ASMR 3 centres, 3 dialect families: The German Language (soft spoken, map tracing)
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- German has a reputation of sounding harsh and militaristic. But did you know that there are many different versions of this language, sometimes so different in vocabulary and pronunciation, that even native speakers can't understand each other? Let's have a closer look today at the 3 main centres of German - Germany, Austria and Switzerland - and how they overlap with the 3 big dialect families. As always, this video is soft spoken and features plenty of map tracing. I hope you'll find it both interesting and relaxing!
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Ressources used:
dtv-Atlas Deutsche Sprache (Sadly I'm not aware of an English translation):
www.dtv.de/buch/werner-koenig...
German standard varieties (from Ulrich Ammon, Variantenwörterbuch des Deutschen, which I recommend very much if you're looking for a reliable resource on the differences between current Germany, Austria and Switzerland German)
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
German dialects:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
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Lots of people do map tracing ASMR but I like how you use different maps to explain a complete topic :)
So thoroughly germanic. I listen and watch, and dream of Goethe in his gartenhaus in weimar. Perhaps you sound like gretchen, ohne the spinning wheel. Viellicht. You spin circles on maps, as Goethe spun circles on the magical map of his divine mind. Noel
I wouldn't want you all to get bored haha. Thank you, Mike!
Oh wow, thank you, Noel! I'm thrilled that this resonated to strongly with you.
@@MelangeASMR life resonates strongly with me. I'm blessed to be half German and half English. And quite gifted. Nice. Currently writing a new play. Do check my channel out. Some rather interesting things on there. Although you may get lost and be there forever and a day. Auf wiedersehen. Papageno, Joyeux Noel
I'm from Switzerland. It's actually crazy how many dialects there are for example we have about 10 very distinguishable dialects in Switzerland and some of them can be hard to understand even if you speak Swiss-German (high allemanic). But it's quite easy as a Swiss to understand most of the other German dialects somehow (except Plattdeutsch or very strong Austrian dialects).
Ok the fact that even people from Switzerland have trouble understanding one another is actually quite reassuring haha. But I find it really neat that dialects are so prevalent in Switzerland; I wish it was normal to hear a little more dialect on Austrian TV or radio as well. There's so much history and richness there, it'd be a shame to lose it.
im portuguese and i can understand some romansh, i hope that language never dies
As someone learning German, and having an interest in history, this video is AMAZING
thank you so much
I like how this soft spoken is closer to a whisper
Standard German can be found in Niedersachsen, presumably around Hannover. Definitely not in Saxony or Thuringia. They have very strong dialects there that can be difficult to understand. I always pity foreign speakers that come here with their standard German and arrive in an area with a strong dialect and don't understand a thing. By the way, even for more Northern German speakers Frisian is like a foreign language. Fascinating to listen to.
Aaah of course, that's a mix up - I know what sächsisch sounds like! 😭
Yeah, same here. German is wild in that regard. It's really bizarre to me how Romance languages seem to have this basic level of mututal intelligibility, and I can't even understand every version of German in my own country haha.
Frisian is really interesting. I'm not sure the card is correct in featuring it as a variant of German or whether it isn't actually removed enough to be a separate language, also considering how close it is to English. But yeah, I really hope I'll have another chance to hear it live and in person some day.
Yep, like Prof. Polenz wrote in his standard work about German language history, the population of northern Germany was culturally suppressed beginning in the mid 16th century in a process that’s also been called an internal colonization. They were basically forced to learn Standard German.
Just discovered this channel this is the 6 video I’ve binged top, I’ve loved all of them.
Soft voice ✅
Foreign (to me) accent ✅
History ✅
Maps ✅
Tracing 👌
Aah thank you, Steven, that's wonderful to hear! The foreign accent is Austrian, just a little softer than Arnie lol.
Dutch and Frisian are languages and no dialects. Being Dutch I understand only a little bit of Frisian, which is still spoken in the Dutch province of Friesland. It's interesting to see that also in Dutch the German words as deerne and wicht are used and funny to know that the Austrian word for Kartoffel is Erdapfel like aardappel in Dutch☺️ Love your videos❤️
True, Dutch and Frisian are included just because they're closely related languages in the area, not because the author meant to imply that they're actually German. Though I'm pretty sure North Germans who speak dialect probably understand Dutch better than they would understand me when I speak dialect 😅 It's a wild language.
@@MelangeASMR For sure Germans from Ostfriesland and Northern part understand quite a lot of Dutch. And till about 100 years ago there was much more German words and cases in Dutch. We all study German at school. Being a linguist I love your videos about all the languages and it’s origin. Bravissima 🌻
It was an amzing video. My family is half austrian, half portuguese and I grew up in Pt and mostly with there influce of the portuguese language. But, as it tends to happen with bilingual people I tend to speak a stronger version of my local dialect. Only...in Portugal most of comon people would simpy e refuse the ideia of "dialects" . 900 years of independence and 50 of ditatorial regime convinced them that they all speak the same only with different pronunciations...worst than that, part of the population thinks that they speak the correct standart version and that everybody else should correct their way to it. I can't tell you how many conflicts I had with some members of my family arround this question until it hit me, in my late 20's that portuguese is a living language just like german, with several different versions, and I searched it and found out that all the time I was being corrected I was only using one of the 10 different dialects registered in my country....
Thank you for this comment, that's really interesting! It's weird how dialects are both so prominent in most of our lives and at the same time, at least around here, they are pretty much absent from education, so it's difficult to really develop an understanding of your own language use. But everyone thinking that their specific way of speaking is the correct one definitely sounds familiar haha.
@@MelangeASMR and when I studied a little German here in Portugal the teacher told me I sounded Austrian....so I suppose there is never a "corret" way of speak
Oh but that's clearly a compliment!
Another highly engaging and utterly relaxing video. Thanks for all you do!
Another fantastic video Melange, informative and interesting as always, thanks for posting 😀👍
Thank you, Steve! That's some great feedback 😊😇
@@MelangeASMR I enjoy listening to Wolfgang Ambros and Wiener Wahnsinn, this was when I first realised there are some big differences between German and Austrian dialect German 😀
Yet another amazing ASMR video! The side camera continues to trace her hand movement so it must be manually operated, a two-person effort!!!! ❤️ thx for posting!
That's correct haha, there's two of us. Thank you for comments and support, you're too kind! 💖
Another highly relaxing video. Well done as usual ❤
Thank you, Chris! 🧡
Thank you a lot for the video. I am currently learning German and this topic was very useful for more in-depth understanding of culture
Thank you, I'm glad you found it useful! It's not an easy language to begin with and the differences across countries don't really help haha.
Hi, I saw this and just *had* to comment -- by my understanding, Frisian is *definitely* not a dialect of German. It's not only a different language, but it forms a different sub-branch of the Germanic language family, along with English; English and Frisian are each other's closest living relatives. And as I'm sure you can tell they're certainly not mutually intelligible!
Anyway, I absolutely love your content; it scratches an itch I've had for a long time. Please keep it up!
Sadly frisian is dying out, it sounds very funny when people talk it.
Isn’t Frisian like low German? And low German is basically a mix of German and English
@@jordiis Plattdeutsch is not even remotely English wtf
Also Frisian is in part a German dialect.
@@jordiis There are no English influences in German dialects, only vice versa.
Thank you very much for this. When I first moved to Germany, I lived in Hessen. Later, I lived in B-W then Bavaria and traveled a lot. I remember that the name for Knoedel (dumpling) was different all over. My recollection is that Pilzen are the small gray mushrooms and Champignon are the large white ones--we used both terms for different things. One question I had on my mind earlier was which term is used where for Saturday--thank you for addressing that one. The Pfingstag for Thursday was a shocker--never expected that or heard it before.
German dialects are wild, especially in the South, and I fully understanding anyone becoming very frustrated with the language when you move here. Some of the words like Pfingstag are very obscure by now, though, I think I've only heard it once from my Great-Grandma.
Yeah Champignons is one type of Pilz. In Austria (and I imagine also in Bavaria) we say Schwammerl for the edible parts and Pilz is fungus in general.
Thank you for another thoughtful video. I read that the brothers Grimm were actually professors of language in Kassel, and helped putting the first German dictionary together. Hence the ‘standard’ German speech today or Hochdeutch originating from the middle part.
True, that is certainly also part of the reason, though overall, the Lower and Upper German varieties (and the regions where those are spoken) had already lost influence at that point. There used to be an Austrian written standard called Kanzleideutsch that was closer to our dialect and I think I will always be said that it wasn't developed further lol.
In the time of Goethe and Schiller the Saxon dialect was the Standart German. Later on because of for example the Brothers Grimm that changed.
Amazing vid, so many of my favourite things! Gut gemacht :)
Oh I'm glad to hear that, ich danke dir!
Perfekt gespielt! 😂😂😂
I love this video! I wish it was better asmr for me, i need more scratching and tapping not silent map tracing, but the book itself is really cool. I think a lot of ppl in America don't understand that each country in europe doesn't just speak one language. Germany and Italy especially bc they unified so recently. I think here in america we generalize european culture so much and ppl don't realize the diversity. Ill have to try and find english equivalents to books like this, i love linguistics. Ok the asmr part got better for me as it went on!
Hey Rachel, thank you so much! I'm very happy the video worked for you in the end - I know there's a specific expectation a lot of us have when it comes to ASMR and it takes a little to get used to these triggers being absent. Personally I really like visual ASMR, so I'm trying to focus more on that :)
My understanding about US English is that the reason it is mostly the same throughout the country is because it was so recently that English speaking people came here and even more recently (probably around WWI or WWII) that English fully became the primary or sole language of most residents. Before then it was actually pretty common for people to speak German or whatever their home country language was at home, even if they also had to know English for business purposes and such. To my knowledge, there’s not any widespread truly separate dialects of US English. (There may be some smaller pockets that could potentially be considered a dialect, like Appalachian for example, but in general, as a Wisconsinite I have very rarely had any trouble understanding anyone from anywhere in the country, even if it’s super far from Wisconsin). If you are interested in how language has spread throughout North America historically, I’d recommend studying the Indigenous languages, how those are grouped into families, their ranges, etc. Much longer and richer history for those here.
By contrast, modern day Germany (& the surrounding countries, of course) has already had thousands of years of history of various Germanic languages being spoken in the region, different people groups migrating, conquering, etc. I think it is actually a pretty interesting comparison vs. US English because I wonder if the US will ever develop fully unique dialects given our modern technology which makes communication across long distances commonplace and also the unlikelihood of mass migration/ conquest (at least in the near future). It’s interesting to think about for sure!
Imagine a German learning standard English then going on holiday to Liverpool or Newcastle they wouldn't stand a chance.
I have no doubts about that haha
That´s because the language that is worldwide know as "English" is basically derived from the language spoken in and around London.
Low Saxon/Low German is also an own language
wollt asmr zum einschlafen, war aber zu interessant zum schlafen ^^
ich hoffe, es war zumindest sehr entspannend! 😅
My father has a different edition of Atlas der Deutscher Sprache. I always found it fascinating, too, and wishing there was the same thing for Czech (because even in this comparatively smaller country we have lots of dialects). Should take a look in it again when I next visit. :-)
It's also interesting to see where the words of German origin in Czech (often also dialectical) come from. One word for potatoes is "erteple". ;-)
It's such a great book! Sadly the dialects aren't always highly regarded, so I just love seeing a book dedicated to the varieties in them, it's so fascinating. And how cool that it exists for Czech too! It would probably be pretty enlightening to look through, considering how much Czech used to be spoken in Vienna. Erteple sounds so cute haha, love it!
Oh and I can't find your comment on the art nouveau churches in Brno anymore - it landed in moderation and youtube is a bit wonky with showing those comments once they're approved, but I found it really interesting and I think I'll have to add a trip to Brno to my traveling list. It really isn't far, after all, I don't know why I've never been 😅
@@MelangeASMR Actually, I'm not aware that it exists in Czech... father has the German one.
I wanted to say I'd never been to Vienna, but then I realised I had. :D Only very briefly many many years ago, though, we only had little time between trains (we were staying in Lienz) so I only saw a botanical garden near a railway station. :-)
I find it interesting that you say that the word pertaining to food and the culinary arts are the most distinct in Austrian German, because in my dialect of Low German it is very similar. My family comes from Poland as Prussians (from the Posen-Westpreussen county of Dramburg as it used to be called) and we use a lot of Slavic words for the same topics.
Bierock from Pierog (Pierogi)
Tschisnick from Czosnek (Garlic)
Arbus from Arbuz (Watermelon)
Kruschke from Gruszka (Pear)
Koss from Kaza (Goat)
Wrenj from Russian Varenje (a fruit preserve)
Bockelzhon from Bakłażan (Eggplant)
Blott from Błoto (Mud)
We also have some words that come from Old Prussian like Kommst (Cabbage), Kujjel (Wild Boar), Mejal (Girl), and Schock (Root; Ierdschock is potato, literally Earthroot).
Also Pogg is the Low German word for Frog so Poggenstaul literally is Frogstool, like English Toadstool or Dutch Paddestoel. We have many words for to hurry, too, such as sik spooden, bosen, reflen, striepen, etc...
I love that!! Thank you so much for sharing; I find that absolutely fascinating.
@@MelangeASMR Unfortunately variants of High (the language of the aristocracy and urban populations) and Low (language of the peasantry) Prussian have gone extinct in Germany proper and it is Eastern Europeans and Americans (I'm referring to the people in both continents) who are keeping the language alive. The town my grandparents came from in Poland mostly spoken Low German and Kashubian and no one spoke standard Polish, but now it is the opposite after the Polish expulsion of German ethnic peoples (even though we had been living in the area going back hundreds to even 1000 years with borders having little influence on Slavic and Germanic migration across the Oder) post-WWII and with the promotion of the Polish language over native Kashubian in Northwestern Poland. European nationalism has been the biggest threat to Low German dialects as every country standardizes language and attacks the local variants.
I have learnt much about the German language here.
I took it granted that there were just the standard german and dialect.
I had no idea that different regions of Germany had there own standard form of the language that another region wouldn't understand.
That's wonderful to hear, thank you!
And yeah, the wild part is that most German native speakers don't realize either just how far apart the dialects really are. Frankly I don't even think I can understand all speakers of my own dialect region lol.
@@MelangeASMR 😄👌👍
Sehr gut
Dankeschön!
This looks like a very good book. I studied German in school for 4 years. I prefer the platt German dialect. Easier for me. I speak English and Danish so closer to those languages.
Yes, I imagine Platt would be a lot easier for you. Honestly, for me it's so far away, I have trouble understanding it haha. German is a strange language like that.
Klasse interessantes Video. :)
Schwäbisch bester Dialekt. :)
Dankeschön! 😊
Watching this video while eating German Chocolate Cake!! Interesting how many German dialects there are!
That sounds like excellent combo! Haha yeah, and sometimes people don't speak standard German and then you're just lost, even as a native speaker...
@@MelangeASMR yes indeed.
It’s funny how the Austrian word for corn is the same as the one we use in Transylvania xD
I wonder how that came to be, maybe due to the German speaking population in Romania…
Ah I didn't know that haha, nice! Apparently it's borrowed from Serbocroatian and a similar word exists in a couple of Slavic languages, so maybe it's a regional thing.
Back to this video again, and I laughed because in Hebrew we also call a potato an “earth/dirt apple” 😂
Ahaha love that!
Plattdeutsch (north german) is recognized as its own language
Fingers crossed it'll help with reviving it!
@@MelangeASMR indeed, I have learned some poems and vocabulary in kindergarten, but overall it had a big decline over the past decades
Ok, I'm probably just slow but is someone holding the camera?
Yes, you're correct :) There's two of us.
14.07.2022
What dialect is Kärtnerisch? I live in Klagenfurt.
Kärntnerisch is a Southern Bavaro-Austrian dialect :)
@@MelangeASMR thank you 😊 I very much enjoy your videos.
Ich dachte jeder nennt Mädchen „Lüt“ 😅
Strongly disagree with eastern german being the most understandable lol. Western German is the easiest imo.
Haha yeah, I mixed something up there.
That's only because the west has had stronger standardization.
Dont give Germany any ideas now
Deutsche Sprache Schwere Sprache. 100%
Das stimmt...