I think one of the main problem ray-tracing has is that modern games that use traditional lighting, often still look amazing. Ray tracing adds a subtlety of realism, but if that comes at a huge performance cost then I really don't care. If it was night and day more impressive than traditional lighting then I might be swayed, but in general it is off on my PC. I would prefer to max out my graphics settings before introducing ray-tracing!
The thing I hate about the RT discussion is how the public perceive AMD as terrible at RT. When in reality they're not bad at all. When you buy a GPU in the mid-range (which most people do) and once market prices have settled in, AMD has similar RT performance to Nvidia per dollar. As an example, I bought a RX6800XT for the same price as a RTX3060Ti... RT performance is similar on both cards (many times it's even better on the AMD card), but ultimately AMD pulls way ahead in rasterized workloads (several GPU classes), not to mention that the RTX3060Ti is left in the dust once you start utilizing more than 8GB of VRAM (The RX6800XT has 16GB of VRAM) The reason why public perception is this way is because reviewers tend to review cards at MSRP and not "market price" and they generally compare the same "class of card" against each other, either by naming scheme or MSRP. But when looking at market pricing and real life value for the majority of consumers, AMD just offers way better value than Nvidia. All value oriented tech geeks know this... It's only when you want "the best of the best" 4090-levels of performance, that's when nvidia becomes your only option. But that's also only 0.94% of Steam Users.
Yeah that's true, AMD is definitely better value, and I think AMD said fairly recently they're going to focus on the mid-range market to out perform there, which they do anyway as you said really!
yep can confirm i got the rx 6800 xt and it rocks! ive been playing metro exodus and the first hell balde and i was getting 80-100 fps with rt at medium and switching from medium to high changes very little cant even notice the difference well yeah in the FPS drop XD
Man, I have an RX 6800. That card is a power horse even in modern 2024 games. Absolutely incredible. I've upgraded to a 4070 Ti Super recently, but only because I short circuited my AMD card lol. Price to performance tho? the Rx 6800 was a WAY better deal.
I find it interesting that the disc license solution you guys talked about, was the one that got hate from everyone when Microsoft tried to do it in 2013. I guess they were right after all. Just way too early as they usually are
Cool podcast guys, though I will point out that in the game, Shadow is played by Kirk Thornton, though there is a movie variant who is played by Keanu and he is also playing Shadow in the third movie. You would enjoy Spiderman 2 if you liked the first and Miles Morales as I found the 2nd game was the best of both worlds :) And yeah AJ Idris Elba is in Phantom Liberty too lol
I remember turning ray tracing on in Spider-Man 2 whilst crawling up a heavily glassed skyscraper, thinkng to myself "oh wow, those reflections are very nice" and then instantly turning it off again. One look-see is all you need, the rest is a necessary 60fps experience!! Performance all the way guys! Ray tracing is as useful as 8K and chocolate teapots! A very small percentage actually want it 😅
That’s exactly it. You turn it on and go “wow that’s so cool” then notice the performance hit and instantly turn it off again and focus on the gameplay. It’s really cool… but feels like an expensive gimmick with current hardware
UE5 sucks and every dev using it needs to stop its ruining all these games that could look and run so good but because they use UE5 they end up looking horrible and running even worse.
Nvidia's much easier to follow in my opinion. You're slightly out there, there is no "Super Ti" it goes, 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti Super. "Super" is a relatively new thing, the Ti variants have been around for ages but now added to the super range to make them super-duper lol so it's base card / base card Super / base card Ti Super. 3 models. No idea what is happening on the AMD side! I also don't fully understand their numbering system. Nvidia is pretty easy, higher the number the better and always follows generations really.
@@128kbpodcast yes i was slightly exagerating, but im sure 50 series will have a super ti super 🤣 but also nvidias slimy tactics of cutting ram and trying to pass those off as same cards for almost same price when theyre clearly handicapped. Amd has the exact same kind of number scheme, what is there to not understand? I mean that as a qenuine question too. They have the base card, an xt, and on 1 model, the very top model is an xtx, the extra x lets you know its the most extreme.
I think one of the main problem ray-tracing has is that modern games that use traditional lighting, often still look amazing. Ray tracing adds a subtlety of realism, but if that comes at a huge performance cost then I really don't care. If it was night and day more impressive than traditional lighting then I might be swayed, but in general it is off on my PC. I would prefer to max out my graphics settings before introducing ray-tracing!
100% our thoughts too Dan!
The thing I hate about the RT discussion is how the public perceive AMD as terrible at RT. When in reality they're not bad at all. When you buy a GPU in the mid-range (which most people do) and once market prices have settled in, AMD has similar RT performance to Nvidia per dollar. As an example, I bought a RX6800XT for the same price as a RTX3060Ti... RT performance is similar on both cards (many times it's even better on the AMD card), but ultimately AMD pulls way ahead in rasterized workloads (several GPU classes), not to mention that the RTX3060Ti is left in the dust once you start utilizing more than 8GB of VRAM (The RX6800XT has 16GB of VRAM)
The reason why public perception is this way is because reviewers tend to review cards at MSRP and not "market price" and they generally compare the same "class of card" against each other, either by naming scheme or MSRP. But when looking at market pricing and real life value for the majority of consumers, AMD just offers way better value than Nvidia. All value oriented tech geeks know this... It's only when you want "the best of the best" 4090-levels of performance, that's when nvidia becomes your only option. But that's also only 0.94% of Steam Users.
Yeah that's true, AMD is definitely better value, and I think AMD said fairly recently they're going to focus on the mid-range market to out perform there, which they do anyway as you said really!
yep can confirm i got the rx 6800 xt and it rocks! ive been playing metro exodus and the first hell balde and i was getting 80-100 fps with rt at medium and switching from medium to high changes very little cant even notice the difference well yeah in the FPS drop XD
Man, I have an RX 6800. That card is a power horse even in modern 2024 games. Absolutely incredible. I've upgraded to a 4070 Ti Super recently, but only because I short circuited my AMD card lol. Price to performance tho? the Rx 6800 was a WAY better deal.
I find it interesting that the disc license solution you guys talked about, was the one that got hate from everyone when Microsoft tried to do it in 2013. I guess they were right after all. Just way too early as they usually are
Cool podcast guys, though I will point out that in the game, Shadow is played by Kirk Thornton, though there is a movie variant who is played by Keanu and he is also playing Shadow in the third movie. You would enjoy Spiderman 2 if you liked the first and Miles Morales as I found the 2nd game was the best of both worlds :) And yeah AJ Idris Elba is in Phantom Liberty too lol
you knw we really need you on set, like our fact checking producer!
I love how they are asking a question I was asking when the first RTX cards were being brought to market in 2018.
Hardly ever used ray-tracing mode always want the extra frames and better performance
I remember turning ray tracing on in Spider-Man 2 whilst crawling up a heavily glassed skyscraper, thinkng to myself "oh wow, those reflections are very nice" and then instantly turning it off again. One look-see is all you need, the rest is a necessary 60fps experience!! Performance all the way guys! Ray tracing is as useful as 8K and chocolate teapots! A very small percentage actually want it 😅
That’s exactly it. You turn it on and go “wow that’s so cool” then notice the performance hit and instantly turn it off again and focus on the gameplay. It’s really cool… but feels like an expensive gimmick with current hardware
You guys were not wrong about the Ally X. Just got one and it is perfection. 1080p is the sweet spot for handheld resolution.
oh wow!!! so glad you're loving it too :)
I absolutely love raytracing. I find the realism to be quite immersive.
AMD needs to get gud, quickly
When Xbox proposed a licensing program for used games like you guys just described, people absolutely lost their minds.
that's a really good point.
Ray Tracing has never sucked, its the underlying power to support ray tracing properly thats sucked, important distinction :D
No raytracing doesn’t suck, having a £700 Pro console with no CPU upgrade when a lot of titles are CPU limited sucks.
They maybe could do 30 day licence activation. So you only need to put it in max 12 times a year?
@@_shadouken like marital life? Put it in max 12 times a year 🤣
More Jim Carrey impressions, for immediate channel growth
oh in that case expect one EVERY episode!!!
14:43 "Kids are playing Fortnite"... was this aimed at produce pete? ;)
obviously he did ;)
Ray tracing is the only way to keep selling new GPUs
UE5 sucks and every dev using it needs to stop its ruining all these games that could look and run so good but because they use UE5 they end up looking horrible and running even worse.
30 fps is choo toppy
hahaha Mark Cerny identified...
Nvidia super ti 12gb or ti super 10gb both are 4070s, which is better?! Nvidia names and shady workings are far worse than amd, in my opinion.
Nvidia's much easier to follow in my opinion. You're slightly out there, there is no "Super Ti" it goes, 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti Super. "Super" is a relatively new thing, the Ti variants have been around for ages but now added to the super range to make them super-duper lol so it's base card / base card Super / base card Ti Super. 3 models. No idea what is happening on the AMD side! I also don't fully understand their numbering system. Nvidia is pretty easy, higher the number the better and always follows generations really.
@@128kbpodcast yes i was slightly exagerating, but im sure 50 series will have a super ti super 🤣 but also nvidias slimy tactics of cutting ram and trying to pass those off as same cards for almost same price when theyre clearly handicapped. Amd has the exact same kind of number scheme, what is there to not understand? I mean that as a qenuine question too. They have the base card, an xt, and on 1 model, the very top model is an xtx, the extra x lets you know its the most extreme.
ray tracing sucks? yes yes it does
hahaha