My friend I hope you are right. The church has already authorized a transgender man to be baptized it has already happened. Biological born man who transitioned to a woman and whose name is on the roles of the church as a female. It has already begun. I hope you can foster a meaningful relationship with the Savior Jesus Christ so that your faith in him is not shattered in the coming years when the church caves to society.
I agree. They might come up with some second-class position to allow gays to still be in good standing (and not be celibate). But I don't see the church marring gays in the temple or anything until it's changed so much is completely unrecognizable from what we know now. Maybe in 100 years.
The only thing I know for sure is that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Just because you’re doing a great job at sharing man-made ideology, doesn’t mean it will happen. Sorry to burst your bubble…
The very fact that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is precisely the reason why there are SO many countless people constantly fighting against God. Man made theology is indeed created, (not ideology), but some actual genuine truth does actually exist out there. You just need to know where to find it -
The government can't take away the tax-exempt status of a religious organization simply because that religious organization doesn't allow certain practices. The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees that right.
I sincerely hope that you can discern the amusement in my voice. I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to you for your contribution. It is my belief that The Church functions as an entity dedicated to implementing changes in its policies, which it may have embraced as doctrines.
No. I don't believe they will change that. It goes against one of the main doctrines of the church: which is that of the Family. Homosexuality is still seen as a perversion of who we were created to be. The attraction is not a sin, probably because Jesus was tempted, and yet remained sinless.
Precisely. There is a reason that God, through the prophets, released "The Family; A Proclamation to the World" decades before this hit mainstream culture.
@@teehee4096 If I’m interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly. “15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” I also seem to remember something in my denomination’s theology about Him also feeling all of our temptations… ah yes: “11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.” Alma 7:11 There might be more in Isaiah, or a reiteration of the same thing. So based on those two scriptures, yes. We as members of the church also believe that the Atonement actually happened in the Garden, and not on the Cross. The Cross was also important for the mission of the Christ, but anyway, during the Atonement, He not only took the punishment for our sins, but he also chose to feel all of our fears, worries, and I believe temptations so that He could succor us the best. So, if He didn’t experience that directly, He most likely did experience it through the Atonement. If that makes sense.
@@teehee4096 If I am interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly: “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15 However I am also remember something else from my denominations own theology… ah yes. “11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.” Alma 7:11 There might even be something similar in Isaiah.
Thank you for naming these women. I read read the book in 1993. I didn't know about the JS polygamy, and thought the book was anti-mormon literature! I would defend him! We were so bamboozled. Good work. ❤
I'm gay and even I know that this will never happen. I'm no longer a member but I still believe quite a bit of the Church's teachings but to remotely think the teachings of eternal marriage will change is ridiculous.
@@Mabeylater293In Leviticus 20:13" If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Not a sin? Don't lie to yourself, you know its wrong. Jews would put these people to death because God determined they were harmful to the collective The desires of a man is supposed to be for the mother of his children. Anything else is a sin.
Is that why the practice of plural marriage...changed? Is that why in 2015, a policy to ban children of LGBTQ couples from being blessed and baptized...CHANGED just 4 years after...back to it's okay to bless and baptize children of LGBTQ couples? In the latter case, it was declared "doctrine", just to be changed 4 years after...did God change his mind on that? Banned on blacks to receiving the Priesthood and Temple blessings...changed?
Nope! That's the one thing the Church will never budge because it would be in direct contradiction to the great plan of Salvation. Additionally; every change that occurred within the Church regarding policies was done because: either the Lord saw it wise to make those changes in order to preserve the Church (as in the abolition of polygamy,) which means at some point it will be re-instated, or because the Lord, in his mercy and wisdom, had decided it should be so, as in the case of extending the Priesthood to all worthy black members of the Church, but on this issue there will be no compromise.
The sad part about some of these comments is that people's relationship and salvation with God is so dependent on an organization/religion that things like this even being hypothesized is a threat to them in some way, shape or form. My relationship with God and belief in Jesus Christ is completely detached from any organized religion that it simply doesn't matter to me what any of them decide on their so-called doctrines of salvation. I read the Bible for me personally because I don't want/need a middle-man or middle-organization rather standing in-between and rearing it's ugly head. Salvation is personal so there is absolutely no reason I need authorization from some other mortal/imperfect human to help decide my salvation. The entire concept is ridiculously asinine. Do any of you really believe that God will base someone's acceptance to Celestial glory based on a ceremony in a building over someone who actually devoted their entire life to being loving to others. Even the idea that they still have to accept the true church at some point just to get in is so ridiculous. It's absolutely petty. Who you become is monumentally more important than making sure you've checked the "covenant path" boxes. Many who check those boxes haven't become loving. Of course those ordinances are to help them to become loving, but that's reliant on conformity. If someone's mission in life is to help innovate a way to cure cancer and never affiliate with the church in this life or the next and don't accept it any point, that's a pretty petty God if you ask me. I utterly refuse to believe in that kind of God. Someone motivated by love to cure cancer or other things is what its all about, not going through some "priesthood authority" to be "allowed" to live with God and your family. That's not a loving God in anyway. "you believed in the catholic christ, sorry no eternal family for you" "Oh your family was baptized and kids later married in the temple but stopped attending church weekly, sorry can't live with them." That's a heartless God.
deeper happiness for sure! I feel a deeper love for humans than I ever did while believing in so many as perceived sinners and judging that others don't have access to the most happy thing "the gospel." It's absolutely liberating.
m.th-cam.com/video/iKVwHaB-XxM/w-d-xo.html This video, by a Latter-day Saint, makes the claim that this change is unlike the race and priesthood or polygamy, and therefore could not occur or it would be destroying to the churchs claims
Yep. We need only look at historical references regarding these topics. Polygamy has been practiced in the scriptures and multiple church leaders have taught the conditions of its practice. Priesthood bans based on genealogy are taught in the scriptures and multiple church authorities have expounded on this. There is no historical reference or church authority who has referenced gay temple If this happens, it would be the same as the church ending the practice of baptism. Something never before taught or practiced
I'm not expecting it. More likely are the disasters and calamities prophesied by prophets past and present, causing people to rethink their values and priorities as they witness horrific disasters, most likely of which they will be sorely afflicted participants. If you're brave enough to test the waters, be prepared for the consequences.
I'd like to reiterate that FEELING same-sex attraction is not a sin, but ACTING on it and dating or marrying someone of one's own sex IS. That's what President Hinckley meant when he said that people would only be punished for their actions.
The problem is the church hasn't clarified for those feeling same sex attraction exactly where the line is drawn. Growing up as a straight member, we were taught not tafter women. Now the gay members are confused, apparently because the church hasn't made this clear that you can't be kissing a guy if you are a guy. Some liberal bishops are even allowing it.
But they still can live a homosexual life, as long as they repent repeatedly. That is the same as a temple married LDS man having an affair with another lady...over and over again. These "temple recommend" holding LDS men are masters in the law of repentance. We are now being taught the importance of repentance. It seems like 30 years ago, we were taught murder, suicide, and denying God was "game over". Now, we are taught that LDS people who engage in "suicide or murder" can be forgiven by God. Think about the temple recommend holding LDS man from an area near Cedar City who murdered his whole family last year...is it "game over" for him? Most LDS people think not. Looks like the "bar has been lowered" since my earlier days as a Latter Day Saint. To me, suicide, murder, denying God, denying the gospel, temple married person cheating on wife (after holy commitments made with the Lord in the holy temple), pedophile church leaders are all worst then two same-gender adult couples living a homosexual life. At the end of the day, most of the world's population (regardless of religion, nationality, sexual orientation, etc) will be "punished", but will make it back to so-call "heaven" (Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial kingdoms)...due to the grace of the Lord and law of repentance.
Yes. Any religious mythology must adapt to society at some point in order to maintain relevance and to avoid conflict with civil rights groups and governmental friction for holding outdated, discriminatory beliefs and translating them into organizational policy. “God’s Law” is the law of the men who currently act as the representatives and curators of LDS mythology, in much the same way that the Pope, Cardinals etc. act as the curators of Catholic mythology. Give it time, churches come around to societal betterment like the acceptance and full social integration of gay people into society. The church’s approach to gays has changed so much even in my short thirty years on the planet. When I was in the young men, open disgust and hatred of gays was still socially acceptable, and so the leaders treated it that way. Nowadays, leaders and members have attempted to incorporate a friendlier, more “compassionate” (at least on the surface) approach to gays overall and members who suffer from “SSA”. In two or three decades’ time, that’s my guess anyway, in order to avoid being labeled a hate group, the church will allow gay members to fully participate in the church as fully realized people who are allowed to be gay AND upstanding members of Mormon society albeit in a monogamous, highly patriarchal structure similar to the current exclusively heterosexual institution of marriage that reigns supreme. Wait until the Millennials begin to take the highest positions in the church hierarchy, then you’ll see the changes start to happen.
if they do not engage in sex before marriage they can hold a calling and take sacrament, FINE. If a gay married couple is having gay sex, it’s a sin married or not, and continuing to do so why would they be worthy to take sacrament or hold callings? Just because they are married does not make it ok to have homosexual sex. It’s still sin in Gods eyes. As God loves all of us, he still wants us to turn to him for help to over come our sins instead , NOT STAY IN IT. WE ARE TO LOVE THE PERSON YET NOT APPROVE THE SIN. Or condone it. If you go to pastor Voddie click on his sermon “LOVE IS LOVE. He nails it.
@@i.est.del2991 He takes a dim view on mocking and scoffing. I hope you find salvation. I said a prayer for you, that's about all I can do. Have a blessed day.
True, but JS and BY used the law of adoption to seal themselves to their bros. I don't think it was a gay thing, but it could be repurposed to accommodate gay sealings.
The Savior will not let that happen in his Holy House. Just because man changes man s laws, it is not Gods laws. Sin is still sin. So, same sex marriage will never Happen ever in this lifetime or in the life to come!!!!
These changes were from scriptures and society and the scriptures don’t support gay marriage. Yes polygamy was commanded in the Bible during the law of Moses.
It still won’t happen, even then. It would be the equivalent of the church changing the doctrine of infant baptism. It would go against centuries of modern church authority quotes, and against established core doctrines taught in scripture
Christians back then had iron clad beliefs and didn’t stomach anything that deviated from the Christian faith like polygamy and put pressure on the Mormons. However, Christian’s in the U.S. is dying and ironically people can have open polygamous lifestyles and society now doesn’t bat an eye. Mormons need to stand firm and society around will indeed change, but they can whether it. Also Mormons are a lot more powerful now than they were back then to resist change. Catholic Church won’t allow gay marriage. If they do people will leave the church.
No, it will not happen...however, they may allow gay marriages or at least receptions in local church buildings. Give it 20-30 years down the road. But Temple marriages...never.
Sorry... but I brought this up with a Gay friend of mine years ago.... at that time I claimed that temple marriage for homosexuals was the goal of the gay community. But one only need read 3 Nephi 16 to know that if the church were 'forced' to allow such marriages.... ALL temples would shut down for live marriages. That would be the rejection of the gospel by the gentiles and lead to the destruction spoken of by early prophets.
I wonder if priesthood for women will ever become a thing. On the one hand, they changed the doctrine for black people so they could now receive it, so perhaps they could do the same for women. On the other hand, I struggle to imagine the leaders being willing to concede any power to women, ever. Gay temple marriages are probably more likely, actually.
They’ll never have a black president! They took until 1978 to receive special revelation that racism was unacceptable. It’s frankly amazing that God’s supposed one true church was almost 20 years behind secular society
Women do have significant leadership roles in the church and without women in those roles, much of the work of salvation would cease to be done. Also, did you know that women officiate in priesthood ordinances in the temple?
God does not change. God's nature does not change. You have to go by God's word and the scriptures. There are several references in the old and new testaments pertaining to homosexual interactions. It's very specific writing. Homosexuality is condemned by God. Not the feelings, but the actions. This is not because God doesn't love everyone equally. It is because it goes against natural law and therefore has consequences. Medically speaking, there are countless reasons why homosexual activity, particularly in males, leads to disease. Many laws exist to protect us, even if we don't like their restrictions. I don't believe that homosexuals choose their feelings. But as free agents, all human beings can choose their actions and lifestyles. The Mormon church seems to be constantly changing their rules. That's just not even logically ideal, much less spiritually. God loves us and we are saved by grace, not by works. But the sexual sins are on a category of their own because God's word says that they are sins against our own bodies and therefore they have more severe consequences. Again, God still loves us, but for every action there is a natural law reaction. As for the Mormon church accepting gay marriage, perhaps, but that would go against its family teachings. In gay relationships, there cannot be natural offspring. However, there is a lot of money in the gay community, and having church faithful gay members would greatly add to the loot....
Brother@ The Chuch has to comply with ALL governmental deceees no matter what the subject matter is. Otherwise, it's illegal and the Church will never put itself in this position and put its members in illegal position. Plus laws vary from one country to the next. Wherever the Chuch is legally in it has to comply with the laws of the country it's in. While Polygamy is wildly debated by non mormons. Remember one thing. It's about selflessness. About the priesthood, it was a political issue so it was outside the Church control. Same sex marriage, you will need to revise the entire Bible first. Cos the Bible is CLEARLY anti-queer in this debate. That's the first filter you need to cross line with before touching the Chuch. You can identify as "queer" in the Chuch but you can't act on it. Remember it's about protecting the family unit as prescribed in scripture. Not about "social emancipation". In other words, about promoting a program for selfish reasons.
@@praestant8 I don't know any Black people who like for us to be called "the blacks" and I'm guessing I know a lot more Black people than you because I am Black.
@@JYDIVISN That law was actually given to the tribes of Israel, and Jesus Himself disobeyed that commandment on the basis of the greater good and to teach the Sadducees a lesson on how to follow the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law.
Won't happen. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. The polygamy argument is a non-starter. God allowed polygamy in the OT. The BOM says it is not preferred, but allowed in extreme circumstances.
Deuteronomy 22:28-39 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Let's not use the Bible as a moral authority hun, it's an evil book
The church never should have compromised on Celestial Marriage then, and they shouldn't compromise now. Looking into the 1886 Revelation, maybe it's time to look for the Priesthood in another lineage of prophets.
Plural marriage: practiced in the scriptures. Priesthood restrictions based on genealogy: practiced in the scriptures. Gay temple marriage: never practiced in the scriptures. You’re giving false hope. Stop it
I think that is some huge wishful thinking. You had some good points, but you got the History of Polygamy wrong. If you really understood what most older males in the church look fondly on the future day when polygamy is re-instated. It is not going to happen. I suggest you just walk away with whatever dignity you have left.
First of all, comparing polygamy and race to being gay is a controversial and unwise comparison. Secondly the Bible is very clear on this issue, unlike polygamy and race. And btw, Joseph Smith was not a polygamist
@Looker I'm not offended at all. I don't mind defending Joseph Smith. He might have engaged in spiritual sealings but they were not earthly marriages. Joseph Smith also sealed himself to other men and sealed children to parents so obviously the context was not "earthly marriage"
@@Freddy78909 The sealing of children to their own parents, came decades later. My GGGGrand Aunt, the last living wife of JS spoke at BYU and said the exact opposite of what you said. Who do you think knows about about what JS said and did in private? Her or you?
The Church literally left the United States of America rather than cave to outside pressure. It will never cave, certainly not for something as petty as tax exemption.
Doctrine, theology, practices, etc. change so much in the LDS church in order to go along with the times that it won’t surprise me at all if it happens.
Sadly, we are on the pathway for it to happen. This will defile the temple and its purpose. Since God is the same yesterday, today and forever it will be unjust for God to condemn this practice in the past and reverse it now.
Yeah, the doctrine of eternal families will broaden to include the modern family in heaven. The sealings that have happened from the churches' beginning are a complete stew. I reckon everyone will be sealed to everyone. it's a joke.
Polygamy and blacks obtaining the Priesthood have absolutely nothing to do with so-called gay marriage. I say so-called because anything involving something other than men and women married is not marriage at all, but a perversion. It amazes me how left-leaning members conflate the issues of priesthood and the doctrine of polygamy with being gay. Polygamy is between men and women - always! And when and how the priesthood is granted is not a matter of whimsy but follows doctrinal necessity. The men under Moses (certainly the prophets had priesthood, but that's another matter) excepting the Levites were all denied the priesthood until the time of the meridian saints.
Lol. Bitsa information. The internet is awesome. Great learning how to decipher false teaching like this channel. Thankfully anyone who has the spirit as their guide would never be fooled by this rubbish.
FWIW, I don't believe Joseph was a polygamist. I know, I know, the church narrative says that he was, but a deeper dive into history would suggest otherwise.
It will NEVER happen.
My friend I hope you are right. The church has already authorized a transgender man to be baptized it has already happened. Biological born man who transitioned to a woman and whose name is on the roles of the church as a female. It has already begun. I hope you can foster a meaningful relationship with the Savior Jesus Christ so that your faith in him is not shattered in the coming years when the church caves to society.
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Cough up your birth control first. Then type your comment again.
@@troycarter349It was most likely just one local bishop who allowed that. So that's not really "the church" IMHO.
I agree. They might come up with some second-class position to allow gays to still be in good standing (and not be celibate). But I don't see the church marring gays in the temple or anything until it's changed so much is completely unrecognizable from what we know now. Maybe in 100 years.
The only thing I know for sure is that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Just because you’re doing a great job at sharing man-made ideology, doesn’t mean it will happen. Sorry to burst your bubble…
Deflection is a coping mechanism.
@@enigmaticvaran6597 "deflecting" for saying the truth?? Interesting...
The very fact that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is precisely the reason why there are SO many countless people constantly fighting against God. Man made theology is indeed created, (not ideology), but some actual genuine truth does actually exist out there. You just need to know where to find it -
@@enigmaticvaran6597
Stupidity instead it's environmental.
No. There will not. It is contrary to the plan of salvation.
So was interracial marriage in Brigham Young's day, and beyond.
The revelation will surely come…after a legal threat of losing tax exemption.
The government can't take away the tax-exempt status of a religious organization simply because that religious organization doesn't allow certain practices. The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees that right.
It happened with blacks not being able to hold the priesthood in 1978
BYU was involved in a battle with tax exempt status
The mormans are already allowing baptism, the ability to hold callings, yes they are well on there way,get those rainbow tie tags ready
It will never happen. Sorry
Wanna bet?
Close your legs and cough up your birth control first then you’ll get my attention
Today’s doctrine is tomorrow’s policy.
I sincerely hope that you can discern the amusement in my voice. I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to you for your contribution. It is my belief that The Church functions as an entity dedicated to implementing changes in its policies, which it may have embraced as doctrines.
Isn't it the other way around? Policy is man's construction, doctrine is the Lord's command.
If the church changes based on societies current standards then maybe society is more powerful than God.
Well, more powerful than Mormonism, right? 🤷🏻🤣♥️
Maybe? I think The Church has always bent to the populist movements. It’s a slower process but certainly it makes the adjustment.
Or better yet, truth love and compassion are more powerful than men claiming to be “god” or “god’s channel”.
Except God warned us that this very thing would happen.
@tinknal6449 where?
No. I don't believe they will change that. It goes against one of the main doctrines of the church: which is that of the Family. Homosexuality is still seen as a perversion of who we were created to be. The attraction is not a sin, probably because Jesus was tempted, and yet remained sinless.
Precisely. There is a reason that God, through the prophets, released "The Family; A Proclamation to the World" decades before this hit mainstream culture.
Are you saying that Jesus was tempted to have gay sex and resisted it?
@@teehee4096 If I’m interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly.
“15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
I also seem to remember something in my denomination’s theology about Him also feeling all of our temptations… ah yes:
“11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.”
Alma 7:11
There might be more in Isaiah, or a reiteration of the same thing.
So based on those two scriptures, yes. We as members of the church also believe that the Atonement actually happened in the Garden, and not on the Cross. The Cross was also important for the mission of the Christ, but anyway, during the Atonement, He not only took the punishment for our sins, but he also chose to feel all of our fears, worries, and I believe temptations so that He could succor us the best. So, if He didn’t experience that directly, He most likely did experience it through the Atonement. If that makes sense.
@@teehee4096 If I am interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly:
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Hebrews 4:15
However I am also remember something else from my denominations own theology… ah yes.
“11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.”
Alma 7:11
There might even be something similar in Isaiah.
Doctrine... based on what? A Book that your church believes was corrupted?
It will NEVER HAPPEN!!!
Joe Smith was a smart feller. Like Mark Twain said:
" It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they were fooled."
Well said!! I couldn’t have put it better!! @JIKOALOL
Thank you for naming these women. I read read the book in 1993. I didn't know about the JS polygamy, and thought the book was anti-mormon literature! I would defend him! We were so bamboozled. Good work. ❤
The Proclamation to the World on the family would have to be entirely disregarded. I don't see it happening.
I'm gay and even I know that this will never happen. I'm no longer a member but I still believe quite a bit of the Church's teachings but to remotely think the teachings of eternal marriage will change is ridiculous.
I think that when it becomes an issue for the church regarding money, property, or accreditation of BYU… changes will be made.
Wishful thinking. The Church does not cave on points of doctrine.
@@merrowwood did you not watch this video?
@@merrowwood doctrine s? Based on what....? A Book you called corrupt?
If they do that it will frustrate the most of the church teachings including the plan of salvation
They'll just have a new revelation from the current living prophet
@@TheHoffy59No, they won't. People change, but doctrine never does.
@@merrowwoodDoctrine has changed multiple times.
It will only frustrate the homophobes and their homophobic lies.
Where is the source?
According to Moroni, god doesn’t change his mind. 😮😅
There is nothing to corroborate that Moroni existed.
Which is why he will change his “prophets”. Homosexuality was NEVER a sin in gods eyes. Men invented that.
@@Mabeylater293In Leviticus 20:13" If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Not a sin? Don't lie to yourself, you know its wrong. Jews would put these people to death because God determined they were harmful to the collective
The desires of a man is supposed to be for the mother of his children. Anything else is a sin.
God (wearing Russel M. Nelson silicone mask, and a dark suit with a tie): "Hohohohoho!"
Is that why the practice of plural marriage...changed? Is that why in 2015, a policy to ban children of LGBTQ couples from being blessed and baptized...CHANGED just 4 years after...back to it's okay to bless and baptize children of LGBTQ couples? In the latter case, it was declared "doctrine", just to be changed 4 years after...did God change his mind on that? Banned on blacks to receiving the Priesthood and Temple blessings...changed?
This never happened
the proclaimtion to the world on the family I think in 1994 or 1995 clearly states this. the answer is a resounding NO.
It will NEVER HAPPEN
Nope! That's the one thing the Church will never budge because it would be in direct contradiction to the great plan of Salvation. Additionally; every change that occurred within the Church regarding policies was done because: either the Lord saw it wise to make those changes in order to preserve the Church (as in the abolition of polygamy,) which means at some point it will be re-instated, or because the Lord, in his mercy and wisdom, had decided it should be so, as in the case of extending the Priesthood to all worthy black members of the Church, but on this issue there will be no compromise.
Not a chance.
It was rumored? I think you had better give us an actual source.
The sad part about some of these comments is that people's relationship and salvation with God is so dependent on an organization/religion that things like this even being hypothesized is a threat to them in some way, shape or form. My relationship with God and belief in Jesus Christ is completely detached from any organized religion that it simply doesn't matter to me what any of them decide on their so-called doctrines of salvation. I read the Bible for me personally because I don't want/need a middle-man or middle-organization rather standing in-between and rearing it's ugly head. Salvation is personal so there is absolutely no reason I need authorization from some other mortal/imperfect human to help decide my salvation. The entire concept is ridiculously asinine. Do any of you really believe that God will base someone's acceptance to Celestial glory based on a ceremony in a building over someone who actually devoted their entire life to being loving to others. Even the idea that they still have to accept the true church at some point just to get in is so ridiculous. It's absolutely petty. Who you become is monumentally more important than making sure you've checked the "covenant path" boxes. Many who check those boxes haven't become loving. Of course those ordinances are to help them to become loving, but that's reliant on conformity. If someone's mission in life is to help innovate a way to cure cancer and never affiliate with the church in this life or the next and don't accept it any point, that's a pretty petty God if you ask me. I utterly refuse to believe in that kind of God. Someone motivated by love to cure cancer or other things is what its all about, not going through some "priesthood authority" to be "allowed" to live with God and your family. That's not a loving God in anyway. "you believed in the catholic christ, sorry no eternal family for you" "Oh your family was baptized and kids later married in the temple but stopped attending church weekly, sorry can't live with them." That's a heartless God.
I just came across this channel and I love it! Keep the videos coming
Money sure does count, doesn't it....🙄😱🤷🏻🤣♥️
Better question, will people be gay in the next life?
At that point it really will only be by choice
@@KylonRic explain
Dont spread speculation. Spread the Truth. This is an untruth
Never
Nope. Never ever.
It is not possible
The current Sith Lord and his next 5 successors would have to die first
I love this!
So which GA are you claiming will go against scripture, doctrine, and modern church authorities over the past 190 years?
I'm not holding my breath. Happiness is possible outside the LDS church.
Okay, go and find your happiness.
Hoping to find that 🦄 someday.
deeper happiness for sure! I feel a deeper love for humans than I ever did while believing in so many as perceived sinners and judging that others don't have access to the most happy thing "the gospel." It's absolutely liberating.
m.th-cam.com/video/iKVwHaB-XxM/w-d-xo.html
This video, by a Latter-day Saint, makes the claim that this change is unlike the race and priesthood or polygamy, and therefore could not occur or it would be destroying to the churchs claims
Yep.
We need only look at historical references regarding these topics. Polygamy has been practiced in the scriptures and multiple church leaders have taught the conditions of its practice.
Priesthood bans based on genealogy are taught in the scriptures and multiple church authorities have expounded on this.
There is no historical reference or church authority who has referenced gay temple
If this happens, it would be the same as the church ending the practice of baptism. Something never before taught or practiced
your title is click bait
I'm not expecting it. More likely are the disasters and calamities prophesied by prophets past and present, causing people to rethink their values and priorities as they witness horrific disasters, most likely of which they will be sorely afflicted participants. If you're brave enough to test the waters, be prepared for the consequences.
I'd like to reiterate that FEELING same-sex attraction is not a sin, but ACTING on it and dating or marrying someone of one's own sex IS. That's what President Hinckley meant when he said that people would only be punished for their actions.
The problem is the church hasn't clarified for those feeling same sex attraction exactly where the line is drawn. Growing up as a straight member, we were taught not tafter women. Now the gay members are confused, apparently because the church hasn't made this clear that you can't be kissing a guy if you are a guy. Some liberal bishops are even allowing it.
But they still can live a homosexual life, as long as they repent repeatedly. That is the same as a temple married LDS man having an affair with another lady...over and over again. These "temple recommend" holding LDS men are masters in the law of repentance. We are now being taught the importance of repentance. It seems like 30 years ago, we were taught murder, suicide, and denying God was "game over". Now, we are taught that LDS people who engage in "suicide or murder" can be forgiven by God. Think about the temple recommend holding LDS man from an area near Cedar City who murdered his whole family last year...is it "game over" for him? Most LDS people think not. Looks like the "bar has been lowered" since my earlier days as a Latter Day Saint. To me, suicide, murder, denying God, denying the gospel, temple married person cheating on wife (after holy commitments made with the Lord in the holy temple), pedophile church leaders are all worst then two same-gender adult couples living a homosexual life. At the end of the day, most of the world's population (regardless of religion, nationality, sexual orientation, etc) will be "punished", but will make it back to so-call "heaven" (Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial kingdoms)...due to the grace of the Lord and law of repentance.
So the loss of potential younger patrons and social change are enough to change "Gods laws"? Gotcha
Yes. Any religious mythology must adapt to society at some point in order to maintain relevance and to avoid conflict with civil rights groups and governmental friction for holding outdated, discriminatory beliefs and translating them into organizational policy. “God’s Law” is the law of the men who currently act as the representatives and curators of LDS mythology, in much the same way that the Pope, Cardinals etc. act as the curators of Catholic mythology. Give it time, churches come around to societal betterment like the acceptance and full social integration of gay people into society. The church’s approach to gays has changed so much even in my short thirty years on the planet. When I was in the young men, open disgust and hatred of gays was still socially acceptable, and so the leaders treated it that way. Nowadays, leaders and members have attempted to incorporate a friendlier, more “compassionate” (at least on the surface) approach to gays overall and members who suffer from “SSA”. In two or three decades’ time, that’s my guess anyway, in order to avoid being labeled a hate group, the church will allow gay members to fully participate in the church as fully realized people who are allowed to be gay AND upstanding members of Mormon society albeit in a monogamous, highly patriarchal structure similar to the current exclusively heterosexual institution of marriage that reigns supreme. Wait until the Millennials begin to take the highest positions in the church hierarchy, then you’ll see the changes start to happen.
@@i.est.del2991 Some day these words will be repeated back to you. You will not enjoy the context.
if they do not engage in sex before marriage they can hold a calling and take sacrament, FINE. If a gay married couple is having gay sex, it’s a sin married or not, and continuing to do so why would they be worthy to take sacrament or hold callings? Just because they are married does not make it ok to have homosexual sex. It’s still sin in Gods eyes. As God loves all of us, he still wants us to turn to him for help to over come our sins instead , NOT STAY IN IT. WE ARE TO LOVE THE PERSON YET NOT APPROVE THE SIN. Or condone it. If you go to pastor Voddie click on his sermon “LOVE IS LOVE. He nails it.
@@tinknal6449 I’m so terrified!! Fire and brimstone!! 😂
@@i.est.del2991 He takes a dim view on mocking and scoffing. I hope you find salvation. I said a prayer for you, that's about all I can do. Have a blessed day.
Will the church accept gay polygamy ?🤨
The law of adoption seems like it could be doctrinally solid way to accommodate gay sealings.
The law of adoption did not grant permission to have sex with those that became your "adopted" children.
That is a pretty big difference.
True, but JS and BY used the law of adoption to seal themselves to their bros. I don't think it was a gay thing, but it could be repurposed to accommodate gay sealings.
The Savior will not let that happen in his Holy House. Just because man changes man s laws, it is not Gods laws. Sin is still sin.
So, same sex marriage will never Happen ever in this lifetime or in the life to come!!!!
Mark my words it will never happened i know some lds members going to lgbtq something like that nonesense since then they never go to church
These changes were from scriptures and society and the scriptures don’t support gay marriage. Yes polygamy was commanded in the Bible during the law of Moses.
Unless it involves jail or tax money, it will never happen.
I would also argue a significant lose of tithing donations from members who disagree with the church's stance could also spark a "revelation".
@defusionx if I was still a believer, that would be an absolut turn-off for me
It still won’t happen, even then. It would be the equivalent of the church changing the doctrine of infant baptism.
It would go against centuries of modern church authority quotes, and against established core doctrines taught in scripture
This will absolutely never happen, because it is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the work of God never varies or changes!
I don’t think you even watched the video.
Christians back then had iron clad beliefs and didn’t stomach anything that deviated from the Christian faith like polygamy and put pressure on the Mormons. However, Christian’s in the U.S. is dying and ironically people can have open polygamous lifestyles and society now doesn’t bat an eye. Mormons need to stand firm and society around will indeed change, but they can whether it. Also Mormons are a lot more powerful now than they were back then to resist change. Catholic Church won’t allow gay marriage. If they do people will leave the church.
No, it will not happen...however, they may allow gay marriages or at least receptions in local church buildings. Give it 20-30 years down the road. But Temple marriages...never.
Sorry... but I brought this up with a Gay friend of mine years ago.... at that time I claimed that temple marriage for homosexuals was the goal of the gay community. But one only need read 3 Nephi 16 to know that if the church were 'forced' to allow such marriages.... ALL temples would shut down for live marriages. That would be the rejection of the gospel by the gentiles and lead to the destruction spoken of by early prophets.
That would be the end for TMBs.
No, no, no
I wonder if priesthood for women will ever become a thing. On the one hand, they changed the doctrine for black people so they could now receive it, so perhaps they could do the same for women. On the other hand, I struggle to imagine the leaders being willing to concede any power to women, ever. Gay temple marriages are probably more likely, actually.
They’ll never have a black president! They took until 1978 to receive special revelation that racism was unacceptable. It’s frankly amazing that God’s supposed one true church was almost 20 years behind secular society
Sexism is so ingrained. 😔
Women do have significant leadership roles in the church and without women in those roles, much of the work of salvation would cease to be done. Also, did you know that women officiate in priesthood ordinances in the temple?
@@briddle1978 So why can't they officiate in priesthood ordinances outside of the temple?
Yeah right
In 2029
What a disturbing past and yet its so important now to be pure and perfect...fancy that!!!..
God does not change. God's nature does not change. You have to go by God's word and the scriptures. There are several references in the old and new testaments pertaining to homosexual interactions. It's very specific writing. Homosexuality is condemned by God. Not the feelings, but the actions. This is not because God doesn't love everyone equally. It is because it goes against natural law and therefore has consequences. Medically speaking, there are countless reasons why homosexual activity, particularly in males, leads to disease. Many laws exist to protect us, even if we don't like their restrictions. I don't believe that homosexuals choose their feelings. But as free agents, all human beings can choose their actions and lifestyles. The Mormon church seems to be constantly changing their rules. That's just not even logically ideal, much less spiritually. God loves us and we are saved by grace, not by works. But the sexual sins are on a category of their own because God's word says that they are sins against our own bodies and therefore they have more severe consequences. Again, God still loves us, but for every action there is a natural law reaction. As for the Mormon church accepting gay marriage, perhaps, but that would go against its family teachings. In gay relationships, there cannot be natural offspring. However, there is a lot of money in the gay community, and having church faithful gay members would greatly add to the loot....
Brother@ The Chuch has to comply with ALL governmental deceees no matter what the subject matter is. Otherwise, it's illegal and the Church will never put itself in this position and put its members in illegal position. Plus laws vary from one country to the next. Wherever the Chuch is legally in it has to comply with the laws of the country it's in.
While Polygamy is wildly debated by non mormons. Remember one thing. It's about selflessness.
About the priesthood, it was a political issue so it was outside the Church control.
Same sex marriage, you will need to revise the entire Bible first. Cos the Bible is CLEARLY anti-queer in this debate. That's the first filter you need to cross line with before touching the Chuch.
You can identify as "queer" in the Chuch but you can't act on it. Remember it's about protecting the family unit as prescribed in scripture. Not about "social emancipation". In other words, about promoting a program for selfish reasons.
*When y'all say "blacks" it reminds me of why I left the church.*
I don't know any such person who prefers differently.
how about black people instead of blacks??? @@praestant8
@@praestant8 I don't know any Black people who like for us to be called "the blacks" and I'm guessing I know a lot more Black people than you because I am Black.
Everyone has a price. They got you on the cheap.
Nope
Jesus is clear about marriage. A man should cleave to his wife.
I love what Gwendolyn Wyne says about polygamy and recommend her paper and videos.
God said same sex relations are unnatural and an abomination. Truth is eternal, God is perfect and does not change! Romans chapter 1.
God also said to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy or punishment is death. Yet you’re posting on the sabbath.
Amen, brother!
@@JYDIVISN And Sabbath is Saturday, so people not resting on Saturday (!) break God's commandments.
@@JYDIVISN That law was actually given to the tribes of Israel, and Jesus Himself disobeyed that commandment on the basis of the greater good and to teach the Sadducees a lesson on how to follow the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law.
Won't happen.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
The polygamy argument is a non-starter. God allowed polygamy in the OT. The BOM says it is not preferred, but allowed in extreme circumstances.
Deuteronomy 22:28-39
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Let's not use the Bible as a moral authority hun, it's an evil book
The church never should have compromised on Celestial Marriage then, and they shouldn't compromise now. Looking into the 1886 Revelation, maybe it's time to look for the Priesthood in another lineage of prophets.
Plural marriage: practiced in the scriptures.
Priesthood restrictions based on genealogy: practiced in the scriptures.
Gay temple marriage: never practiced in the scriptures.
You’re giving false hope. Stop it
Nope. Wont happenen. This is false.
Didn't the Lord finally allow for the Old Testament Hebrews to have a King according to their wishes and wasn't that Saul?
No No No
The church of the latter-gay saints.
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
I think that is some huge wishful thinking.
You had some good points, but you got the History of Polygamy wrong.
If you really understood what most older males in the church look fondly on the future day when polygamy is re-instated.
It is not going to happen.
I suggest you just walk away with whatever dignity you have left.
First of all, comparing polygamy and race to being gay is a controversial and unwise comparison. Secondly the Bible is very clear on this issue, unlike polygamy and race. And btw, Joseph Smith was not a polygamist
No offense, but you lose all credibility when you claim Joseph was not a polygamist.
@Looker I'm not offended at all. I don't mind defending Joseph Smith. He might have engaged in spiritual sealings but they were not earthly marriages. Joseph Smith also sealed himself to other men and sealed children to parents so obviously the context was not "earthly marriage"
@@Freddy78909 The sealing of children to their own parents, came decades later.
My GGGGrand Aunt, the last living wife of JS spoke at BYU and said the exact opposite of what you said. Who do you think knows about about what JS said and did in private?
Her or you?
@@plporter I don't believe you. Post a link to evidence.
@@Freddy78909 do you really want to know, or do you just want to confirm the conclusion you jump to?
www.ldshistory.us/pc/merlsy.htm
It will come down to tax exempt status, forced upon it, the Church will cave.
The Church literally left the United States of America rather than cave to outside pressure. It will never cave, certainly not for something as petty as tax exemption.
Doctrine, theology, practices, etc. change so much in the LDS church in order to go along with the times that it won’t surprise me at all if it happens.
bull.
This is bogus!
Yes it is very likely at some point
True what about... Breaking the law of chastity
Based on the corporate bottom line
Sadly, we are on the pathway for it to happen. This will defile the temple and its purpose. Since God is the same yesterday, today and forever it will be unjust for God to condemn this practice in the past and reverse it now.
Yeah, the doctrine of eternal families will broaden to include the modern family in heaven. The sealings that have happened from the churches' beginning are a complete stew. I reckon everyone will be sealed to everyone. it's a joke.
I hope not
why
Contents nowadays leads you to confusion. It is important to research your own.
Joseph was not a polygamist. This was
Bring them your and united.
Joseph was a polygamist
HEavenly father is NOT a "respecter of persons."
Polygamy and blacks obtaining the Priesthood have absolutely nothing to do with so-called gay marriage. I say so-called because anything involving something other than men and women married is not marriage at all, but a perversion. It amazes me how left-leaning members conflate the issues of priesthood and the doctrine of polygamy with being gay. Polygamy is between men and women - always! And when and how the priesthood is granted is not a matter of whimsy but follows doctrinal necessity. The men under Moses (certainly the prophets had priesthood, but that's another matter) excepting the Levites were all denied the priesthood until the time of the meridian saints.
It always comes down to money doesn't it?
good luck with that.
It will happen. Wait for it
Dream on. Living a lie doesn't validate it.
Lol. Bitsa information. The internet is awesome. Great learning how to decipher false teaching like this channel. Thankfully anyone who has the spirit as their guide would never be fooled by this rubbish.
It will never happen. And I would be really surprise if it does. But if the Lord wants it, then I'm for it all the way.
You need to get out of Mormonism, asap!
Lord does not want that. GOD destroyed SODOM AND GOMORRAH . IF THE CHURCH ALLOWS THIS I WILL KNOW IT’s false church
Churches make horrible decisions all the time and it directly conflicts with God's will.
That was said about the priesthood ban too.
And polygamy. And the physical gathering of saints in Zion.@@praestant8
This will NEVER happen ! STOP deceiving people !
FWIW, I don't believe Joseph was a polygamist. I know, I know, the church narrative says that he was, but a deeper dive into history would suggest otherwise.
this is hearsay, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.