The funny thing is that modern Space Marines are designed much like the Aspect Warriors. The only way they don’t fall into the same trap of “you already own them” is because of people making multiple armies with different chapters.
Also the way the game is balanced makes it so that you will likely buy multiple boxes of the same unit, because they often break the primaris marines down into boxes where they sell them in their minimum unit size, the only notable difference being hellblasters, which facilitates buying the same box up to six times as the marine playstyle can often be boiled down to taking as much of the best option as you can.
We should note that the Harlequins did make a return in 4th Edition with sculpts by Juan Diaz of Daemonettes fame and from which the current plastic kits takes design cues from. However just as with the Aspect Warriors they were originally in metal and sadly fell victim to the Finecast curse along with much of the rest of the Eldar range. Also I'll die on this hill that Harlequins deserve much more of the spotlight, being one of the most original concepts not just in GW history but also in all of miniature wargaming.
The biggest issue GW have is actually having faith in their own original concepts. As much as I love 40k, it's pretty clear that GW has always put the most focus into things that have more of a basis outside the worlds of warhammer, whilst things they created to be unique to their own settings are often left in the dust, Harlequins being one such example. The Fimir is another, they were literally created to be warhammer fantasy's own original race as a sort of swamp alligator cyclops men that took inspiration from celtic mythology, and after a complete failure to properly implement them they were left to languish in irrelevance, only for GW to then release a faction of orcs that look suspiciously like those of the Hobbit trilogy, but also aping the fimir's swamp aesthetic in age of sigmar. GW are famous for playing it safe, relatively speaking, CWE is probably as close as we'll get to them truly embracing something that doesn't have a clear analogous property in popular culture.
For my thinks on it? Eldar worked as The Painter’s Army. Even with the wild creativity and mania of Rogue Trader, armies typically relied on a set colour palette for visual cohesion. Eldar however? Sure, your Guardians, War Walkers and Eldar Dreadnoughts shared a scheme and palette. But, the Aspect Warriors? Temple Colours are something pretty different. And to those who really enjoyed their painting, it meant an army with far fewer constraints. And again, for the Aspect Temples? A pretty blank slate, as sure they’ve broadly associated schemes, but the background doesn’t tie you to that.
I have multiple squads of the same aspect warriors in different temple schemes. It's a really fun challenge to make them distinct, but still feel cohesive and true to the aspect's lore.
This is 100% true. It's why I started collecting them. I don't think there is a more fun faction to paint. Chaos being a close second if you mix CSMs with deamons. Maybe eldar didn't sell a lot of models over the years but I'll bet they sold a lot of paint pots.
@ the video certainly doesn’t seem to take Painters into account. The Eldar have always had a visually strong range, especially in the early days. So sure, a player might only buy a handful, but painters might buy multiple, especially as their skills improve and they want to push themselves.
Perhaps something I'm not sure you mentioned: as soon as they commit to/overcome the upfront cost of plastic warp spiders, the margin on each 5-model sprue produced will dwarf any profit on the old resin-cast ones massively, so much quicker, so much less hassle and manual work
The Eldar vs Eldar battle report was from my first ever White Dwarf 196, a somehwat confusing place to start for me as a small child not really knowing what civil war meant. Although I still to this day believe that Warp Spiders were the most powerful unit in the game ever due to that reports influence on my tiny mind. (despite never having played with or against them).
With the new models coming, they only need a new Autarch Skyrunner and Karandras kits to finish an all-plastic Eldar range. But where to go from there? Like you say, Exodites would make a good themed 11th Ed Eldar range... in much the same way the Kroot were fleshed out as an alernative Tau Empire army. The same could be said for the Corsairs. It would be nice for them to have a character or two, a couple of troops boxes (with an option of shooty or close combat weapons), and a transport/tank box... so you can have a pirate Eldar themed army (also like the Kroot). I was really disappointed with GW last year when the produced the Boarding Actions book, with specific Boarding patrols. When the first Boarding Patrol game and scenery came out, GW brought out a Boarding Patrol box featuring two units of ten Corsairs, Jain Zar and five Banshees. In the new Boarding Patrol book, the Corsairs aren't listed. Let me express that more strongly... the literal Eldar PIRATES... aren't in there!... *SMH*
An interesting idea. On the other hand it makes it more puzzling why GW refused to make storm guardian miniatures or wave serpents for more then a decade, causing every eldar player to rely almost exclusively on aspect warriors.
you put a picture of thr isorian tsa ra command squad as an example of a creative unit that nobody wants. this caused me to buy two pack to convert into kroot rampagers for my tau army because i love that theyre so unique and cool!
The northern English excitement in which to go ‘Ooh that’s Manchester’ and ‘Ooh that’s York’ at pictures of cities. Although for pedants sake, the Shambles in York is practically smack bang in the centre of York.
I love your content. 2nd ed was very special to me. I hope there are a plethora of new 40k lovers who come and see your content and realise the history and beauty of the game.
I think that modern GW is run by some kind of Kairos-like two headed beast, but one head only speaks sense and the other one screams monumentally horrible ideas. The sensible head decided that the Horus Heresy should be built on basically two plastic infantry kits with a tremendous amount of versatility. The brain-damaged head has, for some reason, dedicated its remaining life to making as many Primaris Lieutenants and one-off hyper-specialized marine kits as conceivably possible. At least the aspect warriors and phoenix lords are meeting a real demand. I have no idea how they decided that basically dumping the entirety of the Firstborn range with its like five basic, interchangeable kits for dozens and dozens and dozens of boxes that you might conceivably want one of was a good idea.
Well, you see, they're Space Marines. And Space Marines aren't a faction, they're a product line in themselves making up many different factions. As the video pointed out: people sometimes want to switch Space Marine chapters. And if a Blood Angels Tactical Marine is the same thing as an Ultramarines Tactical Marine, then all that requires is a new paint job. Instead, what you do is you sell them an Assault Intercessor Squad, which needs a Blood Angels Upgrade Sprue to really be a Blood Angel. You can't just repaint that into an Ultramarine. And then you have the new Detachment rules, which say that certain Detachments work better with Gravis armor, and others work better with Tacticus armor, and others work better with Phobos armor. So now you can't even take a Raven Guard from your Vanguard Spearhead army, strip the paint, and repaint it as an Imperial Fist for your Anvil Siege Force army: the latter works better with Gravis armor, the former works better with Phobos. Better buy some Heavy Intercessors to replace those Infiltrators. Or, you know, buy up an entire second army.
@@alberthwang2900 But that's not the issue. Upgrade kits are a great idea, as is having multiple armor types. The problem is that they are ballooning their SKU count through the roof by making every single product be a single-use kit that is almost impossible to convert due to being elaborately posed. They could almost certainly reduce costs and shortages by planning ahead and making sure that their main kits are more versatile. You have to have a certain number of bodies on the table to get to a specified points level (more or less). It benefits GW massively if they can maximize the number of individual boxes sold while minimizing the number of different molds. Their current model requires a different mold for almost every single unit in your army. This works for stringing people along and forcing them to buy the new hotness, but also significantly increases the cost to produce models and incurs risk if you ever start producing kits that people don't actually like. They almost certainly would have been better off if they had stopped with one or two boxes for each armor and two vehicle chassis, then expanding the ranges with upgrade kits or alternate assembly sprues like they do with the Primaris dreadnoughts.
@@GaryP336 Games Workshop benefits massively from a tremendous amount of good will, one of the most recognizable IPs in existence, and (mostly) very talented writers, artists, and sculptors. I would argue that they are succeeding in spite of their business model, not because of it.
@@mersenniusprime Dynamic poses make for better box art rather than staid images of ten guys all in the same pose holding the same weapons the exact same way. This gets people more excited to buy things, and therefore increases purchasing. The next big problem is 3D printing. If all your models use the same chassis and body poses, it becomes really easy for 3rd parties to make bits that are compatible. With every model in a unique, dynamic pose, the job of the 3D print studios becomes harder. This all makes sense when you realize that GW is not in the business of making a lot of money in the long term, but trying to make all the money they can out of as many people as possible now.
All truly successful YT channels need a running gag, and I'm pleased to see you've finally got yours. Civvie 11 has sewers, Bad Obsession Motorsport get the funk out, Leif over at Devs and Dice has his increasingly deranged cackling, and now you have recycling jokes. I'm interested to see how far this can go.
I'll never understand why GW was so stingy about making new aspects shrines as well as off-shoots of existing ones: wouldn't it make sense to make Fire Dragons focusing on fire axes instead meltas or Shuriken Cannon wielding Dark Reapers considering their respective Phoenix Lords?
@@Grendich ...Good point! I was convinced that the bloody hand was because it was holding the heart of someone it killed during the ritual to awaken it, but it turns out I was completely mistaken. I'm not sure if I got confused with some other Warhammer model, or if I just made that up entirely!
This was a great video! I would have liked to see his touch on Ynnari, to help sell one thing multiple times, and why they haven’t continued it outside that model.
Thank you Sir! A really enjoyable video. My Eldar army is based on the old 90s models. They´re the best in my opinion, Goodwin forever! All the best, Billi.
Regarding the near demise of the Eldar range, I'd be interested in your take on the demise of the squats. Also I really enjoyed your explanation why most of the eldar range hadn't been refreshed in decase
A little nitpick here at 15:55, the 3rd ed rulebook did say that a player could take multiple force org detachments so long as they were each composed of at least 1 HQ and 2 Troops units, so you could actually take more than 2 HQs in a game. The missions in the same book also often fiddled with force org to fit the mission, changing the minimum reqs of units. 6th and 7th eds introduced formations, and some of these were basically just HQs, or an HQ with one other unit, etc.
From memory it was more of a loose "guideline" in the rulebook and it vaguely cites 1500-2000 point games as being 1 detachment, with bigger games allowing you to take multiple detachments but (again, from memory) it was more of a pre-arranged player consent sort of deal, like fielding special characters. And certainly most "standard" games in tourneys, etc. only let you take a single force org chart as far as I'm aware. Even outside of it, most "standard" games (up to 2000 points) it was just kind of agreed that you only took a single standard detachment unless you had some narrative stuff going on or specific mission rules.
@MrDuckyart no, that's correct! It was under that assumption. But it was an option, and I imagine in casual games it wouldn't be an issue (there wasn't *really* a benefit in taking so many HQs and troops back then, after all). And 3rd ed was when I got into the hobby, so I don't know much about the competitive scene.
I really do think the business reason for retiring older models is to “sell the same thing multiple times.” Like you mentioned in your video about AoS it’s great for players that you can build an army and play forever but that’s horrible for the company selling the models. So if you just periodically “retire” a few of everyone’s models and then replace them with something new it spurs sales.
It all goes back to the oldest profession. Have one thing (that you didn't even have to pay for), and sell it multiple times (or rent it out, in this case).
I'd be interested in hearing your take on Wyrd games, because with their flagship game Malifaux, they seem to follow an opposite philosophy to the "make one thing and sell it multiple times". With Malifaux there's strict limits on how many of a unit you can take, even minion units where you can take multiple of them, they're typically limited to how many you get in the box, with there only being a few exceptions in the entire game (and those few exceptions are also the most expensive crews, like I like the big hat models but damn, there are crews you can put together for a quarter the cost of that one) so rarely do you ever actually need to buy the individual product more than once. They are a smaller miniatures company but they have a loyal following and recently made their way into the top 10 of icv2's best selling non-collectible miniatures lines (the one for wargame and D&D minis) with the Malifaux range specifically. They do their own wargame as well, although it isn't as miniatures heavy as either 40k or AoS, more of a middle ground between a skirmish game and wargame where there aren't strict limits on units like in Malifaux.
11:56 where is that image from? It just sent me into a spiral of 90s White Dwarf or possible early 00's headspace. Its definitely early 90s in the photo but where have i seen it? Have i lived it, dreamt it? Is that my best friend I've not seen in two decades? Did I claim it was when i was in year 8, " he lives in one town over'? Did he win a compo or is this a stumbleupon memory? I know I've seen it but where? WHERE!? Imagine i have you by the ankles and I'm dangling yourt body out of a ground floor window demanding the above. Your just doing an assisted handstand essentially outside a travel lodge off a busy roundabout. TELL ME!
@@Le_Petomane it’s from either a white dwarf or promo pamphlet I scanned in. I couldn’t tell you which one off the top of my head because I foolishly didn’t add those details to the file names. The photo looks to have been taken around 92-93 due to the products featured but could have been published later
As a knife-ear fanboy since day one, this is a fantastic video. Have you ever thought about collaborating with ArbitorIan? To me, that looks like a perfect fit.
Here's the thing: if GW would balance their armies and not invalidate them with new rules, I'd just keep adding to stuff. I'd have three or four 10k+ armies. Instead, i just read lore now.
They got loads of fans working for 'em, problem with those is that they're often too reverent about the IP to actually make some stuff that's actually interesting instead of fan fiction, re-makes and references. Though the biggest problem 40k has is that they're to beholden to the money holders. Look at most other game systems GW has and they're mostly very good (albeit particular) with impressive models while the mass appeal chasing makes 40k very bland
A lot of studio staff have really drank the kool aid big time, they are overly loyal to the company, what GW needs is genuine punks to change shit up, and challenge the big wigs w interesting ideas like, I dont know, 3d Printing, and selling STL files of their old discontinued stock Look at how well Trench Crusade and 28mag is doing, it captures fanmade content much better than the former and has radically fun and creative approaches. They just dont want to lose their main purchasers; 40 year old mothers.
This is why I stopped buying warhammer in the early 2000s. I saw how many of my friends older brothers were showing their older model armies and talking about how they cant use them anymore because they are outdated.
You probably cut it out of the history because it's not very relevant, but the Aspect Warriors got updated sculpts in 3rd edition, before all that finecast rubbish came out. Unfortunately, these 3rd edition resculpts were absolute arsenal.
Elves are all bastards. It follows, then, that Space Elves are all bastards as well. It would be too far to say that Eldar fans and players are bastards, but from my sample size of precisely one guy I knew in High School, let's just say it doesn't look good.
The funny thing is that modern Space Marines are designed much like the Aspect Warriors. The only way they don’t fall into the same trap of “you already own them” is because of people making multiple armies with different chapters.
Also the way the game is balanced makes it so that you will likely buy multiple boxes of the same unit, because they often break the primaris marines down into boxes where they sell them in their minimum unit size, the only notable difference being hellblasters, which facilitates buying the same box up to six times as the marine playstyle can often be boiled down to taking as much of the best option as you can.
Two in a week? Capt Mannering has lost the plot
Stupid boy 🤣🤣
❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤💯 Still have all my OG White-Metal *_PHOENIX LORDS_*_ & Friends_ in my collection.*
( * and I luv 'em ;-))
We should note that the Harlequins did make a return in 4th Edition with sculpts by Juan Diaz of Daemonettes fame and from which the current plastic kits takes design cues from. However just as with the Aspect Warriors they were originally in metal and sadly fell victim to the Finecast curse along with much of the rest of the Eldar range.
Also I'll die on this hill that Harlequins deserve much more of the spotlight, being one of the most original concepts not just in GW history but also in all of miniature wargaming.
The biggest issue GW have is actually having faith in their own original concepts. As much as I love 40k, it's pretty clear that GW has always put the most focus into things that have more of a basis outside the worlds of warhammer, whilst things they created to be unique to their own settings are often left in the dust, Harlequins being one such example. The Fimir is another, they were literally created to be warhammer fantasy's own original race as a sort of swamp alligator cyclops men that took inspiration from celtic mythology, and after a complete failure to properly implement them they were left to languish in irrelevance, only for GW to then release a faction of orcs that look suspiciously like those of the Hobbit trilogy, but also aping the fimir's swamp aesthetic in age of sigmar. GW are famous for playing it safe, relatively speaking, CWE is probably as close as we'll get to them truly embracing something that doesn't have a clear analogous property in popular culture.
For my thinks on it? Eldar worked as The Painter’s Army. Even with the wild creativity and mania of Rogue Trader, armies typically relied on a set colour palette for visual cohesion. Eldar however? Sure, your Guardians, War Walkers and Eldar Dreadnoughts shared a scheme and palette. But, the Aspect Warriors? Temple Colours are something pretty different. And to those who really enjoyed their painting, it meant an army with far fewer constraints. And again, for the Aspect Temples? A pretty blank slate, as sure they’ve broadly associated schemes, but the background doesn’t tie you to that.
I have multiple squads of the same aspect warriors in different temple schemes. It's a really fun challenge to make them distinct, but still feel cohesive and true to the aspect's lore.
This is 100% true. It's why I started collecting them. I don't think there is a more fun faction to paint. Chaos being a close second if you mix CSMs with deamons. Maybe eldar didn't sell a lot of models over the years but I'll bet they sold a lot of paint pots.
@ the video certainly doesn’t seem to take Painters into account. The Eldar have always had a visually strong range, especially in the early days. So sure, a player might only buy a handful, but painters might buy multiple, especially as their skills improve and they want to push themselves.
How. Dare. You. Harlequins are the coolest damn thing ever! *Harumph*
Besides Genestealer Cults the coolest thing in 40k indeed!
Olden Demon is spoiling us with so many videos 😀
_Pouring one out for the Warp Spiders mold_
@@crikeymiles is it too early to call for it being put on cast on demand?
@@OldenDemon"Colonel, I'm retired. Find another man for the job."
Wouldn’t you be pouring one into the mould?
Perhaps something I'm not sure you mentioned: as soon as they commit to/overcome the upfront cost of plastic warp spiders, the margin on each 5-model sprue produced will dwarf any profit on the old resin-cast ones massively, so much quicker, so much less hassle and manual work
The Eldar vs Eldar battle report was from my first ever White Dwarf 196, a somehwat confusing place to start for me as a small child not really knowing what civil war meant. Although I still to this day believe that Warp Spiders were the most powerful unit in the game ever due to that reports influence on my tiny mind. (despite never having played with or against them).
Bonus point for using Jes Goodwin original artwork, I still have that book :)
Never even knew it existed, need to hunt down a copy.
Edit: It’s £500, I no longer *need* it 😂
@deifiedtitan Amazing art, might have pages on Google images
@@deifiedtitan will BL ever reprint these amazing eldar sketch books :(
Those aftermarket prices are insane
GW GIVE ME A FULL EXODITE RANGE AND MY WALLET IS YOURS
What about space marines riding Dinosaurs?
With the new models coming, they only need a new Autarch Skyrunner and Karandras kits to finish an all-plastic Eldar range.
But where to go from there?
Like you say, Exodites would make a good themed 11th Ed Eldar range... in much the same way the Kroot were fleshed out as an alernative Tau Empire army.
The same could be said for the Corsairs. It would be nice for them to have a character or two, a couple of troops boxes (with an option of shooty or close combat weapons), and a transport/tank box... so you can have a pirate Eldar themed army (also like the Kroot).
I was really disappointed with GW last year when the produced the Boarding Actions book, with specific Boarding patrols.
When the first Boarding Patrol game and scenery came out, GW brought out a Boarding Patrol box featuring two units of ten Corsairs, Jain Zar and five Banshees.
In the new Boarding Patrol book, the Corsairs aren't listed.
Let me express that more strongly... the literal Eldar PIRATES... aren't in there!... *SMH*
Hell just expand the Seraphon range and we'll do it ourselves...
An interesting idea. On the other hand it makes it more puzzling why GW refused to make storm guardian miniatures or wave serpents for more then a decade, causing every eldar player to rely almost exclusively on aspect warriors.
11:00 Oh god, this reminds me GW and their 300 primaris LTs
you put a picture of thr isorian tsa ra command squad as an example of a creative unit that nobody wants. this caused me to buy two pack to convert into kroot rampagers for my tau army because i love that theyre so unique and cool!
The northern English excitement in which to go ‘Ooh that’s Manchester’ and ‘Ooh that’s York’ at pictures of cities.
Although for pedants sake, the Shambles in York is practically smack bang in the centre of York.
I love your content. 2nd ed was very special to me. I hope there are a plethora of new 40k lovers who come and see your content and realise the history and beauty of the game.
Two episodes in quick succession - truly we are blessed this month
The secret road is walled with pictures by Mark Gibbons.
Mark gibbons and Jes Goodwin, actual Eldar God's.
I think that modern GW is run by some kind of Kairos-like two headed beast, but one head only speaks sense and the other one screams monumentally horrible ideas. The sensible head decided that the Horus Heresy should be built on basically two plastic infantry kits with a tremendous amount of versatility. The brain-damaged head has, for some reason, dedicated its remaining life to making as many Primaris Lieutenants and one-off hyper-specialized marine kits as conceivably possible. At least the aspect warriors and phoenix lords are meeting a real demand. I have no idea how they decided that basically dumping the entirety of the Firstborn range with its like five basic, interchangeable kits for dozens and dozens and dozens of boxes that you might conceivably want one of was a good idea.
Thier financial reports seem to suggest it IS a good idea 😅
Well, you see, they're Space Marines. And Space Marines aren't a faction, they're a product line in themselves making up many different factions.
As the video pointed out: people sometimes want to switch Space Marine chapters. And if a Blood Angels Tactical Marine is the same thing as an Ultramarines Tactical Marine, then all that requires is a new paint job. Instead, what you do is you sell them an Assault Intercessor Squad, which needs a Blood Angels Upgrade Sprue to really be a Blood Angel. You can't just repaint that into an Ultramarine.
And then you have the new Detachment rules, which say that certain Detachments work better with Gravis armor, and others work better with Tacticus armor, and others work better with Phobos armor. So now you can't even take a Raven Guard from your Vanguard Spearhead army, strip the paint, and repaint it as an Imperial Fist for your Anvil Siege Force army: the latter works better with Gravis armor, the former works better with Phobos. Better buy some Heavy Intercessors to replace those Infiltrators. Or, you know, buy up an entire second army.
@@alberthwang2900 But that's not the issue. Upgrade kits are a great idea, as is having multiple armor types. The problem is that they are ballooning their SKU count through the roof by making every single product be a single-use kit that is almost impossible to convert due to being elaborately posed. They could almost certainly reduce costs and shortages by planning ahead and making sure that their main kits are more versatile. You have to have a certain number of bodies on the table to get to a specified points level (more or less). It benefits GW massively if they can maximize the number of individual boxes sold while minimizing the number of different molds. Their current model requires a different mold for almost every single unit in your army. This works for stringing people along and forcing them to buy the new hotness, but also significantly increases the cost to produce models and incurs risk if you ever start producing kits that people don't actually like. They almost certainly would have been better off if they had stopped with one or two boxes for each armor and two vehicle chassis, then expanding the ranges with upgrade kits or alternate assembly sprues like they do with the Primaris dreadnoughts.
@@GaryP336 Games Workshop benefits massively from a tremendous amount of good will, one of the most recognizable IPs in existence, and (mostly) very talented writers, artists, and sculptors. I would argue that they are succeeding in spite of their business model, not because of it.
@@mersenniusprime Dynamic poses make for better box art rather than staid images of ten guys all in the same pose holding the same weapons the exact same way. This gets people more excited to buy things, and therefore increases purchasing.
The next big problem is 3D printing. If all your models use the same chassis and body poses, it becomes really easy for 3rd parties to make bits that are compatible. With every model in a unique, dynamic pose, the job of the 3D print studios becomes harder.
This all makes sense when you realize that GW is not in the business of making a lot of money in the long term, but trying to make all the money they can out of as many people as possible now.
19:47 I though the harlequins got turned into a support squad for the Eldar in most editions past 3rd...
Ah yes... Just a company of space marines. That's a reasonable stopping point.
All truly successful YT channels need a running gag, and I'm pleased to see you've finally got yours. Civvie 11 has sewers, Bad Obsession Motorsport get the funk out, Leif over at Devs and Dice has his increasingly deranged cackling, and now you have recycling jokes. I'm interested to see how far this can go.
I'll never understand why GW was so stingy about making new aspects shrines as well as off-shoots of existing ones: wouldn't it make sense to make Fire Dragons focusing on fire axes instead meltas or Shuriken Cannon wielding Dark Reapers considering their respective Phoenix Lords?
1:05 - Okay, I'm calling it: the tin man wanting a heart is TOTALLY setting up a pun or joke about the Eldar Avatar holding a bloody heart, right?
since when is the avatar holding a bloody heart?
@@Grendich ...Good point! I was convinced that the bloody hand was because it was holding the heart of someone it killed during the ritual to awaken it, but it turns out I was completely mistaken. I'm not sure if I got confused with some other Warhammer model, or if I just made that up entirely!
The Vyper was the first kit I bought in '97. Love it as much now as I did then.
This was a great video! I would have liked to see his touch on Ynnari, to help sell one thing multiple times, and why they haven’t continued it outside that model.
Thank you Sir! A really enjoyable video. My Eldar army is based on the old 90s models. They´re the best in my opinion, Goodwin forever! All the best, Billi.
More olden demon, more often 👍
White Dwarf 127 is amazing. Best issue ever.
Really, REALLY good video mate, great work!
Nice! Thanks Olden. 👍
I like these videos. I'm not familiar with the 40.000 game, but I enjoy seeing game history.
Regarding the near demise of the Eldar range, I'd be interested in your take on the demise of the squats. Also I really enjoyed your explanation why most of the eldar range hadn't been refreshed in decase
A little nitpick here at 15:55, the 3rd ed rulebook did say that a player could take multiple force org detachments so long as they were each composed of at least 1 HQ and 2 Troops units, so you could actually take more than 2 HQs in a game. The missions in the same book also often fiddled with force org to fit the mission, changing the minimum reqs of units.
6th and 7th eds introduced formations, and some of these were basically just HQs, or an HQ with one other unit, etc.
From memory it was more of a loose "guideline" in the rulebook and it vaguely cites 1500-2000 point games as being 1 detachment, with bigger games allowing you to take multiple detachments but (again, from memory) it was more of a pre-arranged player consent sort of deal, like fielding special characters. And certainly most "standard" games in tourneys, etc. only let you take a single force org chart as far as I'm aware. Even outside of it, most "standard" games (up to 2000 points) it was just kind of agreed that you only took a single standard detachment unless you had some narrative stuff going on or specific mission rules.
@MrDuckyart no, that's correct! It was under that assumption. But it was an option, and I imagine in casual games it wouldn't be an issue (there wasn't *really* a benefit in taking so many HQs and troops back then, after all). And 3rd ed was when I got into the hobby, so I don't know much about the competitive scene.
The mention of X-Wing made me sad 😢
I miss that game
Well thought out. That makes a lot of sense as to why GW took 30 years to update the Eldar.
I want harlequins 🥺
It's like watching Tony Hawks (not the skateboarder) school me on old GW miniatures.
That's not a bad thing!
i LOVE YOUR WORK! Mooore!!!!!
Great content as always
Beyond the gates of Antares mentioned!
I really do think the business reason for retiring older models is to “sell the same thing multiple times.” Like you mentioned in your video about AoS it’s great for players that you can build an army and play forever but that’s horrible for the company selling the models. So if you just periodically “retire” a few of everyone’s models and then replace them with something new it spurs sales.
Awesome content as usual 😁
Oh boy I’m so exited 😊
It all goes back to the oldest profession. Have one thing (that you didn't even have to pay for), and sell it multiple times (or rent it out, in this case).
RIP scorpion 2 tank. Got pulled just as I was saving for one...
I'd be interested in hearing your take on Wyrd games, because with their flagship game Malifaux, they seem to follow an opposite philosophy to the "make one thing and sell it multiple times". With Malifaux there's strict limits on how many of a unit you can take, even minion units where you can take multiple of them, they're typically limited to how many you get in the box, with there only being a few exceptions in the entire game (and those few exceptions are also the most expensive crews, like I like the big hat models but damn, there are crews you can put together for a quarter the cost of that one) so rarely do you ever actually need to buy the individual product more than once. They are a smaller miniatures company but they have a loyal following and recently made their way into the top 10 of icv2's best selling non-collectible miniatures lines (the one for wargame and D&D minis) with the Malifaux range specifically. They do their own wargame as well, although it isn't as miniatures heavy as either 40k or AoS, more of a middle ground between a skirmish game and wargame where there aren't strict limits on units like in Malifaux.
- ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🖤💯 Still have all my OG White-Metal *_PHOENIX LORDS_*_ & Friends_ in my collection.*
( * and I luv 'em ;-))
Me too buddy
Good video
I prefer guard, but Eldar are ok. I do have a Dark Eldar army, had it since 3rd.
Very interesting video...As always
11:56 where is that image from? It just sent me into a spiral of 90s White Dwarf or possible early 00's headspace. Its definitely early 90s in the photo but where have i seen it? Have i lived it, dreamt it? Is that my best friend I've not seen in two decades? Did I claim it was when i was in year 8, " he lives in one town over'? Did he win a compo or is this a stumbleupon memory? I know I've seen it but where? WHERE!?
Imagine i have you by the ankles and I'm dangling yourt body out of a ground floor window demanding the above. Your just doing an assisted handstand essentially outside a travel lodge off a busy roundabout.
TELL ME!
@@Le_Petomane it’s from either a white dwarf or promo pamphlet I scanned in. I couldn’t tell you which one off the top of my head because I foolishly didn’t add those details to the file names. The photo looks to have been taken around 92-93 due to the products featured but could have been published later
"THAT'S NOT VEAL!!!!!" 😱
Space Marine kits subsidise everything else. Got it.
this was quite akward ...but... okay, I paint Eldar since a few weeks and have a lot of fun, Old metal ones from 91 for sure.
As a knife-ear fanboy since day one, this is a fantastic video. Have you ever thought about collaborating with ArbitorIan? To me, that looks like a perfect fit.
Nuetral faction ? They're the goox guys right..right...right guys !?!
lol. I won't buy any of the new sculpts because my 1990s metal aspect warriors are still good to go. Dying race. Peak Eldar.
The old sculpts are just beautiful
Here's the thing: if GW would balance their armies and not invalidate them with new rules, I'd just keep adding to stuff. I'd have three or four 10k+ armies. Instead, i just read lore now.
Irony that Finecast wasn't very fine at all
I audibly said holy shit when I saw eldar instead of imperial guard/tyrannids on the title
Well I learned one thing, why aspect warriors are called that, now I feel a bit dumb lol
Still the best faction. Interesting insights.
Honestly if they just employed people who actually like the games they'd probably make way more money.
They got loads of fans working for 'em, problem with those is that they're often too reverent about the IP to actually make some stuff that's actually interesting instead of fan fiction, re-makes and references.
Though the biggest problem 40k has is that they're to beholden to the money holders. Look at most other game systems GW has and they're mostly very good (albeit particular) with impressive models while the mass appeal chasing makes 40k very bland
A lot of studio staff have really drank the kool aid big time, they are overly loyal to the company, what GW needs is genuine punks to change shit up, and challenge the big wigs w interesting ideas like, I dont know, 3d Printing, and selling STL files of their old discontinued stock
Look at how well Trench Crusade and 28mag is doing, it captures fanmade content much better than the former and has radically fun and creative approaches.
They just dont want to lose their main purchasers; 40 year old mothers.
This is why I stopped buying warhammer in the early 2000s. I saw how many of my friends older brothers were showing their older model armies and talking about how they cant use them anymore because they are outdated.
They can't use them in tournaments. Aside from that surely they can do what they like?
Even then - surprise, surprise - all the old Eldar minis are still tournament viable. I even use 90s minis for Kill Team.
Goddang the people wanted Gundam. Then one day it was Tau much. Ill see myself out.
I dont need that many secrets
do the same for squats !
I don't think it's relevant that the Vyper and Falcon are old. They're perfect as they are. Remaster not needed.
Gracias
You probably cut it out of the history because it's not very relevant, but the Aspect Warriors got updated sculpts in 3rd edition, before all that finecast rubbish came out. Unfortunately, these 3rd edition resculpts were absolute arsenal.
Who are the Elda? 😉😁
Wow, another recycling video? I learned so much last time
2025 will be recycling awareness year
i kinda miss the AI wiener dog. Any chance of a return of the olden dog?
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Ah yes fail cast. Somehow worse than a russian or Chinese recast xp
Elves are all bastards. It follows, then, that Space Elves are all bastards as well. It would be too far to say that Eldar fans and players are bastards, but from my sample size of precisely one guy I knew in High School, let's just say it doesn't look good.
Yeah,but they're less of bastards than the other bastards
Holy shit I’m early
Sorry but this is your worst video so far. Whole sections make no sense? Am i just missing the joke and this is satire?
Man, what a gimmick.