I’m glad someone has remembered the J-8PP. In early November Deka said development is going as planned, a few systems have been completed, but it’ll be a few months before we hear anything again
A1 Skyraider will be awesome. It’s a really cool aircraft that is not well known. What would be the best is if it has ground support with “Sandy” missions in Vietnam. They did some amazing work their and were shot down regularly
Kfir dev team is based in Israel. They've said that their team members are mostly on reserve duty, so work on the module is minimal for now :( but it's still happening.
I consider those three vaporware for the time being. Especially the F-8J and SU-17. The BO-105 I have no idea. It might just appear one day but who knows.
@@LockDCSas much as I want the SU17 I agree with you. We had that one video and just silence afterwards. Seems to be on the back burner with other projects in front of it
Well, when you talked about the top end map, they acutally posted dome time ago on their discord I think, some new updates on the map including the E8 Joint Stars plane
I for one am disapointed by "2024 and Beyound" this year. I am going to quote Enigma (another youtuber that runs the cold war server) from a year ago, "we get a lot of new clickable buttons, but not much to achieve with them". We will end-up loosing influx of new players soon as EDs is hyperfocused on milking a nicher market of 40+year olds, while multiplayer scene stagnages, HW requirements are outgrowing graphics-to-requirements ratio rapidly (and is outright stupid in VR), dynamic campaign is now "in progress" for 13 years for christ's sake and MIG29A ... A.... is not a proper RED full fidelity plane. If ED wasn't in a monopoly position I would be hoping they would be already doing at least full engine change like ArmA was forced to do facing competition. My point is that as a flight sim guy since the 90s, we are loosing a generation of players to toxic arcades like WarThunder because ED is focusing too much on power fantasy of a few dudes that cannot get over the fact they are playing a game and have to overcompensate with this "study sim" self-lie.
Good points. I do feel like the single player content is lacking for most aircraft with ready made missions. Multiplayer though has a lot of different servers so I don't see that point, though some MP servers are stagnant. Really if you learn the mission editor the game really opens up. But we really, REALLY need way more editor tools that are useful and a full scripting documentation. But I have to ask why isn't a MiG-29A FF NOT proper Red Air? It's impossible to get documents on any newer Russian Aircraft.
@@LockDCS Ok three points back A) I spent 2 years on DCS with editor back in 2017-18 and esentially left since it is meant for single player missions by design and most of the big MP servers are navigating minefields in scripting to be playable. I remember when Blueflag was with fanfares announcing the server reboot will no longer be every 2 hours but every 5 hours. I remember how any larger MP sessions would crash after 20-40min if you had AI ground forces moving, and still can turn DCS into slideshow today. B) Multiplayer is still essentially a never ending team deathmatch as mentioned above if you try to do combined arms with moving ground targets it is road to hell to even try. Custom user inputs are limited to "F10 menu" (compare that to ArmA giving you whole GUI editor) and balance was sacrificed for some illusion of "realism" which is a fools proposition as we lost in 2017 a very old balance of RED having longer reach fox1s vs BLUE having slightly short reach fox3s. Then ED needed to support Hornet/Viper release so they "re-analyzed" amrams and suddenly we have to do nonsense like adding PL12s on RED planes so that both teams can just spam fox3s forever and ever. Already back then I asked on forums so simply give us "gamified" variants of missles with different names. E.g. give me "AIM120c_game" variant that would be game balanced for multiplayer matches against "R27ER_game" as official missle in game, just with different stats so that I can as mission editor put those into game and still have clients pass game integrity checks ... bu nooo ... ivory tower C) MIG29 is just MIG21 with usefull radar and, one display HUD repeater and primitiv HMD. If you put it against F4E it will wipe the floor with it, if you put F16 against if (even if you hack F16 to give it AIM7 fox1s) the F16 will wipe the floor with MIG29A. The point why ED is not making a proper RED plane is that, despite ED trying to hide it in last 2 years" they have a good bunch of staff still in Russia. Subject to stupid laws that #1 cannot publish anything that represents any equipemtn still in service, which in russia means today even T-62 tanks and #2 you cannot "shame" russian military forces, meaning if you publish anything that wouldn't performen just as your countries government claims (e.g. su35 will kill whole map of BLUE planes), some prosecutor can come knocking on your door. ED has the materials and manuals for much, mostly thanks to export market. Look at how KA50-III was delayed as they had to consult with Russian layers first and that is tech not in service. Nick CEO and official ED headquatores is a shell company. So I still fly DCS from time to time, but honestly if there was a competition, I believe ED would do things differently. Remember mate just for perspective, Falcon 4.0 dynamic campaign praised till this day was done by an intern on pentium 1 systems in 1998, still beats all DCS MP scenarios in scale and complexity. What ED is doing is outright a joke.
@@LockDCS oh, one more point since I am in my early meltdown on state of DCS that frustrates me. D) At this point I cannot even get all my friends to play together because they each own a different combination of 70+ USD maps. So go figure most of the interesting missions are caucassus and marianas over and over. And god forbit someone asks for steam workshop (or whatever DCS specific alternative) so make community content easy to install and rate by community feedback.
This millisecond the tornado releases, im immediately going to have a 2 man crew learning the aircraft and doing low level bombing, combine it with the kola map and its gonna be bloody epic!
Vitnamese only had a few MiG21s so they tried to spare them as much as they could, use them when necessary in "safer" engagements. 17 was used a lot until 1972 because they had quite a few of them, as Duke Cunningham said "its impossible they have this many, not this many MiG17s were made!"
I look forward to trying them when they come. In a time when most gaming companies are putting out crap all the time in the rush to make a buck and milk user with MTs, Eagle Dynamics is putting out outstanding high-quality very sophisticated aircraft I find compelling , challenging, and rewarding.
If that's true I'm really disappointed. I love the Skyraider and they did post an update mid last year too. Hopefully ED might do it because of it's WWII roots.
Lat word on the Eurofighter as getting pushed back, I think the team ran into problems and we might find it on hold right now and they might push the A-6 in front if they can't get around their issues.
WOOOOOOOT! Okay, woot for me. I LOVE the A-6E so this is awesome news for me as with the addition of the A-7E we should have a nice diversity of aircraft on carrier decks. While it does legitimately suck for Typhoon fans. The other problem is that in a traditional Red vs Blue fight nothing right now can come close to the Eurofighter. Hopefully in a few years something will be worked on as a counter.
Eurofighter is a different team. They are partnering with heatblur, it’s shouldn’t effect the core team too much. Still, no a-6 for atleast a year probably 2026 summer or later
The F-100D Super Saber, A-1H Skyraider, Fiat G-91, and MiG-17, are all aircraft that are fairly simple single seaters that are being worked on and we even now have aircraft like the F-5E Tiger II and Mirage F1 that are super simple.
The F-4E will be great, but we already have the F-5E don't we? It's been said by the guys from HB that the development will go towards the EF after the Phantom drops, the A-6 will be coming later.
imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/8/1/1128183.jpg?v=v40 imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/5/9/0786953.jpg?v=v40 Completely different planes
My grandkids are going to have one hell of a DCS game.
It Feels like that some days.
I’m glad someone has remembered the J-8PP. In early November Deka said development is going as planned, a few systems have been completed, but it’ll be a few months before we hear anything again
Great video, this helps keep track of all the DCS projects going on right now. We are going on 2 years for the A-6 intruder.
A6 is going to be AI model only on the initial release, then it will be full fidelity, so probably 2-3 years more sadly.
From what I heard, they still aren't sure if they have the documentation for the SWIP version so waiting wouldn't be all that bad.
Only planes so far I am excited for are the C-130,A-29,PC-9, Typhoon and maybe the tornado
yeah but the f100d is gonna be mad too
A1 Skyraider will be awesome. It’s a really cool aircraft that is not well known. What would be the best is if it has ground support with “Sandy” missions in Vietnam.
They did some amazing work their and were shot down regularly
Oof that is a cringe af list
Kfir dev team is based in Israel. They've said that their team members are mostly on reserve duty, so work on the module is minimal for now :( but it's still happening.
I'm just glad to hear they are okay.
@@LockDCS Same, I just hope they get back to their homes and families safe.
Excellent job on the video. Good stuff!!! Hopefully the Sky Raider shows up early. That will be a fun plane to fly
Same. We need more carrier aircraft.
Great video - thanks for the updates but you missed out the F-8 Crusader, possible SU-17/22, and BO-105?
I consider those three vaporware for the time being. Especially the F-8J and SU-17. The BO-105 I have no idea. It might just appear one day but who knows.
@@LockDCSas much as I want the SU17 I agree with you. We had that one video and just silence afterwards. Seems to be on the back burner with other projects in front of it
Well, when you talked about the top end map, they acutally posted dome time ago on their discord I think, some new updates on the map including the E8 Joint Stars plane
Wait. They have a discord? I guess they don't post outside the discord at all then.
They posted an E-8? I thought it was an E-7 Wedgetail
Most of these devs have discords - they are generally more active there. Even AvIron posted about their current situation (they're okay) on theirs.
Tornado was in the video. The nose is visible at 2:23.
As I have zero idea what the Tornado looks like from the nose, that's an insane stealth drop of it if it is true.
@@LockDCS From my best abilities thats the only aircraft that has that type of nose. Plus some insider info doesnt hurt ;)
the avia storm guys said tornado will not show up in the 2023 and beyond cause the wanna focus on development and not some funny little vid
Wouldn't you be seeing the windshield frame if it was a Tornado?
Okay, now I'm interested. Any rough idea for a release? I feel like 2025 at best.
I for one am disapointed by "2024 and Beyound" this year. I am going to quote Enigma (another youtuber that runs the cold war server) from a year ago, "we get a lot of new clickable buttons, but not much to achieve with them". We will end-up loosing influx of new players soon as EDs is hyperfocused on milking a nicher market of 40+year olds, while multiplayer scene stagnages, HW requirements are outgrowing graphics-to-requirements ratio rapidly (and is outright stupid in VR), dynamic campaign is now "in progress" for 13 years for christ's sake and MIG29A ... A.... is not a proper RED full fidelity plane.
If ED wasn't in a monopoly position I would be hoping they would be already doing at least full engine change like ArmA was forced to do facing competition. My point is that as a flight sim guy since the 90s, we are loosing a generation of players to toxic arcades like WarThunder because ED is focusing too much on power fantasy of a few dudes that cannot get over the fact they are playing a game and have to overcompensate with this "study sim" self-lie.
Good points. I do feel like the single player content is lacking for most aircraft with ready made missions. Multiplayer though has a lot of different servers so I don't see that point, though some MP servers are stagnant. Really if you learn the mission editor the game really opens up. But we really, REALLY need way more editor tools that are useful and a full scripting documentation.
But I have to ask why isn't a MiG-29A FF NOT proper Red Air? It's impossible to get documents on any newer Russian Aircraft.
@@LockDCS Ok three points back
A) I spent 2 years on DCS with editor back in 2017-18 and esentially left since it is meant for single player missions by design and most of the big MP servers are navigating minefields in scripting to be playable. I remember when Blueflag was with fanfares announcing the server reboot will no longer be every 2 hours but every 5 hours. I remember how any larger MP sessions would crash after 20-40min if you had AI ground forces moving, and still can turn DCS into slideshow today.
B) Multiplayer is still essentially a never ending team deathmatch as mentioned above if you try to do combined arms with moving ground targets it is road to hell to even try. Custom user inputs are limited to "F10 menu" (compare that to ArmA giving you whole GUI editor) and balance was sacrificed for some illusion of "realism" which is a fools proposition as we lost in 2017 a very old balance of RED having longer reach fox1s vs BLUE having slightly short reach fox3s. Then ED needed to support Hornet/Viper release so they "re-analyzed" amrams and suddenly we have to do nonsense like adding PL12s on RED planes so that both teams can just spam fox3s forever and ever. Already back then I asked on forums so simply give us "gamified" variants of missles with different names. E.g. give me "AIM120c_game" variant that would be game balanced for multiplayer matches against "R27ER_game" as official missle in game, just with different stats so that I can as mission editor put those into game and still have clients pass game integrity checks ... bu nooo ... ivory tower
C) MIG29 is just MIG21 with usefull radar and, one display HUD repeater and primitiv HMD. If you put it against F4E it will wipe the floor with it, if you put F16 against if (even if you hack F16 to give it AIM7 fox1s) the F16 will wipe the floor with MIG29A. The point why ED is not making a proper RED plane is that, despite ED trying to hide it in last 2 years" they have a good bunch of staff still in Russia. Subject to stupid laws that #1 cannot publish anything that represents any equipemtn still in service, which in russia means today even T-62 tanks and #2 you cannot "shame" russian military forces, meaning if you publish anything that wouldn't performen just as your countries government claims (e.g. su35 will kill whole map of BLUE planes), some prosecutor can come knocking on your door. ED has the materials and manuals for much, mostly thanks to export market. Look at how KA50-III was delayed as they had to consult with Russian layers first and that is tech not in service. Nick CEO and official ED headquatores is a shell company.
So I still fly DCS from time to time, but honestly if there was a competition, I believe ED would do things differently. Remember mate just for perspective, Falcon 4.0 dynamic campaign praised till this day was done by an intern on pentium 1 systems in 1998, still beats all DCS MP scenarios in scale and complexity. What ED is doing is outright a joke.
@@LockDCS oh, one more point since I am in my early meltdown on state of DCS that frustrates me. D) At this point I cannot even get all my friends to play together because they each own a different combination of 70+ USD maps. So go figure most of the interesting missions are caucassus and marianas over and over. And god forbit someone asks for steam workshop (or whatever DCS specific alternative) so make community content easy to install and rate by community feedback.
Was the mig-23 in 2024 Beyond?
Yeap! I pointed it out in my 2024 and Beyond Breakdown video. It's towards the end of the trailer.
@LockDCS Thanks!
I missed it somehow originally.
Cool video thanks for that. I kinda the A-7 and its cousin the F-8 in your vid. They are in production too.
The F-8J at this point might as well be abandoned so little news on it has dropped. Hopefully after the F4U drops we will get more F-8 news.
This millisecond the tornado releases, im immediately going to have a 2 man crew learning the aircraft and doing low level bombing, combine it with the kola map and its gonna be bloody epic!
Vitnamese only had a few MiG21s so they tried to spare them as much as they could, use them when necessary in "safer" engagements. 17 was used a lot until 1972 because they had quite a few of them, as Duke Cunningham said "its impossible they have this many, not this many MiG17s were made!"
I look forward to trying them when they come. In a time when most gaming companies are putting out crap all the time in the rush to make a buck and milk user with MTs, Eagle Dynamics is putting out outstanding high-quality very sophisticated aircraft I find compelling , challenging, and rewarding.
I hear that the Skyraider is nigh on dead. Cubanace appears to have been fired along with various other staffing problems
If that's true I'm really disappointed. I love the Skyraider and they did post an update mid last year too. Hopefully ED might do it because of it's WWII roots.
was hoping to see the Bo-105
Cant wait for the Mig-23/29 vs F-4/14A + Mirages cold war servers
Cant wait for my great grandkids to meet me in the afterlife an tell me how great DCS is
I’d love to see a mirage 3 module someday!
Dang I was hoping to see the A-7 Corsair II !!
The A-7E was in the 2024 and beyond video.
Aren't they adding an F-8J ?
Yes but Magnitude 3 has said almost nothing about it for years.
@@LockDCS yeah I look it up an hour ago and it's been 2 years 🤣 Bruuuuuuh
@@LockDCSad least were getting the skyraider and f100, But could we see and f111, I hope?
The Australia guys were Check Six simulations I think
The one I want most is the F-106. I wonder if they'll ever happen.
I would be excited for MiG-17 and maybe F-104😊
oh wow! I can hardly wait! Oh goody goody goody!!! i am so excited! Ooooooooh
F4U and A-7 are the planes i need.
Same!
@@LockDCS Great minds... 😀
I thought Razbam was working on the A-29
No news on it since a long time ago.
I hope we get the mig-17 this year but apparently the avionics are still very early wip sadly
Lat word on the Eurofighter as getting pushed back, I think the team ran into problems and we might find it on hold right now and they might push the A-6 in front if they can't get around their issues.
WOOOOOOOT! Okay, woot for me. I LOVE the A-6E so this is awesome news for me as with the addition of the A-7E we should have a nice diversity of aircraft on carrier decks.
While it does legitimately suck for Typhoon fans. The other problem is that in a traditional Red vs Blue fight nothing right now can come close to the Eurofighter. Hopefully in a few years something will be worked on as a counter.
Source?
@@0xAnomaly I believe it was from Nick Grey in a recent interview.
@@rwhunt99 if you mean the one from 3 weeks ago, then he only said it slowed down but it will definetly happen.
Eurofighter is a different team. They are partnering with heatblur, it’s shouldn’t effect the core team too much. Still, no a-6 for atleast a year probably 2026 summer or later
Man, if the Kfir would showed up, i would absolutely spend any of my money on it.
Sadly I wont be able to play the eurofighter typhoon since im going to be in college by then. But i will be studying to fly fighters one day!
Well, most modules aren't fully complete on release anyways. Nothing is also stopping you from putting on the home PC while you finish classes.
There's more chance you'll have graduated and got married and have kids before we see the Eurofighter ! Hahahahahaha
I'm looking forward to the F-5E Phantom
I have F-5E Tiger II on the mind alot with my tutorial serries on it.
I hope they give us the toilet bomb for the A-1 as an easter egg
Really want the Eurofighter early 2025
Not going to lie, I want the Eurofighter out early so they can get to the A-6E.
I think they all should be working for government. That would at least explain why they don’t care about making money.
I’d love to get a t28 trojan.
I want a Thunderchief
I think the documentation for it was lost or at the least not quite enough to build a full fidelity module.
ughhhh I want the tornado alreadyyyy
I feel the exact same way about the Intruder.
Too much time has been spent on Dual Cockpits w/ Over Complex driven systems within system . DCS isnt FUN Anymore [ SU25 ] is still the Best Fun !
The F-100D Super Saber, A-1H Skyraider, Fiat G-91, and MiG-17, are all aircraft that are fairly simple single seaters that are being worked on and we even now have aircraft like the F-5E Tiger II and Mirage F1 that are super simple.
A-7, MIG23 or dual cockpit B-57 canberra is what im waiting on @@LockDCS but for now the Harrier/su25t is my favorite.
The F-4E will be great, but we already have the F-5E don't we? It's been said by the guys from HB that the development will go towards the EF after the Phantom drops, the A-6 will be coming later.
EF is great but we already have MiG-29G, dont we
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Completely different planes
It's all vapoware until it's open beta
Aw, you think the Skyraider is ever coming out. That's sweet.
The devs of the A-1H posted an update only 5 months ago.
Now the F-8J, Su-17, and BO-105? There was a reason I didn't include them.