We all feel the pain and suffering, Steve Cohen is one of the dumbest owners in sports, and he must sell the Mets to Mike Repole so he'll turn it around and break the long curse once and for all
When I was growing up in NYC in the late 1960’s to late 70’s, the Mets and Yankees had roughly the same number of fans. But for the last 35 years the Mets have been destroyed by idiotic management.
And you know something? All these stadiums are a VAST improvement over the gawd awful “cookie cutter” stadiums of the past, though indeed the modern stadiums are now in need of major renovations!
The Mets were established in 1962 and inherited most of the former New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fans, who never would have become Yankees fans. Mets' popularity peaked in 1969 with a World Series championship and continued into the early 1970's with another World Series appearance in 1973. During this time the Yankees dynasty that had begun with the arrival of Babe Ruth in 1920 ended in 1965, and old Yankee Stadium in the dangerous South Bronx was disintegrating, while Shea Stadium, which had opened in 1964, was more modern and more accessible, at least for a while. Steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973, and Yankee Stadium was rebuilt in 1976 and the Yankees in the late 1970's won two straight World Series with Reggie, Munson, etc. while the Mets' management became "idiotic" at that same time, trading Tom Seaver and other bad decisions that led to cellar-dwelling Mets teams and Shea Stadium being known as "Grant's Tomb" (for Mets chairman M. Donald Grant). Mets recovered with new ownership in 1980 and from the mid 1980's to early 1990's the Mets again were more popular than the Yankees, with the Mets winning their second World Series in 1986 while the Yankees were in a down cycle during the Mattingly era from 1982 until 1994. However, since 1996 with their first World Series championship of the Jeter, Rivera, et. al. era, the Yankees have been undoubtedly more successful and more popular than the Mets.
@@SirManfly The modern "retro" stadium boom began with the opening of Camden Yards in Baltimore in April 1992. That was over 32 years ago, and technology has advanced markedly since them. For example, how many people purchased game tickets in 1992 on a cell phone or used their phone to scan their ticket at the gate? Most of the 60's and early 70's "cookie cutter" stadiums began being demolished in the late 1990's and early 2000's, after a little over 30 years of use. Seattle's Kingdome (1976-2000) lasted less than 24 years. Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium, which opened in 1965, met its demolition shortly after the 1996 Olympics. Since then, both the Braves and Falcons have replaced the stadiums that they moved into after vacating Fulton County Stadium with even newer facilities.
Mets was the first team to have 3 million in attendance. Contrary to popular belief, most of NY were not Yankee fans. NY Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers shared NY. Many of them became Mets fans when they left. Mets broke attendance records. Yankees were always hated by 2 3rds of NY.
I suspect a lot of these attendance problems are because inflation is high because of the pandemic, and tickets are too expensive. The players have all gotten greedy, so fans have to pay more to stroke their egos. If they had salary caps in baseball and cheaper tickets, I imagine a lot of these issues could be circumvented.
When I was a teenager(1980s), you could sit in the left field bleachers at Exhibition Stadium (Jays) for $4. Had bucket seatbacks and an partial overhang roof to protect those sitting there from the rain or sun.
@michaelmarkowski204 As a former resident of the Pacific Northwest, it appears to me that most people who are far away from that region don't realize how dysfunctional Portland has become. That area should not be considered over other large metropolitan areas that are growing at faster rates, have stronger economies and fewer problems.
As for the Twins the main issue was the Bally Sports broadcasting problem, many fans refuse to watch a game in person until the games are broadcast on normal television, and catagorically refuse to buy a Bally sports package just to watch what should have been on channel 29 and had been FOR SIXTY FUCKING YEARS before then.
Maybe, and I know I’ve probably said this before on this channel but the Marlins will always have their two World Series wins over the Rays. Marlins still had more success in their first 10 years than most other teams that are decades older.
5:15 looks like the White Sox will have no choice to go to Nashville, Tennessee while the Bears and Enforcers need to make their home games at The Proposed Chicago Dome for Both Football Leagues(UFL & NFL), and Chicago Fire FC Will make their games at SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview, Illinois with the Greyhounds and RedStars
Charlotte should be a better choice. Charlotte metro currently has a population greater than seven metro areas with MLB teams. The combined population of NC and SC is over 16 million. Also, Charlotte is the current home of the White Sox AAA affiliate in the International League.
Mets and White Sox’s have bad ownership, they both get a bundle from local TV revenue far and above what most teams get. A’s are understandable, bad ownership, bad location, no revenue. Rays is simply location, they need to move to Orlando would be better off.
I’ve heard many say the A’s have bad ownership. But does that explain their awful attendance? I do think Vegas will draw a lot more people, even during their temporary home in Sacramento for the next few years.
Since Mike Ilitch has died, the Tigers and Red Wings have not been the same. Mike would spend big time to get the players he wanted. Chris not so much. Thus continual rebuilding.
The era of metro areas having more than 1 team are over unless they are NY or LA. Especially when Illinois is losing population. Philadelphia Boston St Louis and now Bay Area of California had 2 teams at one point too. Demographics and population trends are changing and sports leagues can't endlessly create expansion teams.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Agreed. If North and South Carolina was a single state, it would have over 16 million people, making it the fourth-most populous state in the USA. Yet neither NC nor SC has an MLB team. The closest team to Charlotte is the Braves at 4½ hours away, and the closest team to Raleigh is the Nationals at 5 hours away.
I don't live in the Cleveland area, but perhaps the name change has met with disapproval from a high percentage of its fans? How can Indians be an inappropriate name, when the state right next to Ohio is called Indiana? The Cleveland team should immediately restore the Indians name, and if anyone complains, the team should tell them to go to he🏒🏒.
Reds: fan base was waiting to see if the team was competitive Twins: Weather & Minneapolis drama is why fans aren't going. If they were in St Paul or suburbs they would have better attendance. Guardians: one of Best teams in baseball but still struggling in attendance. So maybe population decline and economy woes. Kansas City: The team isn't terrible. So economic Inflation ongoing im the US so people don't have as much disposable income? Detroit: Bad economy? Pittsburgh: Like Detroit is rust Belt. Lousy team. Tampa Bay: Worst Facility in the game. Should be on the Tampa side of the bay. Marlins: Bad ownership. Fans still upset about the team selling the players after the World series wins White Sox: Cubs being MUCH more popular and a cultural icon. Illinois population loss. Bad team. Oakland: Obvious reasons
How many fans are actually in the seats for A's games? Looks like less than 1,000 most of the time. I guess they go by total number of tickets sold, which is fair since those people pay for the seats and the A's get the money whether those fans show up or not. Also, how many free tickets do they give away....? Would be nice to have students attend games for free or others who may not be able to afford tickets. At least that would show a little goodwill on the part of Fisher.
I think the Cleveland number is inflated with the SRO monthly seat sale. You pay $80 for month and can get into stadium to sit at the bar or in the SRO spots. I think they sell once and count as attended, even if they don't go, every game for that month. They are popular tickets and the team has to cap the number available. The team is hiding the decline from the name change.
@@Tank4Lifeso they are only Counting those monthly freepass tix once on the sale date or are they selling once and multiplying by every game that month? They used to count the butts turning the turnstyle in the mid 90s.
The cities in both of the Central Divisions are in the Midwest where the population is growing slowly or declining. Also, it is cold in those regions in April and May, so the weather reduces attendance until it gets warmer.
Need more divisions south East to get the Braves the hell out of NL East…take the Nats too. I don’t know where the Phillies can go….Then maybe the Mutts might have a chance
Why not switch the Braves to the NL Central and the Pirates to the NL East? The Phillies and Pirates would be intrastate rivals. Pittsburgh's PNC Park (80.0° W longitude) is east of Atlanta's Truist Park (84.5° W longitude).
Why aren't the intrastate rivals Phillies and Pirates in the same division? MLB should switch Pirates to the East and Braves to the Central. Atlanta is longitudinally further west than Pittsburgh.
Why do they not even have a roof? Especially in Minnesota where the cold weather can get brutal?! Yet the Metrodome did have a roof, albeit a crappy bubble one.
It is a market in decline, and there are several metropolitan areas than don't have MLB teams that are more populous than other metropolitan areas with MLB teams. I live in the Phoenix metropolitan area, and I meet a considerably high number of people who have relocated to Arizona from Illinois. If the Chicago area wasn't such a failing region, then why didn't they stay instead of moving to a metropolis where the daytime high temperatures at this time of year frequently exceed 110° F.
I expect your 8,9 &10 all jump now that we are into the summer months. The Twins and Indians just play in very cold areas and that chases fans away early. Most of the rest are poor teams with horrid ownership except for the Rays who are the 1 team that SHOULD relocate. As the Marlins shows.. if you don't field a winner, a great stadium won't draw the fans. Well, the rays field a winner.. and they still can't draw fans for playoff games...
It's somewhat biased based on team performance... List may be accurate no.'s wise but most of these teams except the Rays are not performing at a high level... The Royals for instance when they are good... Pack their stadium... But attendance falls when they drop in performance...
I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THE VIDEO AND I KNOW BOTH FLORIDA TEAMS ARE PROBABLY ON HERE. THE PEOPLE IN MIAMI HAVE A LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE TO DO. THE TAMPA BAY RAYS WOULD QUADRUPLE THEIR ATTENDANCE IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE GO OVER LITERALLY THE WORST BRIDGE IN AMERICA TO THAT GOD AWFUL SEWER SAINT PETERSBURG
@@michaelmarkowski204 Panthers won the first game of the Stanley Cup finals vs. the Edmonton Oilers, so they have a good chance to win the Stanley Cup.
@RB01.10 After going up 3-0 in the Stanley Cup Finals, the Panthers lost the next three games but won the decisive seventh game to win the Stanley Cup.
@@marblox9300 It's fun to go to baseball games? The Rays are trash right now but it's still fun and affordable to go, especially when it's hot outside.
Overall , baseball attendance is excellent, MUCH more popular than NFL, actually. There is no way NFL would get these numbers if they played 160 games. Baseball, which I'm not crazy about, is much more popular than football.
@@RayManzarekRocks @RayManzarekRocks True. What I have always found amazing is that so many teams can still draw 25k+ for so many meaningless games. To me that's the true test of the popularity of a sport. I find it slow and boring for the most part but I'm amazed how many people go
@@spg5658 The vast majority of paying customers are White people. Blacks and Hispanics don't support the product in large numbers. Go to a Rays home game and you'll see about 10 percent minorities in the stands even though the team roster is comprised of 28 percent Hispanic players. If Hispanics stepped up to the plate, Rays attendance would be noticeably higher.
NFL makes many many multiples more in TV deal revenue. MLB has butts in seats in small markets b/c you cannot easily watch on TV. Ppl don't pay for cable anymore.
The Chicago White Sox are currently 27th in MLB in attendance. During the 2025 MLB season, Jerry Reinsdorf will sell the White Sox to billionaire Carl Cook for $2.36 billion. Following the 2027 MLB season, the White Sox will relocate to Indianapolis and play their home games at their new $2 billion 39,000-seat retractable-roof ballpark adjacent to Lucas Oil Stadium in the 2028 MLB season.
Hold up the White Sox franchise we're founded in 1894 and moved to Chicago in 1900. No way they're leaving Chicago after 125 years of history in the city
Think of it this way, FAIR DEAL and you draw more. Either that or win and fact is not every team can do that. Some have to lose. Fair deal means fair prices and stadiums in all major sports won't give fans a fair deal whether they win or not. Baseball teams now even jack up prices further if it is a game with a promotion attached. So they are additionally seeking compensation for the crummy bobbleheads and other promotional souvenirs people are going to sell on Ebay or other sites. I use to go to Royals games in KC and I always liked the location of their stadium. It has since even been remodeled. Putting a stadium downtown does what? It brings people to the businesses, restaurants, and stuff located in downtown. It also brings people to more congested areas for an increase in traffic issues encountered, parking issues encountered with more parking garages there to rip off fans, more crime is located downtown - muggings, purse snatching, etc. The motive for putting stadiums downtown is not for fans but rather business establishments. Isn't getting ripped off (prices) inside the stadium enough? Stumble out tipsey and head to another Bar establishment downtown that serves booze? THEY WANT YOUR 💰 NOT YOU!!!!
Used to be different - Cincinnati and Pittsburgh were always "small market" teams, yet the Reds were unbeatable back in the day, and the Pirates were also very good.
@@joeylawn36111 Much different salary structure in their glory days. The Pirates also were the first team to tap heavily into the Hispanic talent market. There are no secrets any more.
@@RayManzarekRocks Dodgers and Jays were the first two MLB clubs to set up camps and training facilities in the Dominican Republic back in the late 1970s.
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Pirates began to scout Hispanics extensively in the mid-1950s and 1960s, when they signed/drafted/traded for Clemente, McBean, Mota, Alou, Pagan, J. Hernandez, R. Hernandez and Sanguillen among others. They were large part of the foundation for their 1970s mini-dynasty.
Its disgusting how all these shitty attendance teams are all or most of them getting a new stadiums and billion dollar ones at that. What a waste its a crime to the tax paying citizens of those cities. These billionaire owners want a team so bad they should 100% be footing the bill.
@@Tank4Life Tampa is in talks. Whatever happens with the A’s. New stadium. Cleveland just spent millions on renos. Chicago will end up with a new one. Kc as you meant. Detroit is in for major renos I can go on so that's 7 of the 10
@@Tank4Life also in some cases that may as well get a new stadium instead of renovation. But its easier to sell renovation to the tax paying citizen than a complete new stadium
When is MLB gonna figure how to get both teams out of Florida? It’s fascinating because Florida is a great baseball market but it seems hard to support their teams
All these leagues have gotten to big and it be a much better league and the best talent. I think every pro sports leave be best at 24 teams. Ya it is nice to have a team in your home city or close by, but when they build these billion-dollar stadiums on tax payers dime. Is it really worthit🤷♂️
The Marlins will probably be relocating, and if the Rays don't build their new stadium in Tampa, they will be moving too, eventually. Or if the Rays stadium deal falls through, like many believe, they will relocate for sure.
Play lousy baseball, watch millionaire players dogging it on the field, charge an arm and a leg for tickets, food, and parking, and get insulted by team owner/management. Then wonder why actual attendance keeps declining. On top of that have working class taxpayers build new stadiums for billionaires!
I really hope baseball can come back to Montreal.The Jays need a rival.No fun when ur the only team in the entire country. From a Torontonian residing in t.o. (Toronto)
@@michaelmarkowski204 If Canada gets a second team, it would better to situate it in Vancouver instead of Montreal, in my opinion. This is from someone who lived for several years in Washington and made several visits to British Columbia.
@@HighpointerGeocacher I don't think Manfred / MLB owners want another team in Canada. They're currently focused on Vegas, SLC, and Nashville, and maybe Charlotte if Nashville doesn't work out. I think Portland would get a team before a Canadian city would. Plus, the Jays are popular throughout the country and have great TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. coast to coast. Again, just trying to be objective as I'd love to see a team return to Montreal. Vancouver would be great too if Montreal isn't possible.
Canada should have their OWN pro baseball league instead. Force the Blue Jays out and make them form the Canadian Baseball League. That way Cities like Montreal Calgary Edmonton Winnipeg Saskatoon can actually have teams instead of having nothing at all. Japan Korea and Taiwan would never share a baseball league with each other. Why does the US and Canada have to share?
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Charlotte metropolitan area is currently more populous than at least seven metropolitan areas with MLB teams. It passed St. Louis in 2023 and Baltimore in 2024. It has long surpassed Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City, and Milwaukee. See the data here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
Two things stopped me watching Baseball completely - (1) Large number of foreign players (2) Politics in sports in general. I used to spend 1-2 hours per day watching sports in 1990s. In 2023-2024 I have spent not even an hour watching sports.
The team in Cleveland needs to restore the name Cleveland Indians. If I lived in the Cleveland area, I would refuse to go to games at Progressive Field unless the team restored its original name. I attended a Diamondbacks game vs. the Cleveland team at Chase Field last year, and it attracted many fans of the Cleveland team who were wearing old Cleveland Indians attire, including hats and jerseys with the Chief Wahoo logo.
My beloved Mets couldn’t sell out on June 1st, perfect weather day in nyc, when they retired Daryl strawberry’s # , awful
Yep. I was there and they only drew 30k.
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And CitiGroup, Inc., Citibank division Field is a beautiful ballpark. ☹️
I like Strawberries.
We all feel the pain and suffering, Steve Cohen is one of the dumbest owners in sports, and he must sell the Mets to Mike Repole so he'll turn it around and break the long curse once and for all
When I was growing up in NYC in the late 1960’s to late 70’s, the Mets and Yankees had roughly the same number of fans. But for the last 35 years the Mets have been destroyed by idiotic management.
And you know something? All these stadiums are a VAST improvement over the gawd awful “cookie cutter” stadiums of the past, though indeed the modern stadiums are now in need of major renovations!
The Mets were established in 1962 and inherited most of the former New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fans, who never would have become Yankees fans. Mets' popularity peaked in 1969 with a World Series championship and continued into the early 1970's with another World Series appearance in 1973. During this time the Yankees dynasty that had begun with the arrival of Babe Ruth in 1920 ended in 1965, and old Yankee Stadium in the dangerous South Bronx was disintegrating, while Shea Stadium, which had opened in 1964, was more modern and more accessible, at least for a while.
Steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973, and Yankee Stadium was rebuilt in 1976 and the Yankees in the late 1970's won two straight World Series with Reggie, Munson, etc. while the Mets' management became "idiotic" at that same time, trading Tom Seaver and other bad decisions that led to cellar-dwelling Mets teams and Shea Stadium being known as "Grant's Tomb" (for Mets chairman M. Donald Grant). Mets recovered with new ownership in 1980 and from the mid 1980's to early 1990's the Mets again were more popular than the Yankees, with the Mets winning their second World Series in 1986 while the Yankees were in a down cycle during the Mattingly era from 1982 until 1994. However, since 1996 with their first World Series championship of the Jeter, Rivera, et. al. era, the Yankees have been undoubtedly more successful and more popular than the Mets.
@@HighpointerGeocacherTheir championship difference speaks for itself. Albeit the Mets came in later
@@SirManfly The modern "retro" stadium boom began with the opening of Camden Yards in Baltimore in April 1992. That was over 32 years ago, and technology has advanced markedly since them. For example, how many people purchased game tickets in 1992 on a cell phone or used their phone to scan their ticket at the gate?
Most of the 60's and early 70's "cookie cutter" stadiums began being demolished in the late 1990's and early 2000's, after a little over 30 years of use. Seattle's Kingdome (1976-2000) lasted less than 24 years. Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium, which opened in 1965, met its demolition shortly after the 1996 Olympics. Since then, both the Braves and Falcons have replaced the stadiums that they moved into after vacating Fulton County Stadium with even newer facilities.
Mets was the first team to have 3 million in attendance. Contrary to popular belief, most of NY were not Yankee fans. NY Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers shared NY. Many of them became Mets fans when they left. Mets broke attendance records. Yankees were always hated by 2 3rds of NY.
I suspect a lot of these attendance problems are because inflation is high because of the pandemic, and tickets are too expensive. The players have all gotten greedy, so fans have to pay more to stroke their egos. If they had salary caps in baseball and cheaper tickets, I imagine a lot of these issues could be circumvented.
When I was a teenager(1980s), you could sit in the left field bleachers at Exhibition Stadium (Jays) for $4. Had bucket seatbacks and an partial overhang roof to protect those sitting there from the rain or sun.
@@michaelmarkowski204 I remember those days. The CNE grandstand. $4 ticket in 1985 hard to believe now.
@@michaelmarkowski204Isn’t the new one better though with a roof ?
@michaelmarkowski204 As a former resident of the Pacific Northwest, it appears to me that most people who are far away from that region don't realize how dysfunctional Portland has become. That area should not be considered over other large metropolitan areas that are growing at faster rates, have stronger economies and fewer problems.
crazy that al central is all in there
Except for the White S_x, the AL Central is doing surprisingly well standings-wise.
As a Dodgers fan, all of this seems so alien to me. The Dodgers can attract 40k+ on a random Tuesday.
Although it's closer to 10K after the home team bats in the seventh inning.
As for the Twins the main issue was the Bally Sports broadcasting problem, many fans refuse to watch a game in person until the games are broadcast on normal television, and catagorically refuse to buy a Bally sports package just to watch what should have been on channel 29 and had been FOR SIXTY FUCKING YEARS before then.
Rays: they play on St Pete not the city of Tampa
Marlins: they can't draw
Maybe, and I know I’ve probably said this before on this channel but the Marlins will always have their two World Series wins over the Rays.
Marlins still had more success in their first 10 years than most other teams that are decades older.
5:15 looks like the White Sox will have no choice to go to Nashville, Tennessee while the Bears and Enforcers need to make their home games at The Proposed Chicago Dome for Both Football Leagues(UFL & NFL), and Chicago Fire FC Will make their games at SeatGeek Stadium in Bridgeview, Illinois with the Greyhounds and RedStars
Charlotte should be a better choice. Charlotte metro currently has a population greater than seven metro areas with MLB teams. The combined population of NC and SC is over 16 million. Also, Charlotte is the current home of the White Sox AAA affiliate in the International League.
Every last one of the bottom 10 cities are being hit hard economically.
What protest were you referring to in regards to Oakland?
Mets and White Sox’s have bad ownership, they both get a bundle from local TV revenue far and above what most teams get. A’s are understandable, bad ownership, bad location, no revenue. Rays is simply location, they need to move to Orlando would be better off.
I’ve heard many say the A’s have bad ownership. But does that explain their awful attendance?
I do think Vegas will draw a lot more people, even during their temporary home in Sacramento for the next few years.
Maybe the ballparks shouldn't charge $100 to get in.
I can go to a met game for $25,
Since Mike Ilitch has died, the Tigers and Red Wings have not been the same. Mike would spend big time to get the players he wanted. Chris not so much. Thus continual rebuilding.
Common sense tells one that if it wasn't for the Cubs in Chicago, the White Sox attendance would be higher.
The era of metro areas having more than 1 team are over unless they are NY or LA. Especially when Illinois is losing population. Philadelphia Boston St Louis and now Bay Area of California had 2 teams at one point too. Demographics and population trends are changing and sports leagues can't endlessly create expansion teams.
@@HoshizakiYoshimasa Agreed. If North and South Carolina was a single state, it would have over 16 million people, making it the fourth-most populous state in the USA. Yet neither NC nor SC has an MLB team. The closest team to Charlotte is the Braves at 4½ hours away, and the closest team to Raleigh is the Nationals at 5 hours away.
Rays tickets are 35 each
The Indians will finish 17th or 18th in attendance with third- or fourth-best record in the majors? That's all you need to know . . .
I don't live in the Cleveland area, but perhaps the name change has met with disapproval from a high percentage of its fans?
How can Indians be an inappropriate name, when the state right next to Ohio is called Indiana?
The Cleveland team should immediately restore the Indians name, and if anyone complains, the team should tell them to go to he🏒🏒.
Love your username 😀
@@ChiSportsNut18 Don't you love it madly?
@@RayManzarekRocks They are my favorite band. I got to see Robby and Ray perform two years before he died.
@@ChiSportsNut18 Will always regret that the Doors weren't around longer.
Reds: fan base was waiting to see if the team was competitive
Twins: Weather & Minneapolis drama is why fans aren't going. If they were in St Paul or suburbs they would have better attendance.
Guardians: one of Best teams in baseball but still struggling in attendance. So maybe population decline and economy woes.
Kansas City:
The team isn't terrible. So economic Inflation ongoing im the US so people don't have as much disposable income?
Detroit: Bad economy?
Pittsburgh: Like Detroit is rust Belt. Lousy team.
Tampa Bay: Worst Facility in the game. Should be on the Tampa side of the bay.
Marlins: Bad ownership. Fans still upset about the team selling the players after the World series wins
White Sox: Cubs being MUCH more popular and a cultural icon. Illinois population loss. Bad team.
Oakland: Obvious reasons
How many fans are actually in the seats for A's games? Looks like less than 1,000 most of the time. I guess they go by total number of tickets sold, which is fair since those people pay for the seats and the A's get the money whether those fans show up or not. Also, how many free tickets do they give away....? Would be nice to have students attend games for free or others who may not be able to afford tickets. At least that would show a little goodwill on the part of Fisher.
Especially since this is the team’s last year at the Coliseum
I’m surprised Oakland actually sells 6,600 seats a game. I guess they still have a few season ticket holders.
I think the Cleveland number is inflated with the SRO monthly seat sale. You pay $80 for month and can get into stadium to sit at the bar or in the SRO spots. I think they sell once and count as attended, even if they don't go, every game for that month. They are popular tickets and the team has to cap the number available. The team is hiding the decline from the name change.
Nope. Attendance is based solely on ticket sales. It doesn't matter how many actually show up or where they sit.
@@Tank4Lifeso they are only Counting those monthly freepass tix once on the sale date or are they selling once and multiplying by every game that month? They used to count the butts turning the turnstyle in the mid 90s.
It’s sad that the entirety of the AL Central is on this list.
The cities in both of the Central Divisions are in the Midwest where the population is growing slowly or declining. Also, it is cold in those regions in April and May, so the weather reduces attendance until it gets warmer.
Correction: Miami Marlins 37 average attendance
Wow. Didn't know it was so bad. Not even 100 people per game....?
Need more divisions south East to get the Braves the hell out of NL East…take the Nats too. I don’t know where the Phillies can go….Then maybe the Mutts might have a chance
Why not switch the Braves to the NL Central and the Pirates to the NL East? The Phillies and Pirates would be intrastate rivals. Pittsburgh's PNC Park (80.0° W longitude) is east of Atlanta's Truist Park (84.5° W longitude).
Why aren't the intrastate rivals Phillies and Pirates in the same division? MLB should switch Pirates to the East and Braves to the Central. Atlanta is longitudinally further west than Pittsburgh.
Basically the AL central
2:06 Minnesota Twins need to make a fortune in Saint Paul, Minnesota
It would appear to me that the decline of Minneapolis has had a negative effect on Twins' attendance.
Why do they not even have a roof?
Especially in Minnesota where the cold weather can get brutal?!
Yet the Metrodome did have a roof, albeit a crappy bubble one.
AL Central always struggles with attendance until July thru September.
Mount Davis open and full for the final home game of the season with a legit sellout.....?
Chicago is a big market. Its the third largest market in the US!
Nope.
It is a market in decline, and there are several metropolitan areas than don't have MLB teams that are more populous than other metropolitan areas with MLB teams.
I live in the Phoenix metropolitan area, and I meet a considerably high number of people who have relocated to Arizona from Illinois. If the Chicago area wasn't such a failing region, then why didn't they stay instead of moving to a metropolis where the daytime high temperatures at this time of year frequently exceed 110° F.
@@HighpointerGeocacher Yep. For example - Gary, Indiana is bigger than Chicago but has no team.
Houston and Dallas metro areas are about to leapfrog past Chicago if current population trends hold and Illinois keeps losing population
KC attendance is better. This year's attendance issues have to do with the stadium issues and issues with the owner. Been a KC fan for over 35 years.
Royals have a good chance to advance to the playoffs in 2024. Bobby Witt Jr. is likely to be MVP
I hope you're right@HighpointerGeocacher
I expect your 8,9 &10 all jump now that we are into the summer months. The Twins and Indians just play in very cold areas and that chases fans away early. Most of the rest are poor teams with horrid ownership except for the Rays who are the 1 team that SHOULD relocate. As the Marlins shows.. if you don't field a winner, a great stadium won't draw the fans. Well, the rays field a winner.. and they still can't draw fans for playoff games...
It's somewhat biased based on team performance... List may be accurate no.'s wise but most of these teams except the Rays are not performing at a high level... The Royals for instance when they are good... Pack their stadium... But attendance falls when they drop in performance...
I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THE VIDEO AND I KNOW BOTH FLORIDA TEAMS ARE PROBABLY ON HERE.
THE PEOPLE IN MIAMI HAVE A LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE TO DO.
THE TAMPA BAY RAYS WOULD QUADRUPLE THEIR ATTENDANCE IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE GO OVER LITERALLY THE WORST BRIDGE IN AMERICA TO THAT GOD AWFUL SEWER SAINT PETERSBURG
How come the Dolphins / Heat / Panthers can draw if there's so many other things to do.....?
@@michaelmarkowski204 Panthers won the first game of the Stanley Cup finals vs. the Edmonton Oilers, so they have a good chance to win the Stanley Cup.
@@HighpointerGeocacherAnd now they likely will bring up 3-0
@RB01.10 After going up 3-0 in the Stanley Cup Finals, the Panthers lost the next three games but won the decisive seventh game to win the Stanley Cup.
Why are you yelling?
You and Zack Hample are the best
1:10 It’s over Cleve. Guardians, The Browns has the High ground at Progressive Field
I'm going to a Rays game tomorrow.
Why.??? I'm not.
@@marblox9300 It's fun to go to baseball games? The Rays are trash right now but it's still fun and affordable to go, especially when it's hot outside.
@@91_C4_FL Um, no.
@@marblox9300 You’re weird.
@@91_C4_FL Um, no.
Overall , baseball attendance is excellent, MUCH more popular than NFL, actually. There is no way NFL would get these numbers if they played 160 games. Baseball, which I'm not crazy about, is much more popular than football.
That's one of the major problems, brah. MLB plays too many meaningless games. The NFL does not.
@@RayManzarekRocks @RayManzarekRocks True. What I have always found amazing is that so many teams can still draw 25k+ for so many meaningless games. To me that's the true test of the popularity of a sport.
I find it slow and boring for the most part but I'm amazed how many people go
@@spg5658 The vast majority of paying customers are White people. Blacks and Hispanics don't support the product in large numbers. Go to a Rays home game and you'll see about 10 percent minorities in the stands even though the team roster is comprised of 28 percent Hispanic players. If Hispanics stepped up to the plate, Rays attendance would be noticeably higher.
NFL makes many many multiples more in TV deal revenue. MLB has butts in seats in small markets b/c you cannot easily watch on TV. Ppl don't pay for cable anymore.
Baseball is more popular globally than Padded Rugby, excuse me, American Football.
More countries actually play baseball than American Football
6:28 Long live Montreal, Quebec 🇨🇦 🇫🇷
So, pretty much the entire AL Central lol
The Chicago White Sox are currently 27th in MLB in attendance. During the 2025 MLB season, Jerry Reinsdorf will sell the White Sox to billionaire Carl Cook for $2.36 billion. Following the 2027 MLB season, the White Sox will relocate to Indianapolis and play their home games at their new $2 billion 39,000-seat retractable-roof ballpark adjacent to Lucas Oil Stadium in the 2028 MLB season.
Hold up the White Sox franchise we're founded in 1894 and moved to Chicago in 1900. No way they're leaving Chicago after 125 years of history in the city
That stadium can't convert into a baseball stadium
@@Whitesox_joeyhe said next to it
How do you know this?
They are not relocating to indianapolis, plus where can they even play no way the taxpayers are paying for a baseball stadium
Damn, is every team in MLB supposed to sell out every game? if they don't they're no good
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Think of it this way, FAIR DEAL and you draw more. Either that or win and fact is not every team can do that. Some have to lose. Fair deal means fair prices and stadiums in all major sports won't give fans a fair deal whether they win or not. Baseball teams now even jack up prices further if it is a game with a promotion attached. So they are additionally seeking compensation for the crummy bobbleheads and other promotional souvenirs people are going to sell on Ebay or other sites. I use to go to Royals games in KC and I always liked the location of their stadium. It has since even been remodeled. Putting a stadium downtown does what? It brings people to the businesses, restaurants, and stuff located in downtown. It also brings people to more congested areas for an increase in traffic issues encountered, parking issues encountered with more parking garages there to rip off fans, more crime is located downtown - muggings, purse snatching, etc. The motive for putting stadiums downtown is not for fans but rather business establishments. Isn't getting ripped off (prices) inside the stadium enough? Stumble out tipsey and head to another Bar establishment downtown that serves booze? THEY WANT YOUR 💰 NOT YOU!!!!
Royals have nothing to lose. They have to try something. They can't keep drawing so poorly.
Please rank Marlins so they can play better
MLB is a niche sport. If you live in a major market, it's great. Otherwise, background noise.
Used to be different - Cincinnati and Pittsburgh were always "small market" teams, yet the Reds were unbeatable back in the day, and the Pirates were also very good.
@@joeylawn36111 Much different salary structure in their glory days. The Pirates also were the first team to tap heavily into the Hispanic talent market. There are no secrets any more.
@@joeylawn36111 Pirates: We Are Family era.
@@RayManzarekRocks Dodgers and Jays were the first two MLB clubs to set up camps and training facilities in the Dominican Republic back in the late 1970s.
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Pirates began to scout Hispanics extensively in the mid-1950s and 1960s, when they signed/drafted/traded for Clemente, McBean, Mota, Alou, Pagan, J. Hernandez, R. Hernandez and Sanguillen among others. They were large part of the foundation for their 1970s mini-dynasty.
Its disgusting how all these shitty attendance teams are all or most of them getting a new stadiums and billion dollar ones at that. What a waste its a crime to the tax paying citizens of those cities. These billionaire owners want a team so bad they should 100% be footing the bill.
Other than Kansas City, none of them are getting new stadiums.
@@Tank4Life Tampa is in talks. Whatever happens with the A’s. New stadium. Cleveland just spent millions on renos. Chicago will end up with a new one. Kc as you meant. Detroit is in for major renos I can go on so that's 7 of the 10
@@Tank4Life also in some cases that may as well get a new stadium instead of renovation. But its easier to sell renovation to the tax paying citizen than a complete new stadium
The White Sox can pick as high as 10th in 2025.
Oakland A's, yeah a major joke, they will like Sacto, cuz well anything is better than that horrible stadium
When is MLB gonna figure how to get both teams out of Florida? It’s fascinating because Florida is a great baseball market but it seems hard to support their teams
It's a great Spring Training market. The weather is terrible down there in the summertime.
Quit bringing up the damm cubs dude 😒😒
All these leagues have gotten to big and it be a much better league and the best talent. I think every pro sports leave be best at 24 teams. Ya it is nice to have a team in your home city or close by, but when they build these billion-dollar stadiums on tax payers dime. Is it really worthit🤷♂️
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Lets just have a league where there are only 4 teams. Dodgers, Red Sox, and Cubs.
and whos the 4th? The A's right
@@ClintEasywood69 Nope.
The Marlins will probably be relocating, and if the Rays don't build their new stadium in Tampa, they will be moving too, eventually. Or if the Rays stadium deal falls through, like many believe, they will relocate for sure.
No way that ballpark in Miami sits empty it only opened in 2012
Play lousy baseball, watch millionaire players dogging it on the field, charge an arm and a leg for tickets, food, and parking, and get insulted by team owner/management. Then wonder why actual attendance keeps declining. On top of that have working class taxpayers build new stadiums for billionaires!
W r u spreading false information half the time
w r u talking about?
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I really hope baseball can come back to Montreal.The Jays need a rival.No fun when ur the only team in the entire country. From a Torontonian residing in t.o. (Toronto)
I'm a Canadian and Jays fan too, and I highly doubt Montreal will get another MLB team, though they were my fav growing up.
@@michaelmarkowski204 If Canada gets a second team, it would better to situate it in Vancouver instead of Montreal, in my opinion. This is from someone who lived for several years in Washington and made several visits to British Columbia.
@@HighpointerGeocacher I don't think Manfred / MLB owners want another team in Canada. They're currently focused on Vegas, SLC, and Nashville, and maybe Charlotte if Nashville doesn't work out. I think Portland would get a team before a Canadian city would. Plus, the Jays are popular throughout the country and have great TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. coast to coast. Again, just trying to be objective as I'd love to see a team return to Montreal. Vancouver would be great too if Montreal isn't possible.
Canada should have their OWN pro baseball league instead. Force the Blue Jays out and make them form the Canadian Baseball League. That way Cities like Montreal Calgary Edmonton Winnipeg Saskatoon can actually have teams instead of having nothing at all. Japan Korea and Taiwan would never share a baseball league with each other. Why does the US and Canada have to share?
@@michaelmarkowski204 The Charlotte metropolitan area is currently more populous than at least seven metropolitan areas with MLB teams. It passed St. Louis in 2023 and Baltimore in 2024. It has long surpassed Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Kansas City, and Milwaukee. See the data here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
Two things stopped me watching Baseball completely - (1) Large number of foreign players (2) Politics in sports in general.
I used to spend 1-2 hours per day watching sports in 1990s. In 2023-2024 I have spent not even an hour watching sports.
U have alot more options nowadays, u would have probably done the same thing ,decades ago, if u had the options,
1:10 It’s over Cleve. Guardians, The Browns has the High ground at Progressive Field
The team in Cleveland needs to restore the name Cleveland Indians. If I lived in the Cleveland area, I would refuse to go to games at Progressive Field unless the team restored its original name.
I attended a Diamondbacks game vs. the Cleveland team at Chase Field last year, and it attracted many fans of the Cleveland team who were wearing old Cleveland Indians attire, including hats and jerseys with the Chief Wahoo logo.
The Cleveland Guardians need a new Baseball Stadium at Brooks Park in Cleveland, Ohio next door to the Airport