@@ApicationEmail what's the need to go that far tho? What's the point of reaching 500+ km/h if in return it's gonna consume absurd amount of energy and wear out the tracks (which are designed for 320 km/h speeds)? These new trains will consume a LOT less energy (20% less) and their maintenance costs are at least 33% lower, and THOSE are the things that truely matters.
Amtrak is actually getting Alstom Avelia Liberty trainsets which is a version of the train in this video and one prototype set is completed and it's being tested in Pueblo, CO right now. They probably won't be going as fast as the ones in this video but it's something new from Alstom which is always nice. Heres a picture of the prototype: d1c4d7gnm6as1q.cloudfront.net/Pictures/2000x2000fit/2/7/8/30278_amtrakacelaalstomavelialiberty6_515658_crop.jpg
@@itsliamobrien3094 does that really matter though? The trains are not the problem, its the way they use their network. Giving most open slots to slow freight trains, understandable because those companies also own the railways.
@@massimo4683 Most of the rail network is owned by those freight companies. Not much Amtrak can do. Anyway, for HSR, we need to build new track to be able to handle the high speeds and frequencies.
It's a shame we'll most likely never see double-decker trains in the UK, I've been on some in Europe and great how essentially just being a few metres higher off the ground can make a train journey much more exciting
they are pretty common in my area in southern Germany; A rather interesting train set here runs a single double-decker car in between several normal cars
Might be on entire lines with larger loading gauge; I think HS1 and HS2 would allow doubledeck trains but they couldn't go on classic UK lines which are much more restricted in size.
Yeah, in the TGV (the model is clearly based off of it) there's only one floor, for basically no reason (I guess they stock food there but no need for an entire floor)
@@ronylouis0 No, under the bar of the TGV Duplex it is technical rooms for electrical hardware. Those are moved at other places (mostly into the power cars, I think) in this new model.
There are so many compatibility issue, but I do agree, they should’ve gotten 1 or 2 of them. (The rails and voltages aren’t the issue, it’s the door height, and the size of the train, it could probably fit under American wires, but it’d probably have issues in the station
@@JoeyLovesTrains One can definitely see the issues with that, plus even gettin' the money to modify all the infrastructure to accommodate 'em. But it'd definitely be nice to see an American adaptation of 'em.
@@JoeyLovesTrains American overhead lines are much higher than European ones. Watch the videos of the Siemens ICE Amtrak trials on the North-East Corridor, they had to fit a ridiculously big pantograph.
Mirza. They do, but they have to be european sizes like Bombardier multilevel coaches for NJT. TGV Duplex are even smaller so they would fit but… the door height is the problem.
Strikes me still why Alstom have chosen for the "power-car" system, instead of the distributed power like their AGV. Normally, the distribution of power hugely increases energy efficiency, but in this case Alstom sacrifices this in favour of modularity?
Berend Noë I think it’s because of the double decker coaches. For distributed power you need mouth space underneath the floor of the passenger deck for the electrical parts like converter or transformer. Because the Siemens Velaro Trains are individually customizable in length. But in the end only Alstom will know:D
It's 100 % outdated technology lol. There's a reason why they're focussing on the interior (which is usually mainly being manufactured by third parties anyway) in this video and not on the powertrain. Double decker high-speed trains are rather unpopular outside France, so I doubt that anyone in Europe besides SNCF will buy these. I have no doubt that it's a cheap train, though. Obviously, that's probably not a good thing.
I've seen other comments say that the Avelia Liberty looks like a train from the 80's. Like how? Meanwhile here people are saying the train looks nice and futuristic. These trains literally have the same power cars except for a few differences and different passenger cars.
Not quite, the Avelia Liberty is for the USA but the Avelia Horizon is not only limited to France, it can be sell all around the world. That's a major difference between this and the previous generation
@@chriswalker1993 well I doubt it, you don't manage the price with the seat location. Furthermore when you use Yield Management, you have to focus on demand. So this seat can be sold at maximum price if it's a fully booked train
Next generation of TGV Duplex, certainly a marvel of capacity. (I wonder whether the AGV is still being marketed too?) From 1:00 we can see the difficulties of double deck trains at 76 cm platforms: Ramps are not enough to cover the difference in elevation, a complex and space-consuming elevator is needed. With a lower platform (55 cm) it would be much easier (just roll into the lower deck). From 1:50 we see a bar car occupying the whole height in the middle ... I wonder who will order this, though, as there are certainly more profitable ways to use the space.
Well no, its easy to build ramps for double deckers for 76cm platforms. But all TGV Duplex have stairs, but no elevator, so disabled people need help for at least getting out. But for 55cm platforms, you still need ramps for the lower deck, because there floor height is normally only 44cm
@@benegou8285 The platform shown here is certainly at 55 cm, which is the French standard. The floor is much lower than that, as the train is only 4,32 m high. And the current Duplexes already have a small elevator in one car, which is made by lifting the steps.
I send this video to Russian TVZ in Tver' - they should know how design interiors and how long windows suppose to be. TVZ passenger carriages is not bad, they are pretty good, especially last double-deckers ones, but can be better.
It's the same exact train except for the pantographs The European GPU type got replaced by a Transtech type something seen on NJ Transit ALP-45DP ALP-46 SEPTA and Amtrak ACS-64.
I wonder if you know the proportion of energy used that goes into traction versus the amount that goes into peripherals? I remember reading somewhere that at cruising speed, it's 60% traction and 40% peripherals (outlets, heating, ventilation, air conditioning...). This seems relatively low for traction, which is why I'm trying to find the source. Je me demande si vous connaissez la part d'énergie utilisée qui part dans la traction par rapport à la part qui va en périphérique? Je me souviens avoir lu quelque part qu'en vitesse de croisière c'est 60% traction 40% périphériques (prises, chauffage, ventilation, air conditionné...). Cela me semble relativement peu pour la traction, c'est pourquoi j'essaie de trouver la source.
If there is a God , we thank him for Alstom. But the credit belongs to this incredible company who will play a major role in saving us from the ravages of climate change.
Très beau train il n’y a pas à dire, le soucis c’est les motrices. Pourquoi ne pas passer aux motrices avec des passagers, à la place des moteurs électriques ?
Ça avait été tenté avec l'AGV Duplex mais ça aurait été très difficile à implanter étant donné que les 2 étages prennent beaucoup de place. Néanmoins le TGV qui a le record du monde de vitesse sur rail était (en plus des motrices) doté de moteurs de traction d'AGV sur certains bogies
If Alstom provide train for the HS2 this is not this one www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
@@Sylvere21 This is for a "classic-compatible" train, so complying with the very narrow and low British loading gauge. A double-decker is impossible in this conditions. Later they might want larger trains for services which run entirely on HS2, but anyway it would have to serve high platforms, so this design is not usable as is.
If Alstom provide train for the HS2 this would be this one : www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
It indeed does look very nice and modern no doubt, but to be honest some of the mentioned features like flexibility concerning the number of cars or high modularity are rather simple, of not basic, and already very common and nothing really new; The wheelchair lift is nice, however it's also another technical feature which can fail, in contrast to pretty simple ramps which I see in many double-deck passenger cars
The modularity is not a "basic/simple" thing for an articulated train like the TGV, removing or add a coach is very difficult and even need a reprogrammation of the operating system off the train
Same thing basically as the Avelia Liberty, but bi-level! Probably should be a bi-level version if the customer needs it. Most of Avelia Liberty's features show up here too. Pretty nice shiny trains to replace the Duplex and Euroduplex.
Liberty is tilting, Horizon is not. Horizon gets advanced international signalisation, higher top speed, and compaitbility with different electrifications.
Liberty tilts, Horizon does not. Tilting is still needed because part of the Northeast Corridor is rather curvy. It's just not a newly built high speed line but an upgraded old line built long ago.
@@uncinarynin correct and for Amtrak they can order these SNCF🇲🇫 type Avelia Double deck coaches with Tilting mechanism for NEC. Max speed is 150-220 mph (240-350 km/h) for Avelia Liberty. Bonus for Avelia Horizon is that it can be made in Upstate NY then shipped out of Port Newark Elizabeth to Bordeaux or La Rochelle 🇲🇫. Remember Joe Biden had a Model of Avelia Liberty 🇺🇸🇲🇫 in 2016. He might use one to his inauguration service.
Most likely customer is SNCF for replacement of Sud-Est, Atlantique. Shorter powercars allow even more passenger space. A double Duplex can already carry more than 1000 passengers at more than 300 km/h. The market here is clearly lines of high demand. (They are trying to sell to Germany too though, where ICE 3 are getting too full on some lines.)
The Avelia Liberty IS the American version of the Avelia Horizon. The Liberty is for the US market and the Horizon for the european market. They can be bought in single level and double deck version.
I wish that these avelia horizons can go to Acela Express II (Chicago, IL to Washington, DC ) or Acela Express III (Atlanta, GA to Washington, DC) That could be an excellent example for Double Decker High Speed Trains (Avelia Horizon)
Maurice Gonzalez You make an interesting point with Atlanta to DC. At the moment, a hsr route is being studied from Atlanta to Charlotte NC. Problem with ur other idea is just that we need to go through mountains and that takes money that apparently no one wants to pony up.
@@yaric2274 Is that so, that from Washington , DC to Atlanta is that they go through mountains? Because, I wasn't sure that on the Northeast Corridor that has mountains other than regular routes. Or, they can pony up from Washington , DC to Charleston, SC , then to Savannah, GA.
Maurice Gonzalez no he meant with the proposal for the route from DC to Chicago. As of right now Amtrak’s long distance Capitol Limited runs between those two cities, and some of the scenery that the route passes through includes mountainous terrain, and with building a high speed line you’d have to tunnel through mountains in order to create a straighter line, resulting in faster speeds. It would be very costly but if it were to get done, it would be a worthwhile project
Not sure, wouldn't it be possible that Duplex/Horizon are used for cross-border French/Italian trains at some point in the future? (In a post-virus future ....)
Had to stop watching as I couldn't stand that awful noise any more. God knows why people spoil otherwise great videos by loud noises or music screaming over them all the time.
Lol, it's from premium beats and i actually pointed that out in a now deleted video of this, so they re uploaded it without the watermark, which i find hilarious
Des portes d'accès plus larges pour débarquer et embarquer le fatras de bagages à CDG sur deux étages sans mettre systématiquement le train en retard c'est plus convaincant que des mots et une jolie musique
@@Sylvere21 Ma mauvaise fois prend systématiquement dix minutes de retard à CDG ... Une valise c'est nickel... Un transfert de pax avion -> TGV quand on embarque une quinzaine de personnes ça fait pitié. la porte est plus large mais il y a deux étages. Ca revient à une porte étroite pour un étage.
@@uncitoyen_8614 Le saviez-vous!! Le Français est parlé sur les cinq continents, donc merci d'arrêter de la limiter à l'hexagon. En plus, aujourd'hui quand je regarde la French TV j'ai besoin d'un dictionnaire français Anglais! Correction french speak in french "Cette teaser s'adresse ne pas aux français because il a déjà été annoncing en France."
@@azelsaga6921 Je comprends bien mais si cette vidéo est en anglais c'est qu'elle s'adresse aux anglophones, il y a déjà une vidéo sur le même thème en français qui elle s'adresse aux francophones.
I prefere the shinkansen. No offense, but this looks like a buch of solutions thrown into a CAD software and put directly into production without question the flow of the forms.
I disagree that Amtrak should get these. There are no tilting double deck trains that I know of - and if there are, the ride on the top level must be rough. Amtrak can increase capacity by adding three more cars to the trainsets they’re ordering. Finally, those single level trains are more accessible. Maybe if higher-ups actually give Amtrak the funding they need to truly build a proper separated high speed route, we may see demand that justifies double-deckers. Until then, the Liberty might be the smarter option for the next 30 years.
If the Alstom factory in Eastern France cannot make them for the French Railway enough might as will make them the same Rochester and Hornell Factories that the American version of this train is built then shipped out from Port Newark,NJ 🇺🇸to Bordeaux or La Rochelle 🇲🇫
A tilting single deck version though ("Avelia Liberty"). Liberty because it dreams of the liberty of going fast on high speed lines that are unlikely to be built during its lifetime. It may be a wonderful train but the required infrastructure is way behind over there.
Wow, this looks terrific! The next time I buy a high-speed train, I'm definitely getting this one 😉
same! i just have to find my nearest dealer tho
same! I just have to find all the money I need tho
Don't forget the AA battery to power your car
The batteries are not included?!
Max Nakano You’ll need to have your own national power infrastructure for that :)
Euroduplex: who are you?
Avelia Horizon: i'm you but cooler
lmao thats really funny! but can the "cooler" version reach 574km/h?
@@ApicationEmail if a train made in the 70s can, then the avelia definetly can
@@ApicationEmail what's the need to go that far tho? What's the point of reaching 500+ km/h if in return it's gonna consume absurd amount of energy and wear out the tracks (which are designed for 320 km/h speeds)? These new trains will consume a LOT less energy (20% less) and their maintenance costs are at least 33% lower, and THOSE are the things that truely matters.
@@ApicationEmailthe euroduplex can't either
Makes me wish we had a better passenger rail system in the United States.
Amtrak is actually getting Alstom Avelia Liberty trainsets which is a version of the train in this video and one prototype set is completed and it's being tested in Pueblo, CO right now. They probably won't be going as fast as the ones in this video but it's something new from Alstom which is always nice. Heres a picture of the prototype: d1c4d7gnm6as1q.cloudfront.net/Pictures/2000x2000fit/2/7/8/30278_amtrakacelaalstomavelialiberty6_515658_crop.jpg
@@itsliamobrien3094 does that really matter though? The trains are not the problem, its the way they use their network. Giving most open slots to slow freight trains, understandable because those companies also own the railways.
@@massimo4683 Yeah you do have a really good point there.
@@massimo4683 Most of the rail network is owned by those freight companies. Not much Amtrak can do. Anyway, for HSR, we need to build new track to be able to handle the high speeds and frequencies.
@@kirkrotger9208 yeah i know, thats what i said
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What do you do? Customer support? 😆
Matt Kennedy Alstom make many metro coaches in India.
yeah you definetely not an alstom employee
Already loving the futuristic look and design. This is hyping up the competition with siemens velaro novo.
Velaro novo is way cooler though
The bar looks amazing
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I feel like this video is basically just a mod in C:S.
It's a shame we'll most likely never see double-decker trains in the UK, I've been on some in Europe and great how essentially just being a few metres higher off the ground can make a train journey much more exciting
they are pretty common in my area in southern Germany; A rather interesting train set here runs a single double-decker car in between several normal cars
Might be on entire lines with larger loading gauge; I think HS1 and HS2 would allow doubledeck trains but they couldn't go on classic UK lines which are much more restricted in size.
They're pretty common here in the USA
I like the bar design by removing the 2nd floor.
Yeah, in the TGV (the model is clearly based off of it) there's only one floor, for basically no reason (I guess they stock food there but no need for an entire floor)
Totally. You needn't even sit in your seat at all.
@@ronylouis0 No, under the bar of the TGV Duplex it is technical rooms for electrical hardware. Those are moved at other places (mostly into the power cars, I think) in this new model.
We could use this in the US.
@@falcoflare2898 the us has this kind of train
We need these for HS2 in the UK.
We really do
Amtrak should've gotten like 2 trainsets of these along with their Avelia Liberties, they're so cool.
There are so many compatibility issue, but I do agree, they should’ve gotten 1 or 2 of them. (The rails and voltages aren’t the issue, it’s the door height, and the size of the train, it could probably fit under American wires, but it’d probably have issues in the station
@@JoeyLovesTrains One can definitely see the issues with that, plus even gettin' the money to modify all the infrastructure to accommodate 'em. But it'd definitely be nice to see an American adaptation of 'em.
@@JoeyLovesTrains American overhead lines are much higher than European ones. Watch the videos of the Siemens ICE Amtrak trials on the North-East Corridor, they had to fit a ridiculously big pantograph.
Tunnels on the NEC won't allow for bilevel cars.
Mirza. They do, but they have to be european sizes like Bombardier multilevel coaches for NJT.
TGV Duplex are even smaller so they would fit but… the door height is the problem.
Strikes me still why Alstom have chosen for the "power-car" system, instead of the distributed power like their AGV. Normally, the distribution of power hugely increases energy efficiency, but in this case Alstom sacrifices this in favour of modularity?
Berend Noë I think it’s because of the double decker coaches. For distributed power you need mouth space underneath the floor of the passenger deck for the electrical parts like converter or transformer. Because the Siemens Velaro Trains are individually customizable in length. But in the end only Alstom will know:D
@@lukasdell134 Double deck Shinkansens are EMUs
It's 100 % outdated technology lol. There's a reason why they're focussing on the interior (which is usually mainly being manufactured by third parties anyway) in this video and not on the powertrain. Double decker high-speed trains are rather unpopular outside France, so I doubt that anyone in Europe besides SNCF will buy these. I have no doubt that it's a cheap train, though. Obviously, that's probably not a good thing.
@@olli2591 they should have gone for the AGV
@@olli2591 DB is investing in Double decker trains (ic2), theres rumours that the next ice might be one as well
The Avelia Liberty is for the USA
The Avelia Horizon is for France
*alrighty?*
Exactly!
I've seen other comments say that the Avelia Liberty looks like a train from the 80's. Like how? Meanwhile here people are saying the train looks nice and futuristic. These trains literally have the same power cars except for a few differences and different passenger cars.
Not quite, the Avelia Liberty is for the USA but the Avelia Horizon is not only limited to France, it can be sell all around the world. That's a major difference between this and the previous generation
@@acegarr22 it looks very futuristic
J’ai hâte que ce nouveau TGV soit en service
a state of the art train! beautiful! alstom is always a step forward💪
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1:48 the seat by the stairs would suck
Nah. It isnt too bad. And it would probably be cheaper as well
Said the exact same thing when I saw it.
@@AnonYmous-dh2zt I once was seated their in a tgv due to DB cancelled another train , it was ok
@@chriswalker1993 well I doubt it, you don't manage the price with the seat location. Furthermore when you use Yield Management, you have to focus on demand. So this seat can be sold at maximum price if it's a fully booked train
It actually looks quite cosy
Next generation of TGV Duplex, certainly a marvel of capacity. (I wonder whether the AGV is still being marketed too?)
From 1:00 we can see the difficulties of double deck trains at 76 cm platforms: Ramps are not enough to cover the difference in elevation, a complex and space-consuming elevator is needed. With a lower platform (55 cm) it would be much easier (just roll into the lower deck).
From 1:50 we see a bar car occupying the whole height in the middle ... I wonder who will order this, though, as there are certainly more profitable ways to use the space.
Well no, its easy to build ramps for double deckers for 76cm platforms. But all TGV Duplex have stairs, but no elevator, so disabled people need help for at least getting out.
But for 55cm platforms, you still need ramps for the lower deck, because there floor height is normally only 44cm
@@benegou8285 The platform shown here is certainly at 55 cm, which is the French standard. The floor is much lower than that, as the train is only 4,32 m high.
And the current Duplexes already have a small elevator in one car, which is made by lifting the steps.
I send this video to Russian TVZ in Tver' - they should know how design interiors and how long windows suppose to be. TVZ passenger carriages is not bad, they are pretty good, especially last double-deckers ones, but can be better.
I just filmed the 1rst ever 1978 TGV 01 during its farewell tour :)
Published on 2nd of March!! I am liking this video because that is the date of my birthday
I like the Alstom design..
I guess those are the new tgvs
Yep!
We have to wait until 2024
They better make me want to take this train again
Alstom, why does the Liberty traction car (engine) have a different side profile than the coaches?
Because the traction car is made for these coaches, but US restrictions led to having to design different coaches
Absolutely beautiful.
Actually, second thoughts from the original upload, this train is AWESOME!
Outsoudingly unbelievable! It looks like the Avelia Liberty, except it is a bilevel-type high speed train.
I wish this new train is built for high speed rail service in North America (The USA)
It's the same exact train except for the pantographs The European GPU type got replaced by a Transtech type something seen on NJ Transit ALP-45DP ALP-46 SEPTA and Amtrak ACS-64.
@@EpicThe112 - SEPTA got 15 ACS-64 Sprinters.
listen to the music at 1.25x.........Definately a rock upbeat
This is definitely the best looking train... in the world.
Hello from India. India is privatising part of the railway network. Hope someone buys this for India. The layout is beautifully designed
That's just incredible...
So that thing is just a TGV but with lighter fabric, I guess that is innovation!
I wonder if you know the proportion of energy used that goes into traction versus the amount that goes into peripherals? I remember reading somewhere that at cruising speed, it's 60% traction and 40% peripherals (outlets, heating, ventilation, air conditioning...). This seems relatively low for traction, which is why I'm trying to find the source.
Je me demande si vous connaissez la part d'énergie utilisée qui part dans la traction par rapport à la part qui va en périphérique? Je me souviens avoir lu quelque part qu'en vitesse de croisière c'est 60% traction 40% périphériques (prises, chauffage, ventilation, air conditionné...).
Cela me semble relativement peu pour la traction, c'est pourquoi j'essaie de trouver la source.
j'ai hâte de le filmer
Mdr tu veux tout filmer 😂🤣😂🤣
If there is a God , we thank him for Alstom. But the credit belongs to this incredible company who will play a major role in saving us from the ravages of climate change.
Très beau train il n’y a pas à dire, le soucis c’est les motrices. Pourquoi ne pas passer aux motrices avec des passagers, à la place des moteurs électriques ?
avec double étage, on ne peut pas motoriser les voitures de voyageurs. désolé par mon français. salute...
Ça avait été tenté avec l'AGV Duplex mais ça aurait été très difficile à implanter étant donné que les 2 étages prennent beaucoup de place. Néanmoins le TGV qui a le record du monde de vitesse sur rail était (en plus des motrices) doté de moteurs de traction d'AGV sur certains bogies
Brightline from LA to Vegas should definitely buy these! That open air bar at 1:56 would be such a draw on the train to Sin City!
Bel ensemble. N'arrêtent pas le progrès.
J'aimerais les voir en Allemagne un jour !
Would be great to see these operating on HS2 in the UK. Although it'll be a very long time until we see anything.
If Alstom provide train for the HS2 this is not this one
www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
@@Sylvere21 This is for a "classic-compatible" train, so complying with the very narrow and low British loading gauge. A double-decker is impossible in this conditions.
Later they might want larger trains for services which run entirely on HS2, but anyway it would have to serve high platforms, so this design is not usable as is.
These avelias are absolutely great! Maybe these can be the ones for HS2!😝
If Alstom provide train for the HS2 this would be this one :
www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
@@Sylvere21 Think so, we'll see......
@@kaij.d7307 We'll find out soon....
Bonjour, la nouvelle unité TGV M va-t-elle vaincre la vitesse précédente, qui est désormais supérieure à 500 km/h ?
I really like the unique concept bar. I hope you take this concept for the new high speed train sets in Germany. And win the tender.
It indeed does look very nice and modern no doubt, but to be honest some of the mentioned features like flexibility concerning the number of cars or high modularity are rather simple, of not basic, and already very common and nothing really new; The wheelchair lift is nice, however it's also another technical feature which can fail, in contrast to pretty simple ramps which I see in many double-deck passenger cars
The modularity is not a "basic/simple" thing for an articulated train like the TGV, removing or add a coach is very difficult and even need a reprogrammation of the operating system off the train
@@Sylvere21 well it's pretty much standard on modern train sets, of course all that goes along with more work-intensive details
@@EnjoyFirefightingit's very much not standard on any high speed train set in the world
Another Alstom video were the music is fighting with the visuals. Music should enhance!
Nice job, Alstom !!!
Only doors between the cariages are missing.
Looks nice ¿but can climb?
Nice but my country uses metre guage. Lol. Can't speeding much and COG must really low to maintain stability, right?
In which country is that ?
@@MrGregHiller malaysia
@@ahan300 they would probably build an new High speed line and will be build with standard gauge 1435mm
Same thing basically as the Avelia Liberty, but bi-level! Probably should be a bi-level version if the customer needs it. Most of Avelia Liberty's features show up here too. Pretty nice shiny trains to replace the Duplex and Euroduplex.
Liberty is tilting, Horizon is not.
Horizon gets advanced international signalisation, higher top speed, and compaitbility with different electrifications.
Liberty tilts, Horizon does not. Tilting is still needed because part of the Northeast Corridor is rather curvy. It's just not a newly built high speed line but an upgraded old line built long ago.
@@uncinarynin correct and for Amtrak they can order these SNCF🇲🇫 type Avelia Double deck coaches with Tilting mechanism for NEC. Max speed is 150-220 mph (240-350 km/h) for Avelia Liberty. Bonus for Avelia Horizon is that it can be made in Upstate NY then shipped out of Port Newark Elizabeth to Bordeaux or La Rochelle 🇲🇫. Remember Joe Biden had a Model of Avelia Liberty 🇺🇸🇲🇫 in 2016. He might use one to his inauguration service.
0:46 座席配置は変えられても、それに合わせて窓配置を変えることはできないのか。
Please Alstom bring it to India!! 🙏🙏🙏
India? Ha! It won’t even last a day In that place!
Once the covid 19 disease will go, I would travel to France and ride this train
This train will not be into service until 2023
The dream to drive one day!
BI level Avelia Liberty?
No, the Avelia Liberty is based on the Avelia Horizon, not the contrary
@@Sylvere21 pretty sure that they were developed alongside each other and neither are based off the other.
Wow, is this an update for the TGV duplex, or for the HS2?
Most likely customer is SNCF for replacement of Sud-Est, Atlantique. Shorter powercars allow even more passenger space. A double Duplex can already carry more than 1000 passengers at more than 300 km/h. The market here is clearly lines of high demand. (They are trying to sell to Germany too though, where ICE 3 are getting too full on some lines.)
This HS2 will get this train if Alstom is chosen :
www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
Anybody else out there wish the Liberty was just an American adaptation of the Horizon?
I mean we have what we have, there’s no two ways about that.
The Avelia Liberty IS the American version of the Avelia Horizon. The Liberty is for the US market and the Horizon for the european market. They can be bought in single level and double deck version.
Dear ALSTOM officials, TGV's last speed 574 Km/h what' Avelia's last speed?
The TGV is an Avelia
I hope it runs in India too after Japanese shinkansen
NS?
France 🇫🇷
Awesome technology
What country is it made in? Queensland QR could use them.
For now all TGVs are only made in France (exception made for the new Avelia Liberty that is build in the US)
France
What happend actual acela design ?
You're talking about the Avelia Liberty, not the Horizon
@@Sylvere21 yes but it is also different from avelia liberty concept
@@supritimroy7216 you just said it, or was a concept, not the final thing
What is the purpose of that thing( rotating thing) ? ...when PH people onboard
There are two floors on these trains, the 1st being lower so that thing is needed so they can access it
Quid accessibilité pmr?
I wish that these avelia horizons can go to Acela Express II (Chicago, IL to Washington, DC ) or Acela Express III (Atlanta, GA to Washington, DC)
That could be an excellent example for Double Decker High Speed Trains (Avelia Horizon)
Maurice Gonzalez
You make an interesting point with Atlanta to DC. At the moment, a hsr route is being studied from Atlanta to Charlotte NC.
Problem with ur other idea is just that we need to go through mountains and that takes money that apparently no one wants to pony up.
@@yaric2274 Is that so, that from Washington , DC to Atlanta is that they go through mountains? Because, I wasn't sure that on the Northeast Corridor that has mountains other than regular routes. Or, they can pony up from Washington , DC to Charleston, SC , then to Savannah, GA.
Maurice Gonzalez no he meant with the proposal for the route from DC to Chicago. As of right now Amtrak’s long distance Capitol Limited runs between those two cities, and some of the scenery that the route passes through includes mountainous terrain, and with building a high speed line you’d have to tunnel through mountains in order to create a straighter line, resulting in faster speeds. It would be very costly but if it were to get done, it would be a worthwhile project
Speed of 217 miles/hour , Los angeles to Las vegas in almost 1 hour.. cool
hope this come to India railways soon.
There is not railway in India that could support the weight and speed of this train
@@Sylvere21 these are light trains these double decker trains could even be lighter then some older single level trains
Need longer videos nice prototype train will henerate big bucks from rancho Cucamonga to vegas or los angeles to san francisco even 60.00 each way
Nice train!!!!
Super cool!! 👍👍
Je me demande😕 💭 quand t'est-ce ce TGV🚄va voir le jour en France en plus sa va être un lieu de vie !
2022
Here's something we'll never see in Italy! 😔😔
Not sure, wouldn't it be possible that Duplex/Horizon are used for cross-border French/Italian trains at some point in the future?
(In a post-virus future ....)
che te frega, l'Etr400/Frecciarossa 1000 è superiore praticamente in tutto
Is this for HS2?
No, This Is For InQui (TGV)
@@kornseemarcell9502 InOui
HS2 could use similar trains
@@paname514 it won't if Alstom is chosen :
www.alstom.com/fr/press-releases-news/2019/6/alstom-devoile-le-design-de-son-train-propose-pour-hs2
Alstom and Hitachi will be building it
Had to stop watching as I couldn't stand that awful noise any more.
God knows why people spoil otherwise great videos by loud noises or music screaming over them all the time.
Lol, it's from premium beats and i actually pointed that out in a now deleted video of this, so they re uploaded it without the watermark, which i find hilarious
Des portes d'accès plus larges pour débarquer et embarquer le fatras de bagages à CDG sur deux étages sans mettre systématiquement le train en retard c'est plus convaincant que des mots et une jolie musique
Ça c'est de la mauvaise foi, les portes des TGV Duplex actuel on clairement des portes assez larges pour une personne et une énorme valise
@@Sylvere21 Ma mauvaise fois prend systématiquement dix minutes de retard à CDG ... Une valise c'est nickel... Un transfert de pax avion -> TGV quand on embarque une quinzaine de personnes ça fait pitié. la porte est plus large mais il y a deux étages. Ca revient à une porte étroite pour un étage.
Just love it
So the coach drops down from the sky
MOROCCO ... Marrakesh to Agadir soon 🇲🇦😍
That train should simply be called the "Marrakesh Express," in homage to the song of that name.
The TGV of the future
Name of song?
Winter The Wolf-husky wrecking ball I believe
@@MrJimheeren Thx
Why isn’t this going to England, we love our modern trains but this is so much better.
The gauge of TGV Duplex is not compatible with England railway, but Alstom may in the near future supply HST for the HS2
@@Sylvere21what ? The UK uses standard gauge too lmao
@@unepintade sorry I meant the train width is not compatible,
I hope this one will work in korea
SBB should buy that one
French subtitles please (Alstom est -encore- une entreprise française)
Ils n'ont pas besoin de faire de pub en France ^^
Cette vidéo s'adresse pas aux français car il a déjà été annoncé en France.
@@3x3-x3x-oXo Le saviez-vous!! Le Français est une langue officiel dans plusieurs pays, donc merci d'arrêter de la limiter à un unique pays!!
@@uncitoyen_8614 Le saviez-vous!! Le Français est parlé sur les cinq continents, donc merci d'arrêter de la limiter à l'hexagon. En plus, aujourd'hui quand je regarde la French TV j'ai besoin d'un dictionnaire français Anglais!
Correction french speak in french "Cette teaser s'adresse ne pas aux français because il a déjà été annoncing en France."
@@azelsaga6921 Je comprends bien mais si cette vidéo est en anglais c'est qu'elle s'adresse aux anglophones, il y a déjà une vidéo sur le même thème en français qui elle s'adresse aux francophones.
This video is back!
Nice. Now please fix the Ottawa LRT.
I prefere the shinkansen. No offense, but this looks like a buch of solutions thrown into a CAD software and put directly into production without question the flow of the forms.
OMG !!! BEAUTIFUL😱🤤😮🤐
I prefer the Velaro and AGV ;)
I'm more of a Shinkansen kinda guy
so its pretty much a double-decker avelia
The single decker is the Avelia Liberty and this one the Avelia Horizon
Incredible, wonder how it compares to Chinese HSR sets (based of course, on stolen proprietary technologies)
I disagree that Amtrak should get these. There are no tilting double deck trains that I know of - and if there are, the ride on the top level must be rough. Amtrak can increase capacity by adding three more cars to the trainsets they’re ordering. Finally, those single level trains are more accessible.
Maybe if higher-ups actually give Amtrak the funding they need to truly build a proper separated high speed route, we may see demand that justifies double-deckers. Until then, the Liberty might be the smarter option for the next 30 years.
The Avelia Liberty is not double decker.
@@nervun8097 I know…
If the Alstom factory in Eastern France cannot make them for the French Railway enough might as will make them the same Rochester and Hornell Factories that the American version of this train is built then shipped out from Port Newark,NJ 🇺🇸to Bordeaux or La Rochelle 🇲🇫
Too bad we in North America won't see any of this.
A tilting single deck version though ("Avelia Liberty"). Liberty because it dreams of the liberty of going fast on high speed lines that are unlikely to be built during its lifetime. It may be a wonderful train but the required infrastructure is way behind over there.
That's sounds great
Looking forward 😆
Ilyen kéne a MÁV-nak!
The engines look too short and weird but the rest looks okay
Mouais on est plus trop dans le concept du tgv français mais ça marche...
LazerTrain si on y est toujours