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- It's been quite a while since Halloween Kills was thrust upon us. With a pandemic delay, uncertain marketing, and the most divisive plot of the bunch, does evil truly die tonight? Let's take a dark look back. #HalloweenKills #Revisited
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It’s easily one of the top three best sequels in the series, if not the slasher genre as a whole. I’ve grown up on horror movies, especially slashers and this feels like a love letter to the genre
well said
Completely agree.
Lol
this movie made me understand Michael like i never have before, whether he’s human or not. to me he’s like The Thing. he adapts to survive, you can hurt it as much as you like but you can’t kill it
I really like Halloween Kills, it was never boring, and action packed. I loved the flashback scenes. I only hope that Halloween ends finishes with more atmosphere and suspense. Then this trilogy will be perfect.
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You nailed it. I enjoyed Kills, but prefer 2018 a bit more due to the suspense - that sequence where Laurie is going room to room looking for Michael - unbelievable! The whole theater was on the edge of its seat. Kills didn't have such tension (maybe briefly when Michael stalked Lindsey). Hoping that Ends will be a great conclusion to the story.
They should have killed Allyson though. She contributes nothing and is, frankly, more of a villain than Michael Myers is.
Idk what I want from Ends, but maybe one of those Bloodrayne/Midsommar/The Witch type of endings where the woman does something effed up to come out on top, and then the realization of the power she has sinks in and she laughs with triumph and relief. (Well Rayne didn't laugh but she took a moment to take in her accomplishment .)
Halloween II, VI, and H20 are all better. Anthony Michael Hall and the complete lack of suspense ruined it Halloween XII.
H18 is a better quality film overall while Kills is a better and more entertaining Halloween film (visually, tonally, and has a better score imo) . Luckily for me, I love both films. Thank you for always defending Kills
When it comes to comparing scores of ‘18 and Kills, though - nothing has touched The Shape Hunts Allyson thus far in this trilogy
@@balladofthebroken7569 Michael Kills Again is easily better for me, the bathroom kill is flawless - the firefighter scene and old couple death scenes come dangerously close
Lee I don't know why people are hating on this movie but in my opinion this is the best in the series.I love James Jude Courtney he's insanely brutal lol!!
I agree. The original is my favourite movie of all time, but this is by far my favourite sequel.
I have it second to last, just above Resurrection.
@@ReviewsRankingswithRobbySobel bro…below 5 and RZ2 lol
@@WA-cl4kn RZ’s H2 is actually in my #2 spot lol I love it and legit think it’s a masterpiece.
@@ReviewsRankingswithRobbySobel I agree, although I have to insert THEATRICAL CUT of RZ H2, not the DC. I think if someone had the patience and a lot of time they could make a really solid fan edit that spliced H'18 and HK together with an entirely new edit, and it might not suck. It would still be silly, but there is some good stuff in the Blumhouse films if you cut out half the cringe imo
I think they showed what Michael and Tivoli looked like on the news in the bar.
I agree with all your points on this video. I love this movie.
However, when Hawkins says “he’s a 6 year old
Boy with the strength of a man” Isn’t he just saying that Michael’s mentality hasn’t shifted from age 6.
Basically, He’s still a 6 year old child, he’s been the same since that night in 1963. Except now, he’s a man who has the strength to cause some damage.
I don’t think he was saying that at age 6, Michael was as physically strong as a man.
That’s what I took away from it too
I agree
This trilogy so far is all about trauma. H18 shows us how the trauma of an event can be passed down from generation to generation. Kills shows us how the trauma impacts the community, and the obsession it can create in the survivors. The survivors group (Tommy, Lindsey, Lonnie, and Marion) all felt at various points that they had to be the ones to personally end Michael. Tommy explicitly tells us this, while with Lonnie it is demonstrated by his decision to go into the house alone. Even Laurie and Officer Hawkins thought that they were the ones destined to end it. Laurie says in the end, this obsession is what gives Michael his strength. I can't wait to see if Ends carries on this through line. I have no clue which direction they will take this next!!
Great analysis
indeed, fear and trauma are the major stressors.
Tommy was scared shitless, no matter how uch he tried to hide it. Plus we have the unresolved coverup of Hawkins partner's death. Guilt, Haddonfield's dirty secret gotta come out. So much fallout.
the Mullanys will be back, probably Marion's husband. They planyed alot of seeds inbetween the carnage. I cant wait!
That's why I likey you Lee cuz you go against the grain and you also put up a good debate! LOL You're definitely like a friend in my head.👊🏾 I'm on the fence about kills! I think kills could have been a good movie with the exception of a few changes! My issues are;
1-Cringey dialogue,
2-Too many Legacy characters with no direction
3-One-Too-Many subplots that distracts from the main story!
4-Too many contradictions!
I can go on and on but I'll stop there! Once I get past all those issues I can certainly watch the movie and enjoy it for what it is. But I love the fact that YOU love this movie because it gives a different perspective! And I can definitely appreciate that! 🙏🏾😉👊🏾🎃🔪
Only trauma it caused was on the audience. The movie is that bad.
@@icebergthegamer speak for yourself please 👍
In ‘Halloween Kills’, Michael Myers in his early 60s brutally killed almost 30 people between 13 and 76 years of age regardless of gender, skin color and sexual orientation.
Glad we feel the same, Lee. Absolute favorite scene in the movie- other than the flashback in the beginning- is Myers vs Allison/Cameron. After that, Karen takes his mask (whatever), he follows through the backyards of the houses and that music kicks in. So dope.
He walks so fast. That had me on the edge haha
The hospital stuff is the only thing i dont like about kills but i LOVE everything else it is the shape in his absolute prime
I really enjoyed Kills. Didn’t add much, it was just a fun, harmless sequel. At least it didn’t spit in the fan’s faces like several other past sequels or drag Michael through the mud.
You would think that it did spit in the face of fans going by some of their reactions to it haha
@@terrorcon6462 I wonder if Kills haters have even seen Halloween 5,6, or Resurrection lol
@@mtb5431 Just because H5, H6 & Resurrection are bad doesn’t mean Kills isn’t
@@PinocchioDread It’s not even close to being as bad as those 3 though
@@PinocchioDreadKills actually added great story to the franchise with the flashbacks, had amazing cinematography, the best Michael and the best kills, and great humor. Kills was 100x better than any of those 3 and is an extremely fun sequel
The score alone has helped this movie in my eyes. It's still not a perfect film for me by any means, but it's growing on me. Okay I admit it! 🤣
That score is so damn amazing Beth.
It's easily in my top 4 of the series, along with H78, H2 81 and H4.
Michael is unleashed and isn't duped by JLC or any of the other fodder like usual, it was a breath of fresh air to be honest.
And his mask resembled the original far more than 2018 as well.
Big thumbs up in all 👍
Okay. You completely nailed everything about why I love this one so much. I came out of the theater high off the fumes and I had a feeling some of the luster might vanish after a few months (much like “Halloween 2018” did). It had the opposite effect. I love it more now and it stands alone as my personal favorite from last year and also my second favorite in the franchise. I loved the risks taken by Green and McBride. The pacing, I feel, is flawless and I love what was done with the characters. Yeah, I wanted a little more from Tommy, but that’s why I ordered the book as a companion piece. I guess part of the divisiveness comes from the fact that the Myers legacy is so massive at this point, there’s simply no way for a new installment to please everyone. Oh well. I’m glad some of us enjoy it for what it is.
Thank you William!
You are so spot on on everything I’ve concluded on this one. Great work, dude! Love watching everyone of your videos, man!
Thanks my man!
Agree Lee, I also still really enjoy Halloween Kills. I can see the negative arguments, but like you said, there's a counter argument for all those.
Michael is supernatural. Getting shot all those times and living, he is no man.
Maaaan whoever said the flashback sequence looked cheep is out of their damned minds! That flashback was EXCELLENT, and captured the look and tone of the '78 original, and honestly I think elevated it.
Agreed. You can’t make this shit up.
I think the brutality and the kills on screen is what saves this movie at all for me, and might be the reason you're into as much as you are lol This Michael brings back something we seen in Curse that we had been waiting for. But as I've always said lol the sibling storyline is just so important to me
I really liked 2018 and I loved this movie. I don't watch Halloween movies for the riveting dialog, lol. Did they chant "evil dies tonight" too many times, sure, but that's a few seconds in this 2 hour film. Michael is so great in this one, I can watch it over and over!
Exactly, I really don’t understand what people want from their Halloween films. These sequels have really shown the most respect to the fans and the character of Michael Myers. They get the mask right, they get Michael right, the plot isn’t wacky (like cult shit and a tv series in Michaels house) and is acceptable, it’s entertaining. Like what more do you want? Lol
Thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Some of the hospital scenes were a little weak but overall I didn’t see what the negative reviews were all about. Michael Myers was absolutely brutal and that’s what I wanted. Actually waiting on 1/4 scale Neca Michael Myers arriving tomorrow. Great review Lee. 👍
This is the Only horror movie I wanted to watch Again the second it ended!! Absolutely Loved it!!! Yeah there were a few things I didn't care for ( the mob) but loved the pace, loved the violence and the characters were good ( loved big & little John). Just found your channel, Good stuff bro👍
Exactly! People are way overthinking Kills. It's so easily rewatchable.
When I first saw it in theaters I wasn't in love with it. I've now watched it about 6 or 7 times, and I like it more and more each time.
That's how I felt about Halloween 2018 but I liked it more and more after watching it a few times. I loved Halloween Kills automatically.
Great Video 👍 👍😀 I Like Both Halloween 18 and Kills .
One of my favorite things about being a horror fan is hearing different opinions of things. Even if I don't agree, it's fun to take in another's point of view. Having said that, it is SO SWEET sometimes to have the same feelings on a flick. (or whatever) I dug this movie from the hop. I swear like 3 and a half minutes in, I saw they were going supernatural and started getting hyped for it...I actually thought that was going to be the divide, (I'd already heard the movie split audiences) and I'm still surprised that half the people still don't see or won't acknowledge the supernatural angle they're clearly going for here. I expect we'll get a very interesting reveal about this version of Myers for Halloween Ends. I'm excited to see what their exact plan is!
Very true.
They're not going for a supernatural angle. David Gordon Green has confirmed that already. They went through the trouble of having Michael escape the fire in a very HUMAN way for that very reason. He doesn't teleport, or he would have just done that instead of hide in the gun rack. For that matter he could just Teleport out of the Asylum. Also, a woman lifted a car off her dad due to adrenaline and saved his life, lifting a human with a Halligan bar is alot lighter than that. Far as the damage he survives, plenty humans have survived worse. Look up Alyson Botha for example: she was stabbed 30 times, beaten, throat slit, disemboweled and left for dead. She regained consciousness and made it to the road for help. Today she is a famous author.
There's a soldier who recently survived being hit by a grenade then shot 27 times.
A guy here in Philly was shot 20 times and walked himself 2 miles to the hospital. Still alive today.
That aside, the horse's mouth states, " The suggestion that he is more than a man is a theory that Laurie has,” the director explained. “My own personal concept for Michael, which will carry forward as long as I’m involved, is that he’s capable of spectacular things but not impossible [things]. So I don’t personally see him as supernatural, but I see the element of fear that he’s generated and exacerbated is transcending the immediate character and moved on to an entire community.”
It appears that Michael Myers isn’t immortal or supernatural. He’s simply perceived that way by the townspeople due to his incredible resilience....
Remember folks, the characters in the film are all guessing just like we the audience members are.
Michael hasn't talked to anyone so nobody including Loomis, Laurie, Hawkins,etc. Know what's going on.
I hope you guys don't get your hopes up, expecting them to go down a path they keep saying they have no interest in going.
@@millyoneyedeaz1350 and that right there is why I hate this movie. "Human" and "plausible" explanations of unrealistic things that could never happen in real life being defended because it's "better than those wiccan sequels", even though it makes no sense for a senior citizen to even be able to do. It's not an insult to fans, it's a spiteful punch in the nose to the intelligence of an audience the filmmakers despise.
@@beavis8073 "and that right there is why I hate this movie.
(which is what? im sorry you;re being terribly inarticulate and vague. So far i can say that your criticisms about the movie are indeed hypocritical)
"Human" and "plausible" explanations of unrealistic things that could never happen in real life being defended because it's "better than those wiccan sequels",
(i dont know what youre referring to.
Again, these same elements exist in the original film. you cannot complain about them existing in this trilogy without contradicting yourself, is that not clear to you?)
even though it makes no sense for a senior citizen to even be able to do.
(you're trying to have it both ways,
You're complaining there's a lack of realism, while insisting it should lack realism.
the hell is wrong with you? lol)
It's not an insult to fans, it's a spiteful punch in the nose to the intelligence of an audience the filmmakers despise.
(so, you;re putting your owrds in the filmmaker's mouths, and ranting about a bunch of nonsense and you call that intelligence?
how intelligent are you as an audience member for example to watch a film and not realise the characters dont know what YOU know? thats for starters.
But hey, i cant expect much from you consdiering everything you said abiut this trilogy, cancels out your ability to accept any other films in the franchise, including the original.
Trust me, youlre not that intelligent, you made that ABUNDANTLY clear
@@DrumdumsOfficial I absolutely love Kills. It's a dream come true seeing Michael at his full potential going all out.
I don’t think Hawkins meant that at age 6 he had the strength of a man. I think he was saying Myers has the mentality of a 6 year old.
I agree. He was saying that Michael now still had the mind of a 6 year old but with the strength of a man.
Watching you review a Halloween movie is weirdly nostalgic for me. I found your channel in the summer of 2018 when all anyone could think about was Halloween. Good times
Thank you Derek!
Myers is good, the mask looks good, brutal kills and the movie is refreshingly competent. Other than some gratuitous nudity what more can you really ask for this deep in a franchise?
How much I like a Halloween movie is usually decided by Michael himself. How good is the mask and how good is the actor portraying him. For me this is the best Michael we have gotten on screen. Which is why, for me,, this is the best movie we have gotten since the original.
Completely agree Shane. You make Michael right, a great start.
I thought the second patient and this story was an absolutely essential part of the plot, as it is representative of the worst compulsions when people are, justifiably, angry and trying to address evil.
I love this movie, it has its problems but as a huge Halloween fan, this film ticked all the boxes and treats Michael as a force of nature and not an excuse to throw comedy in like 2018
Yes sir. This was Michael's movie for sure in terms of badassery. Hope you're doing well Jack.
You love talking Halloween Kills! You know what, I cheer you for that. I saw Halloween Kills initially and felt it was whatever, but upon second viewing I loved it. One of the best. I am with you on this viewpoint.
It’s a fun movie to debate.
@@DrumdumsOfficial I want to catch it again. It was on PEACOCK months ago, but it is sort of remote now and I don't want to buy the Blu-Ray or DVD. Hopefully it comes to streaming. Halloween 2018 is also somehow hard to find.
I agree 110% it mad Michael the bad guy again because the character development is so much better. I thought the kills were brutal and well done, the mob mentality to me was so realistic and on point, the Strode women were fantastic and powerful, the flashback was so well done anyone who says it wasnt probably loved netflix texas chainsaw, and the third act was thrilling!!
I love everything about Kills to me it is the most halloween movie out of all them. The ending was amazing the best cliffhanger out of the series because it sets rhe tone for where its going in ENDS nobody is safe from michaek he has transcended into a level of becoming unstoppable thats terrifiying to me thats what makes michael scary everyones fear feeds him and attacking him makes him stronger its like well holy shit how do we stop him lol. But killing off karen was sad indeed but it makes sense to where the series is going almost every main character and OG characters were killed off all bets are off in ENDS makes me believe we will get a higher body count in the last chapter including laurie and hawkins as well as lindsay i think they all will die. Kills is incredible i think people will grow to love Kills even more when the final chapter comes out itll help make more sense of everything tieing up the whole story.
Lmao this comment didn't Age very well.
@@jasonmyers8278 John Carpenter said it's his favorite sequel believe it or not
I've got some issues with this film but I've pretty much been with you on it since day one: Not without its problems, but a very enjoyable dark thrill ride.
I love Halloween Kills, so much fun xxxx
I don't think Hawkins was saying that Michael had the strength of a grown man when he was six. I think he meant that the grown Michael had the mentality of a six year old. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my take on that line of dialogue.
True.
I love this movie. Instead of thinking of that DGGreen had an agenda or messages, let's just chalk it up to, nobody is safe. Old love, young love, gay love, interracial love, children, first responders, legacy characters, mobs, and basically innocent's.... everyone is game.
Its my favorite sequel, great Myers, great mask, great score, great kills, love the Story haddonfield vs the boogeyman, the missinformation, the fear, laurie isnt the main Character, love it
Same
Loved both movies!
Halloween kills was so good from best brutal kills scenes
Hell yeah!
I feel like people who don’t like messages in movies do not have a true understanding of the horror genre. George A. Romero made an entire franchise of zombie films which were “messages.”
Love these videos, love this community, super stoked for Halloween ends.
Me too Joe!
Love this movie - 8 viewings myself. Probably my 3rd favorite after the original 1st 2 films. The flashbacks blew my mind, and the savagery of the kills was shocking. The mob scene could’ve probably been condensed a bit, but it doesn’t take away from the rest of the great things in this movie.
By the way Lee I just watched my 4K copy of Halloween 5 and found it better than I remember. The cops, the crazy different Myers house, and especially Tina are still very annoying but overall it was an enjoyable watch.
Thanks for reminding me why you are so awesome. Even though you still haven’t reviewed Hatchet yet…Drumdums Forever!
I could probably watch it once a week.
Bruh, I loved the movie.
I agree with you on most points. For me the movie gets to much hate for its "stupid" characters and their decisions. We live in a stupid world with stupid people and idiotic chants like "Evil dies tonight". Actually really liked the mob mentality subplot and dont get the hate for it.
Really loved Karen and Lonnie, really enjoyed Camerons redemption and the way they portrayed Tommy. He might not be the Tommy Doyle we wanted to see, but he's the Tommy this movie needed. Karen's demise hit me. Myers himself is great, JJC might be the best Myers ever.
I disagree with that Hawkins quote you showed. Think he meant to say that Myers is (still) a 6 year old child in the body of a grown man and the mindset of a predator.
The only gripe I might have with the movie might be that the dialogues feel a bit too pretentious and they're going a bit too Jason-esque for me with the character of Myers.
I've heard people talk about how stupid it was for the fireman to aim the hose at Michael those fire hoses have enough pressure to knock a grown man on his back
Grown “man”. We’re talking about a killing machine.
@@DrumdumsOfficial exactly Michael is not a natural human being and those firefighters did not know it
@@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470 The Shape or normal human Michael is still a 185 pound guy give or take, and a hose is going to knock him back about 10 feet. And you could tell the water pressure was dialed way back for the scene. It's all physics, even if it wouldn't really work for the movie. Could Busta Rhymes, aka Freddie kick Michael out a window if Michael was standing with his feet squared up? yeah, probably. Should we ever see that in a Halloween movie? Hell no.
@@capitalcitygoofball1987 ah James Jude Courtney is not 185 pounds! Try about 220!! And what’s with fans wanting Michael to lose? Why didn’t they blow his head off, why didn’t they cut up the body? Why doesn’t John Wick get shot? How does Rocky take such a beating? Why didn’t the Terminator kill Sara Connor? Bitching just to bitch this happens in all kinds of movies!!!
Fan divide is a good thing. If everyone liked the same movies, there would be no reason for filmmakers to do anything different. That would be so boring.
I love Halloween kills.🔥 here’s my ranking of the Halloween franchise from worst to best.
12: Halloween resurrection
11: rob zombies Halloween 2
10: Halloween 5
9: Halloween 3
8: Halloween the curse of Michael Myers
7: rob zombies Halloween
6: Halloween 2 1981
5: Halloween H20
4: Halloween 2018
3: Halloween kills
2: Halloween 4
1: Halloween 1978
I loved Halloween Kills, and your defense of this movie was absolutely refreshing.
Great job.
Great video.
Great shirt.
Great puppy.
Thank you!
Love the extended version so much better
I love that flashback scene
Halloween kills I did enjoy
Vid just popped up on my feed, definitely gonna check out when I get home today
I agree Halloween kills was one of the better films in the series
You are correct. Michael Myers is supernatural. He is not a normal human being. He’s been supernatural since the original Carpenter film. Anyone who even attempts to argue otherwise is foolish. They obviously have no knowledge of the character or the franchise.
I love Halloween kills as much as you do, I love it even more every time I watch it, thanks for the video I feel the same way you do.
Preach brother!
My opinion has remained the same after seeing Halloween Kills which is Halloween Kills is an excellent slasher movie since it is a slasher movie on steroids, and the best Halloween sequel mainly because Michael Myers won so it’s not a dime a dozen Horror movie that is the Villain is defeated in the climax, a consistent dark tone, Michael Myers killing characters in creative violent ways was shown on screen, and conclusive evidence that Michael Myers is supernatural.
Great review, Lee! I’ve rewatched this movie a few times and I do understand some of the problems people have with it I just don’t understand why it became such a huge problem big enough to divide fans. I was disappointed in Tommy in this movie I didn’t expect him to be Superman or anything but I mean I did expect him to be better than he was, even with the mob message the film was trying to send.
Overall I still love this movie never a dull moment and I’m incredibly pumped for Ends.
I hope you’re feeling better! 💓
You know Erica, the more I watch it the more I enjoy watching Tommy make all the wrong decisions. I think at a point, he realizes it, but he’s in too deep. I’m constantly amused by him in this.
YEESSSSSS! Me too! (Your opening comment 2 minutes in) Agreed. So glad you feel the way I do about this one
There wasn’t enough of Michael in the shadows and building to kills. It was just kill kill kill with no tension at break neck pace. I still like it. Just think 2018 had a finer balance.
Hence the name Halloween Kills....
The scene in the woods had some nice stalking, but I do slightly agree.
@@CPSlayer People complain about the curse in Curse of Michael Myers, I've never seen people say "well it is called that" as a defence (and I love H6 I'm just saying).
@@dommoore6180 it's not a defense the movie literally let's u know that it's gonna be carnage and a experimental film before going in.it....it's Michael fucking shit up
@@CPSlayer yeah and curse told everyone that there’d be a curse of Michael Myers yet here we still are.
Also calling a slasher “kills” is meaningless. Any slasher of any style could have that name but in any case I was only making a superficial point.
my guy🙌🏻 for all its faults it also gave us some all-time great moments! Michael’s attack at the park is my favourite sequence in the entire franchise. i do think people are overly harsh to this film, it’s a world to get lost in, to be entertained. sure it has clunky dialogue but it’s worth it to see Myers take out the firefighters
So much agreed Lloyd!
Honestly my favorite aspect of HK other than Myers/the kills/the soundtrack, were Big John and Little John. Even the way the movie introduces BJ with him just smoking and dancing to a Halloween song in his robe made me laugh so hard. Also BJ's actor, Scott MacArthur, was in Danny McBride & DGG's 'Righteous Gemstones' before HK came out and he was great as the main villain in season 1. Im guessing that is how he got the part for HK.
But other than those reasons, HK just doesnt do it for me, it's the dialogue that turns me off mostly. I would say HK ranks above H20, RZH2, and HR on my Halloween list. Great video as always!
I absolutely loved Halloween Kills. Once again, a very nice review videos! I absolutely love your review videos. Yeah, personally I thought this movie was much better than the Halloween 2018 film. I loved the story on this and the way Michael is so scary and vicious. I didn't have any problem with the dialogue, the hospital, or anything. I absolutely love it. I loved seeing some of the old actors back again too especially Lindsey. It was awesome. I love most all of the Halloween films, besides the Rob Zombie Halloween films or Resurrection. I love the flashbacks in those film too. I don't get why anyone doesn't like this film. This is one of my favorite sequels since part 2 or H20. Some of my favorite sequels were Part 2, part 4 and 5, as well as The Curse Of Michael Myers, H20 and Halloween 2018. But anyways, Halloween Kills is up there with the beat of them to me and better than Halloween 2018.
Thank you!!!
Holy shit !!! You’ve done it ! Not sure if you were planning this as a solo surprise or if you mentioned it in lives or paetron but wow !
I’ve sort of been planning it, but I am extremely impulsive with my videos. If they are hard on my mind, I go record.
Love how you put that Carpenter score during the universal logo for your into to this
Thanks for watching!
I can’t get enough of this damn movie.
Me too!
You know what the strange thing is? I somehow didn't hear about H18 until he came out on Blu-ray. But still, I bought it and went in blind, watching it without knowing anything about it. I loved what it set up and Kills really felt like the middle of a longer movie. Just like a trilogy is supposed to. -- Looking at you, Star Wars sequel trilogy. -- So I didn't *love* Kills, but I definitely didn't dislike it in the slightest. Sure, I wanted to yell at Tommy for some of the decisions that he made, but I understood them and my heart broke when he died. Then the last minute kill of Karen? Chef's kiss. Completely unexpected and even more powerful.
You shared the same arguments I give people who hate on this movie. You can tell that they are major fans of the original and pay a lot of respect to it. Kills is my second favorite of the series just behind the 1978 original. I absolutely love it. I can't wait for Ends. I can't believe I'm able to say it but James Jude Courtney is my favorite Myers now. He took everything that made Nick Castle's Myers and amped it up, adding his own little nuances to it. Kills made Myers scary to me again. There were some scenes in Kills where I was on edge in the theatre during a few scenes because Myers was actually scary to me again. Nice video Lee. ✌
Yep. People just like to make up arguments that can easily be explained. I can easily defend any complaint against Kills.
Any person that seriously says Halloween Kills is worse than Halloween Resurrection is extremely wrong because Halloween Kills is a terrific Halloween sequel that shows Michael Myers is a relentless supernatural Villain that can’t be defeated, and a terrifying Horror Villain that can be taken seriously because of he kills a high amount of characters in creative ways without any struggle, and because the Mob was unable to defeat
Michael Myers since he was able attack the mob after standing up.
Halloween Kills has a consistent dark tone, entertaining scary scenes, multiple likable good characters, etc.
Halloween Resurrection has an unbelievable inane explanation for why Michael Myers didn’t die in Halloween H20 and why a Paramedic was killed by Laurie.
Michael Myers can’t be taken seriously including because he walks away after being yelled at by Freddie instead of killing that insufferable main good character, also he is defeated by Freddie in the climax.
Freddie quickly recovered after being stabbed by Michael Myers because of awful writing.
Freddie is not a badass hero, and he has a very dumb laughable not badass 1 liner.
Most of the main good characters are shown to be unlikable characters so you’ll be happy to see Michael Myers violently kill them.
Solid revisted episode Lee. I think Kills will begin to look better in hindsight when the trilogy is complete. It is looking like Ends will be a much more "tame" movie so I like that we have this wildcard thrown in the series. I still have issues with the back and forth nature of the film and wish certain scenes could have been nurtured more- like Laurie and Tommy meeting again. Still, it is a fun movie and makes me excited to see how DGG raps it up.
I was listening to one of your reviews recently while getting ready in the morning, and my wife heard some of it and commented on how positive you were about the movie. I said something like, “Yeah, Lee tends to be annoyingly positive about movies.” Haha Don’t take that personally. You are my favorite horror TH-cam reviewer. Besides, I’d rather you be positive about a movie I dislike than negative about a movie I love.
With that said, I firmly believe you’ll someday realize what a steaming pile of crap this movie is, though it may take 20 years. People keep saying this movie is brutal, but I just don’t see it. Not one kill felt visceral to me, and too many of the death scenes felt unimaginative. I was bored while watching a lot of it because it lacked tension and imagination. I just don’t see what you see. I would rather watch Busta’s Halloween 50 times before ever watching this one again.
I did like the sequence that was set in 1978, at least some of it, as well as the scene with Lindsey hiding, and the gay couple. But that wasn’t enough to make up for a really bad movie.
But hey, I’m in the minority here, and I’m okay with that. I don’t mind people having positive opinions about the movie, and I hope they don’t mind me having a negative opinion.
I understand not liking the movie and totally respect that for the issues it has, but how can you think it’s not brutal? It has the highest body count in the series, the firefighter scene is crazy and ends with a buzz saw to the face spraying blood everywhere, the old couple kill is dark and really drags on with the knives, the car scene has the eye stab, the gay couple armpit stab and eye gouging, Cameron’s kill, and the mob killing is a blood fest. Idk man would really like to know why you think that.
@@WA-cl4kn It has a lot to do with the film’s tone. I don’t vibe with the tone, so things don’t play to me the same way. The firefighter scene plays like a Three Stooges skit. It’s funny, not brutal. Like the way it undercuts the scene’s tension when it briefly cuts to the inside of the helmet. It’s being humorous by referencing a first-person shooter game. And the spraying blood isn’t treated as horrific but funny. It’s excessiveness prompts a smile rather than disgust.
Then there are the foley effects. Every time someone is hit, stabbed, or whatever, the sound effect sounds like someone punching a saturated sponge. It’s way over the top and not realistic, so it takes me out of the movie. This is the same with Cameron’s death. That scene is funny because it’s trying so hard to be brutal. It’s way too much. Less would have been more. By being so big, it becomes funny. Only I’m not laughing because I want it to be brutal.
When Michael is repeatedly stabbing the guy in the kitchen (I guess to find the best knife?), the scene is played for laughs. People in my theater chuckled when he kept stabbing the guy. So what could have been brutal was undercut with humor.
In my opinion, there is a point at which each additional kill starts negatively affecting a slasher. In my opinion, the optimal number of deaths in a slasher is 10, and every kill past 18 decreases the effectiveness of a serious slasher. I base this off my own research. When a slasher goes over 17 kills, the kills start to mean less.
Another issue I have is that a number of the kills don’t seem natural to me. It’s hard to describe it, but the physical motion of the actors at the moment of the kill doesn’t seem natural. I’m assuming it’s because it’s CGI, but whatever it is, I sense something isn’t right with the scene, so the brutality doesn’t play to me.
I was taken out of the mob scene by Judy Greer’s dialogue immediately preceding it. While she was talking, I actually said out loud in the theater: “God this is awful.” So at that point, the best kill in the world wasn’t going to play to me in the intended way.
I am a long-time slasher fan. I love all slashers, even this one to a degree. I don’t care if they’re good. I love the formula, and that’s what I see the film for. I like seeing how each film plays with the formula. When I’m criticizing this film, I’m not speaking as someone who loves slashers. I’m speaking from a more critical viewer.
For me, HALLOWEEN is different from other slashers. It represents the epitome of what a slasher can be. A lot of that came from the film’s use of tension. John Carpenter understood tension. After two films, I am not convinced David Gordon Green understands how to create tension in the slightest. And that more than anything disappoints me. I expect more from a HALLOWEEN film.
In fact, this would be a great FRIDAY THE 13TH film. That film series plays with humor in the same way this film does. The Michael we see in this film is more Jason Vorhees than Michael Myers. And I don’t understand why people don’t see that.
This is not a HALLOWEEN film to me. It doesn’t have the right tone. It undercuts tension with humor, and that’s just not HALLOWEEN’s M.O. (okay, with the exception of Lynda’s death).
Hope that clarifies things. I get that I’m the outlier here. I wish it played to me correctly, but it doesn’t. Thanks for asking me to explain myself.
Good job Lee! Still hoping for a Hallowstream soon! Lots of things to discuss
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I loved it when I first saw it and I love it now. It's different but I think it worked so darn well. Great review, mate :)
I think the biggest issue with the hospital scene is in the way the characters move on from having killed an innocent person without showing any remorse and just getting past it like it never really happened. Having the characters not learn and actually grow from their mistakes makes the inclusion feel a bit pointless when they just go on to trying to have a plan that doesn’t end up paying off for them
They didn't move on without showing remorse. The exact opposite happened. It didn't need to be drawn out. They stopped chanting and became froze in horror afterwards. Tommy was an avatar for the mob, he personified their anger, confusion, fear and guilt
"Now he's turning us into monsters"
And it's definitely handled better than Ben Tramer and Ted Hollister deaths (both caused by Loomis who suffered no consequences for it either)
People keep forgetting the story isn't over. It's like getting upset at the second verse of a three verse song, saying it's bad music because it's incomplete when that's how it's supposed to be, knowing there's another verse coming to close out the record.
Then we got people who don't seem to understand how suspense and horror movies work, so they're mad at the characters for behaving like they are supposed to
I don’t like this movie, which hurt me a lot. H18 never left my heart, as I’ve loved it the same ever since it came out. I found Kills to be horribly paced, badly written, and completely incompetent. It was bloody, and that was about it for me. I’m still super glad you like this one.
Completely agree. So many of the things that were done so well in 2018 were abandoned in Kills and it feels like it was made by a completely different team. I am optimistic that Ends will be closer to the kind of movie 2018 was.
See I cooled off a lot on 2018 but I’m still in love with Kills I guess it’s just the feeling it gave me like one of the late 80s sequels but with the violence turned all the way up and I love 4,5 and 6.
Oh yeah he was definitely a killing machine in this one, making up for that lost continuities. He doesn't have the body count in this telling of the story except until this movie came out.
I love the flashback Lee. I love that Loomis went in for the headshot and the police allowed it! Great movie!
Hell yeah!!
JJC is the best version of Myers in KIlls
Brutal AF!
My guess one of the “twists” in Halloween Ends is gonna be Lorie and Michael actually are brother and sister. But also, when that one lady said “evil dies to night” her delivery was soo goofy and funny, she looked like a MADTV character. Lol just watch it again. The part in the hospital
I STRONGLY enjoyed and agreed with this! 🎃
The “Halloween” Franchise
Ranked From Best To Worst:
1. Halloween (1978)
2. Halloween II (1981)
3. Halloween 4 (1988)
4. Halloween (2018)
5. Halloween: Kills (2021)
6. Halloween 6 (1995) [Theatrical Cut]
7. Halloween III: Season Of The Witch (1982)
8. Halloween: H20 Twenty Years Later (1998)
9. Rob Zombie’s Halloween (2007)
10. Halloween 5 (1989)
11. Rob Zombie’s Halloween II (2009)
12. Halloween: Resurrection (2002)
If you watch Kills again look during the bar scene when the news is talking about bodies being found they mention smiths grove patients escaped they actually show michaels real face after the first guy is shown the one who kills himself at the end. They quickly fade out causing the screen to look blurry once michaels photo is shown of him wearing his smiths Grove outfit. So people got it mixed up eith who michael looked like.
Your studio background looks on point man! Love it!
Fun video and great points.
I think the biggest reason why people hate on this film is just in the overall film and direction it went.
In a nutshell they were trying to bake a cake with Kills...... however, they used ingredients for Tacos.
I don't think hardcore's and long time fans so much aren't open to new ideas, It's more, if you're going to introduce something....then own it and stick the fucking landing!
Take "Hush" as an example by Mike Flanagan.
He said himself that was his sequel to Halloween. You can see in every detail that it's a love letter to Halloween, but a completely different character and it kicked ass! And was simple!
So you can do new ideas and get the same effect, just have the balls to follow your original intent...and yes, fandom is partly at fault for Kills demise. People spoke .....so they delivered a half assed mess.
Thank you!
Just the fact that John Carpenter is involved, along with Jamie Lee Curtis, and David Gorden Greene as a competent director, I'm unconditional to this trilogy! Awesome!
I still can't believe they got Carpenter involved...for 3 movies!
I love and adore Halloween (2018) and Halloween Kills.
Hell yeah Rich!
I don't think I'll ever like this movie, but I appreciate the effort here! I'm glad people can find enjoyment in it. Get well.
This review was so good I watched it twice. I can't agree with you more I don't understand all the hate and the complaint about this movie. Some people said it's the worst movie of 2021 they must be fucking insane. The best scene of the extended cut is when Lonnie saw Michael behind the Bush with the fog I nearly fell off my chair with chill bumps....plus the score in that scene. I remember in the theater when Michael came Out of the gun cabinet in the basement and the theme started I nearly started crying happy tears i got choked up🎃 awesome stuff LEE 🔪🔥
Thanks brother!
I love it as much as you. It took the franchise of of the comfort zone, AND gave us the most evil Michael myers.
Hell yeah!
Great revisit Lee!!! Except for the inane “evil dies tonight!” chant and some of the hospital stuff (to be fair, the dialogue between Laurie & Hawkins was sweet) I still really like this movie 🎃🔪 also I just watched The Conjuring 3. It was okay. Love Vera and Patrick but the plot was kinda weak.
About Conjuring 3, I was stunned that I actually got bored?! I love the other 2.
I did have a better time with Kills my 2nd watch, but overall I like 2018 better and was looking for more of that vibe. But what you said about middle movies in a trilogy makes sense! Looking forward to Ends 🎃
PS: Levi's cameo was adorable around 12:58 is adorable 😆
Levi always steals the show Sara!
Hey man, great review, just have a couple thoughts. I also loved H Kills for the record.
First, I think the statement "he's a 6 year old boy with the strength of a man" refers to the fact that he is mentally still a 6 year old boy. Kind terrifying when you think of him as just a giant mean child.
But the biggest thing I wanna say is about the other patient. I dont think it is reasonable that anyone could think he was Myers, but I dont think its a flaw, I think it's the whole point. The mob is being stupid, people aren't being reasonable. If Tavoli(sp?) was remotely similar to Myers physically, I think it would undermine the point that this mob has stopped operating within reason.
Yeah I think I misunderstood what Hawkins meant on that one. My bad.
I enjoyed this movie way more the second time I watched it, but the hospital scene where the guy commits suicide is still cringy and really hurts the pacing. This could have one of the best openings in any Halloween film 🎃🔪
I still love Halloween Kills. My mind isn’t changing about that. I like it better than 2018 and it’s pretty much tied for 2nd. I’ve heard the issues and while I agree it isn’t perfect, it’s fun as hell to watch. Even my Dad, who introduced me to Halloween in the ‘80s loved this one.
Agreed Liana. I've had a blast with it on every watch. Thanks for tuning in!
Movie has already accomplished 75% of what other Halloween movies failed to do and that was getting Michael right so it is definitely in the top 5 Halloween movies and in recent times the evil dies tonight is very realistic
5 months later and my thoughts haven't changed either Drumdums. I still love Halloween Kills! For me, it feels like the Halloween movie that I wanted. Loved the Kills, the score, the characters, and how awesome and badass Myers was in this movie. It's my favorite Halloween sequel and I'm not afraid to admit that. For me, a damn near perfect movie!
And I thought for sure it was going to be a repeat of H2018 for me. Hell I might like it more now!
This movie did do much right. Michael was perfect, the score was great, kills were brutal. The flashback was done perfectly. My only issue is the cheesy movie dialogue that seems so unnatural.
Preach!
I didn't like Kills on first viewing, but then I watched it a second time and my opinion changed. Now I enjoy it very much. It is not by any means a perfect movie, but it does many things very well. The mood is spot on; the pacing is quick; the lighting is perfect; Michael Myers is brutal and scary; the flashback is very cool; it was great to see Lindsay back; the car scene, the escape from the burning house, and the scenes toward the end in the Myers house were really well done; and the score was great. For me, the weakest parts were the entire hospital sequence, the "evil dies tonight" chanting, and the under-use of Laurie (yes, I'm a fan of Laurie Strode). All of that said, I don't understand why some people HATE this movie so much. It was called Halloween Kills for a reason--to show the brutality of Michael Myers and how his rampage is "killing" a community. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Halloween Ends, although I am a bit concerned about the use of the radio tower as being central to the plot. We'll see.....
Best movies i’m the halloween franchise: Halloween 1978, halloween ll, halloween 2018, halloween kills!
the rest are not my thang. sorry lee 🤣
Top for me as well. I like H4 and H6 too tho. But this new trilogy is great.