My coach was trained by Filimonov and I do seminars with him, the real magic of the soviet style is not really what people see in the pros. They have put together a system to build boxers from the ground up, that's a real school of boxing. Out of 100 young boxers, the soviet system can get mist of them very good and the mist talented will rise up but they would have done it in most areas of the world. Alì would have been great in any time. Most of the other boxing systems I know are a meatgrinder, the lower level practitioners even function as heavy bags for the most talented ones. The soviet system is the best blueprint for a green boxer, if you watch usyk and lomachenko i the amateurs they all fought like a generic soviet boxer, almost a carbon copy. Then they specialize as they get to the next level of competition. One of the reasons why they soviets could develop a universal system is communism, they had regular meetings and a lot of cooperation amongst each other. All the eastern block systems and Cuba come from that soviet root.
Im russian, and in most of the boxing gyms here "are a meatgrinder, the lower level practitioners even function as heavy bags for the most talented ones". Its true.
@@W1LDtracer I'm Italian, and most people here don't eat according to the Mediterranean diet. That is the essence of the Soviet system, you have schools like Frolov's who follow it and produce high level amateurs, and schools where the coach is a meathead who makes people spar until they have no teeth. Just like not all powerlifting gyms in Russia have someone who follows Sheiko's methodology. I don't have a stereotyped vision of Russia that's black and white. For example, as manly as many Russian fighters are, I know it's full of femboys while people think everybody in Russia trains in the snow with their pet bear.
I call BS. Lomachenko as an amateur fought the way Lomachenko fights. He and Usyk are both south paws, the Soviet school never had a good system for southpaws. Lomachenko and Usyk are both the products of Anatoly Lomanchenko's training system which he specifically built around and for his son. Usyk came along when he as a teen came to boxing camps in Lomachenko's gym and then later when Lomachenko senior trained the national team. Now, about communism. Communism is a garbage and even more importantly fascist ideology which has nothing to do with boxing. Communism has killed more people than any other ideology in history. Moreover, communists mostly killed their own citizens unlike other inhumane ideologies. China has had communism for many years and it never created a good boxing system, so no. That just complete nonsense.
@@leobender2910 The segment about communism is just hilarious, you should google what a strawman argument is because you argue with something I never said :) you need to have order in your own mind before you open your mouth :) I'm sure people with an IQ that's at least average understood what I said. You don't belong in a debate, sorry :)
@@ddwfwnot only that. Imagine how many people are victims to Big Pharma, Tobacco industries, Food Industrie, wars in the name of democracy? Everything just to make more profit. Every ideology produces corpses, just in different ways!
Key Elements of Russian Style: #1 Fighting out of a Rhythm: Bouncing in and out of the "Pocket" #2 Long Connor McGregor Guard: Front arm extended #3 Noodle Arms enabling loose Nick Diaz Power and Casting Looping Punches The Russian Olympic Boxing Team created a weighted shadowboxing regimen. 3, 3 minute rounds, one minute rest in between, first and third empty hand, second round with weights....
I think Bivol returns to Russian style against Artur and whoops his azz clearly. In fight 1 Bivol was overly lateral and wasted a buncha energy with all of that movement
@@damanij9747Maybe to get used to the attrition game in the mid rounds. Stay fast and aggressive in the early and ending stages, technical and efficient in the middle.
yayyyy he finally made a video on soviet style boxing people. For the past few days I have been extremely fascinated by the Soviet style Boxing style and I wanted to know what they do differently for their punches to look differently then other styles.
yea bro I suggest looking up past fighters because soviet style is trash it gets beats nonstop having bivol doesn't mean the style is good when all of eastern europe does that shit. They have thousands of thousands of fighters training that and they only produced bivol and usky(slow fat heavyweight division.). This style cant win at lower weight classes they cant produce a champion. Lomachenko is their best product at lower weight classes and lost multiple times.
@@loveoutubevids Yeah but there is much nuance man I don't even know where to start. Just beginning to box I don't have a base yet so I wanna learn good technique. And I don't really plan to go pro and shit but I still want my boxing to be effective and translate to MMA so I can spar with my big brother. Might wanna recommend me some starting youtube channels.
@@ZOOC-iz1fq Look up joe louis for you to only be starting now to achieve bivol level is damn near impossible. I'm not saying you can achieve joe louis level either, but he is very technical and fought 15 rounders with 5 oz gloves and was a more slow and steady type of guy. Guys you should look up tape on. Joe louis sugar ray Robinson, sugar ray Leonard, Mike McCullum, South paw fighters-Marvin Hagler, Micheal Moore, adonis Stevenson. All of these guys have highlights on TH-cam I'm not saying these guys are the best of the best, but I'm saying these guys are high iq fighters that were taught by trainers no longer with us who were hall of fame trainers and beat other hall of fame trainers. Also look up floyd patterson and see how much faster he was than tyson he was also trained by cus.
Very interesting. Now it makes sense why you see so many ex-soviet boxers who have phenomenal stamina. It's due to their relaxed, highly efficient punching style.
Посмотрите на пложение головы в пространстве у советских боксеров это постоянно движущаяся и смещающаяся цель ,в которую трудно попасть и на которой трудно сконцентрироваться .
Loma and Usyk use Tyson's lead foot shuffle because Poppa Loma loved it and drilled it into them. Talking Soviet Style with either of those 2 is a bit silly but some are doing it in the comments. One of my coaches told me 20-25 years ago that the Soviets would eventually take over the pros because of their feet, he never mentioned wavy punching. I'll definitely look into it more. My wife can translate the books for me if they don't have English versions
This is fascinating because chinese kung fu has styles that generate power in very particular ways that you have to be guided in stringently by a qualified sifu in order to be able to preform much like this. Sadly the combat sport aspect of chinese kung fu suffered two mass extinction events (boxer's rebellion, mao etc) coupled with the fact that back when it was a combat sport (well, not really a sport people would literally come to see guys get their heads lopped off with those big chinese halbreds atop a wooden podium) the different lineages safe guarded their techniques from each other so the enemy would not know what they were up against, modern competitive sports also do this to win, and so a lot of it was not written down, so when a lot of the best sifu's and fighters went down by gun fire in the boxer's rebellion, so much of that sporting context (despite often being to the death) was made extinct.
So this pretty much leaves guys interest in Chinese martial arts in much the same shoes as the guys trying to figure out medieval weapons combat. We still have manuals from back then but the living lineage of instruction from master to student also went extinct.
That's a shame. It makes complete sense though. I've always wondered why there aren't really many good kung fu fighters, as far as taking on other martial artists.
Makes me wonder about how good they got during the period when all those system forces were at play. Some truly amazing fighters must have risen to the top.
@@ryanlynch290 Zhang Weili and Zabit Magomedsharipov are good examples of talented Sanda (Chinese kickboxing, which is basically Kung Fu) fighters in UFC.
Hello buddy :-) I cant claim to have seen much of the legendary fedor in his prime, but i do have a question to your statement, that i hope you might be able to answer :) Fedor might have practiced the soviet style, in part at least, but once he saw a chance of a decisive intervention, fedor most often took it and went for a potentially fight ending move, didnt he?
Don't know about you, but I'm really looking forward to the next fight between Beterbiev & Bivol. Two absolute masters and generational fighters going at it! I think Beterbiev will take the second one by TKO, but never ever write off Bivol. Both are truly exceptional at the sweet science that is boxing. So bring it on!
About rigid striking using more energy. Bivol wasn’t as wavy as usual in the Artur fight. That was the first time we saw a tired Bivol. I think Bivol was too eager to prove he can Artur. Which he did when he buzzed Artur a couple of timez with the left hook
I’m not sure if I can agree with the statement that a wave punch has less impact force. However, I assume it’s something different from what I’ve learned while studying what we might call the “Russian style of fighting.” Wave punching exists not only in Soviet boxing but also in certain combat systems rooted in Russian principles. A good example is the STORM system or Homo Ludens. Even Russian Systema incorporates this type of striking, which is extremely powerful. It’s not boxing per se, but the relaxed, chained punch-utilizing not just hip rotation and leg work, but also the spine (a crucial factor in generating wave power)-is often overlooked in striking despite its immense potential. In MMA, I think Fedor is the best example of someone who employs a ballistic type of striking, with punches that were definitely not light.
Interesting! Great vid series. Compare the 'whippy' punches here and 'driving' punches of the West to XingYi/Bagua(and other more "Internal" Kung Fu systems) Kung Fu vs Okinawan Karate punching vs Makiwara. Its like the body has 2 ways to transmit power: Rely on Elastic aspects of the physiology, or straight up driving power directly into a target. Olympic Lifting/Throwing vs Power Lifting and Carrying a heavy Load. I think there is also symmetry with how swordsmanship 'evolved' into Fencing. More physical and 'brutish' into more technical and speed-oriented.
This is how I train... It's payed off ten fold with the pendulum step and the whipping punches, the footwork is so boring and tedious... Combine that with the breathing techniques and it all just syncs up.. you basically win by death from a thousand paper cuts. You can lull someone into comfort with the punches because it's not like they're all that powerful but every few combos you basically pick one of the punches and add power to it... It's death by a thousand paper cuts.. I just compete in ammy in America but I found it frustrates the fighters who want to brawl or knock you out ALOT.
No, not at all. Fedor used wild left-right-left-right hooks his entire career. No jabs, no straights, no set ups, no combinations, no variety, just wild swinging. His entire punching vocabulary consisted of basically two punches - left hook and right hook. Every once in a blue moon he'd throw something else. Calling his style of punching Soviet style is an insult to the Soviet style.
fax. its like a MMA style Soviet Boxing style. He whip that shit out and it have the same mechanics pretty much just not as perfect as a guy like Bivols but works for mma.
Similar conceptually to my own striking method. Your body has the power you've trained it to have, when striking you do not need to focus on power whatsoever you need to focus on speed, fluidity of motion, proper technique and energy efficiency. When you connect the power will still be there, so forget about it. Mentally cocerning yourself with power will only ever serve to slow you down.
The difference in schools, maybe also suggests a difference in focus between mainly being competitive in amateurial bouts (the soviets) vs also prepping for a pro career, where KO capacity, rather than mainly points gathering, is also a high priority, as is showmanship. A question is, if ex soviet block trainers and boxers, once access to the pro boxing world was obtained, didnt to a higher degree start to mix these two styles? Using the soviet style to frustrate the opponent, and keep them reactive rather than active as well as of course score points, right up until you can work the opponent into a position where a rigid/power punch can be applied (likely) opportunely.
I first became aware of the unusual manner of Soviet punching from watching Fedor Emelianenko in MMA, his famed casting punch knockouts are stunning to behold.
I'm old enough to remember when Soviet style used to just be called out-boxing. Referring to the distance zones. (In-fighter, boxer-puncher, out-fighter, and brawler[punching range fighting in the pocket, trading].)
The Soviet style was created with the idea of dominating a short fight with speed and accuracy since body punches doesn't matter in short fights like the ones in Olympic boxing. Anybody can move for 3 rounds and dominate from outside, no need to be the stronger and more powerful boxer banging on the smaller guy, the way professional boxing have become with boxers dehydrating 30 pounds and more and then getting inside the smaller guy.
There are actually a number of different American styles of boxing. This was a very short and not a very indepth video. There are also a few Mexican styles and south American boxing styles. Japanese karate also change quite a bit after being influenced by western boxing.
Both styles emphasise reaction time and explosiveness. I would agree however that certain western stlyes that rely on shelling up and countering work better for more senior folks because they can compensate with experience. Maybe thats true also for the evasive footwork in the russian system but I assume eventually you will have to stay in striking distance and than reactiontime will be a factor again.
@@pavijan I'll make it easy for you. Look at how many world champions are young. Look at how many world champions are old. See a trend? An exceptionally skilled older man with the right genetics and the right style and the right matchups in the right era can indeed be a world champion. Most of the time, the stars do not align.
Bivol’s wavy left hook hurts Artur in the rematch. We’ll see a Bivol who returns to proper form utilizing the Soviet Step. Too much Lateral Bivol in fight 1. Linear Soviet Step Bivol is better offensively
The wavy-type punches might have origins in a Russian martial art called Systema. In Systema, that is how they throw their punches. Along with the coordination of their breathing as the punches are thrown. While Systema was developed for self-defense, it has other health benefits along with fighting. Everything is done in a very relaxed method, and the punches are thrown with a whip-like action.
You guys clearly are biased. Plenty of fighters around the world use waves. Russians have sustained it so now it’s theirs!!!! No they just specialize in it.
There is a heavy influence with kungfu because Russia is the neighbour. Kungfu stresses on structure/posture to deliver a strong punch and being able to receive/defend as well. Very little head movement with more emphasis on footwork and posture. You hardly see a Russian boxer move like Mayweather
I expect Soviet Style to improve in pro boxing. Bivol is the first translation of Soviet Style into professional boxing. Future iterations will be better
This kind of bouncy fighting is not that popular anymore in my opinion I was at the eu championships in Serbia, Russia won like every division except one but they fighting style incorporates much more pressure.
you would have seen a lot of good ex-soviet champions in the 90s, but most of them went to the criminal world as the sporting system was in disarray. Nowadays, Uzbeks for example, are coming back strongly by re-building the foundation of the soviet system. Soviet boxing doesn't need to improve, it already has a ton of good pros dominating the sport, but with time, it could become even moreso.
@Ufhhh12 incorporates pressure. Bivol comes forward more than he’s credited for. Fans think master boxer with a great jab automatically makes a full time backfoot boxer, which is false
I can appreciate the Soviet training method. But still no Soviet fighter could have touched Duran, Leonard, Ali, etc. The rise of Russian boxers is due to one thing mainly- the decline, or complete absence now of the US amateur boxing program.
Russian/2nd world boxing: Raise boxers to score points to bring Olympic glory to USSR. Western/1st world boxing: Raise a prize fighter to bring home money to keep this gym open. One's more like a farm, the other is more like a stable.
I think the soviet style of boxing is good and has its advantages but there are certain American styles that are better like Frazier, Marciano, Foreman, Tyson, Louis, and Robinson/Ali
Of course American style is the best in boxing. Most greats are American. I’d add Mayweather to your list. He’s more skilled than all of them and about equal to Robinson in ability
cool till you got two bull fighters. last point says it all see the look more than once becomes a dog fight. especially lighter classes, no getting away with a rhythm. wavy punches loose stink due to pressure. might not have made money but jumped back and forth enough without a karate knockout to be sure.
@CuttingEdgeSystema yes because Russia shares boarder with China and Mongolia alot of Eastern Russian are Asian. Alot of western Russias are more Scandinavian European.
Are you referring to the document on my website? It was misspelled. Full name is Anatoliy Bulychev. I forgot to add the 'y' in his last name. It's fixed now. Keep in mind that these names, as well as most of the documents, are originally in Russian and very old, so their English translations will be quite scarce when searching online. The book's name is ''Boxing'' (Boks).
What most don't know about combat sports is that Russia is, without a doubt, the creator of what works. Powerlifting? Go look at Westside Barbell. Louie Simmons got his ENTIRE basis for powerlifting from whom? The Russians. MMA? Fedor Emelianenko. Dominated MMA. Wrestling? Aleksandr Karelin. In Russia, unlike most other places, they are State sponsored. This means a sport can truly advance forward & this can translate into better & better athletes to keep things going forward with meaningful technique etc.
With all due respect, do something with your pronounce of 's' because in the video all i heard was sSss'ssS,sSSs,sS"ssSs Put the mic further away, or don't talk yourself, or learn how to do it or whatever if you wanna have a channel where the point is to have views. People today have no common sense... it's the same as if i wanna have a cleaning company but instead of soapy stuff i would clean with poop and then i would be surprised if someone doesn't like it
Quite misleading video actually. Anyone knowing basic theory of boxing know that that the one you show here is just the basic theory of boxing. Shared by any school. Soviet style is fine as any style, but the differences are much more subtle and thin than those mentioned here.
They are much more effective in MMA I feel like. Guys like Petr Yan for example. But I felt so too initially. I cant remember the great boxing legends ever being challenged by some russian guy.
A great Russian boxer imo would be Evgeny Romanov. Precise, clear, dry punches. He didn't pursue boxing for long though. Don't know if he applied this typical Russian style though.
My coach was trained by Filimonov and I do seminars with him, the real magic of the soviet style is not really what people see in the pros. They have put together a system to build boxers from the ground up, that's a real school of boxing. Out of 100 young boxers, the soviet system can get mist of them very good and the mist talented will rise up but they would have done it in most areas of the world. Alì would have been great in any time. Most of the other boxing systems I know are a meatgrinder, the lower level practitioners even function as heavy bags for the most talented ones. The soviet system is the best blueprint for a green boxer, if you watch usyk and lomachenko i the amateurs they all fought like a generic soviet boxer, almost a carbon copy. Then they specialize as they get to the next level of competition. One of the reasons why they soviets could develop a universal system is communism, they had regular meetings and a lot of cooperation amongst each other. All the eastern block systems and Cuba come from that soviet root.
Im russian, and in most of the boxing gyms here "are a meatgrinder, the lower level practitioners even function as heavy bags for the most talented ones". Its true.
@@W1LDtracer I'm Italian, and most people here don't eat according to the Mediterranean diet. That is the essence of the Soviet system, you have schools like Frolov's who follow it and produce high level amateurs, and schools where the coach is a meathead who makes people spar until they have no teeth. Just like not all powerlifting gyms in Russia have someone who follows Sheiko's methodology. I don't have a stereotyped vision of Russia that's black and white. For example, as manly as many Russian fighters are, I know it's full of femboys while people think everybody in Russia trains in the snow with their pet bear.
I call BS. Lomachenko as an amateur fought the way Lomachenko fights. He and Usyk are both south paws, the Soviet school never had a good system for southpaws. Lomachenko and Usyk are both the products of Anatoly Lomanchenko's training system which he specifically built around and for his son. Usyk came along when he as a teen came to boxing camps in Lomachenko's gym and then later when Lomachenko senior trained the national team.
Now, about communism. Communism is a garbage and even more importantly fascist ideology which has nothing to do with boxing. Communism has killed more people than any other ideology in history. Moreover, communists mostly killed their own citizens unlike other inhumane ideologies. China has had communism for many years and it never created a good boxing system, so no. That just complete nonsense.
@@leobender2910 The segment about communism is just hilarious, you should google what a strawman argument is because you argue with something I never said :) you need to have order in your own mind before you open your mouth :) I'm sure people with an IQ that's at least average understood what I said. You don't belong in a debate, sorry :)
@@ddwfwnot only that. Imagine how many people are victims to Big Pharma, Tobacco industries, Food Industrie, wars in the name of democracy? Everything just to make more profit. Every ideology produces corpses, just in different ways!
Key Elements of Russian Style:
#1 Fighting out of a Rhythm: Bouncing in and out of the "Pocket"
#2 Long Connor McGregor Guard: Front arm extended
#3 Noodle Arms enabling loose Nick Diaz Power and Casting Looping Punches
The Russian Olympic Boxing Team created a weighted shadowboxing regimen. 3, 3 minute rounds, one minute rest in between, first and third empty hand, second round with weights....
pure boxing the extended lead arm is just a southpaw tactic. still bennys but jones eye poke issues
Is there a reason the 2nd round is weighted?
I think Bivol returns to Russian style against Artur and whoops his azz clearly. In fight 1 Bivol was overly lateral and wasted a buncha energy with all of that movement
@@damanij9747Maybe to get used to the attrition game in the mid rounds. Stay fast and aggressive in the early and ending stages, technical and efficient in the middle.
@@LeadLeftLeon he didn't lost this fight, it's Turkish muslims judges gave a win to his brother.
yayyyy he finally made a video on soviet style boxing people. For the past few days I have been extremely fascinated by the Soviet style Boxing style and I wanted to know what they do differently for their punches to look differently then other styles.
Finally? Theres tons of videos what are you talking about??? Are you a bot?
@Bit-c-k6h Nah man but not in detail. But if you have some good sources please recommend it to me.
yea bro I suggest looking up past fighters because soviet style is trash it gets beats nonstop having bivol doesn't mean the style is good when all of eastern europe does that shit. They have thousands of thousands of fighters training that and they only produced bivol and usky(slow fat heavyweight division.). This style cant win at lower weight classes they cant produce a champion. Lomachenko is their best product at lower weight classes and lost multiple times.
@@loveoutubevids Yeah but there is much nuance man I don't even know where to start. Just beginning to box I don't have a base yet so I wanna learn good technique. And I don't really plan to go pro and shit but I still want my boxing to be effective and translate to MMA so I can spar with my big brother. Might wanna recommend me some starting youtube channels.
@@ZOOC-iz1fq Look up joe louis for you to only be starting now to achieve bivol level is damn near impossible. I'm not saying you can achieve joe louis level either, but he is very technical and fought 15 rounders with 5 oz gloves and was a more slow and steady type of guy. Guys you should look up tape on. Joe louis sugar ray Robinson, sugar ray Leonard, Mike McCullum, South paw fighters-Marvin Hagler, Micheal Moore, adonis Stevenson. All of these guys have highlights on TH-cam I'm not saying these guys are the best of the best, but I'm saying these guys are high iq fighters that were taught by trainers no longer with us who were hall of fame trainers and beat other hall of fame trainers. Also look up floyd patterson and see how much faster he was than tyson he was also trained by cus.
Very interesting. Now it makes sense why you see so many ex-soviet boxers who have phenomenal stamina. It's due to their relaxed, highly efficient punching style.
yes , 12 rounds of dancing around. Then Mike Tyson entered the chat...
Dude you truly know your stuff from wrestling to boxing nice video brother
Soviet style is my favorite. It’s very technical imo
Посмотрите на пложение головы в пространстве у советских боксеров это постоянно движущаяся и смещающаяся цель ,в которую трудно попасть и на которой трудно сконцентрироваться .
Energy efficiency. Good point.
Love stuff like this
Loma and Usyk use Tyson's lead foot shuffle because Poppa Loma loved it and drilled it into them. Talking Soviet Style with either of those 2 is a bit silly but some are doing it in the comments. One of my coaches told me 20-25 years ago that the Soviets would eventually take over the pros because of their feet, he never mentioned wavy punching. I'll definitely look into it more. My wife can translate the books for me if they don't have English versions
Both were trained in the soviet style whether you can admit or not. U know nothing😅
This is fascinating because chinese kung fu has styles that generate power in very particular ways that you have to be guided in stringently by a qualified sifu in order to be able to preform much like this. Sadly the combat sport aspect of chinese kung fu suffered two mass extinction events (boxer's rebellion, mao etc) coupled with the fact that back when it was a combat sport (well, not really a sport people would literally come to see guys get their heads lopped off with those big chinese halbreds atop a wooden podium) the different lineages safe guarded their techniques from each other so the enemy would not know what they were up against, modern competitive sports also do this to win, and so a lot of it was not written down, so when a lot of the best sifu's and fighters went down by gun fire in the boxer's rebellion, so much of that sporting context (despite often being to the death) was made extinct.
So this pretty much leaves guys interest in Chinese martial arts in much the same shoes as the guys trying to figure out medieval weapons combat. We still have manuals from back then but the living lineage of instruction from master to student also went extinct.
That's a shame. It makes complete sense though.
I've always wondered why there aren't really many good kung fu fighters, as far as taking on other martial artists.
@@ryanlynch290 Search sanda. It's chinese kickboxing. They produce some tough fighters. Zhang Weili being example of a champion in UFC
Makes me wonder about how good they got during the period when all those system forces were at play. Some truly amazing fighters must have risen to the top.
@@ryanlynch290 Zhang Weili and Zabit Magomedsharipov are good examples of talented Sanda (Chinese kickboxing, which is basically Kung Fu) fighters in UFC.
Very cool insights, thanks for the breakdown!
Fascinating video!
Make sense now watching Fedor Emilianenko's past fights from Pride. That was his striking style to a T. Great video.
Hello buddy :-) I cant claim to have seen much of the legendary fedor in his prime, but i do have a question to your statement, that i hope you might be able to answer :)
Fedor might have practiced the soviet style, in part at least, but once he saw a chance of a decisive intervention, fedor most often took it and went for a potentially fight ending move, didnt he?
Bivol’s left hook is wavy. It comes from down low and travels in an upward trajectory. Artur couldn’t stop Bivol’s left hook
Don't know about you, but I'm really looking forward to the next fight between Beterbiev & Bivol. Two absolute masters and generational fighters going at it!
I think Beterbiev will take the second one by TKO, but never ever write off Bivol.
Both are truly exceptional at the sweet science that is boxing.
So bring it on!
Fascinating. Thank you for the education
About rigid striking using more energy. Bivol wasn’t as wavy as usual in the Artur fight. That was the first time we saw a tired Bivol. I think Bivol was too eager to prove he can Artur. Which he did when he buzzed Artur a couple of timez with the left hook
I’m not sure if I can agree with the statement that a wave punch has less impact force. However, I assume it’s something different from what I’ve learned while studying what we might call the “Russian style of fighting.” Wave punching exists not only in Soviet boxing but also in certain combat systems rooted in Russian principles. A good example is the STORM system or Homo Ludens. Even Russian Systema incorporates this type of striking, which is extremely powerful.
It’s not boxing per se, but the relaxed, chained punch-utilizing not just hip rotation and leg work, but also the spine (a crucial factor in generating wave power)-is often overlooked in striking despite its immense potential. In MMA, I think Fedor is the best example of someone who employs a ballistic type of striking, with punches that were definitely not light.
Works incredibly well in bare knuck boxing though. Those Russian bare knuck fighters throw combos like we see in gloved boxing
Systema is a joke
@@takeiteasy8847 Yeah I would love to see you saying this after being punched by Vlad or Alex Kostic 😂
@@jumblejumbo u are 100 % right of course. A lot of marketing there. Still - it's not that hard to learn heavy wave punching :)
The soviet style has become very fascinating for me lately. It has many similarities to karate which I come from.
Yes, certain Karate style, not all of them, not Kyokoshin, not Goju Rio. It also resemble Takeando
if you want to get into it look up the pendulum step. Master that movement. Don't worry about throwing punches at first.
Interesting! Great vid series. Compare the 'whippy' punches here and 'driving' punches of the West to XingYi/Bagua(and other more "Internal" Kung Fu systems) Kung Fu vs Okinawan Karate punching vs Makiwara. Its like the body has 2 ways to transmit power: Rely on Elastic aspects of the physiology, or straight up driving power directly into a target. Olympic Lifting/Throwing vs Power Lifting and Carrying a heavy Load.
I think there is also symmetry with how swordsmanship 'evolved' into Fencing. More physical and 'brutish' into more technical and speed-oriented.
Love it mate, very well explained as usual. I'm a big fan of the old soviet style of training and fighting.
Love your channel 💐
This is similar to karate roundhouse kicks versus Muay Thai style. The whipping action accelerates your lower leg and leads to some nasty contact.
This is how I train... It's payed off ten fold with the pendulum step and the whipping punches, the footwork is so boring and tedious... Combine that with the breathing techniques and it all just syncs up.. you basically win by death from a thousand paper cuts. You can lull someone into comfort with the punches because it's not like they're all that powerful but every few combos you basically pick one of the punches and add power to it... It's death by a thousand paper cuts.. I just compete in ammy in America but I found it frustrates the fighters who want to brawl or knock you out ALOT.
Школа Исаева очень интересна с точки зрения биомеханики и переноса веса тела.
Fedor used this type of punching in his MMA fights as well . VERY powerful
No he didn't.
@@alexw.2988 he uses ballistic punch technich that you've seen in this video
@@abomination4710fedor doesn't punch this way. If you can't tell the difference idk what to tell you.
No, not at all. Fedor used wild left-right-left-right hooks his entire career. No jabs, no straights, no set ups, no combinations, no variety, just wild swinging. His entire punching vocabulary consisted of basically two punches - left hook and right hook. Every once in a blue moon he'd throw something else. Calling his style of punching Soviet style is an insult to the Soviet style.
fax. its like a MMA style Soviet Boxing style. He whip that shit out and it have the same mechanics pretty much just not as perfect as a guy like Bivols but works for mma.
Similar conceptually to my own striking method. Your body has the power you've trained it to have, when striking you do not need to focus on power whatsoever you need to focus on speed, fluidity of motion, proper technique and energy efficiency. When you connect the power will still be there, so forget about it. Mentally cocerning yourself with power will only ever serve to slow you down.
The difference in schools, maybe also suggests a difference in focus between mainly being competitive in amateurial bouts (the soviets) vs also prepping for a pro career, where KO capacity, rather than mainly points gathering, is also a high priority, as is showmanship.
A question is, if ex soviet block trainers and boxers, once access to the pro boxing world was obtained, didnt to a higher degree start to mix these two styles?
Using the soviet style to frustrate the opponent, and keep them reactive rather than active as well as of course score points, right up until you can work the opponent into a position where a rigid/power punch can be applied (likely) opportunely.
Great video!
I first became aware of the unusual manner of Soviet punching from watching Fedor Emelianenko in MMA, his famed casting punch knockouts are stunning to behold.
This is very good stuff, wow. It´s a rarity, too
I'm old enough to remember when Soviet style used to just be called out-boxing. Referring to the distance zones. (In-fighter, boxer-puncher, out-fighter, and brawler[punching range fighting in the pocket, trading].)
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The Soviet style was created with the idea of dominating a short fight with speed and accuracy since body punches doesn't matter in short fights like the ones in Olympic boxing. Anybody can move for 3 rounds and dominate from outside, no need to be the stronger and more powerful boxer banging on the smaller guy, the way professional boxing have become with boxers dehydrating 30 pounds and more and then getting inside the smaller guy.
When you say western we mean usa and Canada
German boxing for example is often described as to Robotic.High volume punching
I like the soviet style more. The american stile looks less technical and more like street fighting.
There are actually a number of different American styles of boxing. This was a very short and not a very indepth video. There are also a few Mexican styles and south American boxing styles. Japanese karate also change quite a bit after being influenced by western boxing.
You can actually see this in Fedor’s boxing style.
Good for Olympic style boxing
this is exactly how Fedor Emelianenko used to punch!
More soviet style boxing breakdowns please
0:21 o shit I have that book
Fun fact is that Isaev was the first pick by Bivol to be his coach but he said he only trains top talent.
01:49 tyson's quick reaction to the head coming his way
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Hidden advantage, yet there are videos of it all over youtube.
Good stuff.
" Soviet style" must me very fit,must be young.
"Western style" don't have to be so fit,can be over 30.
Both styles emphasise reaction time and explosiveness. I would agree however that certain western stlyes that rely on shelling up and countering work better for more senior folks because they can compensate with experience. Maybe thats true also for the evasive footwork in the russian system but I assume eventually you will have to stay in striking distance and than reactiontime will be a factor again.
Fighting is a young man's sport. Doesn't matter the style
@samjohnsonkb you are not right.
George Foreman.
You are not right.
Evander Hoolyfield.
@@pavijan I'll make it easy for you. Look at how many world champions are young. Look at how many world champions are old. See a trend? An exceptionally skilled older man with the right genetics and the right style and the right matchups in the right era can indeed be a world champion. Most of the time, the stars do not align.
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What if you combine the western boxing and Soviet boxing?
Bivol’s wavy left hook hurts Artur in the rematch. We’ll see a Bivol who returns to proper form utilizing the Soviet Step. Too much Lateral Bivol in fight 1. Linear Soviet Step Bivol is better offensively
It'll come at the cost of his ability to keep Beterbiev off him. Linear retreats have their weaknesses and Arthur excels at chewing up space.
@gael.7593 Do an optimized mixture of both. Linear offensively, lateral defensively
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This is how Usyk beats people
The wavy-type punches might have origins in a Russian martial art called Systema. In Systema, that is how they throw their punches. Along with the coordination of their breathing as the punches are thrown. While Systema was developed for self-defense, it has other health benefits along with fighting. Everything is done in a very relaxed method, and the punches are thrown with a whip-like action.
I'd agree
You guys clearly are biased. Plenty of fighters around the world use waves. Russians have sustained it so now it’s theirs!!!! No they just specialize in it.
@@massdisruption3437 no-one said that.
En conclusión...si "Iván Drago" hubiera sido realmente soviético, le habría dado una paliza a "Rocky Balboa" inolvidable.
There is a heavy influence with kungfu because Russia is the neighbour. Kungfu stresses on structure/posture to deliver a strong punch and being able to receive/defend as well. Very little head movement with more emphasis on footwork and posture. You hardly see a Russian boxer move like Mayweather
Lack of rolling their heads or bobbing and weaving. I remember Bivol doing it ONCE.
Russia had its own martial art systems
I expect Soviet Style to improve in pro boxing. Bivol is the first translation of Soviet Style into professional boxing. Future iterations will be better
This kind of bouncy fighting is not that popular anymore in my opinion
I was at the eu championships in Serbia, Russia won like every division except one but they fighting style incorporates much more pressure.
you would have seen a lot of good ex-soviet champions in the 90s, but most of them went to the criminal world as the sporting system was in disarray. Nowadays, Uzbeks for example, are coming back strongly by re-building the foundation of the soviet system. Soviet boxing doesn't need to improve, it already has a ton of good pros dominating the sport, but with time, it could become even moreso.
@Ufhhh12 incorporates pressure. Bivol comes forward more than he’s credited for. Fans think master boxer with a great jab automatically makes a full time backfoot boxer, which is false
@smokescreenOG Bivol’s cousin Madrimov deserves a rematch with TBud. Nowadays fighters can get away with ducking rematches
you wave a few times and then you do that sudden stop before the jab
Because true power comes from a limp and relaxed place. I got to train with a Ukraineian boxing champ for a while
Fedor.
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I can appreciate the Soviet training method. But still no Soviet fighter could have touched Duran, Leonard, Ali, etc. The rise of Russian boxers is due to one thing mainly- the decline, or complete absence now of the US amateur boxing program.
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So chuck Liddell figured it out...
Russian/2nd world boxing: Raise boxers to score points to bring Olympic glory to USSR.
Western/1st world boxing: Raise a prize fighter to bring home money to keep this gym open.
One's more like a farm, the other is more like a stable.
The "wavy punch" is from them contantly turning off line in a way that combines offense and defense.
The pendulum step combined with angles/pivots mixed with the volume of punches makes your defense top tier.
I think the soviet style of boxing is good and has its advantages but there are certain American styles that are better like Frazier, Marciano, Foreman, Tyson, Louis, and Robinson/Ali
Of course American style is the best in boxing. Most greats are American. I’d add Mayweather to your list. He’s more skilled than all of them and about equal to Robinson in ability
Fedor is a great example of this
cool till you got two bull fighters. last point says it all see the look more than once becomes a dog fight. especially lighter classes, no getting away with a rhythm. wavy punches loose stink due to pressure. might not have made money but jumped back and forth enough without a karate knockout to be sure.
Because of their Chinese link to old kung fu
agreed.
Chinese martial arts been around forever zero receipts tries to claim credit for everything
@LeadLeftLeon a well known and documented historical facts.
No, it's from older Russian styles
@CuttingEdgeSystema yes because Russia shares boarder with China and Mongolia alot of Eastern Russian are Asian. Alot of western Russias are more Scandinavian European.
Looks Like how Nick Diaz boxed in UFC.
You are talking about "A.I Bulchev" But I found nothing about this guy. And what is this book ?
Are you referring to the document on my website? It was misspelled. Full name is Anatoliy Bulychev. I forgot to add the 'y' in his last name. It's fixed now. Keep in mind that these names, as well as most of the documents, are originally in Russian and very old, so their English translations will be quite scarce when searching online. The book's name is ''Boxing'' (Boks).
@@PowerTraining Ah ok, thank you for theses precision !
What most don't know about combat sports is that Russia is, without a doubt, the creator of what works.
Powerlifting?
Go look at Westside Barbell. Louie Simmons got his ENTIRE basis for powerlifting from whom?
The Russians.
MMA?
Fedor Emelianenko.
Dominated MMA.
Wrestling?
Aleksandr Karelin.
In Russia, unlike most other places, they are State sponsored. This means a sport can truly advance forward & this can translate into better & better athletes to keep things going forward with meaningful technique etc.
i love this style, but i am not tall n lanky like the guys in the video
you don't need to be. Is Vasiliy Lomachenko a tall dude? or Kostya Tszyu?
@@smokescreenOG Kostya is inborn power puncher, Loma got early-age speciality, both got TALENT
@@W1LDtracer I don't really understand what your point is. Duh, obviously they are talented.
So thats what DIaz brothers were doing this whole time
That's a karate or kungfu style punch. Not all so called martial artists know it; but that's the traditional Chinese/ Okinawan way.
The Soviet advantage was their state sponsored doping program!
In MMA wavy punches would make your movements far too predictable. Predictable equals knocked out in a non-point scoring fight.
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get a pop filter for your mic dude
I guess I'm fighting soviet style from now on
I find Bivol’s inside fighting limited. He won’t rip shots down the middle and use uppers. It’s all looping hooks inside
I think it incorporated some principles from Systema.
"Western Boxing" or just boxing, has both ways of punching built in. We switch from stiff to whippy spine on the fly in the middle of combinations.
Sugar Ray Robinson comes to mind. Sometimes he’d get so much torque he’d be airborne. But it still had devastating power
Diaz brothers of MMA used this looser style. More combos.
With all due respect, do something with your pronounce of 's' because in the video all i heard was sSss'ssS,sSSs,sS"ssSs
Put the mic further away, or don't talk yourself, or learn how to do it or whatever if you wanna have a channel where the point is to have views.
People today have no common sense... it's the same as if i wanna have a cleaning company but instead of soapy stuff i would clean with poop and then i would be surprised if someone doesn't like it
Quite misleading video actually. Anyone knowing basic theory of boxing know that that the one you show here is just the basic theory of boxing. Shared by any school. Soviet style is fine as any style, but the differences are much more subtle and thin than those mentioned here.
looks goofy as hell
Soviet style boxing is garbage. Its ridiculous. There are very few pro world champions who use this style, and the ones who do use it lack power.
They are much more effective in MMA I feel like. Guys like Petr Yan for example. But I felt so too initially. I cant remember the great boxing legends ever being challenged by some russian guy.
A great Russian boxer imo would be Evgeny Romanov. Precise, clear, dry punches. He didn't pursue boxing for long though. Don't know if he applied this typical Russian style though.
There few american that can be pro champ for now. If the us cannot provide new champ, then the rus will produce more
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