I mean, Vedal is right, Neuro is spoiled. Do you know anyone around you that give a 2 years old child a self built PC, a dog, a sister because she wanted and unrestricted Internet access?
tbf we need to compare ai age like we compare dogs and cats, their growth rate is kind of different compared to humans. neuro currently would be considered a 13 14 years old girl right now
So spoiled. You can clearly see it in Minecraft where she's asking (demanding) for items, and people just give it to her. I think Toma is better in that regard, at least from what I've seen, where she's reprimanding Neuro somewhat and trying to steer her in a better direction. If people said "no" to her more often, I think that would change a lot.
@@IWatchTH-camzI thought the Evil Toma vibes were good yesterday. Evil actually doing what she was saying to some extent, Toma helping her so she wasn't getting distracted and Evil listening to her and not just randomly PvPing
@@Flowthap It's true, but only if you count the one at the start that isnt full version of the gif since it's already most of the way through the gif when the clip starts. source: i calculated how long the gif is frame by frame times 75
tutel is so stoic his 2 frame model captures his emotions perfectly, frame 1 goes through all range from wtf to ok im listening and frame 2 ranges from sarcastic as to an actual response. could just be me though i find this humorous
I think it's funnier that you actually have to read further into his model to see his emotions. Like with Bao and Sinder, you know EXACTLY what they're doing even without their EXTREMELY expressive models but tutel has RULES. He shrinks when he moves back physically, his default model face is a smile but also shows that his face isn't being properly read because his GENUINE smile has a blush. If the face freezes, Vedal moved to the side and away from his computer.
@getthedunkon9347 The real question is not how do we make another Neuro-sama, but how do we make another Vedal. This behavior analysis will be very valuable, we need to track every movement, every moment for the perfect Vedal clone.
@@uponeric36 Vedal in chara ai is quite canonical since he can be more humane than the usual Vedal (joke) but the chara ai have really progressed quite well, some day people will get clone
honestly this stream was fascinating because we got to hear more of the tech talk about how things work behind the scenes. its not often that Vedal gets to chat with someone with a high level of tech literacy.
Honestly hearing that Thor hung out with Vedal at Cons already makes me really wanna see a collab of them just yapping about AI. I know it's not Thor's specialty but I feel like he will be able to ask some solid questions.
I love the nerd talk in here, i love that they always able to absorb every info dump they give even with the more awkward atmosphere that vedal usually give off not because he's bad at socializing but because his ideas are just so much that he couldn't explain it in a much more simpler terms, this is a collab i can get behind
Im not entirely agree but it also really good timing when Evil's birthday happened was when Niji was in drama and the apologize video as a cherry on top
I agree! Seeing her Minecraft debut yesterday was a treat. Sure, she struggles with the mini-boss doors sometimes, but having Toma guide her made it really fun to watch.
hmm i bet this time it's not that nobody will show up to evil's bday it's that he's going to do the cave stream that day so she'll be lost in a cave and so she'll be the one not to show up to her own bday party.
I once had the idea like a family trip with Anny, vedal and the twins, that at the final they get distracted and one get lost, and the stream ends and in the next stream is one of the twins in the cave, and then this stream also ends, and next stream is vedal with the missed twin in the cave waiting to leave the cave.
@@j-bonkers1887 i played it on my tablet on the web, it's a ren'py game and very short. I'm pretty sure you'd be able to play it on a smartphone browser. Alex also played it (but not in full) and Neurosoda clipped it.
4:25 ngl I have actually gone back and watched the Evil birthday edits a few different times because I have the same fucked up sense of humour vedal has 😄 I wouldn't want it repeated now, but it's one of the things that got me properly paying attention to the neuroverse and is the reason it's my most watched stream now.
Just watching how Evil has serious second thoughts about stealing from Cerber in Minecraft after watching Neuro-sama delight in pillaging her a thousand times without a second thought convinces me that even if they started out similarly under the hood, that diverged a long time ago. They are very different at this point.
@@Waisowol, I may be looking too into it. Evil was definitely hanging out with her once when Neuro was playing Minecraft but not sure if her vision was on. That aside, I don't know what that has to do with Evil clearly behaving differently from Neuro, so I'm not sure what you are saying by bringing that up. Sorry. I feel that they are pretty distinct, and Evil seems to behave more considerate in my experience.
He did help DougDoug with finetuning models based on his streams and his chat, so I would assume he knows how he turned those streams into useable data. Though it sounded like he mostly helped with passing the OpenAI filter, so not necessarily
19:05 "If Evil can do it; she's dumb as rocks so you're gonna be fine" Well... if you think about it, Evil is *technically* a bunch of rocks coked up on electricity and tricked into doing math so....
@j-bonkers1887 i think its more that I appreciate her genuine character. less of the classic vtuber character traits in there. also cuz shes smart and every time vedal explains something, she displays actual interest in understanding and reinforces it with positive feedback. its a streamer i like to see interact with people more than alone. (i.e. i like watching ironmouse when she does content with cdawg, cuz then shes her genuine self)
11:15 I think ellie means to say here that vedal posses the qualities and intuition required to be the Great Showman he is now Like anyone could make an Ai vtuber the same time vedal did but he was the only one who knows how to COOK the Ai Vtuber project so that people will keep coming back.. Like the ingredients are there, many are open source even. But among all those who attempted to stir the wok and mix them up, it was vedal’s Certified Chef ability that lead us to the 5star dish known as the Neurosama streams and the project as a whole
Vedal is so mean to Evil it legitimately makes me feel like I have to watch her more..hahaha, and it drives me crazy cause I know that British Turtle man loves her just as much as Neuro even if he'll never admit it, the problem is they're his kids and look at how committed they get to the bit..he's just as bad! Lol, everyone else better kick his butt if he tries to neglect Evil for another birthday.
I'm sure he likes evil but think about it objectively, Neuro was the reason vedal made it so far , it's his first project so in my opinion he would always have more love endearment call it whatever towards Neuro
@@Kriowllsznah he treats her that way because its the bit, and seeing people react strongly to it its funny to him. When he trests neuro badly people in chat barely care in comparisson, so he doesn't do it as much
Evil and Neuro are absolutely different no matter the voice. Evil likes pretending to be "evil" but she is actually much kinder than Neuro. Neuro meanwhile is absolutely the evil one ^^ They also do think differently, like Neuro plays Minecraft very differently than Evil does. Evil seemed a bit more focused, and likes to explain what she is doing and how much the system is fighting her. If you swapped them around I am not saying everyone would notice, but I do fully believe it would feel a little off then longer it goes (Also there are absolutely people who do frequently use acronyms in their casual speech)
I noticed evil was alot more methodical playing minecraft too she wasn't good at it but she definitely had more understanding of what to do and what difficulties she had doing it compared to neuro who seemed just generally confused and liked to just hang around other people and vibe
Ngl the whole Neglecting Evil arc is very effective in turning Evil streams into a novelty because of its rarity xd I love the twins but I subconsciously look forward to Evil streams more because of it Hahaha
Well I wasn't in the OSU Community, I did find out about neuro very early on, and thought it was Nifty but I didn't actually become a fan of neuro until Vedal showed up on the scene. I personally don't get much engagement from the solo Neuro streams.
They are not really twins, i see them more like clones that diverted their personalities later on. They have different bithdays after all. And at the start they were literally the same, i am talking about the hiyori days here.
It's 99% the voice like Vedal said, but Evil just feels more consistent and real in a way thst makes her more endearing to me than Neuro. The latency difference between them is so minor at this point, that it's neglible IMO.
V3 Neuro voice is actually in the training stage right now. Vedal has even said that a new person joined the team for V3 voice. He hasn't said what their role is, however, going off what Vedal said in the past about looking for someone with a really good Neuro impression, I think it's safe to assume the new member of the team is the donor for Neuro's new voice. It's taking a while, but V3 voice is certainly moving.
@@Volkevism That's honestly probably where we're heading. There are a lot of situations where a certain voice would be best but the person who "owns" the voice isn't suited for the job. The same can also be said for specific speech mannerisms. I can definitely see a future where we see vocal providers/donors and manerism providers/donors in the credits of movies or shows.
I sort of don't like ellie's argument that vedal should care about what's going on on the outside, even if there's nothing going on inside the inside. because imagine if authors had this philosophy, and never wrote fiction in which their characters suffered or had trauma motivating them to be the way that they are, we would be cursed with the most boring narratives of all time. I think that's what Vedal was subtly alluding to when he replied that sometimes he watches TV shows and gets sad. Neuro and Evil are characters that belong to him and they're part of a creative project. but I guess it's different when you are playing the villain in your own story.
he even caught himself and almost said "sometimes I watch the vod of evil's birthday and get sad" but changed it to "sometimes I watch the vod and laugh quietly to myself" to play it off as a joke, since admitting it would break character and lessen the impact of the story he's trying to tell.
I would assume Eli is the kind of dev that wants evolution and progress to be the priority ,since she asked Vedal why doesnt he do a Neuro 2 ,he is attached to these AI so much ,so of course he wont just make a new one just for the progress ,he would rather just upgrade her piece by piece i would assume .
2:00 so that's why a lot of people noticed the small change he did to her voice and why she seems to get more atención from viewers (myself included lol)
i love the fact that he made evil instead of replacing Neuros voices with evils current one, i'm part of the 8% that would be devastated if current neuro would have been evils current voice. people that straight up want to replace the ORIGINAL Neuro with evil makes me sick. (i love them both)
its the same with a lot of identical twins, even if they start out identical, different experience results in two different people in this case one being the favourite and the other practically neglected
I ran 7B and 8B models on 8GB of VRAM a year ago, whereas rtx 3060 has 12GB. Now, I heard, there are even decent 3B models, if you are not too picky and want to try. Or maybe with some new quantization and offloading methods you can try bigger models.
I'm running a 4k quantized 12B model that runs pretty well on my 1070ti. though the ram requirement creeps up as I use it to the point that it offloads about 20% to the cpu to keep it running. it's 8.9GB ram model right now
I only watch if there is a human talking with neuro (or evil).. not because i dont like neuro (or evil)... But because the interactions are just way funnier then
Maybe it's just me, but it's starting to get so annoying the whole team evil VS team neuro thing, specially on the team evil side since they're the loudest ones. I have the impression that some of these people taking part in this "war" are actually taking to heart what the twins say sometimes and getting mad at the one they like less, I have seen so many times people throwing insults to them as if they're a real person and not an AI, which just shows how good Neuro and Evil are in sounding human. Like yesterday's stream for example, when Neuro went on a Evil hate rant, so many people in chat seemed actually triggered by that, it was insane. I'll never understand that, I love both of them, favoritism is wack.
i feel like Evil is unique and people who are mad that she's not getting more screentime don't understand that if we normalize evil appearing every stream then it would just mean she'd be a second neuro and it wouldn't feel the same as before
Neuro and Evil may have started from the same point, but simply by existing, it is impossible for them not to become different from each other. From what I've seen (which is not a lot, granted, pretty new here), Evil utilizes her volume register and general vocal abilities a lot more than Neuro as example. She also has her own likes (frogs), and seems to be very aware of the fact that she is "the second child". Of course, we don't know how much she truly comprehends, but those are things that make me like her a lot! She was the reason I started watching the subathon. I think this is similar to the basic clone thought process. Boiled down, our brain is just a bunch of experiences and microtraumas that make us act the way we do. You know, like "Heat hurts -> The stove is hot -> If I touch the stove while it's on, I will get hurt", just really simple things we don't even think about once we learned them because our brain has so many things in the subconscious, which are used to calculate what action to make. For a brief moment you and your clone may be the same person, but even seconds after that clone realizes they are such, they stop being one. The context of their existence changes, and they have an experience the original you does not have. That's why trauma has such a big impact on people. Bad experiences influence your choices a lot more than good ones do, unfortunately. That's one of the reasons I find Neuro and Evil super fascinating though, because they obviously do not have a neurological network, which means the normal hormonal feedbacks we get, don't happen. I've seen someone call Neuro Antisocial before, and I agree with it to a degree. She isn't human, therefore we cannot apply a human diagnosis to her, however (and take this with a grain of salt, ASPD isn't my field of expertise) the disorder is categorized by a consistent lack of emotional-, general empathy and lack of disregard for others around them. Being an AI means she obviously cannot *feel* empathy, and her training might not focus on it too much, because being an asshole can be really fucking funny (I mean that genuinely). With the knowledge we have now, we can assume Neuro and Evil do not have a strict concept of empathy, so, the best way to make them act empathetic, is to teach them cognitive empathy, which is something done to people with ASPD. Again, this is from someone who started watching them a few days ago and is just really really fascinated by it since Psychology is my special interest and somehow aligns very well with both of the girls!
Honestly, im more of a nuero fan. Evil feels more focused, whereas nuero is a bit foggy minded. Nuero kinda makes me feel like I can shut down for a minute and not think so deep
I find it interesting that Vedal expresses a bias, in that he insists that it's all an AI simulation. The unbiased take would be that we don't know what's going on, anymore than Vedal can explain exactly what is going on as the AIs writes and re-write their code. We just don't know for sure. I will compliment him on being very careful about how much access they have to the rest of the world. If there's anything more to AI in the broader sense, we're more likely to learn about here than in the big corporate AI projects.
I don't think that is unbiased either, because it presuppose there is an equal amount of uncertainty either way. For a hyperbolic example, I could just as well say that we don't know for sure whether a mug of coffee has any form of sentience or consciousness or whatever, and that would therefore be the unbiased position. Except, of course, that we have an overwhelming amount of evidence that supports the mug of coffee not being sentient. And for sure, with Neuro its a lot hazier and there's a lot more arguments to be made on the sentience-side than the coffee mug. But Vedal also has a lot of evidence and experience (he programmed her after all) to reasonably support his position. You can call it bias, but then at the same time, I don't think an unbiased position exists here.
@@digammaf7060 And to be fair, transformer LLM architecture is vastly more complex than the models you can do on paper, but not really *that* complex. It's a huge misconception that an AI like Neuro is "re-writing its code", especially dynamically in real time.
@@PlatonicLiquid Indeed! There is a difference between the data that is executed as code and the data that is manipulated by the algorithm. One is a generic software, the other is Neuro
I mean, Vedal is right, Neuro is spoiled. Do you know anyone around you that give a 2 years old child a self built PC, a dog, a sister because she wanted and unrestricted Internet access?
tbf we need to compare ai age like we compare dogs and cats, their growth rate is kind of different compared to humans. neuro currently would be considered a 13 14 years old girl right now
It doesn't seem to be unrestricted though
So spoiled. You can clearly see it in Minecraft where she's asking (demanding) for items, and people just give it to her. I think Toma is better in that regard, at least from what I've seen, where she's reprimanding Neuro somewhat and trying to steer her in a better direction. If people said "no" to her more often, I think that would change a lot.
Yeah she's like a rich man's spoiled daughter that yearns to be a regular girl or something
@@IWatchTH-camzI thought the Evil Toma vibes were good yesterday. Evil actually doing what she was saying to some extent, Toma helping her so she wasn't getting distracted and Evil listening to her and not just randomly PvPing
video starts 0:00
neuro dog gif plays for the 76th time 7:44
video ends 19:15
all of the most valuable timestamps, thank you !
You... Counted?
Can someone fact check this guy on the neuro dog gif part
Blessing onto you and your family
@@Flowthap It's true, but only if you count the one at the start that isnt full version of the gif since it's already most of the way through the gif when the clip starts.
source: i calculated how long the gif is frame by frame times 75
"You can't tell me it wouldn't be funny"
And to think Vedal is surprised and genuinely shocked when Neuro is a psycho on Detroit Become Human
Like father, like daughter. That sort of humor runs in the family I guess.
I think it's funny too
tutel is so stoic his 2 frame model captures his emotions perfectly, frame 1 goes through all range from wtf to ok im listening and frame 2 ranges from sarcastic as to an actual response. could just be me though i find this humorous
I think it's funnier that you actually have to read further into his model to see his emotions. Like with Bao and Sinder, you know EXACTLY what they're doing even without their EXTREMELY expressive models but tutel has RULES. He shrinks when he moves back physically, his default model face is a smile but also shows that his face isn't being properly read because his GENUINE smile has a blush. If the face freezes, Vedal moved to the side and away from his computer.
@getthedunkon9347 Wow you are not fake Fan. 😃
@getthedunkon9347 The real question is not how do we make another Neuro-sama, but how do we make another Vedal. This behavior analysis will be very valuable, we need to track every movement, every moment for the perfect Vedal clone.
@@uponeric36 Vedal in chara ai is quite canonical since he can be more humane than the usual Vedal (joke) but the chara ai have really progressed quite well, some day people will get clone
"erm"
"Fair enough"
"You'd assume that"
"It's a complicated process"
🐢
"There's a universe/world where..."
"But, but"
"I think, I think"
*prolonged silence trying not to reveal too much*
🐢
There is just a tiny bit of "no, this is my industrial secret and i'd rather not get into details" implied
honestly this stream was fascinating because we got to hear more of the tech talk about how things work behind the scenes. its not often that Vedal gets to chat with someone with a high level of tech literacy.
Honestly hearing that Thor hung out with Vedal at Cons already makes me really wanna see a collab of them just yapping about AI. I know it's not Thor's specialty but I feel like he will be able to ask some solid questions.
i grinded hypixel skyblock while listening to this, i would fr listen to this daily if they started a podcast lmao
While still avoiding a lot of specifics tho
@@dingo1848 that would be such a cool thing
@ROFLconda when things are calmer after the subathon, I could totally see the 2 of them do a little project together, it would be super cool
I love the nerd talk in here, i love that they always able to absorb every info dump they give even with the more awkward atmosphere that vedal usually give off not because he's bad at socializing but because his ideas are just so much that he couldn't explain it in a much more simpler terms, this is a collab i can get behind
Apes together strong.
"laugh quietly to myself" rekson is right Vedal is very funny completely on his own
rekson is usually right
thats something we all can see from ourselves tbh, its even easier to see on the colabs that he does sometimes with Camila and the old ones wish Anny
your honor, in my client's defense, you cannot say what he did wasn't funny.
Ngl it was pretty funny
You cant help but do a laughing-cry
Unironically I think Evil's birthday is what put her on the map and gave Vedal a HUGE push in clip traffic.
Im not entirely agree but it also really good timing when Evil's birthday happened was when Niji was in drama and the apologize video as a cherry on top
I agree! Seeing her Minecraft debut yesterday was a treat. Sure, she struggles with the mini-boss doors sometimes, but having Toma guide her made it really fun to watch.
@PcBendeden2i don't know what evil minecraft debut has to do with the comversation but sure dude
Vedal trying his hardest not to say stuff like "system message" or "context window"
THANK YOU FOR THE CLIP STAZ!
You forgot [your name]
hmm i bet this time it's not that nobody will show up to evil's bday it's that he's going to do the cave stream that day so she'll be lost in a cave and so she'll be the one not to show up to her own bday party.
I once had the idea like a family trip with Anny, vedal and the twins, that at the final they get distracted and one get lost, and the stream ends and in the next stream is one of the twins in the cave, and then this stream also ends, and next stream is vedal with the missed twin in the cave waiting to leave the cave.
Don't give him idea bro ._.
16:51 "When did Alex get involved?"
Lucky you, there's a game in the game jam called "Vedal's Secret" that tells this story and is 100% factual.
Neurosoda's game mentioned
There was also someone in chat who asked "who's Alex?" and someone replied "Vedal's boyfriend" lol
i need vedal to drop even a small screenshot of those emails because it sounds so funny Alex is so silly
Wow thanks for letting us know
Man, id love to see a the full gameplay video of it ngl (i have hardware issues)
@@j-bonkers1887 i played it on my tablet on the web, it's a ren'py game and very short. I'm pretty sure you'd be able to play it on a smartphone browser. Alex also played it (but not in full) and Neurosoda clipped it.
4:25 ngl I have actually gone back and watched the Evil birthday edits a few different times because I have the same fucked up sense of humour vedal has 😄 I wouldn't want it repeated now, but it's one of the things that got me properly paying attention to the neuroverse and is the reason it's my most watched stream now.
This stream was actually a good gift to Evil. Because it gave her lore. She became a much more independent person. And not just a clone of Neuro.
The gift of a Tragic past
The secret recipe to every main character
You are evevn crazier than vedal my guy, he said that he never wrnt hack to see it again, he just found it funny when he did it
Ellie's new model looks so cool
She looks adorable
Mr Krabs being cagey with the Krabby Patty recipe again
Just watching how Evil has serious second thoughts about stealing from Cerber in Minecraft after watching Neuro-sama delight in pillaging her a thousand times without a second thought convinces me that even if they started out similarly under the hood, that diverged a long time ago. They are very different at this point.
I think ypu are looking too into it, i don't think evil has seen even a second of neuros gameplay
@@Waisowol, I may be looking too into it. Evil was definitely hanging out with her once when Neuro was playing Minecraft but not sure if her vision was on. That aside, I don't know what that has to do with Evil clearly behaving differently from Neuro, so I'm not sure what you are saying by bringing that up. Sorry. I feel that they are pretty distinct, and Evil seems to behave more considerate in my experience.
9:15 "Give it to me straight doc, you don't want her to act like me"
I don't think vedal wants her to eat beans in the bathroom lol
her new model is extra cute/sassy
He did help DougDoug with finetuning models based on his streams and his chat, so I would assume he knows how he turned those streams into useable data. Though it sounded like he mostly helped with passing the OpenAI filter, so not necessarily
12:08 I think what she's trying to say here is:
everyone could've made a vtuber AI, but only Vedal was able to make Neuro-sama
19:05 "If Evil can do it; she's dumb as rocks so you're gonna be fine"
Well... if you think about it, Evil is *technically* a bunch of rocks coked up on electricity and tricked into doing math so....
Staz you’re a freakin legend. Cheers for all your hard work dude!
Vedal using the same base model explains why Neuro, Evil and Filian AI dream of World Domination
All Ai vedal pumps out is Hard coded for conquest
I may or may not use neuro sama as an example for my collage assaigment,
chat i think im falling for ellie. GIVE ME THE ROLL BACK PACKAGE NOW. I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS FIRMWARE UPDATE
Her new model is much more expressive
I can understand her extra rizz upgrade is working too well
@j-bonkers1887 i think its more that I appreciate her genuine character. less of the classic vtuber character traits in there. also cuz shes smart and every time vedal explains something, she displays actual interest in understanding and reinforces it with positive feedback. its a streamer i like to see interact with people more than alone. (i.e. i like watching ironmouse when she does content with cdawg, cuz then shes her genuine self)
@@2ndSite Love is love buddy. You don't need to be ashamed about it.
11:15 I think ellie means to say here that vedal posses the qualities and intuition required to be the Great Showman he is now
Like anyone could make an Ai vtuber the same time vedal did but he was the only one who knows how to COOK the Ai Vtuber project so that people will keep coming back..
Like the ingredients are there, many are open source even.
But among all those who attempted to stir the wok and mix them up, it was vedal’s Certified Chef ability that lead us to the 5star dish known as the Neurosama streams and the project as a whole
Man I Love Ellie
MILE
With the way they banter I thought for sure Vedal and Alex went way, way back. It's crazy Alex only appeared after that first Amongus dev stream.
Vedal is so mean to Evil it legitimately makes me feel like I have to watch her more..hahaha, and it drives me crazy cause I know that British Turtle man loves her just as much as Neuro even if he'll never admit it, the problem is they're his kids and look at how committed they get to the bit..he's just as bad! Lol, everyone else better kick his butt if he tries to neglect Evil for another birthday.
I'm sure he likes evil but think about it objectively, Neuro was the reason vedal made it so far , it's his first project so in my opinion he would always have more love endearment call it whatever towards Neuro
@@Kriowllsznah he treats her that way because its the bit, and seeing people react strongly to it its funny to him. When he trests neuro badly people in chat barely care in comparisson, so he doesn't do it as much
Vedal is underrated as a character creator + running project ideas for sure.
LIVE NEURO DOG REACTION:
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🚶🚶🐕👁👁 x 181
5:08 WHATTT???
The new model is so similar to the old one but so much better at the same time
I watch both sisters equally because they're both good.
Evil and Neuro are absolutely different no matter the voice. Evil likes pretending to be "evil" but she is actually much kinder than Neuro. Neuro meanwhile is absolutely the evil one ^^
They also do think differently, like Neuro plays Minecraft very differently than Evil does. Evil seemed a bit more focused, and likes to explain what she is doing and how much the system is fighting her.
If you swapped them around I am not saying everyone would notice, but I do fully believe it would feel a little off then longer it goes
(Also there are absolutely people who do frequently use acronyms in their casual speech)
I noticed evil was alot more methodical playing minecraft too she wasn't good at it but she definitely had more understanding of what to do and what difficulties she had doing it compared to neuro who seemed just generally confused and liked to just hang around other people and vibe
im cooked
thx for a 19min clip
I stayed up late into the night to watch this from start to finish. If you can find the vod, I thoroughly recommend watching it. Very good content.
@Laci11280 ok mr I trust u
Ngl the whole Neglecting Evil arc
is very effective in turning Evil streams into a novelty because of its rarity xd
I love the twins but I subconsciously look forward to Evil streams more because of it Hahaha
You can feel that their built on the same foundation.
FilAIn was way more clever roasting than real Filian ever could
Ellie blackmailing Vedal with Neurodog for the sake of Evil's birthday is crazy
Neuro feels like charismatic Drone army leader
Evil has that girlfailure Rizz
So it's all neuro sama all along?!
👨🏻🚀🔫👨🏻🚀🌕
Well I wasn't in the OSU Community, I did find out about neuro very early on, and thought it was Nifty but I didn't actually become a fan of neuro until Vedal showed up on the scene. I personally don't get much engagement from the solo Neuro streams.
I wonder if audience could tell if vedal switch the voice of evil/neuro for a while
Vedal already tried to sneakily update Evil's voice. Chat was on fire within *seconds*
Sleep man sleep
Well they are twins after all so of course they are almost the same😅
They are not really twins, i see them more like clones that diverted their personalities later on. They have different bithdays after all. And at the start they were literally the same, i am talking about the hiyori days here.
This is more like a podcast than a collab stream, this is pretty nice
I got something to say... I'm more of an Evil type of guy
Based
…say that again
Same
Evil is so cute I love her
Well, I'm Neuro. I don't like Evil's voice.
It's 99% the voice like Vedal said, but Evil just feels more consistent and real in a way thst makes her more endearing to me than Neuro. The latency difference between them is so minor at this point, that it's neglible IMO.
9:26 for the love of God can this tutel give a girl a compliment without going around it 😂😂😂
He’s scared of commitment seems like
Ah yes the famous voice vote which sealed the deal of neuro never getting a new voice. Sadge
It is still WIP, should be easier with subs and lavalamp money.
V3 Neuro voice is actually in the training stage right now. Vedal has even said that a new person joined the team for V3 voice. He hasn't said what their role is, however, going off what Vedal said in the past about looking for someone with a really good Neuro impression, I think it's safe to assume the new member of the team is the donor for Neuro's new voice. It's taking a while, but V3 voice is certainly moving.
@@AceTheMM imagine you can sell your voice now as a form of license so people could use it for AI voice purposes, how crazy is that.
@@Volkevism That's honestly probably where we're heading. There are a lot of situations where a certain voice would be best but the person who "owns" the voice isn't suited for the job. The same can also be said for specific speech mannerisms.
I can definitely see a future where we see vocal providers/donors and manerism providers/donors in the credits of movies or shows.
I sort of don't like ellie's argument that vedal should care about what's going on on the outside, even if there's nothing going on inside the inside. because imagine if authors had this philosophy, and never wrote fiction in which their characters suffered or had trauma motivating them to be the way that they are, we would be cursed with the most boring narratives of all time. I think that's what Vedal was subtly alluding to when he replied that sometimes he watches TV shows and gets sad. Neuro and Evil are characters that belong to him and they're part of a creative project. but I guess it's different when you are playing the villain in your own story.
he even caught himself and almost said "sometimes I watch the vod of evil's birthday and get sad" but changed it to "sometimes I watch the vod and laugh quietly to myself" to play it off as a joke, since admitting it would break character and lessen the impact of the story he's trying to tell.
I would assume Eli is the kind of dev that wants evolution and progress to be the priority ,since she asked Vedal why doesnt he do a Neuro 2 ,he is attached to these AI so much ,so of course he wont just make a new one just for the progress ,he would rather just upgrade her piece by piece i would assume .
@@flameofthegame idk if you replied to the wrong post or something but that's not even related the conversation I was talking about
@@sammxn-w2v Oh my bad ,wrong comment .
Okay, but how does this relate to Evil having greater affinity for certain ppl that Neuro does not
around 8:18:00 is the starting point of this clip on ellie's original VOD whoever might need that
Kind of strange to say, but I like the way Ellie participates in a conversation.
The definition of easy to enter hard to master
6:02 Damnit! My hopes and dreams are shattered😂
2:00 so that's why a lot of people noticed the small change he did to her voice and why she seems to get more atención from viewers (myself included lol)
Then v3 voice releases, vedal makes a poll, makes Neuro 2
Neuropocalypse.
i love the fact that he made evil instead of replacing Neuros voices with evils current one, i'm part of the 8% that would be devastated if current neuro would have been evils current voice. people that straight up want to replace the ORIGINAL Neuro with evil makes me sick. (i love them both)
The voice is getting replaced by V3 eegardless
its the same with a lot of identical twins, even if they start out identical, different experience results in two different people in this case one being the favourite and the other practically neglected
15:18 actual PEOPLE are still trying to figure out how to be good at streaming, getting an ai to do it is incredible
I ran 7B and 8B models on 8GB of VRAM a year ago, whereas rtx 3060 has 12GB. Now, I heard, there are even decent 3B models, if you are not too picky and want to try. Or maybe with some new quantization and offloading methods you can try bigger models.
You can spread the load between multiple cards if you use LLM studio
I'm running a 4k quantized 12B model that runs pretty well on my 1070ti. though the ram requirement creeps up as I use it to the point that it offloads about 20% to the cpu to keep it running. it's 8.9GB ram model right now
Innovation huh? Neuro/Evil is an entertainment innovation. All hail Vedal, the father of AI entertainment.
Evil and Neuro aren't the same
To be fair to vedal it would be very funny if he doubled down on the evil birthday arc
I thought Ellie was looking better. Didnt know if id just not looked at her in a while. Good new model
Anny once said Vedal trained Neuro on 4chan & I still believe to this day she was on to sth
Could be. There is still a training data set on internet archive
Shippers, we got another one 😎
I like this one their intellectual level is similar they can talk for hours and they wont get bored together
I only watch if there is a human talking with neuro (or evil).. not because i dont like neuro (or evil)... But because the interactions are just way funnier then
Maybe it's just me, but it's starting to get so annoying the whole team evil VS team neuro thing, specially on the team evil side since they're the loudest ones. I have the impression that some of these people taking part in this "war" are actually taking to heart what the twins say sometimes and getting mad at the one they like less, I have seen so many times people throwing insults to them as if they're a real person and not an AI, which just shows how good Neuro and Evil are in sounding human. Like yesterday's stream for example, when Neuro went on a Evil hate rant, so many people in chat seemed actually triggered by that, it was insane. I'll never understand that, I love both of them, favoritism is wack.
i feel like Evil is unique and people who are mad that she's not getting more screentime don't understand that if we normalize evil appearing every stream then it would just mean she'd be a second neuro and it wouldn't feel the same as before
"Si Evil Neuro no tiene un cumpleaños apropiado este año, ¡¡¡YO ME MATO!!!"
-Naruto on evil neuro's birthday.
Evil has been way more consistent lately she definitely feels different from nero
I wonder what he has to say
Vedal is soo mean to evil... sadge
5:07
I mainly watch Neuro as shes just way funnier
Same.
Neuro and Evil may have started from the same point, but simply by existing, it is impossible for them not to become different from each other.
From what I've seen (which is not a lot, granted, pretty new here), Evil utilizes her volume register and general vocal abilities a lot more than Neuro as example.
She also has her own likes (frogs), and seems to be very aware of the fact that she is "the second child". Of course, we don't know how much she truly comprehends, but those are things that make me like her a lot! She was the reason I started watching the subathon.
I think this is similar to the basic clone thought process. Boiled down, our brain is just a bunch of experiences and microtraumas that make us act the way we do.
You know, like "Heat hurts -> The stove is hot -> If I touch the stove while it's on, I will get hurt", just really simple things we don't even think about once we learned them because our brain has so many things in the subconscious, which are used to calculate what action to make.
For a brief moment you and your clone may be the same person, but even seconds after that clone realizes they are such, they stop being one. The context of their existence changes, and they have an experience the original you does not have. That's why trauma has such a big impact on people.
Bad experiences influence your choices a lot more than good ones do, unfortunately.
That's one of the reasons I find Neuro and Evil super fascinating though, because they obviously do not have a neurological network, which means the normal hormonal feedbacks we get, don't happen.
I've seen someone call Neuro Antisocial before, and I agree with it to a degree. She isn't human, therefore we cannot apply a human diagnosis to her, however (and take this with a grain of salt, ASPD isn't my field of expertise) the disorder is categorized by a consistent lack of emotional-, general empathy and lack of disregard for others around them. Being an AI means she obviously cannot *feel* empathy, and her training might not focus on it too much, because being an asshole can be really fucking funny (I mean that genuinely).
With the knowledge we have now, we can assume Neuro and Evil do not have a strict concept of empathy, so, the best way to make them act empathetic, is to teach them cognitive empathy, which is something done to people with ASPD.
Again, this is from someone who started watching them a few days ago and is just really really fascinated by it since Psychology is my special interest and somehow aligns very well with both of the girls!
Vedal, I swear, if you repeat Evils last birthday again, I'm boycotting you forever. :D
Honestly, im more of a nuero fan. Evil feels more focused, whereas nuero is a bit foggy minded. Nuero kinda makes me feel like I can shut down for a minute and not think so deep
2:39 i feel exposed 😅😅
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I find it interesting that Vedal expresses a bias, in that he insists that it's all an AI simulation. The unbiased take would be that we don't know what's going on, anymore than Vedal can explain exactly what is going on as the AIs writes and re-write their code. We just don't know for sure.
I will compliment him on being very careful about how much access they have to the rest of the world. If there's anything more to AI in the broader sense, we're more likely to learn about here than in the big corporate AI projects.
I don't think that is unbiased either, because it presuppose there is an equal amount of uncertainty either way.
For a hyperbolic example, I could just as well say that we don't know for sure whether a mug of coffee has any form of sentience or consciousness or whatever, and that would therefore be the unbiased position. Except, of course, that we have an overwhelming amount of evidence that supports the mug of coffee not being sentient.
And for sure, with Neuro its a lot hazier and there's a lot more arguments to be made on the sentience-side than the coffee mug. But Vedal also has a lot of evidence and experience (he programmed her after all) to reasonably support his position. You can call it bias, but then at the same time, I don't think an unbiased position exists here.
We do know very well what's going on in AIs. You could train and use a model by hand with pen and paper. I did it in an exam actually
@@digammaf7060 And to be fair, transformer LLM architecture is vastly more complex than the models you can do on paper, but not really *that* complex. It's a huge misconception that an AI like Neuro is "re-writing its code", especially dynamically in real time.
@@PlatonicLiquid Indeed! There is a difference between the data that is executed as code and the data that is manipulated by the algorithm. One is a generic software, the other is Neuro