'It's a shame' | Fearful Lions lack leadership | Shocking the Boks | Alan Quinlan
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- Alan Quinlan breaks down where he thinks the Lions have fallen short - and how he thinks they can unsettle South Africa tomorrow | #Lions #Rugby #LionsRugby
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What's up with this narrative that the Boks are not good at chasing games? I have been hearing this a lot lately from our ill-informed analysts from up north. In the 3 test series against England when Rassie first took over, the opening 2 games, SA came from behind to win both matches and England had over 20 point lead on both occasions if I'm not mistaken.
Against the All Blacks in the 16 all game in 2019, they came back to draw against them in NZ. There are a number of other games too that they came from behind, i.e. against France in the dying minutes at the end of year tour.
I love how they just keep talking nonsense to their own detriment.
I have started to ignore most media coverage. Makes my rugby watching experience a lot more pleasant.
Being thinking the same thing. Also, the Boks can, and do, run the ball. This is a test series which happens, for SA, once every 12 years. I remember when the Boks lost back in 1997 and it was a sad time. Test matches should be tight and hard fought. Defence, particularly at the moment, is a strength of SA so their initial focus is on defending, getting a turnover and then countering, mostly with a kick.
The All Blacks and Wallabies are brilliant at intricate backline moves which is not the case for the Boks. Although there have been some great moves in the past. I think Rassie, in his current position, is looking to nurture that. I remember when he was a player that he loved an expansive game.
I hope for a good game on Saturday.
Dont forget the epic 2017 game against nz when they also came back from a early deficit to win by 2 pts.
The Springboks are able to chase. Faf is the mastermind behind it all. Maro Atoje will tell you how Faf messed with his head.
Alan Quinlan has a skewed perspective on the 2 tests, as does Ian Foster. I think the first 2 tests were everything anyone could want in a test. Ferocious, intense, top technical skills, unrelenting defence and taking attacking opportunities when they arise. Would he assume that a free flowing Barbarians style try fest is preferable? Did the Lions kick the synthetic leather off the ball, yes? Did it help them? No. Were the Boks maniacally effective in their game management? Yes. Were the Boks creative and effective on attack? Yes.
True
This the best comment I have seen this whole week on ALL the social media posts.
So true Sir. It is test rugby and not barbarians as you rightly pointed out
My name is Alan “hedge my bets” Quinlan
In totally agree with you. I don't think they would be crying about the style of the rugby if the lions have one the first 2 tests. It's like they saying that the boks should change their game and loose for the sale of entertainment. Stupid.
From a boks supporter point of view I have enjoyed it all other than all the media bs.
What's wrong with intense, physical forward play. That's rugby, hey?
World rugby will change the rules soon, no 6-2 split allowed, unfair to countries with lack of depth.
Exactly. It's a Test not an exhibition match. Same in cricket. You can have a T20 type fun game or a 5-day trial of character. Ones a test, the others a fest.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with this type of rugby, and please explain to me why it was beneficial to SA that the match went on so long?
Here we go with the whining again 🤣😂
Playing the Boks will always be intense, physical, forward focused rugby.
Forwards win games and backs decide by how much!
The Lions have been trying to take SA on at SA's game and it worked for them for 120 minutes but when SA gets their game together like in the 2nd half of the 2nd test you're in trouble
I think the second test was fantastic, great dominance displayed by the boks. It's rugby, not strictly come dancing. The first test was ruined by really poor refereeing.
No PSDT. Faf. Duane. . Haven't played for 2 years. Covid in the camp week before. If you Lions don't win. You should be ashamed !!!!!
Here's something you might not know Alan - BOKS scored the 2nd highest number of tries during the RWC (ABs no. 1). We need some balanced analysis. Its not our fault Warren left out Bernie and Watson
The moment things don't go your way then you start questioning the quality of play. I don't remember hearing this after the first test
Alan Quinlan himself was on this very show just last week complaining about the lions being poor after the first test. Maybe your memory is the issue.
Exactly. After the first test it was all about how The Lions beat the Boks at their own game, discounting the 3 times we crossed their try-line. The Boks consistently create more try scoring opportunities but don't get much credit for it.
It's about winning... if you play ugly or boring, but always win... what matters most? They can say all they want about how we play... we in.
If I were to choose one image to epitomise the Lions' performance it would be Biggar's dive when there was a scuffle. I thought I was looking at a Euro soccer final. Doesn't belong in rugby.
So true..hes been rubbish so far
Funniest thing on a rugby field since a streaker jumped out of the stand In the Free state and tackled WP lock FC Smit to stop him scoring.
....nor does breaking the rule and playing with no regard to safety of fellow players, even if opposition....
@JS SJ Rassie’s arguments are at least cogent. I’m not sure soccer players would even understand them.
@JS SJ I couldn't face yet another refereeing debacle, but good on the boks for proving they are the best. And yes, a better rugby nation than the AB's, because over 400 South Africans play overseas.
South Africa did not tire in the second half of the first test. They just got demoralised with all the poor refereeing decisions going against them.
I mean we crossed their try line thrice. Lions only only once. I do not recognize this Lions team at all. They are not complimenting the Lion brand. I think Gatland is reaching his sell by date.
I agree. I think Gatland has been found out with repeatedly using the Lions as an extended training platform for the Welsh squad. Frankly he was past his sell by date by the 2017 tour. Its a scandal he's ruined the whole concept.
That's why he left the Welsh out is it, zammit, Williams, Adams.
@@spud7823 why are they on the tour?
@@timmo491 Gatland is to Conservative, Wales would have beaten South Africa in the world cup if he attacked more, he likes big physical wingers, Wales have always had medium sized flyers, he played George North on the wing for size, I think we may come through the third test with a win, more attacking and get Dan firing.
@UC1v_36NOqlpVtHxjtVgP8dg hang on, it's a draw so far, I hope Gregor Townshend will have more of a say on attack, trying to arm wrestle south Africa will not work, ask Eddie Jones, it will take some good rugby and Bigger being at his best, I feel the blend is better, not a lover on Aki goes to ground to easily and there is no creativity in the midfield, but it is what it is.
@JS SJ there are 2 Welsh coaches there, you got cloth ears.
Springboks game is misunderstood by the rugby community. Everyone makes statements about SA which are not supported by stats or facts. Eg. "Springboks don't score tries" ; "they can't chase the game" , "they're not creative with the ball", etc.
I detect a lot of apprehension and fear from the Lions supporters this week. They are clearly bracing for the awful hiding which is fast approaching. Rassie will be the architect of the Lions' downfall and they are to be punished for their insolence.
Found Rassies TH-cam account anyway
They are apprehensive I agree. Last week it was all cheers and positivity. The Boks are missing key players and yet our analysts aren't full of doom and gloom.
To be fair a lot of Lions fans were apprehensive when they looked at the squad, and especially when you look at the sides picked in the 2 tests very ordinary possibly the worst backline performance in lions history .
You better hope that prediction you hold is correct, of course the Lions 🦁 are just turning up to make up the numbers
How many hats can he put it's like the second coming
Two highly competitive teams, offering very little to the opposition, how do you expect a spectacle? Keep watching the scoreboard, that's the only evidence that will live forever!!!!
With that kind of justification and logic, there would be no point in bothering to discuss anything
"not a good team to chase a game" alan on the world cup winning team
I think they can. Cast your thoughts to the first 2 test matches against England in 2018. The Boks came back from quickfire starts by England to win the game
Absolute drivel from Quinlan. His bitterness and depression in defeat doesn't play well. The Boks did it twice in 2018 against England. They also came back against the AB's in 2019 drawing the match in the last minute. 2009 Lions 2nd test also. The Boks can do whatever they need to do, and will.
@@bonganimyeza7585 Exactly. These guys have no clue what they are on about.
@@bonganimyeza7585 everyone came back from quick fire starts from England during that time to be fair.
It’s only boring and a problem when the Lions lose.The Springboks are playing their natural game , the Lions are playing a poor mans version of our game.
Gatland tried and failed so far. Against a team that had virtually no game time for 2 years. The shame will be laid on this group of Lions players if they dont win the series where on paper they should against a side who last played 2019 competitively.
Enjoy Alan’s analysis - from SA
Greetings from SA, enjoyed your commentary, thanks and take care
I saw the 1974 Lions at Loftus and immensely respect every player. It is unlikely that I will be alive for the next Lions tour. Please watch Rassies video the utter dishonesty and lack of respect for my captain is the overwelming memory of this series. This Lions team are a bunch of hooligans with little skill to back that. Also a coulple of real prima donnas milking the ref for penalties. Then Woodward and Gatland? Absolutely pathological in their projection of their shortcomings on the opponents.
"Not a good team to chase a game" We were down in the first half of the second half and then we brought it back
The lions got lucky to win first test they were put in there place in 2nd test and will be the same tomorrow night 💯💯
exactly,the boks were nothing but pure rust for the first test,against players that were playing week in and week out.
Poor rugby on the eye eh...like watching Munster play..hmmm wonder what they have in common
Optics Shmoptics. The Boks are great on the eye. Mpimpi's try was beautiful to watch.
I absolutely love watching the Boks when they are so rampant.
lol yeah they are bascially dishing their own way of playing the game, the European and South African style is very similar only Sa is a bit more brutal in their execution, a good tense physical game is as good to watch as a try fest imo
@brian. Good point, yes 9 was Far too slow service, helping the SA mid field to cut out passes...
So, let me get this right... the ref manages the clock right?? The boks scored more tries than the Lions right?? The boks are the world champions right?? hang on..am i missing something here?
I dont quite agree with the notion that the boks is a bad chasing side, at least not in the Rassie era, who can ever forget that epic 2017 fightback against nz when they were down early in the game and then a year later they scored a last second try to draw the game 16 16, the boks can change their game to a more expansive style but the current formula is working for them so why change it.
Still waiting to hear about all those Lions backline tries.
Gatland might have done better with Wales than the lions BUT, the stats recently are EXTREMELY misleading of late,because Wales would get absolutely smoked in South Africa,where they tend to play a few times each century,as do the other northern hemisphere teams who play us at home 90% of the time.
Had Lions won again, you would all be yammering on about how physical and brilliant your arrogant naaiers are.
Did someone steal the only horse from your Dorp, Japie ?
@@TheLastAngryMan01 imagine belittling someone because they come from a developing country 🤡
@@TheLastAngryMan01 You are so biased, discriminative and bigoted and close minded. Stop belittling other countries on the internet. I feel sorry for your country cause they have to put up with you.
@@TheLastAngryMan01 I bet you sang its coming home about a thousand times last month
@@TheLastAngryMan01You are the one belittling another country. You are such a hypocrite. Judge other people and you do the same thing.
Always good to see Alan , gutless gatland got exactly what he deserved
HI guys, incase you missed it THE BOKS CAME BACK FROM BEHIND to win the test series against the Lions thank you have a nice day...
We SAfricans care about winning first then we bother about "style".
U guys shud worry less about "style of rugby" and concentrate more on winning.
This is what happens when u leave out creative 13's...there's a real lack of direction with the selections..I hope the win mind
Let’s face it NH team would have needed an extra man to win that 2nd test e.g. Kolbe or Faf to get their red cards. 15 on 15 Boks were stronger on the ball and defensively. Lions back 3 were horrific under the high ball and coughed up ball “over & over” - no wonder Boks confidence grew and grew. Boks were stronger in the scrum. Boks dominated more and more in the line-outs esp as game wore on. Rassie pulled a 62 min master stroke which effectively slowed the game down massively and took out any fitness advantage the Lions might have had. I’m wondering why anyone is expecting Lions to win this 3rd test? Can Lions tip the balance in the scrum or line-out?… Doubtful imho. Can they come up with a better game plan…. possibly. Can they speed up the game and can they not lose all the 50/50s….Yes. We NHers can dream on but turning it around now is a huge ask. Here’s hoping for a better spectacle and may the officials call it fairly and the better team win. Up rugby!
Kk
Wise after the event, nobody moaning after first test.
Or in the Boks case, Wiese after the fact.
@@tobyhart8515 😎😎😁
That's why the world supports the Boks, all this sour grapes and moaning
I wish Schmidt would coach the Lions
“Boks are not a good team to chase”… 1st test they get whipped after getting a substantial lead; 2nd test dish out a whipping from being down. What a load of crock, this clip - Waste of 18 minutes listening to Alan saying a lot about nothing!
I have to agree that the boks played out there game plan and did it very well however there’s no way the game should be slowed down to take that long if was ridiculous, when maku was penalised in the first couple of minutes for not rolling away, the discussion by the panel was that the rule exists so the game can be allowed to flow. What a crock, it took minutes for the penalty to be taken, there was water carriers etc on the pitch and the game had only started less than two minutes, if all rugby matches were like this I don’t know many people who could stomach it…
Sure, the incessant breaks in play have really killed sport. Just look how people have complained about VAR in football, or how american football has just faded away into nothing.
Now gatland has put the Welsh lads in we'll win the series
Bundee Aki got nailed by Japan..
I’m struggling to see how he will make this difference the Lions want against a centre pair that put Japan and England to bed..
Maybe I’m missing something..
But one thing that remains a constant in my life is that Alan Quinlan’s rhetoric and analysis has always made me bet against his prediction since the world cup when I really got annoyed with his fetish of South African muscle being steroids derived and I’m up 8 against 10 since then..
I made more money betting against his thoughts and predictions than investing in bitcoin..
So I hope he keeps up being a pundit so I can keep my betting horse churning out some much needed cash..
Every obstacle can be overcome but frankly the lions don't really know how to deal with the boks power and speed ...
Creativity is the only way but the will is not really there or confidence .
Sorry lions your busted
Prepare for a shock the boks have played their final the lions by at least 10 or more
@@dionjacolynseneviratne3193 ok my friend let's see after Saturday !!!
@@dionjacolynseneviratne3193 just because England "played their final" in the last world cup doesn't mean we operate the same way. That's such a stupid non factual way of looking at what the outcome will be.
@@prudeuncle That's true boks just managed to squeeze through Wales in the semi on a last minute penalty
@@dionjacolynseneviratne3193 Hahaha even you attempt at a diss contradicts your previous statement. So if we just squeezed past Wales then surly that would be considered "playing our final" but yet we went on to obliterate England and win our 3rd world cup. How many does Wales have again? I can't remember.
The Lions are playing Gatland ball there is the problem for you..
Why live in the what ifs lots of factors all has to go your way .they went to play rugby not to loose cheer on the lads .
SA are an underestmated side.
No true, Europeans don’t like Southern Hemisphere teams because we always moer them. They have all the money and resources, but they are still no match for the boks.
Who is undercooked ? Really? Most of the SA team were playing high level all season. Yes, they never played together for 2 years but the Lions have never played together. VDM should play if they actually attack. Its like GT does not exist. He would never play this way for Scotland against SA and last time it was around a 4 pt game. Play some rugby. I would rather watch a 35 - 30 loss
2nd half 2nd test, in fact most of 2nd test was FAR from a decent game of rugby. It was sheer brutality, 62 minutes per half!, and if this was ever used to promote our lovely game, not many youngsters would be queuing to get involved. Bring back pure rugby, style and decency.....
What the hell is pure Northern hemisphere rugby? The northern hemisphere rugby I knew growing up was forward dominated and devoid of flashy backline play. It was always NZ that showed the world what running rugby was. SA now has that part to its game (both tries we’re back line v only 1 forward try from Lions) but it is overshadowed by just how dominant our forwards are. The hard work is done up front and finished with backline flair.
@@Amandla-Awethu fair enough
bollocks
The only thing boring is the same regurgitated UK & Irish journalistic narrative...
Its hars to watch oof the ball these days. Nowhere near as good as some of the other rugby pundits.
Compare the games to the 2021 Six Nations. It has been awful rugby to watch. Boring.
Quinlan…an “average” player,
Completely agree about AWJ is not up to the leadership. OF should be captain(Yes i am English)
AWJ was ready to board a plane in the 2nd test already..This Lions team. I don't know. Not the real deal.
At this stage of the series it seems as if Gatland does not know which way to turn. He is bringing more physicality to the game with his changes. Like Sticks said in Chasing the sun. You don't challenge the Springboks when it comes physicality.
OF is one of the worst examples of sportsmanship I have seen in the modern era. He doesn’t inspire an ounce of leadership. The only thing he leads by example with is dirty play. AWJ is 10x the leader OF will ever be. That coming from a South African with no interest in who the captain is.
Yes I surpose AJ is the best they can do with regards to captaincy. My quest is are they(Lions) going to play a running expansive game? Kolbe and Cobus are good ball interceptors so they may not and we may smother them with our rush defence and slow down the game like we did with England.