Diets: Macros Vs Calorie Counting - What The Fitness EP 17
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I'm here because dr greg doucette told me to sub, great content
Hey he's my Doctor too!!
In Which video?
Love greg doucette
This didn't age well
Me too
Layne, you completely changed my view on food/calories. Thank you sir for not only laying out quality information, but backing it up with where it comes from. (copy/paste that statement for all the videos of yours that I have watched so far)
Well, I dropped my calories to below 2,000 and I’m losing weight even while eating carbs - guess I’m a calorie psychopath, Dave!
@@ChronicleContent well of course, it's not a fixed value, it changes depending on your levels of activity, lifestyle and however many other variables
@@ibrahimrodriguez3995 r/whoosh
For me I find it easier to track calories. If I miss a meal I know how many calories I can eat versus trying to figure out the macros. Super helpful especially when you're traveling or going to someone's house to eat.
Trackimg calories is more flexible than trackimg macros, because if You look at calories it doesnt mater if You eat 10% more or less some makros, if You keep protein high you will lose weight exc. Trackimg makros is basicly tracking calories, if You tracking makros just multiply by calories per g and You have sum. But tracking makros have one flow. For ex. If You go crazy and eat 50g fat more it not be sufficient to cut 50 g of carbs You must cut over 100 g carbs with is cauting calories. Simply tracking calories is much more flexible and tracking macros make you hit not 1 number but 3 seperate, with sometimes can be difficult when You go out exc.
One meal a day is great because it's easy and takes no effort 👍. Not a fan of fad diets but it works because it's easy to follow and any idiot can lose weight doing it. It's good for people who lack self control and can't be bothered to track all their calories and write everything down, weighing their food etc.
@@Adrien_bronernot optimal
@@przemysawj6499
And what if you end up eating way less protein on just calories in vs calories out basis?
@@pizzaparkerhotdogmaguire3225 read my comment once again. I wrote that you should eat plenty of protein. If you eat less protein nothing happens, if you cut a little calories because digesting protein burn more calories, but it is better to eat sufficient amount of protein.
I love the direction you're taking your channel. It's way more entertaining than the original videos while still delivering the scientific evidence based approach to diet and fitness.
Dave’s loves to talk about how when he was growing as a bodybuilder he would eat McDonald’s daily and NOT get fat.. wouldn’t those be “negative partitioning agents” and make him fat?🤔
Actually he talks about he would have one cheat meal a day which was usually one double cheeseburger to help him meet his macros and his other meals were clean.
johnny gladstone how does that differ from what I said?
And it 100% was not ONE double cheeseburger, I’ve listened to him talk about for years on RXMuscle. An300lb bodybuilder doesn’t eat one dbl cheeseburger
Dave had a faster metabolism than a normal human being, also dave was talking about the off season. We have to talk about the general public ...
Water Buffalo Training Method none of that has anything to do with the points of this video nor my comment
You are getting better at this. I believe TH-cam has taught you to communicate things to the masses more clearly. I really enjoyed this segment. Keep it up
I find it funny that when he goes into talking about the macro ratio, he says how you need to then adjust your carbs based on whether your'e gaining or losing weight. That is literally adjusting your calories based on what your goals are. Not only are you adjusting your calorie intake, you are then adjusting your macro profile too. It is a really dumb argument lmao.
Can you talk about Dr Jason Fung and Ted Naiman? They swear by fasting, hormones, and keto type diets. How can reputable Doctors keep ignoring calories and the law of thermodynamics?
Fung is a cult leader
Never heard of him but he sure sounds like a cult leader 😂
Super B Calories matter but macros and hormones also matter.
I don't think anyone considers either of them reputable.
Before I started really working out- when I was in my early twenties I lost 30 pounds. I ate egg whites, cereal, almond milk, weight watchers cakes, candy, turkey burger, green beans, and sliced cucumber with salt. It was SO unhealthy, but I only ate 1200 calories a day. 7 years later, I have kept the weight off. I eat healthy foods now, and I'm conscious of my calories, make sure I am eating enough protein. But I still eat a pretty high sugar diet. Apples, peaches, protein bars. I can't do artificial sweeteners so my protein bars have a good amount of sugar. I am hungry less often when I restrict my sugar intake, but I lost weight on a high sugar diet... Probably would have been more comfortable and less hungary had I chosen healthier foods, but.... According to this macros argument, I should have gained a boatload of weight.
And when he talks about having that brownie because you're under your calories, on Saturdays I would not eat all day so that I could go out to eat at night and get ice cream. I would eat my maintenance calories for the entire day in that 1 meal and it worked.
Lane told me to take 2 grams of testosterone and it doesn't matter if I eat clean!! Got it!! Thanks for the info!!
Dave's arguments gave me palumboism!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If you’re on a 500 calorie deficit and you don’t lose weight, you’re not on a calorie deficit! Easy peasy
"and anyone that wants to come on and debatethis with is welcome"
Layne: *ears perk up*🙃 say what!? Yeah, okay... let's do that... 😂
You could bring Greg "the doctor" Doucette with you
True
That email time song tho
Great video like always you ROCK !!! Brother Thank you for putting out these great videos
I remember having a convo with Layne about this back in 05 or 06 at the Arnold. There's been so much stupidity about this ever since. People just need a few physics and chemistry classes to understand the basics I suppose. Also, you just can't teach somebody something their IQ can't comprehend.
2:35 Another error: Weight Watchers uses a Points system which is influenced by a food’s caloric content but also adjusts for sugar, protein, and saturated fat. Also most fruits and vegetables are zero Points, meaning the participant can have them ad libitum (which is basically their way of encouraging more fiber intake.) I can’t speak to those other programs, but WW is not “a calorie is a calorie.”
Surely do a debate with Dave. Bro science from genetically gifted fitness industry people is confusing the crap out of people. People don't know who to believe.
I’ve never seen a video from this guy nor do I know who he is, but I know who Dave is and Dave couldn’t be more wrong. Macros 1000% don’t matter. Yes I like to take in more protein because your body uses more energy to break down Protein than the other 2 macros but I don’t care about my fat to carb ratio. Plus protein keeps you more full longer. Dave has used his method for years and doesn’t want to accept he hasn’t had to do this way this whole time.
It's all about calories in vs calories out but in the real world counting macros is by far the best method.
If I eat low protein processed garbage containing both carbs and fats I get fat easily....my NEAT is non existent.
If I eat high protein, high carb and low fat I can't get fat... i can't sit still, my body just wants to burn the calories off. The more calories I eat, the more I feel the need to move and do stuff
So yes, it's all about calories but the macros you eat massively affect calories out.
So I'd agree with Dave.
2 style of eating that work.
1. High protein, high carb, low fat
2. High protein, low carb, high fat.
Eating high fat and high carb together is a recipe for disaster.
Depends on what you want....
fat loss?
weight loss?
body comp?
performance?
........... You don't know Layne very well* do you?
@@pauljansen6650 I'm generalising, if you want to be specific then thats more complex.
But for fat loss or weight loss either approach works as long as the macros you choose put you in a calorie deficit.
If you want performance while losing fat then high protein, high carb and low fat is what I find ideal. This is basically similar to the vertical diet.
The same goes for type2 diabetics, you can actually fix type2 diabetes eating a lot of carbs and sugars ... that blows peoples minds . As long as you're losing weight (in a calorie deficit) over time you'll improve blood sugars over time eating a lot of sugar. Low carb diets for type2 diabetics is not needed.
Where is the debate?
Palumbo is damn crazy...
i use both. macros are useful in helping maintain a minimum level of fat, protein and fibre.
Hi layne, Could you possibly extrapolate maybe in another video, a short answer if possible, about the relationship between hormones, and fat loss, beause other scientific experts such as Dr Benjamin Birkman, discuss the relationship of how hormones, can affect this notion of burning fat despite being in a caloric deficit, and I'm still a bit confused. Thank you for the great content
Well, it's both isn't it. Calorie focus will absolutely determine weight loss, macro focus will more what kind of weight and overall health. And some foods have a much higher calorie cost than others. I agree that people who focus solely on calorie number are wrong, you need to focus on both. Layne has some good videos on this.
love this content !
I’m so glad you are setting the record straight when people put horrific content out there! I watched this video a few times because you absolutely destroyed him. Not to mention the information he was spewing was “Complete Horse Shit!” 🤣🙌🏽 #LayneForPresident
If you track macros, you track calories as you can simply convert Xg to Ykcal easily. (If you track calories, you may not be paying attention to the macro breakdown though.) Oh, Dave...
I like to think macros as a range instead of an absolute number. An article highlighting a study shows low carb or low fat it doesn’t matter for weight loss : examine.com/nutrition/low-fat-vs-low-carb-for-weight-loss/
Dr Ben Bikman will not agree with you as much as you don't agree with Dave.
if only dave himself would see this ^^
I stuck with this but it was very immature. Typical my phD is bigger than yours, my studies will crush your studies etc. Last video I watch. Its a real shame because I'm sure Layne's knowledge and experience is what we really tune in for.
Al Hemmings And calling calorie counting people psychopaths is adult like behaviour? This is TH-cam sir, so there's nothing wrong with some entertainment.
Layne has two videos that he posts weekly. One is the educational content you’re looking for which is on Wednesdays. No humor, just education. The other is this, literally the whole vibe of this series is the opposite to that. Maybe don’t watch this series and just stick to his educational series instead? 🤷🏻♂️
my friend met dave about dave training him, they met at a mcdonalds and all dave did was tell him which steroids he needs to be on nothing about past training diet history or anything else
Uh math is hard. Simple numbers over percentages for me 😂 Enjoyed the video! Just subscribed!
Lmao this intro was fire
Dr, I got a question. So if you’re in a deficit with enough protein. The body’s gonna automatically lose fat for the weight loss? Despite the fat / carb ratio? Cause we all know the body easily stores fat as adipose tissues instead of converting glucose to fat ( De novo Lipogenesis). So logically, having minimal fat (15%) for hormonal function and filling the rest with carbs for performance will provide the ideal process to store less fat while losing weight.
How's DPs skin.. doesn't have 300lb in there anymore... Ouch
For the algorithm!
I lost 54 pounds and never counted a single calorie or macro.
Drugs aren't food. Sounds like a challenge up me Layne.
12:53 why would that be the case?
Some evidence suggests that if you do not eat a variety of plant protein sources you will need more total protein to get sufficient amounts of amino acids such as leucine. For ex, if you eat only wheat protein you will be relatively low on lysine and it will be harder to hit the leucine threshold. However, if you consume a variety of plant based proteins or higher quality ones such as soy, you don't need that much more. RP recommends 20% extra protein over normal for vegans. So about 1g/lb of bodyweight is probably fine for most vegans if you are doing weight training.
When Dave said “ready to debate this with anyone” he said deep inside “except Layne Norton”
You should absolutely write a book about bro science versus research science in this vein of nutrition and gaining/losing weight.
Doc what do you think on muscle centric medicine?
Where does he get this information from? His claims are ridiculous! If you eat below your TDEE You will lose weight no matter what food you consume. Of course it’s wiser to eat More nutrient dense foods for Satiety, However that does not matter for fat loss. I would love to see you debate this guy!
Who gives a crap about lost or gained weight when what we should be concerned about is lost or gained muscle and or lost or gained fat.
This changes none of what I said
Positive partitioning agents? What. Da. Fark.
Yes, they’re real.
U should listen 2 dr Scott Connelly he says calorie counting Is nonsense !
Dave don’t want the smoke
so macros doesn't matter, calories does, or all matters?
Depends on what you want....
fat loss?
weight loss?
body comp?
performance?
Dave is the ultimate BroScience guy. It is so frustrating and he claims to have "wanted" to become a doctor. Not saying he couldn't make it through medical school, but dude is not intelligent by the standard logic/abstract reasoning IQ standards. Much respect to you Layne, I think I have see your stuff since I was on bodybuilding.com over 20 years ago!!! I saw this video between you and Dave and commented towards some of Dave's comments but he is a bonehead and thinks because he weighed 300 lbs and took boatloads of gear he knows all.
Calorie people? I’m triggered
Ahh, calorie counters, they are the worst 😒 Those maniacs.
I love how people talk like the body cares what you give it. The body will take bad food as well as it takes good food. It don’t give a fuck. That’s why you have a brain to make the right decisions. What a joke. 😂
He could be the next green goblin.
When you're just concerned with showing you're smart you miss the point of the topic.
BTW: if you think everything is a straw man argument, it probably means you don't understand what a straw man argument is.
I think the guy who literally "invented" palumboism shouldn't advise anything, at all, especially spitting such a ridiculous bolocks. Stay quiet Dave, you are already "famous", don't make it worse and worse :)
Oh my, where does this creep came from?
Isn't this hhh nutritionist
"Like a trump statement"or...."like a biolayne statement" identical analogies.
My way is better than your way because blah blah blah.
Flogging a dead horse “Calorie is a calorie”. I use to watch these videos in hope of learning something new. But it’s same old stupid shit where you are justifying sugar intake and taking on people who promotes low carbs diet.
Watch again with the goal of understanding....
Did you watch the entire video?
What's wrong with sugar intake?
Geez, talk about getting the whole conversation out of context by breaking down every sentence.
What an arrogant guy
Nit picking rant
and again you are wrong, very wrong. Dave is completely right.
I learned way more from this video than I expected. I love these Friday videos, thank you for creating them!
th-cam.com/video/wEPUCm2TwsA/w-d-xo.html
"These calorie people are psychopaths" LOL
I think Dave was clearly joking. This guy is just trying to hard to make Dave look like a fool
Chad Literally Nicholls so calling someone a psychopath can be considered as a joke?
Can confirm, I am one of those calorie people kekw
That's what convinced me the original video is some kind of clickbait.
Dave: calories don't matter
Also dave: when dieting you need to cut or add the amount of carbs (4 calories each)
Haha I was thinking the same thing... Upping/lowering carbs to assist body weight gain/loss is upping/lowering calories... *Face-palm
I find it really interesting that on days when I eat a whole salmon for instance, I tend to lose weight the next day. I know it’s anecdotal, but I swear the thermic affect of all the protein may have something to do with it. If I eat a steak or 98 lean meat, I don’t usually have this happen. I still don’t understand it totally. Maybe the body just likes to burn fish off better. Who knows.
@@MrGflan Gary Michael Flanagan fish doesn't break the law of thermodynamics. An overnight scale drop is definitely just water weight fluctuation, which happens when you drink less fluid or consume less carbs on any given day. That's a quick way to lose weight, but it's not fat loss. Fat loss takes months... Try recording your weight on myfitnesspal every morning upon waking. Add Mon-sun and divide by 7 for a weekly average. Every week you'll have more reliable figures to compare which direction your weight is really going
"If you use words like ALWAYS, you're ALWAYS gonna be wrong"
I've gone from 124kg to 72 kg just being in a calorie deficit with higher amounts of protein just for body recomp reasons .. I do ZERO cardio and just lift weight 3 days a week for about an hour to an hour and a half depending on my rest times I still have carbs and fats .. and if I'm under my calories for the day I will have that brownie .. its news to me that this doesn't work considering I have lost 52kg's (115 pounds) just staying in a calorie deficit and pretty much eating what I want as long as it keeps me under my calories for the day
Wow nice work. Any diet in particular?
How many calories a day?
I’m more impressed of your ability to instantly point out logical fallacies than your knowledge of nutritional science.
He's amazing at both
Im losing weight eating mocha latte's, burgers, tacos, and cheese quesadillas because I'm tracking in a deficit. Loving life and I'm not that much hungrier.
"I don't count calories i count macros"... so technically you do count calories because you eat less carbs or fat to lose weight right? Well that's a calorie deficit
Good stuff Layne, and I would love to see that debate.
Did you watch the debate.. proved layne wrong and made him look silly
@@Jessicafull1345 I saw it, but we think the opposite. In contrary to Dave, Layne kept calm and had solid arguments and backed them up by scientific papers.
Dave is the ultimate BRO scientist. He even thinks free weights cause a "different look" to a physique.
They do
Phil Heath and Dexter Jackson use probably 85% machines.. Could they really be that much better if they switched to majority free weight movements?
You have to employ more muscles for balance with free weights. I can squat a lot more weight on a Smith machine than I can with free weights. Just something to think about.
@@katherinerogers1901 Really? I squat more free weight than on the machines
Phil and dexter use machine more while dieting to save injury before shows .. they didn't get huge on machines
please do a what the fitness on autumn bates. she has a masters in nutrition and says calories in and calories out doesnt matter its all about your hormones and insulin level. she has an episode saying pb2 will make you fat because of the 1g of sugar and its not satiating where peanut butter is better.
Alan Ellis Wow, about time to return that 'masters' title
I think CICO is less relevant if your hormones, thyroid and/or insulin are in a mess. The body can be very determined to hold onto body fat or down regulate metabolism in these cases. All the more reason to get checked out, build consistency in your diet, wait a while and then seek extra help if it still isn't working.
Unfortunately I think the majority of these 'cant lose weight' cases boil down to either not being honest/informed about your REAL intake, or down regulated BMR's from yoyo-ing between chronic calorie restriction, binge re feeding and balls to the wall exercise programs.
Go watch dr greg doucette, he destroys that bimbo and all her bs
Al Hemmings In case someone has a slower metabolism for whatever reason, than the CICO rule is still valid. That person simply needs to consume less calories compared to someone without issues.
I recommend Head and shoulders shampoo sir
Or stop wearing dark shirts on camera
You're welcome
Head n shoulders suck
So this dude is fine with macros but for some reason has a problem with multiplying them? ? ? ? ? ? ?
When (sane) people say calories in - calories out doesn't work they are not suggesting that diet breaks the laws of thermodynamics. What they are saying is that you have massive problems accounting both sides of this equation, to the point that it is a useless guide to fat loss. Calorie counts in foods on one side can be wildly off, and calorie expenditure is regulated by lots of hormones that control fat storage, core temperature, mood and energy levels, not to mention the calories the body directly disposes of without even burning them.
Moreover, this CI/CO mantra has been used forever by junk food companies to imply that all calories are the same, so it doesn't matter what you stuff your mouth with.
I am absolutely floored this was coming from someone who has been in the game as long as Dave Palumbo. He should know better.
Such a breath of fresh air in the nutrition world. Please...Keep doing what you are doing good sir. Your information is very much needed by everyone.
I REALLY hope he has that debate, I love it when layne destroys someone who is just selling bs
Pretty intresting... I've been fat through my childhood, I'm a mezo-endomorf guy, yet now I eat chocolate, pastry while always paying attention to my calories, and I have a six packs. Guess Im a magician than.
Well... you conplained about strawman arguments and did exactly just that built strawman. Also in Only carb/protein argument you totaly neglected the whole musclebuiling/sparing effect of protein. And more musclemass=more overall caloriesurplus
Imagine looking like Dave Palumbo.
How does this guy have a platform
Would love to see you roast Dave Palumbo. Felt like I was losing brain cells as he kept talking. CALORIE DEFICIT MEANS YOULL LOSE WEIGHT. Of course someone isn’t going to eat 2000 calories worth of carbs or 2000 calories worth of protein. Ridiculous.
Damn, that shit was hard to watch
He has doubled down on this by posting a seminar done my Dr Scott Connelly, I do not have a degree in nutritional sciences and I already saw the flaws Layne will expose..... Please do a breakdown of the videos pleeeeease!!!
Edit: Worth noting, Dr Scott Connelly is a doctor of.... wait for it..... anesthesia! XD
That's some solid bro science xD
I love what you are doing with these vids. When I am tempted to change tactics due to what someone convincingly states is correct I just think of all your lectures and am back on the straight and narrow. No wonder people get confused with these charlatans. It’s a wonder they don’t get sued. Thanks 🙏
Do a debate!
Great info response !
Well since we didn't get to see Ferguson vs. Khabib (for the 5th time)
Might as well see this awesome topic get slayed by both Dave & Layne!
I'm sure he'll be open to it.
Views are important right now ☺
Love your content Dave. Just noting that you meant to say prednisone was Cortisone not cortisol which is a different hormone.
So good! Layering in the logical fallacy/cognitive bias in the statements he’s making, makes this breakdown even better.
First he says how tracking calories is stupid and then goes on to recommend a very specific intake of protein per body weight unit (which is a predetermined amount of calories), a very specific intake of fats per body weight unit (which is a predetermined amount of calories) and a non-specific amount of carbs "based on an individual metabolic needs", which just translates as "however many calories you need to stay in a deficit (if you want to lose weight) or be in a surplus (if you want to gain muscle).
Well " eating in a caloric deficit will lead to weight loss".... what do you do when you are a idiot (like me) lost a bunch of weight on 1400-1500 cal a day, but now you stall for a month at 1200-1400( i know i went to low but i don't feel hungry) cal a day and still have 20kg to loose? I went from 122kg to 94 kg in 4 months doing omad, i do 1h cardio a day and 3 day split weight training.