The Power of Cyberpunk | Cyberpunk: Edgerunners
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Some thoughts on Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and the cyberpunk genre as a whole.
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► CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
2:24 Part I
11:33 Part II
19:21 Part III
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Some Cyberware is subscription based. In the Corpo storyline, when you have your fall from grace you find your Cybernetics start to literally turn off. Arasaka essentially revoking your license to use them. Something similar happens to Goro, who has a similar fall from grace. Normal cyberware are rented by your average joes like an expensive car would be. The stuff you get from ripperdocs are all illegal jailbroken cyberware running bootleg drivers.
Wow I can’t believe I never knew this.
There's also a throwaway dialogue about how Kiroshi eye implants will turn off once the newer model comes out, the implant still recieves data fine it just cuts of the flow to ur brain.
(Similar thing happened with experimental prosthetic eyes irl when the company manufacturing them shutdown)
@@foxx_vxv6785 Corporations are already at war with our right to own our own hardware and software. They want consumers to be dependent on them for everything. Therefore you really can imagine a dystopic future where if you miss a payment someone can repossess your artificial heart.
There's also another "subscription" based cyberware in the book no_coincidence, where a characters cyberware regularly starts malfunction, so they constantly have to spend money to fix it. Its not really a subscription, but it finctions like one
The stuff you get from Ripperdocs is also usually always Military grade.
David’s sandevistan is not made by Arasaka, it’s made by Militech. Different corporation that was absolutely at war with Arasaka. They even added it into 2077, it’s called Apogee.
It's mentioned ingame at a hidden gig, A guy dies because his Zeta-tech Heart failed to operate/work, and countless emails stated that he needed to come in to get repaired/warranty was close to being over.
The ending of the video hit so hard that I'm actually crying rn, wow, what an amazing production
@@ryanshoults123 okay 👍
@@ryanshoults123 :D
@@ryanshoults123too. Bad so sad is that a refrence to the expanse?
@@ryanshoults123bro didn't understand the show💀
@@ryanshoults123i see, 3rd grader
I've been involved with the TTRPG Cyberpunk since 1990. Didn't hear it mentioned in the video, but Night City is a city that was explicitly made outside any Government control. It is itself a Corporation that takes care of the General infrastructure and regulation of it's citizens in the city. The Mayor's office doesn't answer to any Goverment agency outside it's boarders although it does use the Worlds Currency(Euro Dollar). It sits on the boarder between North(a Free State) and South California(controlled by NUSA). Mike Pondsmith designed it that way so the Corpo's could have a place to do business without Pesky Government oversight and regulations. It's the reason each mega Corp. it has it's own private military in the city.
thanks for the insight , it helps a learn more about the lore . That makes sense though , how EVERYTHING has come incorporated and how you stumble on militarized corpo rats .
Real life example also exist, Tiraspol in Transnistria, it's basically owned by sheriff holding and a lot of shady deals can be done there, though obviously the whole thing is much smaller and hush hush scale compared to night city
This is one of the best video essays I have ever seen! Should be so much more popular
It's honestly so sad that your channel hasn't blown up yet. Your videos have a quality, from the music production to the editing, that is simply unmatched on TH-cam. They may not be the funniest I've ever seen, but your Sound! Euphonium video is probably the most human and relatable video I've seen on this platform. Keep up the good work, you are amazing, I can't wait for the next video.
God dammit!! Another banger!!
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!!
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!!!!!!
17:12 the Sandy David installed is actually the Millitech Apogee so it's not Arasaka tech. it is however a piece or hardware Arasaka was very interested in as its high pre-requisites were a "baseline" (sort of) for individuals with inate capacity for cyberware use. One reference of a special individual is Adam Smasher who completely sacrificed his humanity and accepted his existence as a machine(he's only 3% human btw, and you can see it in the Knpeki BD for the heist mission), others will always struggle with their human self which can't keep up and end up going in cyberpsychosis. Great analysis BTW, cool video.
I think by saying that cyberware is subscription-based, Jaki means that when you install them you tie yourself into buying the immunosuppressants that you have to continue to use to keep from going psycho/developing other issues. So while you do own that part of your body, you're condemning yourself to having to continually pay for more and more medication. Like owning a mobile phone, but having to pay for a data contract.
I love the idea of the cyberware being part of the city. I also love this video! I very much enjoyed the show and your analysis of it. Thank you for making this!
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if he means both, even if it's just theoretical lore that hasn't actually been incorporated yet. Because they do this even now. For insulin for example, you're dependent on paying for extortionate monthly supplies. For some intel CPUs, they lock you out of certain features until you pay a fee. Now you have a product which is both feature rich and causes biological dependency. That is a prime product for invasive monetisation.
This is kinda explored in the new expansion of the game, phantom liberty.
***spoilers***
in a gig, you're tasked with getting intel on a sports academy in dog town. you soon find out the academy illegally implants cyberware to kids for them to gain a competitive edge in sports. They sell contracts for sports teams to have the kids on their team. you find out only a small percentage of kids get those lucrative contracts and the ones that dont, get tossed in the streets with no financial or health support. without that support, they cant afford immunoblockers and such things and soon develop cyberpsychosis or simply perish
@@tristanstebbens1358 To be fair, this wasn't something unique from the Dev who was interviewed. It's literally included in the 2020 Rule book for Cyberpunk. High End Cyberware is costly, and most people can't afford it....but by signing on with a Corpo Military/Security, or signing a contract for an amount of time of service in exchange for those ware installs they can get around this. Adam Smasher, Morgan Blackhand, and Johnny Silverhand all had their start this exact way. Morgan worked for Militech to gain access to high end experimental weapons and tech. Smasher sold his soul to Arasaka and became the full-borg monster we know him as, and even Johnny signed up with a Corpo Military and got his arm thanks to that, as well as several other military grade mods(Subdermal armor, biomon, etc)
@@SimonWoodburyForget Its a bit of both, sometimes employers provide them and can take them away, other times they might be subsidised and then have fees in an even more infernal version of Printers and Ink and then some come with planned obsolesce and constant need for upgrades. Like a heart implant can pack up hours after the warranty expires and the provider will remind you every few days before that happens, there is a huge black market for stolen, harvested and jailbroken corporate implants too.
Then there are the additional medical requirements like medication and adjustment which can be difficult to pay for, often pushing some people into shady service providers.
@@SimonWoodburyForgetto resell it on the black market. The cyber ware you get by the ripperdocs are badically black market jailbroken hardware.
For those who played the game, fate of David was known from the start. In the bar named Afterlife (a major place in story's location) there are few cocktails, but most notable are two - Johnny Silverhand (played by Keanu Reeves), and David Martinez. To get a cocktail with your name in the Afterlife you have to do one thing: Die and be remembered. You are told about it almost the moment you step into the bar.
So David's ultimate fate was known from step one by those who played Cyberpunk on release.
This made Edgerunners even more interesting for me personally - because it was all about journey rather than resolution.
You never disappoint. Keep up the great work.
please never stop uploading this was amazing
this is such a good video, from the beats to the commentary, you nailed it all man. Kudos!
your videos are just... amazing. so much detail and insight in how you talk about the subject. you introduced me to some of my favorite pieces of fiction, like chainsaw man and mob, and your editing never stops being interesting to watch. from the bottom of my heart, thank you for this videos.
These essays have so much quality and sincerity. Thank you
A masterpiece once again Kyle, your commentary, editing, and sound design never fail to impress. Been loving this channel since the start and cant wait for more!
This was great, opened my eyes to so many things I never realized/would have thought of
Oh my God. Thanks so much for this. I wanted confirmation on this>
I figured that no matter what jobs they do in Night City, they are still in Night City and are still a slave to its system. They make their lives more comfortable but they're just covering up the truth of it all whilst living in Nights City.
I personally want a story where sure they do jobs in Night City but they realize that the best way to "fight" the system, is to not play its game at all.
is that not literally the Corpo life path in 2077
Another absolutely beautiful video!
Edgerunners was definitely one of my favorite releases of the year. I've spent a lot of time in the game and it's just one of those worlds that I love to lose myself in, so the anime hits me that much more. You make a really good point about them being less rebels and more like contract workers feeding back into the city and I've never really thought of it that way. It's a really interesting perspective and changes a lot all of these cyberpunk worlds if you look at it through that lens.
Holy Crap!
The amount of times I got chills in this video
Amazing first video of the year.
Really good video Kyle, I'm so happy you talked about edgerunners, because it has been living in my mind rentfree for months now
The cyberware being subscription DOES gets explore in rhe game during sife mission. If you're corpo and you get fired or quit, the corporation can remove the implants that belong to them from your body.
Wow, that was a ride. Your analysis of the series is probably one of the bests out there. You make your points and strongly emphasize them. Congratulations, loved it
Kyle makes a video each so much time, but every video he makes is absolutely outstanding and amazing….. I don’t know how to express the way I feel when I see your videos, but i can say that they some what give me that hope you talk about at the end of this video. I am fully aware that changing Night city may be imposible an imposible task, but at least with that hope (that I’m sure not just me but many others of the viewer feel), we can at least try our best into changing something, even if that something is the smallest of things, or something merely within ourselves, It’s something that adds a little bit of fuel to the path the flame of change needs to reach each of our Night city’s and burn it down to its foundations. It doesn’t matter if that path and flame are simply imagination.
Thanks for the video Kyle and I will be waiting for the next one.
You really never miss. Ever since i've seen your video essay on episode 55 of aot, I've been hooked on your videos.
This was an amazing video. I've watched other analysis videos of edgerunners, and this is probably the best one I've seen. Thanks for making this video.
This is one of the best videos on cyberpunk edgerunners and cyberpunk the genre! Believe I've watched just a few to many videos on edgerunners and there weren't a lot that got so deep into the source of cyberpunk.
So thank you very much Kyle!
to be honest it has to be one of the best and high quality videos ive seen in a longer while
The blade runner reference in the intro was gold. amazing video. i just finished the show tonight and am crying watching ur video
Wow great video essay, I wish you dropped this before I released my episode on Edgerunners. Great breakdown on rebelling against the system, I didn't quite pick up on this underlying optimism in the series as you did. Great stuff👍🏿
This was an amazing deep dive. Thank you for making this.
Wow, that hit right in the feels. Keep up the great work man
Another awesome video Kyle. It's always a joy to see new one pop up. Hope you have a great 2023 brother. Can't wait for the next one!
Absolutely amazing video essay! loved it thoroughly
Your videos are a rollercoaster of emotions so deep and understandable it's amazing and I wish I could describe these feelings the way you do in your videos.
Keep it up.
I love your videos ❤️
This was so good!!! Thanks for the banger Kyle.
This was phenomenal! Well put.
I've watched the show 5 times and spend waaaay to much time with TH-cam videos about it, yet your video was a very different take & really like it, great work!
Awesome video essay, and your voice is one of the most pleasant to listen to out of the (many) essayists I follow!
goddamn this video is amazing. you legit got me emotional at the end. Bravo
Just halfway through and wow you may be the most underrated channel I’ve ever come across
What an incredible video man wow. ALL of your vids are this good and it's crazy.
This videos its just a masterpiece, god, the best cyberpunk edgerunners analysis i ever saw 12/10
What a great video! Love it so much.
i've been binging your videos, absolutely amazing content dude!
i think one of the endings for cyberpunk 2077 is kinda similar to the story of blade runner from roy's perspective, the main character just wants more time to leave and so it turns to the system that created him and his problems in the first place, of course thats just one ending but still i think its interesting
Amazing work as always mr robes.
I go to this vid every month and am amazed ever time
V had Johnny to keep the cyber psychosis at bay and that’s why s/he doesn’t have to take immunosuppressants
I think in a sense Johnny is supposed to be a representation of V's cyberpsychosis which is obviously being caused by the damaged relic literally rewriting your brain. I mean on the scale of dangerous implants it doesn't get higher than that and the condition is directly linked to implants. So the way we interact with him through hallucinations and occasionally being fully submerged in his memories is similar to what other characters like Maine experience. V doesn't go cyberpsycho because in a sense they already are, they've just learned how to live with it like, how Adam Smasher has done.
This was a great breakdown. Thanks for the video
What an interesting take! 👏 Good analysis.
Oh man something about the music and the ending about had me in tears and i dont know why haha well done sir well done
Amazing work!
Its why there is a difference between V and David. David is doing his actions for glory. V is doing it to survive. Night city uses lives for profit. V works as an antithesis to this. Its why i find it interesting that one way of exploring the world is through the product of the anime. And another way to consume it is through playing it. And playing it gives a completely different feel. V doesnt want to die in glory. V instead uses the city for ways to survive. Instead of the cyber augmentation being used by the city to create better workers, v uses it instead to battle the city.
there are mutiple dialogue options or just dialogue at large where V says he wants to be a legend in Night City, for people to remember him. Of course also trying to survive but i dont see him fighting against the city since he’s very much a part of its system of fixers and mercs and corporations, which is why his life is in danger in the first place. I think David and V are more reflections of eachother than polar opposites. The show just did a better job at fleshing david’s character imo, which tbf is probably easier in a show than in a videogame with player agency.
Simply Brilliant!
Trust Kyle to completely change the way I view a series with an absolute banger video. A few times in one video no less. Now i gotta rewatch Blade Runner....again.
Brilliant video!!!
32:32 I was so sure you were gonna say never fade away an iconic song for the videogame... Lol great work Im looking forward to more
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Very well made video loved everything about it greatly 😊
Bro ur really good at this. Keep it up!
Please play cyberpunk, the 2.0 update is awesome!
Absolutely fantastic.
Very interesting to watch, thank you!
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The city is the main villain, and it is impossible to overcome...
Proly the most underrated video on cyberpunk on TH-cam
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Great video!
I always wondered in the game why you could literally attack arasaka tower with a body made of arasaka technology. It was bizarre that the most evil group of people in the game wouldn't think to have a way to shut off the implants of anyone attacking them. But maybe they make a profit when someone goes postal with their tech, and so there's no need.
the thing is they dont care because they have maxtech and at the end adam smasher thath solves this easy
You’ve also gotta remember that not every piece of cyberware is made by Arasaka. There’s tons of other corporations that make cyberware and all of these corporations are fighting/competing with each other. Militech and Arasaka hate each other, of course Militech isn’t going to stop V from attacking Arasaka. I sorta get what you’re saying tho. One of the side quests heavily implies that these corporations do have the ability to control and spy on people’s cyberware. I’m sure this concept will be explored more in later games and media.
Just came across your page and really enjoyed your video. I can be pretty ignorant to overarching themes so your breakdown really makes me feel more at peace with how the show ended.
Great vid !
I get really happy whenever someone mentions mr robot, i really like your vids and it would be really sick if you made one on mr robot
"Might've been predictable"
I wanna know how people predicted the ending.
Yeah I’ve spent 600 hours in the game and know almost everything there is to know about the franchise.. even I didn’t know what to expect or how the anime was going to end. Based off of episode 1 alone, nobody was going to accurately predict the ending.
I think he means "predicted it would end badly" not predicted exactly how it would end.
This is actually amazing. Cyberpunk is just the amalgamation of all of our fears.
Another masterpiece
great video, subscribed
Brilliant work you did here my man!! I’m on the verge of tears! I love this show…and this makes me love it even more! Thank you so much for this!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I really wish these types of superb videos would get more attention for the analysis and the messages being analyzed.
One of the changes I really liked about the 2.0 update was that it effectively made cyberware more essential to survival (essentially as the game scales and on higher difficulties). You can’t just get the best armor to wear and slap some mods on it. To perform at a higher level (more armor, more stealth, more lethality), you need more and better cyberware, which is similar to what the show shows us about Edgerunners. Maine and David kept getting more and more chrome to try and be better.
Not to say you can’t run a V with minimum cyberware and beat the game on the highest level, but at that point it’s a question of skill and taking advantage of the game mechanics.
Banger Music and banger video
how you have so few subs is utterly baffling to me, when i was watchinv this vid while i ate, the quality made me think "this dude's got a few hundered thousand subs for sure"
keep up the brilliant work!!!
The subscription based cyberware is in the game. A couple of cyberpsycho's are that way because they could keep up with the subscriptions
Hey man, I just wanted to say that having recently finished the show and been pretty underwhelmed with the writing, I have been scanning through others thoughts to try and understand what folks are getting out of it aside from it's obvious aesthetic accomplishments.
This is an incredibly well produced and thoughtful look at why you found the show meaningful, and has given some real texture to my thoughts about it - something I found sorely lacking in all the other videos I scanned through.
I still don't think the show succeeded in delivering on the reading you take from it, I think it commits too hard to creating a tragedy which it then awkwardly subverts in the last couple episodes, but thinking about it through the lens you develop here has been a real pleasure.
Also just like, great production quality here, excellently done. Thanks for making this thing.
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I found the show underwhelming as well but really wanted to enjoy it
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A few things you didn't mention 1 cyberpunk was an 80s tabletop game 2 bladerunner is a adaptation of do Androids dream of electric sheep from 1968
adam smasher definitely is a cyberpsycho, he only works for arasaka because they find him more “fun” people to kill, but his whole motivation is killing. he’s a weird exception as in he’s not going on random street massacres but that doesn’t make him sane
although smasher will work for arasaka, it seems as though he doesnt care too much about them, i.e. ignoring V and jackie when yorinobu and saburo speak alone in a room, with both being unarmed except for a knife that saburo, a 150 year old man, has in his waistband, he also was working for yorinobu, a man who at that point in the story was actively destroying arasakas future by selling the prototype relic to militech. i havent played the tabletop so i could be entirely wrong
When the video mentions that Corps want all the power, I remembered a line from the game where Panam is helping V take down the AV with Anders Hellman in it. When V asks Panam about a Power Station, which the AV will fly over, they say “Who owns the Power Station? Gov or Corp?”
Panam responds “What’s the difference?”
That means that Government Power is been given to Corps in NC so what the video says is true about that.
Why you think irl corpos spend/donate billions lobbying for policies?
You never fail to impress Kyle. I begin to know you since your mob psycho video and I have to say your these video essays you make are just on another level. This one makes me wonder if you would be interested in talking about another game based on cyberpunk world setting, Detroit become human, where I think holds interesting debates of what is the self,existence, and the differences between human and androids.
Amazing
nah, knowing Night City and Arasaka, they wouldn't let David go. He's Adam Smasher 2.0 afterall. I mean, not everyday Adam Smasher can get impressed by someone (last one he was impressed by was Morgan Blackhand).
Nah that nigga dead
15:40 There's a phrase in 2077 that commonly occurs.. "the city always wins".
The cyberpunk genre's inherent nihilism is honestly why I'm kinda mad Marvel never capitalized on the cult following of Spider-Man 2099 and try to turn him into a mainstream icon. What happens when you have the nihilistic setting of a cyberpunk dystopia where the corporation controls all, and pair it with Spider-Man, a character with the main gimmick being that he always gets back up, no matter the odds? It would be a very interesting deconstruction of the cyberpunk genre. It's a mix of idea that basically writes itself. Just like how Black Panther represents the fantasy of an African nation untouched by colonialism, or Captain America represents the American values in its purest, untainted form, I feel like Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099, represents the hope for change you mentioned at the end of this video.
William Gibson (Neuromancer) summarized what cyberpunk truly boils down to. High-tech/low-life
There's an often paraphrased quote about science fiction but I don't know the original one or who said it first but it goes something like 'Science Fiction often doesn't really explore the future, it explores the current, our current fears and hopes and then extrapolates those various outcomes and themes...' (but probably put a lot more succinctly, eloquently, and thoughfuly by a much better and smarter writer than me, lol).
Great video essay! Loved edge runners! Been a fan of cyber punk since my teens in the 80's!
My precious...
They should make a non Canon 2nd season and let Lucy and David have a happy ending