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MALOSSI forcemaster assembly | FAIL! not recommended! | FMP-Solid PASSion |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ย. 2019
- do NOT use it, it doesnt work! It does NOT give any additional power, it just models the current one (and zurns of rev limiter which alao doesnt help) video why will come up, first i test the powercommander fuel controller to show whats possible.
injection tuning, messing with the onboard ignition and map with sneaking into it :)
its not the basic question if this works, its nothing special for motorbikes, so why should it NOT work with a scooter (a lot of wrong online infos available...) the question is only, HOW BIG is the effect :) if it is not working its a) defect or b) set wrong.
the way more interesting question, what to do first:
1) apply all malossi cvt hardware = 450,-
2) or get a forcemaster = 230,- for half the price
(1) performs only as pulleys for just 45,-)
online info says of course 1) !!! is an absolute must.
and why is that. perhaps cause the dealers/shops do earn money with selling the hardware? and its simply, nothing can go wrong? and its optical hidden so "not" illegal? ;) just some ideas
#malossi #FAIL #forcemaster
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It recommends to fit the force master when you fit a big bore engine block.
What do you mean with that.
as it does not include the lambda signal its effect is mimimized, no matter of the engine
@@FreakMoPed8 I think it was too adjust the fueling for the bigger bore cylinder.
in general the "its just for malossi or bigger cylinders" approach is technically wrong logic: if it doesnt really show effect on this engine, it will also barely show on a different cylinder.
or the other way round: the dynojet pcfc, shows a BIG effect on the original engine and of course will bring more power on a malossi or polini whatever cylinder
THIS is how fuel injection tuning is supposed to work.
you dont need the fitting cylinder for that, its just what the brand makes costumers believe, and it absolutely works :) also see the malossi CVT package vs just pulleys = same speed comparison. good marketing indeed!
see this comparison. the difference is HUMANGOUS.
th-cam.com/video/sCLncJYxtiw/w-d-xo.html
pcfc is actual fuel injection tuning, faking lambda values, which brings real effects.
malossi forcemaster is rather just looking like fuel injection tuning.
it kindof just forms the existing powerband a bit different
but clearlly does not influence lambda values = effect is quite limited to zero.
Next video: all test accelleration 0-100kmh for all stage.
You reccomend this malossi force master 2?
sure, already working on it ;) can not tell now if i recommend it or not, have to verify things first
throttle response is nice and rev limiter is gone, thats for sure
usually these mapping thingies work fine.
so lets see
Hi, when I had mine changed and put up. Flashing amber light now? Would you know what that means? Has green light but flashing amber?
It has no effect anyways. I wouldnt wonder but just get rid of it.
Turning off the rev limiter would be useful on a 50cc
Im getting 106MPH with this Malossi computer, i dont know if its for that or because of the muffler + rolls
size and weight of driver. this effect is massive. see pulley vs malossi cvt comparison, the lighter rider pulls away with both scooter.
still: it also doesnt work at your scooter, meaning: giving EXTRA power.
Great video but i would love a on road test with gps meassurements
data already on hand, but goin for fuelcommander first, to be able to show whats possible with injection modules. but short: dont buy the forcemaster. not worth the money.
@@FreakMoPed8 did you install a Malossi 61mm Cylinder? This model of Force Master that youre buying, i believe is design for vehicle with the Malossi Cylinder and not the original cylinder
it has 4 settings and even small wheels to additionallz set it, but still no verifyable effect. which is no wonder: it does NOT influence lambda values
in general the "its just for malossi or bigger cylinders" approach is technically wrong logic: if it doesnt really show effect on this engine, it will also barely show on a different cylinder.
or the other way round: the dynojet pcfc, shows a BIG effect on the original engine and of course will bring more power on a malossi or polini whatever cylinder
THIS is how fuel injection tuning is supposed to work.
you dont need the fitting cylinder for that, its just what the brand makes costumers believe, and it absolutely works :) also see the malossi CVT package vs just pulleys = same speed comparison. good marketing indeed!
see this comparison. the difference is HUMANGOUS.
th-cam.com/video/sCLncJYxtiw/w-d-xo.html
@@FreakMoPed8 yes, the fm2 does not include lambda like the pcfc, hence why the results difference is humangous like you mentioned. I just found out that the malossi has a separate lambda emulator that is recommended to go along with the fm2.
But ur right, great marketing indeed :)
did u adjust the rollers?u dont need to buy overrange only if u have a big wallet.and 4t is a slow bike,not much u can do,but to get better performance upgrade the cyl.
see my honda playlist, you can do quite some things to optimuze Performance. exchanging hardware like exhaust or cylinder is not wanted, too much hazzle, its still only a small scooter.
My red light doesn’t come on 😢
Waiting for results :D
Only little, not worth it. details 2come BUT first i wanna show whats possible with a proper manipultaion with a module, therefore i ordered the powercomander fuel controllwe, whixh includes lambda signals and is programmable on the pc 😃👍 to then have original, malossi and powercommander. 3 different status.
its clearlly feelable and makes fun to ride, it changes the powerband, power comes a bit more spontanious, BUT if you analyse it closer, the real difference is 0-0,5s.
bjt youbneed to analyse it in detail and repeat the runs, to really see the tiny difference.
topspeed is only a few km higher as the rev limiter is gone (or put higher) no additional power in my opinion, just modelling the existing one a bit different.
injection modules do work, just this malossi is below the possibilities of such manipulations.
I tried the pm tuning module, which is the serbian brand, DOEBECK, which brought 10kmh topspeed plus (without rev limiter trick) and was very fine setable all. Over the band. This was REAL adjustments.
First powercommander test, then all the videos will be cut 😉
Recommendation is clear on hand: do buy a different one than the malossi forcemaster. in case of the sh300i!
the doebeck module is available for sh125/150 btw
I have honda vision nsc 50 i buy malossi force master 0. You wanna help?
nope. forget it.
@@FreakMoPed8 ok thanks for answer.
It’s made for the malossi big bore piston kit and cams and exhaust , absolutely pointless without as all the switchable maps are for the big bore piston kit
Map 0 - malossi piston kit, original camshaft, standard exhaust
Map 1 - malossi piston kit, original camshaft, malossi exhaust
Map 2 - malossi piston kit, malossi camshaft, standard exhaust
Map 3 - malossi piston kit, malossi camshaft, malossi exhaust
wrong logic. Good INJECTION Modules always show effect no matter which engine.
When it doesnt show an effect in this engine, it will not show an effect on another engine. Simple as that.
The tuning of the big bore setup u describe is the cyl, head and camshaft but NOT the forcemaster. It just modifies the existing Power a tiny bit different. It doesnt give additional power, as it doesnt mosifie afr values AND that is NOT what injections modulea are supposed to to.
Now imagjne bigbore setup AND a proper injection module 😃
People sadly also buy it for standard engines.
In the end its scam.
Not worth the money.
If sold as injection
as it is just a IGNITION module
and there is a proper module, the dynojet pcfc, not a fake one as the malossi, the difference is humangous. Only the standard map, is very good and gives clearlly additional power 😉
Malossi forcemaster cant work properly, it just changea the ignition maps in the end and there is not really power potential hidden.
th-cam.com/video/sCLncJYxtiw/w-d-xo.html
Back with the quasar 250 engine, which is quite weak, the pm module, which is a doebek module ejk module, brought more power and was very easy and clearlly setable. It added indeed 10kmh top speed, sitting upright! And thats an earthquake for fourstroke kindof 😄
th-cam.com/video/VZWN0a2SdYw/w-d-xo.html
a lot of modules are offered for motorbikes. They work very well of course, i posted some links and diagrams here
forum.vc-gu.at/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21903&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=387aac83876db66c4fb23f35d24de82f
je l ai installer sur mon 125 honda forza de 2019 ca ne marche pas il ne va pas plus vite q avant et j ai fait tout les differents reglage j ai vite enlever cette daube et ca ma couter 250 euros pour rien...a eviter ce produit qui sert a rien..
yep. i know. sadly.
Test video 0-100kmh
sure