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I loved Doctor Sleep I'm planning to see it again until Thanksgiving and on December I'll try to go see Ford vs. Ferrari and finally Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker in opening day in IMAX.
I’m just waiting for any sort of news of how I can watch your documentary, outside of the US, likely after it’s screening is totally over(since I don’t even live in a major Canadian market, if it comes to 🇨🇦 )
Loved Dr Sleep and it's a shame it's doing so poorly at the box office. Love the show Dan and I always share it every time I get the chance It just came to me, since both domestic and global box office have little movement after summer, have you ever thought of doing monthly charts? As in the top 5 highest grossing of the current month? Still, great show, keep the good work
Honestly, Charlie's Angels didn't look that interesting from the trailers. I didn't know anything about this controversy around male female audience, but when I decided to go to a movie last weekend, Charlie's Angels wasn't even an option I considered. That doesn't mean I hate watching female led movies, I ended up going to Terminator. It just means, perhaps this movie didn't excite the audience. Diversity, gender balance, representation, while extremely important, can't substitute for making an entertaining film.
Arun Krishnamurthy Thank you for making a coherent, respectful and smart argument and not the “strong lady picture bad” crap that is going around the internet.
I didn't even know people were mad at this movie for "having an agenda". I mean, do they know it's a remake? And that there were already a TV show and two female-lead movies? I don't get it.
Philippe Gélinas it was Elizabeth Banks talking about the movie that angered people the most. For better or worse, it turned some people off. If it looks like a good movie, I will probably see it. I think Charlie’s Angels didn’t do that and it hurt the movie the most, but her comments didn’t help. While sexism is part of it, its also people that just want a movie to do well based on how good it is, not who’s on camera or behind it. They don’t like movies just because it stars men, and its the same for women.
You guys have _got_ to do this when you're down to the last ten: *"It's the final MEOWNTDOWWWNNN"* I think I played back that last part at least 8 times.
I'm sure one reason Wonder Woman had a larger female draw is that she's a well known pop culture figure with a long history. She's the original "girl power" icon who's familiar to females from 6 to 60.
Topher S Also, from a female perspective, the movie look refreshing for the superhero genre, even if it didn't quite hit the mark of being something different. Really liked the movie.
I am a man and I love Wonder Woman comics and so do a lot of men. I like Wonder Woman because it is a mix of modern super heroism and Greek mythology, so the concept itself is already interesting. Wonder Woman isn't another teen girl saves the world story or a character that feels the need to be rude or condescending to be empowered (see Captain Marvel). Wonder Woman is a grown woman who is a warrior and though she is a goddess, she is very human. She can kill an army of men with her bare hands but she can also fall in love and be emotionally hurt by a man as well. Just like a man can be emotionally hurt by a woman. Wonder Woman is confident but not arrogant (again see Captain Marvel) and compassionate.
Yep, Wonder Woman is a feminist icon. Charly's Angeles aren't, that was actually a pretty sexist show in a lot of ways. Plus, female viewers are no longer forced to content with warmed up cost.
I'd agree. Women don't have that same nostalgia with Captain Marvel. Not every woman watched those films for the same reason. For me, I watched Wonder Woman because I grew up with the character even though I dislike Snyder's direction of the DCEU. I watched Captain Marvel because I like the MCU and assumed I'd have a good time b/c of that association.
Elizabeth Banks comments remind me of the directors of Jupiter Ascending saying that if people don’t go see it then people don’t want original sci-fi anymore. We do want it if it’s good, but you can’t expect us to forgive a bad movie.
Were you also under the impression that both Joe and Dan were beating around the bush to some extent? I can totally understand that they were tiptoeing around the issue from a business perspective because you don't want to end up in a shitstorm.
Except, as Dan mentioned at the beginning, she didn't make this comment when her movie failed. The interview is from BEFORE the release of Charlie's angels, but it is now spreading in social media as if she had done it after.
The original charlie angels movie franchise stopped due to dwindling interest. The Tv show reboot flopped bad and didn’t even last a season . How is anyone shocked a new movie flopped ?? Seems to me interest has waned on this IP. Add in I barely knew this was coming out and it was badly marketed this was easy to see why it flopped
When I watched the trailer, I though _"Another Charlie's Angels reboot? What's this, the fifth one?"_ I think nobody was asking, nor expecting for this, except studios' executives.
The action movie audience, regardless of gender, has no connection with these stars whatsoever. Feels like they put square peg in round hole casting wise
Devon Biehn And directing. The director has only done 2 sequels thus far. That's not a way to develop your directing vision. This movie was setup to fail.
Devon Biehn I agree. Stewart is big with the indie crew and I have no idea who those other two actresses were. Lupita, Vanessa Kirby and Michelle Rodriguez or a trio similar to that one would have been better.
My dad’s vote would be for Ford v Ferrari. He, who does not follow the charts thought it was going be the highest grossing movie of the year... I barely had the heart to tell him.
@@jeffnicholas6342 Yes but it's unlikely they'll be able to get the copyright for it. If they don't, their video will probably be demonetized. I hope they can though.
Charlie's Angels needs a fresh spin on it - all out spoof, satire, hard edge action, musical, horror, animated, Deadpool 4th wall breaking, mission impossible spy thriller, etc. Anything except the formula we've seen before, which is what the marketing is telling me about it. The curiosity factor alone would bring audiences out. If we wanted that same thing for nostalgia, the tv show and movies are already available on home media.
I like all the co-hosts for Dan, but Joe is just--he's so encouraging and supportive. He asks great questions and he and Dan just have a delightful friendship and chemistry. Oh, and I really appreciated how level-headed and objective (didn't expect anything less from them) both Dan and Joe approached the Charlie's Angles situation. Wonderful show and I am stoked for Cats!
The other thing about Charlie's angels is that the music video was super famous but it came out 2 months before the actual release of the movie! Like, if the studio wants yo capitalize on it, realease the song the week before 🙄 in fact I thought the movie had come out ages ago because of this 🤷🏽♀️
When I first started watching SJU, it was mid Megalodon countdown. There is truly something special about watching the countdown go from triple digits to a month away a week at a time.
He was “Charting” the films where someone recorded that demographic. Elektra was too long ago. The Long Kiss Goodnight & ORIGINAL Tomb Raider wasn’t recorded for gender, either.
Joe is killing it with all the subtle puns!!! I can't even count them all. And he says them so non-chalant without even breaking stride in the conversation. Love it!!
I think the major reason why the first Charlie's Angels movie was a hit while this one wasn't was the star power. Kristen Stewart is the biggest star and she ain't that big of a star (maybe if this was fresh off of Twilight but not now). Naomi Scott could've been a bigger star but you never saw her name on all the Aladdin advertisements. And I don't know who the third actress is. But the 2000 movie had Drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz, two MAJOR movie stars at the time, and Lucy Lui, who was on a hit television show at the time.
I'd say more that Lucy had a bit of a rep as being an action star, rather than whatever TV show she happened to be in back then. And while star power definitely helped, I think a huge part of it was that the actors just seemed like they were having fun. They had chemistry together, and the studio/actors really focused on that to sell people on the idea that they'd have a fun time watching the movie.
Charlie's Angels is a well known IP. But that may be about it. I almost never hear anyone say, "I love Charlie's Angels, they're my favorite!" We all know what it is but does anyone actually like the movies/show? Like really LIKE? I just think most people (male or female) don't care about it.
At the end of the day too, Charlie’s angels is not a beloved franchise that people were clamouring for to see at the cinema. And that’s coming from the person who loves the McG movies as a guilty pleasure 😂
Genuinely pleased to hear Dan treat these comments with a ton of respect and talk about them in detail and even when he disagrees is really cautious and polite in tone. I think that it's easy for both sides to get loud and live in denial of others' points of views, so I love Dan for being a calm voice of reason who puts the numbers and the data over feelings every time (even if he gets surprised by the results). We need more of him :)
Oh and if you look at the imdb ratings of charlie's angels and the ghostbusters reboot and captain marvel and stuff, and compare them to equivalent quality films that have male leads, there are clearly a huge number of trolls intentionally downvoting them as soon as they're able to. So there is a lot of negative attacking on twitter and on the internet in general that the cast will be bombarded with non stop, I'm sure :(
This week I just wanted to say... I'm so thankful for this channel, this show and Dan in particular. If it weren't for him and his recommendations, I would've missed out on a lot of movies I've watched this year that I have thoroughly enjoyed. Last Friday was my birthday and I started the celebrations on Thursday night watching Parasite with my best friend. Man, we had a BLAST. So yeah, just thank you 💛
To counteract Elizabeth Banks comments about male cinema patrons, I give you The Predator. A film that is basically macho action men shooting the hell outta everything. I don't recall the box office being stellar for that one, and that's squarely aimed towards males. People just don't want to go see a movie that looks average.
Neil Hutchinson predator is great though, but I think both where poorly marketed. Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Malificent prover banks wrong. The studio fumbled it. She can’t blame the audience.
@@lawrencescales9864 The history of cinema is littered with box office flops that just didn't find an audience. I like Elizabeth Banks as an actress, but she's clutching at straws to find an excuse for the failure.
It's interesting to see Wonder Woman being the exception to the rule with regards to demographic. I think part of it is that Wonder Woman feels far more like a fairytale story wrapped up in a superhero film. It has magical worlds, a beautiful princess, the handsome rogue, romance, an evil wizard, mother-daughter relationships, adventure, compassion, etc. It's not just a movie about a girl who can fight, it's got a lot of elements that are attractive to women.
I'd like to see an in-depth analysis of gender breakdowns. Because there's a Stark difference between action movies (star wars, Terminator) and female-driven movies with action (hunger games) in Dan's chart. Which makes me wonder if men will just turn out more for action movies in general because it's a stereotypical male genre that usually markets towards men. The main reason I didn't see Charlie's angels is because I saw 1 trailer months ago and didn't even know it was coming out if not for this show. Meanwhile, I see a trailer for 21 bridges about 5 times a day.
I think Aliens is a very good test subject for this. Ripley is universally praised as an action icon, with very good reason. So what the male/female splits look like there is something I'm very curious about.
I would guess that Charlies Angels isn't exact;y a property that gets people excited. (the opening weekend numbers indicate that) Elizabeth Banks might also be a little too inside baseball since she produced and directed the film. I love films with strong female leads, but I had no interest in seeing this in a theater, but I will on digital eventually.
I just caught up today.. Genuinely had “It’s the final Meowntdown... meow meow meoooow...” go through my head every time Dan has mentioned it over the past few weeks 😂 So glad I’m not the only odd one, thanks Joe
Awesome vid once again guys. I watch these for the Meowntdown FIRST and the chart news second! IT'S THE FINAL MEOWNTDOWN!!!!!!!!! *Insert 80's synthesizer sounds here*
If anybody is wondering why Charlie's Angels flopped, it's because of the marketing. Specifically, they didn't do any? I heard about the film exactly once in the past month and had no clue it was even out.
Concept and how well the concept is sold to the public is most important when picking a movie. The director matters some. The days of the "Star" are over. Stars are only an extra incentive to the concept and can no longer sell a film on their names alone. Which I feel is a good thing.
It will be interesting to see how the industry handles The Joker crossing a billion. I think this will mean more r rated comic book movies, not lower budget movies. As it is, if they do a sequel to the Joker that budget goes up.
I love this show for two main reasons: 1) the passive aggressiveness of saying the #charting data comes from the-numbers.com and 2) the seriousness and importance they give the meowdown for Cats. Please, never change.
I rarely see movies with my dad, but I can confirm that this is a movie I'm going to see with my dad next weekend! So there's one dad down for your poll, Dan. Also, I LOVE Charting when Joe is on! But I love anything that has Joe period.
Wow Dan, thanks for those charts for the Charlie's Angels segment! That's fascinating. What I think would be interesting to investigate further is if we can see the box office legs of female led action movies based on demographics, i.e. if female action movies that successfully cater towards a female audience, have longer legs at the box office? Many of the other female led movies in that chart with heavily skewed male audiences did not have great legs.
Dan & Joe, my favorite people! (& Spencer!) 2-4 are separated by less than $1M. "Instagram model gets lots of attention then the moments it's #ad, nothing." "No one knows what they're doing. No one." Joe's excitment over "Cats"! 😀😀😀 *sings "Into the Unknown"!*
I'm finally gonna see Joker tonight. I don't do more than one movie a week and for some reason there was always another movie to see in place of Joker. But I'm glad it's still going strong so that I can go.
I see you guys are using Tableau for some of your visualizations, nice! Hoping to see more than just the default colors in the future, and I'm sure you guys will figure out how to make some more interesting data visualizations with it than just bar graphs.
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I loved Doctor Sleep I'm planning to see it again until Thanksgiving and on December I'll try to go see Ford vs. Ferrari and finally Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker in opening day in IMAX.
I’m just waiting for any sort of news of how I can watch your documentary, outside of the US, likely after it’s screening is totally over(since I don’t even live in a major Canadian market, if it comes to 🇨🇦 )
Loved Dr Sleep and it's a shame it's doing so poorly at the box office. Love the show Dan and I always share it every time I get the chance
It just came to me, since both domestic and global box office have little movement after summer, have you ever thought of doing monthly charts? As in the top 5 highest grossing of the current month?
Still, great show, keep the good work
Good to know that everyone had to read THE Lottery and not just me.
Does anyone have the demographic breakdown for Ford v Ferrari and/or Midway?
Lon looks a little different today
He's done something with his hair, I think.
No LonDan
No Double Dan
We we're just StarrDan today.
I think he trimmed his beard
@@johnsonjohnson3261 Just Dan-cing with the Starr
The excitement for the meow-ntown was the same tho.
Charting is literally such a highlight of the week, please never stop making them :)
Honestly, Charlie's Angels didn't look that interesting from the trailers. I didn't know anything about this controversy around male female audience, but when I decided to go to a movie last weekend, Charlie's Angels wasn't even an option I considered. That doesn't mean I hate watching female led movies, I ended up going to Terminator. It just means, perhaps this movie didn't excite the audience. Diversity, gender balance, representation, while extremely important, can't substitute for making an entertaining film.
Arun Krishnamurthy Thank you for making a coherent, respectful and smart argument and not the “strong lady picture bad” crap that is going around the internet.
I didn't even know people were mad at this movie for "having an agenda". I mean, do they know it's a remake? And that there were already a TV show and two female-lead movies? I don't get it.
Philippe Gélinas it was Elizabeth Banks talking about the movie that angered people the most. For better or worse, it turned some people off. If it looks like a good movie, I will probably see it. I think Charlie’s Angels didn’t do that and it hurt the movie the most, but her comments didn’t help. While sexism is part of it, its also people that just want a movie to do well based on how good it is, not who’s on camera or behind it. They don’t like movies just because it stars men, and its the same for women.
I saw it and thought it was a really fun, breezy movie. I recommend.
Unity is most important.
You guys have _got_ to do this when you're down to the last ten: *"It's the final MEOWNTDOWWWNNN"*
I think I played back that last part at least 8 times.
They gotta play the music with it!!!!
YESSSSSS!
At the end of the day, not many women went to see Charlie's Angels either.
It looked like it was selling women better than men message, so it was a pass for me
I guess that means women, at the end of the day, come out for good movies
I'm sure one reason Wonder Woman had a larger female draw is that she's a well known pop culture figure with a long history.
She's the original "girl power" icon who's familiar to females from 6 to 60.
Topher S Also, from a female perspective, the movie look refreshing for the superhero genre, even if it didn't quite hit the mark of being something different. Really liked the movie.
Also, the trailers for WW werre epic, inspiring and awesome. Charlie’s Angels looks sloppy.
I am a man and I love Wonder Woman comics and so do a lot of men. I like Wonder Woman because it is a mix of modern super heroism and Greek mythology, so the concept itself is already interesting. Wonder Woman isn't another teen girl saves the world story or a character that feels the need to be rude or condescending to be empowered (see Captain Marvel). Wonder Woman is a grown woman who is a warrior and though she is a goddess, she is very human. She can kill an army of men with her bare hands but she can also fall in love and be emotionally hurt by a man as well. Just like a man can be emotionally hurt by a woman. Wonder Woman is confident but not arrogant (again see Captain Marvel) and compassionate.
Yep, Wonder Woman is a feminist icon. Charly's Angeles aren't, that was actually a pretty sexist show in a lot of ways.
Plus, female viewers are no longer forced to content with warmed up cost.
I'd agree. Women don't have that same nostalgia with Captain Marvel. Not every woman watched those films for the same reason. For me, I watched Wonder Woman because I grew up with the character even though I dislike Snyder's direction of the DCEU. I watched Captain Marvel because I like the MCU and assumed I'd have a good time b/c of that association.
Elizabeth Banks comments remind me of the directors of Jupiter Ascending saying that if people don’t go see it then people don’t want original sci-fi anymore. We do want it if it’s good, but you can’t expect us to forgive a bad movie.
...or Chadwick Boseman's comment that Scorsese didn't "get Black Panther".
Hey Dan. If a director plays the sexism card when her movie is a failure, it's ok to call her on it.
Were you also under the impression that both Joe and Dan were beating around the bush to some extent? I can totally understand that they were tiptoeing around the issue from a business perspective because you don't want to end up in a shitstorm.
This
Except, as Dan mentioned at the beginning, she didn't make this comment when her movie failed. The interview is from BEFORE the release of Charlie's angels, but it is now spreading in social media as if she had done it after.
@@nadine9142 But what difference does it make?
@@nadine9142 Even worse! How? Yes.
The original charlie angels movie franchise stopped due to dwindling interest. The Tv show reboot flopped bad and didn’t even last a season .
How is anyone shocked a new movie flopped ??
Seems to me interest has waned on this IP.
Add in I barely knew this was coming out and it was badly marketed this was easy to see why it flopped
Facts
Exactly this. I didn't even know it was coming out until last week, and only because of Dan & Lon lol.
When I watched the trailer, I though _"Another Charlie's Angels reboot? What's this, the fifth one?"_ I think nobody was asking, nor expecting for this, except studios' executives.
The action movie audience, regardless of gender, has no connection with these stars whatsoever. Feels like they put square peg in round hole casting wise
Devon Biehn And directing. The director has only done 2 sequels thus far. That's not a way to develop your directing vision. This movie was setup to fail.
L ex Elizabeth Banks shouldn’t be directing. She is a solid actress and writer and a great producer but that’s it.
Devon Biehn I agree. Stewart is big with the indie crew and I have no idea who those other two actresses were. Lupita, Vanessa Kirby and Michelle Rodriguez or a trio similar to that one would have been better.
Those movies had three big stars.
And a director that had not done action movies before.
Joe, I appreciate your questions! It helps with elaborating why these numbers matter.
Joe looks so happy during the entire Meowntdown, it warms my heart! Best part of my Monday! Can't wait for the compilation and CAT DRAFT 2020!!!
This show is the reason I actually like Mondays!
My dad’s vote would be for Ford v Ferrari.
He, who does not follow the charts thought it was going be the highest grossing movie of the year...
I barely had the heart to tell him.
Michael Hoskin LMFAOOOO
😂😂😂
I snorted
It won its opening weekend, that's something !
I like Joe but he doesn’t look homeless enough for this show
Either that or Lon had the biggest glow up of 2019.
Watching Joe and Dan meowing The Final Countdown should be the theme song to your cats compilation video 😂😂❤️
You can't Meowntdown until you're 'Jelical" (spelling..?), so Joe's gotta' long way to go!!
@@jeffnicholas6342 Yes but it's unlikely they'll be able to get the copyright for it. If they don't, their video will probably be demonetized. I hope they can though.
@@astragalusson Maybe the 9 lives of the 'Jelical' order can monetize them enough
I just love that Joe reacted by flipping his pen across the desk when Dan revealed that a new CATS trailer will be released tomorrow. 🖊 🐱
More Joe Starr. I like it when the cohost actually asks Dan questions
Charlie's Angels lost their wings.
So don't call them angels.....
@@ajaybathula37 Lol good one
Charlie's Angels needs a fresh spin on it - all out spoof, satire, hard edge action, musical, horror, animated, Deadpool 4th wall breaking, mission impossible spy thriller, etc. Anything except the formula we've seen before, which is what the marketing is telling me about it. The curiosity factor alone would bring audiences out. If we wanted that same thing for nostalgia, the tv show and movies are already available on home media.
I saw Parasite over the weekend! It came to my theater and OMG it actually lived up to the hype!!
Joe's excitement going into the Cats segment is me every dang time!!!!
A new trailer for Cat's, is that a promise or a threat?😜
Yes
Not going to lie: I was more frightened than excited when I heard that news.
@@kstepko That first trailer is the stuff of nightmares.
I hope they fixed the CGI.
hahaha
People always forget that Charlie’s angels had a fail tv reboot in the after Charlie’s angels 2000.
Charlie’s Angels isn’t doing well because it looks awful.
It was only made just to push an agenda
Jason Lewis lol ok
The trailers made it look sooooo generic!
Travis Spazz they did, and it was cast badly imo. Kristen Stewart and a couple of no names don’t have the box office draw that might have saved it.
Erica C shh, let him keep his man hating conspiracy theories intact. 😂😂
I like all the co-hosts for Dan, but Joe is just--he's so encouraging and supportive. He asks great questions and he and Dan just have a delightful friendship and chemistry. Oh, and I really appreciated how level-headed and objective (didn't expect anything less from them) both Dan and Joe approached the Charlie's Angles situation. Wonderful show and I am stoked for Cats!
Joe was missed. Happy he’s back. Always happy to see Dan too :)
The other thing about Charlie's angels is that the music video was super famous but it came out 2 months before the actual release of the movie! Like, if the studio wants yo capitalize on it, realease the song the week before 🙄 in fact I thought the movie had come out ages ago because of this 🤷🏽♀️
You know, considering how much money Charlie's Angels made, women didn't go see it en mass either ...
MorsecodeZ yeah but that’s the men’s fault didn’t you know? Lol
3:42 Hey guys! I saw Midway this weekend with *my* dad! Let me just say that he found the movie to be perfect!
Benjamin Abramowitz Love your profile picture. Best album of the decade.
The Irishman is actually the Dad film of the week
When I first started watching SJU, it was mid Megalodon countdown. There is truly something special about watching the countdown go from triple digits to a month away a week at a time.
Joker laughing on its billion while Charlie's Angels wings gets clipped and Ford Vs Ferrari drives towards success.
Just curious, did you see 'Ford v Ferrari' or 'Charlie's Angel's' or both this weekend? What's your BITS index?
Everyone always forgets about Elektra. Come on, Joe!
Nachos n Cheese Never! My guiltiest and most shameful pleasure ever lol
He was “Charting” the films where someone recorded that demographic.
Elektra was too long ago. The Long Kiss Goodnight & ORIGINAL Tomb Raider wasn’t recorded for gender, either.
If you target a movie for women, don't be surprised when men don't show up.
...did you not watch the video?
The question should be why more women didn't go see it.
Men that are often the ones that make the money while most of the women stay at home to raise the kids and tend to the house.
Dan & Joe! My day is being made.
And I’m all like “Sweet, A Joe Starr appearance”
Nice ending. I expect that little duet to be multi-tracked and made into the theme tune for the Meowntdown.
Joe is killing it with all the subtle puns!!! I can't even count them all. And he says them so non-chalant without even breaking stride in the conversation. Love it!!
The judge is great. The ending on the boat with him and his father is such a beautiful scene.
I think the major reason why the first Charlie's Angels movie was a hit while this one wasn't was the star power. Kristen Stewart is the biggest star and she ain't that big of a star (maybe if this was fresh off of Twilight but not now). Naomi Scott could've been a bigger star but you never saw her name on all the Aladdin advertisements. And I don't know who the third actress is.
But the 2000 movie had Drew Barrymore and Cameron Diaz, two MAJOR movie stars at the time, and Lucy Lui, who was on a hit television show at the time.
I'd say more that Lucy had a bit of a rep as being an action star, rather than whatever TV show she happened to be in back then. And while star power definitely helped, I think a huge part of it was that the actors just seemed like they were having fun. They had chemistry together, and the studio/actors really focused on that to sell people on the idea that they'd have a fun time watching the movie.
Also of note: Joker made a Billion dollars without any Chinese money, since it will never be released there.
Is this Joe’s very first Meowntdown?
No, he was here for the one about cat prostitution.
DAN: “There’s a big 800 pound gorilla coming into the ring this Friday ...”
ME: _Another_ King Kong movie!?!
Charlie's Angels is a well known IP. But that may be about it. I almost never hear anyone say, "I love Charlie's Angels, they're my favorite!" We all know what it is but does anyone actually like the movies/show? Like really LIKE? I just think most people (male or female) don't care about it.
A wild Joe suddenly appears. His face when hearing about the meowntdown made my day.
At the end of the day too, Charlie’s angels is not a beloved franchise that people were clamouring for to see at the cinema. And that’s coming from the person who loves the McG movies as a guilty pleasure 😂
Genuinely pleased to hear Dan treat these comments with a ton of respect and talk about them in detail and even when he disagrees is really cautious and polite in tone.
I think that it's easy for both sides to get loud and live in denial of others' points of views, so I love Dan for being a calm voice of reason who puts the numbers and the data over feelings every time (even if he gets surprised by the results). We need more of him :)
Oh and if you look at the imdb ratings of charlie's angels and the ghostbusters reboot and captain marvel and stuff, and compare them to equivalent quality films that have male leads, there are clearly a huge number of trolls intentionally downvoting them as soon as they're able to. So there is a lot of negative attacking on twitter and on the internet in general that the cast will be bombarded with non stop, I'm sure :(
Charlie's Angels being a huge hit would be waaaay more of a surprise than it being a flop.
You guys kill me - you're so funny! I will be so sad when the Meownt down is over!
It never has to end in our hearts!
If joker gets a few major Oscar nods like acting , directing , writing or movie that could be the push it needs to catch aqua man
This week I just wanted to say... I'm so thankful for this channel, this show and Dan in particular. If it weren't for him and his recommendations, I would've missed out on a lot of movies I've watched this year that I have thoroughly enjoyed.
Last Friday was my birthday and I started the celebrations on Thursday night watching Parasite with my best friend. Man, we had a BLAST. So yeah, just thank you 💛
I was interested in Charlie’s Angels but I literally forgot that it came out last weekend.
To counteract Elizabeth Banks comments about male cinema patrons, I give you The Predator. A film that is basically macho action men shooting the hell outta everything. I don't recall the box office being stellar for that one, and that's squarely aimed towards males. People just don't want to go see a movie that looks average.
Neil Hutchinson predator is great though, but I think both where poorly marketed. Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman and Malificent prover banks wrong. The studio fumbled it. She can’t blame the audience.
@@lawrencescales9864 The history of cinema is littered with box office flops that just didn't find an audience. I like Elizabeth Banks as an actress, but she's clutching at straws to find an excuse for the failure.
It's interesting to see Wonder Woman being the exception to the rule with regards to demographic. I think part of it is that Wonder Woman feels far more like a fairytale story wrapped up in a superhero film. It has magical worlds, a beautiful princess, the handsome rogue, romance, an evil wizard, mother-daughter relationships, adventure, compassion, etc. It's not just a movie about a girl who can fight, it's got a lot of elements that are attractive to women.
Great combination of Joe asking questions and Dan elaborating and giving interesting and insightful about the box office. Great combination
I'd like to see an in-depth analysis of gender breakdowns. Because there's a Stark difference between action movies (star wars, Terminator) and female-driven movies with action (hunger games) in Dan's chart. Which makes me wonder if men will just turn out more for action movies in general because it's a stereotypical male genre that usually markets towards men.
The main reason I didn't see Charlie's angels is because I saw 1 trailer months ago and didn't even know it was coming out if not for this show. Meanwhile, I see a trailer for 21 bridges about 5 times a day.
I think Aliens is a very good test subject for this. Ripley is universally praised as an action icon, with very good reason. So what the male/female splits look like there is something I'm very curious about.
I would guess that Charlies Angels isn't exact;y a property that gets people excited. (the opening weekend numbers indicate that) Elizabeth Banks might also be a little too inside baseball since she produced and directed the film. I love films with strong female leads, but I had no interest in seeing this in a theater, but I will on digital eventually.
I barely even remembered that another Charlie's Angels was in production; had no idea it was out.
Banks never considered the fact that she was doing a remake or that her casting choices could have kept people away?
I appreciated Joe's giddy enthusiasm as it mirrors mine every week for this segment
Please!!!! Keep Joe Star on the Show!!!!!!!!
The end of last week and this weekend has been a dozy and as always, just hearing the preview for the Meowtdown has brought me joy!
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I just caught up today.. Genuinely had “It’s the final Meowntdown... meow meow meoooow...” go through my head every time Dan has mentioned it over the past few weeks 😂 So glad I’m not the only odd one, thanks Joe
Another great job by Dan and Joe was a fantastic change of paste!
Lon's finally made it...he's a Starr
Awesome vid once again guys. I watch these for the Meowntdown FIRST and the chart news second!
IT'S THE FINAL MEOWNTDOWN!!!!!!!!! *Insert 80's synthesizer sounds here*
IT’S THE FINAL MEOWNTDOWN!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
If anybody is wondering why Charlie's Angels flopped, it's because of the marketing. Specifically, they didn't do any? I heard about the film exactly once in the past month and had no clue it was even out.
Not just that... It looked horrendous too
Concept and how well the concept is sold to the public is most important when picking a movie. The director matters some. The days of the "Star" are over. Stars are only an extra incentive to the concept and can no longer sell a film on their names alone. Which I feel is a good thing.
I love Joe's chemistry with Dan! Please, keep this up~
woo charts!
It will be interesting to see how the industry handles The Joker crossing a billion. I think this will mean more r rated comic book movies, not lower budget movies. As it is, if they do a sequel to the Joker that budget goes up.
I love this show for two main reasons: 1) the passive aggressiveness of saying the #charting data comes from the-numbers.com and 2) the seriousness and importance they give the meowdown for Cats. Please, never change.
I rarely see movies with my dad, but I can confirm that this is a movie I'm going to see with my dad next weekend! So there's one dad down for your poll, Dan. Also, I LOVE Charting when Joe is on! But I love anything that has Joe period.
It did 8 million....come on....Women didn't even come to see the movie......nobody did really that's why it bombed
This is literally the first time I'd even heard there was a Charlie's Angels movie out this year.
I've never been more excited for a segment as I am for the Catdraft after the Meowntdown, sure to be a tail of catastrophically clawesome purfection.
Love having joe in this video!! Great questions from u man
"I'm not gunning for Dark Knight Rises". Sure, Joe. Sure.
Wow Dan, thanks for those charts for the Charlie's Angels segment! That's fascinating. What I think would be interesting to investigate further is if we can see the box office legs of female led action movies based on demographics, i.e. if female action movies that successfully cater towards a female audience, have longer legs at the box office? Many of the other female led movies in that chart with heavily skewed male audiences did not have great legs.
This is the pairing that I've been waiting for
Another solid episode. Really enjoyed the analysis of what happened with "Charlie's Angels". Really miss Lon.
Dan & Joe, my favorite people! (& Spencer!)
2-4 are separated by less than $1M.
"Instagram model gets lots of attention then the moments it's #ad, nothing."
"No one knows what they're doing. No one."
Joe's excitment over "Cats"! 😀😀😀
*sings "Into the Unknown"!*
Lon brings the enthusiasm, but I really like Joe's strangness
Joaquin and the Joker are well regarded individually on the international stage. The combination is pure magic 😎👌
yay charting!
Yay Joy K watching Charting!
Noooo, talk about the Judge on air! I want to hear it, I liked that movie too 😊
I'm finally gonna see Joker tonight. I don't do more than one movie a week and for some reason there was always another movie to see in place of Joker. But I'm glad it's still going strong so that I can go.
I see you guys are using Tableau for some of your visualizations, nice! Hoping to see more than just the default colors in the future, and I'm sure you guys will figure out how to make some more interesting data visualizations with it than just bar graphs.
God bless the Meowntdown.
'No gods, no masters' only Meowntdown remains
Joe is so excited about the Meowntdown, I love it.
My two favorite junkies in one place (Dan 'n' Joe). Love it lol.
Great job Dan!
I haven't seen Joe in so long, so happy to see him at this videos open. No offense Lon.
Thanks to Dan Murrell and Avengers: Endgame, I'm a Charting devotee! Also agree with Joe; the embargo trick doesn't work anymore.
Love you guys!!!!