Thanks for calling out the use case for this antenna. I am a tactical nerd and I'm solely focused on targeted local/regional communications for public service, emergencies in our county/state and if it ever comes to it--SHTF. I have been getting a lot of crap on my channel and email bag for selecting compromised gear and antennas (HF, VHF and UHF) for tactical applications. Everyone's mission objectives are different. Personally, DX is not for me. I am a ham only so that I can legally transmit on the air and train. It's less of a hobby and more of a means to an end. Lately, I have been spending a fair amount of time justifying my gear. The comments sections can get annoying. I am working on a tactical product offering and the tagline will be "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU". I am only partly joking, but it's true. Good video, Josh. Sorry about the rant.
I understand where you are coming from. I think too many aren’t looking at others, specifically what they are saying or asking objectively. They can’t get their own interests out of the way long enough to hear others.
Absolutely right and it's terrible! Most comments sections have turned into a war zone filled with NPC's! Local & regional communications for public service & emergencies is the name of the game here. If people haven't realized the current societal, political and world affairs situation - they're in serious trouble because things are going to get way worse before getting better!
I got into Ham Radio as a 2021 pandemic project after my brother and I asked the question: how would we communicate off grid and get to a central meeting point if things went crazy? (TX vs VA... Meet in AL) HRCC and Tech Prepper vids have helped us achieve that goal... Using an EmComm III. Since all three of you are in this thread, wanted to say thank you all for all you do.
Ignore the ignorant trolls! You are on a completely different path than I in life, but love your channel because of your passion and very thought out process in the way you do things. Just keep doing what you do!!!
Thanks for the shoutout! I really appreciate it. That, and the level headed review of this antenna. Most of the arguments online are missing the point. There is no snake oil, Chameleon isn't misrepresenting anything. This antenna is based on a military design with a specific purpose in mind. It also took me a while to wrap my head around the capabilities of the Tactical Dipole 2.0. I'm glad to hear you donated yours to an emcomm group that can use it. I'll keep exploring the capabilities and certainly do a follow up.
Thank you for this video and this antenna. They could really use this antenna in eastern Kentucky right . Also, in the Army we changed from a single frequency radio to a frequency hopping radio. You will need reasonancy on all bands just to accommodate such radios. Also, when you set up your antenna in a tactical environment, what you don't want to do is constantly breaking camouflage to run out and make adjustments to the antenna. That's a good way to be seen from the air or at a distance on the ground. Communications are prime military targets so remaining concealed is an imperative!
Good Video, Josh. I know stuff like this you have to compromise on how to explain it. as a retired Electronic/Computer Engineer/Tech (I've done it all in the old days1970s-1980s) you doing great! 100,000 Attaboys to you Josh.
Thanks for the video. No issues. I used to be in the Signal Corps 30 years ago, but we’re setting up for more of a node type. A bunch of nodes were a type of network. As a ham I’ve done more interesting things with antennas then I ever did back then. Again appreciate the video and explanation.
Well explained Josh, I appreciate the info on the design and application for that antenna.👍 Awesome that you donated it but you stole the awesome $150 bag!😄👍 I also dig that Military tactical pole and winch setup. Always nice to see new stuff and its designed purpose. Oh, you're getting Pro on the graphics too.👍🍻🤓
I totally agree. While I can understand that some people look at this antenna and get mad that its probably not that efficient because it has two big ol resistors slapped onto it, its about compromise. People seem to be upset by any compromised antenna but at the end of the day its based on the situation and needs. I am not sure I can defend that price point for what it is, but all the people that think its a glorified dummy load are not really coming from a place of thought or understanding, imo. (i understand that military equipment is expensive because its a different market but to me it still feels steep on the consumer side)
Well said. I think maybe reviewers either A. know only what they know or B. are hesitant to say an antenna is good for but not so good for a certain task. I wanted to get going with POTA. I wanted a multi-band antenna. There are soooo many good reviews on the WRC. I bought one. Went to Silver Springs State Park in FL. Setup my rig and failed two days in a row despite hours of trying with my new WRC antenna. I could barely hear any stations let alone get to them. I happened to bring my cobbled together first antenna build. A piece of PVC and some speaker wire cut for 20M. Bang! had pileups. I did some googling and found only one article referencing a vertical antenna and the low takeoff angle with obstructions and not a good unobstructed view of the sky. The only other person I've seen mention this (maybe I hadn't been paying attention) is G3OJV. At the park I had a bus sized RV 15ft away super dense foliage on all / ALL other sides of me and very thick canopy tree cover overhead. The article I read stated in thick foliage and depending on the moisture content a vertically polarized antenna has big problems in this environment. To the tune of like 10db or greater. Where horizontal wire antennas don't seem to mind being in that environment. My personal experiences would seem to support that. I've now used the WRC in a fairly open environment and it's as good as folks I've seen reviewing is say it is. I am a total noob and learning. Thus far I've learned lots from you, and folks like KB9VBR, K8MRD, etc, etc... and all the content is good. I realize people cannot fully test an antenna in all environments. I've now become aware of things now like what you've eluded to. An antenna is a compromise. Because I watched a video of it being successful chances are I can't just get one shipped to the house and expect it to perform as well or better. Being new I know there are differences in antennas but sometimes now how much difference there really is. They're tools. use the right tool for the job. You wouldn't use a hammer to drive a screw. Although you could you're not really using the screw or the hammer properly. A sincere thank you and others for doing these and other videos. I do credit your channel in particular getting me to get off my butt after 10 years and trading that Technician license in for a General. Thank you and 73 -KK4GMR
I have their MPAS 2.0. I use it more than I expected because it is fairly compact for an antenna that usable on 80m and even a decent sig on 160m. I run 100W CW with it usually, but have been able to check in stateside SSB nets on 160m with it.
Very good job explaining this particular antenna. I myself am not interested in DX but maintaining comms with certain special to me, persons. More of the military thought process than ham DXing. NOT putting down DXers, but not my mission.
Thanks Josh, sorry you have to take so much time to dance around the crap sad hams throw at you. I am in the process of building a terminated inverted v sloped to use for ALE so I appreciate you taking the time to show an antenna that’s in the same ball park that I’m playing in. Hang in and keep it up and please tell Carl we appreciate his efforts too😀
The antenna is awesome. The bags they send with the antennas suck. Both of mine fell apart with a week of purchase (stitching let go on one and zipper blew on the other). This dipole allowed me to get into Europe with 10 watts and no tuner. Its a pain to set up and requires quite a bit of space, but once its up, it is the truth.
You want tactical? I use an Alpha Antennas FMJ balun with a 29' solid copper wire up the side of my silver maple tree. You can not see it...and it is a beastly performer. Pricey, but effective.
Josh, I know this is unrelated to this video. Do you know of anything besides the Rfinder B1 that can load local repeaters as you travel. I drive 50-60k a year for work and would love a radio that knows where it is and has a repeater database.
#1 there is no perfect antenna. #2 the individual ham is responsible for his/her/its choice of antennas. #3 be informed on the variety of antennas and, if affordable, acquire two or more to suit your different tastes in hamming. Otherwise, as Yosemite Sam says, "Back Mister!"
Ok, here is feedback 😂 I viewed the video in order to get a impression of the performance of the antenna - and did not get much wiser. Lots of talk, arguing that the critics are wrong, expect something that the antenna is not created for - but no specifics on performance across bands. Still, think you saved me 450 USD, so thanks. When so much effort is used to argue against critics - the critics probably have a point. IF this is a short-medium, broadband antenna - sounds like a CHA LEFS is a cheaper option and faster to deploy ? (And ‘Carl’ is likely a Chameleon employee ?)
Great video and info Josh. Very well explained and you articulated facts perfectly...at least in my opinion. FWIW. Got my license when I was 16 and now I'm 65 (you do the math...it makes my brain hurt) so hopefully I can tell the difference between facts a B.S. Keep up the good work. Tim - K5DEZ
Tactics as opposed to strategy. Tactical refers to "in the field", whereas "strategy" refers to how those Tactical assets are deployed from a high level or command and control perspective.
i have a few chameleon antennas i like them. end feed 75-foot wire. on a 25foot mfj pole. and a mil whip 17 foot. i can take both antennas out in a field or in the woods and 10 or 15 min be on the air. no it not like a 3 or el beam or a 40 meter dipole up 50 feet, but it works very nice and fast. can play radio 2 or 3 hrs take it down in 10 or 15 min and go home. de n3reb
It should be noted that the vast majority of those making such arguments against a “field-expedient” antenna like those offered by Chameleon, are most likely not… ahem… “field-expedient”, and therefore don’t get the purpose thereof.
As someone in military radio communications, your observations are spot on. Often, military personnel with little to no training in HF radio are plopped down in front of an HF radio and told to use it. If it wasn't for ALE, they would be entirely worthless, and it would require that these radio be used ONLY by soldiers who have several MONTHS of training exclusively in how to use the HF band. Also, for all of the amateur Ham operators out there... oftentimes, a good DX antenna is exactly the opposite of what the tactical or operational conditions call for. The farther out a signal reaches into enemy territory, the more likely that the antenna tranmsitting it will be located by triangulation (see locating of German submarines in WW2 using the HF/DF networks), which can lead to IMMEDIATE equipment and personnel losses by artiller fire
I have purchased stuff from Chameleon and I find they provide a great product. Top notch/top tier stuff but you pay for that. You can get a bargain when they have a sale and I am always looking. I actually have the Tactical Dipole Light (TD-LIGHT) which is an earlier version without the terminating resistors. Have used it numerous times and it is still like new due to the great/heavy duty construction. 2 field days ago I used it and made 150 contacts in 2 hours so it works reasonably well. I also have the Chameleon 17' whip antenna. Way better than the MFJ-1979 for about the same price. So from my vantage point if I was just wanting something that would work out of the box with no messing about I would have no problem recommending stuff from Chameleon.
Don - With the CHA TD 2.0 you can remove the resistors which will create a CHA TD Lite like the one you currently have! The antenna will become omnidirectional when the resistors are removed.
Awe man that is nice. I have a chameleon loop so I know the quality and personal support they offer. Wow I wish I could figure out how to make this my primary antenna. I believe I have the space and location for it. Until then I will wish and dream. N3PPL
Ham Radio Crash Course Josh, so glad you defined "tactical". "Tactical" this and "tactical that gives me constant amusement. I've got my "tactical" back pack, my "tactical" CHA MPAS 2.0, my "tactical" knife, my "tactical" finger nail clipper,etc. Next I've got to get myself some Marine pattern camo skivvies. Only then can I be really cool! BTW: T-E-R-R-I-F-I-C video.... I had the previous iteration of the TD as a simpler albeit not as efficient HF antenna set up on my 65'x100" lot. I knew going in that it wouldn't perform like a resonant antenna. I was attempting, though, to get better performance than my 40M EFHW w/64:1 transformer. Result: no joy.I hasten to add NOT THE ANTENNA'S FAULT. I'm confident it would have perform just fine in the field as intended. So, another ham has it now and, hopefully is making good use of it. Because I already have the MPAS 2.0 for field use, the TD would have been just excess baggage. Anyway: my experience and remain a fan (and customer) of Chameleon. n6med, out ....
If I had sufficient real estate, I'd buy this antenna in a heartbeat. Good presentation and analysis. As usual. People that harp about the cost forget that for the most part, when you go Chameleon, you are getting dang near military grade equipment.
> military grade equipment Built by the lowest bidder? 🙂 I'm a little confused, why would you buy this if you had the space? The point of this antenna, is that it's not designed to a base station antenna, but a compromise antenna that can be setup in different ways depending on the conditions. It's not a good base station antenna, or POTA antenna, or SOTA antenna, and it's not meant to be.
@@Ardren a Barrett 50 cal rifle is military grade. The F22 raptor is military grade. There are things that are military grade that are absolutely excellent. Granted this is likely a niche product that won't serve many people, it still has its place.
@@Ardren Its not always about the lowest bidder, but which manufacturer can produce the item to meet the military's specifications with no serious drawbacks. I bought an Emcomm III and its very well built. If it were a military antenna I would expect the ABS plastic cord winder that holds the matching unit to be made of something more durable such as polycarbonate. As a multi band antenna it seems to work pretty well.
Chameleon Antennas makes great stuff. I own four of their antennas. My first Chameleon was the ECOMM III Portable EFHW, followed by the Lite Tactical Dipole (CHA LTD 160-6m), LEFS 40-10m, and the Tactical Delta Loop. The ECOMM III Portable EFHW, LEFS 40-10m and the Tactical Delta Loop is for portable operations. I plan on using the Delta Loop set up as a vertical for some DX chasing on my IC-7300. I do have the Lite Tactical Dipole hooked up to my IC-7300 as my base station antenna. I don't have a purpose or need to get the Tactical Dipole. But coming from Chameleon and having a lot of experience with their products, it's probably another great antenna from them like the other antennas they make. Chameleon put a lot of thought into their products. I'm sure it will scratch someone's itch for what the need. Now if they start making HT antennas, I'd probably buy some more of their products. 73, W4ISB Mike in Tennessee.
Good stuff. I saw KB9VBR’s review and was impressed. I was impressed even though I knew it wasn’t the antenna for me, or probably most hams. It fills a niche, and that is a large part of what ham radio is about, the ability to explore the nooks and cranny’s of radio communications. A lot of the comments criticized the antenna for what it wasn’t and didn’t pretend to be. That is not helpful to anyone. Me, I am happy to learn just a bit more about HF radio, the challenges other face, and how they solve the issues. This antenna looks rugged, easy to deploy, has multiple alternate configurations making it flexible, and performs well for what it is intended.
Very much appreciate the sentiment in this video; not all of us are chasing the furthest station etc. - some of us have friends/family and emcomm plans that fall into an area that an antenna like this would work much better. This kind of material helps me define what that might be - thanks!
I like that you make it clear that everything is a trade of. I happened to be in Reno NV visiting my sister, and saw Chameleon Antennas and decided to pay them a visit. I had a real nice visit and tour from John Miller. I bought a EMCOM II version 1. I figured it would come in handy when I go RVing. I set it up at home in a inverted L configuration. My radio tunes it all the way to 6 to 40 meters. As you say there is a tradeoff come paired to my fan dipole made for 40, 30, 20, 15 and 10 meters, the dipole works better. The Chameleon gives me 40, 20,17,15, 12 and 10 without an external tuner. I use both antennas at home do to not having much time to go RVing. Good Video as usual Josh. 73's Gary KF6EWO
Idk why people would be mad. It's just another antenna. This might be perfect for me. I'm primarily interested in talking to people in my state, family, and emcom. As a minimalist, I don't want 10 perfect antennas. I want 2 or 3 "good" ones.
Antennas are about the only thing left in ham radio that ordinary schmucks like me can make on their own or experiment with. Glad you got a chance to try this'n out. Stay safe & sane, amigo. 73 de W8IJN
Good video, Josh. I think it is over priced wire for the average ham. He certainly puts a high markup on its cost of materials. Typical defense contract pricing;-)
very good point - 1. all antennas are imperfect 2. multiband is a bigger compromise - there is no such thing as an efficient multiband antenna - well done - resonant antennas on the band you want to operate are the best option. However we all need to consider our needs, our available space/environment for an antenna and then get the best antenna / build the best antenna to suit your own individual constraints.
In current year, anything is tactical if you call it tactical. :3 I post this as I am enjoying a tactical pot pie with my titanium tactical spork for my tactical lunch. :3 I kid of course. Mostly.
Why is this antenna Tactical? Tactical.... What does that term even mean anymore. Tack that term on anything and you can charge an extra 15% at the very least. Just ran across an ad for a "Tactical" golf bag. Its even in desert tan with handy pockets, snaps and I think it even has some molle on it somewhere. $300. Sheesh....
I REALLY appreciate your last bit about the divergence of ham and tac comms. Ive tried to illustrate it hat point for years but many just dint understand. You did a fantastic job illustrating one of the many differences in "playing ham" and tactical communications.
I agree that this is a great antenna for specific purposes, and that most hams don't have that need. One potential broadband use for me is if I finally put that kiwi SDR on the air, but that would be 1. receive only, so this particular antenna's power handling is over kill; and 2. it would be a (relatively) permanent installation, so I might do better rolling my own TCCM (terminated coaxial cage monopole) receive only variant. Contrary to many folk's views, efficiency is still important on receive, but the kiwi can be listening on multiple frequencies, including non-ham frequencies, so broadband may trump efficiency for the kiwi. But it's certainly true that this antenna has niches, even in Ham radio. I do love Chameleon antennas. Most of the time the only HF antenna that I have up is their EMCOMM-II, a bit low, but that makes it work for NVIS, and still, I've worked coast to coast (NH to San Diego) on it, back during the last solar minimum. I think that it's another good choice for something to throw into the trunk for a road trip, when you don't know what bands you might want to use (I've used it 160m through 10m, with an LDG Z-11Pro II at 100W - no power consumption when not tuning). Sure, a linked dipole might be more efficient, but as a fat old man with a bad back, I don't really want to lower the antenna to change links every time I want to change bands. Welcome to the post COVID club. I'm happy to see you looking well. 73, KE1G
Loved the way you danced around all of the mines in the minefield Josh! Well done Sir! Starting point, every antenna is a compromise. Introduce various circumstances and needs, and if you know the capabilities and limitations of any one antenna, then, you are prepared to make the call on when and where you would choose to use it. 73 - KF6IF
Very good explanation. One other aspect of the “field expedient”: usable by people with limited training, to get a job done. The Chameleon manuals are written with clear directions to get it up and running.
Great review! Explaining the capabilities and limitations of this antenna helped me. I think this is the style antenna I would need for my setup. Totally dig the channel! Keep it up!
Your right on point with this video and I have both antennas. One is for DX which is designed and tuned for specific bands but it purpose is for DX. The other is for emcomm which is not tuned but can go 160 to 6 and designed for NVIS but needs a tuner.
I have to agree. This antenna is designed for "Tactical" applications such as emergency communications for close in contacts. In short, when looking for antenna, pick the one designed for the application whether it's for DXing or NVIS. As Hams, being informed on antennas and how they are applied, gives us information that we can pass along to new Hams so that they don't go out and buy an antenna that doesn't fit their need which can possibly save them from buyer's remorse.
The antenna is the most important part of a station. I see newcomers (and oldcomers) get duped by “miracle” antennas all the time. It’s painful trying to get people on the air with a new install when they bought a crap antenna. Antenna education is the key! Knowing what direction your antenna radiation is going is critical!
I liked the video. I understand the use-case for that type of antenna. I looked at building a terminated wire antenna a few years ago, but those non-inductive resistors at the wattage needed, are not inexpensive.
If you think those are expensive, you should see the dedicated NVIS kit from Harris for military HF radios. As an army signal corp soldier, i'm sure it's quite overpriced at $5000, for what looks like 4 of those resistors, a coax connector, a PVC pole with a metalized exterior, 5 grounding stakes, 4 coated wire antenna elements, and a balun.
I think you did a great job of explaining why 98% of all hams would not want or need this antenna. Yes, if your the military or using ALE, it might be an option. I have a couple of great multi band antennas that can be used in the same way this antenna is used. A linked dipole and an End Fed Half Wave. It cost me about $50.00 to make them. I don't need a backpack to carry them and they will do everything this antenna does, only better. Thanks Josh, I get what you are saying. Overall, I don't care for the approx.12 db loss of signal that comes with any of Chameleon's antennas that use the 5 to 1 transformer. Keep up the good work.
Paint something green/beige/camo, put the word "Tactical" in the product name and then charge through the nose for it knowing that the Preppers will buy it by the truckload.
Your content is always top notch. I don't know what video equipment you are using while in the shack, but ohh boy it is super nice to watch. So clean and crisp, you seem like you could reach through the screen. de KW4LU
Carl at Chameleon Antennas told me he made a coupon code “HRCC15” for 15% off a CHA-TD. Coupon valid though August.
Thanks for calling out the use case for this antenna. I am a tactical nerd and I'm solely focused on targeted local/regional communications for public service, emergencies in our county/state and if it ever comes to it--SHTF. I have been getting a lot of crap on my channel and email bag for selecting compromised gear and antennas (HF, VHF and UHF) for tactical applications. Everyone's mission objectives are different. Personally, DX is not for me. I am a ham only so that I can legally transmit on the air and train. It's less of a hobby and more of a means to an end. Lately, I have been spending a fair amount of time justifying my gear. The comments sections can get annoying. I am working on a tactical product offering and the tagline will be "THIS IS NOT FOR YOU". I am only partly joking, but it's true. Good video, Josh. Sorry about the rant.
I understand where you are coming from. I think too many aren’t looking at others, specifically what they are saying or asking objectively. They can’t get their own interests out of the way long enough to hear others.
Absolutely right and it's terrible! Most comments sections have turned into a war zone filled with NPC's! Local & regional communications for public service & emergencies is the name of the game here. If people haven't realized the current societal, political and world affairs situation - they're in serious trouble because things are going to get way worse before getting better!
@@Chameleon_Antenna Well said, brother.
I got into Ham Radio as a 2021 pandemic project after my brother and I asked the question: how would we communicate off grid and get to a central meeting point if things went crazy? (TX vs VA... Meet in AL)
HRCC and Tech Prepper vids have helped us achieve that goal... Using an EmComm III. Since all three of you are in this thread, wanted to say thank you all for all you do.
Ignore the ignorant trolls! You are on a completely different path than I in life, but love your channel because of your passion and very thought out process in the way you do things. Just keep doing what you do!!!
Thanks for the shoutout! I really appreciate it. That, and the level headed review of this antenna. Most of the arguments online are missing the point. There is no snake oil, Chameleon isn't misrepresenting anything. This antenna is based on a military design with a specific purpose in mind. It also took me a while to wrap my head around the capabilities of the Tactical Dipole 2.0. I'm glad to hear you donated yours to an emcomm group that can use it. I'll keep exploring the capabilities and certainly do a follow up.
100% Michael. Thanks for what you do!
Thank you for this video and this antenna. They could really use this antenna in eastern Kentucky right .
Also, in the Army we changed from a single frequency radio to a frequency hopping radio. You will need reasonancy on all bands just to accommodate such radios. Also, when you set up your antenna in a tactical environment, what you don't want to do is constantly breaking camouflage to run out and make adjustments to the antenna. That's a good way to be seen from the air or at a distance on the ground. Communications are prime military targets so remaining concealed is an imperative!
Military HF radios don't use freq hopping, but they do use ALE, which also requires rapid frequency switching up and down the band.
@@akulkis I was referring to our platoon FM radios. Sorry
Good Video, Josh. I know stuff like this you have to compromise on how to explain it. as a retired Electronic/Computer Engineer/Tech (I've done it all in the old days1970s-1980s) you doing great! 100,000 Attaboys to you Josh.
Thank you!!
A 40-meter dipole is about 66' long, not 120'-130'.
Thanks for the video. No issues. I used to be in the Signal Corps 30 years ago, but we’re setting up for more of a node type. A bunch of nodes were a type of network. As a ham I’ve done more interesting things with antennas then I ever did back then. Again appreciate the video and explanation.
Well explained Josh, I appreciate the info on the design and application for that antenna.👍
Awesome that you donated it but you stole the awesome $150 bag!😄👍
I also dig that Military tactical pole and winch setup. Always nice to see new stuff and its designed purpose. Oh, you're getting Pro on the graphics too.👍🍻🤓
I totally agree. While I can understand that some people look at this antenna and get mad that its probably not that efficient because it has two big ol resistors slapped onto it, its about compromise. People seem to be upset by any compromised antenna but at the end of the day its based on the situation and needs. I am not sure I can defend that price point for what it is, but all the people that think its a glorified dummy load are not really coming from a place of thought or understanding, imo.
(i understand that military equipment is expensive because its a different market but to me it still feels steep on the consumer side)
Well said. I think maybe reviewers either A. know only what they know or B. are hesitant to say an antenna is good for but not so good for a certain task. I wanted to get going with POTA. I wanted a multi-band antenna. There are soooo many good reviews on the WRC. I bought one. Went to Silver Springs State Park in FL. Setup my rig and failed two days in a row despite hours of trying with my new WRC antenna. I could barely hear any stations let alone get to them. I happened to bring my cobbled together first antenna build. A piece of PVC and some speaker wire cut for 20M. Bang! had pileups. I did some googling and found only one article referencing a vertical antenna and the low takeoff angle with obstructions and not a good unobstructed view of the sky. The only other person I've seen mention this (maybe I hadn't been paying attention) is G3OJV. At the park I had a bus sized RV 15ft away super dense foliage on all / ALL other sides of me and very thick canopy tree cover overhead. The article I read stated in thick foliage and depending on the moisture content a vertically polarized antenna has big problems in this environment. To the tune of like 10db or greater. Where horizontal wire antennas don't seem to mind being in that environment. My personal experiences would seem to support that. I've now used the WRC in a fairly open environment and it's as good as folks I've seen reviewing is say it is. I am a total noob and learning. Thus far I've learned lots from you, and folks like KB9VBR, K8MRD, etc, etc... and all the content is good. I realize people cannot fully test an antenna in all environments. I've now become aware of things now like what you've eluded to. An antenna is a compromise. Because I watched a video of it being successful chances are I can't just get one shipped to the house and expect it to perform as well or better. Being new I know there are differences in antennas but sometimes now how much difference there really is. They're tools. use the right tool for the job. You wouldn't use a hammer to drive a screw. Although you could you're not really using the screw or the hammer properly. A sincere thank you and others for doing these and other videos. I do credit your channel in particular getting me to get off my butt after 10 years and trading that Technician license in for a General. Thank you and 73 -KK4GMR
My general recommendation is to always test equipment at home where you can tweak and work on it. Doing things in the field is always stressful.
I have their MPAS 2.0. I use it more than I expected because it is fairly compact for an antenna that usable on 80m and even a decent sig on 160m. I run 100W CW with it usually, but have been able to check in stateside SSB nets on 160m with it.
As someone who is interested in ham radio specifically for preparedness, emcom is compelling.
Just as the antenna scratches a particular itch, so does this video. Very good job. I learned much at a time when my interests are changing.
Very good job explaining this particular antenna. I myself am not interested in DX but maintaining comms with certain special to me, persons. More of the military thought process than ham DXing. NOT putting down DXers, but not my mission.
Thanks Josh, sorry you have to take so much time to dance around the crap sad hams throw at you. I am in the process of building a terminated inverted v sloped to use for ALE so I appreciate you taking the time to show an antenna that’s in the same ball park that I’m playing in. Hang in and keep it up and please tell Carl we appreciate his efforts too😀
What Sad Ham crap?
Great video! Accurate portrayal of the antenna and its use case. Keep up the great work Josh.
Great video as always. Thanks Josh!
Military ALE is mostly hardware based, although more software programs are being used for MARS and others .
Dude! We want B-roll, even if you are suffering and are a super spreader. Mission first! :)
I wish the Mpas bag actually held the antenna :/ anyone know of a bag that does? I might go to a custom sewing place and have them make me one.
The antenna is awesome. The bags they send with the antennas suck. Both of mine fell apart with a week of purchase (stitching let go on one and zipper blew on the other).
This dipole allowed me to get into Europe with 10 watts and no tuner. Its a pain to set up and requires quite a bit of space, but once its up, it is the truth.
You want tactical? I use an Alpha Antennas FMJ balun with a 29' solid copper wire up the side of my silver maple tree. You can not see it...and it is a beastly performer.
Pricey, but effective.
Generally tactical doesn’t imply vertical antennas to me.
Josh, I know this is unrelated to this video. Do you know of anything besides the Rfinder B1 that can load local repeaters as you travel. I drive 50-60k a year for work and would love a radio that knows where it is and has a repeater database.
Great video. But toward the end when you mentioned hammers...which would be more wide banded? Tack hammer or framing?? lol. Keep up the the good work!
I am a virgin, and I just want to figure out what is/are the best anteni to use for SDR listening.
Thank you.
#1 there is no perfect antenna. #2 the individual ham is responsible for his/her/its choice of antennas. #3 be informed on the variety of antennas and, if affordable, acquire two or more to suit your different tastes in hamming. Otherwise, as Yosemite Sam says, "Back Mister!"
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I viewed the video in order to get a impression of the performance of the antenna - and did not get much wiser. Lots of talk, arguing that the critics are wrong, expect something that the antenna is not created for - but no specifics on performance across bands. Still, think you saved me 450 USD, so thanks. When so much effort is used to argue against critics - the critics probably have a point. IF this is a short-medium, broadband antenna - sounds like a CHA LEFS is a cheaper option and faster to deploy ? (And ‘Carl’ is likely a Chameleon employee ?)
Preach! Well said. 73s W3EJE
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Great video and info Josh. Very well explained and you articulated facts perfectly...at least in my opinion. FWIW. Got my license when I was 16 and now I'm 65 (you do the math...it makes my brain hurt) so hopefully I can tell the difference between facts a B.S. Keep up the good work.
Tim - K5DEZ
Tactical is a word without meaning anymore.
Lol, I gave the meaning at the beginning.
Tactics as opposed to strategy. Tactical refers to "in the field", whereas "strategy" refers to how those Tactical assets are deployed from a high level or command and control perspective.
i have a few chameleon antennas i like them. end feed 75-foot wire. on a 25foot mfj pole. and a mil whip 17 foot. i can take both antennas out in a field or in the woods and 10 or 15 min be on the air. no it not like a 3 or el beam or a 40 meter dipole up 50 feet, but it works very nice and fast. can play radio 2 or 3 hrs take it down in 10 or 15 min and go home. de n3reb
It should be noted that the vast majority of those making such arguments against a “field-expedient” antenna like those offered by Chameleon, are most likely not… ahem… “field-expedient”, and therefore don’t get the purpose thereof.
As someone in military radio communications, your observations are spot on. Often, military personnel with little to no training in HF radio are plopped down in front of an HF radio and told to use it. If it wasn't for ALE, they would be entirely worthless, and it would require that these radio be used ONLY by soldiers who have several MONTHS of training exclusively in how to use the HF band.
Also, for all of the amateur Ham operators out there... oftentimes, a good DX antenna is exactly the opposite of what the tactical or operational conditions call for. The farther out a signal reaches into enemy territory, the more likely that the antenna tranmsitting it will be located by triangulation (see locating of German submarines in WW2 using the HF/DF networks), which can lead to IMMEDIATE equipment and personnel losses by artiller fire
Tactical a word used as an excuse to charge more money for the product😆😆😆😆😆😆
I have purchased stuff from Chameleon and I find they provide a great product. Top notch/top tier stuff but you pay for that. You can get a bargain when they have a sale and I am always looking. I actually have the Tactical Dipole Light (TD-LIGHT) which is an earlier version without the terminating resistors. Have used it numerous times and it is still like new due to the great/heavy duty construction. 2 field days ago I used it and made 150 contacts in 2 hours so it works reasonably well.
I also have the Chameleon 17' whip antenna. Way better than the MFJ-1979 for about the same price. So from my vantage point if I was just wanting something that would work out of the box with no messing about I would have no problem recommending stuff from Chameleon.
Don - With the CHA TD 2.0 you can remove the resistors which will create a CHA TD Lite like the one you currently have! The antenna will become omnidirectional when the resistors are removed.
Awe man that is nice. I have a chameleon loop so I know the quality and personal support they offer. Wow I wish I could figure out how to make this my primary antenna. I believe I have the space and location for it. Until then I will wish and dream.
N3PPL
Ham Radio Crash Course Josh, so glad you defined "tactical".
"Tactical" this and "tactical that gives me constant amusement. I've got my "tactical" back pack, my "tactical" CHA MPAS 2.0, my "tactical" knife, my "tactical" finger nail clipper,etc. Next I've got to get myself some Marine pattern camo skivvies. Only then can I be really cool!
BTW: T-E-R-R-I-F-I-C video....
I had the previous iteration of the TD as a simpler albeit not as efficient HF antenna set up on my 65'x100" lot. I knew going in that it wouldn't perform like a resonant antenna. I was attempting, though, to get better performance than my 40M EFHW w/64:1 transformer. Result: no joy.I hasten to add NOT THE ANTENNA'S FAULT. I'm confident it would have perform just fine in the field as intended. So, another ham has it now and, hopefully is making good use of it. Because I already have the MPAS 2.0 for field use, the TD would have been just excess baggage.
Anyway: my experience and remain a fan (and customer) of Chameleon.
n6med, out ....
If I had sufficient real estate, I'd buy this antenna in a heartbeat. Good presentation and analysis. As usual. People that harp about the cost forget that for the most part, when you go Chameleon, you are getting dang near military grade equipment.
> military grade equipment
Built by the lowest bidder? 🙂
I'm a little confused, why would you buy this if you had the space? The point of this antenna, is that it's not designed to a base station antenna, but a compromise antenna that can be setup in different ways depending on the conditions. It's not a good base station antenna, or POTA antenna, or SOTA antenna, and it's not meant to be.
@@Ardren a Barrett 50 cal rifle is military grade. The F22 raptor is military grade. There are things that are military grade that are absolutely excellent.
Granted this is likely a niche product that won't serve many people, it still has its place.
@@Ardren Its not always about the lowest bidder, but which manufacturer can produce the item to meet the military's specifications with no serious drawbacks. I bought an Emcomm III and its very well built. If it were a military antenna I would expect the ABS plastic cord winder that holds the matching unit to be made of something more durable such as polycarbonate. As a multi band antenna it seems to work pretty well.
This kit is nearly identical to what Harris PRC-152 HF band radios are issued with.
@@Ardren Harris is hardly the lowest bidder. In fact, as an engineer, I think most of it's overpriced, EVEN for military stuff.
Nice! I just picked up this antenna recently too for POTA/SOTA. Stoked to see you review it.
24:06 Consider That! - Wow... you mean somebody should take the time to understand the other persons viewpoint on social media?
Hah! Right?!
Looking at the comments Randy is right, the world is full of sad HAM's.
Chameleon Antennas makes great stuff. I own four of their antennas. My first Chameleon was the ECOMM III Portable EFHW, followed by the Lite Tactical Dipole (CHA LTD 160-6m), LEFS 40-10m, and the Tactical Delta Loop.
The ECOMM III Portable EFHW, LEFS 40-10m and the Tactical Delta Loop is for portable operations. I plan on using the Delta Loop set up as a vertical for some DX chasing on my IC-7300. I do have the Lite Tactical Dipole hooked up to my IC-7300 as my base station antenna.
I don't have a purpose or need to get the Tactical Dipole. But coming from Chameleon and having a lot of experience with their products, it's probably another great antenna from them like the other antennas they make. Chameleon put a lot of thought into their products. I'm sure it will scratch someone's itch for what the need. Now if they start making HT antennas, I'd probably buy some more of their products.
73, W4ISB
Mike in Tennessee.
I feel that I should jokingly add a *mumble mumble harrumph* without explaining why. 😉
This antenna uses the 'universal wideband matching' technique. In other words, anything fed trough a 3dB attenuator will have SWR less than 2:1.
Thanks Josh. I think you hammered it. 😇
lol, Josh saying “aiyah!” 😁
A bit of my wife’s side of the family coming out on that one
Good stuff. I saw KB9VBR’s review and was impressed. I was impressed even though I knew it wasn’t the antenna for me, or probably most hams. It fills a niche, and that is a large part of what ham radio is about, the ability to explore the nooks and cranny’s of radio communications. A lot of the comments criticized the antenna for what it wasn’t and didn’t pretend to be. That is not helpful to anyone. Me, I am happy to learn just a bit more about HF radio, the challenges other face, and how they solve the issues. This antenna looks rugged, easy to deploy, has multiple alternate configurations making it flexible, and performs well for what it is intended.
Very much appreciate the sentiment in this video; not all of us are chasing the furthest station etc. - some of us have friends/family and emcomm plans that fall into an area that an antenna like this would work much better. This kind of material helps me define what that might be - thanks!
Great video! I use the Emcomm-II at home and the MPAS for camping. Chameleon makes great antennas.
I like that you make it clear that everything is a trade of. I happened to be in Reno NV visiting my sister,
and saw Chameleon Antennas and decided to pay them a visit. I had a real nice visit and tour from
John Miller. I bought a EMCOM II version 1. I figured it would come in handy when I go RVing. I
set it up at home in a inverted L configuration. My radio tunes it all the way to 6 to 40 meters.
As you say there is a tradeoff come paired to my fan dipole made for 40, 30, 20, 15 and 10 meters,
the dipole works better. The Chameleon gives me 40, 20,17,15, 12 and 10 without an external tuner.
I use both antennas at home do to not having much time to go RVing.
Good Video as usual Josh. 73's Gary KF6EWO
great piece! i also enjoy michaels KB9VBR videos
Idk why people would be mad. It's just another antenna. This might be perfect for me. I'm primarily interested in talking to people in my state, family, and emcom. As a minimalist, I don't want 10 perfect antennas. I want 2 or 3 "good" ones.
Antennas are about the only thing left in ham radio that ordinary schmucks like me can make on their own or experiment with. Glad you got a chance to try this'n out. Stay safe & sane, amigo. 73 de W8IJN
Good video, Josh. I think it is over priced wire for the average ham. He certainly puts a high markup on its cost of materials. Typical defense contract pricing;-)
very good point - 1. all antennas are imperfect 2. multiband is a bigger compromise - there is no such thing as an efficient multiband antenna - well done - resonant antennas on the band you want to operate are the best option. However we all need to consider our needs, our available space/environment for an antenna and then get the best antenna / build the best antenna to suit your own individual constraints.
Cool on Hamnation.. have not watched their feeds for a while but will have to give it a go again... Please let us know when you are going to be on!
Excellent video Josh. Keep up the great videos! 73
Hi very nice i like it and good instrution if you want a DX antenna try built it and use it for the ones who does not like it,again many thanks
Nuts! Shoulda made the one-hour drive.
Watch2End&Comment
Great video! There is indeed no free lunch.
Tacticool?
In current year, anything is tactical if you call it tactical. :3
I post this as I am enjoying a tactical pot pie with my titanium tactical spork for my tactical lunch. :3
I kid of course. Mostly.
TY YA $450 is way out there > ill have to find something else ty
Why is this antenna Tactical? Tactical.... What does that term even mean anymore. Tack that term on anything and you can charge an extra 15% at the very least. Just ran across an ad for a "Tactical" golf bag. Its even in desert tan with handy pockets, snaps and I think it even has some molle on it somewhere. $300. Sheesh....
Golf bags are tactical when I can carry my hybrid clubs and my M1a
Vinton county?!? I lived there when I went to college. Work be damned, is have made the trek South if I knew you were there. 😭
It was Save Canterburry’s The Gathering!
I REALLY appreciate your last bit about the divergence of ham and tac comms. Ive tried to illustrate it hat point for years but many just dint understand. You did a fantastic job illustrating one of the many differences in "playing ham" and tactical communications.
I agree that this is a great antenna for specific purposes, and that most hams don't have that need. One potential broadband use for me is if I finally put that kiwi SDR on the air, but that would be 1. receive only, so this particular antenna's power handling is over kill; and 2. it would be a (relatively) permanent installation, so I might do better rolling my own TCCM (terminated coaxial cage monopole) receive only variant. Contrary to many folk's views, efficiency is still important on receive, but the kiwi can be listening on multiple frequencies, including non-ham frequencies, so broadband may trump efficiency for the kiwi.
But it's certainly true that this antenna has niches, even in Ham radio.
I do love Chameleon antennas. Most of the time the only HF antenna that I have up is their EMCOMM-II, a bit low, but that makes it work for NVIS, and still, I've worked coast to coast (NH to San Diego) on it, back during the last solar minimum. I think that it's another good choice for something to throw into the trunk for a road trip, when you don't know what bands you might want to use (I've used it 160m through 10m, with an LDG Z-11Pro II at 100W - no power consumption when not tuning). Sure, a linked dipole might be more efficient, but as a fat old man with a bad back, I don't really want to lower the antenna to change links every time I want to change bands.
Welcome to the post COVID club. I'm happy to see you looking well.
73, KE1G
Loved the way you danced around all of the mines in the minefield Josh! Well done Sir! Starting point, every antenna is a compromise. Introduce various circumstances and needs, and if you know the capabilities and limitations of any one antenna, then, you are prepared to make the call on when and where you would choose to use it. 73 - KF6IF
Very good explanation. One other aspect of the “field expedient”: usable by people with limited training, to get a job done. The Chameleon manuals are written with clear directions to get it up and running.
Great review!
Explaining the capabilities and limitations of this antenna helped me. I think this is the style antenna I would need for my setup.
Totally dig the channel! Keep it up!
Your right on point with this video and I have both antennas. One is for DX which is designed and tuned for specific bands but it purpose is for DX. The other is for emcomm which is not tuned but can go 160 to 6 and designed for NVIS but needs a tuner.
I have to agree. This antenna is designed for "Tactical" applications such as emergency communications for close in contacts. In short, when looking for antenna, pick the one designed for the application whether it's for DXing or NVIS. As Hams, being informed on antennas and how they are applied, gives us information that we can pass along to new Hams so that they don't go out and buy an antenna that doesn't fit their need which can possibly save them from buyer's remorse.
The antenna is the most important part of a station. I see newcomers (and oldcomers) get duped by “miracle” antennas all the time. It’s painful trying to get people on the air with a new install when they bought a crap antenna. Antenna education is the key! Knowing what direction your antenna radiation is going is critical!
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I liked the video. I understand the use-case for that type of antenna. I looked at building a terminated wire antenna a few years ago, but those non-inductive resistors at the wattage needed, are not inexpensive.
If you think those are expensive, you should see the dedicated NVIS kit from Harris for military HF radios. As an army signal corp soldier, i'm sure it's quite overpriced at $5000, for what looks like 4 of those resistors, a coax connector, a PVC pole with a metalized exterior, 5 grounding stakes, 4 coated wire antenna elements, and a balun.
I think you did a great job of explaining why 98% of all hams would not want or need this antenna. Yes, if your the military or using ALE, it might be an option. I have a couple of great multi band antennas that can be used in the same way this antenna is used. A linked dipole and an End Fed Half Wave. It cost me about $50.00 to make them. I don't need a backpack to carry them and they will do everything this antenna does, only better. Thanks Josh, I get what you are saying. Overall, I don't care for the approx.12 db loss of signal that comes with any of Chameleon's antennas that use the 5 to 1 transformer. Keep up the good work.
Paint something green/beige/camo, put the word "Tactical" in the product name and then charge through the nose for it knowing that the Preppers will buy it by the truckload.
A "sad ham comment" like NOTARUBICON would say on his channel! LOL
Your content is always top notch. I don't know what video equipment you are using while in the shack, but ohh boy it is super nice to watch. So clean and crisp, you seem like you could reach through the screen. de KW4LU