Debbie Hayton: 'The reality is there are two sexes. Male and female'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2021
- After James Max's explosive interview yesterday with campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen, journalist Debbie Hayton tells James where it is he went wrong and how he is conflating 'biological reality' with 'gender ideology'.
Debbie says: "There are two sexes. Male and female. What you got wrong was forgetting that and concentrating on gender identity."
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James making a complete fool of himself yet again.
He’s got to be plank of the week surely!🤔
“What did I get wrong”
You were ill prepared, condescending and aggressive
His behaviour yesterday was a disgrace. He bullied a woman because she disagreed with him.
He bullied a woman because he's a misogynist. It follows a pattern.
Exactly!
He Tried to bully a woman but got his arse handed back to him on a plate🤔😳😎
@@MustyUnderboob cognitive dissonance.
If he is a mysoginist I'd plat water 💧
He tried to- but she owned him
I noticed James was way more respectful to Debbie Hayton than he was to Kellie-Jay Keen even though they have very similar views and both told him he was wrong. Could it be that James really does know the difference between a man and a woman?
@@allen-lifts do you need an expert to tell you what men and women are?
GASP
@@allen-lifts um suffering from a fetish doesn't make you an expert?
Probably because he was hauled over the coals after his disastrous interview with KJK.
Woman defines womanhood. Bigot. Trans woman defines trans-womanhood, Max has no idea how to handle being told he's wrong and doubles down on his views without daring to disagree with Hayton. Hilarious.
James displays here the perfect ability to be polite, which he was completely devoid of yesterday. It appears that he can in fact tell the difference between male and female humans, and treats them differently. Also, he was absolutely being offensive and mean in a slimey way yesterday, just not to the group he believes are victims.
Ofc he knows who's a male and who's female and who James can call up to be sacrificed as fodder to the cancel culture narrative. James is not a supporter of freedom of speech for others on all topics only the ones he deems acceptable.
Yes, I noticed he allowed Debbie to speak and even finish his sentences. There were no snide remarks, triggers to evoke an emotional reaction or inferences to disparage Debbies reputation either. It looks like James Max knows fine well the difference between men and women, and to which one he gives respect.
@@allen-lifts provide evidence of your labels which have now been reduced to clichéd shut down responses parroted by those who aren't even listening to trans and gay people who disagree with you like LGB Alliance.
@Allen-Lifts Many terfs are lesbian. So how are they homophobic? And even heterosexual terfs support all women. I've never come across a homophobic terf. Whilst trans activists are exceptionally homophobic and some even support "corrective r*pe".
@@SM-so8hh (YEP)
James has put his foot in it again. He's listening to science fiction and not science facts. Quoting from a child has-been actress is classic.
Lmao true
David Whiting James probably has researchers or assistants, who are probably young & "woke". They would never consider biological reality to be truthful. Perhaps, James should remember that he was a journalist before he presented "news" programmes!!
He seems to be a peculiar apologist for a movement that is little more than pseudoscientific political propaganda.
Sorry James, you offended Kelly-Jay with your disparaging and aggressive attitude towards her claiming she is a women and there are only 2 sexes, which is reality and correct scientifically. So I suggest you be more sensitive to 50% of people and respect our reality.
Such a shame that James has to have a man on to explain it to him.
Yes “Debbie “ understands that he is male, and says he is not a woman.
I suggest James reads The Madness of Crowds
James keeps digging his already immense hole. Paying credence to two celebrity tweets, and reading Stonewall edicts. Maybe he should ask himself or his guest [ who was incredibly sensible]: can a transitioned man have a child? No? Then they aren't a woman.
Funny how James doesn’t like the reaction to his KJK interview, he cannot have sympathy for the horrendous treatment that JKR has received for stating the obvious...🤢
Imagine quoting Stonewall and think you’re being objective, how do these people get into these positions?
Imagine quoting Stonewall and then that buffoon D. Radcliffe.
James "I'm not sure that's how trans people do see it". Whilst arguing with someone who is trans. You've made yourself look even more of a fool today than with Kellie-Jay. Thankyou Debbie for the common sense we are craving in these discussions.
How is Debbie spouting common sense? He is in fact a man , parading his sexual kink , invading female spaces.
Debbie is a advocating for "trans rights" , he is the problem. Just because he's pretending he's "reasonable ".
He is in no way reasonable
Anybody under 35 have a completely different view? I'm 27 and I agree with Kellie Jay Keen. And if anyone under 35 can't see reality then perhaps the more experienced adults should realise that they need to take some leadership here and stop bowing to spoiled adult-children such as my generation. IT does not mean that we can't have compassion. But reality IS important for a variety of significant reasons that affect EVERYBODY.
James "are you an expert?" Max now quoting actors opinions as evidence to back him up.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem is the celebs, they need need to be loved and would literally die if they were "cancelled". The Harry Potter actors/actresses should bow their heads in shame for what they did to the JKR. They would be working in Mc Donalds and if really lucky being in a Panto at Christmas if it wasn't for her.
They are woke snowflakes running scared for their careers. They therefore do not understand the meaning of either loyalty or gratitude and certainly will never suffer from any sense of guilt or shame! It's very much a generational thing! Just saying!
Well said
She's spot on and I imagine most trans people agree with her. Men cannot be women. It's just impossible.
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@@susanpotter9720 Well done! The double-speak here amazes me. On one hand the comments acknowledge 2 genders and then refer to Mr Hayton as "she". As they used to say: "Beam me up Scotty!"
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You need to re read your post . It's complete cobblers
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Debbie, like Kellie yesterday, spoke truth and fact. How interesting the difference in the way James spoke back to each of them. He was defensive and offensive to Kellie but not so to Debbie.
BECAUSE DEBBIE IS A MAN NAMED DAVID!
@@MustyUnderboob
Ooh…a bit shouty
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Yes matron.
@@MustyUnderboob
That’s better…
Hobnob?
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Are you a guy offering me your knob?
Typical. 🙄
😜
Debbie Hayton is quoting facts and reality.
Yep, hard to argue against him. He is now my favourite Trans Person.🤸
except he calls himself debbie, uses womens sex segregated spaces and gets everyone to use female pronouns.
He's getting a narcissistic sense of power, status and satisfaction from being the "interviewee" of choice for all the media outlets at the moment can't you see?
He loves the attention.
@@ellie698 Yes, you've convinced me. He is no longer my favourite AGP.
Fave agp!!!?? So funny they prob love being pets!
Fact-Mr Hayton is a man
Reality-Mr Hayton is a man
What does James mean by being "better educated"? Because it certainly isn't listening to Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson or Stonewall.
Still didnt get the answer he wanted. Is he going to keep on with this until somebody agrees with him?
@@FreddyNietzsche. I think Debbie was right, things were more live and let live years ago. It is Stonewall that have made it so toxic. I gather that the LGB part of the community feel let down by them too.
@@kerryneylan7978 100% let down by Stonewall. It's basically just for the 'T' now. They define homosexuality as "same gender attracted" rather than "same sex attracted", and say that you're transphobic if you wouldn't consider sex with a trans person.
Julia is back next week and he will be reconsigned to the early hours that nobody listens too. Back in his box.
Debbie is amazing. She's clearly comfortable in her own skin. She is perfectly happy being what she is a trans women who is a biological male. And you know what... Funny enough, I have no issues with Debbie. Because she doesn't want to deny me my experiences and life.
He is a gaslighter. Yes he knows what sex is but he doesn't deserve a pat on the back for acknowledging that while he uses female only spaces and has little to no respect for his wife and children. He is a fetishist and he gets off on people pandering to that.
@@adulthumanfemale265 She has fully transitioned. He also acknowledges the pain He caused her family. If you read His twitter feed or see other interviews . Debbie is trans sexual not trans gender. 🤷♀️
@@donnaecroyd2473 fully transitioned? To what? Full time agp?
@@donnaecroyd2473 there's no such thing as transitioning. It's unnecessary body mutilation and taking hormones meant for the opposite sex
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If they were actually women you wouldn’t need the word “trans” in front of it!
Succinct.
Debbie Hayton is a breath of fresh air. I know Kellie-Jay doesn't think much of him, but every time I hear him I hear a bit of sanity. Isn't it ironic though that a man dressed as a woman has more authority with James Max than an actual woman. Do I need Debbie Hayton to tell Max that I would feel threatened if a man came into my changing room? Apparently I do.
Is it ironic? I just thought it exposed him for the cowardly sexist he is.
Debbie Hayton is a better man than James Max will ever be.
That's a pretty low bar...
Debbie Hayton is a legend. 'One reality and one truth'. Sums it up. James must surely be of low intelligence.
Nah ! He's just hunting for a job at the BBC.
I despair about how dumb humans have become 20 years ago this wouldn't even be a conversation worth happening because it would have been seen as a load of nonsense which it is.
See the Life of Brian scene where Eric Idle's character is demanding the right to have children. Terry Gillam has been censored now of course and they are trying to ambush John Cleese to get him no platformed.
I would hope that it's still seen by most people as a load of nonsense its a small minority who are trying to indoctrinate an entire generation into this nonsense it's not hard to brainwash society and history tells us that.
@@allen-lifts Oh really is that right I don't think gay rights activism 20 and 30 years ago ever wanted to mutilate children by destroying there bodies with hormones and surgery, compete against biological women in sports invade there spaces and there shelters, rape women in female prisons, send people death threats, force people out of their jobs, deny millenia of biological reality and language and pretend that the grass is pink I could go on but have better things to be doing than wasting anymore of my time on people who make the pathetic arguements that you make. Trans rights activism is fudimentally misoganistic and homophobic not to mention orwellian I am discovering that more and more everyday.
@@allen-lifts that what trans ideologues want you to think. They've made a lot of their headway in the last few years by pretending it's the same arguments. In fact trans ideology is the ultimate homophobia. Young people realising that they're attracted to their own sex are encouraged to believe they must really be the opposite sex.
It's interesting that he doesn't interrupt Debbie Hayton or treat him with disrespect, as he does women. I wonder how he identifies who to be respectful to, considering his magical beliefs.
Debbie Hayes speaks intelligently, rationally and coherently on the Trans issue. James Max should spend more time listening to what Debbie says, and less time listening to mouth-pieces from the militant Trans political activist agenda (who do not represent actual transsexuals).
@You're Kiddin', Right? Certain women maybe - Kellie-Jay Keen, for example. Certain other women - Emma Watson, Nicola Sturgeon, seemingly any Labour MP - not so much.
I would like to know what rights for trans people Debbie would like to have, said nothing about that in the video. Don't think she would subscribe to all TERF claims. That would mean unchangeable birth assignment, like in Viktor Orban Hungary now.
@@miriamlana833Sex is not "assigned" at birth, it is recorded - often prenatally via ultrasound scan. Sex is defined at conception and is immutable (in mammals). As Debbie is a science teacher, I'm confident she would agree.
@@llengsuch3426 only the gamete production is immutable (by present technology), sex is a sum of characteristics from which most are mutable.
@@miriamlana833 No - your sex is encoded in DNA within *every cell* of your body.
Your DNA code cannot be rewritten - except in fantasy and science-fiction.
Debbie is always so eloquent, rational and intelligent. I can't believe James was quoting third rate actors to an actual trans person. Why should we believe anything Emma Watson or Daniel Radcliffe say about anything? All the trans people like Debbie must despair at the mess the activists have made. Debbie is right that we need to respect women and children's rights as well as trans rights and find a solution grounded in reality, not the fiction of sex change.
A voice of reason from a confident and intelligent 'human being,' something that has been lacking from mainstream media and government for two decades. Well said Debbie 👏
'Human being'.🤣🤣
Debbie is a human being first and foremost, gender is secondary, that was my point. So yes Debbie is a man and always will be, I hope that clears everything up! Happy new year 👍
@You're Kiddin', Right? As are all trans (unless the other way around of course) ... which he freely admits during the interview. Just saying!
did you watch Kellie-Jay Keen talk with this fool of James ?
@You're Kiddin', Right? Hi YKR in this particular case I will need to concede to your greater knowledge. I have not encountered before and really don't have the interest or desire to research. However, fetishist or not, I agreed very much with most if not all of his/her views as presented during this vid. Just saying!
"Do you have the source for that?" Brilliant response. Completely put that one to bed.
Two things I wasn't expecting : a trans person being incredibly lucid and rational and logic and a Talk Radio woke presenter
Debbie Hayton has boiled the issue down to the truth - ideology vs reality!
How hard is it for James to understand what Debbie is saying......Trans women are not women, but are allowed to be who they are. Its immoral to make laws based on any other structures. James keeps quoting activists and calling them experts.
As usual the media tries to create the narrative.
James admitted his problem when he said he desperately doesn't want to offend anyone, sometimes reality offends, he's got to learn this, sometimes people have to be told that they can 'identify' as they choose but cannot expect everyone else to throw biological science and reality aside and accept their fantasy as fact.
@@perovwellyz560 what James means when he says he doesn't want to offend is basically he doesn't want to lose his job from the woke mob.
Yes, it's just a cowardly way out. One that too many people choose these days.
@@allen-lifts The gender term woman is tightly connected to female and it has always been that way, used universally by both sexes all over the world, just because some activists saw the possibility of a distinction and has had a crowbar forcing a chasm between the terms in the last few years, doesn't make it true.Also a growing number of transwomen DO claim to be female.
Gave Debbie a much easier time than he gave Kelly Jay.
It's almost like he knows what men and women are...
Thank you Kelly Jay for showing up Mr. Max. You stated your case in a calm, composed and intelligent manner.
Debbie hayton hit the nail on the head 👏👏
How do people feel like they are different sex to what they are? I don’t feel like a man. I just am one. How would anyone know what it feels like to be a man or a women. We only know how we individually feel.
This!!!!
This!!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. wait has the trans ideology reach Morocco ?? no way!!!!
@@Takiki
I don’t know
Amen to that.
Thank you, Debbie. You cannot replace facts with beliefs or try to redefine facts to suit a cause. If you do then there will never be facts.
James doesn't want to offend people unnecessarily!? His whole demeanour was offensive and patronising to Kelly Jay... She was composed and he tried on several occasions to interrupt and rubbish her points! He's back peddling towards a sharp drop!
Oh look, James Max showing far more respect to an agp man than he can show to a woman protecting women and girls. Max knows damn well that Debbie is a man! Thats why he is treating him as such.
yes
Debbie Hayton was correct 👏🏽👏🏽
She was articulate and well balanced in her argument.
There are only two Genders....period!
How a person identifies is totally different to gender.
People should be able to liv their life without harassment and identify how they wish to but this should not impeach on women and girls rights.
I don’t understand James Maxx. He invites a expert on to his show for their I presume wisdom and experience yet he kept challenging Debbie on her personal experience and kept contradicting himself 🤔
Debbie Hayton describes himself as a man
Nothing Debbie says can be argued with, nothing James says on this topic can be taken seriously.
except that he insists he's called Debbie and that his pronouns are she/hers
Hypocrisy.
Compelling someone to say untruths is a form of control.
Narcissistic people enjoy control.
@@ellie698 Debbie doesn’t insist on female pronouns. He’s quite happy to be referred to as ‘he’ but has expressed a preference for ‘she’. I personally never give female pronouns to men under any circumstances.
But when there's a woman saying the exact same stuff he acts like a sneering, smug arse trying to ridicule her and frame her like an evil monster that should be cancelled and silenced maybe. What a "journalist"!
Debbie you and all your trans friends in that community can hold your heads up high and proud. Your a breath of fresh air. To speak the truth from a perspective of someone who lives the life is so refreshing. ❤
And yet everyone uses female pronouns to refer to him and he uses women's sec segregated spaces.
The world, including his young students, has to prop up his autogynaephilia 24/7 and he gets lauded for it by people.
What a con man.
We can’t have a discussion with an idealology that is so aggressive, we can have a discussion with people like Debbie.
You can't force people to deny biological reality.
Except the whole time "Debbie" is living his life, everyone is compelled to call him she despite being a man.
What a hypocritical conman.
In plain sight 🤦🏻♀️
Raglan still they try though!!
You know nothing about biological science. So obvious.
James embarrassed himself here. I know he's there to counter the argument, but just quoting people didn't strengthen anything. Well done Debbie.
Thank you Debbie! Facts and common sense. Max is out of his depth.
And out of his arse. His ignorance apparently does nothing to keep him from less talking and MORE LISTENING.
He treated Kellie-Jay as an uppity woman who doesn't deserve to be heard. Yet he's lovely and polite to Debbie. This is the ROOT if the problem. Men support other men, and real women are just in the way of men getting what they want. The difference in the way he treated these two is stark.
Stating the facts these days is considered controversial
Debbie well done calling out the rubbish James max speaks. Respect to you for your intelligent comments
The fact that this is a controversial opinion, shows how ruined society is becoming
So James doesn't believe a woman when she says what a woman is. James does believe a man when he says what a woman is. Perhaps James has an issue with respecting women?
Well done Debbie for speaking truth
@You're Kiddin', Right? Because he discriminates on the basis of sex? 😯😳🤨🙃
@You're Kiddin', Right? because people like Posie and you who have zero respect for tw don't deserve any respect in return.
@@miriamlana833 Real women don't need to respect men in pantomime dress
Thank you Debbie. James you are part of the problem repeating false facts and myths. Women start identifying as men and take their space. Then maybe James you will get it.
Debbie speaks the truth , a trans man is still male , why we have to believe someone saying they are a different sex when clearly that is impossible is so wrong , it’s like having to call someone a penguin just because they say they are one and wear a penguin suit !
Nah a trans man is female, and vice versa
Just to correct you, you meant a trans female is still a male. Cis-male has a penis. Trans-female has/born with a penis.
@@Nightshaders Another way to word it is.
Trans Identifying Man = biological male
Trans Identifying Woman = biological female
actually a "trans man" is a woman who identifies as a man, a "trans woman" is a MAN who identifies as a woman, a TiM, a trans identifying man, which is what Hayton is.
@@Drankovich the way Brother D put it makes far more sense. Are you trying to cede your language to these people?
Debbie is such a sound voice of reason, fair, interesting and above all respectful to other people's views, thankyou Debbie 👏♥️
except he calls himself Debbie, uses women's single sex spaces and gets everyone to refer to him as she.
Rather controlling and hypocritical wouldn't you say?
Debbie Hayton you are a breath of fresh air
James Max doesn't mind offending women.
James , what a turn around, yesterday you said Keely was wrong demanding sources for women only . You are a joke James
How refreshing Debbie is the best person I have seen talking sense on this issue. Well done
Still a man though.
And he doesn't belong in women's spaces.
He's a self confessed autogynaephile. He gets a thrill from being accepted as a woman. We're all expected to prop up his fantasy.
This guy James Max seems terrified of being cancelled, he should be cancelled for being an appalling radio host though.
He seems exasperated by people that don’t agree with him it was nice to see him squirm.
There was another bad interview were the guest was allowed to blame non vaxxed without question? Was that him too?
If I was his boss I would be very interested to know how much preparation goes into his show. Surely it is standard to at least have a working knowledge of all sides of an issue before commenting.
James, on most issues I usually agree with you. But on this occasion your absolutely wrong wrong wrong!!! In every way, stop trying to pander to the woke brigade.
Max was more polite and deferential to Hayton than he was to KJ Keen. Because Hayton is trans? Because he’s male? Most male media commentators are like this. Hard to avoid the conclusion it’s sexist
Debbie is an absolute light in this trans debate; listen to what Debbie says it is perfectly correct! Respect to you Debbie for defending women and staying true to your trans self ☺️
"Speak to anybody below the age of 35" - Yes, that would be me, and I completely agree with Debbie, et al, as I - you know - KNOW HOW BIOLOGY AND REALITY WORKS.
So learn it ;)
James Max needs to grow some balls and stop worrying about upsetting people. The trans guest is speaking common sense and James still can't accept it.
So if this trans man denies that he is a she he is “transphobic” 😂😂 We now live in a Monty Python sketch
Poor James Max he feels marginalised and victimised, awww; what an immature adult human male!
Go round in decreasing circles and you end up one place: disappearing up your backside. And that is where 'The Left' is. I hope THIS interview helped James Max…but it doesn't sound like it?
Debbie absolutely brilliant, so level headed, breath of fresh air to trans rights
Wow Debbie knocks it out the park. Debbie should be invited to speak at university campuses and the BBC. Well done. Respect and gratitude in heaps.
How much does TalkRadio pay James Max to not research topics he opines on? Also interesting how differently he treated Kellie and Debbie.
You need to apologise to Kelly Jay for threatening to cancel her. The power got into your head
Why didn't he just leave the subject alone? didn't he learn anything after his disastrous interview with Kellie Jay? James has just made himself look even more of a fool, stuttering and still not coming up with any valid arguments, and not once did he show any support or concern for women having their spaces invaded. Debbie is totally right, we need to go back to TRUTH and REALITY, not FANTASY.
Well said Debbie facts are facts , we live in reality not cloud cuckoo land .
Debbie was spot on, if only James Max would stop talking. At last a rational explanation from somebody who is living it and knows what they are talking about. Brilliant.
TRAs: Listen to trans people!
Me: **listens to trans person**
TRAs: No, not that one!
Didn't want to " offend ' ?
Yet was totally OK with being offensive towards kellie & very rude about females 🙄
If James doesn't want to offend anyone - he is offending the majority of people
James is the perfect example of people that uses the trans community just so others will perceive them as being morally superior.
Debbie wasn't having that though and had no interest in being used as a crutch.
Well said Debbie. The most sensible answers ever.
Men can't 'become' women same way I can't 'become' Henry VIII
That would be a neat trick!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. much as I try 👻👻
Well said Debbie.
Come back Julia ffs
Wow,a trans spokesperson with a reasoned position,on the issue.
Bc he wants to worm his way in with women.
Well, the presenter has a lot more respect for Debbie Hayton than for Kelly-Jay. Clearly he recognizes a man when he sees one.
This man is so afraid of twitter, what a joke.
Note for James: Stonewall, who even the BBC got rid of, and a couple of Harry Potter actors are not 'experts' on transgender issues by any stretch.
I reckon this proves that pretty much all of the activists are not trans people themselves. Well done Debbie, and I really cannot see how this so called radio presenter is still in this job. He constantly interrupts and talks to people as though he knows everything - Debbie has to constantly bring him back to reality.
They all do that.
Really James?
You had to go to a Trans woman, to confirm what Kellie told you?
Pay attention to what's going on.
Hayton isn't the only Trans person that thinks like this - do some research, past a load of actors scoring social media points, for fear of being cancelled.
Watch Rose of Dawn, Blair White, Buck Angel - they'll all agree with Hayton, and they're all equally appalled at what a % of modern Transactivists are doing to girls, women AND Trans people.
And less of the Boo Hoo - you are free to say what you want.
It's whether or not you're going to say it and be confident that what you are saying, is accurate & supportable.
So the experts are stonewall and two so called actors from Harry Potter. OK then 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂
James max is doing nothing but pander to the trans community..
"Do you have the source for this?" and he completely ignores the question because clearly the answer is no.
James listen to the actual trans - man and stop pandering to the mob
"Meaningless Twoddle"!
Brilliant!! 👏 Debbie you are an Ambassador, bringing it back to Reality & Truth. I think You are the No.1 Voice, no one can argue with you. 👏👏👍💪
Well done Debbie 👍
Debbie is the real voice of trans people. They simply want to get on with their lives in peace and happiness.
Debbie is not the voice of anyone but Debbie. Debbie does whatever Debbie can to make sure Debbie can get the attention that Debbie wants.