A few months ago I counted 25 Tesla Supercharging stations north of the Arctic Circle in Norway, Sweden, and Finland. That's a talking point to show EVs work just fine in cold wx.
yeah, you are right. The EVs work just fine in cold weather. You just have to charge a bit more often. In my car power consumption goes up approximately 25% in the winter.
For me as a Ev owner in norway going from ICE to ev was 100% cost the monthy "fuel" cost are down to around 10% of what it was as i can charge at home only times i use fast chargers is when i drive in the winter and often lack just a bit to get home so a top up to get home is all i do and the fast charger cost are about the same then as the savings on the toll roads i use
I wonder if it isn’t better to just drive slower to make it home. EVs are very sensitive to speed as wind resistance is the main thing that reduces range at higher speeds. I guess you have to do the calculations to decide if it’s more worth it to spend a few minutes extra driving bc you’re going slower or if it’s more worth the time to get off the highway and plug in a few minutes and get back on route…
The US has an Oil and Auto industry fighting EVs… There’s a reason they once collected up 10s of thousands of EVs and crushed them (See “who killed the electric car”) Now they manipulate the media etc to their own ends… GM also bought up trolly car systems in cities and ran them into the ground and out of business. So yeah…
Current incentives in Norway for EVs are: no 25% VAT for the first 500k NOK, -30% in toll roads and 30-50% reduced price on ferries that still cost money. A big money saver not mentioned is also electricity price vs fuel price. In Norway fuel is around 8 USD/gallon so its much easier to save on the running cost. In the US I think the big issues for non Tesla drivers is the lack of charging infrastructure. The places that do have some it seems 1-2 are out of order. This makes it stressful to do road tripping which Americans seem to do a lot.
Fascinating discussion. 12:00 That's what I have been saying, gas stations can retire gas pumps and put electric chargers in the same spot (a lawful distance away from other gas pumps). Gas stations retire gas pumps (and the tanks underneath) all the time when they go out of business.
Yeah and EV customers will be more likely to spend more time and in turn more money on the convenience items. Gas stations don’t make much money on gas in the US that’s why they sell chips, soda, beer etc
This is exactly what is happening in Norway. It’s starting to resemble the Buc-ee’s model, but with EV charging stations, where people spend money and hang out before continuing on their way.
I Live in the neighbor Country Sweden and we sold alot of EV's when we had good incentives, but then we changed government and one of the first thing the new government did was to remove the EV incentives and late also lowered the gas taxes. So now tides have turned and not many people want to buy an EV anymore since they are quite more expensive than gas cars. In order to get the ball rolling again, it's important to get those incentives back, because all the high income people has already bought EV's, but the regular families can't afford the expensive EVs with no incentives.
36:00 Interesting that Norway in the past (prior to 2018) was mostly diesel fuel for all vehicles as opposed to gas fuel. That would mean terrible air quality in the cities. I looked at the BEV adoption curve for Norway and it starts in 2011. Norway hit about 8% (the current US adoption %age for BEVs) in 2013.
Most European countries are/were mostly diesel because the efficiency of diesel engines helped with high fuel costs. Imagine the poor air quality in the winter during inversions.
@@markwilliams4671 Wow. I did not know that. That's crazy. I'm glad EU/UK adoption is going well. Not so well in my state, North Carolina, US, like 7-8%.
They may have significantly fewer miles of multilane roads, but you can still travel long distances. Driving Oslo to Nordkapp in the extreme north (which I have done in an electric car) is like driving San Diego to Everett (north of Seattle). But, because of the lower speeds, it is still a multi-day trip (like crossing the U.S. east to west).
Great to see a fellow countryman in the podcast. I am not sure how much the low speed affect the rate, but one factor might also be that Norwegians like to be in early adopters in technology. (smartphones, internett ++)
@@Gazer75 yes, but again I am not sure this is a reason that 85% of cars sold in Norway is EVs. Most people live around Oslo, and Oslo is the city with the highest numbers of EVs. And here around it is highways with 110 km/h. My averge consumption on my e-tron is 27kWh/100km because of this.
@@evkx Speed and consumption is not a big part, but it is probably one reason. The average distance people get is more here. Not everyone drive on a motorway every day in Norway you know. And the EV adoption is pretty good all over the country. Even Finnmark is above 50% of new sales. Problem many Americans have is the range apparently. If you drive for hours at high speed the consumption will be high and range low. Many don't fee like stopping every hour or two to charge. Warm summer weather might also play a role with AC having to work harder. The 10-80% range is not that great on many EVs yet at high speed. Add the common problem with broken chargers in the US and it doesn't help I guess. My average for the past 3600km is less than 130Wh/km because my average speed is around 40. Obviously a lot of it is due to short local trips. My EV also counts while stationary so that's probably why speed is low. If it's on while charging average speed drops. My nearest motorway would be almost 2 hours away. Did som nice day trips during the nice May weather we had and got
In the US the oil, automobile, and other industries are going to lobby against EVs it's amazing we have any incentives at all. EVs will eventually get cheaper than gas cars so they may not be needed for very long. What we can do is work on charging infrastructure. Most automakers seem to be resigned to the fact that EVs are the future so I'm not worried about them being made we just need to make sure there are plenty of places to charge for long trips and those who can't charge at home.
I’m so glad your guest raised the point about speed killing range. I’d like to see more range tests at lower speeds. Especially towing at lower speeds.
I drive an EV myself, and I am a big fan. It is the best car I ever had! However, the biggest secret behind the success of EV's in Norway is the fact that historically cars had extremely high duties on them, basically doubling the price compared to what you would find in car producing European countries. By dropping these duties on EV's, the price of a new EV became identical with ICE cars. In other words, for other countries, with more reasonable duties on cars to copy the Norwegian experience, they would have to positively subsidize the EV's to a level where they compete with ICE.
One thing that works in Norway but not in many places us that although their main export is oil, but most electricity there is hydro powered And since many ev there are imported, the car is "clean" in Norway
Very interesting show, thank you. I do have a quick question for William unrelated to EV’s or EVSE. How did you get that first name living/being Norwegian? Thank you in advance for entertaining my question and have a great day.
Norway seems to be a Goldilocks situation for things like this. They have large oil reserves and hydro power availability compared to population size, and the population is largely concentrated. And I thought I’d read that winters in the populated area of Norway are more mild and stays close to 32F, somewhat similar to how Washington state doesn’t get as cold as other northern states. Doesn’t Norway also have a decent public transportation system? I do think that the only way the US will have a substantial enough charging network is through government funding. Well also need chargers in areas where it doesn’t make financial sense.
I can see the use of government funding to get charging to rural areas where it would otherwise be not economical, but in the long run, government money is too erratic to be relied upon, as it depends on politics which can rapidly change every four years. For example, I would not at all be surprised to see NEVI just disappear entirely in 2025 by executive order, whether Congress formally repeals it or not. Much more stable is revenue from customers who actually charge at the stations.
When people question the viability of EVs in cold weather and traveling distances, I wish more emphasis would be placed on how well EVs are doing in Norway.
The other thing nobody mentions is how badly cold weather affects ICE - they are SO inefficient in normal conditions people rarely notice just how much extra gas or diesel they consume in cold weather. If you didn’t have electrically powered block heaters consuming loads of electricity in really cold places ICE drivers would be going nowhere.
No nuclear. They shut down the last research reactor a few years ago. Doubt nuclear will be an option before hydro, wind and solar have exhausted their potential.
Why would Norway ever build a nuclear plant? They have 99% hydro, are they going to build nuclear for 1%? Sweden does have nuclear, since they don't have the hydro resources.
@@georgepelton5645 The cost per kWh is a factor here. Norway have almost exhausted its hydro power potential. What is left is mostly small scale unregulated run-of-the-river type, and those don't work in winter when demand is high because rivers freeze. Wind on shore is a very touchy subject and there are lots of conflicts. Offshore wind is also expensive due to deep waters that require floating installations. Some argue that floating wind farms are more expensive than nuclear over its lifespan. Still doubt any traditional nuclear plants will be built in a very long time if ever. Maybe if SMR is getting more popular and costs are reduced.
In Europe EV drivers must carry their own cords. They are locked in place automatically by both the EVSE outlet and the car. This greatly helps reduce problems with theft.
In the long term, a lot of streetside charging will be done inductively using a plate in the vehicle and another buried below the parking space. This will eliminate external cables.
It should be possible with NACS and some companies have started bring your own cord charging in the US. The way it works is that you sign up with a charging company an they will mail you a core as those are not included with American EVs.
You usually do so well on these types of podcasts. You have Norway being the largest European producer of oil and also a rapid adopter of EVs. You had a real opportunity to discuss the political aspects of the adoption. What roadblocks did the oil industry put in place? How was the threat to jobs and income received? Was there a pro-oil faction versus pro-environment/EV faction? It may provide a glimpse of what to expect in the US.
Keep in mind a large portion of the oil and gas industry is state owned in Norway. The big ones are Equinor and Gassco. It is also taxed roughly 75% and the money is put into the sovereign wealth fund.
I think Full Self Driving may allow ppl to relax and slow down to get better efficiency. The reason being that if you’re sleeping or watching a movie having a conversation etc…, you may not care as much about going to maximum speed possible…
Ah Norway, don’t get high on your own supply. I love it, seriously good for them on accepting evs that were pushed in them by their government. But let’s not try that here in the US, we aren’t subjects no matter how much people seem to really want that, getting gov involved in different industries here is not a good idea.
The problem is, while we're all sitting around saying the government is not going to tell us what to do, China is going to corner the world vehicle market and American automakers are going to be screwed because, to be competitive, automakers have to build on a global scale and they have to build cars that are cheaper to build. EVs, with the exception of their batteries, are already cheaper than ICE vehicles, and the entire vehicle will be cheaper as well assuming existing trends in battery prices continue for another 5-10 years (and that's not even factoring in what happens when significantly lower priced battery chemistries are introduced).
It works, because they have the popular support & the political will to implement it. Such proposals would be DOA in the U.S. Congress. We don't even have the political will to adjust/index the 1993 Federal fuel tax for inflation.
I wonder if guests agrees with the recent report from McKenzie that says 18% of Norway EV buyers want to switch back to gas vehicles. For US, their survey claimed 46% want to switch back. This is awful. My suspicion is most of these buyers don’t have home charging.
So, the real answer is the only reason people buy them is that they have massive insentives to manipulate them in to buying them. The sales tax thing is huge when you have a VAT of 25%. On a 40k car that's a 10k bonus. That means 50k BEV is not competing with a 50k ICE, but the ICE needs to be 40k instead. EVs just don't sell in places that don't manipulate people in to buying them.
I think the true cost of driving, whether fossil fuel or electric, should be part of the Monroney label (window sticker), and should factor in externalities like health impacts, fossil fuel subsidies, military cost to shore up/invade oil producing countries, etc. If externalities were factored in, fossil fuel vehicles would be more costly than electric and no incentives would be necessary to drive the transition to electric.
@@Snerdles I’m glad to hear that you’re also concerned about child labor in artisanal cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. There’s good and bad news on that issue. The good news is that battery manufacturers are quickly changing battery chemistry to reduce or eliminate entirely the amount of cobalt used. Most electric cars now have lithium iron phosphate batteries that contain no cobalt. The bad news is that vast quantities of cobalt are still used by refineries in the production of petroleum products and that usage isn’t decreasing nearly fast enough.
There is also reduced weight tax and the grams of C02 per kilometer tax is also lower.
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the oil companies along with Japanese auto companies are the ones providing the negative news about EV's . As a EV fan and on my second ev 1st was a BMWI3 and now a Tesla model 3 iam never going back to a gas powered car..and I vote..
In this case it is the same. Sales tax is on the end product. VAT is added at all steps, but because we import cars in Norway its only the final sale that is taxed.
China As of 2024, China is the country with the most electric cars in the world - and by a long shot. In 2021, there were 417 million registered vehicles in China, 319 million of which were passenger cars. Of that, 13.1 million were “new energy vehicles” - those with electric, hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell powertrains.31 Jan 2024
Francie, you are just an excellent interviewer, and know the EXACT questions to ask - ones that your knowledgable audience would enjoy hearing about. William’s direct knowledge of EVs, and his language skills (!) are impressive, to say the least. Even though Norway is a small population (e.g., Oslo - about 1M, Bergen - about 300k), IT ILLUSTRATES what is possible for the U.S. Once more people realize that EVs are the future - we really need to stop burning stuff - then the rate of adoption will take off quicker than a Model 3 Rocket! Happy Days. 👊👍🏿🫶🏿
A few months ago I counted 25 Tesla Supercharging stations north of the Arctic Circle in Norway, Sweden, and Finland. That's a talking point to show EVs work just fine in cold wx.
yeah, you are right. The EVs work just fine in cold weather. You just have to charge a bit more often. In my car power consumption goes up approximately 25% in the winter.
For me as a Ev owner in norway going from ICE to ev was 100% cost the monthy "fuel" cost are down to around 10% of what it was as i can charge at home only times i use fast chargers is when i drive in the winter and often lack just a bit to get home so a top up to get home is all i do and the fast charger cost are about the same then as the savings on the toll roads i use
I wonder if it isn’t better to just drive slower to make it home. EVs are very sensitive to speed as wind resistance is the main thing that reduces range at higher speeds. I guess you have to do the calculations to decide if it’s more worth it to spend a few minutes extra driving bc you’re going slower or if it’s more worth the time to get off the highway and plug in a few minutes and get back on route…
The US has an Oil and Auto industry fighting EVs…
There’s a reason they once collected up 10s of thousands of EVs and crushed them (See “who killed the electric car”) Now they manipulate the media etc to their own ends…
GM also bought up trolly car systems in cities and ran them into the ground and out of business. So yeah…
Kyle has taken a couple of trips in Norway. It would be helpful for this discussion to post links to Kyle's videos.
Really good topics lately.
Cheers Francie and William
Check them out, they look like brother and sister, look at the nose.
Good afternoon Francie and William
About EV spotting, ID Buzz is also among the most popular company EV vehicle in Norway.
Current incentives in Norway for EVs are: no 25% VAT for the first 500k NOK, -30% in toll roads and 30-50% reduced price on ferries that still cost money.
A big money saver not mentioned is also electricity price vs fuel price. In Norway fuel is around 8 USD/gallon so its much easier to save on the running cost.
In the US I think the big issues for non Tesla drivers is the lack of charging infrastructure. The places that do have some it seems 1-2 are out of order. This makes it stressful to do road tripping which Americans seem to do a lot.
Fascinating discussion. 12:00 That's what I have been saying, gas stations can retire gas pumps and put electric chargers in the same spot (a lawful distance away from other gas pumps). Gas stations retire gas pumps (and the tanks underneath) all the time when they go out of business.
Yeah and EV customers will be more likely to spend more time and in turn more money on the convenience items.
Gas stations don’t make much money on gas in the US that’s why they sell chips, soda, beer etc
@@michaelsmithers4900 Agreed
This is exactly what is happening in Norway. It’s starting to resemble the Buc-ee’s model, but with EV charging stations, where people spend money and hang out before continuing on their way.
@@TAD-9 Nice!!
Good podcast
I remember video on Kyle and Alyssa's journey across Norway--chargers were everywhere, even in very small towns
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Interesting- thank you!
I Live in the neighbor Country Sweden and we sold alot of EV's when we had good incentives, but then we changed government and one of the first thing the new government did was to remove the EV incentives and late also lowered the gas taxes.
So now tides have turned and not many people want to buy an EV anymore since they are quite more expensive than gas cars.
In order to get the ball rolling again, it's important to get those incentives back, because all the high income people has already bought EV's, but the regular families can't afford the expensive EVs with no incentives.
36:00 Interesting that Norway in the past (prior to 2018) was mostly diesel fuel for all vehicles as opposed to gas fuel. That would mean terrible air quality in the cities. I looked at the BEV adoption curve for Norway and it starts in 2011. Norway hit about 8% (the current US adoption %age for BEVs) in 2013.
Most European countries are/were mostly diesel because the efficiency of diesel engines helped with high fuel costs. Imagine the poor air quality in the winter during inversions.
@@markwilliams4671 Wow. I did not know that. That's crazy. I'm glad EU/UK adoption is going well. Not so well in my state, North Carolina, US, like 7-8%.
That is interesting. If you have shorter roads and lower speed limits that would greatly increase the range of an EV.
They may have significantly fewer miles of multilane roads, but you can still travel long distances. Driving Oslo to Nordkapp in the extreme north (which I have done in an electric car) is like driving San Diego to Everett (north of Seattle). But, because of the lower speeds, it is still a multi-day trip (like crossing the U.S. east to west).
Great to see a fellow countryman in the podcast.
I am not sure how much the low speed affect the rate, but one factor might also be that Norwegians like to be in early adopters in technology. (smartphones, internett ++)
Speed is a big factor. TB's drives show this. His hammering during 1000km vs the chill trips where hes at or below the speed limit on slower roads.
@@Gazer75 it is a factor for consumption, but in the show the low speed limits in Norway was used as a factor Why people buys evs
@@evkx It does give EVs more range as consumption is lower per distance traveled. My EV get 30-50% more range if I don't go 110+ on the motorway.
@@Gazer75 yes, but again I am not sure this is a reason that 85% of cars sold in Norway is EVs. Most people live around Oslo, and Oslo is the city with the highest numbers of EVs. And here around it is highways with 110 km/h. My averge consumption on my e-tron is 27kWh/100km because of this.
@@evkx Speed and consumption is not a big part, but it is probably one reason. The average distance people get is more here.
Not everyone drive on a motorway every day in Norway you know. And the EV adoption is pretty good all over the country. Even Finnmark is above 50% of new sales.
Problem many Americans have is the range apparently. If you drive for hours at high speed the consumption will be high and range low. Many don't fee like stopping every hour or two to charge. Warm summer weather might also play a role with AC having to work harder. The 10-80% range is not that great on many EVs yet at high speed. Add the common problem with broken chargers in the US and it doesn't help I guess.
My average for the past 3600km is less than 130Wh/km because my average speed is around 40. Obviously a lot of it is due to short local trips. My EV also counts while stationary so that's probably why speed is low. If it's on while charging average speed drops.
My nearest motorway would be almost 2 hours away.
Did som nice day trips during the nice May weather we had and got
In the US the oil, automobile, and other industries are going to lobby against EVs it's amazing we have any incentives at all. EVs will eventually get cheaper than gas cars so they may not be needed for very long. What we can do is work on charging infrastructure. Most automakers seem to be resigned to the fact that EVs are the future so I'm not worried about them being made we just need to make sure there are plenty of places to charge for long trips and those who can't charge at home.
I’m so glad your guest raised the point about speed killing range.
I’d like to see more range tests at lower speeds. Especially towing at lower speeds.
I drive an EV myself, and I am a big fan. It is the best car I ever had! However, the biggest secret behind the success of EV's in Norway is the fact that historically cars had extremely high duties on them, basically doubling the price compared to what you would find in car producing European countries. By dropping these duties on EV's, the price of a new EV became identical with ICE cars. In other words, for other countries, with more reasonable duties on cars to copy the Norwegian experience, they would have to positively subsidize the EV's to a level where they compete with ICE.
Norway could be role model for how to get EVs on the road, they're doing such a great job ❤❤❤❤
One thing that works in Norway but not in many places us that although their main export is oil, but most electricity there is hydro powered
And since many ev there are imported, the car is "clean" in Norway
Very interesting show, thank you. I do have a quick question for William unrelated to EV’s or EVSE. How did you get that first name living/being Norwegian? Thank you in advance for entertaining my question and have a great day.
William is a very popular boy name in Norway. I also have family in the States. Thank you for watching!
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What are the top 10 ICE vehicles vs top 10 BEV sold in Norway vs the US?
Norway seems to be a Goldilocks situation for things like this. They have large oil reserves and hydro power availability compared to population size, and the population is largely concentrated. And I thought I’d read that winters in the populated area of Norway are more mild and stays close to 32F, somewhat similar to how Washington state doesn’t get as cold as other northern states. Doesn’t Norway also have a decent public transportation system? I do think that the only way the US will have a substantial enough charging network is through government funding. Well also need chargers in areas where it doesn’t make financial sense.
Norway has good public transport in the cities, but rely heavily on car infrastructure for travelling between and outside cities. I agree with you!
I can see the use of government funding to get charging to rural areas where it would otherwise be not economical, but in the long run, government money is too erratic to be relied upon, as it depends on politics which can rapidly change every four years. For example, I would not at all be surprised to see NEVI just disappear entirely in 2025 by executive order, whether Congress formally repeals it or not. Much more stable is revenue from customers who actually charge at the stations.
Yes East-Norway has a much milder climate than however the temperature does drop below -20 Celsius sometimes.
Where does Norway stand on adopting other climate areas, like solar and BESS.
When people question the viability of EVs in cold weather and traveling distances, I wish more emphasis would be placed on how well EVs are doing in Norway.
The other thing nobody mentions is how badly cold weather affects ICE - they are SO inefficient in normal conditions people rarely notice just how much extra gas or diesel they consume in cold weather. If you didn’t have electrically powered block heaters consuming loads of electricity in really cold places ICE drivers would be going nowhere.
Also, has Norway built any nuclear power plants in recent years?
No nuclear. They shut down the last research reactor a few years ago.
Doubt nuclear will be an option before hydro, wind and solar have exhausted their potential.
Why would Norway ever build a nuclear plant? They have 99% hydro, are they going to build nuclear for 1%? Sweden does have nuclear, since they don't have the hydro resources.
@@georgepelton5645 The cost per kWh is a factor here. Norway have almost exhausted its hydro power potential. What is left is mostly small scale unregulated run-of-the-river type, and those don't work in winter when demand is high because rivers freeze.
Wind on shore is a very touchy subject and there are lots of conflicts. Offshore wind is also expensive due to deep waters that require floating installations. Some argue that floating wind farms are more expensive than nuclear over its lifespan.
Still doubt any traditional nuclear plants will be built in a very long time if ever. Maybe if SMR is getting more popular and costs are reduced.
Norway used to have three nuclear research reactor and no commercial ones.
I think if we tried to adopt curbside parking, you would see an epidemic of cord theft without some very harsh penalties to discourage it.
In Europe EV drivers must carry their own cords. They are locked in place automatically by both the EVSE outlet and the car. This greatly helps reduce problems with theft.
In the long term, a lot of streetside charging will be done inductively using a plate in the vehicle and another buried below the parking space. This will eliminate external cables.
@@markwilliams4671 That sounds like it would solve a lot of problems. But I wonder how long it will be before automakers adopt that technology.
It should be possible with NACS and some companies have started bring your own cord charging in the US. The way it works is that you sign up with a charging company an they will mail you a core as those are not included with American EVs.
You usually do so well on these types of podcasts. You have Norway being the largest European producer of oil and also a rapid adopter of EVs. You had a real opportunity to discuss the political aspects of the adoption. What roadblocks did the oil industry put in place? How was the threat to jobs and income received? Was there a pro-oil faction versus pro-environment/EV faction? It may provide a glimpse of what to expect in the US.
Keep in mind a large portion of the oil and gas industry is state owned in Norway. The big ones are Equinor and Gassco.
It is also taxed roughly 75% and the money is put into the sovereign wealth fund.
@@Gazer75 Thanks for info.
Exports are essential for the industry sadly am unsure how much the industry cares about local demand.
We all have the news media that's always saying about EVs not selling well what a load of crap that is
Hello, my "Viking" compadre.
Speed limits may vary between Norway and USA so results will change.
I think Full Self Driving may allow ppl to relax and slow down to get better efficiency. The reason being that if you’re sleeping or watching a movie having a conversation etc…, you may not care as much about going to maximum speed possible…
Ah Norway, don’t get high on your own supply. I love it, seriously good for them on accepting evs that were pushed in them by their government. But let’s not try that here in the US, we aren’t subjects no matter how much people seem to really want that, getting gov involved in different industries here is not a good idea.
The problem is, while we're all sitting around saying the government is not going to tell us what to do, China is going to corner the world vehicle market and American automakers are going to be screwed because, to be competitive, automakers have to build on a global scale and they have to build cars that are cheaper to build. EVs, with the exception of their batteries, are already cheaper than ICE vehicles, and the entire vehicle will be cheaper as well assuming existing trends in battery prices continue for another 5-10 years (and that's not even factoring in what happens when significantly lower priced battery chemistries are introduced).
Who has starling ?
so William is your name Roaming Norway.
I did hear a lot about copper thieves
It works, because they have the popular support & the political will to implement it. Such proposals would be DOA in the U.S. Congress. We don't even have the political will to adjust/index the 1993 Federal fuel tax for inflation.
I wonder if guests agrees with the recent report from McKenzie that says 18% of Norway EV buyers want to switch back to gas vehicles. For US, their survey claimed 46% want to switch back. This is awful. My suspicion is most of these buyers don’t have home charging.
So, the real answer is the only reason people buy them is that they have massive insentives to manipulate them in to buying them. The sales tax thing is huge when you have a VAT of 25%. On a 40k car that's a 10k bonus. That means 50k BEV is not competing with a 50k ICE, but the ICE needs to be 40k instead. EVs just don't sell in places that don't manipulate people in to buying them.
I think the true cost of driving, whether fossil fuel or electric, should be part of the Monroney label (window sticker), and should factor in externalities like health impacts, fossil fuel subsidies, military cost to shore up/invade oil producing countries, etc. If externalities were factored in, fossil fuel vehicles would be more costly than electric and no incentives would be necessary to drive the transition to electric.
@@markwilliams4671 How much are the lives of the child miners worth to you then?
@@Snerdles I’m glad to hear that you’re also concerned about child labor in artisanal cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. There’s good and bad news on that issue. The good news is that battery manufacturers are quickly changing battery chemistry to reduce or eliminate entirely the amount of cobalt used. Most electric cars now have lithium iron phosphate batteries that contain no cobalt. The bad news is that vast quantities of cobalt are still used by refineries in the production of petroleum products and that usage isn’t decreasing nearly fast enough.
There is also reduced weight tax and the grams of C02 per kilometer tax is also lower.
the oil companies along with Japanese auto companies are the ones providing the negative news about EV's . As a EV fan and on my second ev 1st was a BMWI3 and now a Tesla model 3 iam never going back to a gas powered car..and I vote..
in another 10 years, how will Norway Gas stations justify carrying fuel with 1/10th the fleet on the road.
It seems like most will convert to EV charging, and the remainder will service the dwindling number of ICE cars. Seems like a death spiral.
VAT and sales tax are not even close.
In this case it is the same. Sales tax is on the end product. VAT is added at all steps, but because we import cars in Norway its only the final sale that is taxed.
Is VAT near 25%, while our sales tax is 5-10%.
@@johnpoldo8817 with a vat tax throughout the supply chain. Why it's next to impossible to manufacturing anything that is not simple.
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Fossil cars need block heaters is cold climates.
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As of 2024, China is the country with the most electric cars in the world - and by a long shot. In 2021, there were 417 million registered vehicles in China, 319 million of which were passenger cars. Of that, 13.1 million were “new energy vehicles” - those with electric, hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell powertrains.31 Jan 2024
China is also doing very well
Tax and government
AKA, -- AKA, --- AKA. Gets old. William is going me today. Simple, to the point. OTHER THAN THAT. Podcast is interesting. Thanks.
Does Norway buy Chinese car?
Yes, to some degree. For example, the MG4 was the third most sold car in Norway in June after Model Y and Model 3.
Most of Tesla model 3 are from china factory. 100% tesla battery is from china with china technology.
My friend just came back from a trip to Norway. He saw Polestar there.
Thank you Elon for making a good car. As for everyone else, just watch the bad EV's to begin entering production. First example, Cadillac Optique
Geely’s 1 Million mile LFP Short Blade Battery is the safest battery in the world
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People in the UK buy Chinese Tesla's
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Francie, you are just an excellent interviewer, and know the EXACT questions to ask - ones that your knowledgable audience would enjoy hearing about. William’s direct knowledge of EVs, and his language skills (!) are impressive, to say the least. Even though Norway is a small population (e.g., Oslo - about 1M, Bergen - about 300k), IT ILLUSTRATES what is possible for the U.S. Once more people realize that EVs are the future - we really need to stop burning stuff - then the rate of adoption will take off quicker than a Model 3 Rocket! Happy Days. 👊👍🏿🫶🏿