I have to continually go back to John 3 to remember how straight forward Jesus explained it to nicodemus. Being born again means believing on His name. I used to think being born of water was baptism but I’ve learned that it means you have to literally be born of water from a womb and then be born again of the spirit.
I just had my eyes opened only a couple months ago. It's amazing to me how all of these things are right in front of us. All of the healings you are referencing.... they were there my whole life. Incredible.
C.S. Lewis once said something to the effect of, “the adversary often sends lies to the world in pairs, hoping your disdain for one will drive you in the arms of the other.” It seems like in an attempt to get away from something you don’t like (a church that doesn’t produce fruit), you’ve created a bit of a false dichotomy between faith and priesthood. If you were to pull up every reference from Joseph Smith (in terms of both quotes and scripture he produced), putting the picture together would require you to marry these two worlds in a way you’re currently not doing. “Being born again, comes by the Spirit of God through ordinances.” “Baptism is a holy ordinance preparatory to the reception of the Holy Ghost; it is the channel and key by which the Holy Ghost will be administered. The Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, cannot be received through the medium of any other principle than the principle of righteousness, for if the proposals are not complied with, it is of no use, but withdraws.” These quote capture the spirit in which these things come together. The ordinance (or ordination in the case of priesthood) opens a channel whereby certain blessings are obtained. This is in no way contradictory to the need for faith, but is rather a component to it. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, and the word of God must be delivered by a messenger sent to declare it (Romans 10:13-17). The ordination you receive at the hands of John the Baptist, or Peter, James, and John, or Joseph, etc, is in effect a word being delivered from God through the channel and order we call priesthood, upon which you must exercise faith in order to obtain power. It’s a performative contradiction to even appeal to Nephi (or any scripture) to argue, “you don’t need to go through any man to exercise faith to life and salvation.” Besides that anyway, Joseph explicitly taught: “There is no salvation between the two lids of the Bible without a legal administrator.” It’s a really big deal. Joseph set up a particular order to these things. In 1830, when his father was baptized, he said, “Praise to my God! I have lived to see my own father baptized into the true Church of Jesus Christ.” He didn’t say, “this is great, but my father should’ve known that the only thing keeping him from being saved was the illusion that he needed to find the true church.” This is the same reason D&C 22 required everyone joining the church be baptized anew into the new (restored “as in days of old”) covenant, and that previous baptisms availed nothing. But even Nephi asserts that valid baptisms, though necessary, are not enough on their own. Just because baptism doesn’t save you in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean it’s not necessary. Just because ordination doesn’t give you power in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean it’s not necessary. Just because people don’t know how to drive the Ferrari they’ve been gifted doesn’t mean they don’t have a Ferrari. Nor does it mean that knowing how to drive a Ferrari is the same thing as having one.
Also, on the note of false dichotomies, let's not also forget that Christ intends to make of his followers both kings and priests, and that Joseph spoke of a priesthood which "is a perfect law of theocracy, and stands AS God to give laws to the people, administering endless lives to the sons and daughters of Adam," and that Abraham (who walked and talked with God) still sought Melchizedek to receive this priesthood under his hand. Just because there are laws and officers doesn't automatically mean there is priestcraft and unrighteous dominion.
"Whenever men can find out the will of God and find an administrator legally authorized from God, there is the kingdom of God; but where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God; for nothing will save a man but a legal administrator; for none others will be acknowledged either by God or angels."
You're right, there is a dichotomy here. And true faith is required to resolve it. Here are some more things to consider: Those who cling so tightly to "the priesthood" in "the church" have unfounded confidence. Signs follow those who believe. They are confident that they have received the gift of the Holy Ghost, but cannot demonstrate the power thereof described in the scriptures. Those who claim priesthood and keys have no more power than a good Christian trying to follow Jesus. And yet we're called to go forth with massive power. So yeah--dichotomy. "Just because there are laws and officers doesn't automatically mean there is priestcraft and unrighteous dominion." - True. But in the case of what is currently taught in the LDS church, it is men setting themselves up as the way, and not God. Think about the recent talks by Elder Haynie. These talks are approved by the prophet, and they're disgusting. They point to men, not God. Priesthood does have the power of governance. But only sort of. Again, it's about the definition of words. Right now we think of governance as hierarchy and "follow me or else." It's strange that we have this view, because God never compels anyone to do anything. He invites, persuades, is patient, meek, merciful, longsuffering, loving, etc. Sounds like D&C 121, doesn't it? Sounds like servant leadership, doesn't it? "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood."
@@ajboyle to be honest man, you don’t know as much you think you do. My point isn’t that there’s a disparity between the church’s priesthood and faith. There certainly is. My point is that you seem to have trouble reconciling these concepts in light of that. Again, the church’s own failings within its covenant structure doesn’t mean it’s not a thing. Lack of Melchizedek power doesn’t mean authorized and ordained invitations aren’t real or important. Putting them in quotation marks as though they’re tenuous or superfluous doesn’t change that. Neither is it an opinion you can hold without rejecting Joseph Smith, or willingly ignoring what he taught to fit your own view. We don’t disagree on the true form of governance. My point was the pearl clutching around the word was misplaced, and doesn’t indicate you know what you’re talking about as much as you’re looking to blindly take a swing at something you hate. And look, I get it. You’re angry there’s no fruit. But the priesthood is a real thing, even if most don’t fulfill its order. It is the true vine, and cutting yourself off from it will leave the fruit you’re seeking just out of reach, and you left to yourself. You need the church and the priesthood because it is the ministry to which you’ve been called, and the people you’ve been called to serve, and from whose blood and sins you must come clean. We can agree that the current state of things is pretty bad. But the Lord’s people have almost never had it together in any age; it doesn’t make them any less his people, and his true servants suffer with them to try and return them to the root. These are obviously big concepts that are hard to express in comments. I would cite the Lectures on Priesthood series we put together on the Shattering Triangles channel for a longer-form explanation.
What a fresh, lucid approach; I'd excused some aspects of the Church leadership by thinking of it in as a Fraternal organization, hearing you point out the similairities to 1500 years of Catholicism and priestcraft has got some new gears turning in my head. Great scriptural defense of the thesis, after listening it seems ridiculous that one would have to find a priesthood holder to receive any blessing. Subbed!
Excellent explanation! I know these things are true. You have definitely been given a gift from God in order to put together and explain His word in an easy to understand way. I love the idea of these varying gifts being given to his children in order to bless All. Thank you for using this gift for the blessing of us all!
Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your willingness to re-examine the traditions of the church, ask hard questions, and seek the answers to those questions regardless of how uncomfortable those answers may be for some. I have always found the promise of Jesus to be true, that the truth will set us free. For me, each time a lie is uncovered, the true history revealed, and the traditions taught to me are smashed upon the rocks, the end result has never been a diminishing of my faith, but rather an increase. It is akin to being set free after a long imprisonment. I am always grateful to the Lord for the truth, regardless of where it takes me. I love the truth, for HE is the truth!
@@ajboyleThe Mormons have never been the Priests of The GOD of Abraham Isaac and Jacob never will be , that a lie the Mormon church has been speaking for years
Thank you Adam! You answered so many questions I had about the priesthood. The examples of the centurion and the woman were awesome! I also didn’t know that quote that Joseph smith said to the relief society. I want to share this with my husband, because this is what’s keeping him asleep.. the reliance on others for salvation. I love how you point out the need for Christ and faith in Him!! Not man. Thanks Adam!!
Faith is the key to God. However, I don't think most people disagree with that. The fundamental question is what is "priesthood" and what needs "priesthood" and what doesn't? I don't think faith and priesthood are synonymous, however I don't think priesthood can be conferred by man either.
Adam, Excellent. You are so right about the boxes we allow ourselves to be put in. Over my 71 years of being a member, I have watched the box makers continually strengthen their hold on most members who find it easier to follow the box men than the Lord's spirit. Sad, yet predictable. Good stuff, thanks.
Adam, great video! Well said! I have followed your faith journey for a while and have been on a similar myself over the last couple of years. Would love to chat sometime to share some thoughts. Let me know if you might be available to talk sometime.
Thanks, John! I'd love to chat. Please send me an email and we can work out a time to talk. You can find my email address in the About section of my channel. Reply here when you have sent an email so I can know to look for it!
One example that come to my mind is the rich young ruler who came to Jesus and asked what must I do to have eternal life. He wanted his check boxes but Jesus basically told him he had to have enough faith to give up everything and make God his only treasure. Jesus said it is finnished/done but religion says do this or do that. Adam great presentation, any personal update on your relationship with the church? I know from following your channel that you turned in your recommend after you were released. But with the ideas that you present I can't imagine that the rulers would take to kindly to the things you're saying. Truth is important and ones individual relationship with God is truly the only thing that ultimately matters. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life. He sets us free, he takes hearts of stone and makes them flesh, he takes those that are dead in their sin and gives them life, he takes those that are spiritually blind and gives them sight. When I think of faith, I think of him that saves. Love you brother, keep true to the faith wherever it leads.
It will definitely rile pharisaical thinking individuals just as Jesus riled them in his day. Truth is always reviled against. But for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, it will speak deep. See Matt 13... Jesus quotes Isaiah for a reason.
No update to speak of in my relationship with the church. I'm still a pariah without a calling. I do have a calling, but it's currently not in the church. :)
This is why the scriptures are so important. It's so easy to look over these things when you're reading with "Mormon colored glasses" on. New Testament, Book of Mormon and even D&C all point towards how false some of the widely held LDS ideas are, but it's ignored for the sake of ease and complicity with 'inspired leaders'. Great video!
Priesthood equals priestcraft… Bam! So good. Finally finished this presentation and everything was right on. Thanks for this, Adam! I know it’s hard work to put these together and takes your time but we sure appreciate it. Some of y’all really have a gift for putting all of this together and it’s really helpful to share with people we love.
Yes, he did crush it! I don't think it could possibly go to his head by the mere fact of the topic and presentation he laid out. 😊 General members of the church would be freaking out listening to this. How many people will wake up? I wonder.
@@originalintent6916That's hilarious as he physically has a big head and can't find hats to fit him lol but he certainly doesn't get a big head over things he shares. I've been married to him for 31 years and if he ever did get one, his wife would keep him in check. God is only using him as an instrument to reflect true principles. The source of truth is from God which I feel from this video. D&C 50 "Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together. That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day. And by giving heed and doing these things which ye have received, and which ye shall hereafter receive-and the kingdom is given you of the Father, and power to overcome all things that are not ordained of him. Wherefore, I am in your midst, and I am the good shepherd, and the stone of Israel. He that buildeth upon this rock shall never fall."
These videos have helped me make much more sense of things. I've felt dissonance with these religious topics for so long. Thank you so much for your videos!
I know everyone is at different points in their view of religion. However, the more that I look at "priesthood" the more that I realize that Joseph had it wrong and was overcome with Sidney's idea of a rigid structure. We take everything from Joseph as the truth, however the more that I look at Joseph the more that I realize things went sideways almost immediately. God lets us do what we want even if it's a really dumb idea.
Members of the church have not been taught our true history. BY and others immediately upon the death of Joseph and Hyrum scribbled out sections and added things to change the meaning of what was intended. The proof of this is found throughout the Joseph Smith Papers. Soon everything will be corrected and our feet set on the path. We need to realize we're under condemnation and have an open heart when all truth will be made known and not reject the fullness.
Amazing video, thank you. Lately I've wondered what's required for these miracles to happen - I did a deep dive into being clean and righteousness and concluded that they are not the same thing. Would love your insight on the two like is righteousness required for a miracle, is it required for faith? Does one need to be clean to have faith, etc...
I love the thought that being clean and being righteous are different things, although they are closely related. Miracles require faith plus God's Spirit. Faith comes by hearing the word of God and acting on it. (Righteousness) In one sense, any progress in improving your standing or changing your heart before God, by acting in faith is a miracle. And no, you don't need to be clean to have faith...otherwise we'd be doomed. But greater miracles come by acting in greater portions of his Spirit and doing his will. That requires both righteousness and becoming clean. Becoming clean is a gift from God, and is much more freely available than people believe. Anyway, your thoughts are awesome, and I probably didn't answer the question. Your thoughts?
@@ajboyle I don't have any more thoughts at the moment, other than the woman who had an issue of blood was considered unclean, yet she received healing. Perhaps there's multiple types of being "clean"?
I hope you were able to figure this out. The sound is fine with a pair of headphones, but I did notice that one side of the stereo signal is louder than the other. So if you're only listening to the one side of the stereo signal it might be low volume.
@@ajboyle Don't know what happened but this morning I listened to it and it was fine. I was able to make it so we could watch it on the TV so my husband could hear it. We agree on just about everything you said. There was one part where I wasn't sure I did but I don't remember what it was. We did enjoy and appreciate it. Thanks and keep up the good work.
D&C 10 67 Behold, this is my doctrine-WHOSOEVER repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church. 68 Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church.
Your message is pure inspiration. In the church we see priesthood something like a special power no one has unless it's given by God. We assume that because that person has the priesthood, he can put his hands on the seek and heal them. But you actually pointed out the real power. Faith which is the spirit of God. Where did you find the words of Joseph Smith about the women can also bless the sick? I subscribed to your channel because I like the way you explain things. Nobody ever in the church has teach it the way you did.
Hi Adam. I thought this presentation was exceptional. I do have one question though pertaining to water baptism. That needs to be performed by one given the proper authority from God, right? It can’t just be anyone doing the baptizing. Therefore, what were all those people during the dark ages supposed to do about the baptism component of the equation? There appear to be examples in scripture where people are “born again’ - not sure if that’s just a baptism of fire or also the baptism of the Holy Ghost as well - before any water baptism. Just curious about your thoughts on how the water baptism fits into the equation.
I think this is a great question. And I consider it one of the mysteries--to which I think we have some answers. First, 1 Nephi 3:7 says that if God gives a commandment then he will prepare a way for accomplishing it. If this is true, and God gave a commandment for all to be baptized during his ministry, did God give people a commandment that they could not accomplish after the keys and "priesthood" were gone? We've got tons of examples of people born in periods of apostasy who received visits from angels and ordinations from God, and even authority from God to baptize. Alma Senior seems to be one of these - at the waters of Mormon. Seems like he obtained authority "out of nowhere". But God provided a way. I quoted Moroni who said "For if there be one among you that doeth good, he shall work by the power and gifts of God." Only one person? That means nobody to baptize you...and yet God provides a way. D&C 82:10 - I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise. People put SO MUCH trust in Churches and authority today that they don't even bother asking God the right questions: "what should I do next?" and "how in the world am I supposed to do that?" It was suggested to my mind a while back that we are all baptized by water when we are in the womb, and that we are born of water when we are born. It's possible that this is sufficient for some, but we do see the example of Jesus going to one who was given authority by an angel (John the Baptist) for a baptism by water. I think his Father directed him to do this by revelation. This should certainly be part of our journey if God so directs, and I do think he asks for that in 2 Nephi 31. So make this a matter of prayer and faith. God does provide these answers. He has answered that exact question for me in miraculous ways.
How do you reconcile this entire concept with the priesthood concept that Joseph taught? For instance, D&C 84, 107, and 124. Joseph didn't teach a priesthood by faith, but a priesthood by ordination.
You emphasize faith, citing Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, but Smith also taught about the restoration of priesthood authority and priesthood keys for administering ordinances, which are central to LDS doctrine. How do you reconcile using his teachings to support faith while ignoring his claims about the necessity of priesthood and keys for salvation? For clarity, I’m simply steel manning the LDS perspective and don’t have a personal stake. Do you believe Smith’s prophetic role applies only to translating the Book of Mormon but not to his teachings on priesthood and keys?
Thanks for your sincere questions. I believe almost everything that Joseph actually said. It makes me sad that people deny Joseph's revelations after the Book of Mormon and say that God forbade him to do any more. I find that to be a ridiculous argument. If you'd like I'll refer you to a video that debunks that line of thinking. "Keys for salvation" are not locks that keep you out. They are ideas and empowerment from God to allow people to lay hold on the gifts that God freely gives. As I said at the end of my video, I'm not saying priesthood is not needed. I'm saying the opposite. The problem is that people don't understand the purpose of priesthood or what keys really are. They believe that priesthood and priesthood keys mean that you have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get to God. Priesthood is meant to assist you in getting to God, but it should NEVER get in the way (or Amen to the authority and power of that person, because they're practicing priestcrafts). I do have more thoughts and clarification on what keys really are--and using scripture to back it up. I'll probably do another video on keys soon.
You sound like such a Christian! Just drop the Joseph Smith- you’re so close!!!!😂 But seriously. You mention Lectures on Faith. There’s nothing in there that Christians don’t already know. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel - you just told us the great apostasy idea is false! You’re on the right track!! Just keep going Adam
Thanks for your encouragement. :) Joseph Smith was a massive bright light in his day. The Book of Mormon is astounding, and teaches something far different from what the LDS church believes, and is completely consistent with Jesus' teachings on being born again of the Spirit. But, as with every other attempt at introducing light in the history of the world, it has been squelched, history has been rewritten, and the Joseph that people are told about today is different than the real man. I do appreciate your positive feedback. It's all about coming to Christ. Every good Christian can attain to this if they hold fast to the word of God and follow Jesus.
The Jewish High Priesthood was organized to atone for the sins of the people through sacrifice. This was the office of High Priest. No High Priest today can atone for my sins. They may call themselves High Priests but they are false and imposters.
How did the Jews still hold keys until John the Baptist was born and they were delivered to them by an angel in D&C 84 or what were those keys? This is what makes me think keys are a little more complicated than others might lead us to believe.
Good point, Caden! Keys unlock. John was "ordained" or commissioned by an angel to make straight the way of the Lord, to prepare the people for the coming of the Lord. This ordination, or "keys" gave him the mission and right and power to do that work. I'd say he did a great job with those. Now if a Pope was given that same commission, or "keys", he'd charge money and tell people they're damned if they don't get baptized by him.
Very thought-provoking video! The gifts of the spirit come to all who are filled with faith and are seeking to keep the commandments of God to the best of their understanding, regardless of religion, sex, age, intelligence, ability, etc. Faith begets power, indeed! Blessings come by faith! But priesthood _is_ meant to “serve” as a governing structure for the church. Ruling is not inherently bad. And it’s as erroneous for the men who get puffed up in their priesthood office as it is for any of us to think that priesthood gives them any special power. While you drive in the point clearly that power (in or out of the priesthood) comes from God by faith (and not from man by ordination), the video presentation was perhaps heavy handed in some parts against the institution of priesthood in the Lord’s church. Alma, Nephi, Joseph Smith, and many other mighty men of faith followed the practice in the church of ordaining men, by revelation, to the priesthood ministry to preach the gospel and administer the ordinances. “No man taketh this honor unto himself…” While the high priesthood or holy order-what all other priesthoods point to-comes by the calling of the voice of God out of heaven, there are still appendages to this priesthood as intermediate stepping stones to prepare the heart and mind of the believer for the “real thing”, which comes by faith. Such is the calling (which, by the way, must come by revelation-a far cry from what happens in the LDS church). Those with faith are ultimately chosen/elected. God has more in mind than salvation on the individual level, which you have correctly concluded relies on faithfulness, not priesthood happenstance. The “something more” than individual salvation, involving the entire body of Christ, is the church coming out from the wilderness, which culminates in the redemption of Zion. This marvelous work of the Father needs structure and order, governed by servant-leaders who are already filled with power by faith, virtue, and holiness. Many of us coming from the LDS church confuse priesthood as power, and have been influenced by virtue of priesthood (red flag). This doesn’t make priesthood as a governing structure bad, because all true priesthood is governed by the Spirit of God. What the LDS church has is a false priesthood. So for instance we can say the baptisms by water in the LDS church are not performed by rightly ordained priesthood, BUT access to the blessings the dead works point to are freely accessible to all faithful believers, even if they or their “priesthood leaders” were deceived about authority. Water baptism points to the baptism of the spirit, and laying on of hands by proper authority is meant to declare the legal right of the confirmed to lay hold upon the gift of the Holy Ghost by faith, which a person may acquire by their faithfulness alone if no priesthood is there to facilitate and guide them in their walk. When God establishes an outward system such as the priesthood as seen in churches in every age, designed to point the way to the internal blessings that come directly from Him, the presence of counterfeit outward systems that “having a form of godliness, deny the power thereof”, does not negate the reality of a “proper outward system”. You and I on an individual level _don’t need_ the priesthood for salvation. But Zion, on a group level, _does need_ the proper structure of the priesthood “for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:” Our God is a God of covenants, and his plan of salvation is about the family, or house, or Israel. Priesthood, and the necessary and enabling keys of knowledge to act in it properly, are critical in his grand plan.
Totally agree that there is a need for priesthood in the way that you describe it. This is demonstrated in the Book of Mormon every time there is a revival of people coming back to God. (Priests and teachers are called, to serve, teach, and guide.) Here's part of my reply to a different comment that relates to this: Priesthood does have the power of governance. But we get the wrong idea when we think of "governance". Again, it's about the definition of words. Right now we think of governance as hierarchy and "follow me or else." It's strange that we have this view, because God never compels anyone to do anything. He invites, persuades, is patient, meek, merciful, longsuffering, loving, etc. Sounds like D&C 121, doesn't it? Sounds like servant leadership, doesn't it? "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood."
@@ajboyle it’s hard to make a video about priesthood because there’s “priesthood” as it is understood and practiced in apostate churches, and then there’s “priesthood” as discussed in scripture. It seems like your video was primarily concerned with the former. Priestcraft, more like, which you did say.
Sorry but this was not a good presentation. My biggest problem is that while I agree, probably 100%, with everything you said about Faith. I am now almost certain you don’t actually know what the priesthood is, the oath and covenant of the priesthood, the purpose of the temple, or what Joseph actually taught and revealed about priesthood power and authority. I’m astounded you went nearly 60 minutes talking about faith and priesthood and never once brought up D&C section 84. Or section 20. Or 107. Or 88! Speaking of faith and priesthood, have you read Joseph’s sermon on Calling and Election? You misunderstood what 2nephi 28 was talking about. Maybe because you are speaking on priesthood in every church and not just lds but either way. And you began the video was straw men. You don’t seem to understand what the passages in revelation 3 are talking about (probably because you don’t understand priesthood and kingship theology), you emphasize Melchizedek’s faith to perform miracles but failed to acknowledge that he was Also the King of Salem, and a High Priest. Melchizedek literally means “King of Righteousness.” While lectures on Faith is my favorite work aside from the standard works, it does not do what you think it does. It doesn’t denigrate the priesthood. Doesn’t put it down or say you don’t need priesthood. You seemed to think it was a gotcha that Christ and the apostles acted through faith to perform miracles and heal but it’s not. Christ is the “Only Begotten” there is not a miracle or work or ordinance or NOTHING that has ever been done since the foundation of the World that was not done through Christ. God created the world “by my Only begotten.” You cannot even call on the name of God except in the name of the Only Begotten” and the Apostles before they performed works and miracles were set apart as apostles. So yes it’s true you can’t do anything without Faith. Literally anything. You cannot get out of bed and go about your day except through Faith. Reread lecture 1. That doesn’t mean it’s Faith Vs priesthood. Priesthood works precisely because of faith. Rant over.
There's much to be said on priesthood, and an hour was as condensed as I could get it on what I had to say, so there are definitely blanks left to be filled in. I've spoken at length on D&C 84 in many of my previous videos. It's very important. Perhaps I'll take it up the oath and covenant of the priesthood in the context of your comments on another video. D&C 20 and 107 speak of the responsibilities of various priesthood offices. Priesthood is an order of people who are commissioned to do the work of God. They are commissioned to do so with POWER, but are not given power by virtue of their ordination. That power comes by faith and the Holy Ghost. That's the entire point of my presentation. I probably will go into this deeper. Please go re-read Lecture 3 and notice how it talks about power unto salvation. It says that everyone in every age has the power to lay hold on salvation. Everyone has the authority. Even in the dark ages. Again, it's not about priesthood. It's about faith in Christ. That's where power and true priesthood come from.
@@GCS3T my thoughts are the doctrine in 132 makes sense to me. The history doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But I think Joseph was a good man and a prophet, and from the testimonies I’ve heard from some of the wives, they would support that. So that’s what I think
Truth is a beautiful thing. Thank you for your efforts and for the time involved in preparing these videos. They are so helpful.
Adam, you have given words to what has been in my heart for over two years now. God bless you!
I have to continually go back to John 3 to remember how straight forward Jesus explained it to nicodemus. Being born again means believing on His name. I used to think being born of water was baptism but I’ve learned that it means you have to literally be born of water from a womb and then be born again of the spirit.
Boom 💥! This one is spot on. So good Adam! Pure gospel truths.
Thank you for this inspired message! It’s truth is wonderful and so important to understand and live by.
I just had my eyes opened only a couple months ago. It's amazing to me how all of these things are right in front of us. All of the healings you are referencing.... they were there my whole life. Incredible.
C.S. Lewis once said something to the effect of, “the adversary often sends lies to the world in pairs, hoping your disdain for one will drive you in the arms of the other.”
It seems like in an attempt to get away from something you don’t like (a church that doesn’t produce fruit), you’ve created a bit of a false dichotomy between faith and priesthood. If you were to pull up every reference from Joseph Smith (in terms of both quotes and scripture he produced), putting the picture together would require you to marry these two worlds in a way you’re currently not doing.
“Being born again, comes by the Spirit of God through ordinances.” “Baptism is a holy ordinance preparatory to the reception of the Holy Ghost; it is the channel and key by which the Holy Ghost will be administered. The Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, cannot be received through the medium of any other principle than the principle of righteousness, for if the proposals are not complied with, it is of no use, but withdraws.”
These quote capture the spirit in which these things come together. The ordinance (or ordination in the case of priesthood) opens a channel whereby certain blessings are obtained. This is in no way contradictory to the need for faith, but is rather a component to it. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, and the word of God must be delivered by a messenger sent to declare it (Romans 10:13-17). The ordination you receive at the hands of John the Baptist, or Peter, James, and John, or Joseph, etc, is in effect a word being delivered from God through the channel and order we call priesthood, upon which you must exercise faith in order to obtain power.
It’s a performative contradiction to even appeal to Nephi (or any scripture) to argue, “you don’t need to go through any man to exercise faith to life and salvation.” Besides that anyway, Joseph explicitly taught: “There is no salvation between the two lids of the Bible without a legal administrator.”
It’s a really big deal. Joseph set up a particular order to these things. In 1830, when his father was baptized, he said, “Praise to my God! I have lived to see my own father baptized into the true Church of Jesus Christ.” He didn’t say, “this is great, but my father should’ve known that the only thing keeping him from being saved was the illusion that he needed to find the true church.” This is the same reason D&C 22 required everyone joining the church be baptized anew into the new (restored “as in days of old”) covenant, and that previous baptisms availed nothing. But even Nephi asserts that valid baptisms, though necessary, are not enough on their own. Just because baptism doesn’t save you in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean it’s not necessary. Just because ordination doesn’t give you power in-and-of-itself doesn’t mean it’s not necessary.
Just because people don’t know how to drive the Ferrari they’ve been gifted doesn’t mean they don’t have a Ferrari. Nor does it mean that knowing how to drive a Ferrari is the same thing as having one.
Also, on the note of false dichotomies, let's not also forget that Christ intends to make of his followers both kings and priests, and that Joseph spoke of a priesthood which "is a perfect law of theocracy, and stands AS God to give laws to the people, administering endless lives to the sons and daughters of Adam," and that Abraham (who walked and talked with God) still sought Melchizedek to receive this priesthood under his hand. Just because there are laws and officers doesn't automatically mean there is priestcraft and unrighteous dominion.
"Whenever men can find out the will of God and find an administrator legally authorized from God, there is the kingdom of God; but where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God; for nothing will save a man but a legal administrator; for none others will be acknowledged either by God or angels."
You didn’t give a reference for your quotes
You're right, there is a dichotomy here. And true faith is required to resolve it. Here are some more things to consider:
Those who cling so tightly to "the priesthood" in "the church" have unfounded confidence. Signs follow those who believe. They are confident that they have received the gift of the Holy Ghost, but cannot demonstrate the power thereof described in the scriptures. Those who claim priesthood and keys have no more power than a good Christian trying to follow Jesus. And yet we're called to go forth with massive power. So yeah--dichotomy.
"Just because there are laws and officers doesn't automatically mean there is priestcraft and unrighteous dominion." - True. But in the case of what is currently taught in the LDS church, it is men setting themselves up as the way, and not God. Think about the recent talks by Elder Haynie. These talks are approved by the prophet, and they're disgusting. They point to men, not God.
Priesthood does have the power of governance. But only sort of. Again, it's about the definition of words.
Right now we think of governance as hierarchy and "follow me or else." It's strange that we have this view, because God never compels anyone to do anything. He invites, persuades, is patient, meek, merciful, longsuffering, loving, etc. Sounds like D&C 121, doesn't it? Sounds like servant leadership, doesn't it? "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood."
@@ajboyle to be honest man, you don’t know as much you think you do.
My point isn’t that there’s a disparity between the church’s priesthood and faith. There certainly is. My point is that you seem to have trouble reconciling these concepts in light of that.
Again, the church’s own failings within its covenant structure doesn’t mean it’s not a thing. Lack of Melchizedek power doesn’t mean authorized and ordained invitations aren’t real or important. Putting them in quotation marks as though they’re tenuous or superfluous doesn’t change that. Neither is it an opinion you can hold without rejecting Joseph Smith, or willingly ignoring what he taught to fit your own view.
We don’t disagree on the true form of governance. My point was the pearl clutching around the word was misplaced, and doesn’t indicate you know what you’re talking about as much as you’re looking to blindly take a swing at something you hate.
And look, I get it. You’re angry there’s no fruit. But the priesthood is a real thing, even if most don’t fulfill its order. It is the true vine, and cutting yourself off from it will leave the fruit you’re seeking just out of reach, and you left to yourself.
You need the church and the priesthood because it is the ministry to which you’ve been called, and the people you’ve been called to serve, and from whose blood and sins you must come clean.
We can agree that the current state of things is pretty bad. But the Lord’s people have almost never had it together in any age; it doesn’t make them any less his people, and his true servants suffer with them to try and return them to the root.
These are obviously big concepts that are hard to express in comments. I would cite the Lectures on Priesthood series we put together on the Shattering Triangles channel for a longer-form explanation.
What a fresh, lucid approach; I'd excused some aspects of the Church leadership by thinking of it in as a Fraternal organization, hearing you point out the similairities to 1500 years of Catholicism and priestcraft has got some new gears turning in my head. Great scriptural defense of the thesis, after listening it seems ridiculous that one would have to find a priesthood holder to receive any blessing. Subbed!
@@andrewgordon6001 hey Andrew, great to see you here!
@@ajboyleGo Your Bible and read Exodus 19:1-6, Did GOD Almighty say this to any other nation of people besides the children of Israel
After talking with you, I'm not at all surprised that we are on the same page. Great stuff! Amen Brother.
Excellent explanation! I know these things are true. You have definitely been given a gift from God in order to put together and explain His word in an easy to understand way. I love the idea of these varying gifts being given to his children in order to bless All. Thank you for using this gift for the blessing of us all!
Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your willingness to re-examine the traditions of the church, ask hard questions, and seek the answers to those questions regardless of how uncomfortable those answers may be for some. I have always found the promise of Jesus to be true, that the truth will set us free. For me, each time a lie is uncovered, the true history revealed, and the traditions taught to me are smashed upon the rocks, the end result has never been a diminishing of my faith, but rather an increase. It is akin to being set free after a long imprisonment. I am always grateful to the Lord for the truth, regardless of where it takes me. I love the truth, for HE is the truth!
Totally agree--real faith, by definition, has to be based in TRUTH, so this work is all about helping people to increase true faith.
@@ajboyleThe Mormons have never been the Priests of The GOD of Abraham Isaac and Jacob never will be , that a lie the Mormon church has been speaking for years
Thank you Adam! You answered so many questions I had about the priesthood. The examples of the centurion and the woman were awesome! I also didn’t know that quote that Joseph smith said to the relief society. I want to share this with my husband, because this is what’s keeping him asleep.. the reliance on others for salvation. I love how you point out the need for Christ and faith in Him!! Not man. Thanks Adam!!
Faith is the key to God. However, I don't think most people disagree with that.
The fundamental question is what is "priesthood" and what needs "priesthood" and what doesn't? I don't think faith and priesthood are synonymous, however I don't think priesthood can be conferred by man either.
Your work is Truth!
Adam, Excellent. You are so right about the boxes we allow ourselves to be put in. Over my 71 years of being a member, I have watched the box makers continually strengthen their hold on most members who find it easier to follow the box men than the Lord's spirit. Sad, yet predictable. Good stuff, thanks.
Adam, great video! Well said! I have followed your faith journey for a while and have been on a similar myself over the last couple of years. Would love to chat sometime to share some thoughts. Let me know if you might be available to talk sometime.
Thanks, John! I'd love to chat. Please send me an email and we can work out a time to talk. You can find my email address in the About section of my channel. Reply here when you have sent an email so I can know to look for it!
@@ajboyle thanks for the reply! I sent you an email. Look forward to talking.
One example that come to my mind is the rich young ruler who came to Jesus and asked what must I do to have eternal life. He wanted his check boxes but Jesus basically told him he had to have enough faith to give up everything and make God his only treasure.
Jesus said it is finnished/done but religion says do this or do that.
Adam great presentation, any personal update on your relationship with the church? I know from following your channel that you turned in your recommend after you were released. But with the ideas that you present I can't imagine that the rulers would take to kindly to the things you're saying. Truth is important and ones individual relationship with God is truly the only thing that ultimately matters. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life. He sets us free, he takes hearts of stone and makes them flesh, he takes those that are dead in their sin and gives them life, he takes those that are spiritually blind and gives them sight. When I think of faith, I think of him that saves.
Love you brother, keep true to the faith wherever it leads.
It will definitely rile pharisaical thinking individuals just as Jesus riled them in his day. Truth is always reviled against. But for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, it will speak deep. See Matt 13... Jesus quotes Isaiah for a reason.
No update to speak of in my relationship with the church. I'm still a pariah without a calling. I do have a calling, but it's currently not in the church. :)
@ajboyle that's ok. Jesus was a pariah in his day. The world will hate you because it first gated him but he overcame the world.
This is why the scriptures are so important. It's so easy to look over these things when you're reading with "Mormon colored glasses" on. New Testament, Book of Mormon and even D&C all point towards how false some of the widely held LDS ideas are, but it's ignored for the sake of ease and complicity with 'inspired leaders'. Great video!
Priesthood equals priestcraft… Bam! So good. Finally finished this presentation and everything was right on. Thanks for this, Adam! I know it’s hard work to put these together and takes your time but we sure appreciate it. Some of y’all really have a gift for putting all of this together and it’s really helpful to share with people we love.
Adam, you crushed this, just like you always do. Don't get a big head, though :)
Yes, he did crush it! I don't think it could possibly go to his head by the mere fact of the topic and presentation he laid out. 😊 General members of the church would be freaking out listening to this. How many people will wake up? I wonder.
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment, and I'll be careful. 😅
@@originalintent6916That's hilarious as he physically has a big head and can't find hats to fit him lol but he certainly doesn't get a big head over things he shares. I've been married to him for 31 years and if he ever did get one, his wife would keep him in check. God is only using him as an instrument to reflect true principles. The source of truth is from God which I feel from this video. D&C 50 "Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together. That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day. And by giving heed and doing these things which ye have received, and which ye shall hereafter receive-and the kingdom is given you of the Father, and power to overcome all things that are not ordained of him. Wherefore, I am in your midst, and I am the good shepherd, and the stone of Israel. He that buildeth upon this rock shall never fall."
These videos have helped me make much more sense of things. I've felt dissonance with these religious topics for so long. Thank you so much for your videos!
Amen!!!!!!!!
I enjoyed this study. Thank you!
2nd Nephi 28 is my go too to explain the the LDS Church has been on the wrong track for a very long time
another great presentation.
I know everyone is at different points in their view of religion. However, the more that I look at "priesthood" the more that I realize that Joseph had it wrong and was overcome with Sidney's idea of a rigid structure. We take everything from Joseph as the truth, however the more that I look at Joseph the more that I realize things went sideways almost immediately.
God lets us do what we want even if it's a really dumb idea.
Yep. You’d like Doug Hatten’s (teacher in Zion) presentation on “is priesthood a thing”. He’s so thorough. It’s excellent.
Members of the church have not been taught our true history. BY and others immediately upon the death of Joseph and Hyrum scribbled out sections and added things to change the meaning of what was intended. The proof of this is found throughout the Joseph Smith Papers. Soon everything will be corrected and our feet set on the path. We need to realize we're under condemnation and have an open heart when all truth will be made known and not reject the fullness.
Amazing video, thank you. Lately I've wondered what's required for these miracles to happen - I did a deep dive into being clean and righteousness and concluded that they are not the same thing. Would love your insight on the two like is righteousness required for a miracle, is it required for faith? Does one need to be clean to have faith, etc...
I love the thought that being clean and being righteous are different things, although they are closely related. Miracles require faith plus God's Spirit. Faith comes by hearing the word of God and acting on it. (Righteousness) In one sense, any progress in improving your standing or changing your heart before God, by acting in faith is a miracle. And no, you don't need to be clean to have faith...otherwise we'd be doomed. But greater miracles come by acting in greater portions of his Spirit and doing his will. That requires both righteousness and becoming clean. Becoming clean is a gift from God, and is much more freely available than people believe.
Anyway, your thoughts are awesome, and I probably didn't answer the question. Your thoughts?
@@ajboyle I don't have any more thoughts at the moment, other than the woman who had an issue of blood was considered unclean, yet she received healing. Perhaps there's multiple types of being "clean"?
Looking forward to this one but I hope the volume improves because I have everything turned up but can barely hear you.
I hope you were able to figure this out. The sound is fine with a pair of headphones, but I did notice that one side of the stereo signal is louder than the other. So if you're only listening to the one side of the stereo signal it might be low volume.
@@ajboyle Don't know what happened but this morning I listened to it and it was fine. I was able to make it so we could watch it on the TV so my husband could hear it. We agree on just about everything you said. There was one part where I wasn't sure I did but I don't remember what it was. We did enjoy and appreciate it. Thanks and keep up the good work.
So good. Thanks Adam
We're in an upside down world. Stranger things are going to get even stranger.😮
D&C 10
67 Behold, this is my doctrine-WHOSOEVER repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church.
68 Whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me, but is against me; therefore he is not of my church.
Your message is pure inspiration. In the church we see priesthood something like a special power no one has unless it's given by God. We assume that because that person has the priesthood, he can put his hands on the seek and heal them. But you actually pointed out the real power. Faith which is the spirit of God. Where did you find the words of Joseph Smith about the women can also bless the sick? I subscribed to your channel because I like the way you explain things. Nobody ever in the church has teach it the way you did.
Thank you! Here's a link to the sermon to the Relief Society:
www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-28-april-1842/1
Hi Adam. I thought this presentation was exceptional. I do have one question though pertaining to water baptism. That needs to be performed by one given the proper authority from God, right? It can’t just be anyone doing the baptizing. Therefore, what were all those people during the dark ages supposed to do about the baptism component of the equation? There appear to be examples in scripture where people are “born again’ - not sure if that’s just a baptism of fire or also the baptism of the Holy Ghost as well - before any water baptism. Just curious about your thoughts on how the water baptism fits into the equation.
I think this is a great question. And I consider it one of the mysteries--to which I think we have some answers.
First, 1 Nephi 3:7 says that if God gives a commandment then he will prepare a way for accomplishing it.
If this is true, and God gave a commandment for all to be baptized during his ministry, did God give people a commandment that they could not accomplish after the keys and "priesthood" were gone?
We've got tons of examples of people born in periods of apostasy who received visits from angels and ordinations from God, and even authority from God to baptize. Alma Senior seems to be one of these - at the waters of Mormon. Seems like he obtained authority "out of nowhere". But God provided a way.
I quoted Moroni who said "For if there be one among you that doeth good, he shall work by the power and gifts of God."
Only one person? That means nobody to baptize you...and yet God provides a way.
D&C 82:10 - I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.
People put SO MUCH trust in Churches and authority today that they don't even bother asking God the right questions: "what should I do next?" and "how in the world am I supposed to do that?"
It was suggested to my mind a while back that we are all baptized by water when we are in the womb, and that we are born of water when we are born. It's possible that this is sufficient for some, but we do see the example of Jesus going to one who was given authority by an angel (John the Baptist) for a baptism by water. I think his Father directed him to do this by revelation. This should certainly be part of our journey if God so directs, and I do think he asks for that in 2 Nephi 31.
So make this a matter of prayer and faith. God does provide these answers. He has answered that exact question for me in miraculous ways.
@@ajboyle thank you!
Hey OI, I know you'll be here.
haha, nice
If Priesthood keys are even a thing then their are only 3 on the Earth at this Time and Nelson or anyone we know does not hold them
What do you mean when you say "there are only 3 on the Earth at this time"?
How do you reconcile this entire concept with the priesthood concept that Joseph taught?
For instance, D&C 84, 107, and 124. Joseph didn't teach a priesthood by faith, but a priesthood by ordination.
You emphasize faith, citing Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, but Smith also taught about the restoration of priesthood authority and priesthood keys for administering ordinances, which are central to LDS doctrine. How do you reconcile using his teachings to support faith while ignoring his claims about the necessity of priesthood and keys for salvation?
For clarity, I’m simply steel manning the LDS perspective and don’t have a personal stake. Do you believe Smith’s prophetic role applies only to translating the Book of Mormon but not to his teachings on priesthood and keys?
Thanks for your sincere questions.
I believe almost everything that Joseph actually said. It makes me sad that people deny Joseph's revelations after the Book of Mormon and say that God forbade him to do any more. I find that to be a ridiculous argument. If you'd like I'll refer you to a video that debunks that line of thinking.
"Keys for salvation" are not locks that keep you out. They are ideas and empowerment from God to allow people to lay hold on the gifts that God freely gives.
As I said at the end of my video, I'm not saying priesthood is not needed. I'm saying the opposite. The problem is that people don't understand the purpose of priesthood or what keys really are. They believe that priesthood and priesthood keys mean that you have to rely on the arm of the flesh to get to God. Priesthood is meant to assist you in getting to God, but it should NEVER get in the way (or Amen to the authority and power of that person, because they're practicing priestcrafts).
I do have more thoughts and clarification on what keys really are--and using scripture to back it up. I'll probably do another video on keys soon.
35:12 I laughed at this part haha
You might want to address Mosiah 21:33 and how it relates to your thesis.
You sound like such a Christian! Just drop the Joseph Smith- you’re so close!!!!😂
But seriously. You mention Lectures on Faith. There’s nothing in there that Christians don’t already know. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel - you just told us the great apostasy idea is false! You’re on the right track!! Just keep going Adam
Thanks for your encouragement. :)
Joseph Smith was a massive bright light in his day. The Book of Mormon is astounding, and teaches something far different from what the LDS church believes, and is completely consistent with Jesus' teachings on being born again of the Spirit. But, as with every other attempt at introducing light in the history of the world, it has been squelched, history has been rewritten, and the Joseph that people are told about today is different than the real man.
I do appreciate your positive feedback. It's all about coming to Christ. Every good Christian can attain to this if they hold fast to the word of God and follow Jesus.
The Jewish High Priesthood was organized to atone for the sins of the people through sacrifice. This was the office of High Priest. No High Priest today can atone for my sins. They may call themselves High Priests but they are false and imposters.
How did the Jews still hold keys until John the Baptist was born and they were delivered to them by an angel in D&C 84 or what were those keys? This is what makes me think keys are a little more complicated than others might lead us to believe.
Good point, Caden!
Keys unlock. John was "ordained" or commissioned by an angel to make straight the way of the Lord, to prepare the people for the coming of the Lord. This ordination, or "keys" gave him the mission and right and power to do that work. I'd say he did a great job with those.
Now if a Pope was given that same commission, or "keys", he'd charge money and tell people they're damned if they don't get baptized by him.
15:06 no it’s not
Very thought-provoking video!
The gifts of the spirit come to all who are filled with faith and are seeking to keep the commandments of God to the best of their understanding, regardless of religion, sex, age, intelligence, ability, etc.
Faith begets power, indeed! Blessings come by faith!
But priesthood _is_ meant to “serve” as a governing structure for the church. Ruling is not inherently bad. And it’s as erroneous for the men who get puffed up in their priesthood office as it is for any of us to think that priesthood gives them any special power.
While you drive in the point clearly that power (in or out of the priesthood) comes from God by faith (and not from man by ordination), the video presentation was perhaps heavy handed in some parts against the institution of priesthood in the Lord’s church.
Alma, Nephi, Joseph Smith, and many other mighty men of faith followed the practice in the church of ordaining men, by revelation, to the priesthood ministry to preach the gospel and administer the ordinances. “No man taketh this honor unto himself…”
While the high priesthood or holy order-what all other priesthoods point to-comes by the calling of the voice of God out of heaven, there are still appendages to this priesthood as intermediate stepping stones to prepare the heart and mind of the believer for the “real thing”, which comes by faith. Such is the calling (which, by the way, must come by revelation-a far cry from what happens in the LDS church). Those with faith are ultimately chosen/elected.
God has more in mind than salvation on the individual level, which you have correctly concluded relies on faithfulness, not priesthood happenstance.
The “something more” than individual salvation, involving the entire body of Christ, is the church coming out from the wilderness, which culminates in the redemption of Zion. This marvelous work of the Father needs structure and order, governed by servant-leaders who are already filled with power by faith, virtue, and holiness.
Many of us coming from the LDS church confuse priesthood as power, and have been influenced by virtue of priesthood (red flag).
This doesn’t make priesthood as a governing structure bad, because all true priesthood is governed by the Spirit of God. What the LDS church has is a false priesthood.
So for instance we can say the baptisms by water in the LDS church are not performed by rightly ordained priesthood, BUT access to the blessings the dead works point to are freely accessible to all faithful believers, even if they or their “priesthood leaders” were deceived about authority. Water baptism points to the baptism of the spirit, and laying on of hands by proper authority is meant to declare the legal right of the confirmed to lay hold upon the gift of the Holy Ghost by faith, which a person may acquire by their faithfulness alone if no priesthood is there to facilitate and guide them in their walk.
When God establishes an outward system such as the priesthood as seen in churches in every age, designed to point the way to the internal blessings that come directly from Him, the presence of counterfeit outward systems that “having a form of godliness, deny the power thereof”, does not negate the reality of a “proper outward system”.
You and I on an individual level _don’t need_ the priesthood for salvation. But Zion, on a group level, _does need_ the proper structure of the priesthood “for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:”
Our God is a God of covenants, and his plan of salvation is about the family, or house, or Israel. Priesthood, and the necessary and enabling keys of knowledge to act in it properly, are critical in his grand plan.
Totally agree that there is a need for priesthood in the way that you describe it. This is demonstrated in the Book of Mormon every time there is a revival of people coming back to God. (Priests and teachers are called, to serve, teach, and guide.)
Here's part of my reply to a different comment that relates to this:
Priesthood does have the power of governance. But we get the wrong idea when we think of "governance". Again, it's about the definition of words. Right now we think of governance as hierarchy and "follow me or else." It's strange that we have this view, because God never compels anyone to do anything. He invites, persuades, is patient, meek, merciful, longsuffering, loving, etc. Sounds like D&C 121, doesn't it? Sounds like servant leadership, doesn't it? "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood."
@@ajboyle it’s hard to make a video about priesthood because there’s “priesthood” as it is understood and practiced in apostate churches, and then there’s “priesthood” as discussed in scripture. It seems like your video was primarily concerned with the former. Priestcraft, more like, which you did say.
Sorry but this was not a good presentation. My biggest problem is that while I agree, probably 100%, with everything you said about Faith. I am now almost certain you don’t actually know what the priesthood is, the oath and covenant of the priesthood, the purpose of the temple, or what Joseph actually taught and revealed about priesthood power and authority.
I’m astounded you went nearly 60 minutes talking about faith and priesthood and never once brought up D&C section 84. Or section 20. Or 107. Or 88! Speaking of faith and priesthood, have you read Joseph’s sermon on Calling and Election?
You misunderstood what 2nephi 28 was talking about. Maybe because you are speaking on priesthood in every church and not just lds but either way. And you began the video was straw men. You don’t seem to understand what the passages in revelation 3 are talking about (probably because you don’t understand priesthood and kingship theology), you emphasize Melchizedek’s faith to perform miracles but failed to acknowledge that he was Also the King of Salem, and a High Priest. Melchizedek literally means “King of Righteousness.”
While lectures on Faith is my favorite work aside from the standard works, it does not do what you think it does. It doesn’t denigrate the priesthood. Doesn’t put it down or say you don’t need priesthood.
You seemed to think it was a gotcha that Christ and the apostles acted through faith to perform miracles and heal but it’s not. Christ is the “Only Begotten” there is not a miracle or work or ordinance or NOTHING that has ever been done since the foundation of the World that was not done through Christ. God created the world “by my Only begotten.” You cannot even call on the name of God except in the name of the Only Begotten” and the Apostles before they performed works and miracles were set apart as apostles.
So yes it’s true you can’t do anything without Faith. Literally anything. You cannot get out of bed and go about your day except through Faith. Reread lecture 1. That doesn’t mean it’s Faith Vs priesthood. Priesthood works precisely because of faith.
Rant over.
There's much to be said on priesthood, and an hour was as condensed as I could get it on what I had to say, so there are definitely blanks left to be filled in.
I've spoken at length on D&C 84 in many of my previous videos. It's very important. Perhaps I'll take it up the oath and covenant of the priesthood in the context of your comments on another video.
D&C 20 and 107 speak of the responsibilities of various priesthood offices. Priesthood is an order of people who are commissioned to do the work of God. They are commissioned to do so with POWER, but are not given power by virtue of their ordination. That power comes by faith and the Holy Ghost. That's the entire point of my presentation. I probably will go into this deeper.
Please go re-read Lecture 3 and notice how it talks about power unto salvation. It says that everyone in every age has the power to lay hold on salvation. Everyone has the authority. Even in the dark ages. Again, it's not about priesthood. It's about faith in Christ. That's where power and true priesthood come from.
I’m just curious. What’s your position on Joseph Smith and polygamy?
@@GCS3T are you asking me or Adam?
@@Idk40003 I’m asking you.
@@GCS3T my thoughts are the doctrine in 132 makes sense to me. The history doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But I think Joseph was a good man and a prophet, and from the testimonies I’ve heard from some of the wives, they would support that. So that’s what I think