Ur Genuinely one of my favourite streamers in terms of how well you can play the video game, commentate your own match, and read chat all at the same time (I’m very dyslexic so I just really appreciate the skill you’ve got for streaming and being entertaining 😮)
You called Lili player's carried but you spamed a bunch of garbage in dewglider's face. That's hilarious to me. I'll trust the main man's opinion over yours. He is also biased but at least he's educated about the game. Also you call them carried but all the Lili's you just faced were playing her since Tekken 7 and before, where she wasn't even spammy or cheap, and she forced you to be good at the game. Whereas your character has been a hot mess since he was introduced to the game.
@@ArtsyApril10 Lili has been able to sidestep the wrong way and has evasion that makes blocking an after thought but wasn’t cheap? I’m sorry but this is Tekken, everyone is cheap and that goes for T7 as well. Also I love “you spammed a bunch of crap and garbage” I can clearly articulate my points with examples as to why I dislike something but you don’t even know what’s happening on the screen, ain’t that interesting?
I am a Lili player myself and tried to get into the character and into the game itself, but it's very frustrating, because I don't know where to start. It's only competitive and nothing casual, what I really dislike.
I'd been wondering, "Where's Kalak at?", for a while. Time to defend or agree about what's wrong with my secondary character. "This is what the game's been missing, bro. K-Wiss vs. Kalak." Yes, that's what we've been saying! And by "we", I mean me. When they add the extra customization slots in season 2, I will very much be making use of that. I must be doing something wrong as Lili, because I can't remember the last time I didn't get popped when attempting Feisty Rabbit. 24:35 - 24:39 I can't be the only the only one who thinks K-Wiss sounded like he was about to go into a musical number with that "🎶praaactice🎶". Good to know that, aside from the love of customizations, I don't fit a lot of the "Lili player tropes".
Hey K-wiss do you know Afroking? He's genuinely one of the best Lili players ever, with crazy good defense. Like I swear he can roast just about anyone. He's not a tournament player tho.
Im not saying Lili is unskilled but shes super strong with keepout and evasion No one should have sidesteps that big especially if its a stance move Hwoarang fox step either side moves less than half of Lilis distance Bro i swear she is only matched in evasion by steve and by keepout, Lee?
"These characters don't have to do defense" I know it's been a while since you were down here near street level, but lemme tell you that most Hwoarang players at my rank have heard of nothing but offence and it can be absolutely miserable playing against it, when you don't know which of his moves are +3 or +9001. And yeah people may say "skill issue" but for noobs, everything is a skill issue and some characters translate that into "I win" but other characters translate that into "I win but also you don't get to play"
I'd honestly be happy with it being nerfed cause I don't like how sometimes idk how much damage I'm gonna take if it gets blocked 😂😂 Some characters have good punishes for it and it can be hard to keep track. You can get put into a false sense of security cause of lot of characters don't have the best punishes or the players don't know the situation that well. I also don't know why it has pushback on block, just makes it awkward to punish for no reason.
6:47 I'm so confused I thought that Hwoarang move was i14. Was it buffed or has it always been i13? And the way the replay mode seems to be bugged and constantly showing start up frames as 15 is not helping (unless it never updates when you do replay takeovers).
It's always been i13 but your comment made me realise the the bugged overlay also shows that I way playing Hwoarang and Lili at the same time if you look at the names lol
Lily is a bad matchup for Hwoarang, definitely. Any character that needs to close the distance and be close to be effective is a bad matchup for Lily IMHO. I think you play Lidia too, and it’s the same for her. Lily’s range and evasiveness make her a bad matchup.
I think it also hurts that Hwo is one of the more Linear Characters if you take the time to Practice in the Lab and get your Reps in Sidestepping his Strings/Pokes/Flamingo Commitments and combine that with Lili's Freeform Lateral Movement and Hwoarang has to work hard to get the victory in this Matchup. 🤔
@@kylefields3951 Yeah. Definitely. That's what I meant by here evasiveness. The number of times I've seen that character spin, flip and twirl her way out of what seemed to be a sure fire attack is ridiculous. Her sidestep is amazing, but she has that weird anime movement that results in ultra cheap evasiveness.
you prove to me every time why your my fav hwo main i love how your able to pick up on your opponents tendencies like how the lili was mashing after db4 so you decided to commit to the flappies even tho she didnt mash when you went for it lol its the little things like that i appreciate in your gameplay def somethin i need to be more aware of too if i want to get my hwo to the next level keep being great
the generic bt jab is 8 frames, isn't it? I think it's just ling who doesn't have i8 bt jab because she has her stance jabs instead. it's the pc that makes lili's bt more mashy
Yeah pc armour at i6 and her lows especially d2 that have high crush and are safer than say generic d4 and have rewards on hit. Honestly they should just replace her backturn transitions with a whole new stance, she gets away with mistakes that would murder other characters too often.
People are crying about lili when there are characters who cheese their way through every match with the most braindead moves, why don’t people complain about them instead?
buff lili, jk or am i... also its so funny that no matter which character you do this video on, theres always ppl who say you cant complain/critique a character because youre playing hwo
It's funny you say Lili is a bad matchup for Hwo because Lili players always say he's a bad matchup for her. maybe you guys are destined to be nemeses. Sometimes I'll flip between you and Dewglider when you're fighting and no one's having a good time 😂
As Lili player, yeah her back turn heat smash is ridiculous. I have gotten away with so much stuff with it and if people try to preemptively duck then they get launched by 1+2. Only thing about it is that she looses turn on block when every other low heat smash get punish or launch
Entertaining video. It is -13 because since it is from a stance and it makes it a bit predictable when she is gonna do it, there is a requirement that you can prevent her from reaching!
Most Lili players know more about customization than their own character
You’re right, I can’t even pilot Lilli anymore.
Damn right
I'd say they know the same about both
@@K-Wiss lol
There's nothing wrong with dressing up lili and playing one-handed. There is no excuse for playing Clive with both hands and a ball gag.
Ur Genuinely one of my favourite streamers in terms of how well you can play the video game, commentate your own match, and read chat all at the same time
(I’m very dyslexic so I just really appreciate the skill you’ve got for streaming and being entertaining 😮)
You called Lili player's carried but you spamed a bunch of garbage in dewglider's face. That's hilarious to me. I'll trust the main man's opinion over yours. He is also biased but at least he's educated about the game.
Also you call them carried but all the Lili's you just faced were playing her since Tekken 7 and before, where she wasn't even spammy or cheap, and she forced you to be good at the game. Whereas your character has been a hot mess since he was introduced to the game.
bro is crashing out over obvious sarcasm lol
@@ArtsyApril10 Lili has been able to sidestep the wrong way and has evasion that makes blocking an after thought but wasn’t cheap? I’m sorry but this is Tekken, everyone is cheap and that goes for T7 as well. Also I love “you spammed a bunch of crap and garbage” I can clearly articulate my points with examples as to why I dislike something but you don’t even know what’s happening on the screen, ain’t that interesting?
Uhmmm chile😭
@@maydaya3k did you say obvious sarcasm? R u dumb lol
Cannot wait for "Hwoarang is NOT OKAY in TEKKEN" 8 video. That mf is certainly not okay😂
Enough with the lili complaints. If my character gets nerfed again imma crash out
Nooo
Pack up lili
😢
Time to nerf devil jin
yea giga nerfed hworang
Props for shutting down that person randomly disrespecting dewglider
@@VillainessAO “Mashing” just means disrespecting + frames, it is not that deep
@@K-Wiss 🙂🙂
@@VillainessAO I can tell you don't get his sarcasm. It's not that deep, he's not even serious when he says that lmao
Kwiss I'm not a hwoarang played anymore but i still watch your stuff, one of the greatest tekken content creator
no tf he isnt
Come back to us bro
@@mxsayian It's just their opinion, damn
I am a Lili player myself and tried to get into the character and into the game itself, but it's very frustrating, because I don't know where to start. It's only competitive and nothing casual, what I really dislike.
I'd been wondering, "Where's Kalak at?", for a while. Time to defend or agree about what's wrong with my secondary character.
"This is what the game's been missing, bro. K-Wiss vs. Kalak." Yes, that's what we've been saying! And by "we", I mean me.
When they add the extra customization slots in season 2, I will very much be making use of that.
I must be doing something wrong as Lili, because I can't remember the last time I didn't get popped when attempting Feisty Rabbit.
24:35 - 24:39 I can't be the only the only one who thinks K-Wiss sounded like he was about to go into a musical number with that "🎶praaactice🎶".
Good to know that, aside from the love of customizations, I don't fit a lot of the "Lili player tropes".
My musical theatre career is now pending after reading your comment and listening back. This must be my true calling
In tournaments Kalak doesn't mash this much😭😭
Kalak vs K-Wiss is so sweaty
300mph
If they fought on stage, Steve would run out of arms to pull
Hey K-wiss do you know Afroking? He's genuinely one of the best Lili players ever, with crazy good defense. Like I swear he can roast just about anyone. He's not a tournament player tho.
Im not saying Lili is unskilled but shes super strong with keepout and evasion
No one should have sidesteps that big especially if its a stance move
Hwoarang fox step either side moves less than half of Lilis distance
Bro i swear she is only matched in evasion by steve and by keepout, Lee?
"These characters don't have to do defense" I know it's been a while since you were down here near street level, but lemme tell you that most Hwoarang players at my rank have heard of nothing but offence and it can be absolutely miserable playing against it, when you don't know which of his moves are +3 or +9001. And yeah people may say "skill issue" but for noobs, everything is a skill issue and some characters translate that into "I win" but other characters translate that into "I win but also you don't get to play"
I'd honestly be happy with it being nerfed cause I don't like how sometimes idk how much damage I'm gonna take if it gets blocked 😂😂
Some characters have good punishes for it and it can be hard to keep track. You can get put into a false sense of security cause of lot of characters don't have the best punishes or the players don't know the situation that well.
I also don't know why it has pushback on block, just makes it awkward to punish for no reason.
2:50😂😂
6:47 I'm so confused I thought that Hwoarang move was i14. Was it buffed or has it always been i13?
And the way the replay mode seems to be bugged and constantly showing start up frames as 15 is not helping (unless it never updates when you do replay takeovers).
It's always been i13 but your comment made me realise the the bugged overlay also shows that I way playing Hwoarang and Lili at the same time if you look at the names lol
@@K-Wiss lmao but ty
Lily is a bad matchup for Hwoarang, definitely. Any character that needs to close the distance and be close to be effective is a bad matchup for Lily IMHO. I think you play Lidia too, and it’s the same for her. Lily’s range and evasiveness make her a bad matchup.
I think it also hurts that Hwo is one of the more Linear Characters if you take the time to Practice in the Lab and get your Reps in Sidestepping his Strings/Pokes/Flamingo Commitments and combine that with Lili's Freeform Lateral Movement and Hwoarang has to work hard to get the victory in this Matchup. 🤔
@@kylefields3951 Yeah. Definitely. That's what I meant by here evasiveness. The number of times I've seen that character spin, flip and twirl her way out of what seemed to be a sure fire attack is ridiculous. Her sidestep is amazing, but she has that weird anime movement that results in ultra cheap evasiveness.
I don’t know what the Lili community did to you but geez… a whole vid hating on character while you play HWOARANG😂😂
Your archetype will always show up no matter what!😂
When someone starts out with a gaslighting comment you know their trash on the inside.
@@UltimateBallaPOM and what is my “archetype” cause you know me right?
all caps when you say the mans name or whatever
@@theflaffywaffehuh?
you prove to me every time why your my fav hwo main i love how your able to pick up on your opponents tendencies like how the lili was mashing after db4 so you decided to commit to the flappies even tho she didnt mash when you went for it lol its the little things like that i appreciate in your gameplay def somethin i need to be more aware of too if i want to get my hwo to the next level keep being great
the generic bt jab is 8 frames, isn't it? I think it's just ling who doesn't have i8 bt jab because she has her stance jabs instead. it's the pc that makes lili's bt more mashy
Yeah pc armour at i6 and her lows especially d2 that have high crush and are safer than say generic d4 and have rewards on hit. Honestly they should just replace her backturn transitions with a whole new stance, she gets away with mistakes that would murder other characters too often.
You hate Lili cause she is a beautiful princess and you'll never be one!!!! 😂
@@hotcoldman9793 I’ve been advised not to confirm the validity of this statement
lol fgc people are never happy lmao
People are crying about lili when there are characters who cheese their way through every match with the most braindead moves, why don’t people complain about them instead?
buff lili, jk or am i... also its so funny that no matter which character you do this video on, theres always ppl who say you cant complain/critique a character because youre playing hwo
Can we get an Eddy Gordo is NOT OKAY in Tekken 8?
Someone said Lily players dress her up then play one handed 🤔😆.... that being said.. Nerf devil Jin
It's funny you say Lili is a bad matchup for Hwo because Lili players always say he's a bad matchup for her. maybe you guys are destined to be nemeses. Sometimes I'll flip between you and Dewglider when you're fighting and no one's having a good time 😂
As Lili player, yeah her back turn heat smash is ridiculous. I have gotten away with so much stuff with it and if people try to preemptively duck then they get launched by 1+2.
Only thing about it is that she looses turn on block when every other low heat smash get punish or launch
All the pretty boys love lili✨💙
Entertaining video.
It is -13 because since it is from a stance and it makes it a bit predictable when she is gonna do it, there is a requirement that you can prevent her from reaching!
She has an amazing BT mix and the low is unseeable and low parryable
I shit you not every Lily player I go up against have Sub 40 defense shit is embarrassing
Nah bro you are totally just shitting. Or maybe you're just not that high in rank so all your opponents have shit defense?
lili is so cute ❤😊 and a good character. I hate hwoarang. d3 4 d3 4 d3 4. power crush safe and combo damage. need nerf.🤮
Your lili is a 16 year old brat with no manners. I'd say she's the opposite