Grizzly G0602 / King Canada KC1022ML (what I don't like)
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- I just sold my SIEG C6 and this is my first impressions of my new lathe.
In the video i say that I will talk about the things that I like about the lathe and ... then I just talk about the bad things and what I changed. I wanted to stay within 10 mins.
I will be posting more videos about this lathe in the future.
*As usual, Wen puts out an excellent **MyBest.Tools** well made product at a very reasonable price. Cast iron, portable, table top lathe. Pen turning with ease. An excellent purchase.*
I run real deal machine tools for a living and I own a PM 1236. Theyre basically a casting kit, they need work. There is a reason they are 1/10th the cost. Get a surface plate, learn how to scrape, put some time into it and it'll be plenty accurate for home use. I hold tolerance just as well on my pm as the industrial grade machines I use at work. There is also a learning curve to machining in general. People don't go up to a machine and split thousandths first time out. I;'m a pro and still miss the mark by a thou or so from time to time. I'm sure if you do your part that thing will hold +/- .002 as it sits, better i suspect. You ought to see the worn out machines that are used everyday in industry that make precision parts. The thing that really gets me about this topic a lot of you guys complain when your machine wont split a thou when in reality when that level of accuracy and repeatability are required the parts are often ground. Take the time to improve the machine, learn it's quirks, and have realistic expectations. You gotta piss with the dick you have.
Sounds like Ol'Joel should have bought a Bridgeport
Hey, at least were all working with METAL around here instead of wood, like those woodworking pansies do. I've got a few hundred hours running a lathe as an amateur. I'm not sure what it is I'm supposed to be learning. What I have learned is: clamp things REAL tightly; cut at a speed lower than you think; take smaller cuts rather than large ones; watch the heat of the tool & work; keep everything clean & oiled; don't wear loos clothing; wear eye protection; don't machine at 3:00am in a residential district; cutting oil is your friend; the lathe will kill you if you give it a chance.
I could be wrong but I think the reason they build it cheap is so they can sell it cheap to people who want cheap tools.
I find that I can do anything I need to do with a 7x16 mini lathe with a variable speed brushless DC motor. The only real additions that it needed were an outboard spider, a larger chuck and a QCTP. My gunsmiting limitations are I can only thread and chamber sporter and military barrels, but not bull barrels because of the spindle hole. I chose the one from Micro Mark over the Little Machine Shop one because it came disassembled in two boxes so I could pick it up and put it on my bench without a crane. While the MM lathe says it only will cut a limited number of inch threads, there is free software on Little Machine Shop's website that shows what gear changes are needed for almost any thread. The Russian Mosin Nagant has weird threads on the action threads, but they were easy to make with the MM lathe and the LMS software. Anyone that works on guns needs stockmakers screws, which is why that was my first project. The price of the 7x16, compared to the 10x22 helped me pay for my mini mill, which uses the same quiet brushless DC motor.
When I got interested in pen making, I found that the wood chips went EVERYWHERE, including in the gears of the carriage. My solution was to buy a cheap Harbor Freight 10x18 wood lathe and build a stand/bench on wheels, so I could take it OUTSIDE whenever I used it. The advantage of the HF lathe is that it is the same as one that Grizzly sells, so parts will always be available.
Wow. Sounds like you take your mini lathing pretty seriously. I use mine for odds and ends around the shop and for random parts building. I'm not sure that I would trust myself to build a gun part ... also not sure of the legalities of doing that here in Canada.
It's amazing what you can do with a small lathe and a little creativity.
Thanks for the honest review and covering your mods.
I think its called hand scraping , its manual Grinding
for people do this takes time and skills. I've once saw a Japanese technician do this, it's a good machine
you need to adjust yourself.
I think you are correct. I didn't think that this lathe was high enough to have any hand scraping, but I looked at it again, another time, and I think it was scraped. I have seen a few videos of this and it is incredible !
For all those people bashing on this Model Lathe. It is actually a very good lathe for the money and for those of you who are viewing this as a hobby lathe and as an addition to the home workshop, you can’t beat it. I use mine all the time and keep finding new things to make. In short, if you are an amateur, it will serve you well for many years of your learning. If you outgrow it (many years down the road) buy a new one then. I have not regretted the purchase of this model for a second. Thanks for letting me have a moment of your time.
I totally agree. Lots of people seem to think that I'm bashing this lathe or saying that it sucks.... all that I was trying to do was point out its shortcomings. So many people make videos and are so excited that they just got a new lathe, they just say all the things they read on the website or on the box. I get it, but I just wanted to make a video about some shortcomings of things I didn't like...
I've had this for many years now (video published 2015) and I would 100% recommend it, as you have stated in your comment.
@@JoelArseneaultTH-cam Thank you clearing that up. Maybe it was just the perspective I came to the video with. I did take some little gold nuggets from you. There is precious little concerning this model of lathe so it was wonderful that you contributed. AAA+++
dude at 2:20 when you're complaining about the lack of machining under the carriage. its hand scraped for accuracy are you sure thats not what you're looking at
Your mill is probably scraped. This was probably flaked.
If there is a flat spot in my garage I put junk on it...sounds like you are a pro at wining and complaining..get over it and build a machine yourself....see how long you can survive. ..remember you get what you pay for, gold is not cheap
Bonjour Joel,
I assume you're near Montreal for purchasing this lathe. Did you purchase your unit directly from King Canada or actually dealt with reseller. I was looking to purchase a mini lathe and have seen KC's headquarter located in Dorval.
I have also seen the CX704 from busybee tools, however, they come from Toronto and I don't trust the shipping and handling.
I like how you stated the cons. good to hear the truth.
im a huge fan already
I would hate to not have that adjuster it looks like it would take longer to move the belt the way yours setup. How do you change your belt speeds? It looks like the only way your setup can be done is by stretching the belt. The adjuster protects the belt from over stretching. I'm not saying it is the best setup but I have gotten used to it. Though I wish changing the speeds was a lot more convenient.
The belt adjuster had a purpose. Regardless of ratio, the belt tension would be set by the adjuster, and releasing the adjuster allowed for the ratios to be easily adjusted. I'm not sure I'd want that "improvement".
Is your lathe a hobby or do you make money from it are you a machinist?
On my G0602 I change the motor to a 3 phase and use a VFD
Hi Joel, I'm looking to buy a KC-1022ML, this will be my first lathe, is it a good choice. I have a farm and many small projects for the lathe. If not what do you think will be a good one.
Thanks for tuhe infos
What's the spindle nose type on those? Or, which type of backplate do you need to mount a chuck on those?
Thanks!!
Your not a machinist your just an amateur. Its not chiseled its called scraping, expensive lathe has the same surface it has been scraped its done manually. Why did you buy that cheap lathe dont keep on complaining... Its not on the lathe its the man that operates it.
joel arseneault ah ok.... I mean no harm...
Why would you buy this junk anyway…
Well, I bought it because it was used by students to make one university project, and I got it for half retail. This video is 8 years old and while I don't like many things about the lathe, I would buy it again if I only had a few grand to spend.
It is a nice "home gamer" lathe....You can use it to upgrade itself into a much higher quality lathe if you have skill.
Cry baby
Man that belt looked too tight when you were pressing on it. IMO.
Yes, it's a little on the tight side for sure. I would like to have something that was a tiny bit longer, but I've been running it this way for over 5 years now and haven't had to replace the belt. It doesn't get daily use... so if I used it all the time maybe that would kill it.
I also own the G0602. I have found that the painted crossfeed indicator does not matter because the feed screw and dial do not give an accurate measurement anyway. I added DROs to all my feeds. Also, just try to do a cutoff on even 1" mild steel rounds. Horrible vibrations ensue do to the bad original machining of the cross slide and the very poor mounting of the top slide. I didn't know about the hole into the gearbox! Thanks.
Sounds like you also need to adjust the rack up a little or shim the apron due to the carriage feed rack and pinion thumping as you feed in and out.
When you crank the carriage feed handle, it makes a sound that indicates the pinion gear it too tight against the rack that is mounted along the front of the lathe bed.
Drag of any kind on single screw systems wears that much harder on the half nut. Plus as you stated, it will place inconsistent pressure on the saddle gibs that may be an additional source for error.
My grizzly G0602 has dial number on the carriage hand wheel not sure why yours don't maybe it was an earlier model.
I think you are looking at the glass half empty. The lathe cost $1400 dollars less issues arise when the price goes up.
Stop complaining you bought a cheap lathe
Not complaining. Informing others of what they should / can expect from this lateh.
Also - stop complaining - you watched a video clearly titled "Grizzly G0602 / King Canada KC1022ML (what I don't like)" 🤓
Sorry you didn’t like my comment all i heard was someone complaining i bought a busy bee lathe had a bunch of problems ,but i worked through them. i have my main lathe and it is a 1917 manual engine lathe and yes it has problems. All i seenwas someone trying to cover up their complaint by saying they are doing a review. Again sorry you didn’t like my comment.
@@terrywerbiski1628 My comment was meant to be funny. I was just pointing out that you are complaining about something that was clearly labeled... Like eating a chocolate bar and then saying " I F'n HATE CHOCOLATE"
I love this lathe and I'm rally glad I bought it... I have no regrets whatsoever. This video is 6-7 years old and I love having a lathe in my shop.
At the time that I made this video, I had just got rid of my first lathe and purchased this one thinking it was a substantial upgrade. I saw lots of people making videos and just puking up the same information that you read on the side of the box... not at all helpful to anyone thinking about purchasing one of these.... People can watch this video and decide if they still want to buy it ...
After all this time, knowing what I know about the lathe, I would still purchase it... but all the stuff that I "complained" about is still just as true and it would have been nice to know these things before I purchased it.
@@JoelArseneaultTH-cam lol i hope the king canada ones are good i just bought a kc 1440ml-2.
@@terrywerbiski1628 NICE. That looks like a beast. It has a lot of stuff that I wish I had, but I don't have the space or money for it, haha. WIth the little lathe and mill that I have, I'm always trying to figure out now to better organize so I have room to move around.
If you already had a lathe you should of known better. You could of bought a good quality used lathe that needed work.
Does this machine have nylon or metal gears?
Metal
plastic fucking gears...
From what I understand, these are plastic on purpose. They serve as a point of failure in the event of a crash.
Thank you. I will not be buying a King! Big aThanks
For the money, they are reasonable. If you are willing to spend a little more you can get a lot better machine.
Great video, would you be able to tell me what belts you upgraded to. Thanks