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- Part 1: • Scarborough to Leeds D...
Although the speeds in this video have been checked for accuracy, they are for guidance only and drivers should always use official documentation to ensure they are aware of all line speeds.
The second and final part of the two parts of this video takes us from Leeds to Liverpool Lime Street, passing through Huddersfield and Manchester en route.
Filmed on board a Class 185 DMU.
I am from India and I love the arch bridges and high walls when you approach Lime Street. I walk from that station to Liverpool Central, get on a Merseyrail to Ormskirk to visit family. Lovely memories. Thanks a ton for such a lovely, nostalgic ride.
Thanks Ben, the approach to Lime Street never fails to boggle the mind, even after all those years ( I'm 70 now)
love the bit from 45:00 to the end of the line. the oldest inter city rail line in the world, built before General Custer was born or wyatt earp. even before Queen Victoria was crowned Queen. a remarkable engineering feat that still stands today by way of the layout and magnificent Gothic approach to Lime Street from Edge Hill Station, which must be the oldest railway station on planet earth still in it's original form.
The final approach towards Liverpool is breathtaking. Like an endless cathedral.
And all dug out by hand Amazing
Fantastic video. No matter how many times I see that approach to Lime Street I'm always awestruck by the engineering. Amazing tribute to the men that by sheer endeavour cut through those rocks. Many thanks.
You can thank our Irish friends for that.
One newspaper carried a story about the 1892 conversion of the GWR broad gauge lines to the current standard. Apparently, 500 miles of track were regauged in just 24 hours (those Micks again). Today, that would take months.
@@lpoolpete1 Its funny here in ireland we dont have any long tunnels we need one on the belfast dublin line just 1 the only other is lissummond on the newry armagh line but its closed since 1958 its 1 mile long indeed .
long tunnel
I just don’t understand why ferry companies can’t operate passenger only vessels or even seaplanes from Liverpool old port, with easier access from Liverpool Lime St - they have cruise ships there all the time, but operating ferries from Birkenhead is totally absurd aside from those operating from Holyhead - surely Birkenhead should only be used for freight, as is the current use of the Manchester Ship Canal into the River Mersey
Yet another cracking ride, with so much going on. I've been to Liverpool Lime Street once and was amazed at the cutting down from Edge Hill, but after seeing it from the Cab (forward Facing) I am even more amazed ! Thanks for the ride, I'm looking forward to the next.
Veľmi prekrásne natočené video . Pochvala a palec hore .
Perfektné , super .
Cilkovyto zhoden. :)
I waited and now Part 2 came out!! Awesome videos, I really do want to take a trip to the UK and get this view.
Excellent video Ben. I'm watching from Sydney Australia. It's great to see these videos where the person posting them takes the time to show us where we are and some background as well. Well done ! I've become a Subscriber !!
BTW I played the video at 2x speed and still had a great experience !
Fascinating stuff! Well done.
Excellent video ! Thanks, Dana.
This run was 10 mins quicker than the timetable :) Great video!
enjoted that run, its good to see how the line/train operates & signalling info.
Another bonny video, Ben. Thank you.
I 'd like to watch these images in the next summer .I think must much more beautiful with the sun. Thanks .
Also think it would be good with snow covered fields
Lovely video ! I don't suppose you would want to let me know when your next video might be ? Anyhow, looking forward to it. Best regards, Dana.
That drop down into Lime Street station is truly jaw-dropping. It looks like the entrance to some ancient temple of giants.
just like #1 fabulous ,thx again from down under.
Yeah
Excellent video, thanks.
Thnaks again Ben, great videos
Brilliant. Thank you for sharing.
But if you could advise whether more cab ride videos will be published, and whether any might be released in the next couple of months. Thanks, Dana.
I want to add my comment about the oldest inter-city in the world. Considering the equipment available to the men who constructed this line, it's absolutely incredible. What is also incredible is the fact that most of the rail lines in Britain where constructed in the late 18th and early 19th century with blood, sweat and minimal equipment (shovel, pickaxe and wheel barrow). It is truly awesome when you look at these lines from the driver view.
It was extremely physical work and life expectancy then was very low compared with nowadays. As you say though they worked marvels in engineering terms.
So, Fourfoot, you are unmasked :-)
I'd just like to say well done for that incident near Dewsbury. Not everyone would have done what's you did. Glad to read that the bosses supported you.
Really amazing ride . I just don't like parts of arriving ( tunnels ) . I think it's so dark and sad . I am a Beatles fan and I understand this city . These images remember the past war , hard moments of Liverpool history . Maybe , this is the reason that Beatles songs brings such fun and joyus for everyone . They gave us much happiness for our souls . Someday I would like to there , see these images .Thank you for sharing and write the names of stations . Great informations ! Good job . Greetings from Brazil .
Glad you enjoy the Beatles songs Luzia, hope that one day this awful virus is out of the way and you get across to Liverpool.
@@DaveinLeeds I hope this awful virus is out of the way soon, too.
Luzia, your comment means a lot. Greetings from Liverpool! :)
another excellent video
Thank you, very enjoyable. One question: I noticed that signalling at first was under the control of York signalling centre, then under Batley signal box, before reverting to York. Why not York all the way through?
Bit of a late reply - I am presuming because at 7:55 there is Lady Anne Level crossing which is a manned level crossing. So if there is a car etc wanting to cross they operate it manually, because it's an old style wooden gate level crossing.
That was excellent !!!!
Thank you for sharing!!! :):):)
A very enjoyable videos parts 1/2
Very impressive entrance to Liverpool Lime Street Station. It gives an idea of entering a mediaeval castle with bridges like keeps. Is this station classified as a monument? It surely has potential! Sitting on your seat as a passenger you can't fully experience the greatness of this station' s entry. Looking through a window you can see a massive stone wall. It's exclusively the train driver's view that makes the difference......
I have been on this route 2 times with two year fantastic journey with good view off villages and towns and old factorys nice if electrical over head lines ther are saying the views of Yorkshire
wow when you exited Morley tunnel my pupils reacted the same way a drivers pupils did having to readjust to the sudden lightness
If the York to Manchester section was down south it would’ve been quadrupled and electrified decades ago.
Definitely would've been electrified, not sure about quadrupling. Quite a few routes down here that should've been done decades ago.
yeah but all the governments this country has had have made sure that the south gets everything done first including the electrification of lines take Blackpool here in the northwest was only electrified last year and that was only started back end of 2017 which is pretty appalling when its a major tourist attraction and apart from Buckingham palace its one of the most visited areas and lines down south get done before this line when there isn't a tourist attraction visited more than Blackpool
@@tonyp011 I know it's been pretty bad, not denying that. I'm just saying quading probs wouldn't have happened. As for tourists attractions and Blackpool we'll have to disagree on that. The numbers of people who vist Blackpool is nothing compared to Brighton.
True enough. Government are Global Monopolists Rent Boys sadly:-(
actually, most of it used to be quad track, look at the formations, especially Leeds to Manchester @@Wasserfeld.
At 1:02:37 is that the monument to Huskisson on the left? He was the great politician who was killed at the opening of the Liverpool to Manchester (in 1830) when he couldn't get out of the way of an approaching train.
Enjoyef this a lot always wanted to be a train driver but my colour-blind put paid to that dream thanks for sharing will look for more, any Liverpool to Scarborough? 1 👍
Very good enjoyed that .
The monument on the left side at 1:02:37 is where the first death happened on any railway traveling on Stevensons Rocket.
Back in the '80s, much of the Liverpool-Manchester signalling was colour-light, except for sections at Roby and Patricroft, where semaphores remained. Amazingly, train-drivers heading at night into Manchester from over Chat Moss had to pick out the dim lights of the semaphores from against the background of the brightly-lit new motorway that ran adjacent to the railway at Patricroft. This may have been the reason for a passenger express running into the rear of a train of fuel tanks in 1984 or '85.
People complain that train drivers are overpaid, yet, like airline-pilots, they're responsible for the safety and the lives of (at times) hundreds of passengers, while their vigilance may be unable to prevent or avoid unexpected on-line developments such as derailments or sudden track-blockages (a la Hixon). They are essentially trapped in their cabs with little or no chance of avoiding death or injury should anything go wrong suddenly. At high speeds, braking will probably too late to lessen the impact of a collision. And at night....
Absolutely, that's why all trains need guards, I've said many times that if a guardless train has a head on crash then its a fair chance to assume the driver could get killed and with no guard on (who has a better chance of surivial), who takes control and reports the accident giving detail of where on the line the train is to make sure the line is closed to stop any other trains from running into it to cause more disruption
The electrification gantries spoil the spectacle of the deep cutting, tunnels and bridges on coming into Liverpool Lime Street.
The gantries at the Liverpool end were put in around 1959/60 for the first stage of the Liverpool-London electrification scheme: those early warren-girder lattice gantries were less ugly than the elephantine structures that have become standard in recent years. Blackpool North is a terminus, and much of the new overhead wiring there could have been supported by cross-strung cables as at Winwick near Warrington instead of the clutter of new gantries: all movements to and from the platforms will of necessity be made at modest speeds, so why the "overkill"?
Beautiful video The speed is in kilometers or miles per hour? Greetings from Argentina
MPH
Why are there odd permanent speed restrictions along the route? E.g. at Morley the speed drops from 75 to 45 but only through the station? Id understand if it was for tunnel clearances but just through the station seems a bit strange?
Morley is because there's a tight curve.
Great Vid!
A very nice run.
how long is the Morley tunnel ?
Holly Morley tunnel
Are your headlights on Sir
Peach black on telly otherwise good video
Could imagine at night guess you seen things 😉
Thank you for the upload
In the electrified parts, what's the significance of the city name in 'AC York' and 'AC Crewe'?
It's the location of the Electrical Control Operator
In a thousand years those Drax carriages will still be outside Edge Hill.
Great vid. Will you do a Manchester - Scotland video in the future?
Possibly although I do not sign that route at present
FourFoot Ok. Great videos by the way. Looking forward to more.
Scarborough to Manchester?
Manchester Airport to Redcar Central?
Maybe...
How about Manchester Airport to Middlesbrough?
Given that this train connects two important and relatively large cities it runs at disappointingly low speed. I wonder if a little bit of track realignment here and there as well as signalling upgrades and a few other measures might help to speed this line up at least a little. Somewhere between 40 and 75 mph on most of the route isn't really acceptabel in this day and age.
As someone who would regularly hop on and off this train I couldn’t agree more
The line between Leeds and Manchester is due to be electrified over the next few years, but the terrain makes high speed running very difficult. What is not really clear from watching this is just how steep the gradients and how narrow and twisty the route from Leeds to Manchester is. Then. once past Manchester, you get onto the oldest passenger rail route in the world with the challenges of crossing a densely populated plain on such a historic, and therefore protected, piece of infrastructure. Chat Moss, the biggest challenge faced by Stephenson when laying out and building the line would still be a challenge to builders! And then you enter the city again before, as others have stated, the line from Edge Hill to Liverpool Lime Street is a magnificent, and, again, protected, set of structures and it is another severe engineering challenge even today.
For someone not well versed in train/railway technology what is the occasional triple high pitch noise?
Randall Philip i think thats the vigilance. Train wants to know if the driver is still awake. If the driver lets it beep for long enough the train chucks an anchor
Why does York PSB cover the Leeds station area and Huddersfield?When at these areas have there own boxes ?
The signalling was recontrolled to York ROC in December, the PSB is no longer in use.
Leeds doesn't have a signal box, Huddersfield box closed in April last year.
Blimey,, things have changed in the last 15 years,,,
FourFoot Leeds had a PSB in the 90s though,, it was in a high rised building,, and covered the main station and the Aire valley line to Settle,,,,ps,, if you could kindly film a Leeds to Blackpool via Burnley,, or even a Leeds to Manchester via Todmorden then they would be fabulous,, thanks :-)
beatiful video (from italy)
Ok, I know nothing about these things. Is there something in the cab that indicates the speed limits too? Because those speed signals are difficult to read.... especially when moving at speed.
There's nothing in the cab indicating speeds limits, its all down to route knowledge. Every driver over a route will know speed limits, where stations, tunnels, junctions, crossings gradients etc are, you have to be assessed over a route before being allowed to drive over it
Manchester needs a Victoria station worthy of the name. Compared to both Liverpool and Leeds it is left wanting. Look at Piccadilly if one wants to use that as the equivalent (which I think is fairer), it still needs to be larger and the track cleaned certainly! Liverpool and Leeds really steal the show in the North and yet they are much smaller than the Second City of Manchester in metro area, GDP - everything and by a large margin. Manchester needs some big investment. The Oxford Road corridor as well, it is working on one engine in many respects.
Victoria was downsized so that money could be made from property-development. It's now just a depressing "basement" affair, reminiscent of the "new" Birmingham New Street in 1968.
Uploads are now frequent. Your cathegory suggests this will eventually have every service in Britain
Very good
Brilliant , a trip to Liverpool station and I didn't leave the house. Calm down, calm down.
Exactly Lee and I'm an Aussie so it was a great trip and as you say I didn't have to leave home to get there haha. It was a great ride seeing the countryside and the cities which you wouldn't normally see unless you wen there
Didn't think it was possible to get one train from Scarborough to Liverpool. Is this a special charter train?
There's one train an hour all day every day from Scarborough to Liverpool and vice versa
Aside from the foot passenger only ferries from Liverpool or even from Salford Quays on the Manchester Ship Canal, it really bugs me that there is no direct train services from Manchester Victoria (coming from Hull via Leeds) to Holyhead on SailRail for the ferries to Dublin - changing trains from Manchester Piccadilly (platform 14) at either Chester, Crewe or Lladnuo is a real pain, often with very little time to change trains - on the other side of the Irish Sea, they don’t even have LUAS trams from the Irish Ferries and Stena Terminals via Dublin Docklands Rail Station, let alone the constant talk of a high speed rail tunnel under the Irish Sea from Holyhead to Dublin - with the Irish governments plans to invest in Irish railways, it will be interesting to see if they will extend the M3 Parkway line to Navan, where there are also many freight-only lines around Dublin Port - and if the Irish government will implement an EU climate change directive to ban all short haul flights between Ireland and the U.K. post Brexit and post Covid - the River Liffey is a very narrow channel and many of Dublin’s bridges are very poorly designed, which do not allow vessels to pass, which despite Dublin Port’s expansion to take cruise ships, many vessels cannot travel up the Liffey at high tide to the Custom House or even Capel St Bridge - there is the Port Tunnel linking Dublin Port to the M50 motorway but it has been very badly thought out and designed
A pity that 'Satan' Beeching axed the stopping services, especially in the Scarborough to York section.
brilliant.
Strange how the line to liverpool is called chat moss. Nice ride though especially when it goes at super speed
It's because the line was built originally over a very marshy and boggy area of land named Chat Moss. Fantastic bit of 19th century engineering to enable that line to come into being.
Apparently Leeds is the biggest place in the whole UK that only has one railway station.
Interesting trivia if that's even true.
Some realignment has been done, Heaton lodge was remodeled plus other work. It was done in anticipation for
electrification but as yet that has not happened. Plus HS 2 has also been pulled, shame……
I understood up to mean toward the destination and down to mean away from the destination so why is it Up Scarborough in part l having seen the train leave from Scarborough and Up Hull Main when going to Leeds?
Because “Up” means heading towards London and “Down” means heading away from London. In addition, if a train is heading toward the (geographical) centre of the country, i.e. from Hull to Leeds, then it’s classed as an Up line, even though it’s heading across the country, not towards London. Trains from Liverpool to Manchester are “Up” also, whilst heading west to east, but toward the “middle” of the country (i.e. an imaginary line down the Pennines!).
Thank you Peter Molloy
What is the difference between solid and flashing ambers and between one and two ambers.
Two ambers = next signal one amber. Amber signals all do mean "caution", but flashing amber signals that the train will be taking a diverging route, requiring a speed reduction (e.g. the detour onto the Ashton line right after Stalybridge)
@@NoName-rf3ui Why a flashing amber at all if the driver should be observing the speed-limits shown on the usual circular trackside boards?
@@johnhardman3 It's to distinguish from a standard speed restriction/proceed with caution signal, I think, because "proceed with caution on the main line" is different to "proceed with caution on to a diversion".
Still can’t believe this line is not fully electrified
If you have electric power then why is the engine still needed? And the engine is just a generator for the traction motors right? I know nothing about this train by the way.
There is no electric power from Leeds West Junction to Manchester Victoria.
The train is not capable of using electricity - it's a diesel multiple unit
wow is that a transpennine train arriving ON TIME?
Yes!
Bexleyheath to London bridge
I'm a Kiwi, yet in my mind it's "'uddersfield", no doubt due to those wonderfully Brit' regional based TV series I watched in the 1960s/1980s period.
Wow.....
I don't understand what is powering this train. There were overhead cables for the first few miles but then no cables and never a third rail. Is this a diesel-electric train? When I lived in Cheshire as a teenager, there were two primary types of locomotives-the presumably diesel-electric ones used to pull freight and the overhead electrics that apparently ran from London to Manchester. I routinely road trains powered by overhead electric from Wilmslow, Cheshire into Stockport and Manchester. I never road in a diesel-electric train except perhaps from Manchester to Edinburg.
In the US, except for commuter trains, which are either overhead electric or third rail, virtually all trains, both freight and passenger, are powered by diesel-electric locomotives. Unfortunately, the US has been in no hurry to diminish carbon emissions.
It's diesel mechanical
@@beneliastrains Thanks, Ben. I finally searched Class 185 DMUs and read how they operate. Excellent videos. Thank you.
Is this a class 185 unit
Read the video description
How is it decided to call a line up or down? It used to be up to London and down from London
Generally it is up to London - you'll find even on the East-West routes such as this one, the end of the line where it joins the main line to London, if it's the up line the junction faces London.
That said, I'm told the naming also varied by the company which built the line. The Lancashire & Yorkshire, for example, which was headquartered in Manchester, was up to Manchester (and still is)
Thank you
Are those trains all elec or on diesel to, i was looking for the 3rd rail seeing that there are no overhead wires....
They are not electric.
@@beneliastrains thank you
Ben Elias as a follow up question, when in Electrified territory does the train have a pantograph to use the overhead electrical power or does it continue to use the diesel for power?
@@Magiobiwan Such dual-powered trains have only started coming into service recently (in Britain, that is!). The class 185 trains in this video are simply diesel powered, not electric.
The Merseyrail network which serves Southport, Ormskirk, Kirkby, Hunts Cross and the Wirral is 3rd rail electrification.
Another billaint video!
How on earth did you manage to record your journey , must of been so distracting thanks for your time in recording this
Not distracting at all. You just look out of the window instead of at the camera 😉
It’s pretty cool to see the journey , despite my awkward past I have a model train collection as I’m fascinated by trains and hoping to find one that is a northern train still yet to find one. I love being able to see a bit from your perspective it’s really interesting 🧐.
I’ve not been that far on a train yet to be honest still working up the courage to travel far . Just out of curiosity could you drive a train if your photo sensitive?????
Lea Green, mon amour.
At 59:39 the train is barely doing 30 MPH and you're showing it hurling along at 90? Come on!!!
I'm hoping you're joking.
I wasn't joking. The train was slowing to a red light, yet the circled speed in the bottom-right of screen continued to show the train doing 90 MPH. At various points through this video, and part 1, the train has come to a full-stop at a station yet your speed indicator shows the train doing 15, 25 or 40 MPH. Review your content and you'll see what I mean. I'm NOT trolling. I'm just trying to alert you to this issue.
That's because it's not the current speed shown in the red circle. It's the line speed (speed limit) 🙄
I think you could've made it clearer in Part 1, then reiterated in Part 2.
To be honest Neil, I think most people could work it out for themselves, it's pretty obvious that the speed isn't changing with the speed of the train...
Just a shame people throwing their rubble out next to the railway line. In Switzerland irresponsible behaviour like this is not allowed and adhered to.
This is what the North gets for its High Speed Train!
What a country; what a government.
Nadering Liverpool Lime Street indrukwekkend !
Archetypal bloody English weather.
Id prefer the journey the other way round. Scarborough much nicer place.