PJ doesn’t have any room to talk. He was part of the culture here, and was indicative of how players would play here. I remember Doug calling him out all the time about how he would miss like five shots, and then just disappear for the rest of the game. Doug always wanted him to contribute in other ways when his shot wasn’t falling. Pass the ball better. Rebound more. Play better defense. PJ wouldn’t do any of that. He would just disappear into the corner for the rest of the game, and now that he has a winning team and is making shots, he’s wanting to contribute and acting like it was the Hornets franchise that was keeping him down. It’s also really frustrating to see people compare him to Grant Williams and think that he is such a better player than Grant when they are the exact same player over their careers, except Grant can shoot a little bit better. They’re both ranked about the same defensively, they both get the same amount of rebounds and assists, but plays with a little bit more fire and shoots better. But now that PJs on a better team, people think PJ is the much better player when he isn’t. He’s just in a better situation.
Buzelis at the 3 for Charlotte letting Brandon Miller play Shooting Guard would be amazing. Think of Buzelis as a guy who could be a Franz Wagner. Re-sign Miles Bridges and Mark Williams at center could be a great starting 5 for the future. I know Miles is polarizing, but if he keeps his nose clean he has talent.
Completely agree with Doug. Ofc the things terry Kelly and pj said was true. But what they don’t understand is that they were the culture problem. Terry and pj were never leaders. Never have been. Terry only cares bout getting fresh and we knew the Brittany Renner situation with pj. Hayward terry pj batum YALL was the problem 😂. Our front office org didn’t help but those players didn’t vet our young guys like they should’ve.
No, they came onto a team that had already well-established culture issues that the ownership and front office were responsible for. You can blame the players if you want but it starts with ownership and front office for the last 20 years since Charlotte got their team back.
@@Hooderaw the players have the ability to change the culture the easiest by winning on the floor. PJ was known for giving up in games. He would literally miss his first five shots and then never ask for the ball for the rest of the game. This included him not even trying for rebounds. Doug used to say this about PJ all the time. If you’re not shooting the ball well, find other ways to contribute. But he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t start passing the ball better, he wouldn’t start rebounding or playing better defense to affect the game. He would just give up. The fact that people are talking about PJ he’s a big reason that Dallas is going to NBA finals now is completely idiotic. He just hasn’t had any adversity yet.
@Haybud there is a black cloud hovering over this team regarding the current team culture. It takes more than just players for that change. You need a decent front office and coaching to help change the culture. Right now, the new players come in with no real leadership and start to get use to the established culture and get use to losing. This team needs a leader (I love ball but he's never been a real leader and I have been watching him since high school). Maybe miller could be that leader but that leader needs to be vocal and well respected. But those type of players don't want to play for a perennial losing teams cause they want to try to win championships. You can trade for that player, but then you have to give up your young pieces and/or picks that you are trying to build around. But, by trading for that player you risk getting a player who doesn't want to play there. These players talk to each other and there is a reason Kupchak couldn't sign viable free agents unless he severely overpaid. I hope Jeff is the answer, but I question why the new owners would even consider having the old gm and coach around when they need to rid themselves of bad culture. Right now, it looks like they have several people running things as oppose to 1 (jeff). You got 2 former Charlotte gm's in the fold (Kupchak, MJ), 3 owners in the mix (1 with losing experience and 2 using losing advisors), 1 former coach lurking around which leads to that same black cloud of losing culture hovering above the front office but yet we want to be mad at PJ and Terry for saying what they said out loud which was far from a lie.
@@Hooderaw You must’ve forgot borrego brought that team to 2 play in series. Meaning we were winning atleast 35 games just only a few years ago. Borrego had structure. Batum never played so terry officially became our “Vet” by default even tho HE originally wanted his own team once leaving Celtics. Pj was a pick that literally surprised everyone and rui should’ve fell to us that year. Pj was picked Way too early but became one of our “vets” by default. What I’m saying is yes our front office has always been terrible but we’ve definitely had more players that have instilled more leadership in the past. Not blaming them for our failures but they were Lowkey always the problem. Hayward PJ Terry we’re always the players that never fit our true identity. Isn’t it funny how better we look with them off the team. The contracts the injuries. Finally all over. Those moves alone just changed our culture. Bc now we don’t have these lazy ass “Vets” only playing 50 games combined 😂. There’s a big difference between having a winning culture and purely just having better team chemistry. Even smaller guys such as Bertans mann grant Williams brings so much to our locker room. Why is that? Bc they are from winning cultures that know how to play. Which is what we always needed. Not old ass vets getting their last bag before slowly retiring. Good young vets that still have that hunger. That’s what pj terry Hayward never had, but they all seemed to want much more money on each of their contracts. Foh. Glad new front office has started holding players accountable and making us a serious franchise. Enough with the feelings. No nba team holds on to trash players like us. I’m finally excited for future
@wonderkidd2549 play-ins are not playoff games. They literally don't count on the stats. Not to mention the fact that the team came in 10th and 9th at the end of the season and got BLOWN OUT 2 years str8. Regarding terry and Gordon, they were NEVER leaders. Terry only started in Boston when they had backcourt injuries. He was a bench guy up until that point and would have went back to the bench if they did not make the trade. And Gordon was an often injured player who started to come off the bench for Boston cause they had better players who were reliable. Gordon was never a leader. Kupchak got fleeced in that free agent signing. He was never worth that much even when he played for Utah. And PJ was never a leader. Mitch was too busy looking at building a team with the draft but didn't have the culture to help build those players up. It was literally the blind leading the blind. As fans, you guys need to stop blaming the people who are no longer here and concentrate on what needs to be changed, which is what I'm pointing out. PJ is who he is, Gordon is who he is, Terry is who he is, and that is on the front office for expecting to make orange juice out of lemons.
Not mad at PJ. Some fans didnt appreciate him, literally. "all hE dOeS iS sHooT 3'S" "he'S noT a GoOd reBoUnDeR" They still clown him after the fact so idk why fans are so pissy at him. Organization (+ some fans) couldve did a whole lot better before former players get a chance to diss them. The time is now with new ownership, new coach, new everything to do things right so things wont go south like this again.
I don’t believe having 2 big men that don’t shoot is necessary bad, look at the mavs. Gafford & Lively don’t shoot at all but play like REAL big men & that’s what we need
I'd be motivated to start changing the culture in Charlotte. Not upset at all with PJ. I'm rooting for them to win it all. I'd just be motivated over his laughing
Trade Bertans contract, this year's 1st and the 2 1st we got from Dallas and Miami to Utah for Lauri. Rather we keep Milies or sign n trade him for bench depth is up in the air. Ainge loves picks and I think a lineup of either Melo Miller Bridges Lauri Williams or Melo Miller G Williams Lauri Mark is easily a top 4 east team when healthy.
The problem was kub. If our gm acts hesitant, the entire organization will. It felt like everyone was scared to put MJ back into debt, so they didn’t want to take any risks. I don’t think it’s an oddity that an alpha like Brandon miller started to shine once MJ and kub stepped down.
Here's a question for the sicko satchel. Would Dalton Knecht be a good fit for Charlotte? If so, what are the chances that Charlotte would pick him up? (This question is inspired by my UT fandom)
Or, he got sucked into the losing mentality that this organization never could fix for the last 20 years with only 3 playoff appearances since they got the team back. The Charlotte organization has a bad reputation with the players in this league. He's happy like a dog that has been let out of the basement for 5 years. You can try to blame the players, but after 20 year's you have to point at ownership and the front office. Even now with the new owners taking over they decided to keep Kupchak and Steve Clifford in the fold as advisors which is a bad look. This just shows that Jeff may not be 100% in charge as the old losing regimen has the ears of the new owner cause they don't fully trust jeff. No wonder more established gm's didn't want the job. You can't have a front office by committee.
@@Hooderaw I’m not saying that previous ownership didn’t contribute. But ultimately PJ is a mid tier player he’s not some star that was trapped, he’s still a mid tier player where he is now he’s just surrounded by two all time greats it’s no surprise his current team outlook is better. Leaving and then shitting on your previous team is still wack when you contributed to losing with mediocre inconsistent play
@ignorantenlightenment that mid tier player looking much better on the mavs than he did on the hornets. And that seems to be a pattern with the players who leave Charlotte and go to other teams with a better culture. Charlotte has a culture issue, not necessarily a talent issue. 20 years with 3 playoff appearances (no series wins) means they got at least 17 lottery picks and for 3 years right outside the lottery and they still have failed to get better. Even now they got Kupchak and Steve still lurking around the front office with the new gm in place. How do you change the culture when the owners are using these guys as advisors? You literally shrink the available gm and coaching pool by doing this, in my opinion. It starts with the front officer regarding culture change.
@@Hooderaw nah not really he looks absolutely identical actually. One great game wildly lackluster game the next that’s who he’s always been. Mid. Also keeping Kupchak and Cliff around isn’t a bad idea, they didn’t need to be GM and coach anymore, but when it comes to evaluating talent they’re both top notch
Yeah, it’s amazing how much easier it is to cultivate a winning culture and mentality when you play on a team with Luka and Kyrie. This conversation is dumb AF. So he’s not supposed to be happy he got to Dallas? Yall are being weird again and not adding anything new to the conversation, you’re just following the latest social media trend.
The strategic value of not revealing who we are working out and showing interest in is increased even more in a draft where there is no uniformity in how this draft will go. By not revealing our interest we are preventing other teams from being able to plan around our choice and opening opportunity for draft day trades should we want to.
I just want championship moves. Shoot for The Stars while we are in the lottery. FORGET ABOUT FIT. Then build around those stars that HIT. That's what BOTH TEAMS IN THE FINALS DID. I need Star Upside... Risacher Cody Williams Salaun Castle Sarr Matas Any of those 6 will be satisfactory. Any of those guys develop a jumper... Its LIT.
Something that wasnt mentioned, is how the Hornets handled the Miles Bridges situation and how that reflects on the organization and "culture". Maybe David was sick of talking MB? Lol
Well, the good news is Brandon Miller isn't ruined yet. Lamelo is but too talented and injury prone to move on from. Hopefully, the new regime can wash out this nasty lackadaisical boring, can't play through injury attitudes that defines Charlotte Basketball. Move the ruined players (except for Lamelo) out.
None of those players were particularly good or culture changers. Just shit talkers. We'll be much better for jettisoning cheque cashers like Hayward and Rozier. They were not good veteran mentors. Gordon doesn't give a shit about basketball any more.
They don't want pay money for a good players. And pay to much for over hype players. And when do get player that's good they can't keep them and build aound.
Pj gets to play with luka...he also is a scrub on many teams...of course he is happy...who else they gonna pay on that team besides lively in 3 years lol...just pj...
PJ doesn’t have any room to talk. He was part of the culture here, and was indicative of how players would play here. I remember Doug calling him out all the time about how he would miss like five shots, and then just disappear for the rest of the game. Doug always wanted him to contribute in other ways when his shot wasn’t falling. Pass the ball better. Rebound more. Play better defense. PJ wouldn’t do any of that. He would just disappear into the corner for the rest of the game, and now that he has a winning team and is making shots, he’s wanting to contribute and acting like it was the Hornets franchise that was keeping him down.
It’s also really frustrating to see people compare him to Grant Williams and think that he is such a better player than Grant when they are the exact same player over their careers, except Grant can shoot a little bit better. They’re both ranked about the same defensively, they both get the same amount of rebounds and assists, but plays with a little bit more fire and shoots better. But now that PJs on a better team, people think PJ is the much better player when he isn’t. He’s just in a better situation.
No one gonna commit on DB going 90s Leo with the haircut?? 😍
I told the stylist "97 Leo" if you go 98 or later...I'm getting on Yelp. She nailed it. --db
The best way to answer all these "strays" is to play better and be more competitive. They have a chance to do that next season.
Tbh idgaf what PJ said
Its the fact of if this doesnt piss off HOR players “take it personal” IDK what can fuel these players 🤦🏾♂️😑
Dougie got an Irish Super Mario thing going on
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Buzelis at the 3 for Charlotte letting Brandon Miller play Shooting Guard would be amazing. Think of Buzelis as a guy who could be a Franz Wagner. Re-sign Miles Bridges and Mark Williams at center could be a great starting 5 for the future. I know Miles is polarizing, but if he keeps his nose clean he has talent.
Facts! Or draft Knecht
Completely agree with Doug. Ofc the things terry Kelly and pj said was true. But what they don’t understand is that they were the culture problem. Terry and pj were never leaders. Never have been. Terry only cares bout getting fresh and we knew the Brittany Renner situation with pj. Hayward terry pj batum YALL was the problem 😂. Our front office org didn’t help but those players didn’t vet our young guys like they should’ve.
No, they came onto a team that had already well-established culture issues that the ownership and front office were responsible for. You can blame the players if you want but it starts with ownership and front office for the last 20 years since Charlotte got their team back.
@@Hooderaw the players have the ability to change the culture the easiest by winning on the floor. PJ was known for giving up in games. He would literally miss his first five shots and then never ask for the ball for the rest of the game. This included him not even trying for rebounds.
Doug used to say this about PJ all the time. If you’re not shooting the ball well, find other ways to contribute. But he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t start passing the ball better, he wouldn’t start rebounding or playing better defense to affect the game. He would just give up. The fact that people are talking about PJ he’s a big reason that Dallas is going to NBA finals now is completely idiotic. He just hasn’t had any adversity yet.
@Haybud there is a black cloud hovering over this team regarding the current team culture. It takes more than just players for that change. You need a decent front office and coaching to help change the culture. Right now, the new players come in with no real leadership and start to get use to the established culture and get use to losing. This team needs a leader (I love ball but he's never been a real leader and I have been watching him since high school). Maybe miller could be that leader but that leader needs to be vocal and well respected. But those type of players don't want to play for a perennial losing teams cause they want to try to win championships. You can trade for that player, but then you have to give up your young pieces and/or picks that you are trying to build around. But, by trading for that player you risk getting a player who doesn't want to play there. These players talk to each other and there is a reason Kupchak couldn't sign viable free agents unless he severely overpaid. I hope Jeff is the answer, but I question why the new owners would even consider having the old gm and coach around when they need to rid themselves of bad culture. Right now, it looks like they have several people running things as oppose to 1 (jeff). You got 2 former Charlotte gm's in the fold (Kupchak, MJ), 3 owners in the mix (1 with losing experience and 2 using losing advisors), 1 former coach lurking around which leads to that same black cloud of losing culture hovering above the front office but yet we want to be mad at PJ and Terry for saying what they said out loud which was far from a lie.
@@Hooderaw You must’ve forgot borrego brought that team to 2 play in series. Meaning we were winning atleast 35 games just only a few years ago. Borrego had structure. Batum never played so terry officially became our “Vet” by default even tho HE originally wanted his own team once leaving Celtics. Pj was a pick that literally surprised everyone and rui should’ve fell to us that year. Pj was picked Way too early but became one of our “vets” by default. What I’m saying is yes our front office has always been terrible but we’ve definitely had more players that have instilled more leadership in the past. Not blaming them for our failures but they were Lowkey always the problem. Hayward PJ Terry we’re always the players that never fit our true identity.
Isn’t it funny how better we look with them off the team. The contracts the injuries. Finally all over. Those moves alone just changed our culture. Bc now we don’t have these lazy ass “Vets” only playing 50 games combined 😂. There’s a big difference between having a winning culture and purely just having better team chemistry. Even smaller guys such as Bertans mann grant Williams brings so much to our locker room. Why is that? Bc they are from winning cultures that know how to play. Which is what we always needed. Not old ass vets getting their last bag before slowly retiring. Good young vets that still have that hunger. That’s what pj terry Hayward never had, but they all seemed to want much more money on each of their contracts. Foh. Glad new front office has started holding players accountable and making us a serious franchise. Enough with the feelings. No nba team holds on to trash players like us. I’m finally excited for future
@wonderkidd2549 play-ins are not playoff games. They literally don't count on the stats. Not to mention the fact that the team came in 10th and 9th at the end of the season and got BLOWN OUT 2 years str8. Regarding terry and Gordon, they were NEVER leaders. Terry only started in Boston when they had backcourt injuries. He was a bench guy up until that point and would have went back to the bench if they did not make the trade. And Gordon was an often injured player who started to come off the bench for Boston cause they had better players who were reliable. Gordon was never a leader. Kupchak got fleeced in that free agent signing. He was never worth that much even when he played for Utah. And PJ was never a leader. Mitch was too busy looking at building a team with the draft but didn't have the culture to help build those players up. It was literally the blind leading the blind. As fans, you guys need to stop blaming the people who are no longer here and concentrate on what needs to be changed, which is what I'm pointing out. PJ is who he is, Gordon is who he is, Terry is who he is, and that is on the front office for expecting to make orange juice out of lemons.
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PJ and Malik Monk are proof the Hornets have an eye for good rile players that don't fit their team/move their roster construction forward.
Usually a podcast listener but had to come on here for the haircut👍🏼
Not mad at PJ. Some fans didnt appreciate him, literally.
"all hE dOeS iS sHooT 3'S"
"he'S noT a GoOd reBoUnDeR"
They still clown him after the fact so idk why fans are so pissy at him. Organization (+ some fans) couldve did a whole lot better before former players get a chance to diss them. The time is now with new ownership, new coach, new everything to do things right so things wont go south like this again.
PJ is mid. Riding someone else’s wave to the finals, good for him
@HuvrkrftDallas has no chance vs Boston. That defense is Elite an Luka will shoot Dallas to a few losses for sure. Boston in 6.
@@fordebritt32% from 3. You can take PJ off the Hornets, not the Hornets out of PJ
@@fordebritt he mid TO YOU.
I'm just a Mavs fan here to talk a bit of trash, and I've literally never watched your show before, but I will say, the cut looks fresh!
My boy got the fresh cut!
Definitely need a starting SG or PF
As a hornets I am actually glad that PJ said that
Man, I hope we don’t draft another small guard!
I don’t believe having 2 big men that don’t shoot is necessary bad, look at the mavs. Gafford & Lively don’t shoot at all but play like REAL big men & that’s what we need
I'd be motivated to start changing the culture in Charlotte. Not upset at all with PJ. I'm rooting for them to win it all. I'd just be motivated over his laughing
Doug has to announce he got a haircut. Thought we got a new host for a second😂
Oh I couldn’t waited 3 minutes lol
PJ didn't bring up the Hornets. He was excited and hardly said anything to be upset about. Toughen up fans.
Right. It was Tyler Herro who said it in the live on Instagram.
Trade Bertans contract, this year's 1st and the 2 1st we got from Dallas and Miami to Utah for Lauri. Rather we keep Milies or sign n trade him for bench depth is up in the air. Ainge loves picks and I think a lineup of either Melo Miller Bridges Lauri Williams or Melo Miller G Williams Lauri Mark is easily a top 4 east team when healthy.
Kelly Oubre was basically begging to stay here and got his little who ha hurt when we didn't keep him.
100% he wanted to stay and we rejected him. He got butt hurt after he got dumped
Doug needs the hornets visor lol
The problem was kub. If our gm acts hesitant, the entire organization will. It felt like everyone was scared to put MJ back into debt, so they didn’t want to take any risks. I don’t think it’s an oddity that an alpha like Brandon miller started to shine once MJ and kub stepped down.
Congratulations to PJ i hope the best for him
Here's a question for the sicko satchel. Would Dalton Knecht be a good fit for Charlotte? If so, what are the chances that Charlotte would pick him up? (This question is inspired by my UT fandom)
I just think this kind of stuff is corny because as a former player you contributed to the loser mentality and gameplay
Or, he got sucked into the losing mentality that this organization never could fix for the last 20 years with only 3 playoff appearances since they got the team back. The Charlotte organization has a bad reputation with the players in this league. He's happy like a dog that has been let out of the basement for 5 years. You can try to blame the players, but after 20 year's you have to point at ownership and the front office. Even now with the new owners taking over they decided to keep Kupchak and Steve Clifford in the fold as advisors which is a bad look. This just shows that Jeff may not be 100% in charge as the old losing regimen has the ears of the new owner cause they don't fully trust jeff. No wonder more established gm's didn't want the job. You can't have a front office by committee.
@@Hooderaw I’m not saying that previous ownership didn’t contribute. But ultimately PJ is a mid tier player he’s not some star that was trapped, he’s still a mid tier player where he is now he’s just surrounded by two all time greats it’s no surprise his current team outlook is better. Leaving and then shitting on your previous team is still wack when you contributed to losing with mediocre inconsistent play
@ignorantenlightenment that mid tier player looking much better on the mavs than he did on the hornets. And that seems to be a pattern with the players who leave Charlotte and go to other teams with a better culture. Charlotte has a culture issue, not necessarily a talent issue. 20 years with 3 playoff appearances (no series wins) means they got at least 17 lottery picks and for 3 years right outside the lottery and they still have failed to get better. Even now they got Kupchak and Steve still lurking around the front office with the new gm in place. How do you change the culture when the owners are using these guys as advisors? You literally shrink the available gm and coaching pool by doing this, in my opinion. It starts with the front officer regarding culture change.
@@Hooderaw nah not really he looks absolutely identical actually. One great game wildly lackluster game the next that’s who he’s always been. Mid.
Also keeping Kupchak and Cliff around isn’t a bad idea, they didn’t need to be GM and coach anymore, but when it comes to evaluating talent they’re both top notch
Pj sucks balls no matter where he is at he's just lucky to get put on the mavs with Luka and kyrie clearly carrying him to a final victory
Just for clarification sake, you mentioned Tyler Herro commented on PJ‘s thing it wasn’t him. It was a tyler Herro fan page
Here for the haircut. Wasn't disappointed 👨🏻🍳😙
haircut looks good!
Yeah, it’s amazing how much easier it is to cultivate a winning culture and mentality when you play on a team with Luka and Kyrie. This conversation is dumb AF. So he’s not supposed to be happy he got to Dallas? Yall are being weird again and not adding anything new to the conversation, you’re just following the latest social media trend.
The strategic value of not revealing who we are working out and showing interest in is increased even more in a draft where there is no uniformity in how this draft will go. By not revealing our interest we are preventing other teams from being able to plan around our choice and opening opportunity for draft day trades should we want to.
I just want championship moves. Shoot for The Stars while we are in the lottery. FORGET ABOUT FIT. Then build around those stars that HIT. That's what BOTH TEAMS IN THE FINALS DID.
I need Star Upside...
Risacher
Cody Williams
Salaun
Castle
Sarr
Matas
Any of those 6 will be satisfactory. Any of those guys develop a jumper... Its LIT.
You look great Doug
Something that wasnt mentioned, is how the Hornets handled the Miles Bridges situation and how that reflects on the organization and "culture". Maybe David was sick of talking MB? Lol
Draft b. James then trade him to Lakers for assets. Sounds like a winner to me. Lol
Well, the good news is Brandon Miller isn't ruined yet. Lamelo is but too talented and injury prone to move on from. Hopefully, the new regime can wash out this nasty lackadaisical boring, can't play through injury attitudes that defines Charlotte Basketball. Move the ruined players (except for Lamelo) out.
None of those players were particularly good or culture changers. Just shit talkers. We'll be much better for jettisoning cheque cashers like Hayward and Rozier. They were not good veteran mentors. Gordon doesn't give a shit about basketball any more.
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im happy for pj and he wasnt wrong but the hornets players need to internalize that and use it as motivation to surpass them
They don't want pay money for a good players. And pay to much for over hype players. And when do get player that's good they can't keep them and build aound.
Who the heck is that!?
The evidence is Jalen Duren.
Bro got a haircut
Pj gets to play with luka...he also is a scrub on many teams...of course he is happy...who else they gonna pay on that team besides lively in 3 years lol...just pj...
Are we pulling for the Mavericks ? Because if the Celtics win, Charles Lee might back out of his commitment lol and we will hire James Borrego.
Highly unlikely, he's already putting together his coaching staff.
Hornets are so irrelevant and poorly run i don't blame anyone for leaving...unless they pay me the big bag...