This is absurd. Id argue Stafford coming in mid season, even with his familiarity w KOC, is going to require a learning curve and it’s JJs show next year. So we basically risk blowing up a 5-1 team for a what….half season rental? I want a DT that helps us now and helps us in the future.
@@DystopianUtopia8I’m not even sure Stafford of today is THAT much better than Darnold. Is that really worth potentially messing up team chemistry when our offense has been playing w Sam since training camp? Stafford’s fought injuries, he’s 10 years older plus everything we already mentioned above. Just doesn’t make sense
Y'all are crazy. I would not trade a 1st for Stafford under any condition at this point in his career. You're trading a prospective 10-year starter for a 1-2 year rental. Hard no! Judd is right on this.
Y'all are right, but they're still not going to trade a first-round pick for a temporary, broken down (let's be honest) .5-1.5 year rental. Even more so with the greatly diminished draft stock they're already playing with.
How does no one even mention that Stafford is probably washed. He has stated on podcasts how he has had to adjust his throwing because his arm isn't there anymore.
This crew playing both side of the fence on this topic is wild. Last I checked this is a 5-1 team and the motto of the show is one before I die. And yet here we are with an affirmative yes Stafford gives us the best chance at SB but still not sure I would do it. The window is open Stafford or Lawrence if either gives you a chance this season do it. Or I guess I can’t wait for them to draft a corner in 2026 for a defense that Brian Flores left long ago to be a HC….
But the point is he doesn’t give them the best chance at a SB. He gives them the best chance at this years Super Bowl. But a worse chance at future SBs because you’re spending draft capital on a rental. So if he takes your Super Bowl chances this year from 0.01% to 0.05% (for example) but reduces your Super Bowl window in subsequent years by 2% then it isn’t worth it. (Numbers exaggerated to make the point)
@@jamespratt7526 assuming the trajectory of a team is a dangerous game. Injuries, coaching changes, players retiring, prospects not panning out are all factors in your scenario fall the Vikings way. Go ask the 49ers how what was seemingly guaranteed championship trajectory pans out. The cake and eat it too approach is a good way to miss a championship window.
@@RobbyBJust1B4IDIE I’m not saying don’t do it for that reason only. If it gives you an appreciably better shot this year then go for it. But it needs to be appreciably better. The Carolina Panthers trading three firsts for Derrick Henry gives them a better shot at this years SB. But it improves them from an infinitesimally small number to a slightly larger number that is still essentially nil. That’s the point here. If you’re mortgaging the future it better be worth it with a tangible upside that can possibly happen. Personally I’m not convinced Matt Stafford is even better than Darnold. Obviously, in their prime Stafford is better and it’s not even a question. Yes, Stafford is suffering through injury but that’s a superficial analysis. He also looks… bad. I think he’s fallen off the age cliff as Matt Ryan did when Atlanta traded him to Indy and as Rodgers has done in NY
We don't want Stafford. The notion of trading Darnold and draft capital for him with a 5-1 record, and JJ McCarthy taking over next season is asinine. If a trade happens, it's for defensive upgrades to the Dline
Judd is crazy saying "I think the Vikings would balk at trading a conditional first based on making the Superbowl" and ALSO saying "I think we should trade a first for Simmons or Lawrence"
This would be a stupid idea. Only way I entertain this is as followed. 1. Strictly a QB for QB trade no giving up draft picks. Darnold is a possible future asset for the Rams. Stafford is a 1 year Brett Favre play. 2. They then take the first round pick and go get Big Dex.
Calling it dumb is just wrong though. It would be dumb if Matt Stafford wasn't a better quarterback than Darnold, but he is better. The locker room at the end of the day wants to win a super bowl. They aren't interested in the "Sam Darnold career revival" trophy and a divisional round playoff exit.
@@rollerr nah At this point in his career he’s actually not better then Sam rn. Not to mention we already have our guy in JJ after this season. So we’d be making a trade for a more expensive QB to play the remaining 11 games even though we already have a good QB 😂🤷🏻♂️ yes it’d be a dumb trade.
@@Jderushia07If you honestly think Darnold is better I think you're totally crazy. How he's playing this season is irrelevant because his team is a total mess.
@@jiordone8563 Do you only look at box scores? Or are you taking into account that he's playing behind a below average offensive line with third and fourth string wide receivers? Like, I can't believe we're actually having a discussion on whether Matt Stafford is a good QB lol. You guys are legitimately ridiculous
I'm not sure he the piece that gets this team over the hump. Yes he's an upgrade from Darnold but bolstering the o-line or getting a Detxer Lawrence type DT should be more of a priority that will help for this season and years to come
For chemistry reasons, I like the CB/DL idea more. Idk if you can mess with the offensive dynamic by dropping Matt Stafford into this - and Kelly’s irritating self chirping behind the scenes
There's a quick rule of thumb called Betteridge's Law of headlines that applies here. Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." If they were confident the answer is yes, they would have printed it as a statement of fact (eg. "The Vikings could/should trade for Matt Stafford")
i would be slightly dissappointed if that went through, i think they would need to focus on the defense and continue to give darnold a chance we lose one game and people think all is lost, darnold would lose his spot regardless once jj comes back anyway so dont miss the bigger picture here
@@eddiejones974 True, but if they can’t get an IDL and/or CB it won’t matter against the likes of Detroit and GB, which you will likely have to beat to make it to the NFC Championship. Let’s not even talk about Baltimore with Derrick Henry or KC, who just picked up D-Hop.
Trading for Stafford makes no sense. Darnold is way more mobile and is doing pretty well. Trade for a def tackle or right guard. Those are definite needs. It would take a lot more than Stafford for the Vikings to win the SB this year.
If it was similar to the Goff trade where we give them Darnold and we get Stafford and a 1st or something, then sure. Don't think they'd go for that. But this year wasn't even expected to be this good. We have a bright future to build. I don't think this is the way to go. I'd really only want a big trade if it were for Dexter Lawrence. That guy is insane and young.
Adding stafford guarantees nothing. He was gifted a super bowl threw a terrible deep ball right to a san francisco 49er safety who flat out dropped it after it bounced off his hands and chest with no one near him and we are here talking about stafford finding jones in the flat and not throwing to addison lol
No way in hell we go for Stafford. It makes absolutely zero sense. One big reason is Staffords contract is massive and makes no sense to even sniff that
NO. Stafford to the Vikes is reckless stupidity, not reckless speculation. He's too old and too expensive. Florio's scoops are usually disjointed from reality.
Vikings fans are delusional if they prefer darnold over stafford for a potential superbowl run. Darnold literally never even played a playoff game and he's known to be terrible under pressure in REGULAR SEASON games. 😅
Stafford has like a million 4th quarter comeback, some against the Vikings. He's super clutch, Darnold is o.k. so far, but doesn't have the clutch factor. Kirk definitely didn't have that either
Ultimately by uplifting the qb plays uplifts the offense and had a ripple effect to not have the defense out there as much to help them. So instead of us relying on one part of the ball we would be great on both sides
I think the most frustrating thing about Sam is when a play goes south, like a screen play gets blown up, he just dirts the ball after 2 seconds despite being under no pressure. It always seemed weird to me. You would hope he sits back for another second or two, or at least gives it a chance, and then throws it away if there's pressure or if nothing opens up. Seems like his brain just fritzes if he doesn't see what he wants off the snap, which will NOT carry a team to, and win, the Super Bowl
If I were the Vikings I would pass on a possible move for Stafford. Why upset the apple cart now? Instead, I would wholeheartedly inquire about a trade for Dexter Lawrence from the G-Men. That makes more sense! JMO ✌️
Darnold the past 3 weeks has shown it’s gonna be tough to make a real run with him he’s holding onto the ball too long and not taking every shot he needs to
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u Stafford is no upgrade, get real and actually is results and play. Outside of the 1 season with the Rams, he's been just another QB his entire career.
@@jiordone8563 He absolutely is an upgrade over Darnold. Compare their careers. He won 1 superbowl, I am assuming that is the season you are talking about as his "1 season".... How many seasons of success has Darnold had? Darnold has thrown for 3,000 yards once in his career. Stafford has 9 seasons of over 4,000 yards and two years throwing 41 touchdowns with the most recent being 2021- he threw for 3900 yards last year which is nearly 1,000 yards more than Darnold's career best. Darnold's career high in TD's thrown is 19.
Strike while the iron is hot eh? They arent getting Stafford. Would be VERY dumb. I make a trade for Simmons, Lawrence, or Horn, and thats it if the price was right.
we break up the chemistry, we give the Rams their younger QB... Rams give us Stafford and a 5th for Darnold, or the phone is hung up... Darnold doesn't have to beat Mahomes or Goff for that matter... that's Flo and the defenses job... can Darnold beat the Lions, Chiefs, Ravens defenses? yes, I believe he can...
If this was madden, the conversation would make sense. But this is the end of October with major logistics issues. Bringing in Stafford with your bye week already gone, with a winning record, never playing with these teammates, his external family events, his cap figures AND GIVING UP DRAFT ASSETS?? That’s a Jets, desperation and completely chaos dumpster fire kind of trade to make. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for this team. AND it doesn’t make sense for them in the future either. If there was any merit to the deal, it could have been done in the off season very easily because he’s always been available. Why? His cap figures are insane! This is a competent organization and just something to laugh about.
Id rather have Lawrence but a pro about the stafford trade that should be mentioned is this: McCarthy is a sponge right now. A sponge who is learning behind Sam Darnold. A positive about bringing Stafford in would be McCarthy being able to learn from him
SINGAPORE FAN’S VIKING VALKYRIE PROPOSITION You’re right. The Vikings need a better QB than Sam to reach the Super Bowl, let alone beat Mahomes and the Chiefs. But Stafford? Nope. The hunger just doesn’t seem to be in him. I doubt he will ever play the way he did to win another ring. YES, the QB is the first piece we need if we want to qualify for the big show this season. But if we wanna go full Rams, this is what we need, at a minimum. 1. A quality QB …and dare I say…Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco are the only QBs available now who can swing it for us. Rodgers? Unlike Stafford, he has the hunger. Yeah, Favre burnt us. But I bet a 3-month Rodgers is different because his use-by value, Anglo-Saxon work ethic, and acutely requisite super ego to go after a second ring remain intact esp if you throw in the prospect of proving everyone wrong. What better way to go out burnishing his legacy by beating Mahomes and jettisoning Pat’s obsession with achieving a unique hattrick of consecutive 3-peats. Flacco? Our insurance as a Nick Foles-like backup who knows how to figure out a win when the shit hits the fan. Sam should be in the right role of playing back up instead of crazy cowboy wanna be Mullens, whose high throw prob jeopardised Aaron Jones’ health in having to leap too high to snag a poorly executed pass in London. 2. We NEED Dexter Lawrence. Great as BFlo’s meshing of quality journeymen free agents, the Vikings need an Aaron Donald in the front four. And the only one who best fits the bill is Lawrence. 3. We need a Jaylon Johnson too to fortify the Viking border at corner. Gilly’s good sporadically but his heart somehow doesn’t seem to be in it 110 percent. If we have all 3, draining our cap space and burning our draft capital twice over, we can beat the Chiefs if we meet them in Las Vegas for the final game of the season….And I won’t have to die before we win one. SINGAPORE JOE🥂🇸🇬🇺🇸🇨🇳🇮🇳🇲🇾
Darnold's been pretty clutch this season, so I'm not sure if Stafford is a considerable upgrade, especially at the price. I sure didn't have us going 5-1 after the most difficult part of our schedule.
There is no way I'm giving any draft picks along with Darnold knowing JJ is our guy starting next yeah. If anything I'm asking for a 5th plus Stafford knowing Darnold is their plan for the next few years.
@@user-wj9bz8xi9uStafford is old and get banged up quite often. Stick it out with Darnold and upgrade the D-line and or O-line. Darnold has done enough for us to give him a shot the rest of the way. Once Hock comes back the offense is going to open up a lot more.
@@johnathanscott8009 proven winner though and he is tough- he injured his shoulder stayed in the game and threw game winning touchdown. We know he can win. We have a great defense, he could be the piece to get us a Super Bowl.
I think, despite the fact that we need help on RG and DL, Stafford could give us a a better shot this year and he would be a better veteran in front of JJ. And 4 Million guaranteed 2025... would be nice to have Stafford in `25 on the roster as a starter or even backup for JJ.
Can you imagine if we trade for Stafford, beat Detroit in the NFC championship game and then win a Super Bowl before they do with the quarterback that they let go for the quarterback we just beat? Brutal.
Can’t believe you guys didn’t spend time entertaining the idea of what Stafford role after this year would be if they want to start with JJ next season. What would that look like
How would this look to the team though? Would it be a locker room “wrecker”? Just gonna move on from a 5-1 QB? How would the team react? KOC has built a culture of trust and respect. Would the players feel douped if someone who has helped lead them to this start, is just shipped out. Would love to hear some thoughts.
Judd is saying the more important player is a d tackle upgrade. The question is can we win the SB with a d tackle upgrade and keep Darnold. Or get the d tackle and Stafford. I would take Stafford IF we got the d tackle too and it doesn’t hurt us too much financially
I thought O'Connell's over the top praise of Darnold must ring somewhat false with Sam knowing he was only here for one year, turning around a few weeks later and bringing in another guy might not sit well with the team..
@@Stiff_Richards really, based on exactly what, his stellar career? Do you actually watch him play this year? Do you actually look at his career numbers?
@@lukelee3 Correct, imagine what Darnold's performance would be if he was with this Rams team. Darnold is showing signs of regressing back to his old form. He needs to make decisions faster, quit holding the ball. Look Addison's way more often. KOC needs to quit calling all the long developing plays and just run some short throws to get Darnold in a rhythm.
This is very doable. We shall see how each team plays these two possible trade assets tomorrow and that would give us a better understanding on the validity of this claim. Keep in mind…The Vikings or Rams have not rebutted these claims. 🤔
I originally thought no way. But yesterdays show you guys mentioned that Darnold probably has reached his ceiling. Then i started thinking we have to think ahead to the playoffs - more than likely we play the Lions again in the playoffs. When that happens I would rather have Stafford then Darnold.
If you get Stafford and they win a superbowl or even if he just plays really well and they don't win a superbow, and he doesn't want to retire at the end of the year, the vikings can trade him in the off season for picks. I don't see a scenario where if they trade for Stafford now then the vikings are stuck with him for next year as well
The Vikings have a long history of bringing in old, past-their-prime QB’s … and how has it worked out for them? Moon … fun to watch but never came close to the SB, McNabb … total joke, Favre … one great year and then off the cliff. What we’ve seen from Darnold this year is that he’s not perfect , but the team as a whole is good enough to go toe to toe with any of the best teams in the NFL (yes, as much as it pains me to say it, I think the Lions are the best team in the league right now). There’s no reason to make a panicked short-sided move like trading for Stafford. Lawerence or Simmons would be a much better addition in my opinion.
Goessling and Alec Lewis both tweeted that they asked inside sourced, and that this is all horse shit. Move along.. and pray this isn’t a distraction before tomorrow’s game.
McCarthy is, in effect, a 2025 1st round draft pick. He'll be three years younger than rookie QB Jaren Hall was, and with a year of acclimating to Minneapolis, to the staff, to teammates, etc.
I don't think trading Sam for Matt is that outlandish I know the Vikings are 5-1 with Sam also Jared Goff took the Rams to the Super Bowl so.... The Vikings just let go of Kirk Cousins because they felt the rest of the team was great and Kirk was Good and they felt "Good" wasn't good enough.
Listen man, if we can trade Darnold & a 2026 3rd for Stafford as a rental. I'd be all in. McVey can have peace of mind that he has a competent QB for some years & can continue to mold him. We can go on a run with Stafford & imagine a playoff game against Detroit with Stafford. Then we can hopefully get Simmons from the Titans & let's friggin go boys!!! In the end JJ McCarthy is getting us a championship either way.
There is no question that Matthew Stafford is an upgrade over Sam Darnold. Matt was arguably the best QB last season and probably would have been MVP if he didn't miss three games (The Rams lost all three games he didn't play in and still had 11 wins). I think Stafford could win a ring with this team. Side note there is no way that the Giants trade Sexy Dexy, unless it was for multiple first round picks. We need them picks to draft Cornerbacks, a new Running back, and Safety. Yes, I'm saying draft a running back high because I don't want to see this offense with a bad running back after watching Aaron Jones, plus I think that running backs are going to see a resurgence in value with all the two high safeties being run and lighter linebackers. I want to keep the run game good to help a young QB in JJ when he starts.
Couldn’t we do both? 25 5th round with conditional 26 1st round for a SB win for Stafford? And then the 25 and 27 1st round for Lawrence? I still think I’d like McCarthy sitting behind Stafford for the sake of learning vs Darnold.
I’m a Vikings fan. I had tge realization Sunday that the lions are the better team. The road to the superbowl goes through Detroit. The Vikings’ current roster can get them to the nfc championship game but cannot beat the lions in Detroit. Vikings need an impact defensive lineman and upgrade at the qb position to get to and win the superbowl. Darnold has played well this season but he is no Matt Stafford. If they could upgrade both position they’d be virtually unstoppable
I'd rather trade for a stud DT or RG over Stafford.
I want Dexter Lawrence aka sexy Dexy
@@donaldverhota7503ill sacrifice my right nut for Lawrence
I'd take Stafford easily
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u The Rams would have to throw in some extra draft picks if they want us to take Stafford.
I've been loving darnolds resurgence, he's played quite well to be honest but we all know hes going to piss down his leg in january./
This is absurd. Id argue Stafford coming in mid season, even with his familiarity w KOC, is going to require a learning curve and it’s JJs show next year. So we basically risk blowing up a 5-1 team for a what….half season rental?
I want a DT that helps us now and helps us in the future.
not to mention Stafford's contract. So bad.
@@DystopianUtopia8I’m not even sure Stafford of today is THAT much better than Darnold. Is that really worth potentially messing up team chemistry when our offense has been playing w Sam since training camp? Stafford’s fought injuries, he’s 10 years older plus everything we already mentioned above. Just doesn’t make sense
@@purplereignCO agreed
Right!... what are we talking about!
Matt Stafford is worth a 4th or 5th at this point in his career. No 37 year old player is worth a 1st round pick.
They lose one game to a good team and everyone is just shitting on the starting QB. Good lord.
Right 20-28 passing lost by 2 points
And we wonder why we have issues with a sketchy fan base... that would not be wise!
Yeah, it's just terrible. This is if you define your life by this "before I die" stuff only.
Y'all are crazy. I would not trade a 1st for Stafford under any condition at this point in his career. You're trading a prospective 10-year starter for a 1-2 year rental. Hard no! Judd is right on this.
Darnold is on a 1 year deal, and the Vikings are absolutely not going to be signing him to a new contract.
Yep I agree he's 36 and not a cyborg like Brady.
Stafford would be a great backup/mentor for McCarthy next year though...........
Y'all are right, but they're still not going to trade a first-round pick for a temporary, broken down (let's be honest) .5-1.5 year rental. Even more so with the greatly diminished draft stock they're already playing with.
Our Biggest NEED is a huge DT that can shut down the run and push opposing Centers back wards!!!!!
Realistic Randy also made a great point about this if we were going to trade for Stafford we would’ve done it before we played the rams
Yeah, Randy said it 100% right, plus the losing of locker room. Big Randy fan here. I don't understand what purple daily is doing here. Shocking.
I’m with Judd, no conditional first and a game changing DT would be better.
How does no one even mention that Stafford is probably washed. He has stated on podcasts how he has had to adjust his throwing because his arm isn't there anymore.
This crew playing both side of the fence on this topic is wild. Last I checked this is a 5-1 team and the motto of the show is one before I die. And yet here we are with an affirmative yes Stafford gives us the best chance at SB but still not sure I would do it. The window is open Stafford or Lawrence if either gives you a chance this season do it. Or I guess I can’t wait for them to draft a corner in 2026 for a defense that Brian Flores left long ago to be a HC….
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But the point is he doesn’t give them the best chance at a SB. He gives them the best chance at this years Super Bowl. But a worse chance at future SBs because you’re spending draft capital on a rental.
So if he takes your Super Bowl chances this year from 0.01% to 0.05% (for example) but reduces your Super Bowl window in subsequent years by 2% then it isn’t worth it.
(Numbers exaggerated to make the point)
@@jamespratt7526 assuming the trajectory of a team is a dangerous game. Injuries, coaching changes, players retiring, prospects not panning out are all factors in your scenario fall the Vikings way. Go ask the 49ers how what was seemingly guaranteed championship trajectory pans out. The cake and eat it too approach is a good way to miss a championship window.
@@RobbyBJust1B4IDIE I’m not saying don’t do it for that reason only. If it gives you an appreciably better shot this year then go for it. But it needs to be appreciably better.
The Carolina Panthers trading three firsts for Derrick Henry gives them a better shot at this years SB. But it improves them from an infinitesimally small number to a slightly larger number that is still essentially nil.
That’s the point here. If you’re mortgaging the future it better be worth it with a tangible upside that can possibly happen.
Personally I’m not convinced Matt Stafford is even better than Darnold. Obviously, in their prime Stafford is better and it’s not even a question. Yes, Stafford is suffering through injury but that’s a superficial analysis. He also looks… bad. I think he’s fallen off the age cliff as Matt Ryan did when Atlanta traded him to Indy and as Rodgers has done in NY
That would be dumb
We don't want Stafford. The notion of trading Darnold and draft capital for him with a 5-1 record, and JJ McCarthy taking over next season is asinine.
If a trade happens, it's for defensive upgrades to the Dline
JJ is definitely taking over next season!!
Thank you!
Judd is crazy saying "I think the Vikings would balk at trading a conditional first based on making the Superbowl" and ALSO saying "I think we should trade a first for Simmons or Lawrence"
This would be a stupid idea.
Only way I entertain this is as followed.
1. Strictly a QB for QB trade no giving up draft picks. Darnold is a possible future asset for the Rams. Stafford is a 1 year Brett Favre play.
2. They then take the first round pick and go get Big Dex.
GIVE ME LAWERENCE OR GIVE ME DEATH!
I doubt the Giants trade him.
Yep
I think Lawerence gives us the best shot this year!!!!!
Dexter over Matt... we got JJ... what hell
That would be so dumb on the Vikings end lol Sam’s playing well, the whole locker room is behind him and we already have our QB of the future
Calling it dumb is just wrong though. It would be dumb if Matt Stafford wasn't a better quarterback than Darnold, but he is better. The locker room at the end of the day wants to win a super bowl. They aren't interested in the "Sam Darnold career revival" trophy and a divisional round playoff exit.
@@rollerr nah At this point in his career he’s actually not better then Sam rn. Not to mention we already have our guy in JJ after this season. So we’d be making a trade for a more expensive QB to play the remaining 11 games even though we already have a good QB 😂🤷🏻♂️ yes it’d be a dumb trade.
@@Jderushia07If you honestly think Darnold is better I think you're totally crazy. How he's playing this season is irrelevant because his team is a total mess.
@@rollerr is Stafford really better right now? Do you watch his games, or go back and look at his career?
@@jiordone8563 Do you only look at box scores? Or are you taking into account that he's playing behind a below average offensive line with third and fourth string wide receivers?
Like, I can't believe we're actually having a discussion on whether Matt Stafford is a good QB lol. You guys are legitimately ridiculous
Don't need Stafford, KOC just needs to learn how to beat Detroit. Haven't in almost 2yrs.
Oh yeah, I would take McVay immediately above KOC. That a deal! Do it.
I'm not sure he the piece that gets this team over the hump. Yes he's an upgrade from Darnold but bolstering the o-line or getting a Detxer Lawrence type DT should be more of a priority that will help for this season and years to come
For chemistry reasons, I like the CB/DL idea more.
Idk if you can mess with the offensive dynamic by dropping Matt Stafford into this - and Kelly’s irritating self chirping behind the scenes
Didn't we just get rid of a old quarterback
Stafford won't prevent the lions from putting up 28
I've never understood the phrase about "having your cake and eating it too". Isn't the point of having cake to eat it?
One of those idioms that don't make sense 😂
Straight up. If you even keep the cake, it’s going to grow mold and it will be too bad to eat. 😂
I'd like this trade better than a washed up Stafford 😔 CALL TITANS take Simmons and Pollard for a 1st and a 3rd we over the top
Once again, we’re ignoring the problems with the O-line.
only one real weak link, which is ingram. i think risner is replacing him
@@kellyoman2196. Bradbury is horrible too
Darnold leads the league in time to throw, lets relax on the oline a little bit
The oline is good now imo
@@joshnewman6667 how does the C get a false start? Agree Bradbury is terrible.
I wouldn't do this unless the Rams were giving us a 2nd rd pick along with Stafford and taking all of the cap hit this season.
There's a quick rule of thumb called Betteridge's Law of headlines that applies here. Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." If they were confident the answer is yes, they would have printed it as a statement of fact (eg. "The Vikings could/should trade for Matt Stafford")
“Should Any of Us Trust Betteridge’s Law?”
Better get a better interior o-line or it won’t matter who the qb is
i would be slightly dissappointed if that went through, i think they would need to focus on the defense and continue to give darnold a chance we lose one game and people think all is lost, darnold would lose his spot regardless once jj comes back anyway so dont miss the bigger picture here
CLICK BAIT!!!! But, I’m here for it.😂 and the answer is no, they ain’t trading for Stafford.
You never know
@@eddiejones974 we do know, KOC and Kwesi aren't stupid and that's enough
@@eddiejones974 True, but if they can’t get an IDL and/or CB it won’t matter against the likes of Detroit and GB, which you will likely have to beat to make it to the NFC Championship. Let’s not even talk about Baltimore with Derrick Henry or KC, who just picked up D-Hop.
@@IceCubE4425trade next year's 1st and Darnold for Stafford
Why would you trade for an aging QB who has injury problems
Because he’s a better QB than Darnold and you have a QBOTF already on the roster…?
Trading for Stafford makes no sense. Darnold is way more mobile and is doing pretty well. Trade for a def tackle or right guard. Those are definite needs. It would take a lot more than Stafford for the Vikings to win the SB this year.
Our defense needs help. We're scoring enough with Darnold.
If it was similar to the Goff trade where we give them Darnold and we get Stafford and a 1st or something, then sure. Don't think they'd go for that. But this year wasn't even expected to be this good. We have a bright future to build. I don't think this is the way to go. I'd really only want a big trade if it were for Dexter Lawrence. That guy is insane and young.
We do not need Stafford. We need Sexy Dexy. Give us Dexy #97, or give us Super Jeffrey Simmons #98 Lets go Skol!
NO THANKS!! Spend that CASH ON DT & OLINE
Adding stafford guarantees nothing. He was gifted a super bowl threw a terrible deep ball right to a san francisco 49er safety who flat out dropped it after it bounced off his hands and chest with no one near him and we are here talking about stafford finding jones in the flat and not throwing to addison lol
No way in hell we go for Stafford. It makes absolutely zero sense. One big reason is Staffords contract is massive and makes no sense to even sniff that
This is the dumbest trade proposal ever.
are you nuts, Stafford is not a worth it.
Stafford is one concussion away from being done! ABSOLUTELY NO ON THIS
Who isn't one concussion away from done? Lol
Not Tua that's for sure @@scottbaldock3363
@@scottbaldock3363 apparently Tua
@@jiordone8563😂😂
I Don't believe Stafford would take a job to compete in the North against the Lions !!!!
good point....but would he have a choice ? Is there a no trade clause in his contract ?
I don't know........Favre did it. He acually always liked the Vikings as a Packer apparrently. Maybe Stafford does too? Lol
NO. Stafford to the Vikes is reckless stupidity, not reckless speculation. He's too old and too expensive. Florio's scoops are usually disjointed from reality.
Use the money on other positions we need. Can't just ignore other missing parts to get another QB we don't actually NEED. Just my opinion
Stafford plays only the 1st quarter tomorrow because of undisclosed injury. We will have our trade answer.
True. A great QB wins the superbowl, dexter is great but he can't win a superbowl. 1 superbowl win in 50+ yrs of purgatory is worth it.
Why would we want Stafford???
Idkk
Cause he won a superbowl and ko was his oc
If the verbage of the playbook is very similar it could work, otherwise the first few weeks he's here would likely be trainwrecks
JJ would be like wtf!
Stafford is 80 in QB years!
Vikings fans are delusional if they prefer darnold over stafford for a potential superbowl run. Darnold literally never even played a playoff game and he's known to be terrible under pressure in REGULAR SEASON games. 😅
Stafford has like a million 4th quarter comeback, some against the Vikings. He's super clutch, Darnold is o.k. so far, but doesn't have the clutch factor. Kirk definitely didn't have that either
@@marknadolski1949Darnold isn’t great….. 1 passing TD through the last 10 quarters is BAD
Ultimately by uplifting the qb plays uplifts the offense and had a ripple effect to not have the defense out there as much to help them. So instead of us relying on one part of the ball we would be great on both sides
Actually, this is a great way to look at it. I don't think i ever thought about it this way. Insightful
This is all Florio's doing. He's apparently on the payroll of Stafford's agent or the Rams.
I think the most frustrating thing about Sam is when a play goes south, like a screen play gets blown up, he just dirts the ball after 2 seconds despite being under no pressure. It always seemed weird to me. You would hope he sits back for another second or two, or at least gives it a chance, and then throws it away if there's pressure or if nothing opens up. Seems like his brain just fritzes if he doesn't see what he wants off the snap, which will NOT carry a team to, and win, the Super Bowl
If I were the Vikings I would pass on a possible move for Stafford. Why upset the apple cart now? Instead, I would wholeheartedly inquire about a trade for Dexter Lawrence from the G-Men. That makes more sense! JMO ✌️
PD is falling into the clickbait trap especially Phil just throwing shock takes
Darnold the past 3 weeks has shown it’s gonna be tough to make a real run with him he’s holding onto the ball too long and not taking every shot he needs to
Agreed, they should bring Stafford in
@@user-wj9bz8xi9u Stafford is no upgrade, get real and actually is results and play. Outside of the 1 season with the Rams, he's been just another QB his entire career.
@@jiordone8563 He absolutely is an upgrade over Darnold. Compare their careers. He won 1 superbowl, I am assuming that is the season you are talking about as his "1 season".... How many seasons of success has Darnold had? Darnold has thrown for 3,000 yards once in his career. Stafford has 9 seasons of over 4,000 yards and two years throwing 41 touchdowns with the most recent being 2021- he threw for 3900 yards last year which is nearly 1,000 yards more than Darnold's career best. Darnold's career high in TD's thrown is 19.
@jiordone8563 wait, you think Stafford is not better than Darnold? The Stafford that won a superbowl few years ago
Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. So did Brad Johnson.
Are u crazy, this trade doesn't makes any sense , our future qb is waiting JJ
I'm not sure what I like more about Stafford. His age, injuries, or contract? sO HaRd tO ChOoSe...
Strike while the iron is hot eh?
They arent getting Stafford.
Would be VERY dumb.
I make a trade for Simmons, Lawrence, or Horn, and thats it if the price was right.
In that hypothetical trade u can trade darnold and rhe 26 3rd or 4th and the 25 and 26 first for the DT. Make both happen
Rams would be a good place for darnold to end up next year. Not saying hes going to be traded but it would be a good place for him to land.
He's a Cali boy too!
Well if the vikes do it rams get ed Ingram as part of the package
I would rather have jock itch
we break up the chemistry, we give the Rams their younger QB... Rams give us Stafford and a 5th for Darnold, or the phone is hung up... Darnold doesn't have to beat Mahomes or Goff for that matter... that's Flo and the defenses job... can Darnold beat the Lions, Chiefs, Ravens defenses? yes, I believe he can...
If this was madden, the conversation would make sense. But this is the end of October with major logistics issues. Bringing in Stafford with your bye week already gone, with a winning record, never playing with these teammates, his external family events, his cap figures AND GIVING UP DRAFT ASSETS?? That’s a Jets, desperation and completely chaos dumpster fire kind of trade to make. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for this team. AND it doesn’t make sense for them in the future either. If there was any merit to the deal, it could have been done in the off season very easily because he’s always been available. Why? His cap figures are insane! This is a competent organization and just something to laugh about.
No draft pick trade:
Darnold and Addison for
Stafford, Kupp and the rights to Aaron Donald contract if he comes out of retirement.
Defense is reason we are 5-1. Offense is reason we are 5-1. If we had an offense, we would be 6-0,
Defense wins championships... plus that's not a long term solution
Id rather have Lawrence but a pro about the stafford trade that should be mentioned is this: McCarthy is a sponge right now. A sponge who is learning behind Sam Darnold. A positive about bringing Stafford in would be McCarthy being able to learn from him
SINGAPORE FAN’S VIKING VALKYRIE PROPOSITION
You’re right. The Vikings need a better QB than Sam to reach the Super Bowl, let alone beat Mahomes and the Chiefs.
But Stafford? Nope. The hunger just doesn’t seem to be in him. I doubt he will ever play the way he did to win another ring.
YES, the QB is the first piece we need if we want to qualify for the big show this season.
But if we wanna go full Rams, this is what we need, at a minimum.
1. A quality QB …and dare I say…Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco are the only QBs available now who can swing it for us.
Rodgers? Unlike Stafford, he has the hunger.
Yeah, Favre burnt us.
But I bet a 3-month Rodgers is different because his use-by value, Anglo-Saxon work ethic, and acutely requisite super ego to go after a second ring remain intact esp if you throw in the prospect of proving everyone wrong.
What better way to go out burnishing his legacy by beating Mahomes and jettisoning Pat’s obsession with achieving a unique hattrick of consecutive 3-peats.
Flacco? Our insurance as a Nick Foles-like backup who knows how to figure out a win when the shit hits the fan.
Sam should be in the right role of playing back up instead of crazy cowboy wanna be Mullens, whose high throw prob jeopardised Aaron Jones’ health in having to leap too high to snag a poorly executed pass in London.
2. We NEED Dexter Lawrence.
Great as BFlo’s meshing of quality journeymen free agents, the Vikings need an Aaron Donald in the front four.
And the only one who best fits the bill is Lawrence.
3. We need a Jaylon Johnson too to fortify the Viking border at corner.
Gilly’s good sporadically but his heart somehow doesn’t seem to be in it 110 percent.
If we have all 3, draining our cap space and burning our draft capital twice over, we can beat the Chiefs if we meet them in Las Vegas for the final game of the season….And I won’t have to die before we win one. SINGAPORE JOE🥂🇸🇬🇺🇸🇨🇳🇮🇳🇲🇾
Darnold's been pretty clutch this season, so I'm not sure if Stafford is a considerable upgrade, especially at the price. I sure didn't have us going 5-1 after the most difficult part of our schedule.
We need to stop trading for old players.
You don't trade for Stafford unless they have no faith in JJ..and they do have faith...
Stafford for a partial year rental?....not hapoening
Superbowl though, this year. Do all that you can.
I'd rather look at defense.
Please, no on Stafford.
Break the bank for Dexter Lawrence instead!!
Bring Stafford in, draft picks are far from guaranteed to pan out.
There is no way I'm giving any draft picks along with Darnold knowing JJ is our guy starting next yeah. If anything I'm asking for a 5th plus Stafford knowing Darnold is their plan for the next few years.
Why not give it a shot and go for a superbowl, we have been waiting over 60 years, why continue waiting
@@user-wj9bz8xi9uStafford is old and get banged up quite often. Stick it out with Darnold and upgrade the D-line and or O-line. Darnold has done enough for us to give him a shot the rest of the way. Once Hock comes back the offense is going to open up a lot more.
@@johnathanscott8009 proven winner though and he is tough- he injured his shoulder stayed in the game and threw game winning touchdown. We know he can win. We have a great defense, he could be the piece to get us a Super Bowl.
If the Vikings and rams are in talks, it’s for Cooper Kupp.
Kupp for Hockenson, even up, if Jefferson’s ego wouldn’t be bruised.
@@Razorbacks1my sources say its for kupp.
@@dougspry3101 Am I your source? Lol!
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I think, despite the fact that we need help on RG and DL, Stafford could give us a a better shot this year and he would be a better veteran in front of JJ. And 4 Million guaranteed 2025... would be nice to have Stafford in `25 on the roster as a starter or even backup for JJ.
Best believe it if koc wants Stafford he will get him..
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Can you imagine if we trade for Stafford, beat Detroit in the NFC championship game and then win a Super Bowl before they do with the quarterback that they let go for the quarterback we just beat? Brutal.
Can’t believe you guys didn’t spend time entertaining the idea of what Stafford role after this year would be if they want to start with JJ next season.
What would that look like
How would this look to the team though? Would it be a locker room “wrecker”? Just gonna move on from a 5-1 QB? How would the team react? KOC has built a culture of trust and respect. Would the players feel douped if someone who has helped lead them to this start, is just shipped out. Would love to hear some thoughts.
Judd is saying the more important player is a d tackle upgrade. The question is can we win the SB with a d tackle upgrade and keep Darnold. Or get the d tackle and Stafford. I would take Stafford IF we got the d tackle too and it doesn’t hurt us too much financially
I thought O'Connell's over the top praise of Darnold must ring somewhat false with Sam knowing he was only here for one year, turning around a few weeks later and bringing in another guy might not sit well with the team..
Strong agree with Judd. No way you give up the first, Superbowl or not. Don't really see why they'd even ask for that!
Stafford gives us 10 times the chance to win a Super Bowl wtf??? How is Mackey legit asking that?
Stafford puts us in the ring guys. Make it happen seriously
@@Stiff_Richards really, based on exactly what, his stellar career? Do you actually watch him play this year? Do you actually look at his career numbers?
@@jiordone8563 kinda like Maholmes numbers? KOC won the bowl with Stafford. Are u dumb ?
Honestly, Darnold isn’t getting us deep in a playoff run and this season we’re up 5-1. Like this is the year to go for it
Agreed, go for it now and if it doesn't work out we have McCarthy. We should do this trade.
Stafford has not looked good. Rams podcasters are wondering if there's something wrong with his arm.
Exactly, stafford has a terrible o line and no receivers and they still won some games. The only issue is his age and injury prone.
@@lukelee3 Correct, imagine what Darnold's performance would be if he was with this Rams team. Darnold is showing signs of regressing back to his old form. He needs to make decisions faster, quit holding the ball. Look Addison's way more often. KOC needs to quit calling all the long developing plays and just run some short throws to get Darnold in a rhythm.
The problem here is how long it will take before Stafford can run this offense. Chemistry matters.
This is very doable. We shall see how each team plays these two possible trade assets tomorrow and that would give us a better understanding on the validity of this claim. Keep in mind…The Vikings or Rams have not rebutted these claims. 🤔
What I was hoping this year is actually that they would mix some plays in for him
I’m all in for this… Stafford is the better qb. Has experience. Familiar with the system and will be smarter with the ball.
I originally thought no way. But yesterdays show you guys mentioned that Darnold probably has reached his ceiling. Then i started thinking we have to think ahead to the playoffs - more than likely we play the Lions again in the playoffs. When that happens I would rather have Stafford then Darnold.
If you can't get Lawrence or Simmons, pull the trigger on Stafford and go turbo with this stacked offense to match the defense.
If you get Stafford and they win a superbowl or even if he just plays really well and they don't win a superbow, and he doesn't want to retire at the end of the year, the vikings can trade him in the off season for picks. I don't see a scenario where if they trade for Stafford now then the vikings are stuck with him for next year as well
The Vikings have a long history of bringing in old, past-their-prime QB’s … and how has it worked out for them? Moon … fun to watch but never came close to the SB, McNabb … total joke, Favre … one great year and then off the cliff. What we’ve seen from Darnold this year is that he’s not perfect , but the team as a whole is good enough to go toe to toe with any of the best teams in the NFL (yes, as much as it pains me to say it, I think the Lions are the best team in the league right now). There’s no reason to make a panicked short-sided move like trading for Stafford. Lawerence or Simmons would be a much better addition in my opinion.
So trade Stafford in the off-season after we win the Superbowl. That would make the pick worth more than what we gave the Rams. It's a win win.
Goessling and Alec Lewis both tweeted that they asked inside sourced, and that this is all horse shit. Move along.. and pray this isn’t a distraction before tomorrow’s game.
McCarthy is, in effect, a 2025 1st round draft pick.
He'll be three years younger than rookie QB Jaren Hall was, and with a year of acclimating to Minneapolis, to the staff, to teammates, etc.
I don't think trading Sam for Matt is that outlandish I know the Vikings are 5-1 with Sam also Jared Goff took the Rams to the Super Bowl so....
The Vikings just let go of Kirk Cousins because they felt the rest of the team was great and Kirk was Good and they felt "Good" wasn't good enough.
Listen man, if we can trade Darnold & a 2026 3rd for Stafford as a rental. I'd be all in. McVey can have peace of mind that he has a competent QB for some years & can continue to mold him. We can go on a run with Stafford & imagine a playoff game against Detroit with Stafford. Then we can hopefully get Simmons from the Titans & let's friggin go boys!!!
In the end JJ McCarthy is getting us a championship either way.
There is no question that Matthew Stafford is an upgrade over Sam Darnold. Matt was arguably the best QB last season and probably would have been MVP if he didn't miss three games (The Rams lost all three games he didn't play in and still had 11 wins). I think Stafford could win a ring with this team. Side note there is no way that the Giants trade Sexy Dexy, unless it was for multiple first round picks. We need them picks to draft Cornerbacks, a new Running back, and Safety. Yes, I'm saying draft a running back high because I don't want to see this offense with a bad running back after watching Aaron Jones, plus I think that running backs are going to see a resurgence in value with all the two high safeties being run and lighter linebackers. I want to keep the run game good to help a young QB in JJ when he starts.
Couldn’t we do both? 25 5th round with conditional 26 1st round for a SB win for Stafford? And then the 25 and 27 1st round for Lawrence?
I still think I’d like McCarthy sitting behind Stafford for the sake of learning vs Darnold.
I’m a Vikings fan. I had tge realization Sunday that the lions are the better team. The road to the superbowl goes through Detroit. The Vikings’ current roster can get them to the nfc championship game but cannot beat the lions in Detroit. Vikings need an impact defensive lineman and upgrade at the qb position to get to and win the superbowl. Darnold has played well this season but he is no Matt Stafford. If they could upgrade both position they’d be virtually unstoppable
I’m personally a fan of trading for Crosby. Him across from greenard would be scary.