The fact that they made the only lesbian character rapey af is just wow. Takes me back to the days where my dorm room mate refused to share a room with me cause she was sure i would 'do something' to her at night... We had been roomates for more than 5 months at this point before she found out i like women.
Pitch Perfect is a great example of performative inclusion. Any characters that represent a marginalized group or sub-culture are relegated to the background or only brought forth to play into a very damaging stereotype. It's all disappointing, especially because none of the straight pairings had an ounce of chemistry and charm that Becca and Chloe did. Great video!
The whole Pitch Perfect were a bunch of stereotypes though. I think people forgot that part. Not only the marginalized people. The old man was stereotyped as a misoginist which isn't true for all old men, but it's a stereotype. Becca was the alternative, quirky and misunderstood girl that gets the guy. Fat Amy the funny fat side character that only has comedy as her personality and helps the main character. Benji the awkward nerd dude, that is just too geeky to even function. Stacie the dumb, slutty girl who is always horny. Cynthia Rose is a lesbian that got the bad forced stereotype (not real stereotype) where they're after all women and sexually assaults them. ETC. I guess Beca and Chloe are the stereotype queer bait
It’s about what stereotypes should be considered marginal and would be considered more punching down. The butchy predatory and blackness of Cynthia Rose’s character is significantly more negative than the other stereotypes. It would been more for laughs if they made Stacie slutty and gay, and predatory goes after Cynthia Rose (still butchy but straight, and is actually on the defensive). The marketing of queer baiting is crazy tho, like shit the 3rd movie should be stoned to death. I feel bad for the actresses… comedy did like to ride on the gay trope a lot in the 2010s. Britney definitely was awkward about it.
@@Tranitosaur Good point. I think you also have to take in how much the movies divert from that base character stereotype. Does Cynthia, for example, as the black, butch-coded lesbian progress beyond that? The one backstory note we get is when she came out as a gambling addict, but that's mainly played as a joke because it subverts the traditional 'gay coming out.' In the following movies she is largely a background player; that's partially because they added a lot more characters to the Bellas; but even so she's not written with any other characteristics than being stereo-typically predatory. While stereotypes can be a foundation to create a character on top of, the writers should still consider whether or not a particular stereotype is negative to the community it depicts.
@@falconeshield theyre not even together in Arcane yet. tho that show did make Riot finally admit they are together in the game universe as well as the other two gay couple/ex couple.
Maybe I just never saw the trailers but I never got the vibe that Bechloe was ever really an endgame. The only LGBT character they could show in the first film was a lesbian predator and her ex used for a blink-and-you'll-miss-it joke/twist. LGBT characters can be introduced later but it's a hell of a tonesetter. 16:57 Man, knowing that Rebel Wilson was closeted saying this adds another layer of sadness to this interaction. I know that if I were her, I'd be so sad not to reach my community that way.
@@windyday6850If you watch the footage at 8:20, you'll see that the brunette mouths "I still love you". Very easy to miss and I only noticed because someone else pointed it out to me
@@quinnoutlaw Being closeted isn't about saying you're straight every other minute, it's about concealing the fact that you're LGBT (in this case, sapphic) which I did not shame her for since people stay closeted for safety/privacy. I also never labelled her as lesbian, bi or pan, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. My point was that it was probably uncomfortable being part of a franchise that didn't take sapphicness seriously as a sapphic person. Your comment seems to be made in bad faith.
@@quinnoutlaw I don’t understand where your condescension is coming from? OP never said anything about suffering in the closet. They said the realization that rebel was closeted at the time adds a layer of sadness which is a valid interpretation clearly coming from their personal perspective. It’s reasonable to feel a person now openly in a sapphic relationship wouldn’t feel super great about a project that queer-bated. I didn’t read it to be implying anything about Rebel’s coming out which makes your tone in both your comments seem misplaced.
I think this franchise was a perfect example of how fan reaction/perception can alter an entire franchise. In the first film, the focus is on both Beca AND Jesse, as well as their respective groups. However, by the second film Jesse becomes a side character. They actually filmed an entire Beca and Jesse storyline that was cut from the second movie. Then, in the third film Jesse and the other Treblemakers are removed completely. In the end, neither "Jeca" or "Bechloe" fans were happy. Which begs the question - what was the point? Personally, I was a fan of Beca and Jesse and their erasure in the subsequent sequels frustrated me. That being said, if the writers and producers had genuinely opted to make Beca and Chloe happen I would've understood. Instead, the producers resorted to queerbaiting and pitting the two couples against each other. If they were never serious about Bechloe (and honestly, I don't think it was ever the writers intention to put them together) then they should've continued the Beca and Jesse plot line because it was one of the only actual fleshed out storylines holding the movies together. Instead the writers refused to "commit" to either of the couples and as a result we're left with a mediocre sequel and a third movie that feels like a poorly written fanfiction. I truly believe that the downfall of many franchises occurs when writers and producers pay too much attention to "what the fans want" from sequels.
I don’t believe bechloe was a thing, but I think the producers may have put scenes in the second film to “wink” at the fans who wanted it. It’s like a way to say, “we see you” but then they can go on with their original vision. But because some fans deeply wanted it to be realized, the producers actions were callous and queer baiting. I just feel like, if you want to ship or create your own version of events, that’s totally fine and reasonable. But if it doesn’t come together, who cares? Your story could be tons better and maybe could be a story you legit create. But it’s not our place as a fan to dictate how a company tells the story they want to tell.
Rather then saying they care about what fans want they care about what will make them money. The don't actually care because they pulled this bait and switch.
@@JaredTVWhis is sadly a very very very homophobic rhetoric. It's done so much. That I an too tried to explain why. Just state.....this is a prejudice take
I love that someone made a video about this! It also makes me feel sad for Rebel who was "closeted" at the time. It makes me wonder if the studio being so anti-lgbt in their movies had something to do with her not being comfortable being publicly out. I just can't imagine having to deliver those jokes making fun of lesbians whilst having to hide being lesbian herself.
Shelley Regner was on a podcast (I believe) where she talked about how Rebel, Kendrick, and Snow stayed behind and missed the afterparty to film their kiss and it was sent to the cast in a groupchat. The whole cast supported Bechloe ending up together too! We. Were. ROBBED!!!
Bechloe was my introduction into queer fandom. I remember watching the movie as a little closeted lesbian, getting definite vibes from chloe and beca, and feeling so seen and validated when I discovered thousands of people online saw the same thing I did. The queerbaiting felt hella cruel, esp when you're a closeted teen trying to find some escape and representation. But I'll always be ride or die for Anna Kendrick. It really felt like she had our backs in all those interviews, and her and brittany posting like bechloe insta pics whenever they were together. I guess anyone could still make the argument that she just did it for marketing but it always felt genuine, esp after she refused her character to get in another relationship with a random man and made them film a bechloe kiss
The line "she is not a lesbian or bisexual. She is just a girl that loves everyone🥰" pissed me off because WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Is she pansexual then? Just say she is straight and stop with the flowery nonsense.
she's a woman, who loves everyone. Doesn't have to be sexual or your identity. LGBT just wants everything to be about them LOL, it never will. enjoy June.
@@IAmTheTruCanadian maybe LGBT people deserve some representation, you know? after queer marriage being illegal for so long? after the holocaust killing tens of thousands of gay people? after the AIDS epidemic? you don't get an award for being so hateful.
@@IAmTheTruCanadianthat's what straight ppl...everything abt them...also adding the sexual part...ick, so weird of y'all to have a first thought of us
I am actually disgusted to learn that Universal advertised a “Will they won’t they” relationship, in a movie where that relationship is implied at best.
I was waiting for a video like this. I am a trans man, but I had identified as a wlw throughout my teens and early twenties, and am still involved (to a certain, appropriate degree) in lesbian fandom and spaces. I was also a die-hard Bechloe shipper on Tumblr throughout the Pitch Perfect franchise. I'm a fan of all the films, they're fun and something to watch for a pick-me-up, but I remember in 2018 being absolutely dumbfounded by the advertising for PP3. I was cynical enough to know that they weren't going to actually have Beca and Chloe get together, but I couldn't help but engage in the hype the fandom had at the time. It was so blatant! Not even a hint, not subtext--completely direct. It was so direct, in fact, that it gave me a sliver of doubt. I'd categorize it, as well as the marketing for Riverdale season 1, as cruel. To a community who was especially lacking in representation at the time. It upsets me to this day, because I remember how excited everyone got, and then how disappointed they were after.
Sorry for the tangent but With my little knowledge of queer history it sorta makes me smile that the Transmacs lesbian solidarity/ convergence is still central within our community today. Before trans visibility/ acceptance was more prevalent, it was incredibly common for sapphic aligned people to socially transition into masculine roles, while persisting within the sapphic community. It was just accepted that some girls like girls and some people who were raised as girls also like girls but don’t really identify as one themselves whatever that specifically meant to them. I believe these roots are why lesbians are statistically most likely to be trans Allies than any other demographic.
I wasn’t a big Pitch Perfect fan and I never saw the shower scene as romantic, if anything Becka seemed pretty uncomfortable, but that second movie…WOW, they sure went hard on the baiting. Also, man, that Castiel scene was painful. They did supernatural fans so dirty it’s crazy
It wasn't only the shower scene though. I'm not even lesbian (I'm a dude lol), but even I noticed there was something between them. The way Chloe was so focused on Beca and giving her a chance despite her friend Aubrey being against it, the part where she pulled her closer and said that she felt like they're going to be good friends and did a ginger jig, just the way she looked at her and her siding with Beca. I was like, is there gonna be a triangle? I ship them. But then got confused when it was just Jesse lol Like there must be a reason to why many had the same thought, 'cause I was surprised when I found out many people shipped them as well and had the same thoughts and experience I had watching the first movie.
I've been in the bechloe fandom so long I should qualify for a veterans' discount, and I've never seen anyone make a video like this so thank you for that! I was a very young, closeted teen when I got into this fandom. I didn't have a lot of experience with how homophobic the mainstream film industry could be, and hoped against hope that they would make bechloe canon in the sequels. This video really clarifies a lot of things I couldn't see at the time. Particularly with the treatment of Cynthia Rose, I don't know how I ever thought this franchise would be capable of respecting queer people. The "representation" of a canon lesbian character is outweighed by centuries-old homophobic and racist stereotypes. It always felt particularly cruel the way the story would dance around Beca and Chloe's potential queerness. Like they would just throw random bits of queercoding into the narrative in a non-linear and shallow way, feeding scraps to queer fans in a way that betrayed their fundamental lack of concern for what those fans wanted. Especially by attempting to re-affirm both characters' heterosexuality in the final movie, despite the SHOCKINGLY blatant bechloe-centric advertisements.
I always found the homophobia in these films not just disapointing but actively immersion breaking. You're in a choir in college and only one person is gay? and everyone else is kind of uncomfortable about her? What alternative universe is this supposed to be set in?
I think there was also a big disconnect between what the actors and the writers and even the director wanted to do with BeChloe, and what the producers would let them do. The actors hinted at trying to fight for BeChloe and meeting resistance a lot (at least Anna Kendrick, and Rebel Wilson). There's often a big difference between what the artists want and what the industry wants.
Thank you for this. The marketing for PP3 jaw dropping in how absolutely queerbaiting at its most shameless can be. And will always and forever love Anna Kendrick for how much she talks candidly about loving women and promoting any and all queer ships people put her in.
I greatly enjoy these movies (even though a lot of things didn’t age very well imo), but the queerbaiting is simply undeniable and a huge issue. Beca and Chloe had way more chemistry together than either of them did with any of their straight romantic interests.
@@samk7877 I think people don’t call it out as much (or at all really) with Chloe and Beca because we get to know them as people both together and separately whereas Cynthia Rose is just there as a one joke background character so the predation is all you really see.
I only saw the first movie in full and clips of the other ones and gosh. I didn't know the marketing was like that. Funnily enough I saw it with the host family's daughter during a youth choir festival. I was in the closet and 17 and trying not to be noticeably queer or too excited at queer subtext lol
There's a few movies in the same time frame that share this same level of queer baiting unbeknownst to the extraordinarily queer audience who were really watching the film and it's a shame that none of them had any payoff. In the last film there was just the perfect moment at the end for Beca and Chloe, after spending the whole movie on this journey of the group breaking apart and finally getting to a place where they realized that they wanted to stay close no matter what, that it makes almost no sense to end it off with Chloe's kiss with Chicago. It cheapens her entire storyline and it would've been just generally more impactful if they did follow through on this relationship. Not to mention that a number of these actors are queer in real life even while playing these straight characters and it doesn't feel very good that they were used as the faces in this film that mocks them as well.
Yeah the Chicago kiss was really unnecessary. I understand if they didn’t want to fully bring on the wlw ship but not sure why they had to lock the characters in. Perhaps 2016 wasn’t ready for the gayness
I was not really into Tumblr those years, so it is the first time I hear abot BeChloe. However, I had a big crush on Becca and my younger me would have died to see a wlw relationship involving those two. Pd: it was really well done video and I am suprise of how few subscribes do you have. I am glad yt recommended me your channel, now you have a new subscriber.
when i was younger and was really into bbc sherlock i complained to my grandma about the queer baiting in it. so to PROVE ME WRONG she talked to her director friend and basically had him tell me queerbaiting isn't real. i was so upset and kept saying "you're not listening to me." she yelled at me because she "took the time to help" me. yeah anyway my grandma is were a lot of my trauma stems from lmaoo.
I never followed the marketing for these movies, so I had no idea. Didn't get the vibe from Becca but it never even crossed my mind that Chloe was straight, I just thought she was bi, even if she wasn't ready to identify herself as such. To be fair, I'm not sure I watched all three movies in full, the first one yes, but the other two I think I caught on tv and just watched parts of them. Seeing the video now, their marketing strategy was very disrespectful of the LGBT+ community.
You're so right! The marketing is disgusting! Can't remember all the questions you asked but I certainly would have loved to see a moment that isn't just pure chemistry, the two of them have that in spades but what the directors wouldn't let them do was to have a serious and practical moment where they would be honest and either pursue or reject one another's feelings. But for that the film makers would have to take the queer community itself seriously...
Seeing that clip of Betty and Veronica from 'Riverdale' was controversial at the time, but, now, the pairing is canon albeit with them in an alternate 1950s-styled universe.
I was really into the franchise when I was 12-15 years old. Back then I didn’t see a lot of queer relationships but I knew it could happen. But with Bechloe, I kinda felt like they never intended to make that official. I didn’t feel any kind of attachment to Becca’s official relationship either. Back then I didn’t see any problems with Bechloe but now I’m glad the queerbaiting issue is brought up. Anyways, I was into Pitch Perfect because the covers are cool and the girls are pretty. Also, I was obsessed with Anna Kendrick.
The studios in the 2010s *knew* what they were doing. Especially the TV series. The knew people would watch hours of content in hopes their ship becomes canon. Satisfied by the rare lingering gaze or whatever. As much as I’m glad people know what studios when it comes to queerbaiting - the fact some forced Kit Connor out shows people still need to learn what it means.
i remember starting the BBC sherlock because i saw snippets online and i was 100% certain they were dating 💀 i finished the two first season confused bc nothing happened
Nothing would top Teen Wolf and Supernatural when it comes to queerbaiting. That those two hurt my spirit😂😂 they didn't just do it in the show like they actually did it in real life as well and at fan conventions
bechloe was my first introduction to queer anything as a teenager and as an adult who still loves the first film it's incredibly frustrating to see how the director's handled the comings of a queer ship. I hate when its all will they won't they and personally as the movies progressed the possibility of an actual main queer romance should've been explored more. I don't think jesse should've ever been the main love interest
they're not gay.... what are you talking about??? The movies were about girls and their friendship. Why do you have to project your life's view on a movie that is clearly not trying to bait anything. This video fails to mention at the first meeting Chloe is hooking up with a guy.
I keep on questioning if bechloe or supercorp destroyed me more mentally Like they made my lesbian heart feel so good and crave love while also crushing it into a million pieces and make me really sad... Supercorp definitely tortured me longer tho bc the mf queerbait just kept coming for many as in five seasons straight (pun was not intended and does not make me feel good rn) The writers and producers and studios all knew damn well what they were doing (*) and I feel like the actors disagree but their hands were tied... * like okay I looked at two of my best friends like bechloe and supercorp look at each other but I was madly inlove with them ffs LOOKING SMILINGLY AND PININGLY AT UR "BEST FRIEND" FROM A 15 METER DISTANCE WHILE TALKING TO A GUY U HAVE A CRUSH ON IS NOT PLATONIC, FLYING AROUND THE WORLD TO GET UR BUDDYS FAVOURITE FOOD AND LONGINGLY SMILE AT THEM WHEREVER THEY ARE IS NOT PLATONIC and I should stop thinking about them its 2 am and I don't wanna physically and violently abuse any pillows or sth rn...
@daniellewilliams4788 I kinda just ignore them atm Like haven't watched the show in ages and I'm not on insta and my yt recommendations are filled with different stuff Think I'd fall back down the rabbit hole if I saw them tho
I never watched Pitch Perfect 3 because I was so furious at the queerbaiting in 2. Someone I knew saw 3 opening day and told me they never canonized them, so I skipped it and have never revisited the films, despite loving the 1st. So much wasted potential and infuriating for production and the studio to do.
I'm not a bechloe shipper this is actually my first encounter with this ship and I still don't ship these characters. But the thing is why are film makers/writers even hesitant or even completely avoided giving a PROPER LGBT+ representation on this film. This wasn't made on the 90s or made for kids where they have to constantly have to queer code people, I mean they manage to have a lesbian character (unfortunately a predatory one). And their audience clearly is made up of majority LGBT+ people and allies. They have NO reason to hesitate, be it bechloe or if they really don't want the main characters to be queer just make a genuine and proper one. With all the queerbaiting they did, they definitely could make a proper LGBT+ representation, but it's clear that they CHOSE not to have it, and that is a huge side eye to the filmmakers and writers. They just use the community, doesn't take us seriously and doesn't even just respect us
great Video^^ but one thing bugged me al throughout your analysis: The "queerbaiting" snippet of Dumbledore ans Grindelwald that you showed in 'what is queerbaiting' In my opinion ist not queerbaiting because the charakters had an canon, confirmed romantic relationship. Yet queerbaiting just lingers with the question: 'what if?' But ohter than that: outstanding work with this Video (;
I mean, I'd argue that they had a different type of queerbaiting applied to their relationship. It's been so long since I've taken anything jkr has to say with anything but scorn, but as far as I remember when she was pulling her 'dumbledore is gay, no really!' press tour the line was that they might not have even hooked up. They just had two weeks of an intense crush that ended in treasure hunting and death, and then dumbledore never had a romantic feeling again because he's pure like that. ✨ Representation ✨
I haven't seen the third Fantastic Beasts film but the marketing for the second film (in the UK)made it look like their romantic relationship would be explicit in the movie and then it wasn't. If you watched it without knowing they were supposed to be lovers, I don't think you would have understood that from the film. So personally I think it was Queerbaiting because the marketing hinted there would be a focus on their relationship which there wasn't really in the film.
Honestly even with all the queerbaiting & homophobic lesbian caricature-i still am so glad that kiss scene got to at least be made..it looks like the guys were making out too and its great
Thank you! My pronunciations can all kinds of messed up sometimes so these hints are helpful. One day I'll make a blooper reel of all my mispronunciations, I'm sure!
How do you have less than 100k subs? I'm genuinely baffled. You're so incredibly talented & your videos are entertaining, funny and the videos are of very high quality!! Wow
We all know the internet and junk listens to us. I was literally talking to my friends about Pitch Perfect the other day and then this shows up on my recommend haha As everyone said, we were robbed. I can appreciate that they didn't intend on them being anything more when we first started but I don't appreciate the baiting later on. And yeah, it doesn't help that Anna and Britney had some much chemistry lol. They did a great job with their characters. I remember the first time I watch pitch perfect I didn't really expect anything relationship-wise but I was kind of shocked when Anna's character ended up with what's his face. He was in the movie but to me he wasn't in the movie enough for them to really build any sort of chemistry and so I was just like oh, they are getting together? I In fact Did not See the signs
I was not one of the people who were shipping or wanted Becca and Chloe to happen back when the movies were made, however, I find their use of queerbaiting disgusting. They knew what they were doing with the two and intentionally wrote it so fans would keep their hopes up, only to be dashed away. That is the most cruel thing I can imagine. If they don't want to pull the trigger and just do it, then don't write or film scenes hinting at that. But studios will always choose marketing over the right thing to do.
3:17 (ish), I think this is reductive. A lot of queer bating is the creation or establishment of relationships, that are then refused the payoff or outright have their existence denied because those relationships are queer.
Really can't find anything to argue here. The Studio ... not the filmmakers, the STUDIO could have done a positive thing with this film, they could have given the fandom what it really wanted, but they chickened out. And, now, so much time has passed that there's no hope of any kind of continuation, so Pitch Perfect will remain a trilogy, and Bechloe will live only in fanfic, You Tube videos, and the hearts of the fans. Personally, I don't care what Universal claims is or isn't canon, #BechloeIsReal.
i agree! I mean no matter how much we want a PP4 it will never happen, but Bechloe still has a fandom and people that hang onto that ship, and that queerbaiting and bad ending was just mean. That queerbaiting probably made the actors uncomfy and now Brittany and Annas friendship kinda broke, its really sad to see a potantial good friendship be ripped apart.
I just noticed the two dudes also kiss in the deleted scene, lol. Is that why it was taken out? Because that one was out of nowhere? I haven't seen the film yet so can't say if the two had chemistry
i mean this is so sad. These two probably would be a thing in the movie if it wasnt for marketing. I mean you can see how after the movie Kendrick and Snows friendship slowly disappeard from the public, now only Snow, kelly and chrisie really posting stuff when they meet up. Really sad how much queerbaiting can affect not only the fandom, but the ship.
I’m always glad to hear people call out queerbaiting. Corporations don’t deserve sympathy or the benefit of the doubt, or for queer people to come up with excuses for them. They deserve to be called out for their greed
I really liked them together. So first things i did after watching the movies was checking out some fan fictions. My personal big queerbaiting moment where it bothered me kinda was supercorp. Kara/Lena on the supergirl series.
Chloe comes across as so unstraight that when i saw the first movie as a kid i genuinely thought she was just really good friends with the shower boy 😂 i was so convinced that she was meant to be gay
I think the issue is fans shipping characters that defy the point of the story, and marketing teams exploiting this for a profit. Pitch Perfect is about gender, NOT sexuality so I think it's unfair to criticize the content of the films when it's the business executives and toxic fandom that's the issue. 99% of the time filmmakers have zero control over the marketing after all.
I’d only ever seen the first movie, so when I saw Bechloe stuff online I thought it was just usual 2010s era tumblr goggles/wishful thinking. I had no idea it got SO intense. That’s wild.
I genuinely think that the first movie didn't intend to queerbait at all, it's just showing a diverse group of girls in terms of personality (I know that the movie lacks representation, so I'm referring specifically to personalities) interacting with each other. Chloe is a very "girls girl", she's very feminine and cute, she probably grew up with a lot of girl friends, so she isn't bothered by being too close or intimate, she's also very affectionate. On the other hand, Becca is very closed off and is not used to having girl friends, so she is confused by Chloe's behavior a lot of times. I also think that the movie is about female friendship and that they should've kept it that way, without trying to purposefully insinuate any sexual tension between straight characters. They could've made them bisexual or gay, but I don't think they should've been a couple either way, because I feel like these movies are centered around friendship and not so much about romance, and them being a couple would've turned the story into a romance. The 3rd movie is terrible and should've never existed, they didn't need romantic subplots.
Okay I must be an idiot because I've seen all these movies but I had NO idea that this was a ship. But I can absolutely see it now. Your points on the queer baiting are valid. Knowing this now that they played up the ship but then made Chloe go with a dude is terrible.
Cruel is the correct word for what queer baiting is, and I'm terrified that Hollywood is going there again with Byler in stranger things. Wonderful video, you've gained a new subscriber :)
Straight woman here. Interesting video. I could definitely see where the camping “experimenting in college” scene was queerbaiting, and much more so than the shower scene. After all, nudity doesn’t have to be sexual.
Side rant: I never shipped Dean/Sam, but after seeing a few people talk about the ship, I'm more sympathic. When taken from the lens of emotional incest and examined with this phenomenon in mind, you can see how their (canonically destructive) codependence can be viewed as blurring the lines between family and romantic. Dean made his life around protecting Sam, leaving him little beyond that relationship. Add his natural flirtation, and he crosses the line sometimes in a way fans can see as canonically incestuous. Then when Cas comes into the mix, you can see how Dean has trouble distinguishing between possible romance and a brotherly bond because his actual brotherly bond isn't healthy. And people in universe do think he and Sam are a married couple sometimes. Both actors for Sam and Dean have said they had to fight the writers on some scenes because it was too romantic for brothers, so with what we got I can only imagine what was cut. I still don't ship it, but I can see how it wasn't pulled from nothing like I thought. I thought it was because fangirls gonna fangirl and there were only 2 characters to do that with until Cas showed up, but nah they have in world evidence.
i don't think i was ever aware of this marketing and queerbaiting honestly?? i mean i was a sophomore in high school and honestly dreaded the third movie coming out tbf. but cruel is definitely the right word. i think the movies always felt more than a little bit mean spirited but i couldn't have imagined anything even marginally close to this.
It is cruel. There's this hope every time they bait us... and then they pull it away like we're a bad dog who doesn't get the bone. And they keep doing it, and doing it, and now it's just made us cynical. On the other hand, queerbaiting is kind of a foot in the door to more representation. But on the other, it's cowardly and just heartbreaking for those of us yearning for just a little bit of representation. Thank you to The Owl House for giving us real representation that doesn't bait us.
This is one of the movies that really made me realise I am bi, and I'm still sad that they never dared to make a LGBT+ story line and kept on queerbating
I'm in the Trolls fandom and the main character (played by Anna) is not explicitly said to be queer and never has romantic implications with an other female character (the male lead becomes her boyfriend), but some people ship her with a female antagonist and are under the impression that she was attracted to her so I see it lmao
my thoughts as a gay man: if you wanna make it a running gag that two same sex friends are so close they seem like a couple, that's fine, in some instances I even like that, but including it in advertising when it's not even in the actual end product is where I'm grossed out. although the first Pitch Perfect is one of my favorite movies ever, it is disappointing how often they milk BeChloe only to give us nothing in the end. an even worse example I can think of is from one of my favorite TV shows ever Teen Wolf, so much queerbaiting in interviews and one off scenes and yet there was like two gay couples, one that only appeared in the finale and the other consisting of two boring nothing characters 🙄🙄🙄
Okay if no one is gonna say it I will it's Supercorp it is the heaviest queerbaiting I have ever seen and those aholes even ended the only after 6 seasons, the only show with almost all female cast where on the other hand flash is completing its 19th season. Wtf is wrong with CW let me tell u everything. They did the same with Zari and Charlie in Legends of Tmrw. A show with the most diverse cast in CW and they ended the show so abruptly.
Biggest queerbait that got to me was voltron legendary defender. They made ads that said " Meet Shiro's Fiancee Adam!" only to have one scene of them together in which they are arguing and it is said no where or shown no where that they are together, then they kill Adam off two minutes later. I was pissed as fuck over that shit.
Thanks for covering this. I think creators who queer bait assume much of their audience who ships a queer couple is a bunch of crazed teenage girls. Even so, it’s still disrespectful.
The fact that they made the only lesbian character rapey af is just wow. Takes me back to the days where my dorm room mate refused to share a room with me cause she was sure i would 'do something' to her at night... We had been roomates for more than 5 months at this point before she found out i like women.
damn thats horrible im sorry
Who was the lesbian character? It been awhile since I’ve seen the movies and remember the songs better than all the characters.
@@Hermioneswishforgot the name but she played by ester dean
@@imangelinayoujennifer oh yep I think the character’s name is Cynthia Rose
Pitch Perfect is a great example of performative inclusion. Any characters that represent a marginalized group or sub-culture are relegated to the background or only brought forth to play into a very damaging stereotype. It's all disappointing, especially because none of the straight pairings had an ounce of chemistry and charm that Becca and Chloe did. Great video!
It’s fucking wild how much that’s still done but they have learned to mask it so a ton of people don’t realize it
All for that sweet sweet China money
The whole Pitch Perfect were a bunch of stereotypes though. I think people forgot that part. Not only the marginalized people. The old man was stereotyped as a misoginist which isn't true for all old men, but it's a stereotype. Becca was the alternative, quirky and misunderstood girl that gets the guy. Fat Amy the funny fat side character that only has comedy as her personality and helps the main character. Benji the awkward nerd dude, that is just too geeky to even function. Stacie the dumb, slutty girl who is always horny. Cynthia Rose is a lesbian that got the bad forced stereotype (not real stereotype) where they're after all women and sexually assaults them. ETC.
I guess Beca and Chloe are the stereotype queer bait
It’s about what stereotypes should be considered marginal and would be considered more punching down. The butchy predatory and blackness of Cynthia Rose’s character is significantly more negative than the other stereotypes. It would been more for laughs if they made Stacie slutty and gay, and predatory goes after Cynthia Rose (still butchy but straight, and is actually on the defensive).
The marketing of queer baiting is crazy tho, like shit the 3rd movie should be stoned to death. I feel bad for the actresses… comedy did like to ride on the gay trope a lot in the 2010s. Britney definitely was awkward about it.
@@Tranitosaur Good point. I think you also have to take in how much the movies divert from that base character stereotype. Does Cynthia, for example, as the black, butch-coded lesbian progress beyond that? The one backstory note we get is when she came out as a gambling addict, but that's mainly played as a joke because it subverts the traditional 'gay coming out.' In the following movies she is largely a background player; that's partially because they added a lot more characters to the Bellas; but even so she's not written with any other characteristics than being stereo-typically predatory. While stereotypes can be a foundation to create a character on top of, the writers should still consider whether or not a particular stereotype is negative to the community it depicts.
true.
sapphic queerbaits are never taken seriously and are sooo overly fetishized this video is so refreshing
Shera 2018, Owl House and and Arcane were godsends for the sapphics and the queers 🏳️🌈
@@falconeshield theyre not even together in Arcane yet. tho that show did make Riot finally admit they are together in the game universe as well as the other two gay couple/ex couple.
we were robbed
Super robbed
Maybe I just never saw the trailers but I never got the vibe that Bechloe was ever really an endgame. The only LGBT character they could show in the first film was a lesbian predator and her ex used for a blink-and-you'll-miss-it joke/twist. LGBT characters can be introduced later but it's a hell of a tonesetter.
16:57 Man, knowing that Rebel Wilson was closeted saying this adds another layer of sadness to this interaction. I know that if I were her, I'd be so sad not to reach my community that way.
I think I blinked, what was the twist?
@@windyday6850If you watch the footage at 8:20, you'll see that the brunette mouths "I still love you". Very easy to miss and I only noticed because someone else pointed it out to me
yeah it never felt to me like they were serious about it, but it was just insulting that the only queer rep was that and the predatory lesbian
@@quinnoutlaw Being closeted isn't about saying you're straight every other minute, it's about concealing the fact that you're LGBT (in this case, sapphic) which I did not shame her for since people stay closeted for safety/privacy. I also never labelled her as lesbian, bi or pan, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. My point was that it was probably uncomfortable being part of a franchise that didn't take sapphicness seriously as a sapphic person. Your comment seems to be made in bad faith.
@@quinnoutlaw I don’t understand where your condescension is coming from? OP never said anything about suffering in the closet. They said the realization that rebel was closeted at the time adds a layer of sadness which is a valid interpretation clearly coming from their personal perspective. It’s reasonable to feel a person now openly in a sapphic relationship wouldn’t feel super great about a project that queer-bated. I didn’t read it to be implying anything about Rebel’s coming out which makes your tone in both your comments seem misplaced.
I think this franchise was a perfect example of how fan reaction/perception can alter an entire franchise. In the first film, the focus is on both Beca AND Jesse, as well as their respective groups. However, by the second film Jesse becomes a side character. They actually filmed an entire Beca and Jesse storyline that was cut from the second movie. Then, in the third film Jesse and the other Treblemakers are removed completely. In the end, neither "Jeca" or "Bechloe" fans were happy. Which begs the question - what was the point? Personally, I was a fan of Beca and Jesse and their erasure in the subsequent sequels frustrated me. That being said, if the writers and producers had genuinely opted to make Beca and Chloe happen I would've understood. Instead, the producers resorted to queerbaiting and pitting the two couples against each other. If they were never serious about Bechloe (and honestly, I don't think it was ever the writers intention to put them together) then they should've continued the Beca and Jesse plot line because it was one of the only actual fleshed out storylines holding the movies together. Instead the writers refused to "commit" to either of the couples and as a result we're left with a mediocre sequel and a third movie that feels like a poorly written fanfiction. I truly believe that the downfall of many franchises occurs when writers and producers pay too much attention to "what the fans want" from sequels.
boo hoo cry some more
I don’t believe bechloe was a thing, but I think the producers may have put scenes in the second film to “wink” at the fans who wanted it. It’s like a way to say, “we see you” but then they can go on with their original vision. But because some fans deeply wanted it to be realized, the producers actions were callous and queer baiting.
I just feel like, if you want to ship or create your own version of events, that’s totally fine and reasonable. But if it doesn’t come together, who cares? Your story could be tons better and maybe could be a story you legit create. But it’s not our place as a fan to dictate how a company tells the story they want to tell.
Rather then saying they care about what fans want they care about what will make them money. The don't actually care because they pulled this bait and switch.
@@JaredTVWhis is sadly a very very very homophobic rhetoric. It's done so much. That I an too tried to explain why. Just state.....this is a prejudice take
I love that someone made a video about this! It also makes me feel sad for Rebel who was "closeted" at the time. It makes me wonder if the studio being so anti-lgbt in their movies had something to do with her not being comfortable being publicly out. I just can't imagine having to deliver those jokes making fun of lesbians whilst having to hide being lesbian herself.
WAIT.. THIS IS HOW I FIND OUT REBEL IS QUEER?
Shelley Regner was on a podcast (I believe) where she talked about how Rebel, Kendrick, and Snow stayed behind and missed the afterparty to film their kiss and it was sent to the cast in a groupchat. The whole cast supported Bechloe ending up together too! We. Were. ROBBED!!!
I seen that. It should have been endgame.
Bechloe was my introduction into queer fandom. I remember watching the movie as a little closeted lesbian, getting definite vibes from chloe and beca, and feeling so seen and validated when I discovered thousands of people online saw the same thing I did. The queerbaiting felt hella cruel, esp when you're a closeted teen trying to find some escape and representation. But I'll always be ride or die for Anna Kendrick. It really felt like she had our backs in all those interviews, and her and brittany posting like bechloe insta pics whenever they were together. I guess anyone could still make the argument that she just did it for marketing but it always felt genuine, esp after she refused her character to get in another relationship with a random man and made them film a bechloe kiss
“I will always be ride or die for Anna Kendrick.”
Yes, this.
The line "she is not a lesbian or bisexual. She is just a girl that loves everyone🥰" pissed me off because WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Is she pansexual then? Just say she is straight and stop with the flowery nonsense.
she's a woman, who loves everyone. Doesn't have to be sexual or your identity. LGBT just wants everything to be about them LOL, it never will. enjoy June.
@@IAmTheTruCanadian maybe LGBT people deserve some representation, you know? after queer marriage being illegal for so long? after the holocaust killing tens of thousands of gay people? after the AIDS epidemic? you don't get an award for being so hateful.
i think she was referencing her bubbly personality but yeah screw pitch perfect 2 and 3
@@IAmTheTruCanadiangirl your far off but if you want to call gay shit unlabeled Free love so it's not a part of the "lgbt" you do that lol
@@IAmTheTruCanadianthat's what straight ppl...everything abt them...also adding the sexual part...ick, so weird of y'all to have a first thought of us
I am actually disgusted to learn that Universal advertised a “Will they won’t they” relationship, in a movie where that relationship is implied at best.
This franchise is queerphobic, racist and fatphobic but since it plays the card of self-awareness, everybody decides to ignore it. It's infuriating.
I knew there was queerbaiting in the movie but oh my god, that whole "will they won't they" promotion is just downright nasty.
There was never a will they won't they though.
I was waiting for a video like this. I am a trans man, but I had identified as a wlw throughout my teens and early twenties, and am still involved (to a certain, appropriate degree) in lesbian fandom and spaces. I was also a die-hard Bechloe shipper on Tumblr throughout the Pitch Perfect franchise. I'm a fan of all the films, they're fun and something to watch for a pick-me-up, but I remember in 2018 being absolutely dumbfounded by the advertising for PP3. I was cynical enough to know that they weren't going to actually have Beca and Chloe get together, but I couldn't help but engage in the hype the fandom had at the time. It was so blatant! Not even a hint, not subtext--completely direct. It was so direct, in fact, that it gave me a sliver of doubt. I'd categorize it, as well as the marketing for Riverdale season 1, as cruel. To a community who was especially lacking in representation at the time. It upsets me to this day, because I remember how excited everyone got, and then how disappointed they were after.
Sorry for the tangent but With my little knowledge of queer history it sorta makes me smile that the Transmacs lesbian solidarity/ convergence is still central within our community today. Before trans visibility/ acceptance was more prevalent, it was incredibly common for sapphic aligned people to socially transition into masculine roles, while persisting within the sapphic community. It was just accepted that some girls like girls and some people who were raised as girls also like girls but don’t really identify as one themselves whatever that specifically meant to them. I believe these roots are why lesbians are statistically most likely to be trans Allies than any other demographic.
Apologies . What is "wlw"
@@chrys_stone8716woman loving woman (lesbians, bi women, etc)
@@starchildjay thank you. Im 37 and want to stay educated on these terms. Thanks for helping me wirhoit patronizing :)
I wasn’t a big Pitch Perfect fan and I never saw the shower scene as romantic, if anything Becka seemed pretty uncomfortable, but that second movie…WOW, they sure went hard on the baiting.
Also, man, that Castiel scene was painful. They did supernatural fans so dirty it’s crazy
It wasn't only the shower scene though. I'm not even lesbian (I'm a dude lol), but even I noticed there was something between them. The way Chloe was so focused on Beca and giving her a chance despite her friend Aubrey being against it, the part where she pulled her closer and said that she felt like they're going to be good friends and did a ginger jig, just the way she looked at her and her siding with Beca. I was like, is there gonna be a triangle? I ship them. But then got confused when it was just Jesse lol
Like there must be a reason to why many had the same thought, 'cause I was surprised when I found out many people shipped them as well and had the same thoughts and experience I had watching the first movie.
@@Tranitosaur It feels like the writers and actors wanted it, but the producers didn't.
I've been in the bechloe fandom so long I should qualify for a veterans' discount, and I've never seen anyone make a video like this so thank you for that!
I was a very young, closeted teen when I got into this fandom. I didn't have a lot of experience with how homophobic the mainstream film industry could be, and hoped against hope that they would make bechloe canon in the sequels. This video really clarifies a lot of things I couldn't see at the time. Particularly with the treatment of Cynthia Rose, I don't know how I ever thought this franchise would be capable of respecting queer people. The "representation" of a canon lesbian character is outweighed by centuries-old homophobic and racist stereotypes.
It always felt particularly cruel the way the story would dance around Beca and Chloe's potential queerness. Like they would just throw random bits of queercoding into the narrative in a non-linear and shallow way, feeding scraps to queer fans in a way that betrayed their fundamental lack of concern for what those fans wanted. Especially by attempting to re-affirm both characters' heterosexuality in the final movie, despite the SHOCKINGLY blatant bechloe-centric advertisements.
I always found the homophobia in these films not just disapointing but actively immersion breaking. You're in a choir in college and only one person is gay? and everyone else is kind of uncomfortable about her? What alternative universe is this supposed to be set in?
I think there was also a big disconnect between what the actors and the writers and even the director wanted to do with BeChloe, and what the producers would let them do. The actors hinted at trying to fight for BeChloe and meeting resistance a lot (at least Anna Kendrick, and Rebel Wilson). There's often a big difference between what the artists want and what the industry wants.
It actually hurts me! Those characters were in love and society kept them apart.
Thank you for this. The marketing for PP3 jaw dropping in how absolutely queerbaiting at its most shameless can be. And will always and forever love Anna Kendrick for how much she talks candidly about loving women and promoting any and all queer ships people put her in.
I greatly enjoy these movies (even though a lot of things didn’t age very well imo), but the queerbaiting is simply undeniable and a huge issue. Beca and Chloe had way more chemistry together than either of them did with any of their straight romantic interests.
I feel like the way Chloe is toward Beca could also be considered predatory tbh.
yeah i feel like any lesbian plotlines in these movies were predatory and negative and it just sucked to watch.
@@samk7877 I think people don’t call it out as much (or at all really) with Chloe and Beca because we get to know them as people both together and separately whereas Cynthia Rose is just there as a one joke background character so the predation is all you really see.
yes! especially in the first film where Beca is just a freshman (17-18 yrs old) while Chloe is a senior (21-22 yrs old)
@@LinkachuHQ well if beca was a freshman she would've been actually 18-19 but it's still weird
I only saw the first movie in full and clips of the other ones and gosh. I didn't know the marketing was like that. Funnily enough I saw it with the host family's daughter during a youth choir festival. I was in the closet and 17 and trying not to be noticeably queer or too excited at queer subtext lol
Rizzoli and Isles was my first introduction into queer fandom, and my first introduction into queerbaiting.
Omg yess another person
There's a few movies in the same time frame that share this same level of queer baiting unbeknownst to the extraordinarily queer audience who were really watching the film and it's a shame that none of them had any payoff. In the last film there was just the perfect moment at the end for Beca and Chloe, after spending the whole movie on this journey of the group breaking apart and finally getting to a place where they realized that they wanted to stay close no matter what, that it makes almost no sense to end it off with Chloe's kiss with Chicago. It cheapens her entire storyline and it would've been just generally more impactful if they did follow through on this relationship. Not to mention that a number of these actors are queer in real life even while playing these straight characters and it doesn't feel very good that they were used as the faces in this film that mocks them as well.
Yeah the Chicago kiss was really unnecessary. I understand if they didn’t want to fully bring on the wlw ship but not sure why they had to lock the characters in. Perhaps 2016 wasn’t ready for the gayness
I was not really into Tumblr those years, so it is the first time I hear abot BeChloe. However, I had a big crush on Becca and my younger me would have died to see a wlw relationship involving those two.
Pd: it was really well done video and I am suprise of how few subscribes do you have. I am glad yt recommended me your channel, now you have a new subscriber.
when i was younger and was really into bbc sherlock i complained to my grandma about the queer baiting in it. so to PROVE ME WRONG she talked to her director friend and basically had him tell me queerbaiting isn't real. i was so upset and kept saying "you're not listening to me." she yelled at me because she "took the time to help" me. yeah anyway my grandma is were a lot of my trauma stems from lmaoo.
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Ok that marketing was just messed up.
I never followed the marketing for these movies, so I had no idea. Didn't get the vibe from Becca but it never even crossed my mind that Chloe was straight, I just thought she was bi, even if she wasn't ready to identify herself as such. To be fair, I'm not sure I watched all three movies in full, the first one yes, but the other two I think I caught on tv and just watched parts of them. Seeing the video now, their marketing strategy was very disrespectful of the LGBT+ community.
You're so right! The marketing is disgusting! Can't remember all the questions you asked but I certainly would have loved to see a moment that isn't just pure chemistry, the two of them have that in spades but what the directors wouldn't let them do was to have a serious and practical moment where they would be honest and either pursue or reject one another's feelings. But for that the film makers would have to take the queer community itself seriously...
Seeing that clip of Betty and Veronica from 'Riverdale' was controversial at the time, but, now, the pairing is canon albeit with them in an alternate 1950s-styled universe.
Woow this was such a well made video I'm so surprised it doesn't have more views!
I was really into the franchise when I was 12-15 years old. Back then I didn’t see a lot of queer relationships but I knew it could happen. But with Bechloe, I kinda felt like they never intended to make that official. I didn’t feel any kind of attachment to Becca’s official relationship either. Back then I didn’t see any problems with Bechloe but now I’m glad the queerbaiting issue is brought up.
Anyways, I was into Pitch Perfect because the covers are cool and the girls are pretty. Also, I was obsessed with Anna Kendrick.
Don't forget that Cynthia Rose looks very masculine or tomboysh. Another very popular lesbian stereotype.
The term is Bulldyke.
I mean that’s not a stereotype. Many lesbians are butch and that’s a big part of the subculture. The problem is the predatory behavior.
it's been years, but Castiel confessing only to get banhammered still makes me laugh everytime
The studios in the 2010s *knew* what they were doing. Especially the TV series. The knew people would watch hours of content in hopes their ship becomes canon. Satisfied by the rare lingering gaze or whatever.
As much as I’m glad people know what studios when it comes to queerbaiting - the fact some forced Kit Connor out shows people still need to learn what it means.
Great video!
For queerbaiting, I think BBC Sherlock and Supernatural did it the worst. But I've also heard Teen Wolf and Merlin do wild things too.
i remember starting the BBC sherlock because i saw snippets online and i was 100% certain they were dating 💀 i finished the two first season confused bc nothing happened
Nothing would top Teen Wolf and Supernatural when it comes to queerbaiting. That those two hurt my spirit😂😂 they didn't just do it in the show like they actually did it in real life as well and at fan conventions
bechloe was my first introduction to queer anything as a teenager and as an adult who still loves the first film it's incredibly frustrating to see how the director's handled the comings of a queer ship. I hate when its all will they won't they and personally as the movies progressed the possibility of an actual main queer romance should've been explored more. I don't think jesse should've ever been the main love interest
they're not gay.... what are you talking about??? The movies were about girls and their friendship. Why do you have to project your life's view on a movie that is clearly not trying to bait anything. This video fails to mention at the first meeting Chloe is hooking up with a guy.
@@IAmTheTruCanadian the video did not fail to mention that by the way.
I keep on questioning if bechloe or supercorp destroyed me more mentally
Like they made my lesbian heart feel so good and crave love while also crushing it into a million pieces and make me really sad...
Supercorp definitely tortured me longer tho bc the mf queerbait just kept coming for many as in five seasons straight (pun was not intended and does not make me feel good rn)
The writers and producers and studios all knew damn well what they were doing (*) and I feel like the actors disagree but their hands were tied...
* like okay I looked at two of my best friends like bechloe and supercorp look at each other but I was madly inlove with them ffs LOOKING SMILINGLY AND PININGLY AT UR "BEST FRIEND" FROM A 15 METER DISTANCE WHILE TALKING TO A GUY U HAVE A CRUSH ON IS NOT PLATONIC, FLYING AROUND THE WORLD TO GET UR BUDDYS FAVOURITE FOOD AND LONGINGLY SMILE AT THEM WHEREVER THEY ARE IS NOT PLATONIC
and I should stop thinking about them its 2 am and I don't wanna physically and violently abuse any pillows or sth rn...
I was looking for a supercorp comment. I don't think I'll ever get over it
@daniellewilliams4788 I kinda just ignore them atm
Like haven't watched the show in ages and I'm not on insta and my yt recommendations are filled with different stuff
Think I'd fall back down the rabbit hole if I saw them tho
I never watched Pitch Perfect 3 because I was so furious at the queerbaiting in 2. Someone I knew saw 3 opening day and told me they never canonized them, so I skipped it and have never revisited the films, despite loving the 1st. So much wasted potential and infuriating for production and the studio to do.
I'm not a bechloe shipper this is actually my first encounter with this ship and I still don't ship these characters. But the thing is why are film makers/writers even hesitant or even completely avoided giving a PROPER LGBT+ representation on this film. This wasn't made on the 90s or made for kids where they have to constantly have to queer code people, I mean they manage to have a lesbian character (unfortunately a predatory one). And their audience clearly is made up of majority LGBT+ people and allies. They have NO reason to hesitate, be it bechloe or if they really don't want the main characters to be queer just make a genuine and proper one. With all the queerbaiting they did, they definitely could make a proper LGBT+ representation, but it's clear that they CHOSE not to have it, and that is a huge side eye to the filmmakers and writers. They just use the community, doesn't take us seriously and doesn't even just respect us
great Video^^ but one thing bugged me al throughout your analysis: The "queerbaiting" snippet of Dumbledore ans Grindelwald that you showed in 'what is queerbaiting'
In my opinion ist not queerbaiting because the charakters had an canon, confirmed romantic relationship. Yet queerbaiting just lingers with the question: 'what if?'
But ohter than that: outstanding work with this Video (;
I mean, I'd argue that they had a different type of queerbaiting applied to their relationship. It's been so long since I've taken anything jkr has to say with anything but scorn, but as far as I remember when she was pulling her 'dumbledore is gay, no really!' press tour the line was that they might not have even hooked up. They just had two weeks of an intense crush that ended in treasure hunting and death, and then dumbledore never had a romantic feeling again because he's pure like that. ✨ Representation ✨
I haven't seen the third Fantastic Beasts film but the marketing for the second film (in the UK)made it look like their romantic relationship would be explicit in the movie and then it wasn't. If you watched it without knowing they were supposed to be lovers, I don't think you would have understood that from the film. So personally I think it was Queerbaiting because the marketing hinted there would be a focus on their relationship which there wasn't really in the film.
Honestly even with all the queerbaiting & homophobic lesbian caricature-i still am so glad that kiss scene got to at least be made..it looks like the guys were making out too and its great
15:08 I have to say that epitome is pronounced "eh - pih - toe - mee", not "eh - pih - tome" 😅
Thank you! My pronunciations can all kinds of messed up sometimes so these hints are helpful. One day I'll make a blooper reel of all my mispronunciations, I'm sure!
@@CaelinRGT epitome is a really common "ive been reading this wrong in my head the whole time" word, at least in my experience lol
How do you have less than 100k subs? I'm genuinely baffled.
You're so incredibly talented & your videos are entertaining, funny and the videos are of very high quality!! Wow
2:40 “this moment is never referenced again”
*proceeds to tell us how it was referenced in the next ep*
it was also spoken about at Lodge Lodge
We all know the internet and junk listens to us. I was literally talking to my friends about Pitch Perfect the other day and then this shows up on my recommend haha
As everyone said, we were robbed. I can appreciate that they didn't intend on them being anything more when we first started but I don't appreciate the baiting later on. And yeah, it doesn't help that Anna and Britney had some much chemistry lol. They did a great job with their characters. I remember the first time I watch pitch perfect I didn't really expect anything relationship-wise but I was kind of shocked when Anna's character ended up with what's his face. He was in the movie but to me he wasn't in the movie enough for them to really build any sort of chemistry and so I was just like oh, they are getting together?
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I was not one of the people who were shipping or wanted Becca and Chloe to happen back when the movies were made, however, I find their use of queerbaiting disgusting. They knew what they were doing with the two and intentionally wrote it so fans would keep their hopes up, only to be dashed away. That is the most cruel thing I can imagine. If they don't want to pull the trigger and just do it, then don't write or film scenes hinting at that. But studios will always choose marketing over the right thing to do.
17:31 WHY AM I JUST NOW FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS?!
i watched pitch perfect for the first time recently and i totally thought becca had more chemistry with chloe than with jesse
That marketing is just atrocious, I get teasing but that was just evil
brittany snow been queerbaiting since john tucker must die when she kissed her friend in john tuckers jeep😂😂😂 why cant we have nice things
I honestly had no ideas there were sequels to pitch perfect lol. The queer baiting here is so cold 💀
3:17 (ish), I think this is reductive. A lot of queer bating is the creation or establishment of relationships, that are then refused the payoff or outright have their existence denied because those relationships are queer.
Really can't find anything to argue here. The Studio ... not the filmmakers, the STUDIO could have done a positive thing with this film, they could have given the fandom what it really wanted, but they chickened out. And, now, so much time has passed that there's no hope of any kind of continuation, so Pitch Perfect will remain a trilogy, and Bechloe will live only in fanfic, You Tube videos, and the hearts of the fans. Personally, I don't care what Universal claims is or isn't canon, #BechloeIsReal.
i agree! I mean no matter how much we want a PP4 it will never happen, but Bechloe still has a fandom and people that hang onto that ship, and that queerbaiting and bad ending was just mean. That queerbaiting probably made the actors uncomfy and now Brittany and Annas friendship kinda broke, its really sad to see a potantial good friendship be ripped apart.
I just noticed the two dudes also kiss in the deleted scene, lol. Is that why it was taken out? Because that one was out of nowhere? I haven't seen the film yet so can't say if the two had chemistry
i mean this is so sad. These two probably would be a thing in the movie if it wasnt for marketing. I mean you can see how after the movie Kendrick and Snows friendship slowly disappeard from the public, now only Snow, kelly and chrisie really posting stuff when they meet up. Really sad how much queerbaiting can affect not only the fandom, but the ship.
I’m always glad to hear people call out queerbaiting. Corporations don’t deserve sympathy or the benefit of the doubt, or for queer people to come up with excuses for them. They deserve to be called out for their greed
this isn't queerbaiting... this movie wasn't even made for the tiny demographic you call the LGBT.
I really liked them together. So first things i did after watching the movies was checking out some fan fictions.
My personal big queerbaiting moment where it bothered me kinda was supercorp. Kara/Lena on the supergirl series.
Chloe comes across as so unstraight that when i saw the first movie as a kid i genuinely thought she was just really good friends with the shower boy 😂 i was so convinced that she was meant to be gay
It’s just sad and disappointing
I think the issue is fans shipping characters that defy the point of the story, and marketing teams exploiting this for a profit. Pitch Perfect is about gender, NOT sexuality so I think it's unfair to criticize the content of the films when it's the business executives and toxic fandom that's the issue. 99% of the time filmmakers have zero control over the marketing after all.
I’d only ever seen the first movie, so when I saw Bechloe stuff online I thought it was just usual 2010s era tumblr goggles/wishful thinking. I had no idea it got SO intense. That’s wild.
The casual biphobia with the "disappointed" thing because they hook up with men.
I genuinely think that the first movie didn't intend to queerbait at all, it's just showing a diverse group of girls in terms of personality (I know that the movie lacks representation, so I'm referring specifically to personalities) interacting with each other. Chloe is a very "girls girl", she's very feminine and cute, she probably grew up with a lot of girl friends, so she isn't bothered by being too close or intimate, she's also very affectionate. On the other hand, Becca is very closed off and is not used to having girl friends, so she is confused by Chloe's behavior a lot of times.
I also think that the movie is about female friendship and that they should've kept it that way, without trying to purposefully insinuate any sexual tension between straight characters. They could've made them bisexual or gay, but I don't think they should've been a couple either way, because I feel like these movies are centered around friendship and not so much about romance, and them being a couple would've turned the story into a romance. The 3rd movie is terrible and should've never existed, they didn't need romantic subplots.
im getting teen wolf flashbacks rn
This is a great video! You need more subs/views!
Honestly, they should’ve just done Bechloe. Then maybe someone would’ve watched that god awful movie lmao.
They were honestly so cute and I didn't hear about this until years later that people ship them and when I re-watch the movie I definitely see it. ❤😂😊
Okay I must be an idiot because I've seen all these movies but I had NO idea that this was a ship. But I can absolutely see it now. Your points on the queer baiting are valid. Knowing this now that they played up the ship but then made Chloe go with a dude is terrible.
My villain origin story
Supercorp was one of the biggest queerbaiting
Welp, I guess I understand know why I liked the first two movies and not the third when I was younger (before I knew I was gay lol) 😂
Came here after the announcement for Pitch Perfect 4! We might get our Bechloe endgame after all! 😁
Cruel is the correct word for what queer baiting is, and I'm terrified that Hollywood is going there again with Byler in stranger things. Wonderful video, you've gained a new subscriber :)
Straight woman here. Interesting video. I could definitely see where the camping “experimenting in college” scene was queerbaiting, and much more so than the shower scene. After all, nudity doesn’t have to be sexual.
i remember seeing the snapchat ad on the way to the cinema and i was SO excited for bechloe…
Side rant: I never shipped Dean/Sam, but after seeing a few people talk about the ship, I'm more sympathic. When taken from the lens of emotional incest and examined with this phenomenon in mind, you can see how their (canonically destructive) codependence can be viewed as blurring the lines between family and romantic. Dean made his life around protecting Sam, leaving him little beyond that relationship. Add his natural flirtation, and he crosses the line sometimes in a way fans can see as canonically incestuous. Then when Cas comes into the mix, you can see how Dean has trouble distinguishing between possible romance and a brotherly bond because his actual brotherly bond isn't healthy. And people in universe do think he and Sam are a married couple sometimes. Both actors for Sam and Dean have said they had to fight the writers on some scenes because it was too romantic for brothers, so with what we got I can only imagine what was cut.
I still don't ship it, but I can see how it wasn't pulled from nothing like I thought. I thought it was because fangirls gonna fangirl and there were only 2 characters to do that with until Cas showed up, but nah they have in world evidence.
i don't think i was ever aware of this marketing and queerbaiting honestly?? i mean i was a sophomore in high school and honestly dreaded the third movie coming out tbf. but cruel is definitely the right word. i think the movies always felt more than a little bit mean spirited but i couldn't have imagined anything even marginally close to this.
IVE WAITED YEARS FOR THIS
It is cruel. There's this hope every time they bait us... and then they pull it away like we're a bad dog who doesn't get the bone. And they keep doing it, and doing it, and now it's just made us cynical. On the other hand, queerbaiting is kind of a foot in the door to more representation. But on the other, it's cowardly and just heartbreaking for those of us yearning for just a little bit of representation. Thank you to The Owl House for giving us real representation that doesn't bait us.
Not all those characters in the Riverdale clip now being canonically LGBTQ
I’ve been a fan of this serie for years and I never thought there was anything between Backy and Cloe ((no idea how to write their names--))
This is one of the movies that really made me realise I am bi, and I'm still sad that they never dared to make a LGBT+ story line and kept on queerbating
I didn't notice the queerbaiting because I only ship fictional people 😅 it feels weird shipping physical actors characters.
It was upsetting that they made their blatant queer character assault someone for comedy though
That's what happens when you try to force a theme in a movie, rather than having it flow with the rest of the movie.
epi-tome 😭😭😭 oh thats great
I need bechloe to be a thing
Let's be real, every character Anna Kendrick plays is queer wether it's written that way or not.
I'm in the Trolls fandom and the main character (played by Anna) is not explicitly said to be queer and never has romantic implications with an other female character (the male lead becomes her boyfriend), but some people ship her with a female antagonist and are under the impression that she was attracted to her so I see it lmao
i started my shipping life with bechloe and karmy... i had some rough years
my thoughts as a gay man: if you wanna make it a running gag that two same sex friends are so close they seem like a couple, that's fine, in some instances I even like that, but including it in advertising when it's not even in the actual end product is where I'm grossed out. although the first Pitch Perfect is one of my favorite movies ever, it is disappointing how often they milk BeChloe only to give us nothing in the end. an even worse example I can think of is from one of my favorite TV shows ever Teen Wolf, so much queerbaiting in interviews and one off scenes and yet there was like two gay couples, one that only appeared in the finale and the other consisting of two boring nothing characters 🙄🙄🙄
8:05 ignoring everything else, but this joke right here was hilarious
The kiss did get leaked tho, thank gods ❤
They make me such a mess :(
The only LGBTQ way I could get a hold back of it.
Okay if no one is gonna say it I will it's Supercorp it is the heaviest queerbaiting I have ever seen and those aholes even ended the only after 6 seasons, the only show with almost all female cast where on the other hand flash is completing its 19th season. Wtf is wrong with CW let me tell u everything. They did the same with Zari and Charlie in Legends of Tmrw. A show with the most diverse cast in CW and they ended the show so abruptly.
Biggest queerbait that got to me was voltron legendary defender. They made ads that said " Meet Shiro's Fiancee Adam!" only to have one scene of them together in which they are arguing and it is said no where or shown no where that they are together, then they kill Adam off two minutes later. I was pissed as fuck over that shit.
Do you think you could talk about other wlw ships?, like Fraberry, SuperCorp and Jori
Thanks for covering this. I think creators who queer bait assume much of their audience who ships a queer couple is a bunch of crazed teenage girls. Even so, it’s still disrespectful.