Matt, this is your best title yet, and it definitely fit what have best described the Kings. All talk, no action! Us fans are tired of this because we know they can do better.
Exactly, I almost feel like he was rebelling against Brown for those comments. One of his worst games effort wise. Not only getting beat on D by Reaves, like Matt pointed out, but some possessions, Monk or Ellis would get the board and sprint up the court and Fox is just jogging down. Then should've been smarter than getting that silly reach foul not even half way through the 3rd when already having 4 fouls. It was still a really close game, with a lot of time left.....just let the guy score.
Love this... Saying the things other afraid of saying... I wanna make a segment myself on the thoughts of this and the entire situation. Hopefully we can see a turnaround, but as you stated, it's a hard team to be confident in, in it's current state.
I don't like Fox going to podcasts and talking about the team and organization and not leading the team on and off the court. So, therefore, I'm trading him and not giving him the max.
We witness a master class in game management by Lebron James last night. The Kings played at the LAKERS pace all night, which is slow and slower. Lebron James, Rui, and AD, got favorable match ups all night vs the Kings small forwards Demar and Keegan. This game showed why the Kings miss Harrison Barnes. Harrison Barnes could guard bigger forwards. Lebron abuse Demar all night in the post. I agree with Coach Brown the ball got stuck a lot, the Lakers did not respect Demar 3 point shot, which allowed them to shut down the paint. Shutting down the paint, kept Fox and Malik from attacking the paint and finding splash 3s. Also on a lot of plays the shooters were open and the ball never found them. Last night was the perfect game to play a line up of Fox, Malik, Keegan, Jae Crowder and Sabonis, for long stretches, to get the pace up. Jae Crowder keeps the ball moving! And Jae is a much better defender than Demar. Smart NBA teams know how to beat the Kings now, attack their small front line, let Demar take tough 2s, cheat off Demar clog up the paint so Fox and Malik cant kill you with paint attacks and splash 3s.
As a blazers fan I’m curious what y’all think about Jerami Grant and Robert Williams in particular. I feel like they’d both help the kings out immensely but don’t watch them enough to have a good gauge on where they’re at and what their biggest needs are
I hope now all fans realized that FOX is what holding us back. He is an amazing player but not the type or leader that can bring this team up higher. He is NOT a supermax at all
I just can’t believe the honeymoon period for Demar was so short, borderline non existent! It’s like the worst-case scenario for this trade deal instantly came true (no length, defensive fragility, and not enough consistent offense to make up for it). Some franchises like the Kings just seem to get all the bad breaks smh
@@obryn I'd honestly rather the players first try to play without a coach, like Lebron often does essentially. I can't imagine this much talent would be sub .500 if they were actually having fun. They're a competitive group but they are getting micromanaged in the dumbest ways and not managed at all in other ways It's supposed to be a fun game. Go out there and just have fun, and the competitive drive naturally will take over. When someone repeatedly tells you to go out there and compete hard, you naturally lose your own internal drive. Let them play basketball like it's a game and not a chore. Because it is a game.
Nets fan here, send them picks for Cam J … feel like a perfect world starting lineup would be Fox, Monk, Cam J, Keegan, Sabonis with Derozan off the bench 👀👀👀
Fox wen on podcast claiming he wants to win but then in game he is not doing his job in that supposed winning was just funny. The only guy whom I cant blame for not caring tonight was Sabonis. He seemed like the only one who cared. The rest just seemed lethargic and consistently losing 50/50 balls.
Superstars close out games, dominate @home. Send Fox home to New Orleans. Allow Carter as PG to develop. Brown stop forcing a natural 2 guard keegan @4. Andrew Wiggens// HB approves this mssg 🤪
I didn't have a problem with Fox's effort. I had a problem with his intelligence. He wasn't there mentally last night. I think it's time to admit the DeMar experiment has failed. His style isn't compatible with this team's mentality. Last night, there were a number of plays on defense where his man got an open 3, and he just half assedly slow walked towards them with no close out. On offense, there were a ton of plays where he literally ran into Sabonis. Poor understanding of spacing. In transition, there were a couple plays where the team was getting out and running, but DeMar had the ball, so we squandered the opportunity because he just saunters up the floor with no sense of urgency.
I have the solution. Trade Fox for either a long, athletic power forward of note or a small forward of the same type. Then here is your starting lineup: PG=Malik Monk. He has proven that the pick and roll with Sabonis is almost not guardable. Monk is averaging 7.3 assists in his last 10 games and would be a VERY capable point guard for this team. SG=DeMar DeRosan (If they get a SF for Fox, then DeMar has to be the shooting guard. Which I am fine with. Keegan Murray could guard the SG if DeMar couldn't. SF=Keegan Murray or the SF they get for Fox. PF=Keegan Murray or the PF they get for Fox. C=Domantas Sabonis This is a VERY solid starting five still and you hopefully get a near all-star or all-star for Fox to play SF or PF. Monk as the Kings starting point guard is something I am fine with. Yes, he is not the best defender in the world but he is a MUCH better shooter than Fox and isn't as ball dominant/selfish on offense.
What is the update on Devin Carter. Is he getting better or not. Is he practicing ? We ned to know if he can contribute to the team. If not somebody might be for a trade?
I don’t know why people keep saying there’s no reason to believe he’s lost the locker room…. If he’s telling people to do something and they are not doing it… that’s a sign to me
Cause Sacramento media collectively shamed Vivek Ranadive into extending Mike Brown prematurely and now can't admit they were very wrong. We're stuck with MB because of Sacramento media forcing Vivek into extending him
As I said last week the management should start inquiring about players available For trade from the pelicans,trailblazers,raptors, wizards They will surely unload players to start rebuilding. Avoid too much talking about justifying the losses. There is problem of motivation, coaching is another problem. Brown is not the answer for the kings to elevate to the next level. McNair wake up start shopping around.
At this point no one should be shielded from a trade move that will bring in players who will leave it all on the court to win with the exception of Domantas. I do not think anyone out works him every game. In the mean time, they have ruined Keegan's offensive game by making him the focal point of what passes for "Defense" on this team. Let him get back to what he does best.
Fox for vassel and castle and 4 first round picks spurs or heat with juarez herro ware for 3-4 first round picks… rudy gobert mikal bridges got that I’m sure some team will think highly of fox to give out more
"All Talk, No Action" - It's been like that for the last 2 years. Nothing new. Like I said, it doesn't matter how much you push this core to fight because they just don't have that natural character of a fighter. Sometimes they show it, other times NOT, it is not their natural character to fight. They are a group of nice guys, that's their DNA. What this team needs on the floor is a group of players that will fight, win or lose live with it. I am pretty sure there are guys who will fight just to have a chance of staying in the league. I still like my starting lineup of Fox, Ellis, Murray, Isaac Jones, Sabonis. Fox should be ball dominant here like SGA, none of those DHOs, back cuts will do just fine.
looks like we are in the brink of losing the season.. There is no sense of urgency with this current roster... Just my opinion is that we may have to part ways with Fox "soon" to get the most out of him
Well, we now know where we stand for this season. There is a lot of heart in this Kings team, however I'm tired of the poor decision making at the end of games. And this begins with Fox, who is easily the most talented guy on this team, but is not a point guard, and never will be. Sure, the team could be improved by a move from Monte before the trade deadline, but it's not going to turn things around.
Kings have had a lot more mental mistakes on offense this season because their spacing is terrible. Easy for the defense to shrink the Kings offense because they know DeMar isn’t shooting or hitting 3’s, Keegan is probably gonna brick, and they can live with Fox shooting 3’s.
How can any team build confidence when they are made to shoot threes any time they are not totally covered ? That means you come out cold at start of game and jack bricks and it’s downhill from there . Real basketball starts out shooting as close to rim as possible at starts and builds from that and shoots threes later in the game
Sabonis is my favorite player and I hope he will really soon get out of this trash. He is the only one who battles and cares about this team. How can you be a winner when you play for losing teams? He deserves better.
I don't think the Kings should or would trade Fox at all. First of all It'll probably be really hard to get something fitting, worthwhile, or considerable for De'Arron Fox. Like Monte would've probably traded Fox over Haliburton if he could've right? If we trade Fox away then the Kings identity, the face of the franchise is gone, meaning were probably rebuilding or going for a Hail Mary playoff run, and neither of those sound good to me. I don't even 100% fully believe Fox is actually thinking about leaving in free agency either. He's most likely just saying if the Kings don't make ANY attempt of a good roster move than he WILL start thinking about leaving; for now it's just on the backburner of possibilities. Then there's the fact that Fox is probably just waiting to see if he's eligible for the supermax contract right so why leave money on the table? Hell, if Fox gets traded how is Malik Monk going to react to that? I'll agree that part of the Kings struggling has to do with Fox as the leader but how can you expect him to give it his all when others aren't fulfilling their part? It's like a Vicious Cycle where the players rely on the coach, the coach depends on the GM, and the GM needs the players to perform well to facilitate a potential trade. I personally think that the Kings lack depth to finish off games strong. Making it hard on the Players and Mike Brown to get anything started, or to get the momentum rolling when every freaking game is a coin toss. There's just no consistency. I'm not blaming Monte McNair but really everything depends on him rounding out this team. I think Monte is going to have to make a move by trading away our future draft picks and some players, likely Huerter, for the best rounded out roster he can make. It's definitely not going to come by waiting for Devin Carter or late round draft picks...
@@Jay-hi3lt I'm saying Fox is a hard player to shop while also trying to get a good fit in return ... I know that its a bad example but It's likely trading Fox means were rebuilding or the players we get in return are not the same caliber. If were going that route we might as well just trade Keegan.
@@FemboyFishing femboy I think Fox is gone anyways . I sit near the court and rich paul was talking to Fox wife all night . Fox did not perform well because he was auditioning for rich Paul and his next team . This is just my opinion .... worst thing that happens to Sacramento was Fox signing with clutch agency rich Paul's agency ...
Think about the following Matt: If they do well for the rest of this 9 games and win 6 or more, then the front office will say: we believe in the guys thus they dont make any big trades at the break. So maybe, just maybe if Fox is playing 80% and they still under .500 he can provoke the front office to do something. And if he doesnt see an improved roster he is for sure not signing an extension. In my opinion is up to Fox to put pressure on the front office as a leader. How he chooses it to do it is his own decission He can either try to score 30-35-40 a game every night and just play no matter what or he can say: the FOffice is not adding valuable pieces so I am not adding more than I am at the moment. I hope he picks the first one. That way it is a win win for him as well as the team. He wins more value and respect and he can decide to go or to stay. And the team will win some games plus the fans are going to be happier. Take care ;) ps. Let's go Sasha (Vezenkov)🥳 Doing amazing in Europe, again
I believe in Fox more than ever, to chuck 3’s every game and go for ill-advised steals. Maybe sprinkle in some petty comments about how he wants to win but doesn’t do anything to help win.
I hope I’m wrong but I think they did play their hardest tonight and this might just be it. I/we keep saying and hoping they’ll get better but ….well you know
@TheStarsShineForYou Him and Monte McNair, and the development coaches have done AWFUL. Look what Keegan went from to what he is now. Look what happened to Huerter, all confidence down the drain. I do NOT blame fox for this bullshit. Mike Brown has been god awful. Half of the possessions they run "sets" that get no one an open shot. Sabonis has really dropped on using the DHO. Instead of running a set for DeRozan they'd rather run a stupid iso play into a contested middie instead of running the DHO with Sabonis for an easy look literally every fucking time. His rotations are mind boggling. You have Isaac Jones who was playing 18 min per game on great production for 5 straight games and classic mike Brown he goes 4 games straight for a period there without getting a single minute even though he's EXACTLY what we need. A tall forward with a long wingspan that hustles, blocks shots and plays defense. Actually has the gall to give KEON ELLIS DNPs!!!???? This dudes a clown.
DeRoz doesn't work on either side of the ball! It has stunted Keegan, I think he would be better off the bench. After Fox got in foul trouble Monk stepped up but didn't get much help other than Domas. The refs might as well have been wearing yellow that aside if they would have taken care of things early the refs wouldn't have thought they were in LA. This was by far the most disappointing game I have watched since Buddy was dapping up the Celtics after the Kings lost by almost 50
Why make a move and trade draft picks when this team just proves time and time again they are not worth going all in on. We may need our draft picks if Fox is going to end up leaving.
I'm slowing but surely starting to hope Fox DOESN'T resign with us. This fanbase doesn't deserve him. Every time things don't go right, everybody turns on whomever our "best player" is, like it's SOLELY his fault, as if he's supposed to be LeBron and carry 12 guys by himself. It was the same thing with everybody going back to Chris Webber. It's no wonder why nobody ever wants to sign here. The problems with thIs team CANNOT be solved by a 6'3" point guard. People need to get out of their feelings and stop looking for a scapegoat. The TEAM has holes in it. The same holes that have been present for the last 2 years.
I can live with a loss if the team and especially their star leader plays with their heart out but no one on the team including Fox is looking like they even want to be out on the floor lately.
Sabonis is the all nba team member and multi year all star but his contract to much to move 🤨. The media has him all nba very year but the Fox gets all the criticism
I have been the biggest fox supporter from arguing on ig to buying his merch. After this week I'm over him. The signs have always been there but I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but the proof is in the pudding. He is incapable of being the superstar leader that Sacramento needs. He couldn't do it at Kentucky and he hasn't shown us the capability in 8 years. That's not a small sample size. He is a talented player but it's evident on the court that he feels he needs to supplement the team rather than lead it and that's not what the kings need 🤷🏾♂️
The Warriors are smaller than the Kings but the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the league. Look it up yourself. Stop drinking the Sac media koolaid. They just can't admit they were wrong to shame Vivek into extending a bad coach prematurely
Mike Brown does not have the respect of the team. There is no motivation and desire to win at all. If they want play hard chances of victory is there. They came back from a 20 point deficit against the nuggets Only to lose by one point. They came back against the lakers and at one time they led before half time. Then they gave up. And played like an NBA G league team.
Monte has only made moves when forced and most all of the additions add no to little value. He built a roster to play only 1 way. A way in which leaves the team absolutely defenseless in the paint. Our most expensive player gets a lot of rebounds and can do dhos and pnrs, great. WHERE IS THE FKING DEFENSE?!?!
Trade fox, derozen, definitely trade Murray, and heurter and Lyles. Keep monk, sabonis, and Ellis. Get draft picks and some good young players and go big on this next year with a team that is going to play hard. Murray has shown that he isn't that guy and honestly isn't near it. It's time to make a trade.
King's announcers are cringy subpar downers and it should be addressed. They are not kings fans at all> you are a superfan and it seems like you could tell the difference ...the bad energy is stagnant/ idiotic verbiage with kayte and either one of the weirdos she sits with
Kyle Draper is pretty solid…but Mark Jones and Kayte Christiansen are pretty obnoxious and amateurs. Grant Napear was the “voice of the Kings” for just over 3 decades. They should really apologize to him for doing him wrong, and offer him his job back with a pretty penny. That or get Bibby away from Pre/Post game and have him call the games alongside Kyle Draper.
Great show. Kings need to trade fox, give him a winning team, great player, but easiest way to shake up the team and get some length. It's not realistic to require fox to have a top 10 quality game on both ends to need to win.
The problem with the Kings, is that people don't want to admit the flaws and weaknesses of certain players.. Everyone keeps looking at the "numbers", the "analytics".. But numbers aren't people.. People have souls, attitudes, personalities.. And it's there, that the problems lie.. Number one.. Fox is not a star.. Fox scores a lot of points.. Stars LEAD!! They lead by example.. They make the plays you need, when they are needed.. They stop other teams runs.. They start your teams runs.. They motivate others.. He is NONE of those things.. He said so on Draymond's podcast!! He's waiting to see if the team is ever going to bring in someone to LEAD them to winning.. Because in almost a decade, he hasn't done it!! He's soft.. Quiet.. Unself motivating!! Even his coach has said that.. But people like him (because he's a nice beta).. He scores a lot (just not the points you need), and he makes a lot of money (over paid).. So apparently those things make him a star.. He'd get lost on another team.. He would not be the guy anywhere else.. Maybe a number two, but not the leader.. We keep wanting him to be someone he isn't!! Number two.. Keegan.. I'm a huge Keegan fan, but he's also soft.. Beta.. Skilled, but not aggressive.. Always deferring.. Too nice.. Yet he's untouchable in trade talks.. Because we don't want him to go somewhere else and blossom - a big Sacramento problem.. We hold on to people that don't make us winners, because we don't want them to go somewhere else and win!! Which brings me to number three.. Mike Brown does not seem to be able to motivate.. Does he have high basketball IQ, yes.. Does he know what needs to be done?? Yes.. Can he get them to do it?? Apparently not.. Now, to his defense, Fox is never going to be a leader, and Keegan isn't going to be aggressive.. It's not who they are.. So, maybe it's number four.. Number four, refusal to change!! The goal of a team is to get better!! We don't do that.. McNair doesn't make changes.. Did it once, getting us Sabonis (who is a true core piece), then he stopped.. Waiting for magic to happen.. Refusing to do what needs to be done.. For example, we desperately need a star wing.. What did we draft?? Another guard.. That seems to be all he can draft, guards.. We need wings right now.. And players with Malik Monk's playing mentality and attitude.. These are all things that "analytics" won't tell you.. But they are the reasons this team loses.. But we'll win a couple of games, hit .500 and the numbers will say the team is, OK..
I`m not much of a fan of any player on the Kings` roster. GM is hot garbage. Fox is a street baller, Sabonis is a terrible defender as is DeRozen. Other players don`t stand out for much.
Need to anoint a TEAM CAPTAIN, Coach Brown can’t do this on his own…. I vote for Sabone and Monk. Trade Foxy/KM and they’d be a solid playoff team if they manage it correctly. This is a game and a biz, don’t fall so in luv with certain player that you can’t see the forest thru the trees…otherwise, even if they made play-in, they r not good enough and you have to trade something to get something. Id trade KM 1st and go from there, his boxing-out was a joke last night…. I was like wtf. Foxy goes 1000mph into the lane and turns it over, hez no AI (that dude was tough and that’s when they used to just hammer guyz in the paint)…
BS. Warriors are smaller than the Kings but GS is the 2nd in rebounding in the entire league and they play bigger and better. Too much talent on this roster is getting wasted by Mike Brown's ineptitude
The Warriors, hmmmmm, yeah all they have is one of the bad A$$ in Draymond Green, one of the greatest player in Steph Curry and just a tiny fraction of sparklers - 5 Championships to go with their kingship. What does Sacramento have? Tiny is an understatement.
@@mellarx1277 36 year old Steph Curry and 34 year old Draymond are superior to prime Sabonis Fox and Monk + 35 year old Derozan? Is that what youre saying? Seems like Golden State is doing way more with way less. We thought we ended their dynasty last year and we were the better team, remember? What do Curry and Draymond have to do with rebounding, anyway? I just said the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the league, despite being smaller than the Kings. Draymond and Curry only average 6 and 5 rebounds a game. Why are the Warriors SMALLER than the Kings but the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the NBA while the Kings are "sTrUgGLiN iN tHe LaNd Of GiAnTs"?
@@mellarx1277 So you have nothing to say about the Warriors being a tinier team than the Kings yet the Warriors are 2nd best rebounding team in the NBA?
Fox is doing exactly what Devante Adams did going on podcasts and while down low trying to control management decisions.Better move him before teams lower his value knowing he’s gonna leave anyway.McNair is not the GM I want making that move.Start the search for a New GM NOW !
Fox is not a superstar player, and the Kings seem to be experiencing buyer's remorse. They transition from an aging Harrison Barnes, who has size, to an older DeMar DeRozan, who lacks size. In my opinion, they are both similar types of players, which represents a downgrade. DeMar DeRozan at 35 years old is not what the Kings needed!
@ he’s a midrange player with bad defense and no 3 pt shot. You need spacers around domas and fox. He has disrupted the flow of the offense that made the kings successful to begin with. I can put together a montage of domas asking for the ball which in previous years was for a DHO but demar decides to go into the post or set up a middy for himself. His game is simply not translating to winning for this. And this isn’t the first time this has happened.
@@hobowithagun24so what was the problem last season? Derozen did lead his team to the playoffs regardless if he won every match up or not. Fox and company have fallen off before Derozen
Don’t agree with your opinion. Usually pretty close but not this time. They came out with energy, especially Fox. They weren’t shooting good. The main downside of Fox is he’s not a good long shooter. Very good midrange but struggles on 3’s. Does get hot! Defensively he did good and reason he got beat was screens. The effort was a reason he got in foul trouble. Totally disagree with you on this! Monk had energy also but missed shots and passes. Lakers have a good defense inside with blocks. Sabonis had a tough time with Davis. Derozan was off shooting and Keegan was great on defense holding Labron but struggles continue shooting. Lastly Brown’s substitution is terrible. I know pro teams like to do patterns but much of the time players taken out when rolling. Got to adjust with how people playing. Fact is length is a problem and no matter what anyone says if they don’t shoot good they have a hard time losing. I think you were to emotional and negative because they lost. If both Labron and Davis playing healthy (had plenty rest going into this game), they’re better. Got to deal with that.
Matt, this is your best title yet, and it definitely fit what have best described the Kings. All talk, no action! Us fans are tired of this because we know they can do better.
GREAT show Matt...you really bring the intelligence and the passion...ty
18:17 Fox is tripping. He trying to get the front office to make moves while he ain’t doing his own job
Exactly, I almost feel like he was rebelling against Brown for those comments. One of his worst games effort wise. Not only getting beat on D by Reaves, like Matt pointed out, but some possessions, Monk or Ellis would get the board and sprint up the court and Fox is just jogging down. Then should've been smarter than getting that silly reach foul not even half way through the 3rd when already having 4 fouls. It was still a really close game, with a lot of time left.....just let the guy score.
First-time listener ! Great discourse and analysis
Derozan is the guy to move as the main asset in a trade. It was an interesting experiment but it’s just not working.
He’s a massive liability defensively.
@@GeeElLobodude spams turnaround jumpshots
That ruined the Chemistry of this team. As I said they did not need him at all
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Love this... Saying the things other afraid of saying... I wanna make a segment myself on the thoughts of this and the entire situation. Hopefully we can see a turnaround, but as you stated, it's a hard team to be confident in, in it's current state.
I don't like Fox going to podcasts and talking about the team and organization and not leading the team on and off the court. So, therefore, I'm trading him and not giving him the max.
Devante Adams 2.0
Same
Really good point
Appreciate that honest assessment 💯
Been a Kings fan since the late 90s. I'm done with this season... And I'm very close to being done with the team... 😢
100% on Fox for going on a rivals podcast and trash talking his own team, lot of emotions in that locker room I bet
He did NOT trash talk his teammates. You made that up.
@ saying sabonis is not a winner inherently go watch what he said, he is implying they cant win with what they have
Goo KINGS !!! Happy holidays🎉🎉🎉
Agents don’t want their players to play for the Kings unless they’re past their prime because they consider the Kings a career killer.
We witness a master class in game management by Lebron James last night. The Kings played at the LAKERS pace all night, which is slow and slower. Lebron James, Rui, and AD, got favorable match ups all night vs the Kings small forwards Demar and Keegan. This game showed why the Kings miss Harrison Barnes. Harrison Barnes could guard bigger forwards. Lebron abuse Demar all night in the post. I agree with Coach Brown the ball got stuck a lot, the Lakers did not respect Demar 3 point shot, which allowed them to shut down the paint. Shutting down the paint, kept Fox and Malik from attacking the paint and finding splash 3s. Also on a lot of plays the shooters were open and the ball never found them. Last night was the perfect game to play a line up of Fox, Malik, Keegan, Jae Crowder and Sabonis, for long stretches, to get the pace up. Jae Crowder keeps the ball moving! And Jae is a much better defender than Demar. Smart NBA teams know how to beat the Kings now, attack their small front line, let Demar take tough 2s, cheat off Demar clog up the paint so Fox and Malik cant kill you with paint attacks and splash 3s.
Not. Like this would matter 😂 yall just had a great shooting team and done nothing with it what yall are lacking is a superstar yall don’t have that
Nothing special about the Lakers lol. The Kings let their opponent dictate the pace of play no matter who they are against
As a blazers fan I’m curious what y’all think about Jerami Grant and Robert Williams in particular. I feel like they’d both help the kings out immensely but don’t watch them enough to have a good gauge on where they’re at and what their biggest needs are
Shameful and gutless. The Kings should have felt embarrassed about wearing that jersey last night.
I hope now all fans realized that FOX is what holding us back. He is an amazing player but not the type or leader that can bring this team up higher. He is NOT a supermax at all
No way super max
Sorry I like Mike IDK basketball well enough but they have tuned him out
He is not a leader,
I just can’t believe the honeymoon period for Demar was so short, borderline non existent! It’s like the worst-case scenario for this trade deal instantly came true (no length, defensive fragility, and not enough consistent offense to make up for it). Some franchises like the Kings just seem to get all the bad breaks smh
I can’t think what could change to suddenly make this team consistently good as is. We have seen enough games now. Something probably needs to change.
When Mike said he's gotta find someone, I took that as him looking for replacement or additions in the coaching staff
Maybe Mike can step down if he wants to help the team.
@ why don’t you apply for the coaching position?
@@obryn I'd honestly rather the players first try to play without a coach, like Lebron often does essentially. I can't imagine this much talent would be sub .500 if they were actually having fun. They're a competitive group but they are getting micromanaged in the dumbest ways and not managed at all in other ways
It's supposed to be a fun game. Go out there and just have fun, and the competitive drive naturally will take over. When someone repeatedly tells you to go out there and compete hard, you naturally lose your own internal drive. Let them play basketball like it's a game and not a chore. Because it is a game.
I think this game on Saturday will really determine how this season will go
Dude stop moving the goal post . lol this team is done ... Saturday might be the night they all play together that's it ...
It’s time to tear down this mess. Start over. This core has gone as far as it can. Everyone would be better off with a fresh start.
Try a good coach first. Mike Brown is awful
29:31 How do you know that trading Fox won't result in something better for the team?
How’d that trading HB and bench depth work out for Kings? “Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.”
Best show in town!
Nets fan here, send them picks for Cam J … feel like a perfect world starting lineup would be Fox, Monk, Cam J, Keegan, Sabonis with Derozan off the bench 👀👀👀
Fox wen on podcast claiming he wants to win but then in game he is not doing his job in that supposed winning was just funny. The only guy whom I cant blame for not caring tonight was Sabonis. He seemed like the only one who cared. The rest just seemed lethargic and consistently losing 50/50 balls.
RIP 24, those were the fun days.
The problem is fox.. always has been. He's a great player, we need a great leader.
It’s time for Monte McVest, MB and Fox to go. Time to retool by trading Fox for as many assets as possible. Make Doug head coach.
Superstars close out games, dominate @home. Send Fox home to New Orleans. Allow Carter as PG to develop. Brown stop forcing a natural 2 guard keegan @4. Andrew Wiggens// HB approves this mssg 🤪
I didn't have a problem with Fox's effort. I had a problem with his intelligence. He wasn't there mentally last night.
I think it's time to admit the DeMar experiment has failed. His style isn't compatible with this team's mentality. Last night, there were a number of plays on defense where his man got an open 3, and he just half assedly slow walked towards them with no close out. On offense, there were a ton of plays where he literally ran into Sabonis. Poor understanding of spacing. In transition, there were a couple plays where the team was getting out and running, but DeMar had the ball, so we squandered the opportunity because he just saunters up the floor with no sense of urgency.
Keegan Murray literally will never be anywhere near as close to as good as Ron Artest Metta World Peace
I have the solution. Trade Fox for either a long, athletic power forward of note or a small forward of the same type. Then here is your starting lineup:
PG=Malik Monk. He has proven that the pick and roll with Sabonis is almost not guardable. Monk is averaging 7.3 assists in his last 10 games and would be a VERY capable point guard for this team.
SG=DeMar DeRosan (If they get a SF for Fox, then DeMar has to be the shooting guard. Which I am fine with. Keegan Murray could guard the SG if DeMar couldn't.
SF=Keegan Murray or the SF they get for Fox.
PF=Keegan Murray or the PF they get for Fox.
C=Domantas Sabonis
This is a VERY solid starting five still and you hopefully get a near all-star or all-star for Fox to play SF or PF. Monk as the Kings starting point guard is something I am fine with. Yes, he is not the best defender in the world but he is a MUCH better shooter than Fox and isn't as ball dominant/selfish on offense.
What is the update on Devin Carter. Is he getting better or not. Is he practicing ? We ned to know if he can contribute to the team. If not somebody might be for a trade?
I don’t know why people keep saying there’s no reason to believe he’s lost the locker room…. If he’s telling people to do something and they are not doing it… that’s a sign to me
Cause Sacramento media collectively shamed Vivek Ranadive into extending Mike Brown prematurely and now can't admit they were very wrong. We're stuck with MB because of Sacramento media forcing Vivek into extending him
As I said last week the management should start inquiring about players available
For trade from the pelicans,trailblazers,raptors, wizards They will surely unload players to start rebuilding. Avoid too much talking about justifying the losses. There is problem of motivation, coaching is another problem. Brown is not the answer for the kings to elevate to the next level. McNair wake up start shopping around.
At this point no one should be shielded from a trade move that will bring in players who will leave it all on the court to win with the exception of Domantas. I do not think anyone out works him every game. In the mean time, they have ruined Keegan's offensive game by making him the focal point of what passes for "Defense" on this team. Let him get back to what he does best.
Fox for vassel and castle and 4 first round picks spurs or heat with juarez herro ware for 3-4 first round picks… rudy gobert mikal bridges got that I’m sure some team will think highly of fox to give out more
Yikes that’s a lot of 1st
"All Talk, No Action" - It's been like that for the last 2 years. Nothing new. Like I said, it doesn't matter how much you push this core to fight because they just don't have that natural character of a fighter. Sometimes they show it, other times NOT, it is not their natural character to fight. They are a group of nice guys, that's their DNA.
What this team needs on the floor is a group of players that will fight, win or lose live with it. I am pretty sure there are guys who will fight just to have a chance of staying in the league.
I still like my starting lineup of Fox, Ellis, Murray, Isaac Jones, Sabonis. Fox should be ball dominant here like SGA, none of those DHOs, back cuts will do just fine.
looks like we are in the brink of losing the season.. There is no sense of urgency with this current roster... Just my opinion is that we may have to part ways with Fox "soon" to get the most out of him
Monte is a coward if he does not blow it up at this point. Accumulate picks. Trade who you can for them.
Huerter, Carter, a lottery protected 1st for Cam Johnson. Lyles, Colby, and 2 2nds for Jonas Valenciunas.
Perfect fuckin title
Well, we now know where we stand for this season. There is a lot of heart in this Kings team, however I'm tired of the poor decision making at the end of games.
And this begins with Fox, who is easily the most talented guy on this team, but is not a point guard, and never will be.
Sure, the team could be improved by a move from Monte before the trade deadline, but it's not going to turn things around.
Kings have had a lot more mental mistakes on offense this season because their spacing is terrible. Easy for the defense to shrink the Kings offense because they know DeMar isn’t shooting or hitting 3’s, Keegan is probably gonna brick, and they can live with Fox shooting 3’s.
How can any team build confidence when they are made to shoot threes any time they are not totally covered ?
That means you come out cold at start of game and jack bricks and it’s downhill from there .
Real basketball starts out shooting as close to rim as possible at starts and builds from that and shoots threes later in the game
Sabonis is my favorite player and I hope he will really soon get out of this trash. He is the only one who battles and cares about this team. How can you be a winner when you play for losing teams? He deserves better.
The kings are in deep trouble !!! we need enforcer
Matt said bet the over in wins for the team this season… says it was a easy bet smh
Time to trade Fox and get some value out of it like how OKC did with KD and look how they turned it around by doing that?
The correct answer is to improve the bench.
Matt Fox is their only point guard
I don't think the Kings should or would trade Fox at all.
First of all It'll probably be really hard to get something fitting, worthwhile, or considerable for De'Arron Fox. Like Monte would've probably traded Fox over Haliburton if he could've right? If we trade Fox away then the Kings identity, the face of the franchise is gone, meaning were probably rebuilding or going for a Hail Mary playoff run, and neither of those sound good to me. I don't even 100% fully believe Fox is actually thinking about leaving in free agency either. He's most likely just saying if the Kings don't make ANY attempt of a good roster move than he WILL start thinking about leaving; for now it's just on the backburner of possibilities. Then there's the fact that Fox is probably just waiting to see if he's eligible for the supermax contract right so why leave money on the table? Hell, if Fox gets traded how is Malik Monk going to react to that?
I'll agree that part of the Kings struggling has to do with Fox as the leader but how can you expect him to give it his all when others aren't fulfilling their part? It's like a Vicious Cycle where the players rely on the coach, the coach depends on the GM, and the GM needs the players to perform well to facilitate a potential trade. I personally think that the Kings lack depth to finish off games strong. Making it hard on the Players and Mike Brown to get anything started, or to get the momentum rolling when every freaking game is a coin toss. There's just no consistency. I'm not blaming Monte McNair but really everything depends on him rounding out this team. I think Monte is going to have to make a move by trading away our future draft picks and some players, likely Huerter, for the best rounded out roster he can make. It's definitely not going to come by waiting for Devin Carter or late round draft picks...
Indiana didn't want Fox they want Tyrese that is the rumor around the team . Kings tried to give Fox Indian said no ...
@@Jay-hi3lt I'm saying Fox is a hard player to shop while also trying to get a good fit in return ... I know that its a bad example but It's likely trading Fox means were rebuilding or the players we get in return are not the same caliber. If were going that route we might as well just trade Keegan.
@@FemboyFishing femboy I think Fox is gone anyways . I sit near the court and rich paul was talking to Fox wife all night . Fox did not perform well because he was auditioning for rich Paul and his next team . This is just my opinion .... worst thing that happens to Sacramento was Fox signing with clutch agency rich Paul's agency ...
I'd say trade DeRozan, but who's gonna want him? Best return will be trading Fox.
Think about the following Matt:
If they do well for the rest of this 9 games and win 6 or more, then the front office will say: we believe in the guys thus they dont make any big trades at the break. So maybe, just maybe if Fox is playing 80% and they still under .500 he can provoke the front office to do something. And if he doesnt see an improved roster he is for sure not signing an extension.
In my opinion is up to Fox to put pressure on the front office as a leader. How he chooses it to do it is his own decission
He can either try to score 30-35-40 a game every night and just play no matter what or he can say: the FOffice is not adding valuable pieces so I am not adding more than I am at the moment. I hope he picks the first one. That way it is a win win for him as well as the team. He wins more value and respect and he can decide to go or to stay. And the team will win some games plus the fans are going to be happier.
Take care ;)
ps. Let's go Sasha (Vezenkov)🥳 Doing amazing in Europe, again
I believe in Fox more than ever, to chuck 3’s every game and go for ill-advised steals. Maybe sprinkle in some petty comments about how he wants to win but doesn’t do anything to help win.
Starter: Fox, Monk, Keegan, Issac Jones, Sabonis. Send Derozan to the bench unit. Problem fix!
What other coach would leave fox in with 4 fouls? Kings act like spoiled children that do whatever they want
I hope I’m wrong but I think they did play their hardest tonight and this might just be it. I/we keep saying and hoping they’ll get better but ….well you know
MB LOST THE LOCKER ROOM PERIOD.
At the start of the season I thought even Mike Brown couldnt mess this up, with all the talent we have. He did
@TheStarsShineForYou Him and Monte McNair, and the development coaches have done AWFUL. Look what Keegan went from to what he is now. Look what happened to Huerter, all confidence down the drain. I do NOT blame fox for this bullshit. Mike Brown has been god awful. Half of the possessions they run "sets" that get no one an open shot.
Sabonis has really dropped on using the DHO.
Instead of running a set for DeRozan they'd rather run a stupid iso play into a contested middie instead of running the DHO with Sabonis for an easy look literally every fucking time.
His rotations are mind boggling.
You have Isaac Jones who was playing 18 min per game on great production for 5 straight games and classic mike Brown he goes 4 games straight for a period there without getting a single minute even though he's EXACTLY what we need. A tall forward with a long wingspan that hustles, blocks shots and plays defense.
Actually has the gall to give KEON ELLIS DNPs!!!???? This dudes a clown.
Lakers pistons pacers 3-0 or bust… this team might be better without fox or Keegan trade one of them
Fox is the best player on the team and Keegan is the best defensive player on the team u clown.
That’s disrespected Ron Artest
DeRoz doesn't work on either side of the ball! It has stunted Keegan, I think he would be better off the bench. After Fox got in foul trouble Monk stepped up but didn't get much help other than Domas. The refs might as well have been wearing yellow that aside if they would have taken care of things early the refs wouldn't have thought they were in LA. This was by far the most disappointing game I have watched since Buddy was dapping up the Celtics after the Kings lost by almost 50
Sabonis used to be AD’s daddy
Yeah but now yall got Derozan lol and we know his history with LeBron…
Keegan is looking like he wants to get traded
Why make a move and trade draft picks when this team just proves time and time again they are not worth going all in on. We may need our draft picks if Fox is going to end up leaving.
I'm slowing but surely starting to hope Fox DOESN'T resign with us. This fanbase doesn't deserve him. Every time things don't go right, everybody turns on whomever our "best player" is, like it's SOLELY his fault, as if he's supposed to be LeBron and carry 12 guys by himself. It was the same thing with everybody going back to Chris Webber. It's no wonder why nobody ever wants to sign here.
The problems with thIs team CANNOT be solved by a 6'3" point guard. People need to get out of their feelings and stop looking for a scapegoat. The TEAM has holes in it. The same holes that have been present for the last 2 years.
I can live with a loss if the team and especially their star leader plays with their heart out but no one on the team including Fox is looking like they even want to be out on the floor lately.
Seems like NOT even a play-in team with this kind of performance. What happened to this fast paced run run run.
Man this team is becoming almost unwatchable.
Sabonis is the all nba team member and multi year all star but his contract to much to move 🤨. The media has him all nba very year but the Fox gets all the criticism
We should trade Kevin huerter for Kelly oubre and get a better backup power forward or center someone who can play both
light the beam............
I have been the biggest fox supporter from arguing on ig to buying his merch. After this week I'm over him. The signs have always been there but I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but the proof is in the pudding. He is incapable of being the superstar leader that Sacramento needs. He couldn't do it at Kentucky and he hasn't shown us the capability in 8 years. That's not a small sample size. He is a talented player but it's evident on the court that he feels he needs to supplement the team rather than lead it and that's not what the kings need 🤷🏾♂️
Wow, this take is a long way from last year's takes.
Shouldn’t have traded for DeMar
Be bold and trade for Draymond.
Trade fox, keegan, huerter, lyles, recalibrate the whole team
Trade Fox
This season is over. 😥
Our team is too small. We get dominated in the paint. That’s y we can’t rebound
The Warriors are smaller than the Kings but the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the league. Look it up yourself. Stop drinking the Sac media koolaid. They just can't admit they were wrong to shame Vivek into extending a bad coach prematurely
Mike Brown does not have the respect of the team. There is no motivation and desire to win at all. If they want play hard chances of victory is there. They came back from a 20 point deficit against the nuggets Only to lose by one point. They came back against the lakers and at one time they led before half time. Then they gave up. And played like an NBA G league team.
Trade Fox for all you can get and keep the rest of the core. It needs to happen. Devin Carter is gonna take that spot eventually, anyway!
Yeah, that’s if Carter is any good. But Fox definitely needs to be traded.
Agree. Trade Fox he can bring good returns. Monk and Domas works well together.
LOLOL YEA RIGHT, this team needs to get rid of Huerter/Lyles for a wing and move Monk back to the bench.
Yall got a klutch player on your team🤷🏾♂️
Agree. He’s not a leader.
Monte has only made moves when forced and most all of the additions add no to little value. He built a roster to play only 1 way. A way in which leaves the team absolutely defenseless in the paint. Our most expensive player gets a lot of rebounds and can do dhos and pnrs, great. WHERE IS THE FKING DEFENSE?!?!
Trade fox, derozen, definitely trade Murray, and heurter and Lyles. Keep monk, sabonis, and Ellis. Get draft picks and some good young players and go big on this next year with a team that is going to play hard.
Murray has shown that he isn't that guy and honestly isn't near it. It's time to make a trade.
Kings will lose fans if we trade Fox.
Another season down the drain!
King's announcers are cringy subpar downers and it should be addressed. They are not kings fans at all> you are a superfan and it seems like you could tell the difference ...the bad energy is stagnant/ idiotic verbiage with kayte and either one of the weirdos she sits with
The team is suckin ass right now and you’re concerned with the announcers? 🤦♂️
Kyle Draper is pretty solid…but Mark Jones and Kayte Christiansen are pretty obnoxious and amateurs. Grant Napear was the “voice of the Kings” for just over 3 decades. They should really apologize to him for doing him wrong, and offer him his job back with a pretty penny. That or get Bibby away from Pre/Post game and have him call the games alongside Kyle Draper.
Great show. Kings need to trade fox, give him a winning team, great player, but easiest way to shake up the team and get some length. It's not realistic to require fox to have a top 10 quality game on both ends to need to win.
The problem with the Kings, is that people don't want to admit the flaws and weaknesses of certain players.. Everyone keeps looking at the "numbers", the "analytics".. But numbers aren't people.. People have souls, attitudes, personalities.. And it's there, that the problems lie..
Number one.. Fox is not a star.. Fox scores a lot of points.. Stars LEAD!! They lead by example.. They make the plays you need, when they are needed.. They stop other teams runs.. They start your teams runs.. They motivate others.. He is NONE of those things.. He said so on Draymond's podcast!! He's waiting to see if the team is ever going to bring in someone to LEAD them to winning.. Because in almost a decade, he hasn't done it!! He's soft.. Quiet.. Unself motivating!! Even his coach has said that.. But people like him (because he's a nice beta).. He scores a lot (just not the points you need), and he makes a lot of money (over paid).. So apparently those things make him a star.. He'd get lost on another team.. He would not be the guy anywhere else.. Maybe a number two, but not the leader.. We keep wanting him to be someone he isn't!!
Number two.. Keegan.. I'm a huge Keegan fan, but he's also soft.. Beta.. Skilled, but not aggressive.. Always deferring.. Too nice.. Yet he's untouchable in trade talks.. Because we don't want him to go somewhere else and blossom - a big Sacramento problem.. We hold on to people that don't make us winners, because we don't want them to go somewhere else and win!!
Which brings me to number three.. Mike Brown does not seem to be able to motivate.. Does he have high basketball IQ, yes.. Does he know what needs to be done?? Yes.. Can he get them to do it?? Apparently not.. Now, to his defense, Fox is never going to be a leader, and Keegan isn't going to be aggressive.. It's not who they are.. So, maybe it's number four..
Number four, refusal to change!! The goal of a team is to get better!! We don't do that.. McNair doesn't make changes.. Did it once, getting us Sabonis (who is a true core piece), then he stopped.. Waiting for magic to happen.. Refusing to do what needs to be done.. For example, we desperately need a star wing.. What did we draft?? Another guard.. That seems to be all he can draft, guards.. We need wings right now.. And players with Malik Monk's playing mentality and attitude..
These are all things that "analytics" won't tell you.. But they are the reasons this team loses.. But we'll win a couple of games, hit .500 and the numbers will say the team is, OK..
I`m not much of a fan of any player on the Kings` roster. GM is hot garbage. Fox is a street baller, Sabonis is a terrible defender as is DeRozen. Other players don`t stand out for much.
Need to anoint a TEAM CAPTAIN, Coach Brown can’t do this on his own…. I vote for Sabone and Monk. Trade Foxy/KM and they’d be a solid playoff team if they manage it correctly. This is a game and a biz, don’t fall so in luv with certain player that you can’t see the forest thru the trees…otherwise, even if they made play-in, they r not good enough and you have to trade something to get something. Id trade KM 1st and go from there, his boxing-out was a joke last night…. I was like wtf. Foxy goes 1000mph into the lane and turns it over, hez no AI (that dude was tough and that’s when they used to just hammer guyz in the paint)…
If Sacramento kings nation is complaining about fundamentals on the players maybe the team is not good it’s a bad basketball team simple as that
Mike Brown lost the locker room Keegan Murray is not playing basketball
If they lose vs the Lakers on Saturday man shit will get crazy you dont lose to the lakers
Sacramento is a tiny team, a little guy can only do so much in the land of the giants.
BS. Warriors are smaller than the Kings but GS is the 2nd in rebounding in the entire league and they play bigger and better. Too much talent on this roster is getting wasted by Mike Brown's ineptitude
The Warriors, hmmmmm, yeah all they have is one of the bad A$$ in Draymond Green, one of the greatest player in Steph Curry and just a tiny fraction of sparklers - 5 Championships to go with their kingship. What does Sacramento have? Tiny is an understatement.
@@mellarx1277 36 year old Steph Curry and 34 year old Draymond are superior to prime Sabonis Fox and Monk + 35 year old Derozan? Is that what youre saying? Seems like Golden State is doing way more with way less. We thought we ended their dynasty last year and we were the better team, remember?
What do Curry and Draymond have to do with rebounding, anyway? I just said the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the league, despite being smaller than the Kings. Draymond and Curry only average 6 and 5 rebounds a game. Why are the Warriors SMALLER than the Kings but the Warriors are the 2nd best rebounding team in the NBA while the Kings are "sTrUgGLiN iN tHe LaNd Of GiAnTs"?
Tiny! Can't even secure a rebound off missed AD free throws. At 13 - 16, now what Sacramento? Ready to trade for a smaller guy? Good luck!
@@mellarx1277 So you have nothing to say about the Warriors being a tinier team than the Kings yet the Warriors are 2nd best rebounding team in the NBA?
Fox is doing exactly what Devante Adams did going on podcasts and while down low trying to control management decisions.Better move him before teams lower his value knowing he’s gonna leave anyway.McNair is not the GM I want making that move.Start the search for a New GM NOW !
Fox is not a superstar player, and the Kings seem to be experiencing buyer's remorse. They transition from an aging Harrison Barnes, who has size, to an older DeMar DeRozan, who lacks size. In my opinion, they are both similar types of players, which represents a downgrade. DeMar DeRozan at 35 years old is not what the Kings needed!
There’s a trend for demar anywhere he goes…
No, demar don't coach the team. He don't make his teammates miss open 3s
@ he’s a midrange player with bad defense and no 3 pt shot. You need spacers around domas and fox. He has disrupted the flow of the offense that made the kings successful to begin with. I can put together a montage of domas asking for the ball which in previous years was for a DHO but demar decides to go into the post or set up a middy for himself. His game is simply not translating to winning for this. And this isn’t the first time this has happened.
@@hobowithagun24so what was the problem last season? Derozen did lead his team to the playoffs regardless if he won every match up or not. Fox and company have fallen off before Derozen
Don’t agree with your opinion. Usually pretty close but not this time. They came out with energy, especially Fox. They weren’t shooting good. The main downside of Fox is he’s not a good long shooter. Very good midrange but struggles on 3’s. Does get hot! Defensively he did good and reason he got beat was screens. The effort was a reason he got in foul trouble. Totally disagree with you on this! Monk had energy also but missed shots and passes. Lakers have a good defense inside with blocks. Sabonis had a tough time with Davis. Derozan was off shooting and Keegan was great on defense holding Labron but struggles continue shooting. Lastly Brown’s substitution is terrible. I know pro teams like to do patterns but much of the time players taken out when rolling. Got to adjust with how people playing. Fact is length is a problem and no matter what anyone says if they don’t shoot good they have a hard time losing.
I think you were to emotional and negative because they lost. If both Labron and Davis playing healthy (had plenty rest going into this game), they’re better. Got to deal with that.
We are down 19-6 in the first quarter 😂
Your question to Mike was quite disrespectful, you are hired to cover the team not a crazy fan. No other Locked on Guy behaves that nonchalant
Ngl, look around us, at least comment section wise, it's choked full of restarts who live on game to game basis.
Oh be quiet.
mike brown preaches so much accountability, he might as well have some himself
Facts aren't disrespectful 😂 you have no idea of his job or their rapport 😂
@mordecaidrake I do. i watch a lot of locked on guys and they are all professional and respectful no matter how bad their specific team is.