Estonian reacts to Pearl Harbor
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Kings and Generals:
• Attack on Pearl Harbor...
Become a patron of the channel
/ arturrehi
Estonian Soldier Hat, Estonian TH-camr Cup, Fish Documentary Shirt:
artur-rehi.mys...
NEW CHANNEL:
/ @arturrehipodcast
My Tiktok:
/ arturrehi
My instagram:
/ arturrehi
My facebook page:
/ arturehi
You can send me stuff to:
Öö tn 4-2, Tartu, Estonia 50103
Videos I have done about Estonia:
• Estonian culture
Check out my music:
• Video
Until my next video
Stay cool my friends!
Bye bye!
The U.S.S. Ward sank the Japanese midget submarine by hitting it at the base of its conning tower with a 5 inch shell, aimed by sight from a moving platform to a moving target. An excellent shot. For a long time their claims were discounted, yet a few years ago, that midget submarine was found and as clear as day, there was a 5 inch hole exactly where it was reported. There is a documentary about this, and the video clearly shows the hole on the Japanese Sub.
Amazing how were still learning new things about the battle this long after it happened.
They took the gun off the ship and moved it to St Paul Minnesota and I went to go see it. It’s in Minnesota because the ship was manned by mostly men from Minnesota.
It is funny how analysts sitting behind desks go.."no no..it didn't happen that way" While the guys that actually shot the gun and saw the hit said "uhh dude, we hit it square on!"
@@ryanhampson673 Yep. Eyewitness accounts are too rarely accounted for (pun intended). I guess the analysts are just too skeptical about the honesty of the eyewitnesses 🤔😔.
@@PC_Simo Yeah, a lot of times, eyewitness accounts are difficult to verify as truthful. Just looking online, you see all too many guys who saw the same event, somehow lol.
WW2 submarines are not like modern ones, they had limited torpedos and mainly used their deck guns on smaller ships as it was more accurate on the smaller faster targets. Most Sub attacks at the time actually had it surface only to submerge AFTER the attack as it gave the sub the best angle of attack and its fastest speeds, but gave planes and destroyers time to spot and sink them.
I believe these were miniture subs with 2 to 3 men on board
And in the case of US subs until the later periods of the war, 9 out of 10 of your torpedoes were duds so you had to use older WW1 torpedoes or use your deck gun. The Mk 14 Torpedo was a colossal and fatal failure to US sailors until the Bureau of Ordinance was forced to fix it basically at gun point by very pissed off naval officers.
WW2 subs were really surface ships that could submerge for short periods (24-48 hours depending on speed and power draw)
Former US Navy sailor here.
The *U.S.S. Arizona* is still on the bottom of the harbor and leaking oil to this day.
She is the largest single-ship loss in the US Navy’s history. Her explosion was truly catastrophic and she burned for days after.
I grew up in Arizona, so I have known her story for my entire life.
It is a big misconception that subs would be very deep at the time. They had limited power, oxygen and water, so they stayed near the surface unless attacked.
And to attack ships they had to be close to the surface as well
@@Chosen_Ash ya, theoretically they could fire from a lower depth but the hit chance even at periscope depth was terrible.
First, the "Jewels of the Navy" at that time were the Battleships and other large capital ships. Aircraft Carriers were a relatively new concept, in naval warfare. After the attack on Pearl Harbor. The U.S. didn't have many choices on what to center the Navy on. So because of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Aircraft Carriers became the most important ships in the U.S. Navy.
Now the Battle at Midway is important for a number of reasons. The main one in my opinion. Is that the Aircraft Carrier could allow a Navy to strike and destroy. A enemy fleet without ever being able to see the enemy fleet. Before this battle, naval ships had to get into range for their cannons. To fight and destroy the enemy. Now large Capital ships are expensive to make, and take several years to actually build. So navies are not in the habit of risking these ships needlessly, even today.
Actually the battle of the coral sea was the first aircraft carrier battle, midway was the 2nd of 7
Correct...I think maybe only a 1/4, possibly a 1/3 of Navy leader ship saw the future was carriers, the rest were old school, big guns win battles..The Japanese were one of the few Navies that went fairly all in on carriers early.
The only thing I would ad to your statement would be at that time to sink a sub you could use a torpedo if you caught them on the surface, or line of sight shot as you said. Depth charges were for when the sun was running submerged. The real game changer came with the development of the Hedge Hog anti sub system .
The attack on the Wheeler airfield was effective, and was made easier due to the concentration of the aircraft in the center of the field for protection from Japanese sabotage. It should be mentioned that the concentration of the aircraft was very effective as not a single aircraft was lost to attack by sabotage.
I recommend the Movie "Tora Tora Tora" as opposed to the movie "Pear Harbor" if you're looking for a good WW2 movie
Yes! Artur needs to start reacting to war movies!
I agree
I concur.
Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!
Climb Mount Niitaka !
Such a good movie. Much more accurate. And no garbage love story
Planes could spot subs because when they were looking for targets they would be just below the surface (periscope depth, so around a few meters). Later in the war they had anti sub weapons like depth charges but before that they would just spot and relay locations.
Periscope depth is 60-65 feet, not “a few meters”.
At the time of the attack, battleships were still widely considered the "jewels" of a fleet. It wasn't until the battles you mention that people started to realize that a new era in naval warfare had arrived.
One important thing was that the real prize was the modern and expensive cruisers at the harbor which were tied together even closer than the battleships were. But due to their smaller size many of the Japanese pilots targeted the older battleships instead, which allowed these very deadly ships to escape almost any harm outside of some light damage. Those very cruisers would end up doing some more major damage as the war in the Pacific carried on. But the biggest missed opportunity was not destroying the dry docks which would have been extremely difficult to repair due to you needing to drain out the water and creating a barrier in the harbor so the doors could be worked on. But with those still in tact they had large functional repair facilities right next to these destroyed ships which the US Navy made sure to get full usage out of.
YESS! Love your reactions, would be fun to see them all with ya
Great reaction man as for air detection most submarines of ww2 had to be on the surface. They are more submersible boats. So when cruising or recharging batteries they had to be on the surface making planes one of the most dangerous threats as they can drop depth charges, straife them or drop bombs any sort of damage even minor to the hill can prevent the submarine from diving as it risks the Hull breaking apart. Sinking subs can be done by detoh charges, bombs set on a timer so when the fuse activates the bomb sinks and then blows up or sometimes the subs are rammed for being too high up
My grandfather, my mother's father was already in the USAAC before the war. He was stationed at Hickam during the attack.
A Destroyer can sink a Submarine by using depth charges if the target is submerged, using Sonar to get a target location. If the sub is on or near the surface guns, torpedoes or even ramming are viable options.
I like when they do research and put in facts that the original video left out. It enhances and elevates the experience of the original video. I guess technically that is a breakdown disguised as a reaction but you know... algorithms like the word "reaction" I learned something here.
Anti-Aircraft also includes timed explosive shells. I recall you wondering about it one video. Many are just stacked machine guns on one trigger and swivel turret, but some are large guns that fire explosive shells timed to go off around where aircraft fly.
Hey Artur! I really enjoyed your reactions to the Napoleon video by Epic History TV since you brought a great perspective as a soldier and are very knowledgeable. EHTV actually has many more videos like that (they are about 15-20 minutes each), would you like to react to some more?
Would also love if he reacted more to it, love the series and want to see how he reacts.
Thanks of watching Kings and General it's so good.
During the first and second world wars submarines only spent limited time submerged and usually not nearly as deep as they go today. Many planes were equipped with depth charges. During ww1 a town in Massachusetts called Orleans was shelled by a German submarine the Americans reactrd by dripping torpedoes and depth charges from a Curtis bi plane
"i fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve"
-Admiral Yamamoto
A destroyer has multiple ways to sink a sub depending on it location and depth in the case of the ward I believe she used her guns
That's right. In WW2, most submarines couldn't actually submerge for very long, and had to sit on or very near the surface (periscope depth) to actually do anything useful. Destroyers, often tasked with ASW, could, and often did, fire their guns at submarines. In this event, the Ward killed the Japanese sub with a 4" shell hit to the base of the conning tower, sinking it almost immediately.
The Ward shot the sub with its 5 in forward gun. They also dropped depth charges just to be sure. They later found the mini sub and it has the hole from the shell in the conning tower.
@@Isolder74 Minor correction, was a 4" gun, but yes, that's pretty much what happened :) The Ward did not have any 5" guns.
They couldn't just call off the attack because the carriers weren't there. They were thousands of miles away from home on a tight timeline and couldn't just reset.
The Japanese did an amazing job of sailing their fleet across the ocean without being detected. Just the logistics and sailing of a force that size in secret is very impressive. Their top people were in the military not business and it really made a difference in the first six months of the war.
8:26 depth charges were the primary method. You could in theory use a torpedo, but with early 1940's tech it would be an insanely tricky shot to pull off. More often than not they would depth charge an area they suspected the submarine was hiding hoping to cause enough damage to force it to surface, at which point they would usually take the crew prisoner and sink the sub with demolition charges or shoot it up with their guns.
“When they speak to this moment, we will not be ones who stood guard while America died”
- General Shepherd
If you like this stuff. I'd recommend the movie Tora! Tora! Tora!. However if you want something more in depth, History Channels' Battle 360 is awesome. 10 episodes, about a hour long each and it basically covers everything that happened in and around the USS Enterprise, start to the end of the war.
The really sad part is that, even though the rumor about FDR knowing and letting it happen is a myth, Pearl Harbor COULD have been prevented. Who was to blame? The incompetent head of arguably the most incompetent US intelligence agency: J Edgar himself, who received information directly from Dusko Popov that the Japanese military observers had, with him present, made note of new shallow water torpedo attack techniques and their use at the Harbor lagoon. Hoover didn't like Popov personally, and so ignored the warning the same way he did when Nazi saboteurs landed on the eastern shores and literally tried to voluntarily defect while FBI agents ignored them right up until they produced thousands they'd been given to use as bribe money as proof.
Abolish the FBI.
Abolish the FBI ✊
Abolish the FBI .
Amazing as always
It should be noted that, until the battles of early-to-mid 1942, the true capabilities of carriers were yet to be fully realized. At this time there were only three navies (US, UK, & Japan) who operated carriers in any significant numbers, and all three planned them around scouting roles and preemptive strikes with battleships being the main cornerstone for naval engagements. At the time, The Japanese probably had the best understanding of the effectiveness of massed carrier strikes, but even they still thought of them as preemptive attackers with the main fleet coming in to deal the death blow. So when the US carriers weren't in port, it was a disappointment for the Japanese but not a deal-breaker as their main target were still the battleships.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
the subs in question were 2 person mini subs. the first sub sank, was caught on the surface and RAMMED by the destroyer.
6:32 if a submarine is at periscope depth you kinda see a large shadow in the water
Artur is the best TH-camr on TH-cam change my mind
Well the narration is not entirely correct. Yes, the Japanese knew the fleet schedule but this is why the attack was planned on December 7th. They knew that the entire Pacific Fleet was scheduled for a fleet wide exercise on the 8th so they took a chance that the carriers would be there. The Enterprise was suppose to be in the harbor on the 6th but was delayed by a storm. The other two were also late to the point they were expected to miss the exercise. Saratoga was also suppose to be in harbor but was still in dry dock because of machinery problems that were suppose to be fixed but cropped up as they were preparing to leave San Diego.
At the time before the attack. They thought the battleship was the king and the carrier was a support vessel. As the high command was raised on this belief. As carriers were the experimental weapon, that turned into a wonder weapon.
At the time, the USA had no choice, change their outlook or pull out. Sure the battleship was rebuilt, but by the time the true strength of the carrier was revealed.
I recently came across a series on Timeline about the "Devil's Brigade". Canada and US merge for a French Legion level fighting unit.
Love kings and generals, you may also enjoy the channel Invictus. Abit late but Happy Holidays Artur!
They could only find a submarine with aircraft radar, if she was surfaced. Since many of our recon aircraft, and ship launched spotter planes, carried 325lb(145kg) depth charges, and the UK carried a 250lb(115Kg) air dropped versions. They could also carry 30lb, 50lb or 100lb contact bombs.
Destroyers used their main guns on surfaced subs, 600lb roll off, or 300lb KGun launched depth charges on submerged subs. Also the US and UK used the 24rd Hedgehog Mortar, the 4rd Mousetrap Version, or the heavy, 6rd Squid Mortar(UK).
They would look for submarines with their eyes and binos. Basically just looking at the ocean for the subs mast sticking out as it was getting air or possible for their periscopes
Nice work as always Friend! This is one I have not seen and your honest review made it more enjoyable and human.
I guessing someone else said this, but the midget sub was sunk by a regular gun on the destroyer. Perhaps a 4 inch or about 100 mm. Remember this was a midget sub. Small and lightly armored.
They had submarine hunting planes in WW2. They were kind of useless at night though because the way the they hunted and found subs Was by flying at a low altitude in areas not to far from the shores, locations that were well lit, and had calm wind, weather, and waves that way it wouldn't be too difficult to spot disturbances in the water. There would be a spotter on board using binoculars to scan the ocean top for things like shadows, air bubbles, sudden unnatural current changes from the Sub Making A turn, and if they couldn't find anything they would drop occasional depth charges to make any submarine underneath believe that they've been spotted which they would then take evasive actions giving away their location to the plane above That just tricked them. They originally operating strictly with naval ship Patrol groups and and let the naval ships do the majority of the hard lifting when it came to tracking down the Subs, but as the war went on too many ships and planes were getting sunk Faster then they were getting built which caused them to have to cover more territory and spread out in 2 ship our 2 plane hunting groups. They would use frequent radio contact though in order top maintain a close enough proximity to other 2 unit groups so that when a U boat was eventually spotted, all 2 unit groups who were in range would Quickly converge on that location they were spotted, where they would once again work as 1 big strike group to hunt and destroy the enemy. What time do they seen the most action though was when they would get word that supply ship caravans have successfully made the trip across the Atlantic and are about to make the Final Approach to the island. That's when all of the British ships and submarine hunting aircraft that were in range would rush to meet up with the Convoy to escort at the rest of the way in. A lot of the times that was the most dangerous portion of the trip because if German spice or u-bolts every spot the large Convoy or get word of it instead of confronted in open-ocean with overwhelming numbers against them, so they would instead gather their own allies and lay in wait somewhere along the end route since they usually knew where the ships would be docking at.
I love your videos man!
keep going!
They still considered battleships to be the jewel of fleets at that time.
Hi Arthur my cup just arrived and it is very good 👍 😊
algorithm bump. Let's get this man back some views!
That was the first days of having radar on the island 🏝 and they really believed it was a flight ✈ of bombers they were expecting in from California that day , and remember at the time the declaration of war had not yet been delivered
I loved this also! Good work!
Love yabbrother, Happy New Year!!
Here's a short vid on where that 5 in hole is Artur: th-cam.com/video/hc4hqr78psI/w-d-xo.html, oh and yes it was depth charged, but to finish it off, it was dead once the 5in shell smashed its conning tower, killing both crewmembers. It had 2 crew and only had 2 torpedoes. The boat was the Type A Ko-hyoteki-class with a length of 24 m, a beam (width) of 1.8 m, and a height of 3 m, with a displacement of 46 tons (submerged). Basically, these things were tiny.
My Grandmother's two youngest brothers died on the USS Arizona.
Artur
Speaking of Carriers, you already to Nimitz Class Carriers. Nimitz was named after Admiral Chester Nimitz who was commander of Pacific Fleet during WWII. Now, these carriers are getting older. New class of carriers are called Gerald R Ford Carriers named after former President Gerald R Ford who served in the Navy. 1st of this class is of course, USS Gerald R Ford aka The Ford. Reason for this information is that during the attack by Japanese that there was an African American man named Doris Miller who was serving on his ship as a cook. He goes by Dorie. During the attack, his captain was mortally wounded as Dorie tried to render aid to him. But captain died. As Japanese planes were attacking, Dorie manned one of anti- aircraft machine guns to shoot down some of the planes. Dorie was killed during the attack. His name will added as new name for a carrier when carrier will be launched in 2032. This carrier will be 1st non-President name. Usually, carriers are named for Presidents except for few occasions in the past. But new carrier will be named after 1st African American .
Dude Kings and Generals is totally my s*** too love that channel and if you like their fantasy Channel Wizard and warriors that one's pretty good too. keep on chugging Artur
Japan: haha I leveled your harbor
Merica: I will level your country
Everyone in the comments are talking about the subs but I'm curious as to why the Japanese attacked even though they knew the carriers weren't there? This whole time I thought the prime objective of the attack was to destroy the carriers there and then.
I strongly recommend a video for you called - "The Battle of Samar - Odds? What are those?"
I don’t know when you recorded this but Kings and Generals has actually already posted a couple of videos on the pacific war series which this video is a part of. You can find the playlist on their channel but be warned that it is not in order so you will have to look at the numbers in the titles of the videos in order to figure out which video comes first.
Keep it up Artur!
If you want a good action movie just about the Pacific in general I'd recommend the movie "Midway" as it goes from the Pearl Harbor attacks all the way to the turning point of the Battle of Midway and all the battles in-between those two events
In the famous words of the Japanese after the attack "I fear all we have done is wake a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve"
yes
am first
Can’t wait for you next video I’ll try buying a shirt.
Goat
Did that Limey say Nagumo Chuichi? Try Chuichi Nagumo.
I mean the issue for Japan is that Peal Harbor was shallow do we just refloated most of our ships.
Killin me how he's saying O'ahu🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Please react to this entire series by Kings and generals it has a few more parts. I think it might even still be on going and not finished.
The Japanese had a run of successes following Pearl Harbor--the Philippines, Singapore, the Dutch East Indies, Burma, Part of New Guinea--all the various South Pacific islands--it was a devastating show of military strength. All the more remarkable that a few months after Pearl Harbor the US was able to launch bombing raids on Japan itself, and the US won decisive naval victories at Coral Sea and Midway, which the IJN was never really able to overcome.
I would like to see you react to the Army-Navy game because Japan had a similar rivalry but they hashed it out irl and we hash it out with a football game
How’s everyone doing today
I don't know if you would care but I know that this same youtuber also has a channel that he goes over battles in fantasy and scifi series. Like star wars and the Witcher.
In case you haven't already, watch the movie "Tora Tora Tora". It's pretty accurate, and goes over a lot of what is in this video, and then some...
Artur, u ever watch the movie '1944'?
Also japanese midget subs had no oxygen on board and small batteries for its electric underwater motor so they had to go up often for the crew to breathe and when they came up the destroyer used its gun on it, and the midget sub isnt meant to dive deep so it was made of pretty thin unarmored metal
I love this channel, it’s very informative
No date comments
Feel bad about the cups and stuff but in America trying to buy anything right now is hard because of how much inflation has gone up.
@@darth-hellhound6534 I approve your message. Lol
There’s a movie called Pearl Harbor from 2001 which has the attack with great amount of detail and pretty graphic as well. I had a great uncle who served in Navy and was stationed in Pearl on the day of the attack in of which he survived. After the attack he switched service from the Navy to the Marines and have fought in every battle according to his service records.
P.S. I know Pearl Harbor sucks for the most part.
Apart from the attack scene that movie sucks, Tora Tora Tora is better
what bothered me the most was there were Iowa’s and other modern ships
If Bay had just focused on the event itself instead of some bullshit love story than maybe it could've been decent
@@terryharrow3127 lol so true
@@terryharrow3127 You forget Titanic was huge and they were trying to copy that movies ‘formula’ so they had to toss in something like the love story in Titanic.
Even though the story of the two airmen who took off to fight the Japanese is good enough to have stood on its own but whatever Michael Bay.
It is not correct that the Japanese knew the carriers weren't at pearl harbor. The Japanese talk force left Japan on 26 November. The Enterprise left pearl on 28 November and Lexington left on 5 December. There wasn't enough time for that information to get from Hawaii to Japan then to the Japanese talk force.
The early morning scouting by Japanese scout planes probably noticed their absence, but by then the attack was on.
Battleships were the main force at the beginning of the war.
You could hunt subs with plains back them subs spent as much time if nit more running on the surface , back then they couldn't pull Oxygen from water like they do now they gad to surface regularly and exchange the air in the boat with fresh outside air or suffocate or die of carbon dioxide
I you enjoyed this video you should definitely check out Drachinifel's three part video "The Salvage of Pearl Harbor" He does a great job of explaining how the US battleships were repaired and put back into service. Fantastic video. Also love your videos, keep up the good work.
Artur Rehi when in the next part of epic history to Napoleonic war
Japanese also attacked our bases at the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island and Midway.
Please react to how to abandon a country by Squire or if Fury was a German film
So why did the U.S.S Ward radio in that they just sank a Submarine close to Pearl Harbor...🤯
Please react to the rest of the Napoleonic wars series by epic history TV you just reacted to half.
Definitely needs to
Listen to Dan Carlin's supernova in the east it's very good
wait a minute.....i thought there's only 4 japanese carriers involved🤔
Another great reaction, Artur! In WW2, the submarines were really boats that could submerge. When they submerged they operated on battery power, and batteries back then were nothing like they are now. The huge battery packs they had on the subs would last a couple hours at most. So, the subs actually operated above the water most of the time, submerging only when needed (to attack, or evade an attack, for instance). This made them pretty easy to see from an airplane.
A couple hours?? A U-boat could remain submerged for 2 of 3 days at 5 knots before needing to recharge the batteries, but it was common to run submerged during the day and run the diesels to recharge at night.
@@darth-hellhound6534 My comment was based on what little I'd learned about subs of WW2, then I read your comm3nt, and I decided to learn more. Based on what I've since read, and heard from the crews and officers of those u-boats (U-boots?), I think your thinking about the type XXI u-boat. The type VII was the most common u-boat, followed by the type IX, and those were only able to stay submerged for a couple hours if they used the batteries minimally. The type XXI, that came out at the end of the war, was able to stay submerged and run on batteries for 2-3 days, then only needed to go up to snorkel depth to raise the snorkel and recharge the batteries with the diesel engine. Only 4 of these were completed to combat readiness by the end of the war, and only 2 were actually sent on patrol.
Surface ships use depcharges but other subs can torpedo another sub I don't know if other big ships had torpedos at the time but if they did you could set the depth and a baring and fire on them
You should react the series called "If The US Joined The Axis"
The planes can spot the large shapes of submarines under water because it creates a black mass just below the surface, and they sunk the midget sub my shooting a deck cannon at it.
Also a diesel sub needs to run on the surface because they have limited range on their batteries.
Hey Arthur, you should react to History Buff's "Midway". It gives an historical analysis of both the battle and the movie. It is a great one.
he looks like Estonian Chris Evans
It was ambitious but up tell the battle of midway they never lost a battel , then right before the battle of midway we broke their code and they lost the battle and never won another one after that
@6:23 you're overthinking it from a (the) tactical perspective of early 1940s: subs rarely went far below the waterline & would therefore be visible by overhead observation. This was a major element of counter-surveil operations for gas & diesel subs.
Ok. Be careful from where one gets his info from. For example, this video's "intel" notwithstanding, there is mil intel based on written Japanese intel the US carriers were at port. It is presumed this is why the attack started; even if the intel was wrong - or the post-attack AAR was wrong - it's obvious the attack occurred, and so if the Japanese attack was "meant for" THAT and "based on" THIS, then anything For or Against is of the attacking Nation-State's volition.
@7:58 "we know it from history", why did they not attack with more (I'm paraphrasing your Q). I rather think this a simple matter of "are we sending enough to sink 3 carriers?", then the answer is a resounding YES so far as capacity goes. In other words, 10 carriers of Japanese attack capability - had such a thing existed lol - would have sealed the deal... if only the USA carriers had been where they were reported to be 18 hrs before the attack itself commenced. Said another way, 3 attacking carriers, 6 attacking, 10 attacking.... the attackers were looking for the defending air force (naval or otherwise) from a sea-borne platform... that wasn't around. I wonder how the damage may have been greater than it was in actuality.
As a Patreon, I encourage you to find a more-accurate channel. Just basing this on the OP video itself; cause: lack of accuracy.
React to anything King and Generals 🙏🙏
Here in 2022
You should react to The Napoleonic Wars: Downfall (1809 - 1814) by Epic History TV
Hey bloke,seasons greetings. Check out sub detection advancement during the air battle of the Atlantic
Ward used its 3 and 5 inch cannons to destroy the midget submarine, unlike full sized submarines, the midgets subs are extremely fragile as Naval craft go, a single hit from a machine would be likely to puncture its hull.
Even a full sized sub could be sunk by a 3 inch shell. Submarines in general are fragile as hell.
@@darth-hellhound6534 Of that era yes a 3 inch might do, a modern sub would probably be able to shrug 3 inch off, they are actually came strong hulls today.
Are u gonna watch the hoi4 draft game on tommykay’s twitch?
You should react to operation praying mantis the last naval battle the us was involved in against iran.