In Desert Storm my US Marine M60a1 tank had empty-inert reactive armor blocks on the sides of the turret. Only the front slope and turret front had real reactive armor with explosives in the blocks. There was a shortage and so our M60's were not fully covered in ERA.
Why was there a shortage? My dad was driving some old truck (Nam era I think) as an fuel truck driver in the Army. And it had heat, though no AC. And a Gaurd unit in my state deployed with modified Freighliner FLDs. So I get, that Uncle Sam has his way of doing things. All that to say, I'd like an in depth answer than some robotesque reply that such a question can elicit from the non combat and combat veteran alike.
Due to the lack of visible damage, my guess is that before it was captured the Russian crew sabotaged the tank to the point that it could not be easily repaired. If that was the case the only real use to Ukraine would be for spare parts like you said. Otherwise why not put the tank back into service for Ukraine? If they were that in need of parts it wouldn't make sense to cannibalize a T-80BVM unless it was otherwise unusable. Edit: The removal of the parts was not the sabotage. The parts were only removed because the tank was unusable. Otherwise Ukraine would have just used the tank.
@@ligametis if you are gonna left your vehicle or any military equipment behind the enemy lines without chance of recovering it in few hours, standart procedure would require to make it unoperational from WWII.
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
So... their tanks ARE fully equipped, as designed? But they’re still popping their turrets off and incinerating their crews... so not even solving endemic Russian corruption would fix their military. Ouch.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 the turrets blowing of doesnt matter since most of The Time the ammo is struck and a small ammo cookoff happens which later leads to an explosions giving the crew about 10 seconds ta bail out and run. And second tanks arent everything you know, ukraine hasnt had tanks for a couple of months now and yet they are still doing pretty well
@@grendal113 Open the Wikipedia page. ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Т-72Б3 There it is written in black in Russian that the operator is Russia, and that's it. No one else has spare parts to ensure the working condition of the tank. During the Second World War, there were no such systems in tanks as a ballistic computer, a night vision device, etc. The radio station was the most difficult. As a rule, mechanical parts or optics were required for repair, therefore, captured tanks served for decades. Now half of the tank's functionality is electronics, which cannot be replaced so easily. A tank that doesn't work is useless and worth nothing.
Agreed. We need to be critic about the information we are getting from said war, because PLENTY of misinformation is being spread with the sole purpose of misinforming either side. For the same money Ukrains sees this, doesn't look up the facts and think russians don't use ERA in their bricks and misengage because of it. Be verry carefull from ANY claim you see on the internet untill it is proven correct. (It's the main reason why i don't watch the news anymore because it's just misinformation RN)
To follow the same line of thought, one could also say, "Look, the Russians sent their tanks into battle missing bolts". Thanks for the calm and impartial analysis.
Simply manufacturing explosives isn't expensive, however running quality control to ensure your explosives don't routinely kill your own forces is very expensive
50/50 Russia has an infamous history of ignoring development of local chemical industry. It's bad, really really bad. The development of local processing plants should always be a priority, but Russia was content to just sell raw resources and not do anything from it even in soviet times. As for enough explosives... half of soviet explosive used in WWII were lend leased. That means explosives for industrial mining, propellant for bullets, shell filler, bombs and engineering charges. Half of all of it. And when the war was over did priority to fix the deficit in chemical industry was realized? No! It never did. Chemical industry received even less attention then light industry. It's also part of the reason Russia is stuck in rentier state psychology that fuels authoritarianism on its soil:(
@Tarzan When your private conscriptovich being paid almost nothing and you can get a few dollars for a piece of explosives.. well I guess your not a russian conscript.. these guys have sod all
Protection manufacturer "NII Stali" declares that Relict's dynamic protection also includes polyurethane rubber plates, which turns a failed ERA block into a miniature NERA block, giving up to 100mm resistance from a cumulative jet. You can also find photos of this tank abandoned on the march until March 3 with a damaged Sosna-U sight. Also, the author of the video showed a little what is happening inside the car, it is very looted, there is not even a gunner's seat. Draw your own conclusions from this information.
Russians use Rubber just like Ukrainians used the Ghost of Kiev to shoot down 6 million Russian aircraft. These channels are paid spreaders of misinformation and shame on anyone who takes claims out of the Ukraine side as anything other than propaganda. -one million man army -kherson offensive -brave defenders of snake island -totally safe and effective
What’s the conclusion then? Ukrainians took out ERA plates without their steel containers to just stickyband them onto T72M they are getting? Relict is a count imitation of kontakt V , hence along side rubber , if it even has one and you are not making up , has to be parallel with explosive element , which has to have 50-100 gr of explosives .
Too be fair, this 100mm of protection is negligible when considering the strength of most shaped charge ammunition. At most, it'd probably only protect against shoulder-fired munitions (excluding the Carl Gustaf).
@@shanemcdowell3628 If there is an opportunity to get an additional chance for salvation, then it is better to use this chance, especially since it costs nothing.
RedEffect is good at bringing out the truth, so that people don't underestimate or overestimate things that, for example, the mainstream media talk about. The best source of information
Highly probable is that since it's capture in march (everyone happy now?), this particular tank saw no action whatsoever. Ukraine operates T-80 too. Everything that was of high value: machine guns, optronics, explosive fillings in the ERA, ammunition, road wheels, etc. were cannibalized for use on Ukrainian made T-80s.
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
It makes sense that the missing explosive is used for IED manufacture. I doubt missing explosive is used to armor other tanks, as if that was case, the entire pack of reactive armor would be taken, not on the explosives within it.
Explosives in era are super hard to set off and probably wouldn't be very good for IED's they're designed to not go off from stray small arms fire and can be seen looking just fine even after a tank has been burnt out
Explosive is used in ERA, neoprene is used in NERA. Explosive and ammunition are usually removed rapidly from captured or abandoned vehicles, to avoid them being scavenged by unauthorized personnel and because it usually makes transport and storage more challenging (logistic-wise, you are not handling a vehicle, but hazardous material).
@@jamesrowlands8971 Okay, then why put rubber into the enclosure? Unless the person taking the video planted it in there to try to spread misinformation, of course.
The whole non-sense about T-80BVM not having ERA elements reminds me of defected Mig-25 story, when Soviet traitor Belenko flew brand new jet to Japan. After the jet was taken apart by intelligence services, some western journalists were allowed to take a look. One nonsense that they came up with was the claim that Soviet jets did not use ejection seats because the one in the stolen MiG was apparently removed during analysis by intelligence service members.
Yeah,the West was scared of this " new absoletly crazy " plane but once looked into it everyone realised its only feat is that it can go fast in a straight line,otherwiser utter shit.
If we do an autopsy on that journalist. We would probably find the brain along with all organs missing then. We can therefore conclude he is a brainless Mummy.
The rubber padding is there to reduce vibration in the explosives of the ERAs, preventing them from detonating... so they only detonate from a hard impact. You don't want them going off, because you started the engine, or dropped a hammer on it.
I think they* might've removed the explosives for safety reasons. Useful parts were stripped, but the ERA wasn't left loaded probably in case it degraded or was accidentally activated. *= the Ukrainians when storing/stripping the tank
@@arsarma1808 As others have previously said, if it's being used for parts and the Ukrainians needed the explosive elements of the era, they would take the entire unit not just part of it.
@Paul Thiessen These explosives (ERA, ERAWA) are not degrading over time, it also don't explode by fire, electricity etc, these are passive explosives, throw it into fire and nothing will happen, it only can be triggered by high energy impact, even .50 cal won't work on them.
It's good to see someone going to the effort to verify these kinds of claims, so thank you for doing that. Some of us would prefer to get facts rather than propaganda, it's just a shame that there is so much misinformation out there to try and sort through.
During this conflict we can at least see the truth or the "other side of the story" unlike when there was a war in Yugoslavia where we Serbs ate babies for breakfast and the muslims and croats planted tulips singing kumbaya. War is hell and I wish no one experience it.
@@abc-eq9so you’re absolutely right. Serbs didn’t eat babies for breakfast. They just didn’t spare them, as well as women and old people. Nice try crowbarring your guilty conscience out there though. Some of you never seize to amaze for the lack of apology and deep denial. But you sure compensate in logical fallacies in general, and relativization of guilt in this particular case.
Wow.. a man who actually looks into something and fact checks !! WELL DONE SIR ! your great investigative work has just gotten another subscriber! Thanks 👍
this is a gasket that looks like simple rubber, it’s not like these layers of dynamic protection really jam the blows of RPGs, and any other grenade launcher, due to this, a dynamic jet sings, from the fact that there are rusty tracks on the tank, which means he fought, and did not stand in crease.
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
As a special weapons engineer I can vouch for why you have found rubber plates inside your tank good sir! The rubber plates are actually just silicon plates. The reason is due to the fact that silicon can't be burned, try for yourself, buy a propane torch lite it up expose the flame to the silicon and let it burn for 1 hour maybe 2, except it won't actually burn at all it will not change its appearance or durability at all, good day sir!
Can the silicon be used for heat protection for rockets or capsules returning into the Earths atmosphere. Is the material a silicon carbide type? Ceramics?
@@chaosXP3RT these dudes always fighting some sort of establishment, it doesn't matter anymore. It's like "I support the current thing" but in reverse.
Surely if you’re going to cannibalise the era for another tank, you take the whole block, not just the explosive panel inside… I mean, that would mean they have the rest of the parts to make Kontact 5, which is unlikely.
@ANIME RADIO did the Russians also take the bolts out of everything else ? Did they take the cast iron hatches with them on the run ? Then in to old pictures after it's capture why do we see all ERA covers still on there when clearly every bolt was taken out..
@@RealUMGaming you must not have watched the entire video my man... He literally has photos of this tank in in Ukrainian flags after capture with hatches and ERA intact... Russians didn't do shit to this tank.
Okay, the vehicle was looted by its Ukrainian captors and was cannibalized for spare parts, The Ukrainians have lots of similar (reactive armor) on their various and it could be mounted there, that is nothing new. It might also be recycled for various forms of IED's. Glad to see someone showing the Russian side though. As Winston Churchill said, the first casualty in war is the truth.
It rather looks that was original state of vehicle. Rust and other damages are obvieus indicatirs that this tank was neglected in service. Whole tank looks like was in bad shape long before was sent to war.
These setups, known as NERA (non-explosive reactive armor), use an intermediate layer of an inert material, for example rubber, which deforms the plates on impact. The effect is not quite as high as with the explosive version, but tandem shaped charges can also be affected.
Good video...also notable the bolts that hold the ERA together are missing completely (not just off to the side as if the maker of the video just took them apart). Also, no machine guns left.
I love how every video Red posts the comment section is progressively filling up more and more with Pro-Russia refugees that had to flee to any safespace they can find.
well when ukrain runs out of soldiers they need every single piece of oportunity for propaganda to keep going or self your own soldiers will run away and even western weapons wont make them come back
Bruh the pro ukrainians and anti russian trolls are way more than us and we are real refugees you wouldnt see us in a f*cking maybach like some ukrainians ,,refugees"
They're five months deep into a two week special operation. You have to desperately search for any space to cope in if you had to take L after L like they have for months.
Markings show that this tank once belonged to the 200 Arctic MRB from Pechenga. The brigade was roughly handed in the advance on Kharkiv, suffering heavy losses including its commander, and then was withdrawn and rebuilt with sailors, volunteers etc (very Wehrmacht 1945-ish) and sent back. It was almost destroyed in the Ukrainian offensive in September 2022. Not sure where it is now.
Here is another thought. Back in my working days, part of my work was marketing EFP warheads. I remember reading and hearing about ceramic plate efp protection. It was stacks of ceramic plates separated with some material. It would disperse the energy of the incoming efp so that when it eventually hit the metal of a tank it could not penetrate. Not sure if rubber would do the same thing but I saw other material there in the video. But in the end….. whatever it is….. it is not working.
If you intend to reuse the explosives it seems simpler to take the whole box, but if you are making the tank safe for disassembly removing just the explosives is more plausible. Having workers crawl all over a tank covered in explosives with power tools seems less than safe I would say.
Oh God, it is the onest vodeo, where "RUBBER IN THE RUSSIAN TANKS!!!" So, what about, that ukrainian soldiers take blocks of dynamical deffenders, to present us, after, that "it is no dynamical deffenders in russian tanks"...
In addition there is such a thing as NERA or Non-Explosive Reactive Armor. It turns out if hit with a HEAT jet the rubber expands because it is chemically the same as rocket fuel. The rubber is obviously part of the ERA but may be something else than just a dampener.
That vehicle is probably a trianing vehicle not re-configured before being sent to active duty . Era isn't normally fitted for training duties for obvious reasons -you don't want expensive dangerous equipment around trainees the trained guys are dangerous enought.
I suspect the explosives were there when the tank was captured. Look at 3:25 and you can see that all the bolts of the panels are removed. If there were no explosives in them you might open a few and then stop when you do not find any explosives that you can use. It is in my opinion more likely that all are opened if there are explosives there. It could be somont that did did open all to make sure no explosives are left or it could even be the bolt was needed somewhere else.
@@target844 why would ukrianian looters swap the era with rubber? It's an abandoned tank, they would just take the ERA and not replace it with anything
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor If I understand this video correctly the explosives is not replaced with rubber. The rubber we see should be there. There should also be explosives and they missing, nothing has been added. Look at 1:50 in the video
The characteristic yellow tail number T-80BV M - 659 falls into the frame, which immediately puts everything in its place. The T-80BV M with this tail number was lost in the very first days of the special operation (March 2) in the Kharkiv region, after which it was captured by the AFU and even managed to serve the enemy for some time, was damaged and, for lack of repair, was dismantled. And after 5 months, the Ukrainian agitprop decided to use the skeleton of this tank in its ridiculous propaganda. Please note that during this time, literally everything was twisted from the tank - explosives from the ERA modules on the tower and hull, charges of smoke grenade launchers "Cloud" and even the sight "Pine-U". The Ukrainian army could have gotten their hands on modules with one of the most advanced Russian-made "Relict", but instead they preferred to get explosives out of it and "jam the fish".
You are assuming that this tank was still worth operating. If say that optic was damaged then it becomes another t-80 for spare parts of TDF or national guard.
@@terrynewsome6698 Most of the T80s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have long been converted to diesel... So I have no idea where they could use the T 80BV M spare parts. They were able to get a tank, with a new gun (and in Ukraine, tank guns have not been produced or chrome-plated for 30 years), with a new ERA, and a good firing system. I believe that it was necessary to continue to exploit. I do not know for what reason this tank was decided to be disassembled, since apparently the hull remained intact, there were no problems with the gun and the firing system (otherwise why would they remove something that does not work?), and there was also a full set of ERA. If there are problems with the engine, then it was possible to do what they already practice in the army of Ukraine, changing the engine and transmission... As far as I have read, the only difficulty is that it is necessary to replace the engine compartment of the tank by using welding and manual labor, but they had almost half a year for this, they could have carried out the necessary modernization... It confuses me that they did not completely remove the ERA blocks, for the purpose of further use, but simply took out the explosives, which simply crosses out to the further use of the ERA. These explosive packages cannot be installed in Contact 1, or other containers used in Ukraine, and the explosive itself has no value! Because of this reason, we in Russia joke about the fact that Ukrainian mechanics simply stole explosives so that they could then go fishing and jam the fish!
@@Mr.Byrnes That is, you drew parallels between the death of people and the detonation of the ammunition, with a joke about the fact that mechanics in Ukraine, for some reason, took the explosives, without the ERA blocks themselves, in order, apparently, to go fishing??? No, we are not joking about how a tanks tower flew off, because 80% of all jokes, in this case, will concern tanks and crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And we are not Fascists to savor the death of people, unlike Ukrainians, who savor the death of people, long before February 24. So no, we don't do that!
Damn it, dude, you're cool, you didn't know that the West would be interested in this, I subscribed to the original author of the tanker of Ukraine, he kept silent on such questions, even the moment with the nuts loose looks strange, it's even clear from the tracks and wiring inside the tank that the car has been disassembled for a long time, Hello from Russia
Corruption. Saving on ERA allows generals to pocket hundreds o thousands of dollars. Also, the fires in deep Russian weapons, ammo, and fuel depots are very possibly for cover quantities different than stated in inventories. Corruption, corruption everywhere in Russian armed forces...also in the USA, but here they can be investigated and sanctioned.
Yes, seems like a padding would be useful between your turret and the ERA or they could be aware that the tank design is flawed and having explosives detonating on the turret has less than desirable effects on the shells right up under the ERA.
I immediately noted the rust on the tracks so knew it hadnt been used for a while, but it did remind me of early in the war when they found the Russian ERA bricks containing common sand and egg carton like spacers to maintain the block shape, and some didnt even have the sand just the spacers.
@@carta8399 Yes, they were dummy explosive bricks with regular sand due to graft in the Russian factories. Not the first time and the worst case was Russia having to scrap three completed Proton-M space launchers because the gold thermal insulation had been nicked and replaced with other metals during construction at the Voronezh Mechanical Plant.
Was wondering how long it would take you to make the video after seeing the original post. That being said, it doesn't make tons of sense that ERA blocks have been methodically emptied of explosives while putting back rubber rather than completely thrashed. It also makes sense that Ukrainians would have just discovered it now, as they are checking on their state to install it on the T-72 variants supplied from other countries lacking ERA. Similarly, since it was captured on the 3rd of march, it was likely one of the first tanks going in and nominally was going in for the training. It is entirely possible that tech preparing it were not informed that it would be seeing real combat and did not put explosives to avoid ERA going off and killing everyone around with fragments.
A doubtful conclusion in this video. In the original video the Ukrainian soldier comments that the empty slots (those with no rubber incerts) are not only empty, they also look like there was nothing there EVER (i.e. from the factory). Also, IF the captured tank was canibalized for spare parts for other Ukrainian tanks (and it probably was), why taking only explosives from the dynamic armor and not the whole units of that armor? Are you suggesting that the tank models with no dynamic armor what so ever need explosives ONLY and not the whole assembly? And if Ukrainians indeed have for some reason removed the explosive elements why do they put metal covers back in place and not just left them open? ;) My point is: don’t underestimate Russian level of corruption, state theft, cynicism and stupidity! ☝️🤓
@@Mal101M How do you imagine REPAIRING a REACTIVE armor unit by removing just an explosive part from another unit. Are you suggesting the casing of a used one is still intact? 😁
Your entire argument here is based on the idea that every Ukrainian *must* have perfect decision making while every Russian *must* be stupid. There's no chance that the Ukrainians could have screwed up and had a brain fart, but a 100% chance that Russians went in with a tank that was already rusted and conveniently missing many of the parts and bolts that would be canabalized? Your last sentence shows way more bias than the video. The Iq requirements of soldiers aren't high, especially when they were literally asking for volunteers.
This tank was not equipped with an era on the roof and front of the turret. You may not believe it, but it is a fact. All roof covers have been removed in search of an era. But there were era plates on UFP. And this is far from the only case of this, I have seen at least 5 t72b3 with the same problem, we ourselves completed them with era plates. The problem is that such cases are not provable. Everyone can tell that it's fake, even if you open the covers of the era in live broadcast mode. You can always say - "you prepared and removed them in advance" 😁 It is very difficult for Russian viewers to accept criticism of their technique, often they do not even realize in what terrible technical condition it ends up in our trophies. I'm already used to this reaction, but time will tell)
Как раз таки "критицизм" это хорошо, потому что люди не принимают на веру всë что говорят им в интернете. Есть фото с 72кой которую завешали брëвнами и мешками с песком, есть кучи фоток с "козырьками" и техникой а-ля буханка с буквой z, так что уродских эрзац вариантов у ВС РФ хватает, тут даже спорить никто не будет, просто конкретно в твоëм видосе это выглядит не убедительно, ибо вся внутрянка выдрана, ты сам делал акцент на этом, следовательно, могли напиздить и взрывчатки из ДЗ. Танк захватили в марте, хотя ты вроде говорил, что захватили недавно. А когда где то начинаются подобные недомолвки, очень сложно человеку после такого верить. В обзоре на Т72 ты очень хорошо показал, почему Сосна-У откровенно говоря параша. В видосе про ходовку, ты был убедителен, ибо даже видеодоказательства того что 72ка "разувается" вполне себе имеют место быть. А тут чë то как то не то.
for those who are asking why they removed the explosive charges but not the whole era and tank, they did it on purpose for propaganda. ukraine uses the russian equipment while making it look like russia's weapons are incomplete. the tank was not directly used because of crews sabotaging and disabling the tank Edit: I forgot to mention, there is this thing called nera, which is basically a cheap replacement for era while not being as effective. It can be that the nera was being tested directly with this tank
@@w_elder2199 Point being he's unlikely to spread propoganda on his own, as far as I know active duty soldiers don't exactly tend to do that. Though, he could missunderstand something about the ERA on a said tank, no cap
My question is thus; if they're taking the explosives out to use them in other ERA, *why did they not just take the intact ERA package, dismantle it, and put it on a Ukranian tank?* ERA packages don't contain enough explosive to be worth salvaging the explosive from for other purposes if they really do need the ERA packages for their own tanks as you put forth. Given Ukraine uses T-80s, has produced them since the UD variant, wouldn't the ERA package be more valuable intact, given it's more than just the explosives that get damaged when the system activates? Kind of a flaw in the logic there.
I think your thinking of the T-64, I think they did inherit a few T-80s and 72s after the breakup but the main thing they got was the factory's to produce the 64
@@josephmontanaro2350 Ukraine inherited 300 T-80UDs when Soviet Russia broke up. They sold off a few, but still have most of them. The Ukranian T-84 is a welded turret T-80, even
My Russian/Ukrainian isn't good anymore, but from the original video, it sounded liked and talked about it like he explains what they took from the tank and what's left. That's why he films the inner compartment and says "we took" and so on. But if I misheard please correct me with the accurate timestamp.
Nothing odd really, common practice for Ukrainian side, they were scraping PKT, converting them into PKM-like MG. Fine practice, especially when the said tank is out of service
Well in that first picture of the tank captured it still appears with all the valuable parts still on. I mean I doubt removing the sight and everything is a 20 minute job, and carrying those around while escaping the area where you abandoned your tank would be a bit silly.
@@freetime5803 Idk. The ERA panels are missing screws. And then maybe the Ukrainian forces captured the tank and decided to further cannibalize it. A lot of possibilities, tbh.
if you look at the images that from march when the tank was already captured by ukranians it still had all that shit on it, commanders hatch, turret sights, the headlight etc., so your theory is debunked immedietly
It really irks me how much people are willing to believe that Russians have all of the equivalent design elements and ideas as Western tanks, but are somehow missing the ONE THING THAT MAKES IT WORTH ANYTHING. Like, they don't even believe that Russia just has bad design from the start, they literally think Russia has the same idea as the West but must be so incomprehensibly stupid, that they would ignore the thing that gives the tank armor in the first place. Like, how do they even think the Russians are able to build tanks in the first place? Or, how are the Russians able to get jets off of the ground if they're that stupid?
@@mrkeykush693 airforce can't do much in an infantry based fight? Tell that to nato... who always uses their superior airforce to destroy all strategic targets and provide airsupport to advancing ground forces....
@@a.t6066 in Vietnam USA lost 10k planes and helicopters against semi modern air defence systems and still lost the war. Russia obviously doesn't want to sacrifice thousands of planes to knock out Ukrainian air defences And all other wars NATO fought were against goat farmers with machine guns on a trucks as their best weapons. So bad example buddy
They disassembled it. Removed the explosives. And then put everything back together? Why go through the trouble? Maybe it was empty before they opened it.
The TLDR is that this tank was captured early in the campaign, and has been stripped of all useful spare parts and munitions (including the ERA) and left abandoned afterwards
People if the tank truly didnt had an era to show it you wouldnt need to open every single one of blocks, showing one or two would prove your point, if the ukrainians want to prove this why havent they made a video, no edits, on how they open era and find if its empty or not, all we see are pictures and videos after it had been opened. Why they took only the explosives is a mystery for sure but in no way disproves this video or any other theory.
Corruption. Saving on ERA allows generals to pocket hundreds o thousands of dollars. Also, the fires in deep Russian weapons, ammo, and fuel depots are very possibly for cover quantities different than stated in inventories. Corruption, corruption everywhere in Russian armed forces...also in the USA, but here they can be investigated and sanctioned.
@@Bacanalable yeah i already made my argument and then you cime at me with no logic surw thers is corruption but taking out the era and selling it wouldnt make you much profits also its the era if you are going to atral from the ay you will steal sh*t nobody would notice or that would not harm your capabiloties. As i said why did they take out all of the era if they wanted to peove its true they need to open one or two or better yet do it live with no edit on video. Why dont they just film a video of them opening them on camara showing us ? Why do they show us videos and pictues after they have already opened them ? Destroyed russia ammo depots are either hit by ukriane or have had an accidental detonation its pretty common thing ukriane had a few explosions before the conflict began.
@@Silver_Prussian they took out nothing, those are bought empty. There are several fuel depots far from Ucranian borders burning with nobody seeing or hearing a missile, but initiated from inside the bases. Remember that even Putin had corruption charges at the beginning of his career. Also remember the Pansir and other trucks with cheap tires immobilized because of broken-down tires...or the 40 km trucks and tanks convoy stopped because they haven't fuel.
@@Bacanalable uhhh no there is no such fuel depots bruning i dont knkw where you get that info but its not true No panstir had a problem with his tires nor was the 40km convoy stoped dew to fuel issies like wtf are you even talking about ?
Your title is what would make ppl think that 😂 I would immediately think it was cannibalized but Russia is known for not having any brains when it comes to weapons and fighting. They did make a cope cage after all 😂 thinking that would stop a javelin 🤦♂️ so wouldn’t put it past them to try rubber to stop rounds!
The cage actually is a good idea, cages like that are used on various tanks across the world, the cages stop chemical rounds because the chemical round detonate on impact so they don’t penetrate the Armor, but it certainly wouldn’t stop a javelin
Thank you very much for not taking the bait on the "rubber" video. I keep seeing people claiming Russia is cheap and uses only rubber on their tanks as 100% fact. This video of yours shows honor for using your intelligence to debunk that nonsense. I am anti war. I support neother country but I highly appreciate your objectiveness.
It wouldn't be out of the question. Corruption in the Russian government is well known and documented. I wouldn't doubt if this this tank didn't have era in it. No one stopped to think that it's possible that all the boxes were open because they were checked for explosive parts?
I read this is a good addition for obsolete Soviet tanks, they increased the survivability of tanks 2-3 times! Of course, this is not Abrams, but various conflicts, especially the Middle East, have shown themselves well!due to the curtain and the arena system, the issue is moot! But it also seems to work not badly, since the Russian Federation lost less T-90s in Ukraine! And the main anti-tank guns are now javelins and NLAV
Russia only deployed a small number of T-90s. Did not want to be embarrassed, with its prime tanks being destroyed. Who would have thought that covering a tank with explosives was not a good idea. Russia is up to its 5th generation of ERA. Have they bothered to test the ERA.
Thanks for smashing out the propaganda. It makes it hard to observe the conflict with all the lies being spread, but I think that’s the point right? If it was so easy then the guys fighting would know too much? But in the same hand how does it help Ukrainians to falsely claim Russian tanks are weaker than they actually are? That would make them harder to kill with that form of underestimation right? Idk.
The trails of destroyed Russian tanks can pretty much tell you who's better trained at Tank warfare. Then again Russia had a few successes with their battalions.
@@stranger6797 With the training from NATO, Support of Drones and other NATO equipment. Also knowing some Russian tankers are dumb with no infantry support. I think Ukraine has some tank capabilities.
@mirage_panzer2274BM Oplot isn’t the same as T-80U lol. That’s beyond oversimplification. That’s cope 😭. It’s like calling the M1 original the same as the M1A2C/V3 the same exact tank. Or the Leopard 2 and Abrams the same because they both spawned from the MBT 70… It’s not correct, or logical analysis.
Interesting video. Can't really prove the missing tile components were missing due to being removed for the video OR if they were noticed missing when the tank was cannibalized, then filmed. We'll likely never know. Best way to confirm the quality of the Russian tanks is to have them surrender and allow for a proper inspection to take place. Slava Ukraine! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@@alainlefebvre9860 Well, yes. Most bets are off. That's how actual war looks like. When attack a nation with some serious capability you will lose something. Also keep in mind that all the Russians did so far was while severely outnumbered.
I was an explosive breacher. We use rubber to tamp and buff the charges for metal doors. The pressure from the explosive essentially turns the rubber into a fist which pushes down the door. Don't know if it'll do the same to tank armor, but can't imagine it would help the tank. Perhaps by distributing the blast over a wider area. We did the same with IV bags and the pull off Popsicles, called a water impulse charge.
Not really the same effect when the blast is from a HEAT warhead. Water charges and tamping are in basically direct contact, whereas armor is getting hit with jets of molten metal from whatever the stand off is, so less of a pushing effect. The rubber pads and layers would offer some energy dissapation and limited resistance to a kinetic rounds, thought I doubt it would make a difference to a SABOT. Alexander the Great said it best: The purpose of armor isn't to protect the soldier, it is to make him feel protected.
In Desert Storm my US Marine M60a1 tank had empty-inert reactive armor blocks on the sides of the turret. Only the front slope and turret front had real reactive armor with explosives in the blocks. There was a shortage and so our M60's were not fully covered in ERA.
Seeing as Russia is using vehicles from the sort of same era, than that explains a lot... Other than the fact that Ukrainian soldiers yoinked the ERA.
Interessing reply. Thanks for sharing
The tank equivalent of only wearing the front panel plate :D
Got any proof? Other wise you are blowing smoke out of your ass.
Why was there a shortage?
My dad was driving some old truck (Nam era I think) as an fuel truck driver in the Army. And it had heat, though no AC.
And a Gaurd unit in my state deployed with modified Freighliner FLDs.
So I get, that Uncle Sam has his way of doing things. All that to say, I'd like an in depth answer than some robotesque reply that such a question can elicit from the non combat and combat veteran alike.
Due to the lack of visible damage, my guess is that before it was captured the Russian crew sabotaged the tank to the point that it could not be easily repaired. If that was the case the only real use to Ukraine would be for spare parts like you said. Otherwise why not put the tank back into service for Ukraine? If they were that in need of parts it wouldn't make sense to cannibalize a T-80BVM unless it was otherwise unusable.
Edit: The removal of the parts was not the sabotage. The parts were only removed because the tank was unusable. Otherwise Ukraine would have just used the tank.
Their crews are trained on the t-80 would be my best guess
Tanks don't need sabotage. They break down a lot, even average unlucky explosions can make it unusable without repair
@@ligametis if you are gonna left your vehicle or any military equipment behind the enemy lines without chance of recovering it in few hours, standart procedure would require to make it unoperational from WWII.
was captured wayy back in March and now he's recycling footage
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
i like how instead of just shouting "russians don't have era" like most media do, you analize it and add something to it, very great job👍
They have had it since the late eighties if not a bit earlier. I don't think they had it during the russo afghan war though.
So... their tanks ARE fully equipped, as designed? But they’re still popping their turrets off and incinerating their crews... so not even solving endemic Russian corruption would fix their military. Ouch.
Western Media became just a cheap propaganda tools sadly. The same they were saying about Chinese and Russian media.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 So are Ukrainian tanks.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 the turrets blowing of doesnt matter since most of The Time the ammo is struck and a small ammo cookoff happens which later leads to an explosions giving the crew about 10 seconds ta bail out and run. And second tanks arent everything you know, ukraine hasnt had tanks for a couple of months now and yet they are still doing pretty well
What is this? Unbiased assesment based on facts and evidence instead of opinions and emotions? I'm offended.
Yeah after the fact.
Those explosives are more valuable than the tank.
@@grendal113 They simply can not operate this model.
This tank had elements compatible with earlier ones for their repair, but not vice versa.
@@МихаилРозов-ю9п is this some sort of miscommunication?
Explosives are more valuable than a tank
@@grendal113 Open the Wikipedia page.
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Т-72Б3
There it is written in black in Russian that the operator is Russia, and that's it. No one else has spare parts to ensure the working condition of the tank.
During the Second World War, there were no such systems in tanks as a ballistic computer, a night vision device, etc. The radio station was the most difficult. As a rule, mechanical parts or optics were required for repair, therefore, captured tanks served for decades. Now half of the tank's functionality is electronics, which cannot be replaced so easily. A tank that doesn't work is useless and worth nothing.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see to what length would a psychopatic carrierist go just to get few seconds of public attention.😔
Thank you red effect for using facts not opinions. We need more people like this on both sides.
You will never get people like this on the Russian side because they aren't allowed to be honest.
Agreed. We need to be critic about the information we are getting from said war, because PLENTY of misinformation is being spread with the sole purpose of misinforming either side. For the same money Ukrains sees this, doesn't look up the facts and think russians don't use ERA in their bricks and misengage because of it. Be verry carefull from ANY claim you see on the internet untill it is proven correct. (It's the main reason why i don't watch the news anymore because it's just misinformation RN)
Both sides of what?
@@theangrycheeto of the internet
Ukraine hates facts, they made cbs take down a documentary and censor
To follow the same line of thought, one could also say, "Look, the Russians sent their tanks into battle missing bolts". Thanks for the calm and impartial analysis.
Also, explosive material isn't expensive, particularly when you are a large Country which mass produces it yourself.
Simply manufacturing explosives isn't expensive, however running quality control to ensure your explosives don't routinely kill your own forces is very expensive
50/50
Russia has an infamous history of ignoring development of local chemical industry. It's bad, really really bad. The development of local processing plants should always be a priority, but Russia was content to just sell raw resources and not do anything from it even in soviet times.
As for enough explosives... half of soviet explosive used in WWII were lend leased. That means explosives for industrial mining, propellant for bullets, shell filler, bombs and engineering charges. Half of all of it. And when the war was over did priority to fix the deficit in chemical industry was realized? No! It never did. Chemical industry received even less attention then light industry. It's also part of the reason Russia is stuck in rentier state psychology that fuels authoritarianism on its soil:(
Compared to modern composite armor or ceramics/metals, ERA is much more cheaper and simpler to produce too.
@@Alex-ee5pl you have a point but on the flip side remember this is Russia. the enemy is Russian testing ground.
@Tarzan
When your private conscriptovich being paid almost nothing and you can get a few dollars for a piece of explosives.. well I guess your not a russian conscript.. these guys have sod all
Protection manufacturer "NII Stali" declares that Relict's dynamic protection also includes polyurethane rubber plates, which turns a failed ERA block into a miniature NERA block, giving up to 100mm resistance from a cumulative jet. You can also find photos of this tank abandoned on the march until March 3 with a damaged Sosna-U sight. Also, the author of the video showed a little what is happening inside the car, it is very looted, there is not even a gunner's seat.
Draw your own conclusions from this information.
Russians use Rubber just like Ukrainians used the Ghost of Kiev to shoot down 6 million Russian aircraft.
These channels are paid spreaders of misinformation and shame on anyone who takes claims out of the Ukraine side as anything other than propaganda.
-one million man army
-kherson offensive
-brave defenders of snake island
-totally safe and effective
What’s the conclusion then? Ukrainians took out ERA plates without their steel containers to just stickyband them onto T72M they are getting? Relict is a count imitation of kontakt V , hence along side rubber , if it even has one and you are not making up , has to be parallel with explosive element , which has to have 50-100 gr of explosives .
Too be fair, this 100mm of protection is negligible when considering the strength of most shaped charge ammunition. At most, it'd probably only protect against shoulder-fired munitions (excluding the Carl Gustaf).
@@shanemcdowell3628 If there is an opportunity to get an additional chance for salvation, then it is better to use this chance, especially since it costs nothing.
@@Saiga-saiga True, if it makes you sleep better in the gunner's hatch
RedEffect is good at bringing out the truth, so that people don't underestimate or overestimate things that, for example, the mainstream media talk about.
The best source of information
Discovered this channel some days ago, a bucket of fucking fresh air after all those fake claims by both parts (and I'm Ukrainian)
Highly probable is that since it's capture in march (everyone happy now?), this particular tank saw no action whatsoever. Ukraine operates T-80 too. Everything that was of high value: machine guns, optronics, explosive fillings in the ERA, ammunition, road wheels, etc. were cannibalized for use on Ukrainian made T-80s.
march actually
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
@@ЕвгенийОрлов-б4м nyet. Ukrainians do not operate T-80BVM tanks.
@@JustPeasant they do now actually
@@angrydragonslayer they do now, but not back then.
It makes sense that the missing explosive is used for IED manufacture. I doubt missing explosive is used to armor other tanks, as if that was case, the entire pack of reactive armor would be taken, not on the explosives within it.
My thought exactly
Exactly my first thoughts....you'd take the whole pack
Explosives in era are super hard to set off and probably wouldn't be very good for IED's they're designed to not go off from stray small arms fire and can be seen looking just fine even after a tank has been burnt out
@ANIME RADIO You have enough time to remove all explosive from era but don’t enough to destroy tank ?
@ANIME RADIO source: I made it up
It’s always refreshing to see someone point out misinformation and shows why.
Explosive is used in ERA, neoprene is used in NERA.
Explosive and ammunition are usually removed rapidly from captured or abandoned vehicles, to avoid them being scavenged by unauthorized personnel and because it usually makes transport and storage more challenging (logistic-wise, you are not handling a vehicle, but hazardous material).
That's a really good point. Responsible authorities would remove explosives, and flammables from tanks when they can just because of safety.
@@jamesrowlands8971 Okay, then why put rubber into the enclosure? Unless the person taking the video planted it in there to try to spread misinformation, of course.
Can you give proofs about neoprene in NERA???
@@ukuskota4106 why not go google it your self.
@@inesfi66166 because he said about it -not me
The whole non-sense about T-80BVM not having ERA elements reminds me of defected Mig-25 story, when Soviet traitor Belenko flew brand new jet to Japan. After the jet was taken apart by intelligence services, some western journalists were allowed to take a look. One nonsense that they came up with was the claim that Soviet jets did not use ejection seats because the one in the stolen MiG was apparently removed during analysis by intelligence service members.
Lol
Chicken-headed assumptions, same from "journalists" in the 70s as the cretins we have on air now. Truly nothing new under the sun 🤣
Yeah,the West was scared of this " new absoletly crazy " plane but once looked into it everyone realised its only feat is that it can go fast in a straight line,otherwiser utter shit.
If we do an autopsy on that journalist. We would probably find the brain along with all organs missing then. We can therefore conclude he is a brainless Mummy.
Yeah, ir could be truth any, probably the ukraines have much less pieces than the russians.
The rubber padding is there to reduce vibration in the explosives of the ERAs, preventing them from detonating... so they only detonate from a hard impact.
You don't want them going off, because you started the engine, or dropped a hammer on it.
I think they* might've removed the explosives for safety reasons. Useful parts were stripped, but the ERA wasn't left loaded probably in case it degraded or was accidentally activated.
*= the Ukrainians when storing/stripping the tank
It doesn’t accidentally activate and it won’t, it can sit 100 years
In fact sometimes it fails to activate when shot at, especially the older stuff
So let me get this straight.
You think the Russians removed the ERA for safety reasons?
Are you serious?
@@joshuamitcham1519 What? No, the Ukrainians would, as the people who are storing the tank. Either that, or like the other parts they salvaged them.
@@arsarma1808 As others have previously said, if it's being used for parts and the Ukrainians needed the explosive elements of the era, they would take the entire unit not just part of it.
@Paul Thiessen These explosives (ERA, ERAWA) are not degrading over time, it also don't explode by fire, electricity etc, these are passive explosives, throw it into fire and nothing will happen, it only can be triggered by high energy impact, even .50 cal won't work on them.
It's good to see someone going to the effort to verify these kinds of claims, so thank you for doing that. Some of us would prefer to get facts rather than propaganda, it's just a shame that there is so much misinformation out there to try and sort through.
During this conflict we can at least see the truth or the "other side of the story" unlike when there was a war in Yugoslavia where we Serbs ate babies for breakfast and the muslims and croats planted tulips singing kumbaya.
War is hell and I wish no one experience it.
Yes .. Russia t.v. lies daily. They say the war is going great with few deaths. The mothers in Russia know different.
Then you keep migrating to us and Europe
@@abc-eq9so you’re absolutely right. Serbs didn’t eat babies for breakfast. They just didn’t spare them, as well as women and old people.
Nice try crowbarring your guilty conscience out there though. Some of you never seize to amaze for the lack of apology and deep denial. But you sure compensate in logical fallacies in general, and relativization of guilt in this particular case.
@@oblivionzzzmike You are a fine product of propaganda.
Wow.. a man who actually looks into something and fact checks !! WELL DONE SIR !
your great investigative work has just gotten another subscriber! Thanks 👍
I think your title is better off adjusted to: “Are Russian Tanks Using Rubber Tiles Instead of ERA?”
I think he purposefully put it like that, due to all the spinning and propaganda. It catches the people spinning such false narratives.
@@BleedingSnow and then slaps them with reality, perfection
It's something called clickbait
@@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744 Exactly =)
Yup. Or split the difference and just add a question mark....
There's no way to know who removed/didn't fit the explosives, not this long after it was captured.
this is a gasket that looks like simple rubber, it’s not like these layers of dynamic protection really jam the blows of RPGs, and any other grenade launcher, due to this, a dynamic jet sings, from the fact that there are rusty tracks on the tank, which means he fought, and did not stand in crease.
always makes my week better when redeffect posts another video
i guess the ukrainians can’t really cannibalise much from these tanks
if you enter the numbers that are written on the board, then he finds pictures of the tank and it is clear that this is a Ukrainian tank and not a Russian one
@@ЕвгенийОрлов-б4м It's a Russian tank captured by the Ukrainians
@@ЕвгенийОрлов-б4м Bruh. It's a T-80BVM operated only by Russia. You've chosen a wrong channel to spread misinformation, bot.
@@ЕвгенийОрлов-б4м room temp iQ
@@korzer cope
Quality work redeffect. Never change.
As a special weapons engineer I can vouch for why you have found rubber plates inside your tank good sir! The rubber plates are actually just silicon plates. The reason is due to the fact that silicon can't be burned, try for yourself, buy a propane torch lite it up expose the flame to the silicon and let it burn for 1 hour maybe 2, except it won't actually burn at all it will not change its appearance or durability at all, good day sir!
Can the silicon be used for heat protection for rockets or capsules returning into the Earths atmosphere. Is the material a silicon carbide type? Ceramics?
I think you were trying to type *Silicone* , Mr special weapons engineer.
@@terminusest5902 it's silicone rubber, like kitchen accessories are made from due to the material's high heat resistance.
Exactly ! It’s a perfect engineering method. Works the same and the bombs won’t burn your tank down. 😂
Thank you my friend for the real,neutral explanation. This era of infowar/lies is driving me mad.🤬
It's an infospecialoperation please, not infowar.
@@thomasjones8588 yea Also popular special operation crimes
Thanks for your service, red effect, always glad to see a military youtuber not selling himself for the establishment
So repeating Ukro propaganda is service? Only to Nazis.
Which establishment?
@@chaosXP3RT these dudes always fighting some sort of establishment, it doesn't matter anymore. It's like "I support the current thing" but in reverse.
that 2012 type beat outro is killin me every time
Surely if you’re going to cannibalise the era for another tank, you take the whole block, not just the explosive panel inside…
I mean, that would mean they have the rest of the parts to make Kontact 5, which is unlikely.
@ANIME RADIO did the Russians also take the bolts out of everything else ?
Did they take the cast iron hatches with them on the run ?
Then in to old pictures after it's capture why do we see all ERA covers still on there when clearly every bolt was taken out..
@@SuperUltimateLP I am guessing who ever took ERA off did not bother putting bolts back on. Why would they? Should they also wash the tank?
May be Russian troops took all of that stuff off to use on their own tanks?
@@RealUMGaming you must not have watched the entire video my man...
He literally has photos of this tank in in Ukrainian flags after capture with hatches and ERA intact...
Russians didn't do shit to this tank.
Okay, the vehicle was looted by its Ukrainian captors and was cannibalized for spare parts, The Ukrainians have lots of similar (reactive armor) on their various and it could be mounted there, that is nothing new. It might also be recycled for various forms of IED's. Glad to see someone showing the Russian side though. As Winston Churchill said, the first casualty in war is the truth.
It rather looks that was original state of vehicle. Rust and other damages are obvieus indicatirs that this tank was neglected in service. Whole tank looks like was in bad shape long before was sent to war.
There is a possibility that Russian troops took all of that before abandoning the tank
@@horatio8213 just your basic Russian rust bucket.
@@RealUMGaming yeah, we need to abandon our tank, but let’s remove these nifty headlights first, LoL.
These setups, known as NERA (non-explosive reactive armor), use an intermediate layer of an inert material, for example rubber, which deforms the plates on impact. The effect is not quite as high as with the explosive version, but tandem shaped charges can also be affected.
Good video...also notable the bolts that hold the ERA together are missing completely (not just off to the side as if the maker of the video just took them apart). Also, no machine guns left.
'truth is the first casualty of war'
Unless you're fighting Russia then it's probably civilians, with truth as a close second
Well done! I could actually follow the info.
where did you get the information that there should be kontakt- 5 on the roof?)
Love your fact based videos Red. It’s helpful in a world filled with lies.
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
I love how every video Red posts the comment section is progressively filling up more and more with Pro-Russia refugees that had to flee to any safespace they can find.
well when ukrain runs out of soldiers they need every single piece of oportunity for propaganda to keep going or self your own soldiers will run away and even western weapons wont make them come back
@@kthec1298 let him have his moment
He still hasnt recovered from Ukraine's constant Ls at Kherson
You speak like Twitter isn't haven for Pro Ukraine view
Bruh the pro ukrainians and anti russian trolls are way more than us and we are real refugees you wouldnt see us in a f*cking maybach like some ukrainians ,,refugees"
They're five months deep into a two week special operation. You have to desperately search for any space to cope in if you had to take L after L like they have for months.
Thanks. Good job on the objective assessment!!!
Mildly educated opinion*
Markings show that this tank once belonged to the 200 Arctic MRB from Pechenga. The brigade was roughly handed in the advance on Kharkiv, suffering heavy losses including its commander, and then was withdrawn and rebuilt with sailors, volunteers etc (very Wehrmacht 1945-ish) and sent back. It was almost destroyed in the Ukrainian offensive in September 2022. Not sure where it is now.
Here is another thought. Back in my working days, part of my work was marketing EFP warheads. I remember reading and hearing about ceramic plate efp protection. It was stacks of ceramic plates separated with some material. It would disperse the energy of the incoming efp so that when it eventually hit the metal of a tank it could not penetrate. Not sure if rubber would do the same thing but I saw other material there in the video. But in the end….. whatever it is….. it is not working.
Great work as always. Your depth of knowledge in these matters always astounds me. Keep it up!
Thanks now it makes sense
Why not take the whole block, why just the explosives? Can you use them for other purposes apart from era?
Lighter and blocls are cheap, the russians wont need them they xan replace them
it can probably be used in IED's
If you intend to reuse the explosives it seems simpler to take the whole box, but if you are making the tank safe for disassembly removing just the explosives is more plausible. Having workers crawl all over a tank covered in explosives with power tools seems less than safe I would say.
@@rustknuckleirongut8107 Sparks or just fire would not set off the explosives as seen on burned out tanks.
Still better to be careful though.
They sell the explosives on the black market
Yea gotta agree it looks to me like it was stripped for parts.
That’s what I think, stripped for parts and anything of use to the Russians disposed of before it was abandoned.
Oh God, it is the onest vodeo, where "RUBBER IN THE RUSSIAN TANKS!!!"
So, what about, that ukrainian soldiers take blocks of dynamical deffenders, to present us, after, that "it is no dynamical deffenders in russian tanks"...
This tank was captured in March! Why has this video only surfaced now?
Because now it has been canibalised for parts.
PR
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In addition there is such a thing as NERA or Non-Explosive Reactive Armor. It turns out if hit with a HEAT jet the rubber expands because it is chemically the same as rocket fuel. The rubber is obviously part of the ERA but may be something else than just a dampener.
Exceptionally effective when fighting glue, as everyone knows everything bounces off rubber and sticks on glue.
bounces off me sticks to you
You can tell that the tank has been stripped bare.
That vehicle is probably a trianing vehicle not re-configured before being sent to active duty . Era isn't normally fitted for training duties for obvious reasons -you don't want expensive dangerous equipment around trainees the trained guys are dangerous enought.
I suspect the explosives were there when the tank was captured. Look at 3:25 and you can see that all the bolts of the panels are removed. If there were no explosives in them you might open a few and then stop when you do not find any explosives that you can use.
It is in my opinion more likely that all are opened if there are explosives there. It could be somont that did did open all to make sure no explosives are left or it could even be the bolt was needed somewhere else.
@@target844 why would ukrianian looters swap the era with rubber? It's an abandoned tank, they would just take the ERA and not replace it with anything
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor If I understand this video correctly the explosives is not replaced with rubber. The rubber we see should be there. There should also be explosives and they missing, nothing has been added. Look at 1:50 in the video
I am impressed by your analysis
The characteristic yellow tail number T-80BV M - 659 falls into the frame, which immediately puts everything in its place.
The T-80BV M with this tail number was lost in the very first days of the special operation (March 2) in the Kharkiv region, after which it was captured by the AFU and even managed to serve the enemy for some time, was damaged and, for lack of repair, was dismantled. And after 5 months, the Ukrainian agitprop decided to use the skeleton of this tank in its ridiculous propaganda.
Please note that during this time, literally everything was twisted from the tank - explosives from the ERA modules on the tower and hull, charges of smoke grenade launchers "Cloud" and even the sight "Pine-U". The Ukrainian army could have gotten their hands on modules with one of the most advanced Russian-made "Relict", but instead they preferred to get explosives out of it and "jam the fish".
You are assuming that this tank was still worth operating. If say that optic was damaged then it becomes another t-80 for spare parts of TDF or national guard.
@@terrynewsome6698 Most of the T80s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have long been converted to diesel... So I have no idea where they could use the T 80BV M spare parts. They were able to get a tank, with a new gun (and in Ukraine, tank guns have not been produced or chrome-plated for 30 years), with a new ERA, and a good firing system. I believe that it was necessary to continue to exploit. I do not know for what reason this tank was decided to be disassembled, since apparently the hull remained intact, there were no problems with the gun and the firing system (otherwise why would they remove something that does not work?), and there was also a full set of ERA. If there are problems with the engine, then it was possible to do what they already practice in the army of Ukraine, changing the engine and transmission... As far as I have read, the only difficulty is that it is necessary to replace the engine compartment of the tank by using welding and manual labor, but they had almost half a year for this, they could have carried out the necessary modernization... It confuses me that they did not completely remove the ERA blocks, for the purpose of further use, but simply took out the explosives, which simply crosses out to the further use of the ERA. These explosive packages cannot be installed in Contact 1, or other containers used in Ukraine, and the explosive itself has no value! Because of this reason, we in Russia joke about the fact that Ukrainian mechanics simply stole explosives so that they could then go fishing and jam the fish!
@@НиколайСмирнов-с7х Do you guys joke about Russia’s flying tank turrets as well?
@@Mr.Byrnes That is, you drew parallels between the death of people and the detonation of the ammunition, with a joke about the fact that mechanics in Ukraine, for some reason, took the explosives, without the ERA blocks themselves, in order, apparently, to go fishing??? No, we are not joking about how a tanks tower flew off, because 80% of all jokes, in this case, will concern tanks and crews of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And we are not Fascists to savor the death of people, unlike Ukrainians, who savor the death of people, long before February 24. So no, we don't do that!
@@НиколайСмирнов-с7х Orcs don’t laugh at the expense of other orcs? That’s very noble of your kind
Thanks for these good analyses. Good to have someone motivated more on the technical truths than propeganda.
This is a great video!
Damn it, dude, you're cool, you didn't know that the West would be interested in this, I subscribed to the original author of the tanker of Ukraine, he kept silent on such questions, even the moment with the nuts loose looks strange, it's even clear from the tracks and wiring inside the tank that the car has been disassembled for a long time, Hello from Russia
Corruption. Saving on ERA allows generals to pocket hundreds o thousands of dollars. Also, the fires in deep Russian weapons, ammo, and fuel depots are very possibly for cover quantities different than stated in inventories. Corruption, corruption everywhere in Russian armed forces...also in the USA, but here they can be investigated and sanctioned.
How long until Putin bans TH-cam?
@@chaosXP3RT how long til the west stops exporting fascism
@The God of J's Gotta love the classy whataboutism. Always a favorite of those without actual points to argue.
@The God of J's classic liberal deflection.
The price and demand for Tupperware has just gone up!
RedEffect: The tracks are horribly rusted
The average armour modeller: I thought they actually looked pretty good!
Yes, seems like a padding would be useful between your turret and the ERA or they could be aware that the tank design is flawed and having explosives detonating on the turret has less than desirable effects on the shells right up under the ERA.
I immediately noted the rust on the tracks so knew it hadnt been used for a while, but it did remind me of early in the war when they found the Russian ERA bricks containing common sand and egg carton like spacers to maintain the block shape, and some didnt even have the sand just the spacers.
It was bs too, thpse egg carton was in fact not egg carton, look it up and don't be so gullible
@@carta8399 Yes, they were dummy explosive bricks with regular sand due to graft in the Russian factories. Not the first time and the worst case was Russia having to scrap three completed Proton-M space launchers because the gold thermal insulation had been nicked and replaced with other metals during construction at the Voronezh Mechanical Plant.
Informative video that answered my question about why they had anything in them at all.
Was wondering how long it would take you to make the video after seeing the original post.
That being said, it doesn't make tons of sense that ERA blocks have been methodically emptied of explosives while putting back rubber rather than completely thrashed. It also makes sense that Ukrainians would have just discovered it now, as they are checking on their state to install it on the T-72 variants supplied from other countries lacking ERA.
Similarly, since it was captured on the 3rd of march, it was likely one of the first tanks going in and nominally was going in for the training. It is entirely possible that tech preparing it were not informed that it would be seeing real combat and did not put explosives to avoid ERA going off and killing everyone around with fragments.
Maybe they put back rubber just on a couple few for a video
thanks for good idea and explanation
Lol ERA doesn't explode that easily, even direct hits from small arms fire shouldn't be enough to detonate
@@stephenbrand5661 Indeed, ERA should be resistant to 30mm cannon shells as well. ERA only detonates against a shaped charge or AP kinetic round.
@@stephenbrand5661 , and you know this from a guy on the internet, without knowing the exact compound used. Kid.
A doubtful conclusion in this video.
In the original video the Ukrainian soldier comments that the empty slots (those with no rubber incerts) are not only empty, they also look like there was nothing there EVER (i.e. from the factory).
Also, IF the captured tank was canibalized for spare parts for other Ukrainian tanks (and it probably was), why taking only explosives from the dynamic armor and not the whole units of that armor? Are you suggesting that the tank models with no dynamic armor what so ever need explosives ONLY and not the whole assembly? And if Ukrainians indeed have for some reason removed the explosive elements why do they put metal covers back in place and not just left them open? ;)
My point is: don’t underestimate Russian level of corruption, state theft, cynicism and stupidity! ☝️🤓
Exactly what I thought.
@@Mal101M How do you imagine REPAIRING a REACTIVE armor unit by removing just an explosive part from another unit. Are you suggesting the casing of a used one is still intact? 😁
Your entire argument here is based on the idea that every Ukrainian *must* have perfect decision making while every Russian *must* be stupid. There's no chance that the Ukrainians could have screwed up and had a brain fart, but a 100% chance that Russians went in with a tank that was already rusted and conveniently missing many of the parts and bolts that would be canabalized? Your last sentence shows way more bias than the video. The Iq requirements of soldiers aren't high, especially when they were literally asking for volunteers.
I like that you are willing to admit that nobody is perfect.
This tank was not equipped with an era on the roof and front of the turret. You may not believe it, but it is a fact. All roof covers have been removed in search of an era. But there were era plates on UFP. And this is far from the only case of this, I have seen at least 5 t72b3 with the same problem, we ourselves completed them with era plates.
The problem is that such cases are not provable. Everyone can tell that it's fake, even if you open the covers of the era in live broadcast mode. You can always say - "you prepared and removed them in advance" 😁
It is very difficult for Russian viewers to accept criticism of their technique, often they do not even realize in what terrible technical condition it ends up in our trophies.
I'm already used to this reaction, but time will tell)
Как раз таки "критицизм" это хорошо, потому что люди не принимают на веру всë что говорят им в интернете. Есть фото с 72кой которую завешали брëвнами и мешками с песком, есть кучи фоток с "козырьками" и техникой а-ля буханка с буквой z, так что уродских эрзац вариантов у ВС РФ хватает, тут даже спорить никто не будет, просто конкретно в твоëм видосе это выглядит не убедительно, ибо вся внутрянка выдрана, ты сам делал акцент на этом, следовательно, могли напиздить и взрывчатки из ДЗ. Танк захватили в марте, хотя ты вроде говорил, что захватили недавно. А когда где то начинаются подобные недомолвки, очень сложно человеку после такого верить.
В обзоре на Т72 ты очень хорошо показал, почему Сосна-У откровенно говоря параша. В видосе про ходовку, ты был убедителен, ибо даже видеодоказательства того что 72ка "разувается" вполне себе имеют место быть. А тут чë то как то не то.
Кстати, чë за ДЗ напихали трофейным 72кам? У вас есть на складах "Контакт - 5"?
@@w_elder2199 есть )
I'm quite sure you are right.
this is the video's author btw
Russians also could just take all of it with them when they were abandoning the tank on the march
Take all of them and then put accurate blocks of rubber instead just for fun?
How convenient that the rubber era bricks are already opened up.
for those who are asking why they removed the explosive charges but not the whole era and tank, they did it on purpose for propaganda. ukraine uses the russian equipment while making it look like russia's weapons are incomplete. the tank was not directly used because of crews sabotaging and disabling the tank
Edit: I forgot to mention, there is this thing called nera, which is basically a cheap replacement for era while not being as effective. It can be that the nera was being tested directly with this tank
Kind of sad to be the champion country of all the idiots and ignorants of the world .
It would make sense if it would UA state media, but instead it is just a video of a ukrainian tanker duh
@@LynxErgo he can't lie or missunderstand some points, if he's just a regular tanker?
Nonsense!
@@w_elder2199 Point being he's unlikely to spread propoganda on his own, as far as I know active duty soldiers don't exactly tend to do that. Though, he could missunderstand something about the ERA on a said tank, no cap
My question is thus; if they're taking the explosives out to use them in other ERA, *why did they not just take the intact ERA package, dismantle it, and put it on a Ukranian tank?* ERA packages don't contain enough explosive to be worth salvaging the explosive from for other purposes if they really do need the ERA packages for their own tanks as you put forth. Given Ukraine uses T-80s, has produced them since the UD variant, wouldn't the ERA package be more valuable intact, given it's more than just the explosives that get damaged when the system activates? Kind of a flaw in the logic there.
I think your thinking of the T-64, I think they did inherit a few T-80s and 72s after the breakup but the main thing they got was the factory's to produce the 64
Not enough space in their backpacks?
@@josephmontanaro2350 Ukraine inherited 300 T-80UDs when Soviet Russia broke up. They sold off a few, but still have most of them. The Ukranian T-84 is a welded turret T-80, even
@@catstuckinawaterbottlecrate Not to mention that the T-80UD was a Ukrainian only specialty out of their factories.
My Russian/Ukrainian isn't good anymore, but from the original video, it sounded liked and talked about it like he explains what they took from the tank and what's left. That's why he films the inner compartment and says "we took" and so on. But if I misheard please correct me with the accurate timestamp.
The Ghost of Kiev clearly stole the ERA and other parts as he flew overhead
The machine gun is missing. So it was likely Scavenged for sparez
Nothing odd really, common practice for Ukrainian side, they were scraping PKT, converting them into PKM-like MG. Fine practice, especially when the said tank is out of service
Ukraine is using American taxpayer money, instead of Ukrainian money!
Thank you for the context.
This sounds sensible. The Russians may have stripped valuable parts if they had time to abandon the vehicle too.
Most likely
Wonder how long it wouldve taken them to do so then
Well in that first picture of the tank captured it still appears with all the valuable parts still on. I mean I doubt removing the sight and everything is a 20 minute job, and carrying those around while escaping the area where you abandoned your tank would be a bit silly.
@@freetime5803 Idk. The ERA panels are missing screws.
And then maybe the Ukrainian forces captured the tank and decided to further cannibalize it.
A lot of possibilities, tbh.
if you look at the images that from march when the tank was already captured by ukranians it still had all that shit on it, commanders hatch, turret sights, the headlight etc., so your theory is debunked immedietly
Rubber actually does better than steel againt some ammunitions
But why would you remove the explosive parts from the ERA and then put rubber in them after that, when you don't plan to use the tank any further?
Maybe they wanted to shoot a video? Ask the Ukreanians why they packaged it back.
It really irks me how much people are willing to believe that Russians have all of the equivalent design elements and ideas as Western tanks, but are somehow missing the ONE THING THAT MAKES IT WORTH ANYTHING. Like, they don't even believe that Russia just has bad design from the start, they literally think Russia has the same idea as the West but must be so incomprehensibly stupid, that they would ignore the thing that gives the tank armor in the first place.
Like, how do they even think the Russians are able to build tanks in the first place? Or, how are the Russians able to get jets off of the ground if they're that stupid?
They aren't able to get jets off the ground. That's why the airforce is nowhere to be seen in Ukraine
@@a.t6066 becouse russia still doesn't have full air supperirity and the Airfoce cant do much in an infantry based fight?.
@@mrkeykush693 airforce can't do much in an infantry based fight? Tell that to nato... who always uses their superior airforce to destroy all strategic targets and provide airsupport to advancing ground forces....
@@a.t6066 in Vietnam USA lost 10k planes and helicopters against semi modern air defence systems and still lost the war. Russia obviously doesn't want to sacrifice thousands of planes to knock out Ukrainian air defences
And all other wars NATO fought were against goat farmers with machine guns on a trucks as their best weapons. So bad example buddy
Why can't corporate media be like this guy? I subscribed.
They disassembled it. Removed the explosives. And then put everything back together? Why go through the trouble? Maybe it was empty before they opened it.
The TLDR is that this tank was captured early in the campaign, and has been stripped of all useful spare parts and munitions (including the ERA) and left abandoned afterwards
Brilliant analysis, subscribed, thank you
Enough to post fakes. crests show their tanks and lay out as Russian
Now even Ukrainian propaganda is getting desperate.
Always has been
Remember ghost of Kyiv？
Always has been
@@Drownedinblood spookay
Everybody is talking about the rubber in the ERA boxes and I'm here still trying to figure out what a weedeo is 🤔🤣.
People if the tank truly didnt had an era to show it you wouldnt need to open every single one of blocks, showing one or two would prove your point, if the ukrainians want to prove this why havent they made a video, no edits, on how they open era and find if its empty or not, all we see are pictures and videos after it had been opened. Why they took only the explosives is a mystery for sure but in no way disproves this video or any other theory.
Corruption. Saving on ERA allows generals to pocket hundreds o thousands of dollars. Also, the fires in deep Russian weapons, ammo, and fuel depots are very possibly for cover quantities different than stated in inventories. Corruption, corruption everywhere in Russian armed forces...also in the USA, but here they can be investigated and sanctioned.
@@Bacanalable yeah i already made my argument and then you cime at me with no logic surw thers is corruption but taking out the era and selling it wouldnt make you much profits also its the era if you are going to atral from the ay you will steal sh*t nobody would notice or that would not harm your capabiloties. As i said why did they take out all of the era if they wanted to peove its true they need to open one or two or better yet do it live with no edit on video. Why dont they just film a video of them opening them on camara showing us ? Why do they show us videos and pictues after they have already opened them ? Destroyed russia ammo depots are either hit by ukriane or have had an accidental detonation its pretty common thing ukriane had a few explosions before the conflict began.
@@Silver_Prussian they took out nothing, those are bought empty.
There are several fuel depots far from Ucranian borders burning with nobody seeing or hearing a missile, but initiated from inside the bases.
Remember that even Putin had corruption charges at the beginning of his career.
Also remember the Pansir and other trucks with cheap tires immobilized because of broken-down tires...or the 40 km trucks and tanks convoy stopped because they haven't fuel.
@@Bacanalable uhhh no there is no such fuel depots bruning i dont knkw where you get that info but its not true
No panstir had a problem with his tires nor was the 40km convoy stoped dew to fuel issies like wtf are you even talking about ?
Thank god russians are giving ukraine spare parts
Thank you for clearing that up!
Your title is what would make ppl think that 😂 I would immediately think it was cannibalized but Russia is known for not having any brains when it comes to weapons and fighting. They did make a cope cage after all 😂 thinking that would stop a javelin 🤦♂️ so wouldn’t put it past them to try rubber to stop rounds!
The cage actually is a good idea, cages like that are used on various tanks across the world, the cages stop chemical rounds because the chemical round detonate on impact so they don’t penetrate the Armor, but it certainly wouldn’t stop a javelin
Ngl. I cant believe that they even posted that stupid vid online. 🤣
Well they do because they can get away with it because the western audience is extremely propagandized and ignorant
Thank you very much for not taking the bait on the "rubber" video. I keep seeing people claiming Russia is cheap and uses only rubber on their tanks as 100% fact. This video of yours shows honor for using your intelligence to debunk that nonsense. I am anti war. I support neother country but I highly appreciate your objectiveness.
It wouldn't be out of the question. Corruption in the Russian government is well known and documented. I wouldn't doubt if this this tank didn't have era in it.
No one stopped to think that it's possible that all the boxes were open because they were checked for explosive parts?
I read this is a good addition for obsolete Soviet tanks, they increased the survivability of tanks 2-3 times! Of course, this is not Abrams, but various conflicts, especially the Middle East, have shown themselves well!due to the curtain and the arena system, the issue is moot! But it also seems to work not badly, since the Russian Federation lost less T-90s in Ukraine! And the main anti-tank guns are now javelins and NLAV
Russia only deployed a small number of T-90s. Did not want to be embarrassed, with its prime tanks being destroyed. Who would have thought that covering a tank with explosives was not a good idea. Russia is up to its 5th generation of ERA. Have they bothered to test the ERA.
Thats an ukranian tank. Russians dont use thats yellow marks. 😂
Lol... Ukraine doesn't even operate t-80bvm
Maybe because they marked them to avoid friendly fire sherlock ?
Good explainer, very logical and something to keep in the back of your mind when viewing a video like that one in the future.
Thanks for smashing out the propaganda. It makes it hard to observe the conflict with all the lies being spread, but I think that’s the point right? If it was so easy then the guys fighting would know too much?
But in the same hand how does it help Ukrainians to falsely claim Russian tanks are weaker than they actually are? That would make them harder to kill with that form of underestimation right? Idk.
The trails of destroyed Russian tanks can pretty much tell you who's better trained at Tank warfare. Then again Russia had a few successes with their battalions.
@@stranger6797 With the training from NATO, Support of Drones and other NATO equipment. Also knowing some Russian tankers are dumb with no infantry support. I think Ukraine has some tank capabilities.
@Mirage_Panzer Same but different crew lol
@mirage_panzer2274BM Oplot isn’t the same as T-80U lol. That’s beyond oversimplification. That’s cope 😭. It’s like calling the M1 original the same as the M1A2C/V3 the same exact tank. Or the Leopard 2 and Abrams the same because they both spawned from the MBT 70… It’s not correct, or logical analysis.
Interesting video. Can't really prove the missing tile components were missing due to being removed for the video OR if they were noticed missing when the tank was cannibalized, then filmed. We'll likely never know. Best way to confirm the quality of the Russian tanks is to have them surrender and allow for a proper inspection to take place. Slava Ukraine! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
You probably think you are funny.
@@arsic094 no, Russian military should surrender and live. Otherwise, all bets are off.
@@alainlefebvre9860 Well, yes. Most bets are off. That's how actual war looks like. When attack a nation with some serious capability you will lose something.
Also keep in mind that all the Russians did so far was while severely outnumbered.
@@arsic094 IKR, there were so many civilians.
I was an explosive breacher. We use rubber to tamp and buff the charges for metal doors. The pressure from the explosive essentially turns the rubber into a fist which pushes down the door. Don't know if it'll do the same to tank armor, but can't imagine it would help the tank. Perhaps by distributing the blast over a wider area. We did the same with IV bags and the pull off Popsicles, called a water impulse charge.
Not really the same effect when the blast is from a HEAT warhead. Water charges and tamping are in basically direct contact, whereas armor is getting hit with jets of molten metal from whatever the stand off is, so less of a pushing effect. The rubber pads and layers would offer some energy dissapation and limited resistance to a kinetic rounds, thought I doubt it would make a difference to a SABOT.
Alexander the Great said it best: The purpose of armor isn't to protect the soldier, it is to make him feel protected.
i know nothing about this, but maybe the ERA goes under the rubber?
Just casual Ukrainian propaganda
It's a propaganda stunt. So...
But guys the rubber will cause the anti tank missiles to bounce off
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