@@bluesiren323 atk/def+5 to some allies is neat but compare it to res+3, 50% dr on magic, and autodouble. If it gave quan speed, maybe it would be good. But...
This is certainly an interesting batch of refines. Everyone gives Quan flak for his refine. Sure it isn't as insane as the other four here, but I find it still very useful for both himself and team comps for some physical bulk. Some of these are tempting, but I'm saving up for a Julius refine.
Marisa's refine is so much fun. I've been saving a 200 Divine Dew buffer for well over half a year now and it was worth it to be prepared! I run her with Blue Flame, Distant Counter, Repel, Time's Pulse, and any S-slot (Atk/Spd bond more often than not) and the fact that she has her special ready every round with a boost of up to 32 free boosted damage without factoring in her Atk is so ridiculous. 2 CD Aether also sounds like a TON of fun, and I might look into giving it to her in the future. Vengeance is also a funny meme to do with her monstrous HP stat!
I was not expecting an Apex Legends reference, nice. As sad as it that Morgan lost the after combat debuffs, he got a REALLY nice refine that I plan to get.
After M! Morgan's refine I can't wait for IS to make Reinhardt's refine like "If unit initiates combat, gets atk + 4. That's all, not even +6 because we hate you.".
To be honest all that Blue Tome Reinhardt needs is the same type of effect that his sword version has with an extra debuff effect(maybe), if he can attack twice even when he is not initiating combat himself he will become one of the strongest units again, which he still kinda is 😅
Quan’s refine is slept on just a teensy bit (mostly during situational circumstances, since I run an all cav theme team, Quan included) but I was really hoping that there’d be more for him. Quan will never get a time to shine, Finn is our last hope
One thing i think could be scary, (and something i do similarly with L! Lilina and Heavy Blade 4) Is Special Fighter and Moonbow, Glimmer, Ruptured Sky or Noontime to always proc them even past guard and infilicts guard on foe.
1:52 Though +Spd can help her keep up with the gang a bit more, still that requires a Trait Fruit use. Thankfully I did my Marisa's IV change when they were introduced and we were given a "free trial" of it.
20:55 I was literally reading some news reports related to Apex Legends (DDos attacks, lost accounts, etc), when you mentioned Pathfinder and I almost lost it! Sacred Spear Apex vids incoming? :) Anyways, great video as always!
@@shadedhydra6674 it's NOT worse. There is no positioning requirement, and that is extremely good for altena because she can then take advantage of flyer mobility skills
@@seththeace6217 I wouldn't call either worse than each other tbh. Flowing Lance can be refined to get +3 Spd and +5 Hp (which is very desirable for Quan) whereas Earthly has +2 Mt, +3 Def and a different condition (remember we're talking about Quan who will not be benefitting from flyer skills /WoM too often but as a Cav will often be solo)
Seth the Ace Mobility skills are nice but with how potent Solo stacking actually is there's not really a reason to not use Flowing Lance over EGB especially as it's an extra 5 HP and 4 Def or Res and pricing against Fliers making you so much more tankier at the cost of 2 Atk.
Happy Sumias refine made her deserving of the 5* exclusive role. Waited like 2 years for her to come out and was upset she wasnt demoted, then it took me like a year or so to actually finish the merges so after all this time im happy S supported, +10, Max'd flowered. I just wish I built her more offensively so guess im going to have to wait for PTibrun to come back. Hoping fliers get some more offensive stuff later or they become more common.
in my case in refinery armads i feel experimental and I use crafty fighter and combined rupture sky in it,I think combined much better to his -1 in the special effect,specially is the enemy are the typical special fighter hero and works specially in the ones like fallen tiki because the combination of damage in rupture sky and +10 in the special in the player phase,better than that¡¡I defeat a Idunn thanks to this combination
wait, marisa's refine works at the start of COMBAT???? thats kinda wonky. it could work for 2 turn cooldowns, get around guard effects and pulse smoke and the like. it wouldnt allow time's pulse/quickened pulse or infantry pulse to stack with it if its worded correctly tho
Sumia pity broke me 3 times I'm glad I kept one and manual the other 2. Now she has a unique purpose. Also valentine Hector would have self synergy better if the healing did 25% max HP instead of 30.
I think my only problem is that I don't know what to do with him. XD Probably still giving him the panic smoke, but I'm contemplating if I give him Spd smoke instead. Also, just a thought, but The ideal and Catch skills. I lean more towards Catch, but Ideal could be an option if you can keep him healthy
If only the catch skills weren't limited to cav and fliers. Marisa with sudden panic could rock it if we ever get atk/spd 3 as a seal with the new duel skills.
8:35 It's important note when testing M!Morgan's refine that at the start of turns, he only gets his +5 field buffs if there is also an enemy within 4 spaces to receive the -5 debuffs as well. If he starts the turn too far away from enemies to apply his debuff effect, then he doesn't gain the field buffs from his weapon.
Pretty sure Marisa won't work with times pulse just how her weapon reads, it seems it checks your cd at start of a combat, not start of turn. If times pulse procs, you aren't at max value when you initiate, so shamshir won't give a bonus cool down.
Nope, It checks your special at the start of turn: "At start of turn, if special cooldown count is...", only the "buff" activates when she initiates (or is close to an ally). And i'm pretty sure someone on Reddit already tested her with time's pulse and said it works.
@@myselfalex15 Nope. Spiral works after combat. Pulse will work at the beginning of the first turn, but after that your cd will never be at maximum (except for enemy's increasing your cd). Pulse can't work in that scenario anymore, so only spiral will be functioning.
mmorgan is good on my debuff corrin team. That team is rather nasty (gunthraa? For the buff, corrin, clarisse and temari tethys), so i just can't swap for him on this one sadly, maybe some other time. The other refines are meh.
Sumia would be a better unit if she was either 3-4 as she needs as much investment as possible, or a newer 5 star with insane stats. I don’t think she has the raw stats to run her weapon well.
@@isaacmahoney5947 yeah, the gen 3 fliers are still really bad with stats. I'm trying to build a thea rn and it's really awful. Like, 48/36 offensive spread with atk boon is really shit.
Hello, I come from the other side where Marisa has Spurn, fury4 and bonfire...it is glorious, only problem is she has trouble dying, so if you were looking for her to die easily, don't use this build.
quan and fiora where my vain of existing during the AHR (as they ran me all out of luck for the rest of the summoning session) but now i see why quan of all appeard here (i don't undertand why fiora)
@@reyesle6709 They're saying they kept summoning non-focus units on the AHR banner which were Fiora and Quan. Quan appeared here as if it's a calling but now they wonder why Fiora appeared. At least that's my interpretation. Also I absolutely summoned Sumia on that banner too so I understand this feeling of summoning a unit that immediately after got a refine
Could a +hp sudden panic Morgan work? Seriously asking, I have a +9 +hp Morgan just sleeping in my barracks, he reach 48 hp with max inv which is not a lot tbh (without counting posible blessing)
It might be fun for aether raids, but for other content a more practical build would just have panic smoke, since pve has hp inflation and arena has busted armor hp.
I'm so confused about Morgan's weapon refine's debuffing in relation to the Plegian weapons. If Morgan's new debuffs only apply "during combat," doesn't that mean only during HIS OWN combat, and therefore couldn't help out a Plegian weapon user with said debuffs - or have I truly misunderstood the usage of "in combat" this entire time, and that means ALL combat with any unit on your own team? Plz halp. :/
So the meaning for "during combat" is whenever your unit is in combat enemy or player phase but it does not apply to other units, so each plegian weapon has their own condition like the plegian torch will only go for atk and res
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IS is holding off on armads refine so they can release it with dire thunder. Also I didn’t realize that they got rid of Morgan’s AoE.
This means he’s now more suited to being an offensive unit than he is a stat buffer and debuffer. It’s not that bad though, they really improved him!
All the refines are pretty solid..... then you look at Quan..... LOOK AT HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOI 😭😭😭😭
True, but you do realize that’s his refine also works for cava lines like reinhart? Also his drive refine is better than Camilla and Oscar
@@bluesiren323 atk/def+5 to some allies is neat but compare it to res+3, 50% dr on magic, and autodouble.
If it gave quan speed, maybe it would be good. But...
And plus he is a 5* locked (unless you get him with 4* special rate)
Thank god, now I can just combat manual the three copies I have of him
@@jaymanners122 ... why wouldn't you combat manual the other 2?
Did you inherit skills on all of them?
12:10
Regular Armads has built in Quick Riposte 2, not QR3.
This is certainly an interesting batch of refines. Everyone gives Quan flak for his refine. Sure it isn't as insane as the other four here, but I find it still very useful for both himself and team comps for some physical bulk.
Some of these are tempting, but I'm saving up for a Julius refine.
Marisa's refine is so much fun. I've been saving a 200 Divine Dew buffer for well over half a year now and it was worth it to be prepared! I run her with Blue Flame, Distant Counter, Repel, Time's Pulse, and any S-slot (Atk/Spd bond more often than not) and the fact that she has her special ready every round with a boost of up to 32 free boosted damage without factoring in her Atk is so ridiculous. 2 CD Aether also sounds like a TON of fun, and I might look into giving it to her in the future. Vengeance is also a funny meme to do with her monstrous HP stat!
As someone who has a +10 Marisa, I am SO relieved this refine didn’t disappoint! My baby’s all grown up now, and ready to kick some butt!
I was not expecting an Apex Legends reference, nice.
As sad as it that Morgan lost the after combat debuffs, he got a REALLY nice refine that I plan to get.
After M! Morgan's refine I can't wait for IS to make Reinhardt's refine like "If unit initiates combat, gets atk + 4. That's all, not even +6 because we hate you.".
@farmer boi Bro Canto Reinhard sounds terrifying
To be honest all that Blue Tome Reinhardt needs is the same type of effect that his sword version has with an extra debuff effect(maybe), if he can attack twice even when he is not initiating combat himself he will become one of the strongest units again, which he still kinda is 😅
I have... a bunch of 3-star Morgan manuals...
I think I'm gonna have some fun!
Have fun.
I have like a +4 Male Morgan right now. I think he might end up being my very first +10 if I put in the effort!
I'm so happy for Morgan 🥺🥺🥺 also for Marissa bc we all thought she could be screwed up fr
Been waiting for this, nice
Quan’s refine is slept on just a teensy bit (mostly during situational circumstances, since I run an all cav theme team, Quan included) but I was really hoping that there’d be more for him. Quan will never get a time to shine, Finn is our last hope
for marisa's refine, you said at the start of combat, but it should be at the start of any turn
Always fine these videos extremely helpful. Thank you for your amazing work!👍
One thing i think could be scary, (and something i do similarly with L! Lilina and Heavy Blade 4)
Is Special Fighter and Moonbow, Glimmer, Ruptured Sky or Noontime to always proc them even past guard and infilicts guard on foe.
Morgan is definitely going to be my next merge project. I love the Plegian weapons, they're so fun to use.
i'd have done that as well, if all of my merge projects werent already red
I already have a +9, I was saving for a refine xd, I even max flower him.
1:52 Though +Spd can help her keep up with the gang a bit more, still that requires a Trait Fruit use. Thankfully I did my Marisa's IV change when they were introduced and we were given a "free trial" of it.
20:55
I was literally reading some news reports related to Apex Legends (DDos attacks, lost accounts, etc), when you mentioned Pathfinder and I almost lost it!
Sacred Spear Apex vids incoming? :)
Anyways, great video as always!
I've played my fair share, but I pretty much only play when my friends are into it. Pathfinder is definitely my favorite.
I'll be going for Quan and Sumia. I just finally got L'arachel's refine.
I refined both my Morgans lol
Same. I just burned 100 orbs to get Close Foil for my boy
Honestly they should’ve just given Quan Earthly Gae Bolg
Considering it's just a worse Flowing Lance that would've been a waste.
Really should have
@@shadedhydra6674 it's NOT worse. There is no positioning requirement, and that is extremely good for altena because she can then take advantage of flyer mobility skills
@@seththeace6217 I wouldn't call either worse than each other tbh. Flowing Lance can be refined to get +3 Spd and +5 Hp (which is very desirable for Quan) whereas Earthly has +2 Mt, +3 Def and a different condition (remember we're talking about Quan who will not be benefitting from flyer skills /WoM too often but as a Cav will often be solo)
Seth the Ace Mobility skills are nice but with how potent Solo stacking actually is there's not really a reason to not use Flowing Lance over EGB especially as it's an extra 5 HP and 4 Def or Res and pricing against Fliers making you so much more tankier at the cost of 2 Atk.
8:05 No need for Lull in your B slot since Panic Smoke would give you a better benefit. Null Follow Up is his best B slot option.
ahem:
aCTuAlLy: at 12:09 its not QR 3 ITS QR 2.
16 MT 1 RG QR 2
I think OG Armads needs the refine more....
Happy Sumias refine made her deserving of the 5* exclusive role. Waited like 2 years for her to come out and was upset she wasnt demoted, then it took me like a year or so to actually finish the merges so after all this time im happy S supported, +10, Max'd flowered. I just wish I built her more offensively so guess im going to have to wait for PTibrun to come back. Hoping fliers get some more offensive stuff later or they become more common.
At 7:20 you can hear his messenger go off.
i been waiting for YEARS for marissa. im this close to coming to the game
I think there keeping og hector's refine for the next set of powercreep armour skills to make it more worth while
I slapped vengeful fighter on Valentine's Hector.
Thank you for your analysis on new refines, as always 😁
Damn, Morgan's refine is sick.
Yeah, makes F!Morgan's refine looks pitiful in comparison.
@@astralguardian5930 You can literally build him in almost any way and he will work.
I do have an extra Dimitri that I could give to Sumia. I was also thinking of giving her Spd/Res Oath
in my case in refinery armads i feel experimental and I use crafty fighter and combined rupture sky in it,I think combined much better to his -1 in the special effect,specially is the enemy are the typical special fighter hero and works specially in the ones like fallen tiki because the combination of damage in rupture sky and +10 in the special in the player phase,better than that¡¡I defeat a Idunn thanks to this combination
wait, marisa's refine works at the start of COMBAT???? thats kinda wonky. it could work for 2 turn cooldowns, get around guard effects and pulse smoke and the like. it wouldnt allow time's pulse/quickened pulse or infantry pulse to stack with it if its worded correctly tho
What's the song during the quan segment?
Sumia pity broke me 3 times I'm glad I kept one and manual the other 2. Now she has a unique purpose.
Also valentine Hector would have self synergy better if the healing did 25% max HP instead of 30.
I think my only problem is that I don't know what to do with him. XD
Probably still giving him the panic smoke, but I'm contemplating if I give him Spd smoke instead.
Also, just a thought, but The ideal and Catch skills. I lean more towards Catch, but Ideal could be an option if you can keep him healthy
Ideals and Catch have different restrictions. Ideals are infantry/Armor while Catches are Cavalry/Flying.
@@aghadlarhen9397 man, there goes that idea. :(
Oh well. Maybe I'll try ideals
They did quan dirty
12:12 Armads has QR 2 not QR3
If only the catch skills weren't limited to cav and fliers. Marisa with sudden panic could rock it if we ever get atk/spd 3 as a seal with the new duel skills.
8:35
It's important note when testing M!Morgan's refine that at the start of turns, he only gets his +5 field buffs if there is also an enemy within 4 spaces to receive the -5 debuffs as well. If he starts the turn too far away from enemies to apply his debuff effect, then he doesn't gain the field buffs from his weapon.
Pretty sure Marisa won't work with times pulse just how her weapon reads, it seems it checks your cd at start of a combat, not start of turn. If times pulse procs, you aren't at max value when you initiate, so shamshir won't give a bonus cool down.
Nope, It checks your special at the start of turn: "At start of turn, if special cooldown count is...", only the "buff" activates when she initiates (or is close to an ally).
And i'm pretty sure someone on Reddit already tested her with time's pulse and said it works.
It works because the skill and the weapon "overlap". AKA they both check her CD at the same time, they don't take turns.
Does it stack with special spiral?
@@myselfalex15 Nope. Spiral works after combat. Pulse will work at the beginning of the first turn, but after that your cd will never be at maximum (except for enemy's increasing your cd). Pulse can't work in that scenario anymore, so only spiral will be functioning.
Pair Morgan with Iago, Aversa or Rally Ruse / Fient Trap = Boom !
Virion 🙏🙏🙏🙏. The boys father.
When did we get the save skill as a seal?
Fir is crying in a corner
I don't know if I should continue on. my +10 f!takumi journey or get a marisa.
Stay strong my friend. His refine is probably coming soon
I pulled a free +res/-def Quan, what do I do?!
mmorgan is good on my debuff corrin team. That team is rather nasty (gunthraa? For the buff, corrin, clarisse and temari tethys), so i just can't swap for him on this one sadly, maybe some other time. The other refines are meh.
Sumia would be a better unit if she was either 3-4 as she needs as much investment as possible, or a newer 5 star with insane stats. I don’t think she has the raw stats to run her weapon well.
@@isaacmahoney5947 yeah, the gen 3 fliers are still really bad with stats. I'm trying to build a thea rn and it's really awful. Like, 48/36 offensive spread with atk boon is really shit.
@@d.ella.y Thea is a worse Subaki atm isn’t she
I say they should make an exception and give Quan Earthly Gáe Bolg, it's only far especially after this refine
Hello, I come from the other side where Marisa has Spurn, fury4 and bonfire...it is glorious, only problem is she has trouble dying, so if you were looking for her to die easily, don't use this build.
How about fury + wrath Marisa? Maybe with Sol or Luna
Do we have a sacred seal for save skills? One was shown in the video but I don’t think I’ve even heard of one being a sacred seal
It doesn't exist
@@KeertikaAndFallenTree then, why was it in the video? Was it supposed to just be a C slot skill?
@@shadexvii3975 Yep
quan and fiora where my vain of existing during the AHR (as they ran me all out of luck for the rest of the summoning session) but now i see why quan of all appeard here (i don't undertand why fiora)
Fiora is a Pegasus flier from blazing blade that came out last year Do you mean Tsumia?
@@reyesle6709 you heard right,i sayd fiora from blazing sword (the only one with pegasous flight) not tsumia
@@reyesle6709 They're saying they kept summoning non-focus units on the AHR banner which were Fiora and Quan. Quan appeared here as if it's a calling but now they wonder why Fiora appeared. At least that's my interpretation. Also I absolutely summoned Sumia on that banner too so I understand this feeling of summoning a unit that immediately after got a refine
@@faceless1434 aaahhhhh
Could a +hp sudden panic Morgan work?
Seriously asking, I have a +9 +hp Morgan just sleeping in my barracks, he reach 48 hp with max inv which is not a lot tbh (without counting posible blessing)
It might be fun for aether raids, but for other content a more practical build would just have panic smoke, since pve has hp inflation and arena has busted armor hp.
I really want to play with Sumias new refine but mine is -atk with no merges so it's not worth it. Definitely getting the refine for OG Hector!
I'm so confused about Morgan's weapon refine's debuffing in relation to the Plegian weapons. If Morgan's new debuffs only apply "during combat," doesn't that mean only during HIS OWN combat, and therefore couldn't help out a Plegian weapon user with said debuffs - or have I truly misunderstood the usage of "in combat" this entire time, and that means ALL combat with any unit on your own team? Plz halp. :/
So the meaning for "during combat" is whenever your unit is in combat enemy or player phase but it does not apply to other units, so each plegian weapon has their own condition like the plegian torch will only go for atk and res
All these refines mean that Validar won't have a one and done gimmicky red tome when he's released. 😀
Oh, he will have, Validar thome
@@archerdamo9160 He will come with Goetia.
Quan Refine......
Love my boy Morgan's refine.
The apex reference ;)))))
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