@@HarryReed-g5n you are CORRECT....that's a fact....this is an example of the BLOWNS........being a DUMB ORGANIZATION...I hope that they leave Cleveland and the NFL puts a totally different franchise in Cleveland...the Brown's name is CURSED!!!😁😄😃
Yep, should have made Baker get surgery and waited til next season. Now baker is a perennial probowler and deshaun is statistically the worst qb in the nfl
Spot on. And that's on the headcoach because the medical staff said he had a torn collateral ,that's an injury not playing hurt but he wanted to call plays and not manage the WHOLE team like a head coach must.
Instead of adding on to a winning chemistry they took players and coaches away. This is only what happens when sombody thinks there smarter than everbody else. Garret watched them get rid of winning combinations of coaches and players Kareem hunt belive it or not was the last straw for him. ( I KNOW!!! )
Their downfall started with how they handled the OBJ situation. If OBJ had still been playing with the Browns Baker's injury might not have happened. The WR, I can't remember his name, probably wouldn't have been in on the play where he stopped his route causing the interception and Baker trying to make the tackle. The same with Chubb's knee injury. If they had Hunt he would probably have been in that play. It was the kind of play they used him.
I mean our FO is horrid, mishandling of injuries, big FA busts, poor drafts, Watson debacle, cap strapped despite the so called cap wizard AB is noted as...utter disaster...i dont believe the players believe in the coaches or FO
5 years? The team that Cleveland got back in 1999 is NOT the Cleveland Browns. This teams downfall was in 1994 when the city let Art Modell take the team.
Yes since Berry became the GM in cleveland our draft classes have been the worst in the nfl. He made the worst trade and gave the worst contract in nfl history. He traded away a perennial probowl qb in baker mayfield too. Let flacco walk, and let hunt walk.
No, it's the owner. Jimmy Haslem you can see Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski is protecting the owner Jimmy Haslem. Haslem is reckless he wanted Johnny Manziel, it was he that made the decision to get Deshaun Watson.
@@HellBot-gi5si no llyod, Carman, and lima, have all reported the deshaun deal was berry's idea, Jimmy wanted to keep baker. Berry should be fired. We obviously would be in a much better situation had we kept baker.
Yea baker looks like a top 5 qb in the nfl and statistically he was the last 2 years, he is still in his 20's too. baker might be playing another 10-12 years. He is more talented than many qbs who have won a super bowl.
The real downfall was hiring stefanski and getting rid of the franchise qb Baker. Browns have done some really questionable things but letting Baker leave was by far the worst thing theyve done.
The mistake was having an offense revolve around Nick Chubb instead of Baker Mayfield. After his first 10 games with the Bucs, Tampa Bay finally decided to make an offense to make Baker the primary guy. He's calling plays at the line. They're converting over 50% of their 3rd downs and he's averaged 6.3 yards per carry on 60 carries. He's had a prime Deshaun Watson season.
I agree letting baker go was a huge mistake, but trading for and signing deshaun is the worst mistake. And the Gm who made both moves, andrew berry should be fired
@JayC-xv9lh Your a complete fuckin DUMBASS. Baker wanted Pat Mahomes money an then got hurt an played thru it cause he wanted to get paid. He played like shit ruined the entire season AN STILL WANTED A BAG. Go look up his interview where he shares this. Or you could keep living inside your idiot brain
He doesn't like us that much. I'm at the point where I don't care if they trade him but I'm afraid they won't get what they should for him. To trade him to a team that could win a SB would be trading him for draft picks in the late 20s or 30s which would be another bad job by our front office.
miss on some of the draft picks. good lord. he's been horrible Bull just enumerated the picks. Miles knows the owner cant put an organization together and clearly has no expectation he's going to learn
Not sure what the tub of goo is talking about Baker not being good enough to win a superbowl? He played like a top 5 qb this last season. There has been much worse qbs that won superbowls than Baker.
If we have to trade Garrett , trade him to New England for their number one this year , number one next year give them our round two this year number 33 and they throw in their backup quarterback
It’s gonna be a messy off season. If Berry wants to use the picks that he’ll get in the trade, he’ll have to trade Myles before the draft; otherwise if he waits til like July/August, Berry won’t get a chance since this team will be lucky to get a win and Haslam will clean house (of course DePodesta will stay since he’s like a son to Haslam) and Berry won’t get to use those picks. Also mad annoying on how much they bash Baker yet he was their best QB they’ve had since coming back in ‘99. Not every team is going to have a Brady or Mahomes caliber QB, but good teams still find a way to make it work. If the Browns stuck with Baker, they could’ve had a stable team that could make it to the playoffs every year and we wouldn’t be here, but our 🤡 of an owner was impatient and couldn’t wait and work things out, now here we are.
Why are people still talking about average Mayfield who will never see a SB. Browns fans are happy just making the playoffs and losing. That’s all mayfield will ever do. Cleveland needs a legit franchise QB
horrible take, baker won us our only playoff game. Dorsey built a great roster. Berry destroyed it by trading for deshaun. Now baker goes to the playoffs and probowl every year and deshaun has not done either in 5 years now lol. Also Baker has won more in the playoffs since leaving here too. Did the people protesting Berry and chanting for him to be fired last night at the stadium hurt your feelings? ( a whole fanbase that hates a gm is insane) Myles dont trust berry, no one does. He cant draft, and made the worst trade in nfl history. You are a fool if you think we are in better shape now with berry than we were with dorsey when he left. A FOOL.
The Browns are the worst franchise in all sports. In Cleveland the Cavs and the Indians/Guardians have built championship level teams more often than the Browns have done since the Jim Brown era. The Browns need to revamp the CULTURE from the bottom all the way to the top.
I call it the Curse of Paul Warfield. The old Browns traded their Hall-Of-Fame wide receiver for the right to draft QB Mike Phipps. And to this day the Browns have never been the same. Quixotic hunts for the "right" QB have haunted this team ever since.
The more days that go on the more I realized we are truly F’d. The culture is so bad no one likes playing there. As Bull said very poignantly, the only two people left in the building these past five years is AB and KS. They went from future contender back to perineal dumpster fire. Sad part is, until AB / KS are gone, nothing changes. Continues miss draft picks. Continued under powered offense. Poor roster moves. Emotional standoffs with star players. The more this continues, the more I realized we are 5+ years from a turnaround. I’m doubtful next regime finds high level of success until the perception of the Browns org has time to wear off and reset… We are in for the long haul.
Let Myles go!!! 😊 Your Browns team is MIRED in mediocrity....this team will never be a SUPERBOWL Contender, that's a FACT....just look at this dysfunctional front office...🤣 Kansas city, Detroit, Houston, Baltimore, Cincinnati would be great landing spots for Myles and Nick CHUBB......PLLLEEEAAASSSE let them GOOOO!!!😊😅😂🎉
Management SUCKS. Berry doesn't know talent. We need a TEAM not abunch of one year contract players.The good players mentioned were drafted by Dorsey Firing Dorsey, another big mistake.I dread the upcoming draft with Berry (Haslam) picking players.
So are the Browns supposed to trade Myles to a superbowl contender to please him? I’d trade his ass to the Carolina Panthers and get their 1st round pick.
If the Browns trade Myles it’s sad and many many loyal Browns fans will be done💯😭. We all heard people burning Deshaun jerseys last night because they are sooooooooo mad at the Browns owners for letting him ruin our team. Browns better make amends with Myles as well as bring star players in here for next season and beyond…..don’t worry about any dumb dome no one will go.
Your a. Complete idiot that wouldn't know ball if it hit u in the head. WHO THE FUCK GONNA PROTECT YOUR SHINY NEW Drafted QB... This show is trash. So Watson can block and catch now. An he picks players 2.. HORSESHIT. WHO where the healthy tackles on the team last March? What did the browns do? Did they draft any? Did they sign any? So you mean to tell me that you signed a qb to a HUGE contract, and it's his biggest season coming an you HAVE NO HEALTHY TACKLES Brand new scheme an new coach... Add to fact that ALL the linemen you have aren't suited for an RPO Shotgun scheme. Every last one of them!!!! Then, bring in a new coordinator. The line didn't gel until the game Watson was injured, going 15/17... week 6 or 7. If you watch every game, this is obvious. Qb play improved as a result. A certain Wr was able to shine as a result. RESULT: lead the league in hits sacks pressures an presnap penalties. Hey, how did Amari Cooper do in Buffalo? I'll wait. Did he ballout once he left the horrible Qb play???. Does anyone care to share his numbers? That's Watsons #1 Wr. The guy who DROPPED everything thrown to him. Or did you miss those games But people don't wanna remember they just wanna win. Well, so do I..... IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL THEY FIX THE LINE. Jed (zone block only)is Trash. Juwaun (power only) can't be trusted yet to have great shape.. Cp Jack (Zone run only) is on his last years. Notice how none of them SHOULD BE ANYWHERE NEAR an RPO SYSTEM. Wyatt can run both an so can Joel buy Joel bout to retire. So I don't give a shit what you think of Watson. If you spent that kinda money on an investment WOULD YOU PROTECT IT. Cause I don't think they did. If the Browns go after shining objects without FIXING THE FUCKIN LINE. They will lose again next season. An we will all have to listen to the same bs. Fix the line bring back chubb (year 2 for acl is the full recovery) an let's get back to what the North about. If Watson gets another shot else he's gone ball if given the tools. It will fall right back to my words here.
not the last 5 years. try since 1995. browns were headed on a great path by what ended up happening with the remains in baltimore. the ravens are what the browns should have become. instead the browns have been a disgrace since returning. absolute disgrace.
True and what's sad is I can't fully critique his draft picks because Kevin's offense is trash. Look up Tillman's college highlights and then check out his Browns highlights and you'll see just how much he's regressed since college. Dude is 6'3 and slow but Kevin and Chad O'Shea got him running routes instead of making contested or back shoulder catches. They mentioned Zinter but Zinter is a rookie who was coming off a season ending injury whose o-line coach (that Kevin picked btw) was so bad that Vrabel (who the FO should've really made an offer to for HC) had to step in for him. Not to mention it wasn't just Zinter or Wills on that o-line that was looking bad out there, it was all of them. And the fact that Bitonio kept saying he liked that Jameis threw with anticipation and then him, Pocic, Cauklin, and Teller saying they were brought in to zone block (aka run block) tells you this isn't about personnel, it's about schematics.
Only NFC team debatably in a worse position is the Saints, who can’t pay for Myles. And those teams didn’t pay 230 million guaranteed for the worst person and player in the NFL
The Browns' downfall started when they didn't force Baker to get his injury taken care of during the season.
@@HarryReed-g5n you are CORRECT....that's a fact....this is an example of the BLOWNS........being a DUMB ORGANIZATION...I hope that they leave Cleveland and the NFL puts a totally different franchise in Cleveland...the Brown's name is CURSED!!!😁😄😃
Yep, should have made Baker get surgery and waited til next season. Now baker is a perennial probowler and deshaun is statistically the worst qb in the nfl
Spot on. And that's on the headcoach because the medical staff said he had a torn collateral ,that's an injury not playing hurt but he wanted to call plays and not manage the WHOLE team like a head coach must.
Instead of adding on to a winning chemistry they took players and coaches away. This is only what happens when sombody thinks there smarter than everbody else. Garret watched them get rid of winning combinations of coaches and players Kareem hunt belive it or not was the last straw for him. ( I KNOW!!! )
Their downfall started with how they handled the OBJ situation. If OBJ had still been playing with the Browns Baker's injury might not have happened. The WR, I can't remember his name, probably wouldn't have been in on the play where he stopped his route causing the interception and Baker trying to make the tackle. The same with Chubb's knee injury. If they had Hunt he would probably have been in that play. It was the kind of play they used him.
I mean our FO is horrid, mishandling of injuries, big FA busts, poor drafts, Watson debacle, cap strapped despite the so called cap wizard AB is noted as...utter disaster...i dont believe the players believe in the coaches or FO
The Browns are the place no player wants to go, and the place where all the players want to leave. This is Jimmy Haslam's doing.
5 years? The team that Cleveland got back in 1999 is NOT the Cleveland Browns. This teams downfall was in 1994 when the city let Art Modell take the team.
Yes since Berry became the GM in cleveland our draft classes have been the worst in the nfl. He made the worst trade and gave the worst contract in nfl history. He traded away a perennial probowl qb in baker mayfield too. Let flacco walk, and let hunt walk.
😊wow bro it's gonna be ok
Andrew Berry is the Hue Jackson of general managers
😂😂😂 a complete failure, I agree!
No, it's the owner. Jimmy Haslem you can see Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski is protecting the owner Jimmy Haslem. Haslem is reckless he wanted Johnny Manziel, it was he that made the decision to get Deshaun Watson.
Who is Stefanski compared to? He's garbage to
@@HellBot-gi5siit is the owner but AB has 21 other players to field besides QB and we have zero proficient weapons (who want to play here).
@@HellBot-gi5si no llyod, Carman, and lima, have all reported the deshaun deal was berry's idea, Jimmy wanted to keep baker. Berry should be fired. We obviously would be in a much better situation had we kept baker.
The common denominator with recent unsucces seems to be the analytics guru!
Baker will eventually win at least 1 superbowl. Hopefully Garrett will go to Tampa Bay and help the defense there.
😂😂😂😂😂
Yea baker looks like a top 5 qb in the nfl and statistically he was the last 2 years, he is still in his 20's too. baker might be playing another 10-12 years. He is more talented than many qbs who have won a super bowl.
The real downfall was hiring stefanski and getting rid of the franchise qb Baker. Browns have done some really questionable things but letting Baker leave was by far the worst thing theyve done.
Coach of the year was the first mistake. Go look in the mirror an say the word DUMB ASS
The mistake was having an offense revolve around Nick Chubb instead of Baker Mayfield. After his first 10 games with the Bucs, Tampa Bay finally decided to make an offense to make Baker the primary guy. He's calling plays at the line. They're converting over 50% of their 3rd downs and he's averaged 6.3 yards per carry on 60 carries. He's had a prime Deshaun Watson season.
Even with Baker the coaching is a joke in Cleveland players like Baker need a real team to thrive
I agree letting baker go was a huge mistake, but trading for and signing deshaun is the worst mistake. And the Gm who made both moves, andrew berry should be fired
@JayC-xv9lh Your a complete fuckin DUMBASS. Baker wanted Pat Mahomes money an then got hurt an played thru it cause he wanted to get paid. He played like shit ruined the entire season AN STILL WANTED A BAG. Go look up his interview where he shares this. Or you could keep living inside your idiot brain
Browns owner is a Jerry jones clone. As long as he owns team is shit
I can't remember the last time that I looked forward to baseball season as much as I do right now
That's not just to wash the Browns tast out of our mouths. Guards Ball was great last year!
If Myles wants out so bad, then he'll be willing to give up that 36 million cap hit to move on.
Did he say that....
That's not how cap hits work
He doesn't like us that much. I'm at the point where I don't care if they trade him but I'm afraid they won't get what they should for him. To trade him to a team that could win a SB would be trading him for draft picks in the late 20s or 30s which would be another bad job by our front office.
Smarten up
miss on some of the draft picks. good lord. he's been horrible Bull just enumerated the picks. Miles knows the owner cant put an organization together and clearly has no expectation he's going to learn
Not sure what the tub of goo is talking about Baker not being good enough to win a superbowl? He played like a top 5 qb this last season. There has been much worse qbs that won superbowls than Baker.
You are correct. Baker had 44 tds last year. Was top 3 in yards, tds, passer rating and %.
‘A good level’ 🤡
Tub of goo is so accurate lmao
@@bucsfan06 Bluto
The management team all needs to be fired now. We're already rick bottom, so start the rebuild
Was there ever a downfall? The Browns have been shit since they got the new team. 🤣
If we have to trade Garrett , trade him to New England for their number one this year , number one next year give them our round two this year number 33 and they throw in their backup quarterback
If we trade him before June 1 we have a cap penalty of 36 million. We aren't getting any 2025 picks.
Trade him out of conference. If we play against him, I'll be sorry to have to root against our own quarterback.
Don't. give NE squat 1 & 2nd this year-1st next year
organizational failure
It’s gonna be a messy off season. If Berry wants to use the picks that he’ll get in the trade, he’ll have to trade Myles before the draft; otherwise if he waits til like July/August, Berry won’t get a chance since this team will be lucky to get a win and Haslam will clean house (of course DePodesta will stay since he’s like a son to Haslam) and Berry won’t get to use those picks.
Also mad annoying on how much they bash Baker yet he was their best QB they’ve had since coming back in ‘99. Not every team is going to have a Brady or Mahomes caliber QB, but good teams still find a way to make it work. If the Browns stuck with Baker, they could’ve had a stable team that could make it to the playoffs every year and we wouldn’t be here, but our 🤡 of an owner was impatient and couldn’t wait and work things out, now here we are.
5:26 😂, ‘Joe Thomas Package’
17:45 😂😂😂. Top UCSS moment lol
Why are people still talking about average Mayfield who will never see a SB. Browns fans are happy just making the playoffs and losing. That’s all mayfield will ever do. Cleveland needs a legit franchise QB
Andrew Berry is the Deshaun Watson of General Managers.
Let him go!! He deserves better.
Trade him to the Raiders for 2 first downs and Max Crosby and draft Carter at first round pick and go from there.
First downs were hard to come by with the Brown's offense. Need all the help they can get.
For the draft.. you traded them all for Watson... to Houston. We got a ton of great players from them.
Downfall started not drafting josh Allen and then hiring Freddie kitchens
horrible take, baker won us our only playoff game. Dorsey built a great roster. Berry destroyed it by trading for deshaun. Now baker goes to the playoffs and probowl every year and deshaun has not done either in 5 years now lol. Also Baker has won more in the playoffs since leaving here too. Did the people protesting Berry and chanting for him to be fired last night at the stadium hurt your feelings? ( a whole fanbase that hates a gm is insane) Myles dont trust berry, no one does. He cant draft, and made the worst trade in nfl history. You are a fool if you think we are in better shape now with berry than we were with dorsey when he left. A FOOL.
Great take Tyvis
I can't imagine they will sell many tickets this season.
I'd love to see Miles play for the Bills.
The Browns quit on Flacco in last years playoff game. They had checked out. 😢
Should not have gotten rid of John Dorsey. He was a great football guy.
The Browns are the worst franchise in all sports. In Cleveland the Cavs and the Indians/Guardians have built championship level teams more often than the Browns have done since the Jim Brown era. The Browns need to revamp the CULTURE from the bottom all the way to the top.
I call it the Curse of Paul Warfield.
The old Browns traded their Hall-Of-Fame wide receiver for the right to draft QB Mike Phipps. And to this day the Browns have never been the same.
Quixotic hunts for the "right" QB have haunted this team ever since.
I think it all started when John Dorsey was fired.
💯
And the GM and HC keep their jobs! Insane.
GBush on fire this segment OMG PREACH BRO 🔥
The more days that go on the more I realized we are truly F’d. The culture is so bad no one likes playing there. As Bull said very poignantly, the only two people left in the building these past five years is AB and KS. They went from future contender back to perineal dumpster fire.
Sad part is, until AB / KS are gone, nothing changes. Continues miss draft picks. Continued under powered offense. Poor roster moves. Emotional standoffs with star players.
The more this continues, the more I realized we are 5+ years from a turnaround. I’m doubtful next regime finds high level of success until the perception of the Browns org has time to wear off and reset…
We are in for the long haul.
Great sermon G. Bush
Let Myles go!!! 😊
Your Browns team is MIRED in mediocrity....this team will never be a SUPERBOWL Contender, that's a FACT....just look at this dysfunctional front office...🤣
Kansas city, Detroit, Houston, Baltimore, Cincinnati would be great landing spots for Myles and Nick CHUBB......PLLLEEEAAASSSE let them GOOOO!!!😊😅😂🎉
That young defensive line is not bad
Also, how long have the Browns had this set of scouts that we have at this time. They can't spot talent.
Management SUCKS. Berry doesn't know talent. We need a TEAM not abunch of one year contract players.The good players mentioned were drafted by Dorsey Firing Dorsey, another big mistake.I dread the upcoming draft with Berry (Haslam) picking players.
So are the Browns supposed to trade Myles to a superbowl contender to please him? I’d trade his ass to the Carolina Panthers and get their 1st round pick.
Bad Karma has found a home with the Cleveland Browns; with Haslam, DePodesta, and Berry the 3 Stooges who invited him in.
Not an Andrew Berry problem. Browns have a good roster every year. Think about it.
The Browns downfall began when they took Baker over Josh Allen. FLATTOUTT!!!!!
Even if they trade Garrett, there's no guarantee he goes to a winning team. He'll be traded to the team that gives the Browns the best return.
If the Browns trade Myles it’s sad and many many loyal Browns fans will be done💯😭. We all heard people burning Deshaun jerseys last night because they are sooooooooo mad at the Browns owners for letting him ruin our team. Browns better make amends with Myles as well as bring star players in here for next season and beyond…..don’t worry about any dumb dome no one will go.
Your a. Complete idiot that wouldn't know ball if it hit u in the head.
WHO THE FUCK GONNA PROTECT YOUR SHINY NEW Drafted QB... This show is trash.
So Watson can block and catch now. An he picks players 2.. HORSESHIT.
WHO where the healthy tackles on the team last March? What did the browns do? Did they draft any? Did they sign any?
So you mean to tell me that you signed a qb to a HUGE contract, and it's his biggest season coming an you HAVE NO HEALTHY TACKLES Brand new scheme an new coach... Add to fact that ALL the linemen you have aren't suited for an RPO Shotgun scheme. Every last one of them!!!! Then, bring in a new coordinator. The line didn't gel until the game Watson was injured, going 15/17... week 6 or 7. If you watch every game, this is obvious. Qb play improved as a result. A certain Wr was able to shine as a result.
RESULT: lead the league in hits sacks pressures an presnap penalties.
Hey, how did Amari Cooper do in Buffalo? I'll wait. Did he ballout once he left the horrible Qb play???. Does anyone care to share his numbers? That's Watsons #1 Wr. The guy who DROPPED everything thrown to him. Or did you miss those games
But people don't wanna remember they just wanna win. Well, so do I.....
IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL THEY FIX THE LINE. Jed (zone block only)is Trash. Juwaun (power only) can't be trusted yet to have great shape.. Cp Jack (Zone run only) is on his last years. Notice how none of them SHOULD BE ANYWHERE NEAR an RPO SYSTEM. Wyatt can run both an so can Joel buy Joel bout to retire.
So I don't give a shit what you think of Watson. If you spent that kinda money on an investment WOULD YOU PROTECT IT. Cause I don't think they did.
If the Browns go after shining objects without FIXING THE FUCKIN LINE. They will lose again next season. An we will all have to listen to the same bs. Fix the line bring back chubb (year 2 for acl is the full recovery) an let's get back to what the North about.
If Watson gets another shot else he's gone ball if given the tools. It will fall right back to my words here.
not the last 5 years. try since 1995. browns were headed on a great path by what ended up happening with the remains in baltimore. the ravens are what the browns should have become. instead the browns have been a disgrace since returning. absolute disgrace.
Same old 4 wins Browns. Keep your expectations low until they get win #5.
Odell left because he cry bb
I love bull. Always real.
Yall spent aaall this time explaining why Stefanski’s incompetence should get AB fired 😂
True and what's sad is I can't fully critique his draft picks because Kevin's offense is trash. Look up Tillman's college highlights and then check out his Browns highlights and you'll see just how much he's regressed since college. Dude is 6'3 and slow but Kevin and Chad O'Shea got him running routes instead of making contested or back shoulder catches.
They mentioned Zinter but Zinter is a rookie who was coming off a season ending injury whose o-line coach (that Kevin picked btw) was so bad that Vrabel (who the FO should've really made an offer to for HC) had to step in for him. Not to mention it wasn't just Zinter or Wills on that o-line that was looking bad out there, it was all of them. And the fact that Bitonio kept saying he liked that Jameis threw with anticipation and then him, Pocic, Cauklin, and Teller saying they were brought in to zone block (aka run block) tells you this isn't about personnel, it's about schematics.
The Bullll shit. That comes out of his mouth
Myles overplayed his hand. Browns don't have to trade him, and if they do he'll go to an NFC dumpster fire just as bad as this one.
Just like they did dirty to Baker. Pittsburgh offered to trade for Baker for more than what Carolina offered.
Only NFC team debatably in a worse position is the Saints, who can’t pay for Myles.
And those teams didn’t pay 230 million guaranteed for the worst person and player in the NFL