For one reason or another, they just aren't making shit like 10-15 years ago. Drake and Kendrick put more work building those damn diss tracks than most artists do for their entire albums. Should be the other way around
How old are you? I’m asking cause JB crowd is older and quick to call music by 20 year olds trash just because they can’t relate to it 🤦🏾♂️ and da YG ain’t complaining about music is always da older demographic
@purrfitazitgetz3365 Fam. They JUST explained it. The newer artists don’t even ATTEMPT to make good albums now. I don’t blame a lot of them, they don’t know how because it’s not expected anymore. The mixtape/playlist approach isn’t the same as the album approach. A mixtape is the project equivalent of a freestyle. I got a whole bunch of tracks with no connecting subjects, themes, etc. and I’m not really talking about nothing. Cole and Kendrick still do that so they still sell and are critically praised.
@@dawb86 ok and my comeback again is the “Youth” doesn’t care because dat formula now is dated to them and also this podcast everyone is over the age of 40 so it’s a lot of biased opinions about the younger artist who music again isn’t for the 40 age demographic because youth culture is consumed with social media and right now
@@dawb86 example j Cole is ranked 108 in da world in steaming but gunna is 98th future is # 40 and 21 savage is #58 so this podcast also lies about j Cole being the “ biggest” when he’s obviously NOT based off Spotify which is the #1 music streaming app and gives artist rankings
@@dawb86 maybe the music JUST isn’t for you is what I’m saying and people complaining about free music irks my nerves because just find an artist that suits ur style? Why complain about music u don’t have to listen to ? Nobody forcing anyone to listen to anything and music been in the hands of the consumers for over a decade BUT What people whining about is other people aren’t listening to what I want them to listen to
“You are not a rapper/singer, you are a content creator” Every industry has technical specialists who get pay top premium for their skill yet, Real “Human made” music takes hours upon hours to make and, the Music industry has us artist at the bottom of food chain. The majority of musicians dislike this medium (the internet), yet according to our society, it is now the only way to “consume” and “promote” music. The real question is Why? Why not revolt against this system? The answer is that You can’t. You can’t even put down your phone.
You said it perfectly well as an artist. Sometimes we gotta create content around our music in order for people to listen to it. Now it’s like we literally have to be both or you will die out with nothing but ideas
Lol they on a Podcast asking why people aren't giving as much of their time, effort, and attention to music. IT'S THIS!!! All the new forms of content. I rarely put on music when I hop in the car. I put podcast on. There are so many more types of ways to spend your time these days that didn't exist when I was a kid. All the different streaming services, gaming, is on a crazy level as far as quality. They release whole seasons of shows in an instant. All the different social media platforms are spending millions to capture our attention. It is a new landscape, and musicians are going to have to adjust to it
I was gonna say this as well. Would sometimes rather listen to a podcast on jog/walk than music playlist. And listen to talk radio in the car. I think though if music had concepts and the variety and social commentary of the podcasts. People would listen to music a lot more
If the music was good padcast would take the back seat. Music is trash period. The consumer has the attention span of a gnat. The labels are pushing anyone speaking destruction and negativity. The kids are selling out because they’re trying to eat.
I keep saying it, social media ruined music. It’s all content creation. & the fact that “regional music” no longer exist, there’s no variety. Ppl in one area of the world trynna sound like someone from another.. trash
People don't buy music. Unless you're a super fan or music head, you're streaming or hitting TH-cam. Music is a devalued commodity which is why even the most successful artists are all diversified in other avenues. Outside of live performances, its more of the tool to other arenas. The streaming splits need to change or thats it for music sales in my opinion. Realistically for what you get Spotify and Apple music should cost more and it's worth the value.
Lack of youth development is the reason, XXL freshman list falling off is so slept on, it’s where a lot of bubbling artists see a huge boost in eyes. That plus the lack of talent in who the labels are choosing to push. Ian for example got smelled out for being inauthentic and a plant. Fans are smarter nowadays and can smell a label pushing someone in they face.
After the 2017 Freshman class I stopped paying attention to it. Most the 2017 and 2018 Class isn't doing anything. Where Is Bloc-Boy JB? Trippie Redd or Smokepurrp? Even Bhadd Bhabbie(Cash Me Outside) Made the list and now she doesn't even Rap anymore.
@ trippie is one of those guys who has his audience and his only trying to reach them at this point, which is honestly the play for longevity nowadays. It’s hard being the unicorn artist who appeals to the mainstream and still have a core audience.
@@Diovolente but Ian never blew up and again yall speaking on TH-cam rappers dat outside of TH-cam nobody never heard of dem cause Ian ain’t touring or doing shows he just a TH-cam rapper
Simple: modern music industry is just a numbers game. Short catchy tracks that drive up streams quickly 🤷♂️ If an artist comes out with a style that brings in revenue fast then the label with either blatantly or subtly mold the signed artists to follow suit
@@hennyknows Yeah sort of but not really back in the day when Artist dropped an album the whole year the would shortly drop videos for it. Nowadays it's just something to trend on silly IG Shorts or Tik-Tok dances. Rappers with Bars can't shine nowadays but Rappers like Future,Soulja Boy and Sexy Redd can.
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 don’t disrespect future cause dude makes good music dat people can relate to and honestly da same wid sexy red , cause her music is relatable and dats whad dese so called spitters don’t understand and BUN B said it best you can be da best rapper in da room BUT also da most un relatable rapper in da room
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 rappers with bars can’t shine cause they can’t make good music 🤦🏾♂️ and wen yall bring up bars cause everyone know someone that has good bars but doesn’t mean they can make relatable music
To me is crazy that someone like ab soul is still in “starving artist mode” despite being heard millions of times. When id say the idea of when you started to make music was to just be heard. So artist are being heard millions upon millions of time yet still not making the money. It’s crazy to me
There no build up to the projects , no development of the artists public persona and the internet is used to tear artist down . Our superheroes have become too accessible .
@@realkingreco I don’t know dawg everyone trying to figure out how much a stream is but I’m sure we wouldn’t never know cause every artist pro getting paid differently for their streams tho cause a top artist stream can’t be da same as lesser known artist
Back in the day we had 106 & Park, Rap City, Yo MTV Raps, TRL and other outlets that broke new artist to the world. If you enjoyed mainstream rap, you had 106&Park. If you want top 40 type hits you had TRL. If you wanted to listen to the tier 2 rappers (Jada, Method Man, UGK, 36 Mafia etc) you had Rap City and MTV Raps. If you wanted r&b, alternative r&b or neo soul, you had midnight love. Artist actually had a better chance because variety was king. Today we don't have true hip hop platforms that are concerned about the artist and the music. Prime example is the outlet here. The Joe Budden podcast and many others like have become too opinionated and invested in conflict. Their entire worth is based on the negativity is shines a light on and not the music. The world is full of talented artist but who's going to bring them to us. Who with a large platform is going to consistently introduce the world to newer/innovative artist and keep it strictly about the music. If we can get back to keeping the celebrity a mystery but the music a celebrity, the music game will bounce back.
Get the singers and rappers on prime time TV and late night TV as well. You need dedicated TV shows to showcase LIVE Music with instruments. It doesn't matter how many performances you do online even like NPR's Tiny Desk. Prime Time TV, especially on a weekend, beats them all. If Middle America is talking about your performances on a Saturday evening family show, then you've made it...
@@matthewprince9705 Agreed. Problem is, labels have abandoned artist development. Sad to say that a lot of these hip hop artist can't go sit on a couch and have an interesting convo with someone with the world watching. They just don't have the media training anymore.
THAT TOO i was just having this conversation months back with someone Let's say we rewind to like the 2000s where yes there was Bootleg CDs but people still used CDs primarily you still went to the record store, best buy wherever u went listen I was young during them times So my folks handled all that but If your in Best Buy or wherever and you see Kendrick GNX vs Sexy Redd with no streaming 9x out of 10 there going with Kendrick not me being biased but who's gonna pay $14-$15 to hear Sexy Redd say cat in the hat ass rhymes vs Kendrick who's music actually means something Most these newer artist i hate to say it albums aren't worth buying like who wants to hear a whole CD of pound town all day shit I know I wouldn't because when I asked the person I had that convo with would they they said HELL NO🤣 Answered my Question I'd buy a Lil Durk, G Herbo (Old G Herbo like Welcome To Fazoland, Ballin Like Im Kobe, Humble Beast, Swervo and PTSD), Polo G first two albums, Cordae, Juice WRLD, ScHoolboy Q, Jay Rock, King Von, JID, Joey Bada$$, Denzel Curry, Future, Travis Scott etc. because they actually put out good shit Anything post 2022 i won't lie to you i've tuned out now I either play shit from my Parents time 80s and 90s My time 2000s-2010s or shit from 2020-2022 on occasion Hell NGL some of these artist i've bought albums from some of them already But yeah your point is valid just thought i'd expand on it because It's crazy how I literally had this convo w abt this with someone back in like March-April
Honestly music isn't selling especially hip hop because they treated like a hustle and of actually having talent and putting time and creativity into their music the one thing about today that I like is people from anywhere in the world can become famous but back in the day that wasn't the case there were Gatekeepers and that's why the quality of music was different just couldn't some anybody from their basement upload music to the world even though today that can be a cool thing
@@klubmember960 thiss cause I agree wid ya homie on da gatekeeping and @ First I was against it but wen you see artist like da Indian dude stealing project par flow it makes u mad
Plus their no longer regional type of music specially in hip hop and r&b definitely in television shows plus ain’t no real r&b producers like teddy Riley babyface and la Reid Jimmy jam and terry lewis Al b sure and Kyle west Denzil Foster Thomas McElroy Dave hall dj Eddie f Devante swing nobody don’t wanna be a artist or the fanbase doesn’t want real singers mcs or groups
its streams. lol. who’s buying a whole album for 14$ when you can stream whatever you want for 9.99$ a month. streaming also creates oversaturation because it’s filled with independent artists.
Yep it's not the music quality it's a lot of us spending hours a day listening to content over music...after a few pods on top of a cue of interviews how much time is possibly left in a day for music
The problem is and always been the INDUSTRY! Why don't these artists (particularly Hip-Hop) have a higher percentage of royalties in the sales and streaming? Why are artists still signing 360° deals??? Why haven't anyone took what Prince, Master P, or Damon Dash has been speaking on for years into consideration? Which is OWNERSHIP!!! Develop your own website and build a app with it. And sale and stream your own content. The labels are only in it for the money and to push destructive music to the youth. Time to abandon the majors and all music to be independently sold by the musicians themselves 💯
This conversation in itself is the problem. The people don’t demand better from artists, the artists are here just to get in the door & the labels want a quick return on investment. And everybody is OK with that? I understand getting the bag but don’t sit there and complain that people don’t want to support & buy the music if all you’re going to do is give them fast food. Yes McDonald’s is successful, but no one eats their food and thinks wow I really love that. They are eating it because it’s convenient fast and cheap. If you want to be fast food, then you’ll be treated like fast food. Simple.
@@lewjones3 I listened to both and cubes new album and the mount westmore album💯E-40 still got it but he always been active them other cats been out the game for too long and it sounds like it🤷🏿♂️
Those guys are like Uncles now. Nobody's checking for their music. LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg are actors to Gen Z and most MIllennials. That single LL did, "Proclivities" with Saweetie was embarrassing with a questionable music video.
It feels like less actual artist and more people who chase money via music. Artistry > Hits Like anything, major music is about making money. Capitalism is about shareholders and cutting fat to make more money for the sake of making more money. The music industry now feels like it’s being driven by profit instead of making good music. It’s cookie cutter. Doesn’t matter if a person is actually talented…. Are they marketable? That’s more important.
Musically, across the board, the USA have been in a steep decline in musical talent, staring about 30 years ago. Where are the James Browns, Sammy Davis Jrs, Princes, Micheal Jacksons, Louis Jordans, TinaTurners, ertha kitts,
@SilFord-o9f Y'all don't live with the music like that anymore. Back then an album could have a slow buildup and live for years. Whitney Houston's debut album was released in February 1985. She was still dropping singles from it over a year later. MJ would be dropping singles from albums he did two years prior. That was when we actually bought music. Also, you can't really have superstars like we did in the 80s anymore.
1. There's 1000x the supply of music to the demand for it 100k new songs get uploaded to Spotify per day 2. Major labels are so risk averse that they only promote the most uninteresting music thinking it's going to maximize their investment, but it just causes diminishing returns 3. Big tech companies like Google and Spotify completely control: A. music taste-making; B. the finances of the music industry Meaning: the same 10-15 major label artists make 90% of the money from streams 4. Because music has been free for their entire life, young artists place 0 value on music. They don't value originality and they don't even care enough to be on-beat. Nobody even listens to more than :15 seconds of their songs Music is just content to spam to gain social media followers 5. Rap music specifically has sounded the same for approaching a decade. The same drums, same sounds, same ideas. How many times can you present the same song and expect people to react to it?
I believe it’s just that people’s attention spans aren’t that long anymore. We’re living in a time where tv and radio isn’t that entertaining now. We have podcasts, we have social media, we have social networks. We’re more into putting our energy into real people now. In real time. Away from the game being over saturated, people no longer see mfz as celebrities. And it’s not just about rap music/hip hop. It’s all genres. You gotta have a cult effect with whatever you do these days.
Why doesn't the INDUSTRY just do what the OGs did. Let the people DECIDE what they wanna HEAR and allow room for LONG and SHORT TERM CAREERS. It's really that SIMPLE. 🤷♂
I miss life before podcasts and streaming, AI and filters. Music was so much more fun with Sam Goody's and Camelot Music, MTV and Robert Johnson's BET shows like Video Soul, Midnight Love and Rap City.
Until Black ppl start going back to church joining choirs and putting their kids on instruments like we did in the 90s back …music will be trash . It’s gonna take the soul from the black church to save music Most music today has the same bpms and vibe to fit within playlists . I can’t tell one artist from the next for the most part because most of it is soulless
To say music is trash is a damn lie. Its the distributors. Despite being digital, music is still costly to make especially to make it quality from the actual music to the packaging, presentation, promo and all.
The product is trash. Only lyricist or over the top entertainers that get that label push actually sell records. Look at the rappers who can actually get a #1 album in the last few years… Kendrick - lyricist. Tyler - lyricist. Pusha T - lyricist. Cole - lyricist. Eminem - lyricist. Travis Scott - Biggest Entertainer in current generation. Drake - Biggest Pop Star in Rap history. Kanye - GOAT level Entertainer. Nicki - Biggest female Entertainer / Pop Star in Rap. You can count on one hand how many actually few break this mold: Future, Gunna, 21 Savage, Lil Durk. Thassit. Everybody else is not sellin’ no records like that. Maybe Young Thug, NBA Youngboy. But, NONE of the NEW artists. Even the industry plants like Sexy Red or Ice Spice. They can’t even sell more records than Freddie Gibbs lol
The reason music isn’t selling is because the fans have caught on that it’s a hustle and artist aren’t putting in their real heart and soul into their music. They’re doing it for profit and they’re forced and everything is so sketchy. It’s hard to trust what’s genuine and what’s not nobody wants to be fooled
Podcasts shit on music and musicians for hours for content and wonder why music ain’t selling ppl listening to the internet before listening to projects I know it sounds crazy but that’s what’s going on
Why can't we just say it, today's music is garbage. And it has been for at least 20 years. And we're talking across-the-board, Taylor Swift is the biggest pop star right now but her music is terrible. The music industry is just not extraordinary anymore🤷🏿
Most hip hop music today has no substance or creativity. No one really stands out anymore, everyone looks the same, everyone’s flow, beats, style is pretty much the same and everybody sayin the same thing in every song just in different ways. No one makes cool music videos anymore, also no one cares about making well thought out quality albums anymore
I have a question for you all. Since Ian Dunlap thinks he's the greatest investor alive.....HAVE ANY OF YOU ever seen him execute a live trade? HAVE ANY OF YOU ever seen his trading statements to see his gains and losses???
Majority artists sounds the same, it's not about the art but about the money, and streaming has everyone an opportunity to release music so it is oversaturated
Why do they parallel Hit music with fast food??? Making a Hit is the hardest part of music. Cuz u have to craft your sound into something appealing to the masses
As a hip hop fan hip hop is not what it used to be. These Artist be releasing music too much back to back. We haven’t even digested the first song you released. And let’s not get on r&b music. It used to be about love now it’s all about toxicity. There’s no growth in music now. The 90’s and the early 2000’s had the best era of music. It was authentic and full of artist who was actually talented. Plus no social media to ruin things. We just used to enjoy the music.
The music business is just a gateway into other things, the labels dont sell music they sell everything else that comes from it. For hip-hop it was the popular genre for a while and now its time for a change, it happens every couple of decades
The major record labels have no interest in working with mid-tier and below acts. The labels have noticed how much easy money is made once you create a superstar. You only need to provide the budget to hire the hottest songwriters and producers at the moment and they will succeed. So when they have a lower-tier act like Ari lennox they give her bloated budgets(that she can't recoup) hoping she will pop like Summer Walker, H.E.R, or SZA. In the past they would see someone like Jasmine Sullivan doing well and put Ari on that path. Labels just have no interests in putting in the work. Are we supposed to believe that artists like 38 Spesh, Ransom, etc can make good money doing it independently but labels can find a way to make Wale profitable? They aren't trying.
But tell why haven't the record labels found the new Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion then? When you talk about about how much money is to be made when you create a superstar is partly right, BUT the labels in 2024 DON'T want to hire the top producers and songwriters. The best female singers had songs from Diane Warren and producers like David Foster and Walter Afansieff, they charge hundreds of thousands per song, and charge for using big studios with real drums, choirs and live strings and horn sections. The major labels DO NOT want to spend, they want average rappers and singers, they can sign and drop quickly.
This is a streaming issue, not a quality issue. I listen to other genres, not just rap, and their has been a lot of great music to release this year. I can't afford to spend money on 6,7,8 different albums on top of my streaming service. Artists need to have a 2 week purchase only option to get fans to buy music again.
Parks got it right. It's a numbers game. Music is getting smarter. With the streaming platform, I can see who's selling not by just spins but also per person. If I see you getting repeated spins by the same couple of people. I am not putting a lot of money behind you. If I compare you to someone like a Kendrick, I see you wouldn't move a lot of units. That saves me a lot of money trying to sell you to everybody. Music used to be shopped to everybody. That's how music companies lose a lot of money. The movie industry better hurry and do this soon. They lose millions by the boat load on movies they can't sell.
Further, the fast-food comparison is moot. A chef is not making McDonalds food. A chef is making food that patrons will come back to eat because of care put into it.
Yep it's not the music quality it's a lot of us spending hours a day listening to content over music...after a few pods on top of a cue of interviews how much time is possibly left in a day for music
@@geraldjordan6419 Why are you concerned about who they pushing tho? I don’t get this logic ? It’s thousands of artist out there that I’m sure you can find that fits ur taste but it sounds like you mad they ain’t pushing who you want them to push and dats yall internet lames because music is free and u whining about free music
This is why there are NO YOUNG MEN singing in Soul and R&B, what is going on? Men who want to sing in 2024 don't have the systems, structures and support that they did in 2004. Usher and Donell Jones had LaFace and Arista Records/BMG behind them. Boys II Men had Motown/Polygram/Universal. Ginuwine was on Epic Records/Sony Music. Keith Sweat had Elektra Records/Warner Music. SWV were on RCA/BMG. All of them were signed to Soul & R&B DIVISIONS. Once the labels shut down the Black music divisions, it was over! That's why so many young Black men are rapping, it's the only way to get into music, with a little bit of talent. While young women are doing singing in Pop, R&B, Country, Rap and Neo-Soul, they're marketable and popular with other women and gay fans. Record companies are not doing what they are supposed to and Spotify is a cancer on the industry.
I’m still putting my heart and soul into the music and I actually put thought into my projects it’s not super cohesive like Kendrick but it still has a solid theme lyrically or sonically
Why old heads act like the music was so good. They didn’t have internet so you didn’t know if it was ass if you only heard it in your city. Music goes everywhere in which would not connect with everyone.
Also to the original point we had radio and music TV channels to hear some of it and reviews. Don't think everything started with the internet, it just makes it more accessible that's all.
It’s better for society to be honest; the music has no value! If you look back, there was always a variety of good R&B, hip-hop, etc. Now it’s shooting this (by a perdón who in real life is like 5’7, or shake your but to this ( but no one really wants to be with someone like that long term), people are coming to their senses. Look how they used music for the election, and look at what happened. Let's send our kids to college or trade school, normalize having a family, and be decent people.
Music isn't selling as well because the industry is importing all these artists from other countries and Americans ain't really feeling it. The immigrant population in America isn't large enough to support all this Afro/Euro inspired music. The music industry is trying to do what the tech and manufacturing industry did and that's import cheap labor. You can do that with call centers. You can do that when all your making is socks or car parts. You can't do that with music. Music is culture. Whether other countries wanna admit it or not America has its own distinct culture. We've become accustomed to our music sounding a certain way and achieving a certain goal. And because most of these newer artists are first or second generation immigrants they can't capture the vibe that traditional Americans have come to love about the music we produce. The proof of what I'm saying is true. Look at record sales of supposedly American artists. They double in other countries. These new immigrant artists sell out arenas in Europe, Australia and Africa. But be having to cancel tours from low ticket sales here in America . Same artists are huge in Europe and Africa. In America don't nobody wanna hear that sh!t. The music industry catering to global success is killing sales in the U.S. And here's the kicker. Most countries only think things are hot if Americans particularly (black Americans) think it's hot. If black Americans ain't vibing to your music. You're gonna have a tough time getting the rest of the world to. Taylor Swift is an anomaly. For the most part she's the great wyte hope of the industry. Everyone else has to get the Urban stamp of approval that you can only get from black Americans to be hugely successful and sad to say this current music just doesn't speak to black Americans the way the music spoke to us in the 60s,70s,80s and 90s. It's like this Euro pop,K-Pop and Afro beats are being shoved down our throats and it's not working on a scale big enough to make an impact in America. Sure there's pockets of K-Pop fans and Afro beats fans here in the U.S. But those pockets of fans aren't enough to support an entire industry yet the industry seems to be hell bent on going in that direction and they're suffering for it.
It's both the artists and listeners fault. Artists all rap about the same bs with the same flow with the same beats. N listeners don't care bc they just wanna twerk n make tiktoks. The evidence of that is ppl calling* Kendrick boring more n more over the past 5 yrs. Ppl have gotten away from artistry and just want fast food shake dat ass pill poppin music. 123 ABC ass lyrics. Especially younger new rappers. The whole album be basically one long ass song.
It's a lot of issues: 1. People aren't buying physical copies any long, which makes most music listeners not invested into the musicians. If I can listen to a whole album on TH-cam, for FREE, then why should I care about their sales. 2. Pushing singles to stream & touring off those songs are way better than trying to put a whole project out that was made within a year. People can forget about you in a split second. 3. It's too much music to consume for free, too. Back then, you're lucky to hear certain songs outside of USA, but now, American musicians are now competing to be heard because now the world has caught up & pushing numbers much bigger than US-bred musicians. Overall, welcome to digital globalization.
Back in the day we had CDs and rappers were selling 1 million hard copy that was the goal so you get good quality music. Now I give you a three minute song of me yelling or mumbling and try to pull it off to the consumer as quality music people don’t go for that. I’ll just stream your music. Call it trash and keep it moving.
@@NoFadaway brah maybe dat music just ain’t for you tho and I’ll like YB but I wouldn’t call him trash cause ion listen to him but da 40 and up crowd wanna trash da younger artist cause u can’t relate to they music when u ain’t supposed to be able to relate to it cause it’s not ur generation but wanna shid on da younger generation cause did listen to ya parents music
Damn near 800 episodes. How many conversations can you have about streams and sales??? And if you do have them, how about we hear from someone that's currently in the music business and not from someone who hasn't been in it for like 20 years.
American culture is in a bad place when we are saying openly that we are ok with being a fast-food mentality society. We have become mental slaves who worship money and anyone who has access to it. Very little talk about ART in this conversation. Everyone just seems to be about their own ego and getting enough "numbers" so they can win in the comparison gossip circles.
Main problems nowadays are that these songs are just something hot for Social Media like IG Shorts or some silly Tik-Tok dance. Also Blame the XXL Freshman classes. The 2018 List was so bad most don't even Rap anymore where Is Bloc-Boy JB? Lil Pump? Even Some Purrp? Trippie Redd? Wifis Funeral? Even Bhad Bhabbie(Ca$h Me Outside) Made the list like really? Also what happened to Ski Mask The Slump? That whole list was awful. I just listen to 90's-2010's Rap songs. Not anything new. All the Radio play Is Mulatto,Sexy Redd and Kendrick and Glorilla all day. SMH.
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 brah just find someone that U like listening to cause u ain’t gotta listen to those artist u named tho 🤦🏾♂️ u da consumer has control of who u listen to cause it’s weird yall whining about free music when you can literally not listen to it
For one reason or another, they just aren't making shit like 10-15 years ago. Drake and Kendrick put more work building those damn diss tracks than most artists do for their entire albums. Should be the other way around
Well, you gotta put in effort into Diss Tracks for them to land regardless
Because people are putting out garbage that no one wants to pay for. And you have conditioned the audience to expect free streaming.
How old are you? I’m asking cause JB crowd is older and quick to call music by 20 year olds trash just because they can’t relate to it 🤦🏾♂️ and da YG ain’t complaining about music is always da older demographic
@purrfitazitgetz3365 Fam. They JUST explained it. The newer artists don’t even ATTEMPT to make good albums now. I don’t blame a lot of them, they don’t know how because it’s not expected anymore. The mixtape/playlist approach isn’t the same as the album approach. A mixtape is the project equivalent of a freestyle. I got a whole bunch of tracks with no connecting subjects, themes, etc. and I’m not really talking about nothing. Cole and Kendrick still do that so they still sell and are critically praised.
@@dawb86 ok and my comeback again is the “Youth” doesn’t care because dat formula now is dated to them and also this podcast everyone is over the age of 40 so it’s a lot of biased opinions about the younger artist who music again isn’t for the 40 age demographic because youth culture is consumed with social media and right now
@@dawb86 example j Cole is ranked 108 in da world in steaming but gunna is 98th future is # 40 and 21 savage is #58 so this podcast also lies about j Cole being the “ biggest” when he’s obviously NOT based off Spotify which is the #1 music streaming app and gives artist rankings
@@dawb86 maybe the music JUST isn’t for you is what I’m saying and people complaining about free music irks my nerves because just find an artist that suits ur style? Why complain about music u don’t have to listen to ? Nobody forcing anyone to listen to anything and music been in the hands of the consumers for over a decade BUT What people whining about is other people aren’t listening to what I want them to listen to
“You are not a rapper/singer, you are a content creator”
Every industry has technical specialists who get pay top premium for their skill yet, Real “Human made” music takes hours upon hours to make and, the Music industry has us artist at the bottom of food chain. The majority of musicians dislike this medium (the internet), yet according to our society, it is now the only way to “consume” and “promote” music.
The real question is Why? Why not revolt against this system? The answer is that You can’t. You can’t even put down your phone.
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You said it perfectly well as an artist. Sometimes we gotta create content around our music in order for people to listen to it. Now it’s like we literally have to be both or you will die out with nothing but ideas
That hit deep 😮
So how do you adapt to that then? Life keeps going evolve with it
Physical sales are gone. Just diversify and accept it. Make good music, sell merch, do shows, do PA'S,
Lol they on a Podcast asking why people aren't giving as much of their time, effort, and attention to music. IT'S THIS!!! All the new forms of content. I rarely put on music when I hop in the car. I put podcast on. There are so many more types of ways to spend your time these days that didn't exist when I was a kid. All the different streaming services, gaming, is on a crazy level as far as quality. They release whole seasons of shows in an instant. All the different social media platforms are spending millions to capture our attention. It is a new landscape, and musicians are going to have to adjust to it
I was gonna say this as well. Would sometimes rather listen to a podcast on jog/walk than music playlist. And listen to talk radio in the car.
I think though if music had concepts and the variety and social commentary of the podcasts. People would listen to music a lot more
If the music was good padcast would take the back seat. Music is trash period. The consumer has the attention span of a gnat. The labels are pushing anyone speaking destruction and negativity. The kids are selling out because they’re trying to eat.
@@jmass3738 thiss cause u nailed it cause we didn’t have all dese different forms of entertainment
Well said 🎯🎯🎯
Talk radio has always been a thing for adults
I keep saying it, social media ruined music. It’s all content creation. & the fact that “regional music” no longer exist, there’s no variety. Ppl in one area of the world trynna sound like someone from another.. trash
Yep regional sounds are dead sadly
Its simple yall keep promoting boring industry rappers.
Wake it up. Nobody wanna hear “He don’t want the baby then don’t keep it” evertime we turn the car on💀
People don't buy music. Unless you're a super fan or music head, you're streaming or hitting TH-cam. Music is a devalued commodity which is why even the most successful artists are all diversified in other avenues. Outside of live performances, its more of the tool to other arenas. The streaming splits need to change or thats it for music sales in my opinion.
Realistically for what you get Spotify and
Apple music should cost more and it's worth the value.
As a consumer, I’m not paying for individual albums on top of a monthly streaming fee.
Lack of youth development is the reason, XXL freshman list falling off is so slept on, it’s where a lot of bubbling artists see a huge boost in eyes. That plus the lack of talent in who the labels are choosing to push. Ian for example got smelled out for being inauthentic and a plant. Fans are smarter nowadays and can smell a label pushing someone in they face.
After the 2017 Freshman class I stopped paying attention to it. Most the 2017 and 2018 Class isn't doing anything. Where Is Bloc-Boy JB? Trippie Redd or Smokepurrp? Even Bhadd Bhabbie(Cash Me Outside) Made the list and now she doesn't even Rap anymore.
@ trippie is one of those guys who has his audience and his only trying to reach them at this point, which is honestly the play for longevity nowadays. It’s hard being the unicorn artist who appeals to the mainstream and still have a core audience.
@@Diovolente but Ian never blew up and again yall speaking on TH-cam rappers dat outside of TH-cam nobody never heard of dem cause Ian ain’t touring or doing shows he just a TH-cam rapper
It’s boils down to music quality. Labels aren’t investing as much time and effort in developing artists and it shows in the music quality
Simple: modern music industry is just a numbers game. Short catchy tracks that drive up streams quickly 🤷♂️
If an artist comes out with a style that brings in revenue fast then the label with either blatantly or subtly mold the signed artists to follow suit
thats how its always been
Facts. And it's feast or famine with these labels. Either you blow up and be a superstar or you're a liability.
@@hennyknows Yeah sort of but not really back in the day when Artist dropped an album the whole year the would shortly drop videos for it. Nowadays it's just something to trend on silly IG Shorts or Tik-Tok dances. Rappers with Bars can't shine nowadays but Rappers like Future,Soulja Boy and Sexy Redd can.
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 don’t disrespect future cause dude makes good music dat people can relate to and honestly da same wid sexy red , cause her music is relatable and dats whad dese so called spitters don’t understand and BUN B said it best you can be da best rapper in da room BUT also da most un relatable rapper in da room
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 rappers with bars can’t shine cause they can’t make good music 🤦🏾♂️ and wen yall bring up bars cause everyone know someone that has good bars but doesn’t mean they can make relatable music
To me is crazy that someone like ab soul is still in “starving artist mode” despite being heard millions of times. When id say the idea of when you started to make music was to just be heard. So artist are being heard millions upon millions of time yet still not making the money. It’s crazy to me
There no build up to the projects , no development of the artists public persona and the internet is used to tear artist down . Our superheroes have become too accessible .
@@Jbizzy47 u nailed it and I agree wid you how u have randoms on TH-cam wid large platforms dat can tear artist down and make narratives about dem
@purrfitazitgetz3365facts. There hurting industry
When a person like Freddie Gibbs puts an album out and its the album year. You don’t even mention it. To busy focusing on beef
💯. Quality albums are too much work for little reward in the streaming age
Because labels aren't pushing talent they're pushing bullshit repetitive music with lack of substance us people are tired of hearing it
@@geraldjordan6419 dude it’s thousands of artist just find one dat fits ya style it ain’t hard
Doechii performances and music is amazing
She's alright but they pushing her too much. She's just alright.
@ I just saw her on the late show and I never seen a performance like that
@@SonofAGunFrom410opened my spotify & saw her face everywhere, smh
@@oscardagrouch5095 did u know she choreographed it herself in 4 days??!!? Bro she’s determined to be the next It girl
@ They had to put in a lot of work for that performance. Did you see Stephen Colbert’s face? It was just original.
Because 1250 paid streams equal 1 album sale! So when an artist does 15k the first week now, it actually means 18,750,000 streams…
@@realkingreco I don’t know dawg everyone trying to figure out how much a stream is but I’m sure we wouldn’t never know cause every artist pro getting paid differently for their streams tho cause a top artist stream can’t be da same as lesser known artist
Back in the day we had 106 & Park, Rap City, Yo MTV Raps, TRL and other outlets that broke new artist to the world. If you enjoyed mainstream rap, you had 106&Park. If you want top 40 type hits you had TRL. If you wanted to listen to the tier 2 rappers (Jada, Method Man, UGK, 36 Mafia etc) you had Rap City and MTV Raps. If you wanted r&b, alternative r&b or neo soul, you had midnight love. Artist actually had a better chance because variety was king.
Today we don't have true hip hop platforms that are concerned about the artist and the music. Prime example is the outlet here. The Joe Budden podcast and many others like have become too opinionated and invested in conflict. Their entire worth is based on the negativity is shines a light on and not the music. The world is full of talented artist but who's going to bring them to us. Who with a large platform is going to consistently introduce the world to newer/innovative artist and keep it strictly about the music. If we can get back to keeping the celebrity a mystery but the music a celebrity, the music game will bounce back.
Get the singers and rappers on prime time TV and late night TV as well. You need dedicated TV shows to showcase LIVE Music with instruments. It doesn't matter how many performances you do online even like NPR's Tiny Desk. Prime Time TV, especially on a weekend, beats them all. If Middle America is talking about your performances on a Saturday evening family show, then you've made it...
@@matthewprince9705 Agreed. Problem is, labels have abandoned artist development. Sad to say that a lot of these hip hop artist can't go sit on a couch and have an interesting convo with someone with the world watching. They just don't have the media training anymore.
Bcuz y’all treating the shyt like a popularity contest instead of promoting. Actual talent
Most of the music is not good enough to purchase.
THAT TOO i was just having this conversation months back with someone Let's say we rewind to like the 2000s where yes there was Bootleg CDs but people still used CDs primarily you still went to the record store, best buy wherever u went listen I was young during them times So my folks handled all that but
If your in Best Buy or wherever and you see Kendrick GNX vs Sexy Redd with no streaming 9x out of 10 there going with Kendrick not me being biased but who's gonna pay $14-$15 to hear Sexy Redd say cat in the hat ass rhymes vs Kendrick who's music actually means something Most these newer artist i hate to say it albums aren't worth buying like who wants to hear a whole CD of pound town all day shit I know I wouldn't because when I asked the person I had that convo with would they they said HELL NO🤣 Answered my Question
I'd buy a Lil Durk, G Herbo (Old G Herbo like Welcome To Fazoland, Ballin Like Im Kobe, Humble Beast, Swervo and PTSD), Polo G first two albums, Cordae, Juice WRLD, ScHoolboy Q, Jay Rock, King Von, JID, Joey Bada$$, Denzel Curry, Future, Travis Scott etc. because they actually put out good shit Anything post 2022 i won't lie to you i've tuned out now I either play shit from my Parents time 80s and 90s My time 2000s-2010s or shit from 2020-2022 on occasion Hell NGL some of these artist i've bought albums from some of them already
But yeah your point is valid just thought i'd expand on it because It's crazy how I literally had this convo w abt this with someone back in like March-April
Hip hop and labels are pushing or signing new artists. That simple; and the people who can give artist love aren’t looking to push upcoming artists
Honestly music isn't selling especially hip hop because they treated like a hustle and of actually having talent and putting time and creativity into their music the one thing about today that I like is people from anywhere in the world can become famous but back in the day that wasn't the case there were Gatekeepers and that's why the quality of music was different just couldn't some anybody from their basement upload music to the world even though today that can be a cool thing
@@klubmember960 thiss cause I agree wid ya homie on da gatekeeping and @
First I was against it but wen you see artist like da Indian dude stealing project par flow it makes u mad
Plus their no longer regional type of music specially in hip hop and r&b definitely in television shows plus ain’t no real r&b producers like teddy Riley babyface and la Reid Jimmy jam and terry lewis Al b sure and Kyle west Denzil Foster Thomas McElroy Dave hall dj Eddie f Devante swing nobody don’t wanna be a artist or the fanbase doesn’t want real singers mcs or groups
It's dying because it doesn't have more authentic artists like myself.
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I rarely listen to mainstream hiphop to me it died along time ago. Underground rap is where it is at
Artist who've been in the industry for a few years are selling. Newer artists music isn't good and nobody is buying it or falling for it anymore.
Money money money music ain’t worth the time anymore unless you got money and time I gotta pay bills ima be working 12s forever music won’t work out
These days I rather listen to audiobooks and podcasts than music. So repetitive
its streams. lol. who’s buying a whole album for 14$ when you can stream whatever you want for 9.99$ a month. streaming also creates oversaturation because it’s filled with independent artists.
Yep it's not the music quality it's a lot of us spending hours a day listening to content over music...after a few pods on top of a cue of interviews how much time is possibly left in a day for music
The problem is and always been the INDUSTRY! Why don't these artists (particularly Hip-Hop) have a higher percentage of royalties in the sales and streaming? Why are artists still signing 360° deals??? Why haven't anyone took what Prince, Master P, or Damon Dash has been speaking on for years into consideration? Which is OWNERSHIP!!! Develop your own website and build a app with it. And sale and stream your own content. The labels are only in it for the money and to push destructive music to the youth. Time to abandon the majors and all music to be independently sold by the musicians themselves 💯
This conversation in itself is the problem. The people don’t demand better from artists, the artists are here just to get in the door & the labels want a quick return on investment. And everybody is OK with that? I understand getting the bag but don’t sit there and complain that people don’t want to support & buy the music if all you’re going to do is give them fast food. Yes McDonald’s is successful, but no one eats their food and thinks wow I really love that. They are eating it because it’s convenient fast and cheap. If you want to be fast food, then you’ll be treated like fast food. Simple.
Ll Cool J album is good. Snoop and Dre album is good.. Slim Thug put out a good project
Slim thug yes the other 2 naw bra😭
@Dipset415 what's wrong?. Did u hear they stuff , or u just judging cuz they "old"?
@@lewjones3 I listened to both and cubes new album and the mount westmore album💯E-40 still got it but he always been active them other cats been out the game for too long and it sounds like it🤷🏿♂️
@@lewjones3 a lot of those productions on snoop album sound like they were meant for
Eminem And people online lowkey won’t keep it 100
Those guys are like Uncles now. Nobody's checking for their music. LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg are actors to Gen Z and most MIllennials. That single LL did, "Proclivities" with Saweetie was embarrassing with a questionable music video.
Ish wants Drake to win so bad
I was thinking the same.
I mean some of them did say that they're in it for the money but the 00s era somewhat taught them "money over everything"
It feels like less actual artist and more people who chase money via music. Artistry > Hits
Like anything, major music is about making money. Capitalism is about shareholders and cutting fat to make more money for the sake of making more money. The music industry now feels like it’s being driven by profit instead of making good music. It’s cookie cutter. Doesn’t matter if a person is actually talented…. Are they marketable? That’s more important.
Musically, across the board, the USA have been in a steep decline in musical talent, staring about 30 years ago. Where are the James Browns, Sammy Davis Jrs, Princes, Micheal Jacksons, Louis Jordans, TinaTurners, ertha kitts,
@SilFord-o9f Y'all don't live with the music like that anymore. Back then an album could have a slow buildup and live for years. Whitney Houston's debut album was released in February 1985. She was still dropping singles from it over a year later. MJ would be dropping singles from albums he did two years prior. That was when we actually bought music. Also, you can't really have superstars like we did in the 80s anymore.
Y'all insulting the NEW BLACK intelligencia. STYLE AND SUBSTANCE IS THE NEW URBAN VIBRATION.
1. There's 1000x the supply of music to the demand for it
100k new songs get uploaded to Spotify per day
2. Major labels are so risk averse that they only promote the most uninteresting music thinking it's going to maximize their investment, but it just causes diminishing returns
3. Big tech companies like Google and Spotify completely control:
A. music taste-making; B. the finances of the music industry
Meaning: the same 10-15 major label artists make 90% of the money from streams
4. Because music has been free for their entire life, young artists place 0 value on music.
They don't value originality and they don't even care enough to be on-beat.
Nobody even listens to more than :15 seconds of their songs
Music is just content to spam to gain social media followers
5. Rap music specifically has sounded the same for approaching a decade.
The same drums, same sounds, same ideas.
How many times can you present the same song and expect people to react to it?
I believe it’s just that people’s attention spans aren’t that long anymore. We’re living in a time where tv and radio isn’t that entertaining now. We have podcasts, we have social media, we have social networks. We’re more into putting our energy into real people now. In real time. Away from the game being over saturated, people no longer see mfz as celebrities. And it’s not just about rap music/hip hop. It’s all genres. You gotta have a cult effect with whatever you do these days.
These are the conversations that we need to have. Artistry vs. Mass Production
Why doesn't the INDUSTRY just do what the OGs did. Let the people DECIDE what they wanna HEAR and allow room for LONG and SHORT TERM CAREERS.
It's really that SIMPLE.
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Cause all they do is make songs we can’t remember, no good choruses. I don’t even get excited to listen to most artists anymore
J Cole’s project during the summer did good numbers. At first it did 400,000 the first week then 137.95 million on-demand streams.
man Cole, Dot & Drake all got cult fanbases, they forever gonna sell crazy
I miss life before podcasts and streaming, AI and filters. Music was so much more fun with Sam Goody's and Camelot Music, MTV and Robert Johnson's BET shows like Video Soul, Midnight Love and Rap City.
Until Black ppl start going back to church joining choirs and putting their kids on instruments like we did in the 90s back …music will be trash . It’s gonna take the soul from the black church to save music
Most music today has the same bpms and vibe to fit within playlists . I can’t tell one artist from the next for the most part because most of it is soulless
I got soul
Because all we had left was the big 3 and then Kendrick got rid of two of them lol now hiphop is dying.
I appreciate Ice always wearing my favorite rappers clothing line… “ Long Live Nipsey Tha Great” TMC 4 EVA 💪🏾👑💙🏁🤲🏾
To say music is trash is a damn lie. Its the distributors. Despite being digital, music is still costly to make especially to make it quality from the actual music to the packaging, presentation, promo and all.
I wish ppl on this pod would stop saying music is trash without naming names.
When music is presented on the show they don’t say it’s trash.
The product is trash. Only lyricist or over the top entertainers that get that label push actually sell records. Look at the rappers who can actually get a #1 album in the last few years…
Kendrick - lyricist.
Tyler - lyricist.
Pusha T - lyricist.
Cole - lyricist.
Eminem - lyricist.
Travis Scott - Biggest Entertainer in current generation.
Drake - Biggest Pop Star in Rap history.
Kanye - GOAT level Entertainer.
Nicki - Biggest female Entertainer / Pop Star in Rap.
You can count on one hand how many actually few break this mold: Future, Gunna, 21 Savage, Lil Durk. Thassit. Everybody else is not sellin’ no records like that. Maybe Young Thug, NBA Youngboy. But, NONE of the NEW artists. Even the industry plants like Sexy Red or Ice Spice. They can’t even sell more records than Freddie Gibbs lol
Musicians should get 10 cents for a stream.
The reason music isn’t selling is because the fans have caught on that it’s a hustle and artist aren’t putting in their real heart and soul into their music. They’re doing it for profit and they’re forced and everything is so sketchy. It’s hard to trust what’s genuine and what’s not nobody wants to be fooled
Podcasts shit on music and musicians for hours for content and wonder why music ain’t selling ppl listening to the internet before listening to projects I know it sounds crazy but that’s what’s going on
People need to chill on Doechii. Shes alright, shes mot the next rap messiah.😂
Why can't we just say it, today's music is garbage. And it has been for at least 20 years. And we're talking across-the-board, Taylor Swift is the biggest pop star right now but her music is terrible. The music industry is just not extraordinary anymore🤷🏿
People say that music is a young man’s game but the youth don’t have money. 30 and up have the money and we don’t want to hear hot garbage
Most hip hop music today has no substance or creativity. No one really stands out anymore, everyone looks the same, everyone’s flow, beats, style is pretty much the same and everybody sayin the same thing in every song just in different ways. No one makes cool music videos anymore, also no one cares about making well thought out quality albums anymore
People like Joe Budden endorse artists like Ice Spice then wonder why hip hop is finished
I have a question for you all. Since Ian Dunlap thinks he's the greatest investor alive.....HAVE ANY OF YOU ever seen him execute a live trade? HAVE ANY OF YOU ever seen his trading statements to see his gains and losses???
For someone who has not made any type of music to call some trash is not respectful to the art form
Why are the consumers concerned about how much music is selling? That’s has nothing to do with us.
Majority artists sounds the same, it's not about the art but about the money, and streaming has everyone an opportunity to release music so it is oversaturated
Why do they parallel Hit music with fast food??? Making a Hit is the hardest part of music. Cuz u have to craft your sound into something appealing to the masses
It's dieing because the pursuit of "Getting the Bag" has taken precedence over making quality music.. Straight up..
The consumer has changed. Short attention span. Not taking time to dig in and actually understand the art. Just in to the next one.
artist know what's wrong with the industry and they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. also the industry knows every artist is expendable
As a hip hop fan hip hop is not what it used to be. These Artist be releasing music too much back to back. We haven’t even digested the first song you released. And let’s not get on r&b music. It used to be about love now it’s all about toxicity. There’s no growth in music now. The 90’s and the early 2000’s had the best era of music. It was authentic and full of artist who was actually talented. Plus no social media to ruin things. We just used to enjoy the music.
Summer Walker music is actually good
The music business is just a gateway into other things, the labels dont sell music they sell everything else that comes from it. For hip-hop it was the popular genre for a while and now its time for a change, it happens every couple of decades
The major record labels have no interest in working with mid-tier and below acts. The labels have noticed how much easy money is made once you create a superstar. You only need to provide the budget to hire the hottest songwriters and producers at the moment and they will succeed. So when they have a lower-tier act like Ari lennox they give her bloated budgets(that she can't recoup) hoping she will pop like Summer Walker, H.E.R, or SZA. In the past they would see someone like Jasmine Sullivan doing well and put Ari on that path. Labels just have no interests in putting in the work. Are we supposed to believe that artists like 38 Spesh, Ransom, etc can make good money doing it independently but labels can find a way to make Wale profitable? They aren't trying.
But tell why haven't the record labels found the new Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion then? When you talk about about how much money is to be made when you create a superstar is partly right, BUT the labels in 2024 DON'T want to hire the top producers and songwriters. The best female singers had songs from Diane Warren and producers like David Foster and Walter Afansieff, they charge hundreds of thousands per song, and charge for using big studios with real drums, choirs and live strings and horn sections. The major labels DO NOT want to spend, they want average rappers and singers, they can sign and drop quickly.
This is a streaming issue, not a quality issue. I listen to other genres, not just rap, and their has been a lot of great music to release this year. I can't afford to spend money on 6,7,8 different albums on top of my streaming service. Artists need to have a 2 week purchase only option to get fans to buy music again.
Two week option is solid idea. As music lover and artist so many songs on streaming. It’s like super buffet of music.
Parks got it right. It's a numbers game. Music is getting smarter. With the streaming platform, I can see who's selling not by just spins but also per person. If I see you getting repeated spins by the same couple of people. I am not putting a lot of money behind you. If I compare you to someone like a Kendrick, I see you wouldn't move a lot of units. That saves me a lot of money trying to sell you to everybody. Music used to be shopped to everybody. That's how music companies lose a lot of money. The movie industry better hurry and do this soon. They lose millions by the boat load on movies they can't sell.
It’s a cultural problem too. Because if most people cared, then numbers are going to be what they are regardless. A hit can still be artistic.
Further, the fast-food comparison is moot. A chef is not making McDonalds food. A chef is making food that patrons will come back to eat because of care put into it.
Because they're pushing trash and instead of the talent
Yep it's not the music quality it's a lot of us spending hours a day listening to content over music...after a few pods on top of a cue of interviews how much time is possibly left in a day for music
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Why are you concerned about who they pushing tho? I don’t get this logic ? It’s thousands of artist out there that I’m sure you can find that fits ur taste but it sounds like you mad they ain’t pushing who you want them to push and dats yall internet lames because music is free and u whining about free music
@purrfitazitgetz3365 I'm not the only one who thinks that and majority of music that comes out now a days is trash
This is why there are NO YOUNG MEN singing in Soul and R&B, what is going on? Men who want to sing in 2024 don't have the systems, structures and support that they did in 2004. Usher and Donell Jones had LaFace and Arista Records/BMG behind them. Boys II Men had Motown/Polygram/Universal. Ginuwine was on Epic Records/Sony Music. Keith Sweat had Elektra Records/Warner Music. SWV were on RCA/BMG. All of them were signed to Soul & R&B DIVISIONS. Once the labels shut down the Black music divisions, it was over! That's why so many young Black men are rapping, it's the only way to get into music, with a little bit of talent. While young women are doing singing in Pop, R&B, Country, Rap and Neo-Soul, they're marketable and popular with other women and gay fans. Record companies are not doing what they are supposed to and Spotify is a cancer on the industry.
Social media, podcasts and gaming killed the music industry.
I’m still putting my heart and soul into the music and I actually put thought into my projects it’s not super cohesive like Kendrick but it still has a solid theme lyrically or sonically
we have too much access to this subpar music, we don't need to buy it 🤷🏾♀️
Modern mainstream music is trash! Hip Hop is probably the worst music genre out today!
Absolutely
Why old heads act like the music was so good. They didn’t have internet so you didn’t know if it was ass if you only heard it in your city. Music goes everywhere in which would not connect with everyone.
You are definitely not even 21 yrs old saying that shit lol.
No the music was much better… the instrumentation and quality mattered to more than feeding the system.
That’s the problem. Y’all wait for validation from the internet to say if something is good or not
Also to the original point we had radio and music TV channels to hear some of it and reviews. Don't think everything started with the internet, it just makes it more accessible that's all.
Bless your little stupid heart 😂
Nothing's wrong with the music industry, The problem is artists are getting pimped by the streaming companies.
Develop the artist.
I’m developed
It’s better for society to be honest; the music has no value! If you look back, there was always a variety of good R&B, hip-hop, etc. Now it’s shooting this (by a perdón who in real life is like 5’7, or shake your but to this ( but no one really wants to be with someone like that long term), people are coming to their senses. Look how they used music for the election, and look at what happened. Let's send our kids to college or trade school, normalize having a family, and be decent people.
😡Streams killing everything especially artist money. Big x album did 62m streams but only 48k in album sales. How does that make sense...Sad 😢
Making music for streaming not the art is the problem
Music isn't selling as well because the industry is importing all these artists from other countries and Americans ain't really feeling it. The immigrant population in America isn't large enough to support all this Afro/Euro inspired music. The music industry is trying to do what the tech and manufacturing industry did and that's import cheap labor. You can do that with call centers. You can do that when all your making is socks or car parts. You can't do that with music. Music is culture. Whether other countries wanna admit it or not America has its own distinct culture. We've become accustomed to our music sounding a certain way and achieving a certain goal. And because most of these newer artists are first or second generation immigrants they can't capture the vibe that traditional Americans have come to love about the music we produce. The proof of what I'm saying is true. Look at record sales of supposedly American artists. They double in other countries. These new immigrant artists sell out arenas in Europe, Australia and Africa. But be having to cancel tours from low ticket sales here in America . Same artists are huge in Europe and Africa. In America don't nobody wanna hear that sh!t. The music industry catering to global success is killing sales in the U.S. And here's the kicker. Most countries only think things are hot if Americans particularly (black Americans) think it's hot. If black Americans ain't vibing to your music. You're gonna have a tough time getting the rest of the world to. Taylor Swift is an anomaly. For the most part she's the great wyte hope of the industry. Everyone else has to get the Urban stamp of approval that you can only get from black Americans to be hugely successful and sad to say this current music just doesn't speak to black Americans the way the music spoke to us in the 60s,70s,80s and 90s. It's like this Euro pop,K-Pop and Afro beats are being shoved down our throats and it's not working on a scale big enough to make an impact in America. Sure there's pockets of K-Pop fans and Afro beats fans here in the U.S. But those pockets of fans aren't enough to support an entire industry yet the industry seems to be hell bent on going in that direction and they're suffering for it.
Rap industry isn't dying financially if you can get a fanbase. The artistry of it maybe but bills have to be paid so whatever sells
As long as you loyal to your artist, you're good tbh
You can tell when Joe isnt there....Ice and Ish just talk over each other.
It's both the artists and listeners fault. Artists all rap about the same bs with the same flow with the same beats. N listeners don't care bc they just wanna twerk n make tiktoks. The evidence of that is ppl calling* Kendrick boring more n more over the past 5 yrs. Ppl have gotten away from artistry and just want fast food shake dat ass pill poppin music. 123 ABC ass lyrics. Especially younger new rappers. The whole album be basically one long ass song.
Too much damn music, its like 20 artists each day im still tryna finish albums that dropped months ago, oversaturated
Maybe the industry is dying but music is definitely living
It's a lot of issues:
1. People aren't buying physical copies any long, which makes most music listeners not invested into the musicians. If I can listen to a whole album on TH-cam, for FREE, then why should I care about their sales.
2. Pushing singles to stream & touring off those songs are way better than trying to put a whole project out that was made within a year. People can forget about you in a split second.
3. It's too much music to consume for free, too. Back then, you're lucky to hear certain songs outside of USA, but now, American musicians are now competing to be heard because now the world has caught up & pushing numbers much bigger than US-bred musicians.
Overall, welcome to digital globalization.
Back in the day we had CDs and rappers were selling 1 million hard copy that was the goal so you get good quality music. Now I give you a three minute song of me yelling or mumbling and try to pull it off to the consumer as quality music people don’t go for that. I’ll just stream your music. Call it trash and keep it moving.
@@NoFadaway brah maybe dat music just ain’t for you tho and I’ll like YB but I wouldn’t call him trash cause ion listen to him but da 40 and up crowd wanna trash da younger artist cause u can’t relate to they music when u ain’t supposed to be able to relate to it cause it’s not ur generation but wanna shid on da younger generation cause did listen to ya parents music
Damn near 800 episodes. How many conversations can you have about streams and sales??? And if you do have them, how about we hear from someone that's currently in the music business and not from someone who hasn't been in it for like 20 years.
Mane where is joe at…why they keep doing this…nobody wanna see them without him on the show
Need Joes perspective bad on these talks. Not bad but he just knows more
American culture is in a bad place when we are saying openly that we are ok with being a fast-food mentality society. We have become mental slaves who worship money and anyone who has access to it. Very little talk about ART in this conversation. Everyone just seems to be about their own ego and getting enough "numbers" so they can win in the comparison gossip circles.
Music has been trash…they all sound the same😂🗑️🗑️🗑️
Who you listen to
@@shynebayarea510it’s depends on who rappers and singers we are listening to nowadays bc the fanbase not demanding or nobody wants the artist anymore
"Lil Wayne" was McDonalds for a minute.😎
Main problems nowadays are that these songs are just something hot for Social Media like IG Shorts or some silly Tik-Tok dance. Also Blame the XXL Freshman classes. The 2018 List was so bad most don't even Rap anymore where Is Bloc-Boy JB? Lil Pump? Even Some Purrp? Trippie Redd? Wifis Funeral? Even Bhad Bhabbie(Ca$h Me Outside) Made the list like really? Also what happened to Ski Mask The Slump? That whole list was awful. I just listen to 90's-2010's Rap songs. Not anything new. All the Radio play Is Mulatto,Sexy Redd and Kendrick and Glorilla all day. SMH.
@@djalleyboygriffin4448 brah just find someone that U like listening to cause u ain’t gotta listen to those artist u named tho 🤦🏾♂️ u da consumer has control of who u listen to cause it’s weird yall whining about free music when you can literally not listen to it
Music isn't being sold. In fact, they're selling you everything but music.