It’s one of the dumbest tropes of Hollywood. All physical damage has to somehow show up on the bridge. Dumb dumb beyond retarded. It insults the intelligence. Unless there’s a direct hit to the bridge there should be zero damage there.
Worf on the Enterprise for 7 years: constantly having his suggestions ignored, week after week Worf on a Klingon ship for 5 minutes: "oh yes great idea!"
Kurn told him to get back to his post when he was suggesting they run from an earlier battle. It's isn't universal Usually when Worf does something he doesn't suggest, and Picard doesn't complain. When Worf is reacting in the standard way to an unusual situation, he gets rebuffed because his solution is the one that won't work.
And how the Klingon ship runs like a little wimp. At that point it was basically a 1 on 1 ship battle since Gowran's ship was too badly damaged to still fight. So you wouldn't expect a ship of a proud warrior race to run from that.
@@thegamecorner2275 It wasn't an ideal situation, but still not one I'd expect a Klingon ship to run away from when they had a chance to win the war right there.
To be fair the bird of prey was outflanked and had taken some minor damage for the Bortas already and as Kang once said “only a fool fights in a burning house”… Or maybe the commander was executed offscreen… either way…
"The Vortas has lost her port shield, sir. It is unlikely they will withstand another hit in that quarter." Vortas: *immediately withstands 3 more hits in that quarter*
The officer saying, "They were able to raise their shields!" is the most human-sounding Klingon in the entire franchise. He sounds like someone's buddy calling to say he got the pizzas and will be there in five minutes. I love it.
I used to think that title belonged to B'iJik, but you may be right. When Picard asks the Klingon empire to lend him a cloaked ship, the bureaucrat sent to get rid of him.
@@Kazuo1G It's not the English. Listen to the way Worf and Gowron talk. Listen to the way MOST Klingons talk. That dude just doesn't sound like he's a Klingon. He sounds like a human in Klingon LARP.
Captain Kurn saved their lives and played a major role in keeping the Klingon empire from collapsing. It's totally not fair that he gets very little mention as a Klingon hero...and Worf knows this.
well ds9 shows what a happened kinda... he is rewarded heavily for aiding gowron , then has everything stripped away when worf sides with the federation over the klingons in the brief civil war, he then trys to kill himself so worf wipes his memory and tricks him into thinking he is another klingons son, after that when worf has his status restored in the empire it isnt mention what happened to kurn
Picard made the hard choice to withdraw. He was right: acting would have drawn the Federation into the (potential) conflict. Even when Riker checks him with “What about Lt Worf?”.
In Picard, people act like Picard and the crew of the Enterprise were renegade cowboys who took the law into their own hands, but Picard was the definition of by-the-book. It wasn’t until the movies when he did anything blatantly rebellious. And even then, he still tried to uphold the spirit of the law, if not the letter.
Just think about it for a second. Had Kurn not arrived to save Gowron, then his ship would have likely been destroyed. Had that happened, the Civil War would have gone to The Duras and as a result, we would of seen The Khitomer Accord's fall and a new alliance between Klingons and Romulans. A literal nightmare for The Federation. Picard's decision to leave Gowron could have quite literally sealed The Federations fate. So many times in Trek do we see the stubborn decisions to stick to Federation "Morality" literally spell doom for their entire society only for them to survive by what ultimately amounts to pure luck and or actual defiance of those morals.
The Romulan Klingon alliance would have defeated the Federation. Then the Borg would have returned and the Romulans would have left the Klingons to be assimilated. In a short time they would be fighting a losing battle to the Borg. The Dominion would have come through the worm hole saw what was happening and got the hell out of the Alpha quadrant. The Bejoran would have followed the Dominion through the worm hole to escape, then the being in the worm hole would close it off to keep them safe.
I like how Picard chose not to take the Federation into a Klingon Civil War but Federation Captains in Star Trek Online? Full speed ahead into the fire. lol
Lets be clear here, player Starfleet captains are basically murder hobos in pretty dresses. It always made the terran empire so weird. They were supposed to be the evil version of US. But compare our track record....
While the captain made the right decision, thankfully things worked out such that Gowron was able to defeat the remaining insurrectionist. If it had gone the other way, the federation there may have likely still been a war with the Klingons and, possibly, the Romulans.
This is sort of why I hate Gowron in DS9: Two sons of Mogh and a Federation Captain made him chancellor and yet eight years later and he's like "Fuck the Federation and fuck the Sons of Mogh!"
Gowron was established as an ungrateful fuck almost immediately in Unification part 1 where he refuses to speak to Picard and excluded the Federation fleet from Klingon history during the Civil War. Gowron was also clearly slightly unhinged with those eyes, oh god thoss eyes
@@KaiserFranzJosefI You're right, and Worf sniffed it out right from the beginning. But it gave us one of the best Picard best "I am the man" moments when he told B'iJik "very well, tell Gowron...leader of the High Klingon council...." well, I'm sure you know the rest.
Worf is a traitor to the eyes of the Klingon Empire and rightly so. I'm not talking about what happen at Khitomer but the fact he is a klingon serving the humans pujwI! His brother Kurn is far better, at least a real Klingon not a maghwl like his brother.
@@carcajou1018 Easy there kiddo...relax! It's just silly sci-fi. These are only actors made up to look like Klingons and Romulans etc etc none of this is real. Edit: And no one was really hurt either.
IIRC, that was how Robert O'Reilly got the role; he decided to make Gowron look slightly unhinged by bulging his eyes. The producers loved that look for the character.
At 3:05, Kurn's ship fires on a bird of prey that is cloaking with its shields still up. As has been long established in canon, ships have to drop their shields in order to cloak, ships can't put their shields up while cloaked, and being fired upon while cloaked temporarily drops the cloak. What this illustrates is that Star Trek has always played a little loose with some of the finer points of Canon, and we shouldn't get too upset by these small oversights, or try too hard to create headcanon that one of the attacking ships was testing out some kind of new and improved cloaking technology.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 fair, but I don't really think the rules needed to be bent or broken here. Other than maybe a slight easing of tension, I don't think it would have changed much if Kern's ship had successfully blown up or damaged the cloaking ship.
Since there is no scientific explanation ( that's real) how shields work it could be residual energy remaining for a few seconds once they deactivated. It could be enough to hold for a shot or two as seen in the scene before the shields vanish on their own. Or it could have just been a nice visual they wanted to have, screw internal logic 😉
2:45 its funny to hear a klingon with just a regular sounding voice. That guy didn't sound like a powerful klingon warrior at all. He sounded like Fred from accounting
What is stupid is no Engineer would by design route high energy through control panels, you use low energy, to switch high power Energy Relays, so no control Panel could ever injure anyone by exploding.
What I like best are the fast, rapid and hectic manoeuvres of the ships. The only thing that was more exciting for me were the two shell snails on my driveway that I was able to observe once. For hours, I had time, I was on holiday.
I know that next generation cost over a million dollars an episode probably early on in the series, but it always drove me insane that people in the middle of a battle fire like they were paying by the shot. Proton torpedoes should have been popping off every two or three seconds...
When this first came on decades ago I thought, this would make a great side series. ST KCW. Some characters we already know, some we are introduced to, heroes, villains, intrigue, battles, near victories, near defeats, Klingon customs, engineering, it still has possibilities.
Martok was likely one of the squadron leaders as mentioned in the episode that supported the Gowron faction. Thus, after victory, Martok would be elevated and kept close to Gowron.
That's the problem with having multiple writers on a series. Each one has different ideas for a character that's been established as either a favorite or vital to some role in moving the plot along. I can't blame them for killing off Jadzia or Tasha Yar (the actresses wanted to leave) or even Data. Characters like Gowron, Ziyal, or K'Ehleyr, that's a different story. There could have been more potential for those characters' arcs, even if they were minor appearances.
1:35 Riker: "What about Worf?" Picard: "Tell him he's on his own..." Riker: "Damn, that's cold blooded...Jean-Luc" Picard:(gives Riker his deadly death stare) O.O
Picard sure does get to call the shots in matters of interplanetary war/diplomacy more than any ship's captain should, even if he is an ambassador. Imagine a US warship encounters a firefight between factions of an ally, a firefight that with the US ship caught in the middle. Imagine if the choice had to be made to defend the government of an ally or to avoid meddling in a civil war. How many minutes do you think it would take for Washington to contact the captain directly with orders on how to proceed? But Picard acts on behalf of the Federation without consulting his superiors? Is the President of the United Federation of Planets ever made aware of these happenings? Because the President should know within minutes and even if other ships aren't dispatched, Picard should be on the phone immediately with some people in a War Room somewhere. But instead Picard just decides we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and I'll assume it's what the Federation wants. In reality half of the episodes would end with Picard being chewed out by his superiors for his brazen assumption of command in interplanetary dealings. Sisko took a lot of liberties, but he always had to answer to people.
Little did he know the Duras sisters would later kidnap Geordi and then destroy his ship. He would have been better off hailing Gowron and being like “Let me personally take out those treacherous bitches”
Agreed. Picard made the right call. Gowron was playing checkers while Picard was playing 4D chess. If the Feddies had aided Gowron and helped him win the war, he would easily been labeled a Federation puppet and unworthy of leading the Empire. Thus an endless series of civil wars woulf have resulted.
Does Worf participating in the fight not constitute Starfleet involvement? You'd think Picard would at least try to hail them to let them know they had an officer on board the Bortas.
Worf isn't there as a Starfleet officer or under orders to take part. As far as we know he was volunteering on a ship under fire, not beamed down specifically to fight. He was also on leave at the time.
It wouldn't have mattered, Klingons would only care if the shot is fired. Any justification attempted by Klingons would be seen as Federation excuses. The Federation council also would not have bought what Picard was trying to sell either, had he gone that way.
@@Cerbyo I wish Martok had restored the Hous of Mogh at the end of DS9 since he and Worf became best buds since even before Worf helped him become chancellor.
It got worse: @2:59: "Shields failing." Next shot the Bortas takes four more hits clearly absorbed by the shields. It really makes you miss the way they described battles in TOS that felt more authentic due to special effects limitation. Ronald D. Moore's strength was writing characters that did inconsistent thing to drive the plot. His space battles left a lot to be desired. You know like having a Battlestar just jump into freefall, launch fighters and jump out because it looks cool.
The cruiser type. The light attack craft usually has its wings down in attack position. Once the Vor'cha and Bird of Prey were CGI, the large BOP was not seen. Physical model had mechanically articulated wings. At one point, the wings jammed in a slightly elevated position, which is where they stayed. The scaling is always going to be a problem. While the Vor'cha was either the Battlecruiser or Attack cruiser, it was the same ship. The BOP had between three and six ships because there wasn't a new model built for each type depicted, from fighter to battle cruiser.
I did not agree with Picard's decision here. It may be a civil war but Gowron was the officially recognised leader of the Klingon Empire and the Duras family were a rebel faction. With Gowron as official leader of the Klingon Empire who are allied with the Federation AND putting out a general distress call The Enterprise should have defended Gowron's ship. They would not have had to destroy the other ships to end the engagement. Simply disable their weapons and allow them to retreat.
Gowron was not installed yet. Klingon-wise the leadership was still up for grabs. Even if Gowron had been chancellor for years, it is still a Klingon internal affair which the Federation will not interfere in, at least until Federation safety is at risk. The Duras sisters would say Picard interfered in the succession, violating his job as the Arbiter, and then claim the leadership via Toral. The Admiralty advised Picard not to get involved, except to prevent Romulan intervention in the war, which they did to Gowron's benefit. This is long term diplomacy, make your allies need you without actually directly helping them. It's what NATO is doing now with Ukraine, essentially. The Klingons concluded their civil war, but will be grateful to Picard for ending the foreign intervention from a mutual enemy, which immediately led to the collapse of the Duras faction.
Short term yes but long term Gowron would have been compromised by receiving Federation aid. As a result he would have faced endless rebellions against his leadership. By winning the war on his own, Gowron had proven himself to the various Klingon houses. Thus the Empire was spared civil war without end.
Picard had no authority here to make a call of that magnitude involving the Federation. There was no threat to the Enterprise, after all, nor any other Federation colonies. So a knee-jerk reaction taken by Picard would not be seen favorably by the Federation council and likely would result in removal of command. Picard took the correct step.
I'm pretty sure the Prime Directive wouldn't have allowed that unless a major outside power was interfering with the conflict. And even then, it was limited to an extent.
They have to hide that is really just a redress of the Enterprise A bridge set. Which is also the battle bridge set, the Enterprise C bridge, the stargazer bridge, the Hathaway bridge, the Bozeman bridge, the Tamarian bridge, the Romulan bridge, the... well pretty much any bridge except the E-D main bridge.
If what the bortas is firing is a disruptor then wtf are the birds of prey firing? They seem to introduce random effects that conflict with the scripted lines, the bortas seems to have fired 2 torpedoes, with the birds of prey firing a single torpedo and multiple disruptor blasts.
The distuptors on a Bird of Pray are smaller then the main gun on gowrons ship that is why it looks different that is what I was told when I asked that same question
@@kennethlee3458seems more like a vfx screwup to me, disruptors look the same even when Romulan warbirds are firing them. Just green bolts, what gowrons ship fired was a torpedo.
2 years late but the Bortas is a Vor'Cha attack cruiser, basically a size smaller than a Negh'var Dreadnought (makes actuall appearance in DS9 Way of the Warrior)
at this point we have no idea who is supporting Gowron. Clearly Kurn heard the distress call and was nearby waiting to take advantage of the situation.
The fleet would likely have been split into three: Gowron supporters, Duras supporters, and the neutral who yielded until they got to see which way the power struggle was heading. So I could see how the ships would be very fragmented.
Yeah, no shit, I know this show was Paramount, and I know UPN was Paramount but UPN was partially Warner Bros. via PTEN. None of PTEN's shows were on The WB, so that's bullshit.
Seth Tubman nope not like in star trek 4. This time his actions leads the Federation into war. Kirk is a hot Head but he is not that stupid to lead his country into a war
He disobeyed the direct orders of the Commander, Starfleet; he also violated the Prime Directive in "A Taste of Armageddon," when Eminiar VII issued a Code 710, forbidding contact. Despite that, Kirk beamed down anyway. Eventually the "Enterprise," and its crew were declared casualties of the war and were supposed to be destroyed in compliance; Kirk refused. He easily could have led the Federation into a civil war.
This modest clip surpasses anything crapped out by bad reboot since the Kelvin verse inception (nu-trek 2009)! Billions spent on literal feces. Paramount should be ashamed of themselves.
UPN/Warner Bros. shit. Real niggaz the "TNG" crew were, on the strength. And while this was first-run syndication, I know this was Fox 5 in NY, and then UPN 9. Nothing WPIX about clearly Warner Bros. shit, since The WB was nothing like Warner Bros., and UPN was. Doe the Klingons are on some other level of gangsta that calling it Warner Bros. would not be accurate. Son. That kinda next level shit only Paramount can create son!
The likely fate of Kurn if he had proceeded with his rebellion and eliminated Gowron. Just hours after killing Gowron and taking the Chancellorship, Kurn would have bern killed by Duras forces claiming to "avenge" the treachery of Kurn. Probably the big reason why the Duras hadn't taken Gowron out sooner. They wanted someone else to do their dirty work. How very Romulan of you two....
@@firstname4337 Kurn was planning to overthrow Gowron and claim the chancellorship for himself. He would have succeeded with the support of four sector commanders; however Kurn comes from a lower house. The Duras could easily declare him an upstart and unleash a counter-coup against him. Now they have a legitimate reason for seizing the Klingon leadership rather than a obvious power play.
pfc Foster this is real 1998 walla walla wa gard army look just like that too thay had his pic on wal mart wall leave no man behind right ill rember this
Picard did the right thing. He had no authorization to drag the federation into a Klingon civil war. The matter was an internal affair that had the Klingons had to resolve themselves.
It's great to see that both Starfleet and the Kiingons get their explosing bridge panels from the same contractor.
Probably Made in China😁😁😁
@@zagrepcanin82 lol
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Explodium is a very sought-after element in the Star Trek universe, after all.
It’s one of the dumbest tropes of Hollywood. All physical damage has to somehow show up on the bridge. Dumb dumb beyond retarded. It insults the intelligence. Unless there’s a direct hit to the bridge there should be zero damage there.
Everything runs on plasma, but they never figured out how to create a plasma fuse to vent short circuits OUTSIDE the hull...
Worf: We don't need to lock on. I can eyeball it.
Gowron O.O: I approve.
Gowron didn't see that time Worf took three tries to shoot a cube in the right spot.
Gowron's pop-eyes will haunt me forever.
@@GamesFromSpace with computer aided targeting no less.....
@@GamesFromSpace😅
@@jeremykiahsobyk102 Glory to you, 👀And your houuuuuuuuuuuse.
Worf on the Enterprise for 7 years: constantly having his suggestions ignored, week after week
Worf on a Klingon ship for 5 minutes: "oh yes great idea!"
Klingons aren’t well known for trickery tactics in battle.
Hey , a prophet is never honored in his own home ;) soon as he ventures out, that changes :)
@@alexbaxthedarkside
So true, in my experience.
@@carminemurray6624 mine too ;)
stay strong 👍
Kurn told him to get back to his post when he was suggesting they run from an earlier battle. It's isn't universal
Usually when Worf does something he doesn't suggest, and Picard doesn't complain. When Worf is reacting in the standard way to an unusual situation, he gets rebuffed because his solution is the one that won't work.
I like that Kurn still takes a few shots at the cloaking ship
And how the Klingon ship runs like a little wimp. At that point it was basically a 1 on 1 ship battle since Gowran's ship was too badly damaged to still fight. So you wouldn't expect a ship of a proud warrior race to run from that.
How come we see the bird of preys shields as it's cloaking?
@@TheStapleGunKid those were not warriors. They were dishonorable veQ (garbage) from the House of Duras.
@@thegamecorner2275 It wasn't an ideal situation, but still not one I'd expect a Klingon ship to run away from when they had a chance to win the war right there.
To be fair the bird of prey was outflanked and had taken some minor damage for the Bortas already and as Kang once said “only a fool fights in a burning house”…
Or maybe the commander was executed offscreen… either way…
"The Vortas has lost her port shield, sir. It is unlikely they will withstand another hit in that quarter."
Vortas: *immediately withstands 3 more hits in that quarter*
*Bortas
"Worf is on that ship". "Ensign... engage"
He said unlikely, not impossible. But I see what you mean.
Tough Shields, Tough Ship, Qapla' !🤣😁
Honestly the whole Worf/Klingon storyline is one of the best in TNG
That storyline saved TNG from from its episodic tedium, and Worf injected new life into DS9, which proved a serialized story arc was better.
@@michaelbayer5094 I would say after Patrick Stewart, Michael Dorn has had the most success in the Star Trek franchise.
The officer saying, "They were able to raise their shields!" is the most human-sounding Klingon in the entire franchise. He sounds like someone's buddy calling to say he got the pizzas and will be there in five minutes. I love it.
😂😂😂so true.
I used to think that title belonged to B'iJik, but you may be right.
When Picard asks the Klingon empire to lend him a cloaked ship, the bureaucrat sent to get rid of him.
Bran’s pizza palace
I see what you mean, but the English involved is probably for the benefit of the audience. (i.e. we're hearing their language translated.)
@@Kazuo1G It's not the English.
Listen to the way Worf and Gowron talk. Listen to the way MOST Klingons talk.
That dude just doesn't sound like he's a Klingon. He sounds like a human in Klingon LARP.
2:22 Best exchange in television history
Worf: "Now within transporter range."
Gowron: "Sah."
Worf: "They're dropping their shields!"
Gowron: "BAH!"
"They've fallen for the trap!"
"HAH!"
"But our ship has sustained damage as well."
"GAH!"
"Shall we ask the Enterprise for aid in repairs?"
"Nah."
Worf: Chancellor, did you just say SABAH? (lame joke 🤪)
Worf: “Open fire?”
G: “YAH!”
I imagine our cavemen ancestors had a similar rich vocabulary.
Captain Kurn saved their lives and played a major role in keeping the Klingon empire from collapsing. It's totally not fair that he gets very little mention as a Klingon hero...and Worf knows this.
yeah, horrible what they did to his character -- lame, weak and no thought to the future
well ds9 shows what a happened kinda... he is rewarded heavily for aiding gowron , then has everything stripped away when worf sides with the federation over the klingons in the brief civil war, he then trys to kill himself so worf wipes his memory and tricks him into thinking he is another klingons son, after that when worf has his status restored in the empire it isnt mention what happened to kurn
When Worn says "No" to Gowron, he turns around, as if he's thinking, "WHAT did you say?"
Worn? Just fucking go away...
Worn? wtf is wrong with you?
Klingon ships are still my favorite in the Star Trek universe.
Yup nothing extra nothing not needed just a pure fighting vessel.
If your interested generation films did a advantages and disadvantages on the Klingon fleet and bird of prey
The Borg Queen's Diamond ship. 🤤😍
Picard made the hard choice to withdraw. He was right: acting would have drawn the Federation into the (potential) conflict. Even when Riker checks him with “What about Lt Worf?”.
Riker: What about Lt. Worf
Picard: (thinking) He's a BIG STRAPPING LAD! He can handle it!
@@Blktxdom2004
Captain Picard: "Perhaps today is a good day for Worf to die....."
He could of positioned the Enterprise between the Bortas & the Duras loyal ships without returning fire.
@@TheMrPeteChannelthat's still chosing a side.
In Picard, people act like Picard and the crew of the Enterprise were renegade cowboys who took the law into their own hands, but Picard was the definition of by-the-book. It wasn’t until the movies when he did anything blatantly rebellious. And even then, he still tried to uphold the spirit of the law, if not the letter.
Just think about it for a second. Had Kurn not arrived to save Gowron, then his ship would have likely been destroyed. Had that happened, the Civil War would have gone to The Duras and as a result, we would of seen The Khitomer Accord's fall and a new alliance between Klingons and Romulans. A literal nightmare for The Federation.
Picard's decision to leave Gowron could have quite literally sealed The Federations fate. So many times in Trek do we see the stubborn decisions to stick to Federation "Morality" literally spell doom for their entire society only for them to survive by what ultimately amounts to pure luck and or actual defiance of those morals.
The Romulan Klingon alliance would have defeated the Federation. Then the Borg would have returned and the Romulans would have left the Klingons to be assimilated. In a short time they would be fighting a losing battle to the Borg. The Dominion would have come through the worm hole saw what was happening and got the hell out of the Alpha quadrant. The Bejoran would have followed the Dominion through the worm hole to escape, then the being in the worm hole would close it off to keep them safe.
But they didn't loose did they? Go plot armor!
If Gowron had been saved by the Enterprise the Klingons would have regarded him as weak and a puppet of the Federation.
Saving Gowron only to kill him later...now that's Worfing!
Worf would make the perfect politician.
Using a catchphrase from a Napoleonic TV show and adapting it for star trek? Now that's soldiering
In the end, Worf ended up killing two Klingons vying for chancellorship.
I like how Picard chose not to take the Federation into a Klingon Civil War but Federation Captains in Star Trek Online? Full speed ahead into the fire. lol
Well by that point, there was already war.
Lets be clear here, player Starfleet captains are basically murder hobos in pretty dresses.
It always made the terran empire so weird. They were supposed to be the evil version of US. But compare our track record....
This might be the first time I've ever seen the game mentioned in any star trek video lol
Janeway would've engaged and have taken out the entire empire herself.
While the captain made the right decision, thankfully things worked out such that Gowron was able to defeat the remaining insurrectionist. If it had gone the other way, the federation there may have likely still been a war with the Klingons and, possibly, the Romulans.
This is sort of why I hate Gowron in DS9: Two sons of Mogh and a Federation Captain made him chancellor and yet eight years later and he's like "Fuck the Federation and fuck the Sons of Mogh!"
Eight years is a long damn time. You’re not entirely wrong though, his story was mishandled on DS9.
Gowron was established as an ungrateful fuck almost immediately in Unification part 1 where he refuses to speak to Picard and excluded the Federation fleet from Klingon history during the Civil War. Gowron was also clearly slightly unhinged with those eyes, oh god thoss eyes
@@KaiserFranzJosefI
You're right, and Worf sniffed it out right from the beginning. But it gave us one of the best Picard best "I am the man" moments when he told B'iJik "very well, tell Gowron...leader of the High Klingon council...." well, I'm sure you know the rest.
Worf is a traitor to the eyes of the Klingon Empire and rightly so. I'm not talking about what happen at Khitomer but the fact he is a klingon serving the humans pujwI! His brother Kurn is far better, at least a real Klingon not a maghwl like his brother.
@@carcajou1018
Easy there kiddo...relax! It's just silly sci-fi. These are only actors made up to look like Klingons and Romulans etc etc none of this is real.
Edit: And no one was really hurt either.
“Ideas no weapon can reach.....a belief has no body to kill”
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Why does Gowron always look like his head is about to explode! 😂😂😂
It's those eyes.
Because he's a few worms short of a bowl of Gagh!
IIRC, that was how Robert O'Reilly got the role; he decided to make Gowron look slightly unhinged by bulging his eyes. The producers loved that look for the character.
PTSD ....Romulan anal probes
@@fridayray8891
Bruh... come on now.
LMAO
Love how the BOPs line themselves up right infront of the Bortas' main disruptor
"Honor will not win this war. Eliminating the Duras from existence will."
Fave scene in the ep 'this is Captain Kurn of the Hegh'ta, we come to defend the Empire & follow the banner of Gowron' !
"They were able to raise the shields in time"
Cuz you waited 15 seconds to shoot at them
It is Worf here firing manually, at least he hit them!
Picard knew Worf could handle it
Now that was great storytelling!
Writers, take notes!
At 3:05, Kurn's ship fires on a bird of prey that is cloaking with its shields still up. As has been long established in canon, ships have to drop their shields in order to cloak, ships can't put their shields up while cloaked, and being fired upon while cloaked temporarily drops the cloak.
What this illustrates is that Star Trek has always played a little loose with some of the finer points of Canon, and we shouldn't get too upset by these small oversights, or try too hard to create headcanon that one of the attacking ships was testing out some kind of new and improved cloaking technology.
"Playing a little loose with the finer points of canon" that's putting it mildly 😆
This is written by Ronald D. Moore, the guy who gleefully violates his own rules and internal episode continuity to tell a story.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 fair, but I don't really think the rules needed to be bent or broken here. Other than maybe a slight easing of tension, I don't think it would have changed much if Kern's ship had successfully blown up or damaged the cloaking ship.
Since there is no scientific explanation ( that's real) how shields work it could be residual energy remaining for a few seconds once they deactivated. It could be enough to hold for a shot or two as seen in the scene before the shields vanish on their own.
Or it could have just been a nice visual they wanted to have, screw internal logic
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“It’s best not to dwell on such minutae” - Garak
0:39 falls just like a supermodel with those ruddy great clogs
I always loved Klingons birds of prey ships!! They're absolutely magnificent!
2:45 its funny to hear a klingon with just a regular sounding voice. That guy didn't sound like a powerful klingon warrior at all. He sounded like Fred from accounting
The eyes is what makes this scene...
My 3 favorite klingons !!!
0:56 port (left side of ship) shields down, it is unlikely they will withstand another hit in that quarter 1:01 withstands 4 more hits in that quarter
Worf saved his life only to kill him in a future episode.
Gowron was on a Vorcha class ship. He needed a N’eghvar.
Isn't it amazing that a ship console can explode but remain intact and functional?
What is stupid is no Engineer would by design route high energy through control panels, you use low energy, to switch high power Energy Relays, so no control Panel could ever injure anyone by exploding.
I never noticed that it is so clear now. I don't know how I missed that 😅 good eye
Picard was like oh welll !!! I'm out of here!!
Yes, he finally had a chance to run away. His standard response was to just sit there and do nothing.
What I like best are the fast, rapid and hectic manoeuvres of the ships. The only thing that was more exciting for me were the two shell snails on my driveway that I was able to observe once. For hours, I had time, I was on holiday.
I love defending the empire
I know that next generation cost over a million dollars an episode probably early on in the series, but it always drove me insane that people in the middle of a battle fire like they were paying by the shot. Proton torpedoes should have been popping off every two or three seconds...
The klingons carry this episode so does worf
The Klingon episodes were great
Thr Worf storyline was fantastic and the episode where Riker serves on board is top 10.
When this first came on decades ago I thought, this would make a great side series. ST KCW. Some characters we already know, some we are introduced to, heroes, villains, intrigue, battles, near victories, near defeats, Klingon customs, engineering, it still has possibilities.
The real reason Picard decided not to engage is because he knows the Enterprise has a critical weakness to Klingon Birds of Prey.
And his fear was proven over Veridian III
A powerful attack cruiser getting bested by 2 bop’s
Unless they got off an opening salvo designed to cripple the ship.
Worf is always happy when in battle he's a tru klingon
Picard must have owed worf money
I'd love to see a telling of the war from martoks view.
He probably hung out in the capitol and told war stories finding the whole thing absurd.
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 it's mentioned he was one of gowrons main generals. Hence why he's such a big shot in ds9
Martok was likely one of the squadron leaders as mentioned in the episode that supported the Gowron faction. Thus, after victory, Martok would be elevated and kept close to Gowron.
Gowron is my favourite character of the whole star trek universum.Hate they did him dirty in the end.
That's the problem with having multiple writers on a series. Each one has different ideas for a character that's been established as either a favorite or vital to some role in moving the plot along. I can't blame them for killing off Jadzia or Tasha Yar (the actresses wanted to leave) or even Data. Characters like Gowron, Ziyal, or K'Ehleyr, that's a different story. There could have been more potential for those characters' arcs, even if they were minor appearances.
Another Ronald D. Moore special.
The wrecked Kurn just as badly.
There is actually a story line in the Star Trek Online game, where Gowron redeems himself for the empire.
1:35 Riker: "What about Worf?"
Picard: "Tell him he's on his own..."
Riker: "Damn, that's cold blooded...Jean-Luc"
Picard:(gives Riker his deadly death stare) O.O
Riker: 'Damn, that's cold-blooded Jay-El."
Picard: (Nods in approval)
Thanks for remembering your deaf viewers and enabling closed captions. /s
Awesome.
Picard sure does get to call the shots in matters of interplanetary war/diplomacy more than any ship's captain should, even if he is an ambassador. Imagine a US warship encounters a firefight between factions of an ally, a firefight that with the US ship caught in the middle. Imagine if the choice had to be made to defend the government of an ally or to avoid meddling in a civil war. How many minutes do you think it would take for Washington to contact the captain directly with orders on how to proceed? But Picard acts on behalf of the Federation without consulting his superiors? Is the President of the United Federation of Planets ever made aware of these happenings? Because the President should know within minutes and even if other ships aren't dispatched, Picard should be on the phone immediately with some people in a War Room somewhere.
But instead Picard just decides we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and I'll assume it's what the Federation wants. In reality half of the episodes would end with Picard being chewed out by his superiors for his brazen assumption of command in interplanetary dealings. Sisko took a lot of liberties, but he always had to answer to people.
Picard making the right choice even when it hurts. 👍😢
Little did he know the Duras sisters would later kidnap Geordi and then destroy his ship. He would have been better off hailing Gowron and being like “Let me personally take out those treacherous bitches”
@@YeoYeo32No guarantee they were on board those ships.
Agreed. Picard made the right call. Gowron was playing checkers while Picard was playing 4D chess. If the Feddies had aided Gowron and helped him win the war, he would easily been labeled a Federation puppet and unworthy of leading the Empire. Thus an endless series of civil wars woulf have resulted.
Gowrons facial expressions are totally badass! Like im gonna kick some ass evil grin 😈😁
1:36 Stewart's ability to say so much with a look is amazing to me.
Great episodes
Riker: "What about Worf?"
Picard: "Lol" *flies away*
him 'port shields are down' visibly gets hit in the port sheilds twice
Picard does worf dirty ignores a distress signal and leaves them
Cool battle, even if they did re-use a lot of Bird of Prey footage from Yesterday's Enterprise.
Gowron, my favorite Klingon after Worf.
Walk into OCharley's and shout RIGO STA'AS or whatever it is before being seated and nod hello to everybody.
Sisko fought the klingons saved the cardassian government leaders and kicked the klingons asses
Sisko has pimp hand
Does Worf participating in the fight not constitute Starfleet involvement?
You'd think Picard would at least try to hail them to let them know they had an officer on board the Bortas.
Worf isn't there as a Starfleet officer or under orders to take part. As far as we know he was volunteering on a ship under fire, not beamed down specifically to fight. He was also on leave at the time.
It wouldn't have mattered, Klingons would only care if the shot is fired. Any justification attempted by Klingons would be seen as Federation excuses. The Federation council also would not have bought what Picard was trying to sell either, had he gone that way.
The klingon captain Kern is played by the same person who plaid Candyman as well.
Gowron completely freezes during this battle, if not for Worf he dies here.
Those eyes............👀
We can't manuever, it's not in the budget. pew pew pew is though
I didn't realise Worf's brother Kurn helped Gowron become Chancellor, but I suppose even Worf didn't know at the time Kurn was his brother.
Worf knew by this time. It was revealed in Sins of the Father, long before Gowron was first introduced.
during his discommendation.
Actually yes he did, Worf talked Kurn into backing Gowron in exchange Gowron would restore his family name.
that was all setup by worf to regain his house. Worf was playing gowron the whole time
@@Cerbyo I wish Martok had restored the Hous of Mogh at the end of DS9 since he and Worf became best buds since even before Worf helped him become chancellor.
We like to shit on ships at times, but man, the vorcha class did not perform well here.
Is that shot of the Bird of Prey firing at 0:26 a reuse of a green screen clip from Star Trek III or Star Trek V (just with a different backdrop)?
Most likely
I think they also used it in "Yesterday's Enterprise" too.
"The Bortas has lost her port shield..."
Yet the screen in front of them shows shield impacts on the port side
It got worse:
@2:59: "Shields failing."
Next shot the Bortas takes four more hits clearly absorbed by the shields. It really makes you miss the way they described battles in TOS that felt more authentic due to special effects limitation.
Ronald D. Moore's strength was writing characters that did inconsistent thing to drive the plot. His space battles left a lot to be desired. You know like having a Battlestar just jump into freefall, launch fighters and jump out because it looks cool.
Blooper......Worfs com badge. He resigned and left it on the table earlier.
Red alerts
The scale of those BoP compared to the Vorcha cruiser seems off, they're way too big in comparison.
The cruiser type. The light attack craft usually has its wings down in attack position. Once the Vor'cha and Bird of Prey were CGI, the large BOP was not seen. Physical model had mechanically articulated wings. At one point, the wings jammed in a slightly elevated position, which is where they stayed. The scaling is always going to be a problem. While the Vor'cha was either the Battlecruiser or Attack cruiser, it was the same ship. The BOP had between three and six ships because there wasn't a new model built for each type depicted, from fighter to battle cruiser.
Plot armor!
I volunteered
I did not agree with Picard's decision here. It may be a civil war but Gowron was the officially recognised leader of the Klingon Empire and the Duras family were a rebel faction. With Gowron as official leader of the Klingon Empire who are allied with the Federation AND putting out a general distress call The Enterprise should have defended Gowron's ship. They would not have had to destroy the other ships to end the engagement. Simply disable their weapons and allow them to retreat.
Gowron was not installed yet. Klingon-wise the leadership was still up for grabs. Even if Gowron had been chancellor for years, it is still a Klingon internal affair which the Federation will not interfere in, at least until Federation safety is at risk.
The Duras sisters would say Picard interfered in the succession, violating his job as the Arbiter, and then claim the leadership via Toral.
The Admiralty advised Picard not to get involved, except to prevent Romulan intervention in the war, which they did to Gowron's benefit.
This is long term diplomacy, make your allies need you without actually directly helping them. It's what NATO is doing now with Ukraine, essentially. The Klingons concluded their civil war, but will be grateful to Picard for ending the foreign intervention from a mutual enemy, which immediately led to the collapse of the Duras faction.
Short term yes but long term Gowron would have been compromised by receiving Federation aid. As a result he would have faced endless rebellions against his leadership. By winning the war on his own, Gowron had proven himself to the various Klingon houses. Thus the Empire was spared civil war without end.
Picard had no authority here to make a call of that magnitude involving the Federation. There was no threat to the Enterprise, after all, nor any other Federation colonies. So a knee-jerk reaction taken by Picard would not be seen favorably by the Federation council and likely would result in removal of command. Picard took the correct step.
I'm pretty sure the Prime Directive wouldn't have allowed that unless a major outside power was interfering with the conflict. And even then, it was limited to an extent.
Does every single Klingon ship look like the inside of a Halloween spook-house? Darkest place I've ever seen. Like how can anybody see what to do?
They have to hide that is really just a redress of the Enterprise A bridge set. Which is also the battle bridge set, the Enterprise C bridge, the stargazer bridge, the Hathaway bridge, the Bozeman bridge, the Tamarian bridge, the Romulan bridge, the... well pretty much any bridge except the E-D main bridge.
Gangsta
i never understand why computers start blowing up in the bridge
This was after the great deregulation of 2244 when OSHA was eliminated and surge protectors were outlawed. 😂
If what the bortas is firing is a disruptor then wtf are the birds of prey firing? They seem to introduce random effects that conflict with the scripted lines, the bortas seems to have fired 2 torpedoes, with the birds of prey firing a single torpedo and multiple disruptor blasts.
The distuptors on a Bird of Pray are smaller then the main gun on gowrons ship that is why it looks different that is what I was told when I asked that same question
@@kennethlee3458seems more like a vfx screwup to me, disruptors look the same even when Romulan warbirds are firing them. Just green bolts, what gowrons ship fired was a torpedo.
2 years late but the Bortas is a Vor'Cha attack cruiser, basically a size smaller than a Negh'var Dreadnought (makes actuall appearance in DS9 Way of the Warrior)
No comment how they recycled the footage from Yesterday's Enterprise?
So the Klingon Homeworld has no more ships to help? It’s like on Earth where the Enterprise is the ONLY ship in the area. 🤣
at this point we have no idea who is supporting Gowron. Clearly Kurn heard the distress call and was nearby waiting to take advantage of the situation.
The fleet would likely have been split into three: Gowron supporters, Duras supporters, and the neutral who yielded until they got to see which way the power struggle was heading. So I could see how the ships would be very fragmented.
Yeah, no shit, I know this show was Paramount, and I know UPN was Paramount but UPN was partially Warner Bros. via PTEN. None of PTEN's shows were on The WB, so that's bullshit.
Picard has no honor and is a coward.
Wow, if that was Kirk he would have fought if one of his officers was onboard
Fearless 512 Captain Kirk would have been court-martialed for that action.
You mean reduced in rank to captain and given command of a starship "Enterprise" again? lol
Seth Tubman nope not like in star trek 4. This time his actions leads the Federation into war. Kirk is a hot Head but he is not that stupid to lead his country into a war
He disobeyed the direct orders of the Commander, Starfleet; he also violated the Prime Directive in "A Taste of Armageddon," when Eminiar VII issued a Code 710, forbidding contact. Despite that, Kirk beamed down anyway. Eventually the "Enterprise," and its crew were declared casualties of the war and were supposed to be destroyed in compliance; Kirk refused. He easily could have led the Federation into a civil war.
Fearless 512 so does Picard..
Had Worf joined Gowron in TWOTW, they would've had troops on Cardassia Prime inside of a week.
Sisko managed to rescue the Detapa Council when the Klingons were on the border, so that would have been pointless.
BAH!
This modest clip surpasses anything crapped out by bad reboot since the Kelvin verse inception (nu-trek 2009)! Billions spent on literal feces. Paramount should be ashamed of themselves.
UPN/Warner Bros. shit. Real niggaz the "TNG" crew were, on the strength. And while this was first-run syndication, I know this was Fox 5 in NY, and then UPN 9. Nothing WPIX about clearly Warner Bros. shit, since The WB was nothing like Warner Bros., and UPN was. Doe the Klingons are on some other level of gangsta that calling it Warner Bros. would not be accurate. Son. That kinda next level shit only Paramount can create son!
The likely fate of Kurn if he had proceeded with his rebellion and eliminated Gowron. Just hours after killing Gowron and taking the Chancellorship, Kurn would have bern killed by Duras forces claiming to "avenge" the treachery of Kurn. Probably the big reason why the Duras hadn't taken Gowron out sooner. They wanted someone else to do their dirty work. How very Romulan of you two....
I take offense to that!
what are you talking about ?? Kurn was never involved in a rebellion
@@firstname4337 Kurn was planning to overthrow Gowron and claim the chancellorship for himself. He would have succeeded with the support of four sector commanders; however Kurn comes from a lower house. The Duras could easily declare him an upstart and unleash a counter-coup against him. Now they have a legitimate reason for seizing the Klingon leadership rather than a obvious power play.
Fnaf bite 87 dead
pfc Foster this is real 1998 walla walla wa gard army look just like that too thay had his pic on wal mart wall leave no man behind right ill rember this
Did you have a stroke while you were typing this?
The guy playing Worf's brother seems to be a very poor casting choice. He may be a good actor but he doesn't fit the role.
Biden resigns 3/2
I trust those are prophetic words.
I never liked Picard and this video explains why I dislike his character so much.
Romulan2469 there was probably some halfass explanation why Worf still respected him bla bla warrior death
Picard did the right thing. He had no authorization to drag the federation into a Klingon civil war. The matter was an internal affair that had the Klingons had to resolve themselves.
The Klingons were allies - even if not, they did send out a distress call so they should have at least helped that
Oh nag' wah ! Did you see the way he sat down in his chair before he took of. Like a gay on a shopping spree. Spineless humans !
He could have rescued them, at least