Straight Pull Showdown: Mannlicher (M95) vs Schmidt (K31)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video, we compare 2 iconic straight pull rifles, the Swiss K31 and the Steyr M95 carbine. Straight pull actions aren't too common in the military bolt action rifles but they do offer some advantages over turn-bolt actions.
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Fun comparison. M95 is a very aesthetic, quality carbine. A favorite for me. K31 is amazingly accurate and superbly crafted.
a little work on the m95 bolt and trigger and you end up with something very close to a k31
@@NeuKrofta really ?? close to the k31 accuracy??
@@hatimlaamri2132 dial in a good handload and it will. Problem is shooting 8mm mauser in a rifle that wasn't intended for it, if you make the reloads closer to the original 8x56R in terms of pressure you get a better representation of how it originally shot
Gotta love those straight pulls. I have a M95/30 Karabinerstutzen and I find the bolt to be decently smooth, it seems to get smoother as it warms up from firing. The Mannlicher is my favorite rifle because of the engineering and the proliferation through history but I'd love to get a K31 some day.
yea the bad rep for the bolt is due to the conversion, a little work on the bolts and they are like glass- how they were before the conversion
I own a M95/30, one of very few (maybe the only one) in Sweden. After I thorougly cleaned the bolt while disassembled and the chamber/receiver the rifle is pretty smooth. Accuracy wise, it shoots really well. On 300 meters you can easily shoot 5 shot groups within 10 centimeters after some training. My personal best is a 4 cm group at 300m. Not bad for a WW1 rifle.
Currently looking for a K11 or K31, but they are extremely rare here..
Thanks for an excellent video!
for someone who already shot guns before, he really should learn how to pull the trigger. It hurts to watch him jerk that beautiful two stage of the k31
Im convinced this guy was scared of the rifles. He flinched hid entire neck up every shot, and half the time the guns looked like they were going to jump out of his hands 🤦🏻♂️
His position at the bench was poor. Right elbow unsupported so hardly surprising that the recoil appeared quite pronounced.
The m95/30 sticky bolt is as a result of the conversion they did in 30 and the bolts weren't fit as well. A little bit of work on the bolt and it will be a whole lot smoother like they were intended.
What kind of work? I'd like to get my dad's rifle working smoother. I'm looking to pick up an original rifle in the original chambering, so the bolt should be pretty sweet on that one.
@@Cloudstrife112233 Mine has it's whole action coated in Hoppes #9, and usually after the first 4 rounds the whole action loosens up from the temperature. Mine's a '31 Steyr, they tend to have much better extractors than the Budapest and Bulgarian ones.
You left out the Ross1905 mark 2 a very accurate straight pull
has trouble loading the K31... says loading is great! then has no trouble loading the M95... says he doesn't like it. seems like a legit review. don't get me wrong the K31 is a more modern and in general is probably a better firearm then the M95.
I collect ww1 & ww2 guns and i can say after purchasing my M95 and K11 ($140 + $280) the 8×56r is a hard kicking, fire breathing dragon with surplus ammo. I had a guy make me mild soft points for hunting-I still prefer shooting the swiss gp11.
Nice that he went with the M95. I also have both, M95 and K31, and i can fully agree on the statement, the M95 has more Charakter.
Greetings from Austria.
Love from America! I was þinking of moving to Austria, how are gun laws over þere?
As some people said, the accuracy problem he had with the k31 rifle came from his trigger pulling, he just jerked on it, which on a double stage trigger is a shame
Agree, I have an M95/31M. Love it
M95, you should slap the bolt back with an open palm,
and shove it forward with the heal of the hand.
Doing this, you can cycle the rounds very, very quickly.
I have two of the.
I bought an M95/30 long rifle from a gun show that was all matching and full of cosmoline that may have never been shot post rearsenal. I get 1 inch groups at 100 yds easily with new production PPU. I think that the rifles are maligned from mismatching bolts and corroded barrels from the WW2 era ammo which leads to rough actions and poor accuracy (especially the carbines with cut barrels). I am excited to see what it can do with handloads because they are very unique and elegant rifles. The K31s have better sights and the 7.5x55 has better ballistics IMHO though.
I understand the feeling towards those two. I like my K31: love the trigger, even more since i put a trigger stop on it, good magazine, safe but really slow safety. I use it for driven hunts, scoped, good magazine capacity but can't use the safety there. The M95 carbine is just slick - short and light, nice clip loading, perfect safety - safe but also fast. The problem i find with my rifle is that softpoints are likely to be damaged loading and unloading, could load 4 and slowly. The cases seem to like to stick; maybe due to the shape or the rechambering in 8X56R was done sloppy. It is not a rifle i would call accurate maybe an inch more likely two inch groups at 50m is what i get. I put a reddot on it to take it with me when driving or pursuing wounded game that seems to be the perfectt fit for it. I hate that it can't even hit paper at 50m when affixing the bajonet which would make sense for the intended use, can anyone offer helpt with that problem? I would always elongate the stocks so you can repeat while aiming they both are quite short.
As I can see I am around 3 years late, but I know the problem, and the solution. The M95 were rechambered for the 8x56R and chopped down in the early '30s. After the modification it became clear that the new ammo and the shorter barrel causes aiming point shifts when the bayonet is attached. The HUN Army then issued a new type of bayonets for the hungarian M95/31 conversations with a built in korn, optimized for aiming with the bayonet. If you can get one of these bayonets, the problem is in a big part solved. The problem is that M95/31 rifles were quick outdated as in 1935 came the new M35, built from gruond up for the new ammo, with a new bayonet design.
I'm waiting to pick up an m95 and it's good to see videos like this comparing to other WW1 era straight pulls
M95s dont have sticky bolts some of the conversions do since they were but back together
Eh mine is matching and has a sticky ass bolt. Just my experience. The bolt seems to have been worn over time and kinda fucked. It works, but you need some to put some ass to it.
I've fired the M95 in the past. I have to say that the recoil really took all of the fun out of it. Beefy gun and it functioned just a little jerky and stiff, but after seeing this video, I think it was more my doing than the rifle.
When compared to my Longbranch Lee Enfield No. 4, it was a beast.
My Favourite "hunting" rifle. was a BRNO Custom M98 military action.(bent bolt)
Used it on Running rabits in Paddocks. You hit them regularly. You usually have no prob's with Any moving game.
Kick. I never even noticed it and I'd often let off 40+ rounds a session when having fun.
The m95 is usually half the price of the k31 in the US
and with a little work on the bolt and trigger it would be just as good action wise.
we have so many k31s here in switzerland, that a good condition one only costs about 250 swiss franks - people here are even returning them in gun-bring-backs to the police, where they are destroyed -.- you can't imagine how much my heart bleeds when i see the press releases about how many guns (mostly stgw57's and k31's) are destroyed -
@@supermodel2011 OMG send me some :D In Czech Repubic we have it at same price, wich is about 10 000 CZK (385€/ 465$/ 425CHF) ... :/ Both rifles same and I dont know wich to buy... Looks like to K31 is better to find ammo and you can load it manualy one by one. But Czech Republic (Czech kingdom) was Osteriche and our soldiers fought with it. So I dont know wich to buy. I realy cant find any of those 8x56R.
@@jardavaclavek7774 Prvi Partizan (PPU) makes new 8x56R ammo in FMJ and SP. Not something they make a lot of but it is out there and it's cheaper if you can then reload them.
@@c.pricestyer8826 Thanks! :-)
Both are wonderful rifles
funfact the M95 was also(some kinde) in use at the swiss army as an cavallery/dragooner carbine(kavallerie karabiner 1893), till around the first worldwar (1905), and it was camberd also in the semi smockeless GP1890 from switzerland. greetings from switzerland xD
I believe Forgoten Weapons (or, was it C&Rsenal?) covered that, good stuff
Small correction: the GP1890 was smokeless, not semi - smokeless
Great video. up here in Canada I have a K31 and K11 carbine I love both of them. I hope to get my hands on a M95 someday.
Hi Kag, i live in Canada too but cant find any decent K 31. where can i find a decent K 31.
Thank you
Hey hatim,
I am In southern ontario. I found my K11 at a Gun store but they have not had any since then and that was two years ago. I got my K31 at the Orangeville Gun show last year.
the Gun show seems to be the best place. I have seen two K31's at that show in the last two years both were in very good-excellent condition. I also got a sporterized Schmit-Ruben 1889 at the gun show last year.
the Swiss straight pulls are getting harder to come by it seems and they are definitely going up in value.
so my advice is find Gun shows around you and frequent them. I hope this helps.
Thanks a lot Kag Kag, it really helps, i Ve found a miltary surplus 1889 et a sporterized one. What should be a fair price for each of them? here the guy was asking 300$ for the military one.
No it is ok Kag, really. 1889 uses a different ammo than K11 and the guy didnt seen to know.
Thanks a lot :)
May i ask you what was the price you paid for your K31 two years ago? Thank you
Nice video. Oh how wish I’d stocked up on GP11 when it was everywhere and readily available.....
Prefer the 95. It's like a pump-action shotgun.
Yep, it's nickname in WW1, was "ruck - shuck" due to the sound of wor king the bolt same sound as a pump shotgun
The K-31, Truly Remarkable! G-11 is match grade! Trigger's Butter! Iron sights are Amazing! All wk of Art! Removed butt plate, address name of orig Swiss Owner! Muzzle Break, 10x Scope, in prone supported over back pack, 31 consistently shot .5" groups @ 300 yds. Bragg 10-yrs, access post Armory. Accuracy better than Match M-14, even an original Soviet SVD Dragunov.
Luv that K-31, & G-11 ammo!
The trigger alone makes any of the Schmidt Rubins so much more pleasing to shoot than an m95. I do think the m95 is cool though.
Hey Rob, Well we have two things in common! Name, & we know how Buttery smooth; Extreme Accuracy of the K-31! Me, Dad bought 2- 1997, placed muzzle break, Nice 10x scope! In prone consistently shot .5" groups at 300 yds. 10 yrs @ Bragg, This is the Most Accurate rifle Ever shot! G-11 ammo More accurate than any 308, even orig. Dragunov. Sights on 31, Also 'Work of Art'!!
That flinch tho lmao
Nice hat!
You should rename the video: The beauty (K31) and the beast (M95). Personally - I would shoot the K31 (I own a K11 and M95 Carbine) only because of the recoil; The M95 kicks like a angry mule on crack!) . Plus-The K-series has no "war- history" unlike some of the other milsurps. Just my two cents - for what it is worth.
you can load match and lighter loads in the M95 to make it more pleasant. tbh firing full military loads with surplus on such an old rifle that has been converted isn't the smartest idea either.
Theres absolutely no safety worry shooting full power ammo in these. The conversion didn't create a weak gun. Maybe you're thinking of the M95M which is a M95 converted to 8mm Mauser, which is a higher pressure round.
I have five M95/30's and have shot hundreds of full power rounds in each and they all still have good headspace and no worries.
Toolness1 yea, also surplus is corrosive. But really I personally wouldn't shoot surplus. That's just me. I'd rather lower pressure ammo that helps recoil too
Toolness1 and why create more wear than necessary on a piece of history?
Toolness1 not to mention lower pressure ammo would help smoothness of action
It seems You pull the trigger all the way in one hard move.
That's not really positive for the accuracy.
SH1974 that was my observation. Pulls the triggers and doesn't squeeze.
Pensacola here!
I love þe K-31 but 7.5x55 is *over a dollar a round!!* Why!?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the video brother 👍A friend of mine here in Edmonton has a M95 and I want it. I've wanted it for a few years now. How hard is it to get 8x56 ammo?
You are wrong the k31 bolt sticks the m95 mannlicher bolt has close tolerances in it.the g11 bolt is ten times better then the k31 bolt.i have a 95 manlicher carbine and a k31 carbine and g11 rifle.the m95 and the g11 is better then the k31 bolt.the op rod on the k31 is flat and make it very sticky.the g11 op rod is round and smooth as butter.and is not sticky.the m95 bolt is a lot smoother then the k31 bolt.
My son recently bought an m95, still looking for ammo.
I have never fired a straight pull. Hope it's not a let down.
K31 is a pussycat to shoot and has an exceptional trigger.
Love your channel, But how the HELL do you still find GP11 ;)
It is so hard to find these days. I saw a guy selling 2 bricks of it at a gun show a few months ago for $5 a box. I was so freaking broke that I could only buy 1 box and left knowing that I would likely not come across it at that price ever again. Gun shows and pawn shops.
K31 is the best
The lack of character I think comes from knowing the Swiss rifles never saw combat due to Switzerland’s politically neutral status.
If you think your k31 is smooth? You should have a go with the Ross mk 3. Day and night difference.
I have one M95 S for sale give me a good price an it’s yours?
Where are targets???
Try a full power heavy bullet 8mm Mauser load in an M95M if you think 8x56R is bad!
Toolness1 Would an 8mm fit in an M95?
Dakota Adkins there were 7.92x57 (8mm Mauser) conversions too. If I'm not mistaken, the conversions were done by the Serbs. Obviously these conversions aren't as common as the 8x56R conversion though.
Should've got a Canadian Ross rifle :)!
Mason Haggerty blame Canada
I've had a couple of the Mannlicher and had many K31's. Although I wouldn't stand in front of either the Swiss K31 is a more precision rifle. The Mannlicher isn't quite as well refined. Plus everything about the K31 is typical of Swiss firearms, extremely well engineered and manufactured. Remember the M95 was mainly issued to the police. While even today by comparison the K31 was intended to be used in extremely difficult conditions of the Swiss Alps. And being a military issue rifle was required to operate properly ......... every time! The Gp-11 ammo is a superior cartridge to any other type of military issue ammo. and is specifically designed to take advantage of the precision nature of the K31. On the range the K31 demonstrates noticeably better accuracy as a result. However, the M95 is a hoot to shoot. It is a beast of a rifle and it will beat the crap out of you after a day of shooting. It is a hand-held cannon. And probably due to the ammo. itself I had a number of misfires with the 1938 nazi stamped 8x56 M95 ammo. While I've shot perhaps thousands of GP-11 ammo. I have never had a misfire.
As for the shooter I notice he is obviously not familiar with the use of straight-pull rifles in that it's almost like he is afraid of "hurting" the thing. When shooting either of these the operator needs to be firm, forceful and snappy. Plus I can see he has terrible trigger control. Particularly with the K31. The K31 has by far the best military issue trigger ever. It has an extremely smooth 1st stage followed by a very crisp trigger break at about 75 oz. The shooter is just jerking the K31 trigger not even taking the 1st stage to the sear break. He's just jerking the trigger all at once, both stages which leads to decreased accuracy. In a competent K31 shooter that is a sub-MOA rifle. Whereas the M95 is in the 3 MOA range of accuracy.
There are 2 M95s in a pawn shop near me and I am watching videos trying to see if I should buy the better of the two. I am guessing ammo is very hard to find. I also have a K31 and it is very accurate even though I could do better with it if it had better sights (for some reason the back sight is too out of focus for me to get a great picture). I think the M95 is under $300 so I should probably jump on that even if I can't find ammo for it.
@@ghostuscoyote If you can afford it grab both M95's. Shoot both, keep the best one and sell the other. And if you want to really get the K31 to show-off it's phenomenal accuracy potential get a set of Swiss Products diopter sights. And yes the ammo. for the M95 might be a bit of a trick. If you find some buy all you can as it is a unique cartridge and is not really able to be duplicated or reloaded.
@@lencac7952 Yeah I just checked and it looks like they are going for $225 and $205. I could get both out the door for less then $500 so I am going to see if I can make that happen. Who knows what the value will be in 5 years...
@@lencac7952 You're such a pretentious snob
Your personal experience with these guns that you claim to have, and malfunctions with 80 year old rusted ammo, doesn't mean facts. Get a grip
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess Ah yes, pretentious, one of my better qualities (-; So first, the ammo I used in my M95 was not rusty. Nice try at making your comment look like you are an authority of anything and of course likewise adding some color to your obtuse opinion. Perhaps you are better suited to be a professional liar as a CNN talking-head. In reality the 8mm ammo was pristine. And so as I hear you running your non-pretentious mouth I don't see you offering up any videos of your own or producing any germane facts or knowledge. Would appear to be the fruit of an empty mind. But don't get your panties in a wad, I'm just pulling your very tiny little chain. Oh, and don't forget to demand your 3 or 4 poison jabs. Let's GO Brandon!!😁
K31 is the top dog in bolt action, this Sam guy has a crush on the camera man so he chose his favorite to try to pull his trigger later JS I bet you guys have a lot of fists together
Sorry for trolling
I have a K 31.
It's a good one.
Ammo comparison is unfair! GP11 is match grade!
LOL...the K31 has no character.
Own a K31, have owned 2 through time. Had a M95, only ammo I could get was WWII nazi stamped brass, and semi rusted steel cases, both were filled with square flake powder that was slowly decomposing and had a very big blue flash with each shot, due to the corrosive nature the barrel was not that great and top grade anymore. The Swiss have really nice bores.
Let the Swiss make their cheese and watches and dont mess with the Manlicher! If K31 was better than the M95/30 or generaly better from Manlicher rifles the countres that bought M95s at that time were going to buy K31s instead!
The Mannlicher 1895 was well obsolete by the time the K-31 came into the world. I would take any Swiss rifle over the Mannlichers, I've owned a lot of both and never had a Mannlicher as smooth as a Swiss rifle .Or as accurate.
@@michaelibey6700 Your personal opinion will not change the fact that M95 were used in real battle unlike the swiss K31! The K31 is like immature cheese compared to the M95!
@@GREATRussia1990 Yes, the Swiss were smarter, they built a better rifle and also stayed out of WW2. Proven intellect!!!
This guy cant handel the recoil well 😀
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