Hey, you, reading the comments. Do yourself a favor and restart the video with "Pruit Igoe And Prophecies" from the Watchman Soundtrack queued up in another window. You're welcome.
Knowing the track and its use in Watchmen, I understood you immediately. Don't even need to do it to compare it to the perfection of Spencer & Burton as a complementary pair. Nicely done, Ser.
Also check out the KOYANNISQUASTI movie the music was first composed for. 🙏🏼 (Tho I do agree that putting it in that scene of Watchmen 2009 was a Kubrick-tier genius move.)
It is1428. Ashikaga Yoshimochi, the fourth shogun, was ill and the question of his succession arose. Ashikaga Yoshikazu, the 5th shogun, died of illness at the age of 19, so the 6th shogun was chosen from among Yoshimochi's four brothers, and to ensure fairness, a lottery was held. The sixth shogun was Ashikaga Yoshinori. However, he was not educated to be a shogun, and his temperamental and despotic behavior caused resentment. Akamatsu Mitsusuke assassinated him during the Kakitsu Rebellion. This led to instability in the Ashikaga shogunate system. The shogunate gradually lost influence and control over the daimyo. Thus, the Sengoku Jidai began.....ruining Star Wars
This video illustrates a point that I have observed for many years: Star wars is not a fandom, it is a religion. And like many religions it unfortunately has many people who are fanatically obsessed with it and idolize it and will do anything to promote it or harm others in the name of it, namely bullying actors and screenwriters.
13.7 billion years ago an instability in the singularity would cause it to expand forming the universe, in this universe George Lucas would be born, Star wars is ruined forever.
It’s 1949, mythology scholar Joseph Campbell publishes his book on comparative mythology “The Hero With a Thousand Faces” where he argues for his “mono-myth” theory: that all myths across all human cultures follow a similar structure. This will inspire a promising experimental filmmaker to rework his many bizarre, creative, and outlandish sci-fi / fantasy ideas into this basic story structure. And so, Star Wars was ruined forever.
I love Star Wars, but it's not a perfect series. Even the original films are flawed. To use Luke's word, the series has been deified, and is now expected to meet standards no media could possibly achieve.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten. Whatever.
"The fans didn't know what they wanted", yes, that's the problem, in the end a lot of old successful stories were lightning in a bottle, we try to replicate the unreplicactable, and the people who least understand that are executives whose MBA training just rot their brains to anything that's not profit-maximizing.
I'm reminded of the Henry Ford quote after his Model A came out: "If I had asked consumers what they wanted, they would've asked for faster horses." Studio bean counters have got to let creatives sell our Model A rather than pandering to consumers who think a faster horse exists.
Also the need for replicability. And “sustainable growth” from that replicability of success. And the obsession with recreating success. Seems like success in entertainment isn’t as formulaic as management might think.
I’m a casual Star Wars fan, but I am a hard core Transformers fan. And on the Transformers wiki fan page, they have an article called “RUINED FOREVER” whenever the same happens to that franchise. Like Transformers earthspark is woke garbage; ie Transformers is ruined forever
I grew up on transformers prime myself and haven't really watched anything other than that (except the Michael Bay movies, which I thought were fun, stupid, and filled with extremely good vfx) but I remember that show being fucking amazing I think my morality and personality got affected in a major way by transformers, especially optimus I'm quite a big star wars fan, and the series will always hold a special place in my heart, but I haven't really enjoyed anything new that's come out so I disconnected myself from it entirely, stickigg to what I like. But I still think it has been "ruined" for me, at least a little bit. For that reason, I kind of don't even want to see anything else about transformers, and just hold on to my dear memories of being a kid and waking up at 6am to watch some big ass car robots kick ass before school.
I grew up with the 1st BayVerse Transformers, but I immediately snapped out of it when I hated Revenge of the Fallen. I couldn't stand the characters, hated the fact that Optimus Prime is dead most of the film cuz now we are stuck with the awful characters, and the Final Battle was a big waste of time.
I couldn't agree more, every new piece of media for Transformers gets immediate hate with very little basis. It's baffling to me how hateful and emotional people can get over new parts of franchises that they are very free to ignore.
I'm a hardcore fan of both, but learned early on as a TF fan that hardcore fans are a tiny, though loud, group. And the first part of being a hardcore fan of anything is to realize that you don't matter. To be popular, a brand has to appeal to more than just a handful of loud nerds. TF figured that out eventually. Star Wars always knew it.
I am one of those Gen X'ers who grew up with the original trilogy, who pestered their parents to go and see it at the cinema (well, Return of the Jedi is the only one I clearly remember) but I had the movies on VHS. I was at Uni when Phantom Menace came out and most of my friends though the film was garbage. I didn't mind it, it wasn't the Star Wars I loved, but it was enough Star Wars for me to enjoy. It wasn't until I attended a midnight screening for Revenge of the Sith that I realised that this generation had a different view of Star Wars. Because I was a bit of a nerd I had an Emperor Palpatine robe and sitting in the front row. While we were waiting for midnight, a kid, 7 or 8 years old, in a Darth Vader costume ran up to me and knelt down in front of my and said "Your bidding master" (because he had clearly seen the original films) so in my best emperor voice I said "Rise, Lord Vader". The kid jumps up and runs to his father and is pointing to me. His dad came up to me after the film and said "Thank you for that, my son is so happy" That kid will be one of those who views the prequels to be the best Star Wars and I can't honestly say that it is wrong for him to think that. I might disagree, but I wasn't a 7 or 8 year old dressed as Darth Vader who met the Emperor at the cinema. But maybe I am not a true Star Wars fan because I can except that something i like does not mean it is objectively good.
That kid story is so wholesome 🥰 But yeah, I'm one of the few who still refuses to rep for the prequels just because the sequels failed but I refuse to tell kids that it's not a good film or they can't enjoy it.
I'm one of those gen X-ers. I wanted my mum to make my hair like princess Leia, saw the prequels while at Uni, and still cannot understand why people take it so seriously. I also enjoyed Indiana Jones movies, but can't stomach to re-watch them, because there are many things wrong with them, and its fine. I still like the Sword in the Stone, that I can still watch.
Have watched recently with my 10yo the main movies (even though he'd watched some Clone Wars with me) in the order IV - V - VI - I - II - III - VII - VIII - XIX (to my surprise, he didn't know The Reveal so we did it like this). He loved it all but mostly the sequels, because of course, it's what's most like the media he consumes! Watching his enthusiasm reminded me of why it's good that content keeps getting made and I hope Disney doesn't stop because of the original trilogy Karens and prequel Karens.
I’ve always maintained that Star Wars always thrives in the hands of multiple people. Star Wars has always been written by folks who aren’t George Lucas, Timothy Zahn, Micheal A Stackpole, John Jackson Miller, the clone wars writers team etc. I think it’s healthy to put this universe in the hands of multiple artists, hell a lot of my favourite stuff from SW Lucas probably never even glanced at! Hell nowadays I think I prefer Star Wars in cartoon form! The idea that a series like this can ever be permanently ruined is absurd to me. Folks are free to walk away at any time.
Stuff like Visions, which is done by multiple different studios and creators, and where each episode is its own universe and story with a SW coat of paint, the sky is the limit with what you can write. Doesn't even need to be part of the main canon.
@@alejandramoreno6625that’s something I agree with. Different artists should do whatever they want to the Star Wars movies as long as it tells a good story. Lore doesn’t matter
Seeing Rise of Skywalker in theaters was an… interesting experience. However, there was one moment that’s always going to stick with me. When I walked out of the theater, there was this small child dressed as Rey about to see the movie at 10:00 at night. I‘ve long since lost interest in Star Wars due to how much of it there is, how I’ve realized how uncomfortable the fandom is, and just the fact that I’m an adult now who has more stuff going on in my life, but I think the beautiful thing about Star Wars is how it continues to live in with each passing generation, and whenever I see grown adults complaining to such an extreme extent about how the movies aren’t for them anymore, I can’t help but feel like they’re missing the point.
@@Aristocles22 I'd say it's pretty accurate when considering how much now people are deifying the old MCU, citing how the first three phases were amazing because it was planned and had one consistent story while these days films are just spinning their wheels being more corporate endeavors. What they ignore is that the reality couldn't be farther from the truth. The MCU had NO plan whatsoever. It was being distributed by Paramount with the idea being that by making their own shared universe, Marvel could basically get the success of film series such as Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and Fox's X-Men while also seeing much, much more of the profits and having more direct control and we still ran into criticisms. People would call out certain films as feeling like plain filler even though their purpose is to be a good solo movie first and connect to the larger story second. I remember when just three movies after the first Avengers with the Thanos teaser people suddenly went "Okay what's going on with Thanos? Is this ever gonna go anywhere.". Thing is like Star Wars, those first three phases have basically gone down in history as a cultural event. You have people who can properly state they grew up with these movies now and are coming into it with everything laid out and are able to judge it as this one complete package but with that also comes nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses which brings along with it some light revisions to the history. We sweep under the rug that people were talking superhero fatigue as soon as we got past the first Avengers and act like now is when things got bad when really? I'd say it's more that people are just realizing that the long-running series which is gonna keep going basically is going the way of comics where unless the money truly dries up and the company just can't go on anymore? It's never gonna stop so you have to make a conscious choice. Are you willing to just move away from the series because the ride is growing stale and you're finding it's not working for you anymore or do you stick with it because it is?
Your intro segment reminded me of that one Pacific Rim meme: "At first, Star Wars appeared to have been ruined forever around once every decade. Then, it was ruined forever every five years. Then it became ruined every two years. Now, we are seeing Star Wars being ruined every year. In less than six months, we could see Star Wars being ruined forever every week."
to my 11 year old nephew, Disney star wars is star wars. Star wars is and will always be a cyclical franchise with little foresight into the future from the fanbase.
Good video. Princess Weekes said it best "If the parallels of original star wars to Vietnam war were more obvious and US was meant to be the Evil Empire, I don't think most fans today would've liked it" I'm paraphrasing but Stars wars always had a reactionary fanbase terrified of change and challenging their beliefs
For us in Poland, it was a literal new hope against the oppressive communist regime (the same one that also used the word "reactionary" to put innocent people in jail for political dissent).The Empire was the Polish Socialist Party.
I find that very hard to believe, seeing as how Star Wars changed Hollywood in the late 70s, the story is about growing up and changing, and Luke's beliefs are explicitly put to the best in the OT. We don't want things to never, ever change, nor do we want the same story retold over and over again with some wokeness thrown in. That's the "sequels" in a nutshell. What we actually want is for the story to grow in a logical manner which respects the past, not craps all over it. We want believable characters, not MaRey Sue Palpatines. We want consistency in the universe, not stagnation. Labeling us with bad names just because we don't like what Disney has done to our beloved franchise is just an attempt to whip us into obedience, not actually address the real problems Star Wars has.
Actually, most fans would've loved it. Then they'd write an EU story where the Rebels get squashed by the Empire after ROTJ once some new guy, preferably Thrawn, takes over the Empire.
@@Aristocles22 I think you're exemplifying the original poster. The guy who made this video pointed out this exact response--sure, the sequels have lackluster writing and direction, but Disney is a corporation in the business of turning a profit, so they reacted to the reactions of the prior two films when making Rise of Skywalker and tried to satisfy both ends of the spectrum, and failed spectacularly doing so. If you know anything about story craft, any narrative is expected to see the protagonist change and develop by the end. All plots must have a problem. The protagonist is supposed to be the one who solves the problem or has a major part in it. The problem must be solved by the end of the narrative. If you don't want things to never, ever change, you're professing your diametric opposition to the very basis of storytelling--that all stories are, at their core, a retelling of the journey through life itself, as life is change, from birth to death.
@@MilesDashing No, it's more because those now running Lucasfilm don't fundamentally understand what made SW so beloved in the first place (ditto those now in charge of Star Trek and Doctor Who).
No it wasn't ruined by the large fanbase. In fact, if it wasn't for the fanbase, we would only had just one Star Wars film, there would have been no Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi and no Star Wars franchise, George Lucas would have just been another struggling director in Hollywood. Lucas was the one who ruined it with the cgi Special Editions and the mediocre Prequels. Disney on the other hand, totally killed Star Wars and are just milking the corpse dry at this point.
@@sjdrifter72 Star Wars appeals to people’s inner child. That’s why some of the people who whine about it some of the biggest babies I have ever seen. I had a disagreement with one and he called in a bomb threat to the school I worked at, so don’t try and tell me the modern Star Wars fan base doesn’t have an attitude problem. At least Lucas or Disney never threatened to kill me.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan Rise of Skywalker wouldn't have been such a terrible movie if fans didn't went batshit insane on The Last Jedi. That movie spend most of it's time redoing EP 8. George Lucas probably wouldn't have sold and distance himself from SW if he didn't received unnecessary amount of hate from the fans.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
“Cinematography is great, directing is great, writing is good but it’s just a forgettable show cause there’s screws in the wall” kind of sums up the majority of Disney Star Wars hate imo
Star Wars will always be a story about Luke forgiving his dead beat dad and using love to defeat hate, for me. Thats always what made it so special to me.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
Remember when they said Star Wars was ruined because it turned out they were all related, than they introduced the Ewoks, than came the special editions, than the prequals. There has been tons of hate long before Disney
@@Tamlinearthly As a kid, the only part of The Empire Strikes Back I disliked was Lando betraying Han Solo. However, by the time Return of the Jedi, I was older and better appreciated Lando's moral dilemma. So, it is possible to change your opinion on a Star Wars story.
Once again, Emplemon had the last laugh. Abandoned Star Wars when things got bad but in retrospect, he was one of the first youtube video essay people to get the memo. "Watch something else". That was the whole point of his Matrix: De-Booted video. He did the unthinkable. Instead of hate watching, he up and watched something else. If the media stinks, just opt out. And if you were a creator who can't opt out, wreck it and make the worst version of itself in hopes that outrage culture doesn't become a norm.
I agree. I can't describe how annoyed I get whenever I check out Star Wars content on TH-cam, look at the comment section, and inevitably find some sequel-hater bringing up...THE SEQUEL FILMS. Honestly, if you hate them so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them? Especially when it's content that has nothing to do with the sequel trilogy...
38k views while nerdrotic and CD had millions????? Like let's be real gay people don't like or support action flicks... I love Disney and I hate people trashing them because of the woke agenda but let's be honest it never works and never will be......just name one successful gay action film (none) only streaming might be if it can escape geeks and gamers eyes.
Honestly… The Mandalorian is what ruined Star Wars for me. And I actually like the Mandalorian a lot. It’s just also proven to me that the Anti-fascist, anti-imperialist, and anti-war themes are for the most part set dressing. If Star Wars was serious about anti-Fascism, anti-imperialism, and anti-war the show The Mandalorian would have taken the Mandalorians to task as a culture. The Mandalorians are a warrior culture and the thing about warrior cultures is that unless you are a member of the Warrior Elite they fucking suck. They suck to live in and they suck to live around. The Clone Wars understood this: Mandalore was a wasteland even before the Empire nuked it. The Mandalorians themselves destroyed the planet with constant warfare. Death Watch weren’t noble warriors they were imperialistic bullies who terrorized, enslaved, and murdered defenseless civilians. We saw Bo-Katan fucking massacre a defenseless village whose women they had enslaved to perform the labor they saw as beneath them as the Warrior Elite. The Dominant political faction on Mandalor were the New Mandalorian who rejected the war mongering of their ancestors and embraced pacifism. But The Mandalorian is utterly unwilling to engage in such iconoclastic critique of the Mandalorian War culture and so instead rehabilitates that culture and in doing so rehabilitates Death Watch and it’s former members.
Problem with that is a big chunk of SW fans STILL think Andor is bad & boring. Don't ask me how to convince these guys but basicially any part of SW with no Jedi/Sith tends to scare these folks
@@ChrisDeebo Andor is a MAJOR shift from what you'd expect from Star Wars, which typically has Force users, lightsabers, fast paced action, humor, and memorable alien characters. So, I can understand where fans who think the show is "boring" or not "really Star Wars" are coming from. You saw the same thing happen with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, which had a darker tone, more fallible Starfleet characters, and a space station setting. Naturally, the show was a hard sell to Trekkies who equate Star Trek to being about space exploration in a bright, utopian future.
Here is what I think. Star Wars was great because when it came out it was never done before. It was refreshing and new and for close to three decades it was copied by other properties in there own way. It’s because of this that it’s become so mythical in pop culture that it essentially blinded people in not realizing how actually basic it was when the prequels and the new trilogy came out. It’s like dragon ball. Revolutionary for its time but has been done to death now
And like Dragon Ball, it has over time been deified to the point where every new entry will always fight a losing battle because what people want is basically to relive the memories of their childhood which by default a new entry can't really do. So really, either you're willing to go along with the ride and enjoy for what it is or you choose ultimately to just step off and seek other things.
Star Wars can easily be great again. The problem is that woke idiots at Lucasfilm hate what the fans love. We're not impossible to please. We like some things in the Disney era: Mando 1 and 2, Rogue One, Andor (to an extent), and even most of the cartoons. The problem is that those are exceptions, not the rule, and almost everything since 2020 has been garbage. Even The Mandalorian was ruined in season 3. At this point, there's enough material out there to analyze and tell why fans like some things and not others. Kennedy and her fellow termites have no excuse not to know by now.
Star Wars was never ruined for me when it came to the movies or shows or games. The only thing that got ruined for me is the idea of fandom and u can thank the godawful Star Wars fans for ruining that. Star Wars fans are truly the worst
Believe it or not there are fan bases even more divided and toxic. For instance, another favorite childhood series of mine, Dragon Ball. Literally anything that comes out is simultaneously the best and worst thing ever made.
The problem was gay people never showed up in theaters, women supported romance, men supported action flicks. At this point just build your own world , since EVIL CANNOT CREATE, THEY ONLY DESTROY ~TOKLIEN
*May 3, 2024:* Anthony Gramuglia uploads a TH-cam video explaining how Star Wars will never be as good as you remember it. Star Wars is ruined forever.
Nope, just gay people never shows up in theaters. what's the point of catering empty audience? Name me one gay action film that worked? Like just one.....
I love Star Wars, but I don't classify myself as a "Star Wars fan" because the fandom spaces are some of the most toxic places on the internet (which is *really* saying something). Star Wars is by nature pulpy, frivolous, childish, and ridiculous...which is not to say that quality doesn't matter or that it's impossible to tell emotionally deep stories. But it is to say that Star Wars was never meant to be meticulously studied as a single, consistent, perfectly aligned universe. It's just not built that way; it's a series of campy folk tales in space, and - when one relaxes and allows it to be that - there is so much to love in Star Wars.
When push comes to shove, no one thinks worse of Star Wars than the "all Star Wars is good Star Wars" crowd. Because it doesn't matter if the story is even internally inconsistence. It's just stupid space stuff. And of course, fans od it are just the worst, while you're better than them...
@@MetalSandman999 I don't think I'm "better" than folks who joylessly catalog every detail of every piece of lore, compare them to one another, and use consistency as a yard-stick for quality. But I definitely like Star Wars more than they do. Because I genuinely enjoy myself when I watch Star Wars. And, no, not everything with a Star Wars label is great. But these are movies. They're not about real people in real places, there is no real history here. Good fiction is not about meticulous detail; it's about compelling character drama. If you're interested in meticulous detail, I suggest archaeology - a discipline which is about the cataloging of material culture in the pursuit of factual truth. As opposed to fiction which is about emotional truth.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 things like compelling character drama and emotional payoffs rely on the more wooden, technical aspects of storytelling. If lore established that things work a certain way, then for there to be stakes that cause the viewer to get emotionally invested, they need to be consistent with what was established. Stakes rely on cause and effect. Imagine a gritty, realistic war movie where it is all about the protagonist trying to rescue his true love. And when he gets to her, a stray bullet hits her and he has to try to get her to the medics. That would be very dramatic. But not if, in this gritty, realistic war film, he sets her down and pulls out a jar of magical healing potion and then she's fine. Because we have established that this takes place in our universe, where magic healing potions aren't a thing. So to pull that out of nowhere deflates all the drama of the story. Now we have no reason to think if she or the protagonist ate in danger that they won't just pull out another potion or something. A story can be fun and about fantasy and still be enjoyable when you think about the plot. You shouldn't have to turn your brain off. And it's not unreasonable to expect professional writers who get paid millions of dollars to be able to master things, like plot consistency, that a college senior finishing a minor in creative writing would be expected to do
@@MetalSandman999 Richard Walter - one of the most influential screenwriting academics in history - has a whole section of his screenwriting book dedicated to the idea that plot holes don't matter. Which is not to say that one should go out of their way to be inconsistent, but it is to say that the emotionality always comes first. The professional writers I've known value character arcs, story beats, plant and payoff, and other such common storycraft concepts. Worldbuilding is useful and good and fine....but worldbuilding is for almanacs. Film is for stories. And I guarantee you - as the daughter of a creative writing professor - that most creative writing professors are grading based on the strength of a story, the beauty of the prose, and the journey of the characters. Not the ability of the writer to be entirely internally consistent.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 the idea that plotholes don't matter is dumb on its face. Academics are not all created equal. Especially in something like the humanities, where there are not as hard and fast criteria as the natural sciences, you're gonna get influences from postmodernism, as well as just some people who give spicy, edgelord takes in an attempt to stay relevant.
Star Wars fandom 🤝 Doctor Who fandom "Our decades-old sci-fi franchise that started as a kids' show is DEAD and RUINED FOREVER because of something we don't like!"
That's generally what ruins franchises. If they liked it, it wouldn't ruin the franchise. Instead of dismissing complaints, you should see WHY they don't like that content.
@@Aristocles22 Star Trek: The Next Generation wouldn't exist if its creators listened to fans who said "real Trek" must always star Captain Kirk and his crew. Not every fan criticism is credible.
@@TheVeritas1 I agree that not every fan criticism works. However, you miss the greater point. The fans wanted to bring Star Trek back after it hadn't been on television for decades. They wanted a show which was true in spirit to the original, even without Kirk. And because they kept the flame going for so long, Star Trek first got its movies in the 80s, then a new TV show, and then several more shows in the 90s and beyond. If not for the fans keeping Roddenberry's vision going, it would have stayed dead.
@@Aristocles22 And some of those Trekkies were furious when they learned the new Trek show would not focus on Kirk and company. So, they desired The New Generation to fail for not starring the "real Enterprise" crew. Never mind that the movies still featured the TOS crew they so loved. Resistance to new story ideas isn't just a Star Wars fandom thing.
Star Wars fans now talk about George Lucas the same way Livia Soprano talked about her husband Johnny Boy only AFTER he died: "Oh, that man was a saint, he was a SAINT!"
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
I've never been afraid to say i love the Sequel Trilogy. In fact, The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie. The point you made about Luke losing control of his emotions in RotJ has been one of the things i always bring up when people say "the Luke who saved his dad wouldnt try to kill his nephew". Luke basically self trained after Yoda's death. No way the most emotional Skywalker taught himself not to let emotions get to him. He lost that hope, even if it was for a brief moment. Great video
Yeah. I liked The Force Awakens when it came out but I LOVED The Last Jedi since the very first time I saw it. In fact TLJ ruined TFA for me. TLJ dared to be so interesting, and different and philosophical that TFA milk toast approach to Star Wars is now just so boring. I will never forget the hyperspeed ram scene in my theater. In that silent moment there was just a "woah" that instinctively came from someone's mouth. It was great. Not to mention that it has the best cinematography and acting in any Star Wars movie ever, specially Adam Driver, Mark Hamill and Daisy Ridley. Such a good movie. I think with time the people that hate this movie will shut up and discourse will recognise it as the undisputed best of this trilogy.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten. Whatever.
Star Wars was first "ruined" when Episode 5 revealed that Obi-Wan was a liar. Yoda, too, was a liar...by omission. Luke's two mentors LIED to him. That's big.
I can see that SW for many toxic nostalgic fans, as their fanfic idea of what franchise should be. Based on their childhood memories or what time they joined the fandom.
It ain't just SW fans either. We have this same issue in Trek right now in part because Paramount flinched when _Picard_ season 1 was met with mixed reviews and decided half way through filming season 2 that they were gonna go all in for TNG nostalgia in season 3, which started filming the day after season 2 wrapped up. If Paramount had been responded to the admittedly disasterous season 2, I could've understood and maybe even supported that myself, but most of the S1 reviews boiled down to the show not having a narrow focus moreso than not being TNG season 8. But then we got what we got in season 3, the fanboys hailed it the best season of Trek since DS9 (which they all probably hated on release 30 years ago because of the setting and/or its Black lead) and have spent the last year screaming about a "Legacy" memberberries series and blaming Paramount that Terry Matalas got picked up for a Marvel show (thank fuck, because I don't think he has an original idea in that brain of his for Trek) That one truly stands out for me as a franchise I've been apart of over half my life and distinctly remember being an _Enterprise_ fan that fanboys accused of being an enabler for the studio to continue pandering to the lowest common denominator and fans very much wanting a new show that broke from virtually unchanged TNG formula. And then we got that in Discovery, which they hated the first two seasons of Picard which they hated for the entirely wrong reasons; Lower Decks, which somehow managed to break through despite its own Black lead with an authority issue and; Prodigy, which is geared at a 6 to 11 audience but seems to be the only show not interested in living in the past. The only one they do seem to tolerate is Strangers New Worlds and I'm sure the white male lead whose actor pissed off half the only fanbase with his goy-centric takes on Israel is just a coincidence, I'm sure. 🫠
This'll be a fun comments section. I've never read any of the books and I've never given a crap about them because of that. I've heard they're amazing, I've heard they're terrible. I shrugged and read The Lord of the Rings for the fiftieth time instead.
Yeah I never read them either, honestly I never read any cómic book in my life, which is why I have a hard time connecting to superheroe films, with some exceptions, Superman: The Movie, Tim Burton's Batman, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman anr some of the initial films of the MCU. Btw, I just have the whole LOTR trilogy on PDF and I just rewatched Fellowship of the Ring on it's extended edition.
I've read Lord of the Rings 15 times now and I'm in my mid 50s. Lucas is no Tolkien, but the original Star Wars is as fun an adventure romp as you're going to find in film. Unfortunately, it was a victim of its own success. Much like Lord of the Rings was an astoundingly successful sequel to The Hobbit, The Empire Strikes Back was an astoundingly successful sequel to Star Wars. That, however, led to unrealistic expectations from fans going forward. While the next film, Return of the Jedi, was a good film, it wasn't an outstanding film like the first two, and thus the law of diminishing returns began. People's expectations about Star Wars have never been realistic. The first wasn't expected to be so good, the sequel wasn't expected to match the first, and the following films until the present have never matched up to those first two. Catching lightning in a bottle twice was already hitting the lottery as far as probability. As for myself, I haven't become a fan who has wrapped his life around any story, franchise, or series. Star Wars was meant to be fun, but there are too many fans who make it a central part of their life. Perhaps they're missing something more substantial that it takes the place of. For me, even the worst Star Wars films have been entertaining, and that puts them above many films I've seen that have been absolutely horrendous to watch. I think we, as Tolkien fans, were lucky that the Lord of the Ring films were made by someone who loved the book, too, much like the recent Dune films were made by someone who loves the Dune books. Star Wars, though, has been stretched out far longer than it was meant to be, primarily in the name of profit. Everything has to come to an end. In writing, a story isn't a story unless the problem in the plot is solved. This is much the reason why I stopped reading comic books when I was younger--they just go on and on, month after month, with no ending. I wanted a final resolution, but being vehicles to make money and not tell a satisfying story to it's conclusion, they're ultimately unsatisfying.
@@rikk319 Though the Hobbit movies were bad. I am a Tolkien fan myself, having read Lord of the Rings 7 times, same as Silmarillion, and I consider those tomes the best written literature in history. But I was bored, bored when watching Hobbit movies in cinema. Some scenes were literally pointless, like that dragon chase and statue of a dwarf made from liquid metal. They took a 200+ pages children's book and added things that killed the pacing of the story. "This is much the reason why I stopped reading comic books when I was younger--they just go on and on, month after month, with no ending" very much so. Though, it is like with the Smurfs or other periodic seris - they never end as conflict resolution would change the setting.Though it got worse with the most horrible invention that is the Multiverse. Time travel could ruin stories, but Multiverse makes them completely irrelevant, as shown in Rick and Morty. Beloved character dies? Dire consequences? Just get a version from another parallel Earth and be done with it. Rick and Morty was fresh for one or two seasons but it got old fast. Even Mortal Kombat does Multiverse now, with disastrous consequences. Because with the Multiverse, there is no consequences. If everything exists at once, everything loses its meaning. Let's see if the next Tolkien series will use Multiverse. That is the only way they could top the sheer badness of Rings of Power.
I grew up during the CGI Clone Wars series, so that period of Star Wars is the most nostalgic for me. The Last Jedi is the first movie where I felt that "I don't care about this anymore" emotion. I didn't hate the whole movie, but there were some particular fake out moments where it felt like the writers didn't commit to sacrifices that would have given meaning to the events on screen. But I came to a realization that the movies just aren't my thing, anymore. They belong to a different audience, now. The best thing for me to do now is sit my old-ass in the corner and let the kids have fun, lol.
A lot of fans, or rather, a lot of people in general I don't think are even really capable of critical narrative analysis of media because they themselves are uncreative or lack imagination. What I mean by that is, they can only determine something's worth by these arbitrary objective standards. A compelling story with an interesting theme doesn't matter to them as much as what it does to the "lore." The media gets treated as if it were actual history, like trying to deal with objective truths and the arguments are not about quality but about if it should to should not happen. This is hard for me to articulate, but it's the difference between intelligence and wisdom. These people are obsessed with the trivia of Star Wars but never the meaning behind it because they simply can't see beyond surface levels. Reading Wookiedia gives them all they think they want because they don't really care if the media itself is good or says anything. That's how you get so many fans who don't understand the Empire and the Sith are, you know BAD GUYS.
After finishing the video, I can say first hand, Jesus this is all very much on point. As someone who grew up loving the prequels, it was a huge culture shock for me to find out that these films were being hated by fans everywhere as I couldn’t understand why. Now seeing the revisionist history for these movies while people refuse to accept that Empire was never that well received in the first place until years later and failing to see the irony in how they’re reacting to the last Jedi by comparison, the only thing I hate about Star Wars, are the fans of Star Wars. The basement dwellers, the TH-camrs, the grifters, the man children who treat Star Wars like a parent coddling them from the problems of the world. These people are no better than Zack Snyder cultists and honestly idk which are worse
I get what you're saying but saying empire strikes back and the last jedi are comparable in quality is fucking insane Reception may have been similar, though (which I think is what you're saying) I like the prequels too, but did you/do you actually think that they are good movies? Because I think they're a hell of a good time for a nerd like me who knows quite a few things about the series but critically they aren't great Maybe the same could some day be said about the sequels, if they could be padded up with lore linking the movies together better and fleshing out the characters, but currently they're just objectively bad movies that feel like they were made by Disney only to milk all the money out of their new acquisition.
@@tharetsku A movie cannot be objectively bad, plain and simple, it can't. The act of critique and review is opinion, what ultimately matters is whether or not you like or dislike something. Reviews from a critic can say a film is technically inept and point out what they consider asinine writing decisions... but then another critic can say that same is put together solidly and that the writing is actually pretty good and serves the story well. In other words, you can absolutely be of the opinion that ESB and TLJ are comparable in quality and you're not wrong for that thought or fucking insane. You have an opinion. The only time is objectively bad is if we're talking stuff that promotes outright bad ideals like say Birth of a Nation which is a technically impressive film... but it's also a racist propaganda piece for the KKK.
My biggest grief with the sequel trilogy is that Ep. IX felt like they tried to make a compromise with the big haters too much. They even retconned the "compressor" bit, because Stefan Molyneux used that originally to argue that Rey was a Mary Sue.
Lucasfilm and Disney really freaked out over Solo doing poorly at the box office and concluding that a boycott by the Big Haters (great term) was responsible. Hence, we got Episode IX. The Last Jedi isn't among my favorite Star Wars films because of Canto Bight, which doesn't lead to significant character growth for Finn. Still, an imperfect swing for the fences is better than a film by committee like Episode IX.
Some things are though. Some things are even better you're an adult and you catch references and clever twists and allusions to things that you didn't catch as a kid. Not everything ages like milk.
@@MetalSandman999 I meant future products will never be as good as the stuff you first watched/grew up on (especially if you're a white heteronormative male)
@@truteal a lot of adults, even white heteronormative ones, still really enjoy a lot of content that came put after they were kids. Yes, there isn't often the magic that was there. But a lot of people still like and even love new things and can recognize that, even without the childhood magic, this or that book/movie/TV show is fantastic.
The Original Trilogy (and I mean the original theatrical cuts) will ALWAYS be as good as I remember them when I was a child growing up in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I despise what happened to the franchise after the Special Editions came out in 1997 and the terrible Prequels from 1999 to 2005. Don't get me started on the Disney garbage, because that is NOT Star Wars to me and will NEVER be!
@@sjdrifter72 I tend to agree in large part. For me, Star Wars was never a major part of my childhood. I was aware of it. I saw some parodies of the OT in cartoons and stuff since Star Wars was ubiquotous, but I never saw the original, Empire, or Spisodes II-III until I was an adult. I saw return of the jedi and The Phantom Menace as a kid without context, and they were cool but not anything I even remembered. But once I saw the Ot and prequels, I always knew the former was better. Much better. Because George Lucas's career basically Benjamin Buttoned. The OT and prequels had the same kinds of flaws and same kinds of great things, but the good things were more pronounded in the OT, and the bad things less so. If you didn''t knwo bettert, you'd think George Lucas wrote the prequels first and then the OT came later after he had refined his craft. The sequels are just not good movies. While there has been some crying wolf abotu Star Wars being dead, the author of the video, like others with a similar optimistic outlook for the sequels, overlooks one thing: the OT is still the most popular by far. There are some voices who diminish the OT to make the sequels look better, but for the most part, people who like any Star Wars at all like the OT. There are many who only like the OT, but who likes the prequels but not the OT? The OT is timeless. Or at least it is timeless compared to the others. That's why the prequels and sequels are full of memberberries. It was revolutionary for its time, but even those who were not born yet when it took the western film world by storm still watch it and love it because it's pretty great in its own right. While the sequels *might* get an uptick in popularity when the kids of today get a bit older, how many people born after 2019 will watch the sequels when they get older and think they are great movies? My guess is, not nearly as many as there are young adults who love the OT now.
Bionicle had kind of a similar origine, a guy with a brain tumor is ask by Lego in financial difficulty to came with a concept. Warriors who needs to fight a being that want take over the giant organism they are all part of.
I avoided Star Wars like the plague for a few years because my only real exposure to it was fandom racism towards Finn and sexism towards Rey. It put me off, I didn’t want to be in the company of a bunch of bigoted man babies having a perpetual temper tantrum. Once the heat died down I eventually did watch the original trilogy and I had fun with them, I can understand why they’re so influential. But I was way too old to have my mind blown like people who watched it when they were kids, and to some extent I think you need to have nostalgia for the franchise in order to be a super fan. The loudest parts of the fandom keep demanding the same experience they had when they were 11, but they’re not 11 anymore and instead of appreciating new Star Wars media for what it is or god forbid find something new, they lash out and attack the actors who are just doing their job. While I can now separate the art from the fans, I’m still put off from engaging with the Star Wars fandom because most of them need to grow up but refuse to.
Bigoted man-babies is right. I was 8 when the first Star Wars came out and loved it. When Empire came out, I was starting puberty, and Luke's journey of discovery affected me deeply. But by the time Return of the Jedi came out, I was a teen, and Star Wars no longer had a deep hold on me. Since then, Star Wars has been entertainment, not the meaning of my life. For some of these fans, I feel they've never developed emotionally past the 3rd grade, and act like it when their personal relationship with Star Wars is nudged by someone else's take on the Star Wars universe.
I don't blame you. This fandom was a dumpster fire for decades now. Watch as much Star Wars as you want, but keep avoiding the fandom like the goddamn plague
Being a child growing up during the prequels, I learned all about the EU from wookiepedia. It gave me an almost “pseudo” lore of what came before the prequels which I was loving. I grew up in the drought of the early 2000’s desert of EU. My appreciation of star wars came from learning of Star Wars, from what fans put on wookepidea. I learned so much about the eu and OT from wookiepedia. Im now all about headcanons. I didn’t know the 80-90’s Star Wars lore, so I learned from the fandom, and I loved it. It sucked how much the prequels got shit on during that time. I just love star wars
Star Wars fans should become more like comic fans. Usually, comic fans will say “wow I hated this run” but not “comics are irredeemably ruined forever.”
Man, Star Wars Episode 12: The Empire's Revengence was fucking shit. Star Wars is ruined forever now. Remember Rise of Skywalker? Now THAT was peak Star Wars. They're completely ruining Kathleen Kennedy's original vision now.
I’m personally fond of Gus Zagarella (We Are Not Alive)’s take in his video on live action Avatar series: “When you take one of the greatest shows ever made and you make a noticeably less good version, what you end up with isn’t one of the worst things ever. You get something slightly better than any Star Wars piece of media that’s ever been made.” Rather flippant, but it gave me a chuckle.
@@SirDanFilmsUnltd Funny because Palpatine is a far, far, far better villain than Ozai ever dreamed of being. If you remove Iroh, Zuko, the fights, the world building, it's no more average than Star Wars is.
Funny, because the fantasy aspect of Star Wars is rather subdued compared to other sci-fi stories. If Star Wars cannot be science fiction, neither can Star Trek. A common man with some luck, homework, and prep time can kill every Force-user from chump Padawans to Palpatine himself; you cannot say the same thing about the Q.
@@HolyknightVader999 Star Wars is actually harder SF than Star Trek, because Trek has every fantasy element that Wars has, plus teleportation. Which is a good example of why trying to pigeonhole things into classifications is stupid.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga. The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama. The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga. The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker. The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more. The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable. These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson. Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy. Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery. The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it. These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds. This trilogy is the greatest, more far-reaching, more fantastc, in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements. Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative. Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
There's no nostalgia. The prequels are amazing, so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies revolution, the exploration of new peoples, new planets, new environments, lore, mythology, the Skywalker story, the building of the open world of the Star Wars galaxy, and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
@@Astromancerguy George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true wonderful cult classics masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story, digital technologies revolution, the expansion of the lore, the mythology, the great exploration of peoples, environments, creatures, and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, the fabulous vision of George Lucas' imagination, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten. There are no "sequels", just a lazy remake trilogy but that's not part of the Star Wars world.
I’ve very fond memories of watching the original trilogy in cinemas with my dad. Some of the sequels have been good, some not so much, but as I’m now looking after my dad who has Parkinson’s, they’re some of the memories he still has, for the time being anyway and so are precious to me. Such things shape your ideas of what’s important and while I might be disappointed or hear outrage about the latest instalment, it’s always transitory to me, some things just remain.
Ive thought about this for a while. And its because Star Wars is a religion. (Stay with me here) You have the "sacred texts" the "prophesy" and "destiny". Stand ins for cannon, nostalgia and emotion. Both the beauty and curse of Star Wars is its maliability. It can mean anything. A western? A romance? A war drama? A pulp fiction? Add that with the fact alot of people likely watch this when their young and forming their identity. So what their defending is there version of Star Wars. I think...all the ugliness stems from love. You cannot hate something you didnt love first. To alot of fans Star Wars represents a time in their lives. More so than the characters and story it represents their "good memories" So when spmething new comes along... Its like watching your childhood home be destroyed. You feel hurt...you might not even have liked that house...but now that its gone it hurts all the more... I basicly think these fans refuse to move on because it means so much to them. But its inevitable that it must change. And so you rebel agaist the new...because it hurts to mich to move on. The solution? Dont take it so seriously. Remember its just a story. It doesnt hold any intrinsic meaning so it can mean anything. Let it go and you will be free and see new oportunities. Holding on to the past will lead to fear, then hate...than suffering. Letting go of control is the answer. Leting things run their course and helping where you can is the answer.
Bro, your last lesson is what Yoda taught to Anakin in Episode 3, "train yourself to let go, of everything you fear to lose", that's George Lucas lesson, attachment can be dangerous. Also Inception.
@jesustovar2549 yea I was being a bit meta and cheeky. Its a shame that fans don't reflect a bit more on the message of these movies rather than the lazerswords
Not a Star Wars fan, but with the recent trajectory of 40K I've been pondering the progression of fictional worlds. Like Star Wars, 40K's creators have retired and passed their IP to money men which, combined with the sodding fans, may put a definite life limit on the settings.
Much like Judge Dredd, the "ridiculing fascism through a fictional world" of W40K only works with people self-aware enough to know that fascism is bad. For a lot of fans of both works, fascism is the whole point of their fandom.
Seeing how everyone is seething and fighting each other over the possibility of Female Astartes being a thing, i have the feeling 40k is heading towards some "dark ages" like how it was for Star Wars when The Last Jedi released, where it completely divided the already divided fanbase and turned everyone against said media they used to love so much, it's just a matter of time.
This is the most balanced take I've ever seen. You don't seem to hate any part of the fandom, and even admit to a level of hatred of part of Star Wars yourself.
Honestly as someone who lived during the prequel bashing era, and still says revenge of the Sith is the second best movie of the original 3 I still love Star Wars, and as long as I get content like The Last Jedi, Ashoka, Star Wars Visions and the Book of Boba Fett I'm happy.
All "controversial" pieces of the Star Wars mythos and I agree build your own "cannon". Star Wars is different to everyone and I have nothing against people that like parts that I don't. Let it be for them and let what I like be for me. It doesn't have to be an all or not sum game.
@@ReelPodcasts True enough...but it's the people who lash out at what they don't like, make personal attacks, that are the toxic fanbase, or even toxic content creators on TH-cam. They wear their issues on their sleeves for anyone to notice--the ones who are perpetually stuck in that era when Star Wars was magical to THEM, and screw everyone else's opinion.
I like stuff centered around the rebellion more than stuff centered around the Jedi. The Jedi where at their best when they remained mysterious. To me, the rebellion has only gotten more interesting with more information.
That first 6 1/2 minutes was so on point I haven’t got the words. One of those things I’ve always known, heard said, even lived through, but wow. Really drove it home. Well played, sir.
I've always loved Star Wars even if its always been inconsistent. Andor is especially great and the "bricks and screws" comment is some of the worst reaches I've ever seen holy shit.
There's better takes on Star Wars than this this person comes off as extremely ignorant when it comes to talking about Star Wars his other videos are good but this one ain't it. There are legitimate criticism here but most of it just comes off as a place of ignorance.
Every time i talk to my niece or little cousins, i am humbled. Kids will love what they love, and its not fair for adults to try to ruin that. The new shera or powerpuff or proud family or mlp wasn't made for 30 year olds, it was made for little girls, and they loved it. I am not saying we shouldn't be allowed to enjoy media, but it feels like every day, you have to remind adults that they aren't the main characters anymore.
For me, a combination of watching Episode 9 and Mobile Suit Gundam ruined Star Wars for me. It turns out I like Newtypes more than Jedi, and I found Gundam's portrayal of a fascist space empire in the form of Zeon far more compelling than Star Wars's Galactic Empire. I like that Zeon soldiers are not faceless, and that the Zeon leaders are in constant conflict with each other.
Great video as a Star Wars fan, but one point, Star Wars: Death Trooper and its sequel novel were the only two Star Wars Horror novels that featured Zombies when they were published.
I can’t find the specific time stamp for it but the clip of that one guy talking about Andor kinda hits the nail on the head for what I think is up with modern Star Wars. The large scale conversation is dominated by people who don’t really give a shit about artistic quality. They just want the aesthetic of Star Wars. Because how else do you describe someone confidently saying “yeah the cinematography and acting and writing were all great. But I can see the screws holding the set together so it’s a disappointment.” That’s someone who doesn’t value the story the show’s trying to tell, they value the idea of a made up place in a story they watched as a kid and never thought critically of since.
I also think that a lot of TH-camrs who focus on specific content (like Star Wars) eventually have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for ideas, because basing a career on discussing one fandom is going to eventually run out of reasonable stuff to talk about. Not to mention that it smacks of obsession.
The people who just want the aeshtetic of Star Wars are the ones keeping rhe franchise going. Those who make specific criticism about artistic quality are usually the ones written off as toxic manbabies. After all, "all Star Wars is good Star Wars" (which really means it is all kinda dumb and just about lasers going pew pew). Shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi were big hits because it had laser swords and nostalgia, not because it was a great story choice in the context of the greater canon. Not because its own story was very good. Not because of the charactwrs either. But because it was so cool to see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Vader have the rematch of the century (even though, storywise, they havmd that in A New Hope).
You went off! This is honestly the thinking the average person has about the franchise. Once you get to the people that would attack a creator online, you get into a whole other level of fan. It’s a cycle, and people refuse to accept that history just keeps repeating itself with this franchise.
I have resigned that no one will really love Star Wars in the same way I do. Anyone who is willing to listen to me will hear hours of my intricate love for the franchise but I'm tired of quantifying what I do and don't love. I'm tired of hating. I'll love what I love and I'll share it with who will be receptive to nuaced discussion.
Don't you diss the Star Wars holiday special every time I see Mark Hamill's makeup infused smile it makes me happy and Carrie Fisher singing brings me to tears Hell are you even like the grandpa who's on vrchat looking at p***
"No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans" And no one makes me hate Star Wars more than Star Wars fans😆 Like, "Oh look! Jedi Survivor just came out and I'm having a blast-" "NO YOU FUCKING AREN'T BECAUSE THE OPTIMIZATION IS ABYSMALL!" Ok, guess Respawn's trilogy might be dead (I hope not lol). "Oh look! A new game called Jedi Fallen Order is coming out! It'll be so refreshing seeing a single player Star Wars game that is hopefully high quality-" "NO IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD BECAUSE EA!" "Oh crap, that Obi-Wan Kenobi series is actually real! I can't wait to sit down with my dad and enjoy Ewan McGregor's reprisal as Obi-Wan-" "NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WATCH IT BECAUSE BLACK WOMAN IS BADLY WRITTEN!" (I mean, yeah, but I don't care that much. The show still has its highlights.) Like, Jesus Christ, sorry for liking something you couldn't, fuck.
@@shadowsonicsilver6 I mean, the concern's fair but considering what the comment's talking about? Honestly who likes the guy that screams in your face that it won't be good and tries to basically force you into their line of thinking?
"I can't wait to see with my Dad and see Ewan McGregor's reprisal as Obi-Wan" I had high expectations for the series, especially when they announced it as a movie, I'm glad if you enjoyed it, I love the prequels. Btw, those Jedi games by EA are the best thing of Star Wars in a long time, at least the games aren't ruined.
Some people aren't happy unless everyone thinks just like them. I think, in a lot of ways, those are the "fans" who identify heavily with Vader, and spout off ridiculous shit like "The Empire wasn't wrong." Fascists and authoritarians aren't just people from the 30s and 40s.
Speaking as someone who loves most of what the Disney era of Star Wars has given us (even Rise of Skywalker), I don't have the energy to confront Star Wars fans. I was a Prequel era kid, who grew up on the LEGO games, who went through his own "Prequels bad" era that *everyone* was going through at one point in time. I just want to be able to explain why I love the things I do without being hounded by fans. Rey Skywalker is my favorite Star Wars character, so whenever people compare her to Asohka to bring Rey down (before the Asohka show would make these numbnuts turn on her), it turned me away from talking with other fans and turned me away from looking further into the Clone Wars TV series. Meanwhile characters like Starkiller (an extremely boring protagonist who indirectly ends up being the inspiration for the Rebellion, which I hate on a conceptual level) get a pass. Not everyone will agree with my opinion on Starkiller, but I hate how I will potentially get more harassment for liking Rey and disliking Starkiller than the other way around. It's frustrating. I just want to be able to give my perspective on Star Wars without feeling like I have to paint a target behind my back, all because I think the new movies are respectful to the previous movies.
If you don't mind me jumping in with some of my own thoughts, I think one of the reasons why Starkiller gets a pass is the same reason a ton of the video game protags of Star Wars got a pass. Nostalgia and people being able to control them. I guarantee you if Starkiller was introduced in a movie or a TV show first? People would HATE him. Hell, I remember people didn't really care for him back in 2008. Same with Ahsoka, there are several comments from people back when the old TCW movie came out where these same fans shat all over her and the series that followed. Hell, I remember when season 5 was announced to be where the series ended and after the response to that where people started petitions and more? They announced the then Netflix-exclusive season and showed a clip as a preview... and that clip pissed these same people off because they thought it was retconning and ruining Episode III because these fans to be blunt are not fans of Star Wars, they are SLAVES to its lore. They are fans of the Star Wars they grew up with and would rather that be constantly preserved in amber and whenever ANYTHING threatens that they complain and cry and claim it's ruined. It happens with Marvel, it happens with Star Wars, anime, video games and more. Really it's people refusing their childhood isn't ruined but rather they're grown up and are finding that certain things aren't vibing like they used to and instead of doing the thing people really should do when that happens which is accept that a series is not for them and then move on? They're too prideful and ignorant to consider that. To paraphrase the Simpsons meme with Principal Skinner almost verbatim. They don't want to admit they're out-of-touch, it's the children who are wrong to them.
First off, I may come across a bit heated here, but I seriously do want ok have this discussion, so bear with me. Why do you think the new movies are respectful to the originals? The reason they exist is for teen to make profit for Disney. They aren't made by one crazy guy who had a vision about a galaxy far far away. They're made by loads of people, who all have different views of what star wars is and should be, making the trilogy an absolute mess. I think that Abrams could've made an interesting trilogy, and I think the same of Johnson. But together, with conflicting views on the characters, settings, themes, rules, *everything*, the trilogy comes out a mess. I am very curious as to why Rey is your favourite character also. I know favourite≠best, but I know that it's possible you think she's both. I think that it's definitely OK to like her, of course, as it is to like jar jar binks, but I think saying that they are better, or even good for that matter in terms of character writing is about equally ludicrous to me. I have so many thoughts about this series, and presumably so do you, and I'd be happy to discuss them with you as it seems mine seem to be quite different from yours.
@@tharetsku If you are asking the questions like this? I'm just gonna be blunt here, I believe you when you say you want to have a discussion, I just don't think you're as open-minded as you think to accept that. The thing is, you have these opinions of the sequels, another doesn't and it's simple as that. Two people can come into one piece of media and come out with very differing opinions. Since I saw one of your comments mentioning this, I'd ask why you'd ask this when you liked the Bay-led Transformers films. I'd say that because critically? They are very much not considered good movies with quite a few fans even hating them. However there are people who have come out of those movies liking them just fine and really it comes down to different tastes. Them reviewing badly doesn't mean they're "objectively" bad. What it means is that the general consensus among critics are that they're bad but otherwise people are still free to have their own opinions. The only time you can bring objectivity into the argument is if you are stating the facts in like an article so if you are writing an article about the Bayverse films and their reception? You have to acknowledge they are generally not well-liked. But if you enjoy them? You're free to enjoy them and you can have your own rationalizations for why scenes work for you and so on. It is not a fact the sequels are disrespectful to the original films, it is an opinion and really it's not even that, it's disrespectful to how you view the old films which is likely because unlike the old films? The sequels are not your childhood. You didn't grow up with TFA, TLJ and TROS, you likely grew up with there being one Star Wars trilogy and thus your views of those movies will always have that advantage of being the thing that got you into it and sparked your imagination. To use Transformers as an example, I grew up with the Unicron Trilogy which were three localized anime series and the movies. It took me years before I went back and watched G1 and I found from watching it that I didn't like it, finding that while it was fun? It was little more than a cheesy glorified toy commercial with the standard production values one would expect from a cartoon of its day. Of course that's not to take away from the experiences of those who grew up with it and thus recognize it as their Transformers and how they love it but that's my reality. Hell going back to those old shows and movies I used to like? I found I didn't care for the Bayverse films upon rewatching with fresh eyes free of nostalgia and really that's the thing about long-running franchises. Star Wars is as perfect as any other series in that it's not. It's just that depending on the person getting into it, what age you're getting into it at, what's available and what notions you have going into it? Each person is gonna come out with differing takes. There's no such thing as objectivity with this series because your reaction is based entirely on your personal feelings. Case in point, if you don't like the ST or the PT? It's not that the other person's wrong, it's that you just don't like them, they just didn't click with you like they did with others and for a great deal of movies, there are always things to find that people will like. CinemaWins in particular is a great TH-cam channel for pointing this out because it even covers films that the person running it may not even like and they will be honest about it but they'll still cover a movie fairly in terms of counting off the wins and one might find through the experience there's things they didn't consider. Perhaps they don't walk out with the opinion changed but that's not the purpose. In particular one thing I'm drawn to is how there's a point during specifically his video on Joker where he explains how if you pick apart any movie, you will always find problems, flawless movies don't exist and how problems bother us depend on how we feel about the movie and it affects everybody. Critics for example will often be harsher towards movies because due to the nature of their job they have to watch several movies, even those of genres they may not like and sometimes multiple films in a row. They love the art of film but they also have spent so much time dissecting it as a job that it's hard to sometimes watch a film to enjoy it or even get with a movie's vibe right away depending on when they got to it. It also could've been watched on the day of a tragedy which means they end up associating unconsciously that film with the tragic event. Also every movie falls to pieces when you pick it apart. When you stop watching it as a form of entertainment and are looking for the seams and imperfections, you'll see the cracks.
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 I was 9 years old when the force awakens came out, and I liked it more than episodes I and II. I had shirts, posters and a pencil case with Kylo Ren because I thought he was very cool. I've always been kind of a negative person, but fiction has always been my escape. Things like transformers, star wars, the lord of the rings, and the hobbit make up over half of my fondest memories with my family and friends. I don't know what you consider "growing up" but I don't think being 17 currently that I'm even close to being done. So I'd argue that I grew up with the ST. And I can't remember what I exactly said about the bayverse, but what I think about those movies is that they're very dumb and very over the top, but to me they're a pretty good time. But in those films I think the character of optimus prime is brutally butchered, much like I think the ST did to Luke. In the bayverse optimus is a somewhat edgy killing machine, not the compassionate loving giant capable of great things he is in for example in transformers prime (the show I grew up on). Luke in the sequel trilogy has his moments obviously, but I still think that him almost killing *the son of his (best?) friend* is not in his character in the slightest. That's why after the last jedi I started viewing the ST as its own thing, separate from the complete story of Anakin Skywalker that is episodes I through VI. I'm pretty much rambling now and I can't really see what I'm exactly trying to say or the point I'm trying to make, but I still think that the main thing the ST is, is a whole lot of wasted potential. Also sorry if there are typos, English isn't my firtt language and my autocorrect is absolutely feral. And thank you very much for your well thought out and well worded reply.
Star Wars is itself a reconstruction of old adventure and space opera scifi. It was "obsolete" in 1977. People looked at George like he was crazy to want to make something "like Flash Gordon." Yet he was right. There's no point in deconstructing it; space opera had already been taken apart long before Star Wars and George put it back together. A deconstruction was seen as offensive and pointless. Case in point, the box office numbers plunged. It still made money, but that was only due to people still hoping that TLJ would make TFA make sense. It didn't.
For OG Star Wars fans who grew up with the hope filled Luke, the greatly progressed Han, the e "sister has it Leia", and the ladies man, pragmatic, saviour of the fleet Lando, later films ruined out Star Wars. The prequels lacked the emotional input... of Marcia Lucas, The force presented the clarity of light and dark.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies of all time-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga. The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama. The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga. The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker. The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more. The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable. These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson. Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy. Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery. The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it. These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds. This trilogy is the greatest, most ambitious, and best-executed in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements. Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative. Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
The prequels are so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan I'm not saying that the prequels weren't good. They have far exceeded much of Disney's distortions. As a relatively minor point, all I'm saying is that "The prequels lacked the emotional input... of Marcia Lucas," When I watched The Phantom Menace on it's opening day in Leicester Square, there was a far greater cheer at the opening credits with the Lcasfilm logo than the half hearted one at the end. But the prequels have strengths to the extent that especially people from that era may prefer them. My pinnacle was RtJ which is also a controversial take.
As someone who read a lot of the old books… God were they bad. I loved them as a kid, but I basically only read the bad ones. I cringe thinking about stuff like the giant earthworm scene in Courtship of Princess Leia.
I've read a lot of books in different fandoms over the years. Going back to read stuff you loved as a kid is usually a recipe for disappointment and disaster. I did the same with The Hardy Boys series, a lot of Star Wars expanded universe, D&D novels...but I have to say, there were novels that stood out among the trash.
I remember people being upset that Rey was Palpatine's granddaughter and wondering why when he already has an grandson in the novels. I thought you guys liked the EU?
@@Veylon Triclops CLAIMED to be Palpatine s kiddo, several writers disaggred on if he was true son of Palpy or not and he is a silly cartoony idea that no one takes seriously from what ı know.From what ı remember he was a warden that tried to take over the empire with his Moff buddy (Who has lines like "I bid you all dark greetings!") . He ended up failing miserably. Not really defending it since ı havent even read those books but know about him from some memes. Just saying there is a gap between Palpatine s heroic daughter oc that saves the galaxy and obscure guy that may or may not be related to Palpatine that dies in a ditch before achieving anything.
@@Yusufqxq I was talking about Ken (the titular Jedi Prince), who IIRC, was the son of Triocules, Palpatine's real son. I did read the books and however bad and silly you think they were, they were definitely worse. I like to bring these series up any time someone puts on their rose colored glasses about the EU and it's lore.
Courtship is...weird. I recently listened to the new audiobook, which was my first experience with the story so I don't have the nostalgia filter for it. It simultaneously has some of my favorite and stupidest moments in the EU. Luke's force healing scene? Fantastic, love it. Perfect explanation for how Force healing works and is consistent with how Qui-Gon couldn't be healed. But it's followed by Luke acting arrogant to the point of being out of character and doesn't gel at all with how he acts in the Thrawn trilogy which immediately follows it. The courtship between Han and Leia itself? Boring and at times outright cringeworthy (you know what I'm talking about). Isolder? Wonderful new character. I had more fun with him and Luke than I did with the two characters the book is supposed to be about.
I remember back in the day people saying Star Wars was ruined when Return of the Jedi came out and there were Ewoks. I saw the original in it's first run and grew up when Star Wars got "Ruined" by the holiday special. We can all agree THAT was awful. The rest has been fine. I was always confused by all this bullshit thrown around at every release. I have said for years that nobody hates Star Wars as much as a Star Wars fan. I can't even with this kids screaming hate online over this shit. It's embarrassing.
It is 13,700,000,000 BCE. A singularity expands rapidly, time flows and events can begin. Now with time and matter, movies can eventually exist. And Star Wars is ruined forever
But in all seriousness though I'm so tired of the endless regurgitation of "mAh star wars is ruined forever 😩" especially in the so-called "Disney era" it is ridiculous non-troversy that has plagued this franchise for decades I personally blame Gen X and early millennials for this blind worship of star wars and letting their overhype and expectations get in the way but that is just me
As a man in his 50s and a student of history, I've found it ironic to blame an entire generation for the flaws of a segment of their population. Realistically, the blame lays on the prior generation for parenting the next into that kind of behavior.
Gen Z (whom is mostly loyal to the Prequels) are also huge haters of the Sequels. It's just bad. Yes you could endlessly argue "oh but the old fans also said the same thing about the prequels that we say about the Disney era!", but it'd be wrong. The prequels, even at their worst (which, was most of its actual theatrical run. Nothing can salvage the first two movies) atleast advanced the worldbuilding in novel and frankly, smart ways. The basis for what was set up in those movies led to the Clone Wars show and the entirety of the Old Republic setting. The Disney sequels feel dead. They didn't establish anything. It doomed Star Wars to eat it's own metaphorical tail by endlessly rehashing Prequel and OT content because of how terrible of a base the Sequels content are.
@@arthurg.calixto3338tons of children love the sequels. Those children will grow up to make TH-cam video about how they are underwater just like children that grew up with the prequels
@@damiantirado9616 Look at things from an objective standpoint. Count how many spinoffs were generated from the worldbuilding of the sequels vs the prequels, how many cool videogames draw from Prequel and Sequel material, how many books. They're simply not the same Even if these kids do end up wanting to defend the sequels they'll have little to defend it with.
@@arthurg.calixto3338 Oh yes the sequel fans are going to defend the sequels cause those movies stand on their own unlike the prequels who need a children’s tv show on Cartoon Network to be seen. The clone wars A children’s cartoon doesn’t make a movie good. The prequels are still bad. The sequels don’t need a children’s cartoon cause the people that love the prequels can actually defend the movies themselves cause they have better writing than the prequels.
The OG Harmy edits of the first Star Wars trilogy always feel good to me, and are always as good as I remember. Just like the original LOTR and many other classic films.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
As someone who considers themselves a Star Wars fan, I agree with the majority of what you said I also agree that way too many people push their opinions out there to feed things down to us (which made me one of them for a while) Thank you so much for your time and thoughts on this topic. I will love what I love because of what I love, and let everyone else love what they love
I played and beat Knights of the Old Republic, and while I thought the story/characters were great, I'd still argue that game is not a masterpiece by any means from a gameplay standpoint (some tedious fights and frustrating puzzles like Manaan and Korriban) and there were a lot of weird gameplay contrivances, like the fact that there was no logical reason for why your companions were still incapacitated before going to fight the final boss. I mean, she incapacitates your companions because she went evil but then turns good and they're still incapacitated? Why? Also tbh the Malak fight is just badly designed, and the fact that one of the best ways to do it is to cheese it by running around shocking his bacta tanks and then freezing him in place while spamming projectiles is proof of that.
This is not just a problem with Star Wars fandom but I am noticing this behaviour from other IPs like Transformers, Marvel Comics, DC comics etc. These people treat their favorite pop culture content as religion and anytime someone decides to make a new take on any of these properties, they are attacked and ridiculed as if they committed blasphemy.
8:12 "It feels half a time no one hates Star Wars more than the average Star Wars fan". As a Star Wars fan dillusioned not with the new media, but with the fandom, that's exactly right. The hate and vitriol is so dense that I grew tire with every new release not because of its quality, but out of worry about the most likely backlash it will face.
I grew up on the OTs and it still boggles my mind that there are gatekeepers “protecting” the Prequels. Discovering there’s a reactionary “old guard” younger than you really puts things into perspective.
I'm old enough to have seen Return of the Jedi in the theatre, but episodes 1-3 ruined Star Wars for me. I liked Rogue One, and that was the only of the "new" Star Wars re-boots I've seen until Force awakens. But even when I liked the new characters, the plot is exactly that of A New Hope, down to the destroying the massive weapon with one shot. I found it lazy. That's the problem, not the black storm trooper or Rey being too good at things. The lack of a cohesive universe in Star Wars shows. The first films were ok, because they did not dig deep, but episodes 1-3 tried to give a backstory that simply made no sense. All Jedis in a galaxy disappearing and being forgotten in one generation makes no sense. It's been 700 years since the Knits Templar were disbanded (the actual knights did not just vanish, some were killed, but not all) and people still make conspiracy theories about them. I think George Lucas wanted a story as a vehicle to do all the cool special effects he wanted, he was not trying to create a universe like the one of Tolkien or Ursula K LeGuin. People just insist in putting a lot of meaning into the story that just isn't there.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga. The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama. The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga. The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker. The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more. The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable. These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson. Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy. Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery. The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it. These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds. This trilogy is the greatest, most ambitious, and best-executed in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements. Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative. Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
The prequels are so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
I think the biggest factor in the genuine disappointment of fans comes from the fact that when your a kid amazement of seeing something new & something that brings you joy is different than adult thinking. As kids we aren't as critical or concerned about believability. However when you are an adult it takes more than shiny objects to be satisfied. Secondly one of the biggest factor in how people become addicts or why serial killers escalate is because they are chasing that first high. However no matter what they do or try you can never get that back. Also Star Wars was written for kids but selfish people can handle that reality so they hate that naive storytelling isn't adult oriented. I really enjoyed the fact that someone finally had the guts to point out Star Wars has always be inconsistent it is why "From a Certain Point of View" storytelling exists. What bothers me perhaps more than anything is the revisionist history. People love to conveniently ignore that George Lucas was shredded and criticized for everything post Empire. The Ewoks were the original trilogy's Jar Jar. People destroyed the creator of Star Wars for updating his own creation when he released the Special Edition. They accused him of ruining Star Wars. The first 2 movies in the prequel trilogy were shredded by fans. Some demanded George Lucas let someone else take over the helm. Even to some extent people were overly critical of the Clone Wars series. They said it was to childish & they had Ahsoka for 2 seasons. So I find it hilarious that people people ignore of the first six movies half were hated/heavily criticized. Not to crap on George Lucas but when you really examine his 1977 & forward filmmaking most it is hit or miss with plenty of criticism leveled at. Therefore when you really think about the reasons George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney you can't ignore that the Fandom made it easier for him to do it. I think people are fools to act like the criticism & angry fanbase is exclusive to the Disney era. Now I will not blame anyone who is critical of the sequel trilogy because it is absolutely obvious there was no road map or agreed upon story beats or plan when they chose who would direct or what the story was about. The worst part of Star Wars nowadays is the age of social media & TH-cam. Views, clicks & clout chasing not diversity has destroyed Star Wars. Click bait & hate are rewarded by the algorithm allowing negativity to be be monetize. Sadly in our world scandal, fear & hate gets more attention than genuine critical analysis, enjoyment & positivity. As a result of that creators who have no principled belief or sense shame will crap all over things sight unseen to attract controversy that can be monetized. Take for example the Acolyte the showrunner made some comments that offended the sensibilities of racists, sexists, incels & revisionist historians so from that moment on shitting all over the show has been gold for those creators. Negativity is rewarded because human nature seems to be drawn to controversy & conflict it is far sexier than contentment. Proof of this can easily be found by looking the reactions to the Acolyte trailer. All of the ones that crap all over it have far more views than anything that is neutral or positive. Yet when you watch the hate reactions there is nothing of substance. People who have no idea that words & concepts have defined meanings love to throw around "woke" yet have no fundamental understanding of what that even means. They just know it gets them views and makes them money. I am completely open to things being criticized and people not liking something but the faux rage & anger is laughably ignorant & simply a performance. I am also so FN tired of the morons & fools that declare they are done with Star Wars and not going to waste any more time on it yet put out a video every time something new is released. Additionally they always tend to be the first one to be commenting on whatever just came out. I dont know about anyone else when I lose interest in something I sure as hell am not racing to put out content. If you truly have quit something you walk away your not the first one talking about it. There is no one who put out a hate video after the Acolyte trailer was released that judged it strictly on the content of what was released it was all culture war BS.
Hey, you, reading the comments. Do yourself a favor and restart the video with "Pruit Igoe And Prophecies" from the Watchman Soundtrack queued up in another window. You're welcome.
Seconded. If only TH-cam didn't block videos for using music like that...
Knowing the track and its use in Watchmen, I understood you immediately. Don't even need to do it to compare it to the perfection of Spencer & Burton as a complementary pair. Nicely done, Ser.
Also check out the KOYANNISQUASTI movie the music was first composed for. 🙏🏼
(Tho I do agree that putting it in that scene of Watchmen 2009 was a Kubrick-tier genius move.)
@@davidw.2791 Can't believe this is the only response to this pinned comment that notes that music is not original to Watchmen.
@@RNNNPTH I have the “Watchmen Minute” podcast to thank for that.
It is1428. Ashikaga Yoshimochi, the fourth shogun, was ill and the question of his succession arose. Ashikaga Yoshikazu, the 5th shogun, died of illness at the age of 19, so the 6th shogun was chosen from among Yoshimochi's four brothers, and to ensure fairness, a lottery was held. The sixth shogun was Ashikaga Yoshinori. However, he was not educated to be a shogun, and his temperamental and despotic behavior caused resentment. Akamatsu Mitsusuke assassinated him during the Kakitsu Rebellion. This led to instability in the Ashikaga shogunate system. The shogunate gradually lost influence and control over the daimyo. Thus, the Sengoku Jidai began.....ruining Star Wars
And that’s when Toranaga said “It’s Shogunin’ time!” And shogunned all over the places…ruining Star Wars forever.
@@nont18411 Well, the rangers DID have the Shogunzords in season 3. :D
@@nont18411they shogooned indeed.
@@nont18411 Ishido tried his best to stop him, but Crimson Sky ruined Star Wars forever!
LMAO
This video is the YT version of that decades-old article that stated Star Wars fans love the idea of Star Wars but hate Star Wars media itself.
I think they just hate bad writing modern Star Wars could have been the best media around if they could manage to tell good stories
@@bonedaddy9563nah, it’s been pretty much all media after the originals. Only recently the Prequels are getting love.
Sounds like how I feel about Christianity.
@@williamdixon-gk2sk Catholicism is the true Christianity.
Star wars njo series still remains the best of what the fanchrise is able to offer.
This video illustrates a point that I have observed for many years: Star wars is not a fandom, it is a religion. And like many religions it unfortunately has many people who are fanatically obsessed with it and idolize it and will do anything to promote it or harm others in the name of it, namely bullying actors and screenwriters.
Exactly. Kids' movies turned into two religions completely by accident. This fact should be _studied._
Who knew people putting 'Jedi' on the sensus weren't joking...
1944: George Lucas is born in 33 years he'll write the screenplays that will become star wars.....at this time star wars is ruined forever! 😂😂😂
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1976: George Lucas writes "Star Wars"; the 1999 short film "George Lucas In Love" is ruined forever.
Watching Star Wars for its acting and/or dialogue is like listening to '70s funk music for its lyrics. 🤷♂
1913: George Walton Lucas Sr. is born, in 31 years his son George Lucas will be born...at this time Star Wars is ruined forever!
13.7 billion years ago an instability in the singularity would cause it to expand forming the universe, in this universe George Lucas would be born, Star wars is ruined forever.
"Kids born when the Force Awakens came out are 9."
Great now I feel old
I literally had to pause the video at that point lmao
9 years?! I remember seeing that in theaters...
I was 12 when it came out now I'm an adult...
My first Star Wars film is The Last Jedi
It’s 1949, mythology scholar Joseph Campbell publishes his book on comparative mythology “The Hero With a Thousand Faces” where he argues for his “mono-myth” theory: that all myths across all human cultures follow a similar structure.
This will inspire a promising experimental filmmaker to rework his many bizarre, creative, and outlandish sci-fi / fantasy ideas into this basic story structure. And so, Star Wars was ruined forever.
Oo, oo, this reminds me, Maggie Mae Fish has a great video about him and his book!
I can’t believe this video essay ruined starwars forever like that.
The only way to cope is Star Wars Episode 1: Racer. Which is just F-Zero with a Star Wars skin. And Star Wars: Tie Fighter.
@@Gaia_BentosZX5 episode 1 racer was one of the first pc games I ever loved.
I love Star Wars, but it's not a perfect series. Even the original films are flawed. To use Luke's word, the series has been deified, and is now expected to meet standards no media could possibly achieve.
That's a fair assessment.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten. Whatever.
"The fans didn't know what they wanted", yes, that's the problem, in the end a lot of old successful stories were lightning in a bottle, we try to replicate the unreplicactable, and the people who least understand that are executives whose MBA training just rot their brains to anything that's not profit-maximizing.
I'm reminded of the Henry Ford quote after his Model A came out: "If I had asked consumers what they wanted, they would've asked for faster horses."
Studio bean counters have got to let creatives sell our Model A rather than pandering to consumers who think a faster horse exists.
Also the need for replicability. And “sustainable growth” from that replicability of success. And the obsession with recreating success.
Seems like success in entertainment isn’t as formulaic as management might think.
I’m a casual Star Wars fan, but I am a hard core Transformers fan. And on the Transformers wiki fan page, they have an article called “RUINED FOREVER” whenever the same happens to that franchise. Like Transformers earthspark is woke garbage; ie Transformers is ruined forever
I grew up on transformers prime myself and haven't really watched anything other than that (except the Michael Bay movies, which I thought were fun, stupid, and filled with extremely good vfx) but I remember that show being fucking amazing
I think my morality and personality got affected in a major way by transformers, especially optimus
I'm quite a big star wars fan, and the series will always hold a special place in my heart, but I haven't really enjoyed anything new that's come out so I disconnected myself from it entirely, stickigg to what I like. But I still think it has been "ruined" for me, at least a little bit.
For that reason, I kind of don't even want to see anything else about transformers, and just hold on to my dear memories of being a kid and waking up at 6am to watch some big ass car robots kick ass before school.
I grew up with the 1st BayVerse Transformers, but I immediately snapped out of it when I hated Revenge of the Fallen. I couldn't stand the characters, hated the fact that Optimus Prime is dead most of the film cuz now we are stuck with the awful characters, and the Final Battle was a big waste of time.
I couldn't agree more, every new piece of media for Transformers gets immediate hate with very little basis. It's baffling to me how hateful and emotional people can get over new parts of franchises that they are very free to ignore.
The page for Earth starts with a timeline for the real world earth and opens by saying Transformers was ruined since the big bang
I'm a hardcore fan of both, but learned early on as a TF fan that hardcore fans are a tiny, though loud, group. And the first part of being a hardcore fan of anything is to realize that you don't matter. To be popular, a brand has to appeal to more than just a handful of loud nerds. TF figured that out eventually. Star Wars always knew it.
I am one of those Gen X'ers who grew up with the original trilogy, who pestered their parents to go and see it at the cinema (well, Return of the Jedi is the only one I clearly remember) but I had the movies on VHS.
I was at Uni when Phantom Menace came out and most of my friends though the film was garbage. I didn't mind it, it wasn't the Star Wars I loved, but it was enough Star Wars for me to enjoy. It wasn't until I attended a midnight screening for Revenge of the Sith that I realised that this generation had a different view of Star Wars. Because I was a bit of a nerd I had an Emperor Palpatine robe and sitting in the front row. While we were waiting for midnight, a kid, 7 or 8 years old, in a Darth Vader costume ran up to me and knelt down in front of my and said "Your bidding master" (because he had clearly seen the original films) so in my best emperor voice I said "Rise, Lord Vader". The kid jumps up and runs to his father and is pointing to me. His dad came up to me after the film and said "Thank you for that, my son is so happy"
That kid will be one of those who views the prequels to be the best Star Wars and I can't honestly say that it is wrong for him to think that. I might disagree, but I wasn't a 7 or 8 year old dressed as Darth Vader who met the Emperor at the cinema.
But maybe I am not a true Star Wars fan because I can except that something i like does not mean it is objectively good.
That kid story is so wholesome 🥰
But yeah, I'm one of the few who still refuses to rep for the prequels just because the sequels failed but I refuse to tell kids that it's not a good film or they can't enjoy it.
I'm one of those gen X-ers. I wanted my mum to make my hair like princess Leia, saw the prequels while at Uni, and still cannot understand why people take it so seriously. I also enjoyed Indiana Jones movies, but can't stomach to re-watch them, because there are many things wrong with them, and its fine. I still like the Sword in the Stone, that I can still watch.
Have watched recently with my 10yo the main movies (even though he'd watched some Clone Wars with me) in the order IV - V - VI - I - II - III - VII - VIII - XIX (to my surprise, he didn't know The Reveal so we did it like this). He loved it all but mostly the sequels, because of course, it's what's most like the media he consumes! Watching his enthusiasm reminded me of why it's good that content keeps getting made and I hope Disney doesn't stop because of the original trilogy Karens and prequel Karens.
So you’re saying we should all like Star Wars movies and avoid criticizing them because they are for kids
@@alejandramoreno6625lol Indiana Jones movies are near perfection they barely have any flaws what are you talking about 😂
I’ve always maintained that Star Wars always thrives in the hands of multiple people. Star Wars has always been written by folks who aren’t George Lucas, Timothy Zahn, Micheal A Stackpole, John Jackson Miller, the clone wars writers team etc. I think it’s healthy to put this universe in the hands of multiple artists, hell a lot of my favourite stuff from SW Lucas probably never even glanced at! Hell nowadays I think I prefer Star Wars in cartoon form! The idea that a series like this can ever be permanently ruined is absurd to me. Folks are free to walk away at any time.
Stuff like Visions, which is done by multiple different studios and creators, and where each episode is its own universe and story with a SW coat of paint, the sky is the limit with what you can write. Doesn't even need to be part of the main canon.
Drew Karpyshyn. Don't forget he who made the best story ever written, the Darth Bane trilogy
I don't think GL ever wanted to make a comprehensive and cohesive universe, it's better if other people work on it.
@@alejandramoreno6625that’s something I agree with. Different artists should do whatever they want to the Star Wars movies as long as it tells a good story. Lore doesn’t matter
Seeing Rise of Skywalker in theaters was an… interesting experience. However, there was one moment that’s always going to stick with me. When I walked out of the theater, there was this small child dressed as Rey about to see the movie at 10:00 at night. I‘ve long since lost interest in Star Wars due to how much of it there is, how I’ve realized how uncomfortable the fandom is, and just the fact that I’m an adult now who has more stuff going on in my life, but I think the beautiful thing about Star Wars is how it continues to live in with each passing generation, and whenever I see grown adults complaining to such an extreme extent about how the movies aren’t for them anymore, I can’t help but feel like they’re missing the point.
Feeling like Marvel fans are becoming the new star wars fans, and thats coming from a guy who grew up with comic books and still likes the mcu
Great video, per usual.
Same feeling here. I have to watch an MCU, in the back of my mind, all I'm thinking is "Someone hates this movie because of these five things"
Star Wars declined slowly and with some brief periods of hope. Marvel's decline started out slow, but sped WAY up after 2021.
@@Aristocles22 I'd say it's pretty accurate when considering how much now people are deifying the old MCU, citing how the first three phases were amazing because it was planned and had one consistent story while these days films are just spinning their wheels being more corporate endeavors.
What they ignore is that the reality couldn't be farther from the truth. The MCU had NO plan whatsoever. It was being distributed by Paramount with the idea being that by making their own shared universe, Marvel could basically get the success of film series such as Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and Fox's X-Men while also seeing much, much more of the profits and having more direct control and we still ran into criticisms. People would call out certain films as feeling like plain filler even though their purpose is to be a good solo movie first and connect to the larger story second. I remember when just three movies after the first Avengers with the Thanos teaser people suddenly went "Okay what's going on with Thanos? Is this ever gonna go anywhere.". Thing is like Star Wars, those first three phases have basically gone down in history as a cultural event. You have people who can properly state they grew up with these movies now and are coming into it with everything laid out and are able to judge it as this one complete package but with that also comes nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses which brings along with it some light revisions to the history. We sweep under the rug that people were talking superhero fatigue as soon as we got past the first Avengers and act like now is when things got bad when really? I'd say it's more that people are just realizing that the long-running series which is gonna keep going basically is going the way of comics where unless the money truly dries up and the company just can't go on anymore? It's never gonna stop so you have to make a conscious choice. Are you willing to just move away from the series because the ride is growing stale and you're finding it's not working for you anymore or do you stick with it because it is?
or transformers fans
they want HasTak to "stop redoing G1" but at the same time when HasTak does newshit, they whine because "it ain't GeeWunn enuff"
Your intro segment reminded me of that one Pacific Rim meme: "At first, Star Wars appeared to have been ruined forever around once every decade. Then, it was ruined forever every five years. Then it became ruined every two years. Now, we are seeing Star Wars being ruined every year. In less than six months, we could see Star Wars being ruined forever every week."
I was really into Pacific Rim and I have sadly never seen this meme before, this is great, thank you 😂
to my 11 year old nephew, Disney star wars is star wars. Star wars is and will always be a cyclical franchise with little foresight into the future from the fanbase.
Good video.
Princess Weekes said it best
"If the parallels of original star wars to Vietnam war were more obvious and US was meant to be the Evil Empire, I don't think most fans today would've liked it"
I'm paraphrasing but Stars wars always had a reactionary fanbase terrified of change and challenging their beliefs
For us in Poland, it was a literal new hope against the oppressive communist regime (the same one that also used the word "reactionary" to put innocent people in jail for political dissent).The Empire was the Polish Socialist Party.
@@azradun3903niby tak. To wszystko zależy od czasów i od kraju. Na przykład teraz to Rosja jest Imperium.
I find that very hard to believe, seeing as how Star Wars changed Hollywood in the late 70s, the story is about growing up and changing, and Luke's beliefs are explicitly put to the best in the OT. We don't want things to never, ever change, nor do we want the same story retold over and over again with some wokeness thrown in. That's the "sequels" in a nutshell.
What we actually want is for the story to grow in a logical manner which respects the past, not craps all over it. We want believable characters, not MaRey Sue Palpatines. We want consistency in the universe, not stagnation. Labeling us with bad names just because we don't like what Disney has done to our beloved franchise is just an attempt to whip us into obedience, not actually address the real problems Star Wars has.
Actually, most fans would've loved it. Then they'd write an EU story where the Rebels get squashed by the Empire after ROTJ once some new guy, preferably Thrawn, takes over the Empire.
@@Aristocles22 I think you're exemplifying the original poster. The guy who made this video pointed out this exact response--sure, the sequels have lackluster writing and direction, but Disney is a corporation in the business of turning a profit, so they reacted to the reactions of the prior two films when making Rise of Skywalker and tried to satisfy both ends of the spectrum, and failed spectacularly doing so.
If you know anything about story craft, any narrative is expected to see the protagonist change and develop by the end. All plots must have a problem. The protagonist is supposed to be the one who solves the problem or has a major part in it. The problem must be solved by the end of the narrative. If you don't want things to never, ever change, you're professing your diametric opposition to the very basis of storytelling--that all stories are, at their core, a retelling of the journey through life itself, as life is change, from birth to death.
Star Wars was ruined when it got one of the world’s largest fan bases
This could be applied to a lot of franchises.
Star Wars appeals to the child in us all. Which is why the fans are so childish.
@@MilesDashing No, it's more because those now running Lucasfilm don't fundamentally understand what made SW so beloved in the first place (ditto those now in charge of Star Trek and Doctor Who).
No it wasn't ruined by the large fanbase. In fact, if it wasn't for the fanbase, we would only had just one Star Wars film, there would have been no Empire Strikes Back or Return Of The Jedi and no Star Wars franchise, George Lucas would have just been another struggling director in Hollywood. Lucas was the one who ruined it with the cgi Special Editions and the mediocre Prequels. Disney on the other hand, totally killed Star Wars and are just milking the corpse dry at this point.
@@sjdrifter72 Star Wars appeals to people’s inner child. That’s why some of the people who whine about it some of the biggest babies I have ever seen. I had a disagreement with one and he called in a bomb threat to the school I worked at, so don’t try and tell me the modern Star Wars fan base doesn’t have an attitude problem. At least Lucas or Disney never threatened to kill me.
What killed Star Wars? It wasn’t George Lucas. It wasn’t a prequel trilogy. It wasn’t Disney. It wasn’t Kaplan Kennedy no it was you the fandom itself
No it was Disney hiring Kathleen Kennedy, who started the Sequel Trilogy.
No, it's not possible! NOOOOOOOO!!!!
Lol
Disney ruined Star Wars.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan Rise of Skywalker wouldn't have been such a terrible movie if fans didn't went batshit insane on The Last Jedi. That movie spend most of it's time redoing EP 8.
George Lucas probably wouldn't have sold and distance himself from SW if he didn't received unnecessary amount of hate from the fans.
Who thinks that George Lucas wouldn't have sold Star Wars if fans didn't hate the prequels as much as they did
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
“Cinematography is great, directing is great, writing is good but it’s just a forgettable show cause there’s screws in the wall” kind of sums up the majority of Disney Star Wars hate imo
Star Wars will always be a story about Luke forgiving his dead beat dad and using love to defeat hate, for me. Thats always what made it so special to me.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
Remember when they said Star Wars was ruined because it turned out they were all related, than they introduced the Ewoks, than came the special editions, than the prequals. There has been tons of hate long before Disney
I remember when it was ruined after "Star Wars 2."
@@Tamlinearthly
As a kid, the only part of The Empire Strikes Back I disliked was Lando betraying Han Solo. However, by the time Return of the Jedi, I was older and better appreciated Lando's moral dilemma.
So, it is possible to change your opinion on a Star Wars story.
difference is the sequels are hated on another level and it makes sense really.
@@Jdudec367 In twenty years someone is going to say the same thing about the next film installments
@@TupocalypseShakur I doubt it lmao.
Once again, Emplemon had the last laugh. Abandoned Star Wars when things got bad but in retrospect, he was one of the first youtube video essay people to get the memo. "Watch something else". That was the whole point of his Matrix: De-Booted video. He did the unthinkable. Instead of hate watching, he up and watched something else. If the media stinks, just opt out. And if you were a creator who can't opt out, wreck it and make the worst version of itself in hopes that outrage culture doesn't become a norm.
I agree. I can't describe how annoyed I get whenever I check out Star Wars content on TH-cam, look at the comment section, and inevitably find some sequel-hater bringing up...THE SEQUEL FILMS. Honestly, if you hate them so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them? Especially when it's content that has nothing to do with the sequel trilogy...
"Somehow, they ruined it forever...again."
Star wars has been "ruined" so many times I lost count.
Starwars died in 1574.
They the same about cinema, it was ruined with sound, with color, wide screens, tv, home media, streaming and so on.
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True.
Whiny fanboys have overused "ruined" so much that it lost all meaning to me.
Someone send this video to SWT to show him how to talk about a fandom intelligently.
I don’t think he is even smart enough to understand this video.
Who's that?
38k views while nerdrotic and CD had millions?????
Like let's be real gay people don't like or support action flicks... I love Disney and I hate people trashing them because of the woke agenda but let's be honest it never works and never will be......just name one successful gay action film (none) only streaming might be if it can escape geeks and gamers eyes.
Hoo boy, that Star Wars ruined line has gone back as far as 1991 with the comic release of Dark Empire.
(Talking about the novel & comic EU).
Honestly… The Mandalorian is what ruined Star Wars for me. And I actually like the Mandalorian a lot. It’s just also proven to me that the Anti-fascist, anti-imperialist, and anti-war themes are for the most part set dressing.
If Star Wars was serious about anti-Fascism, anti-imperialism, and anti-war the show The Mandalorian would have taken the Mandalorians to task as a culture.
The Mandalorians are a warrior culture and the thing about warrior cultures is that unless you are a member of the Warrior Elite they fucking suck. They suck to live in and they suck to live around.
The Clone Wars understood this: Mandalore was a wasteland even before the Empire nuked it. The Mandalorians themselves destroyed the planet with constant warfare. Death Watch weren’t noble warriors they were imperialistic bullies who terrorized, enslaved, and murdered defenseless civilians. We saw Bo-Katan fucking massacre a defenseless village whose women they had enslaved to perform the labor they saw as beneath them as the Warrior Elite.
The Dominant political faction on Mandalor were the New Mandalorian who rejected the war mongering of their ancestors and embraced pacifism.
But The Mandalorian is utterly unwilling to engage in such iconoclastic critique of the Mandalorian War culture and so instead rehabilitates that culture and in doing so rehabilitates Death Watch and it’s former members.
This is so spot on...
If they do more projects like Andor, I'll still be watching.
That's the best attitude. Watch the shows or films that interest you, and ignore the rest.
Problem with that is a big chunk of SW fans STILL think Andor is bad & boring. Don't ask me how to convince these guys but basicially any part of SW with no Jedi/Sith tends to scare these folks
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Andor is a MAJOR shift from what you'd expect from Star Wars, which typically has Force users, lightsabers, fast paced action, humor, and memorable alien characters. So, I can understand where fans who think the show is "boring" or not "really Star Wars" are coming from.
You saw the same thing happen with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, which had a darker tone, more fallible Starfleet characters, and a space station setting. Naturally, the show was a hard sell to Trekkies who equate Star Trek to being about space exploration in a bright, utopian future.
Here is what I think. Star Wars was great because when it came out it was never done before. It was refreshing and new and for close to three decades it was copied by other properties in there own way. It’s because of this that it’s become so mythical in pop culture that it essentially blinded people in not realizing how actually basic it was when the prequels and the new trilogy came out.
It’s like dragon ball. Revolutionary for its time but has been done to death now
And like Dragon Ball, it has over time been deified to the point where every new entry will always fight a losing battle because what people want is basically to relive the memories of their childhood which by default a new entry can't really do. So really, either you're willing to go along with the ride and enjoy for what it is or you choose ultimately to just step off and seek other things.
Dragon Ball is a surprisingly apt comparison
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Then why did all the Star Wars fans say it was timeless? Guess they were just basic fools then.
Star Wars can easily be great again. The problem is that woke idiots at Lucasfilm hate what the fans love. We're not impossible to please. We like some things in the Disney era: Mando 1 and 2, Rogue One, Andor (to an extent), and even most of the cartoons. The problem is that those are exceptions, not the rule, and almost everything since 2020 has been garbage. Even The Mandalorian was ruined in season 3. At this point, there's enough material out there to analyze and tell why fans like some things and not others. Kennedy and her fellow termites have no excuse not to know by now.
@@werewolf_sifSure it'd been tried before, it was called "Flash Gordon."
Star Wars was never ruined for me when it came to the movies or shows or games. The only thing that got ruined for me is the idea of fandom and u can thank the godawful Star Wars fans for ruining that. Star Wars fans are truly the worst
Believe it or not there are fan bases even more divided and toxic. For instance, another favorite childhood series of mine, Dragon Ball. Literally anything that comes out is simultaneously the best and worst thing ever made.
I love star wars & hate the fans lol
The problem was gay people never showed up in theaters, women supported romance, men supported action flicks.
At this point just build your own world , since EVIL CANNOT CREATE, THEY ONLY DESTROY ~TOKLIEN
*May 3, 2024:* Anthony Gramuglia uploads a TH-cam video explaining how Star Wars will never be as good as you remember it. Star Wars is ruined forever.
The history of fan reactions to Star Wars media is a wonderful insight into the concept of Recency Bias.
Good point.
Nope, just gay people never shows up in theaters.
what's the point of catering empty audience?
Name me one gay action film that worked? Like just one.....
I love Star Wars, but I don't classify myself as a "Star Wars fan" because the fandom spaces are some of the most toxic places on the internet (which is *really* saying something). Star Wars is by nature pulpy, frivolous, childish, and ridiculous...which is not to say that quality doesn't matter or that it's impossible to tell emotionally deep stories. But it is to say that Star Wars was never meant to be meticulously studied as a single, consistent, perfectly aligned universe. It's just not built that way; it's a series of campy folk tales in space, and - when one relaxes and allows it to be that - there is so much to love in Star Wars.
When push comes to shove, no one thinks worse of Star Wars than the "all Star Wars is good Star Wars" crowd. Because it doesn't matter if the story is even internally inconsistence. It's just stupid space stuff.
And of course, fans od it are just the worst, while you're better than them...
@@MetalSandman999 I don't think I'm "better" than folks who joylessly catalog every detail of every piece of lore, compare them to one another, and use consistency as a yard-stick for quality. But I definitely like Star Wars more than they do. Because I genuinely enjoy myself when I watch Star Wars. And, no, not everything with a Star Wars label is great. But these are movies. They're not about real people in real places, there is no real history here. Good fiction is not about meticulous detail; it's about compelling character drama. If you're interested in meticulous detail, I suggest archaeology - a discipline which is about the cataloging of material culture in the pursuit of factual truth. As opposed to fiction which is about emotional truth.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 things like compelling character drama and emotional payoffs rely on the more wooden, technical aspects of storytelling. If lore established that things work a certain way, then for there to be stakes that cause the viewer to get emotionally invested, they need to be consistent with what was established. Stakes rely on cause and effect.
Imagine a gritty, realistic war movie where it is all about the protagonist trying to rescue his true love. And when he gets to her, a stray bullet hits her and he has to try to get her to the medics. That would be very dramatic.
But not if, in this gritty, realistic war film, he sets her down and pulls out a jar of magical healing potion and then she's fine.
Because we have established that this takes place in our universe, where magic healing potions aren't a thing. So to pull that out of nowhere deflates all the drama of the story. Now we have no reason to think if she or the protagonist ate in danger that they won't just pull out another potion or something.
A story can be fun and about fantasy and still be enjoyable when you think about the plot. You shouldn't have to turn your brain off. And it's not unreasonable to expect professional writers who get paid millions of dollars to be able to master things, like plot consistency, that a college senior finishing a minor in creative writing would be expected to do
@@MetalSandman999 Richard Walter - one of the most influential screenwriting academics in history - has a whole section of his screenwriting book dedicated to the idea that plot holes don't matter. Which is not to say that one should go out of their way to be inconsistent, but it is to say that the emotionality always comes first. The professional writers I've known value character arcs, story beats, plant and payoff, and other such common storycraft concepts. Worldbuilding is useful and good and fine....but worldbuilding is for almanacs. Film is for stories. And I guarantee you - as the daughter of a creative writing professor - that most creative writing professors are grading based on the strength of a story, the beauty of the prose, and the journey of the characters. Not the ability of the writer to be entirely internally consistent.
@@exquisitecorpse4917 the idea that plotholes don't matter is dumb on its face. Academics are not all created equal. Especially in something like the humanities, where there are not as hard and fast criteria as the natural sciences, you're gonna get influences from postmodernism, as well as just some people who give spicy, edgelord takes in an attempt to stay relevant.
Star Wars fandom 🤝 Doctor Who fandom
"Our decades-old sci-fi franchise that started as a kids' show is DEAD and RUINED FOREVER because of something we don't like!"
That's generally what ruins franchises. If they liked it, it wouldn't ruin the franchise. Instead of dismissing complaints, you should see WHY they don't like that content.
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Star Trek: The Next Generation wouldn't exist if its creators listened to fans who said "real Trek" must always star Captain Kirk and his crew.
Not every fan criticism is credible.
@@TheVeritas1 I agree that not every fan criticism works. However, you miss the greater point. The fans wanted to bring Star Trek back after it hadn't been on television for decades. They wanted a show which was true in spirit to the original, even without Kirk. And because they kept the flame going for so long, Star Trek first got its movies in the 80s, then a new TV show, and then several more shows in the 90s and beyond. If not for the fans keeping Roddenberry's vision going, it would have stayed dead.
@@TheVeritas1 Yeah....this youtuber is a very good example of that tbh.
@@Aristocles22
And some of those Trekkies were furious when they learned the new Trek show would not focus on Kirk and company.
So, they desired The New Generation to fail for not starring the "real Enterprise" crew. Never mind that the movies still featured the TOS crew they so loved.
Resistance to new story ideas isn't just a Star Wars fandom thing.
Star Wars fans now talk about George Lucas the same way Livia Soprano talked about her husband Johnny Boy only AFTER he died: "Oh, that man was a saint, he was a SAINT!"
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
I've never been afraid to say i love the Sequel Trilogy. In fact, The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie. The point you made about Luke losing control of his emotions in RotJ has been one of the things i always bring up when people say "the Luke who saved his dad wouldnt try to kill his nephew". Luke basically self trained after Yoda's death. No way the most emotional Skywalker taught himself not to let emotions get to him. He lost that hope, even if it was for a brief moment.
Great video
Yeah. I liked The Force Awakens when it came out but I LOVED The Last Jedi since the very first time I saw it. In fact TLJ ruined TFA for me. TLJ dared to be so interesting, and different and philosophical that TFA milk toast approach to Star Wars is now just so boring. I will never forget the hyperspeed ram scene in my theater. In that silent moment there was just a "woah" that instinctively came from someone's mouth. It was great. Not to mention that it has the best cinematography and acting in any Star Wars movie ever, specially Adam Driver, Mark Hamill and Daisy Ridley. Such a good movie. I think with time the people that hate this movie will shut up and discourse will recognise it as the undisputed best of this trilogy.
I don't like the sequel trilogy, but I did really like TLJ. I just feel like the trilogy as a whole is less than the sum of it's parts.
Sequel trilogy could've worked if they hadn't skipped it to Luke being too old.....why are studios too afraid of recasting young actors for the roles?
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten. Whatever.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan Episode 1 sucks, and episode 2 is also pretty bad.
Star Wars was first "ruined" when Episode 5 revealed that Obi-Wan was a liar. Yoda, too, was a liar...by omission. Luke's two mentors LIED to him. That's big.
I can see that SW for many toxic nostalgic fans, as their fanfic idea of what franchise should be. Based on their childhood memories or what time they joined the fandom.
It ain't just SW fans either. We have this same issue in Trek right now in part because Paramount flinched when _Picard_ season 1 was met with mixed reviews and decided half way through filming season 2 that they were gonna go all in for TNG nostalgia in season 3, which started filming the day after season 2 wrapped up. If Paramount had been responded to the admittedly disasterous season 2, I could've understood and maybe even supported that myself, but most of the S1 reviews boiled down to the show not having a narrow focus moreso than not being TNG season 8.
But then we got what we got in season 3, the fanboys hailed it the best season of Trek since DS9 (which they all probably hated on release 30 years ago because of the setting and/or its Black lead) and have spent the last year screaming about a "Legacy" memberberries series and blaming Paramount that Terry Matalas got picked up for a Marvel show (thank fuck, because I don't think he has an original idea in that brain of his for Trek)
That one truly stands out for me as a franchise I've been apart of over half my life and distinctly remember being an _Enterprise_ fan that fanboys accused of being an enabler for the studio to continue pandering to the lowest common denominator and fans very much wanting a new show that broke from virtually unchanged TNG formula. And then we got that in Discovery, which they hated the first two seasons of Picard which they hated for the entirely wrong reasons; Lower Decks, which somehow managed to break through despite its own Black lead with an authority issue and; Prodigy, which is geared at a 6 to 11 audience but seems to be the only show not interested in living in the past. The only one they do seem to tolerate is Strangers New Worlds and I'm sure the white male lead whose actor pissed off half the only fanbase with his goy-centric takes on Israel is just a coincidence, I'm sure. 🫠
This'll be a fun comments section. I've never read any of the books and I've never given a crap about them because of that. I've heard they're amazing, I've heard they're terrible. I shrugged and read The Lord of the Rings for the fiftieth time instead.
Some of the books are actually good. Kudos for reading Lord of the Rings multiple times.
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Yeah I never read them either, honestly I never read any cómic book in my life, which is why I have a hard time connecting to superheroe films, with some exceptions, Superman: The Movie, Tim Burton's Batman, Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman anr some of the initial films of the MCU.
Btw, I just have the whole LOTR trilogy on PDF and I just rewatched Fellowship of the Ring on it's extended edition.
I've read Lord of the Rings 15 times now and I'm in my mid 50s. Lucas is no Tolkien, but the original Star Wars is as fun an adventure romp as you're going to find in film. Unfortunately, it was a victim of its own success. Much like Lord of the Rings was an astoundingly successful sequel to The Hobbit, The Empire Strikes Back was an astoundingly successful sequel to Star Wars. That, however, led to unrealistic expectations from fans going forward.
While the next film, Return of the Jedi, was a good film, it wasn't an outstanding film like the first two, and thus the law of diminishing returns began. People's expectations about Star Wars have never been realistic. The first wasn't expected to be so good, the sequel wasn't expected to match the first, and the following films until the present have never matched up to those first two. Catching lightning in a bottle twice was already hitting the lottery as far as probability.
As for myself, I haven't become a fan who has wrapped his life around any story, franchise, or series. Star Wars was meant to be fun, but there are too many fans who make it a central part of their life. Perhaps they're missing something more substantial that it takes the place of. For me, even the worst Star Wars films have been entertaining, and that puts them above many films I've seen that have been absolutely horrendous to watch.
I think we, as Tolkien fans, were lucky that the Lord of the Ring films were made by someone who loved the book, too, much like the recent Dune films were made by someone who loves the Dune books. Star Wars, though, has been stretched out far longer than it was meant to be, primarily in the name of profit. Everything has to come to an end. In writing, a story isn't a story unless the problem in the plot is solved. This is much the reason why I stopped reading comic books when I was younger--they just go on and on, month after month, with no ending. I wanted a final resolution, but being vehicles to make money and not tell a satisfying story to it's conclusion, they're ultimately unsatisfying.
@@rikk319 Though the Hobbit movies were bad. I am a Tolkien fan myself, having read Lord of the Rings 7 times, same as Silmarillion, and I consider those tomes the best written literature in history. But I was bored, bored when watching Hobbit movies in cinema. Some scenes were literally pointless, like that dragon chase and statue of a dwarf made from liquid metal. They took a 200+ pages children's book and added things that killed the pacing of the story.
"This is much the reason why I stopped reading comic books when I was younger--they just go on and on, month after month, with no ending" very much so. Though, it is like with the Smurfs or other periodic seris - they never end as conflict resolution would change the setting.Though it got worse with the most horrible invention that is the Multiverse. Time travel could ruin stories, but Multiverse makes them completely irrelevant, as shown in Rick and Morty. Beloved character dies? Dire consequences? Just get a version from another parallel Earth and be done with it. Rick and Morty was fresh for one or two seasons but it got old fast. Even Mortal Kombat does Multiverse now, with disastrous consequences. Because with the Multiverse, there is no consequences. If everything exists at once, everything loses its meaning.
Let's see if the next Tolkien series will use Multiverse. That is the only way they could top the sheer badness of Rings of Power.
I grew up during the CGI Clone Wars series, so that period of Star Wars is the most nostalgic for me. The Last Jedi is the first movie where I felt that "I don't care about this anymore" emotion. I didn't hate the whole movie, but there were some particular fake out moments where it felt like the writers didn't commit to sacrifices that would have given meaning to the events on screen. But I came to a realization that the movies just aren't my thing, anymore. They belong to a different audience, now. The best thing for me to do now is sit my old-ass in the corner and let the kids have fun, lol.
Gave up with TROS, came back for Mando and Andor.
A lot of fans, or rather, a lot of people in general I don't think are even really capable of critical narrative analysis of media because they themselves are uncreative or lack imagination. What I mean by that is, they can only determine something's worth by these arbitrary objective standards. A compelling story with an interesting theme doesn't matter to them as much as what it does to the "lore." The media gets treated as if it were actual history, like trying to deal with objective truths and the arguments are not about quality but about if it should to should not happen.
This is hard for me to articulate, but it's the difference between intelligence and wisdom. These people are obsessed with the trivia of Star Wars but never the meaning behind it because they simply can't see beyond surface levels. Reading Wookiedia gives them all they think they want because they don't really care if the media itself is good or says anything. That's how you get so many fans who don't understand the Empire and the Sith are, you know BAD GUYS.
After finishing the video, I can say first hand, Jesus this is all very much on point. As someone who grew up loving the prequels, it was a huge culture shock for me to find out that these films were being hated by fans everywhere as I couldn’t understand why. Now seeing the revisionist history for these movies while people refuse to accept that Empire was never that well received in the first place until years later and failing to see the irony in how they’re reacting to the last Jedi by comparison, the only thing I hate about Star Wars, are the fans of Star Wars. The basement dwellers, the TH-camrs, the grifters, the man children who treat Star Wars like a parent coddling them from the problems of the world. These people are no better than Zack Snyder cultists and honestly idk which are worse
I get what you're saying but saying empire strikes back and the last jedi are comparable in quality is fucking insane
Reception may have been similar, though (which I think is what you're saying)
I like the prequels too, but did you/do you actually think that they are good movies? Because I think they're a hell of a good time for a nerd like me who knows quite a few things about the series but critically they aren't great
Maybe the same could some day be said about the sequels, if they could be padded up with lore linking the movies together better and fleshing out the characters, but currently they're just objectively bad movies that feel like they were made by Disney only to milk all the money out of their new acquisition.
@@tharetsku A movie cannot be objectively bad, plain and simple, it can't. The act of critique and review is opinion, what ultimately matters is whether or not you like or dislike something. Reviews from a critic can say a film is technically inept and point out what they consider asinine writing decisions... but then another critic can say that same is put together solidly and that the writing is actually pretty good and serves the story well. In other words, you can absolutely be of the opinion that ESB and TLJ are comparable in quality and you're not wrong for that thought or fucking insane. You have an opinion. The only time is objectively bad is if we're talking stuff that promotes outright bad ideals like say Birth of a Nation which is a technically impressive film... but it's also a racist propaganda piece for the KKK.
Same! The worst thing about Star Wars is the fandom. Which is sad because the best part of Star Wars can also be the fandom sometimes.
My biggest grief with the sequel trilogy is that Ep. IX felt like they tried to make a compromise with the big haters too much. They even retconned the "compressor" bit, because Stefan Molyneux used that originally to argue that Rey was a Mary Sue.
Lucasfilm and Disney really freaked out over Solo doing poorly at the box office and concluding that a boycott by the Big Haters (great term) was responsible. Hence, we got Episode IX.
The Last Jedi isn't among my favorite Star Wars films because of Canto Bight, which doesn't lead to significant character growth for Finn. Still, an imperfect swing for the fences is better than a film by committee like Episode IX.
Nothing will ever be as good as you remember it (realizing this is part of growing up)
Some things are though. Some things are even better you're an adult and you catch references and clever twists and allusions to things that you didn't catch as a kid. Not everything ages like milk.
@@MetalSandman999 I meant future products will never be as good as the stuff you first watched/grew up on (especially if you're a white heteronormative male)
@@truteal a lot of adults, even white heteronormative ones, still really enjoy a lot of content that came put after they were kids. Yes, there isn't often the magic that was there. But a lot of people still like and even love new things and can recognize that, even without the childhood magic, this or that book/movie/TV show is fantastic.
The Original Trilogy (and I mean the original theatrical cuts) will ALWAYS be as good as I remember them when I was a child growing up in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I despise what happened to the franchise after the Special Editions came out in 1997 and the terrible Prequels from 1999 to 2005. Don't get me started on the Disney garbage, because that is NOT Star Wars to me and will NEVER be!
@@sjdrifter72 I tend to agree in large part.
For me, Star Wars was never a major part of my childhood. I was aware of it. I saw some parodies of the OT in cartoons and stuff since Star Wars was ubiquotous, but I never saw the original, Empire, or Spisodes II-III until I was an adult. I saw return of the jedi and The Phantom Menace as a kid without context, and they were cool but not anything I even remembered.
But once I saw the Ot and prequels, I always knew the former was better. Much better. Because George Lucas's career basically Benjamin Buttoned. The OT and prequels had the same kinds of flaws and same kinds of great things, but the good things were more pronounded in the OT, and the bad things less so. If you didn''t knwo bettert, you'd think George Lucas wrote the prequels first and then the OT came later after he had refined his craft.
The sequels are just not good movies. While there has been some crying wolf abotu Star Wars being dead, the author of the video, like others with a similar optimistic outlook for the sequels, overlooks one thing: the OT is still the most popular by far. There are some voices who diminish the OT to make the sequels look better, but for the most part, people who like any Star Wars at all like the OT. There are many who only like the OT, but who likes the prequels but not the OT?
The OT is timeless. Or at least it is timeless compared to the others. That's why the prequels and sequels are full of memberberries. It was revolutionary for its time, but even those who were not born yet when it took the western film world by storm still watch it and love it because it's pretty great in its own right.
While the sequels *might* get an uptick in popularity when the kids of today get a bit older, how many people born after 2019 will watch the sequels when they get older and think they are great movies? My guess is, not nearly as many as there are young adults who love the OT now.
Intrinsically tying one's existential crisis to a science fiction franchise made for kids is a hell of a drug...
Bionicle had kind of a similar origine, a guy with a brain tumor is ask by Lego in financial difficulty to came with a concept. Warriors who needs to fight a being that want take over the giant organism they are all part of.
I avoided Star Wars like the plague for a few years because my only real exposure to it was fandom racism towards Finn and sexism towards Rey. It put me off, I didn’t want to be in the company of a bunch of bigoted man babies having a perpetual temper tantrum. Once the heat died down I eventually did watch the original trilogy and I had fun with them, I can understand why they’re so influential. But I was way too old to have my mind blown like people who watched it when they were kids, and to some extent I think you need to have nostalgia for the franchise in order to be a super fan. The loudest parts of the fandom keep demanding the same experience they had when they were 11, but they’re not 11 anymore and instead of appreciating new Star Wars media for what it is or god forbid find something new, they lash out and attack the actors who are just doing their job. While I can now separate the art from the fans, I’m still put off from engaging with the Star Wars fandom because most of them need to grow up but refuse to.
Bigoted man-babies is right. I was 8 when the first Star Wars came out and loved it. When Empire came out, I was starting puberty, and Luke's journey of discovery affected me deeply. But by the time Return of the Jedi came out, I was a teen, and Star Wars no longer had a deep hold on me. Since then, Star Wars has been entertainment, not the meaning of my life. For some of these fans, I feel they've never developed emotionally past the 3rd grade, and act like it when their personal relationship with Star Wars is nudged by someone else's take on the Star Wars universe.
I don't blame you. This fandom was a dumpster fire for decades now. Watch as much Star Wars as you want, but keep avoiding the fandom like the goddamn plague
Being a child growing up during the prequels, I learned all about the EU from wookiepedia. It gave me an almost “pseudo” lore of what came before the prequels which I was loving. I grew up in the drought of the early 2000’s desert of EU. My appreciation of star wars came from learning of Star Wars, from what fans put on wookepidea. I learned so much about the eu and OT from wookiepedia. Im now all about headcanons. I didn’t know the 80-90’s Star Wars lore, so I learned from the fandom, and I loved it. It sucked how much the prequels got shit on during that time. I just love star wars
Star Wars fans should become more like comic fans. Usually, comic fans will say “wow I hated this run” but not “comics are irredeemably ruined forever.”
He, see Marvel right now.
Man, Star Wars Episode 12: The Empire's Revengence was fucking shit. Star Wars is ruined forever now. Remember Rise of Skywalker? Now THAT was peak Star Wars. They're completely ruining Kathleen Kennedy's original vision now.
Just wait five years. This comment will age like wine.
Hbomberguy said it best when he simply referred to Star Wars as an "above-average fantasy series"
I’m personally fond of Gus Zagarella (We Are Not Alive)’s take in his video on live action Avatar series: “When you take one of the greatest shows ever made and you make a noticeably less good version, what you end up with isn’t one of the worst things ever. You get something slightly better than any Star Wars piece of media that’s ever been made.”
Rather flippant, but it gave me a chuckle.
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Funny because Palpatine is a far, far, far better villain than Ozai ever dreamed of being. If you remove Iroh, Zuko, the fights, the world building, it's no more average than Star Wars is.
Funny, because the fantasy aspect of Star Wars is rather subdued compared to other sci-fi stories. If Star Wars cannot be science fiction, neither can Star Trek.
A common man with some luck, homework, and prep time can kill every Force-user from chump Padawans to Palpatine himself; you cannot say the same thing about the Q.
@@HolyknightVader999 Star Wars is actually harder SF than Star Trek, because Trek has every fantasy element that Wars has, plus teleportation. Which is a good example of why trying to pigeonhole things into classifications is stupid.
@HolyknightVader999 how can he kill them, genuinely asking
That first section is literally just “no one hates StarWars like StarWars fans”
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. Nostalgia makes the prequels enjoyable now and will make the sequels enjoyable in 10 years.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga.
The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama.
The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga.
The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker.
The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more.
The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable.
These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson.
Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy.
Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery.
The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it.
These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds.
This trilogy is the greatest, more far-reaching, more fantastc, in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements.
Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative.
Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
There's no nostalgia.
The prequels are amazing, so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies revolution, the exploration of new peoples, new planets, new environments, lore, mythology, the Skywalker story, the building of the open world of the Star Wars galaxy, and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan I could write that much about the sequels but I'm going to enjoy my life 👍
@@Astromancerguy
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true wonderful cult classics masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story, digital technologies revolution, the expansion of the lore, the mythology, the great exploration of peoples, environments, creatures, and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, the fabulous vision of George Lucas' imagination, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
There are no "sequels", just a lazy remake trilogy but that's not part of the Star Wars world.
I’ve very fond memories of watching the original trilogy in cinemas with my dad. Some of the sequels have been good, some not so much, but as I’m now looking after my dad who has Parkinson’s, they’re some of the memories he still has, for the time being anyway and so are precious to me.
Such things shape your ideas of what’s important and while I might be disappointed or hear outrage about the latest instalment, it’s always transitory to me, some things just remain.
Ive thought about this for a while.
And its because Star Wars is a religion.
(Stay with me here)
You have the "sacred texts" the "prophesy" and "destiny".
Stand ins for cannon, nostalgia and emotion.
Both the beauty and curse of Star Wars is its maliability. It can mean anything. A western? A romance? A war drama? A pulp fiction?
Add that with the fact alot of people likely watch this when their young and forming their identity. So what their defending is there version of Star Wars.
I think...all the ugliness stems from love. You cannot hate something you didnt love first.
To alot of fans Star Wars represents a time in their lives. More so than the characters and story it represents their "good memories"
So when spmething new comes along...
Its like watching your childhood home be destroyed. You feel hurt...you might not even have liked that house...but now that its gone it hurts all the more...
I basicly think these fans refuse to move on because it means so much to them. But its inevitable that it must change. And so you rebel agaist the new...because it hurts to mich to move on.
The solution? Dont take it so seriously. Remember its just a story. It doesnt hold any intrinsic meaning so it can mean anything. Let it go and you will be free and see new oportunities.
Holding on to the past will lead to fear, then hate...than suffering.
Letting go of control is the answer. Leting things run their course and helping where you can is the answer.
Bro, your last lesson is what Yoda taught to Anakin in Episode 3, "train yourself to let go, of everything you fear to lose", that's George Lucas lesson, attachment can be dangerous.
Also Inception.
Also, my Great Aunt's house was sold to another people cause she died, so I totally get what you're saying, childhood memories.
@jesustovar2549 yea I was being a bit meta and cheeky.
Its a shame that fans don't reflect a bit more on the message of these movies rather than the lazerswords
Not a Star Wars fan, but with the recent trajectory of 40K I've been pondering the progression of fictional worlds.
Like Star Wars, 40K's creators have retired and passed their IP to money men which, combined with the sodding fans, may put a definite life limit on the settings.
Hopefully Henry Cavill can breathe some life into 40k with the amazon series
Much like Judge Dredd, the "ridiculing fascism through a fictional world" of W40K only works with people self-aware enough to know that fascism is bad. For a lot of fans of both works, fascism is the whole point of their fandom.
Seeing how everyone is seething and fighting each other over the possibility of Female Astartes being a thing, i have the feeling 40k is heading towards some "dark ages" like how it was for Star Wars when The Last Jedi released, where it completely divided the already divided fanbase and turned everyone against said media they used to love so much, it's just a matter of time.
This is the most balanced take I've ever seen. You don't seem to hate any part of the fandom, and even admit to a level of hatred of part of Star Wars yourself.
"Star wars is ruined"
Said literally everyone everytime there's a new star wars thing
Di$ney ruined Star Wars.
I was homeless when I was 17; I fell asleep in the theater after using movie money to watch the Star Wars "special edition".
I had a nice nap.
27:54 Why is Dune Oscar Isaac on that Thrawn Trilogy cover?
Good question
Honestly as someone who lived during the prequel bashing era, and still says revenge of the Sith is the second best movie of the original 3 I still love Star Wars, and as long as I get content like The Last Jedi, Ashoka, Star Wars Visions and the Book of Boba Fett I'm happy.
All "controversial" pieces of the Star Wars mythos and I agree build your own "cannon". Star Wars is different to everyone and I have nothing against people that like parts that I don't. Let it be for them and let what I like be for me. It doesn't have to be an all or not sum game.
@@ReelPodcasts True enough...but it's the people who lash out at what they don't like, make personal attacks, that are the toxic fanbase, or even toxic content creators on TH-cam. They wear their issues on their sleeves for anyone to notice--the ones who are perpetually stuck in that era when Star Wars was magical to THEM, and screw everyone else's opinion.
@@rikk319those are the fans I can’t stand
Happy with The last jedi and The book of Boba Fett 🥴
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan "True Star Wars fan", in the Overlords name that's cringe.
I like stuff centered around the rebellion more than stuff centered around the Jedi. The Jedi where at their best when they remained mysterious. To me, the rebellion has only gotten more interesting with more information.
What a way to say you prefer the original trilogy over the prequels.
@@jesustovar2549 My favorite Star Wars movie is actually Rogue One.
@@TheSmileMile You must like Andor as well, then.
@@jesustovar2549cause the prequels are awful
Star Wars ruined Star Wars when they did a war in the stars
Guess it was a short jump from "Reaction Content" to "Reactionary Content" for Ol' Magnus there.
That first 6 1/2 minutes was so on point I haven’t got the words. One of those things I’ve always known, heard said, even lived through, but wow. Really drove it home. Well played, sir.
No one hates Star Wars more than a fan of Star Wars.
I've always loved Star Wars even if its always been inconsistent. Andor is especially great and the "bricks and screws" comment is some of the worst reaches I've ever seen holy shit.
This is probably the most honest Star Wars video on this site, well done.
There's better takes on Star Wars than this this person comes off as extremely ignorant when it comes to talking about Star Wars his other videos are good but this one ain't it. There are legitimate criticism here but most of it just comes off as a place of ignorance.
Every time i talk to my niece or little cousins, i am humbled. Kids will love what they love, and its not fair for adults to try to ruin that. The new shera or powerpuff or proud family or mlp wasn't made for 30 year olds, it was made for little girls, and they loved it.
I am not saying we shouldn't be allowed to enjoy media, but it feels like every day, you have to remind adults that they aren't the main characters anymore.
For me, a combination of watching Episode 9 and Mobile Suit Gundam ruined Star Wars for me. It turns out I like Newtypes more than Jedi, and I found Gundam's portrayal of a fascist space empire in the form of Zeon far more compelling than Star Wars's Galactic Empire. I like that Zeon soldiers are not faceless, and that the Zeon leaders are in constant conflict with each other.
Great video as a Star Wars fan, but one point, Star Wars: Death Trooper and its sequel novel were the only two Star Wars Horror novels that featured Zombies when they were published.
That is true....but there were some comics that featured zombie Gungans as well.
I can’t find the specific time stamp for it but the clip of that one guy talking about Andor kinda hits the nail on the head for what I think is up with modern Star Wars. The large scale conversation is dominated by people who don’t really give a shit about artistic quality. They just want the aesthetic of Star Wars. Because how else do you describe someone confidently saying “yeah the cinematography and acting and writing were all great. But I can see the screws holding the set together so it’s a disappointment.” That’s someone who doesn’t value the story the show’s trying to tell, they value the idea of a made up place in a story they watched as a kid and never thought critically of since.
I also think that a lot of TH-camrs who focus on specific content (like Star Wars) eventually have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for ideas, because basing a career on discussing one fandom is going to eventually run out of reasonable stuff to talk about. Not to mention that it smacks of obsession.
The people who just want the aeshtetic of Star Wars are the ones keeping rhe franchise going.
Those who make specific criticism about artistic quality are usually the ones written off as toxic manbabies. After all, "all Star Wars is good Star Wars" (which really means it is all kinda dumb and just about lasers going pew pew).
Shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi were big hits because it had laser swords and nostalgia, not because it was a great story choice in the context of the greater canon. Not because its own story was very good. Not because of the charactwrs either. But because it was so cool to see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Vader have the rematch of the century (even though, storywise, they havmd that in A New Hope).
You went off! This is honestly the thinking the average person has about the franchise. Once you get to the people that would attack a creator online, you get into a whole other level of fan. It’s a cycle, and people refuse to accept that history just keeps repeating itself with this franchise.
It's incredible how Star Wars has aliens, spaceships and laser swords, but an asian or black person being the main character is "unrealistic"
Well done! Glad more and more people seem to be finally realizing the cyclical nature of the fandom.
I have resigned that no one will really love Star Wars in the same way I do. Anyone who is willing to listen to me will hear hours of my intricate love for the franchise but I'm tired of quantifying what I do and don't love. I'm tired of hating. I'll love what I love and I'll share it with who will be receptive to nuaced discussion.
Don't you diss the Star Wars holiday special every time I see Mark Hamill's makeup infused smile it makes me happy and Carrie Fisher singing brings me to tears
Hell are you even like the grandpa who's on vrchat looking at p***
"No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans" And no one makes me hate Star Wars more than Star Wars fans😆
Like, "Oh look! Jedi Survivor just came out and I'm having a blast-" "NO YOU FUCKING AREN'T BECAUSE THE OPTIMIZATION IS ABYSMALL!" Ok, guess Respawn's trilogy might be dead (I hope not lol).
"Oh look! A new game called Jedi Fallen Order is coming out! It'll be so refreshing seeing a single player Star Wars game that is hopefully high quality-" "NO IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD BECAUSE EA!"
"Oh crap, that Obi-Wan Kenobi series is actually real! I can't wait to sit down with my dad and enjoy Ewan McGregor's reprisal as Obi-Wan-" "NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WATCH IT BECAUSE BLACK WOMAN IS BADLY WRITTEN!" (I mean, yeah, but I don't care that much. The show still has its highlights.)
Like, Jesus Christ, sorry for liking something you couldn't, fuck.
Okay the EA one is fair game because of EA’s History regarding any studio in its grips.
@@shadowsonicsilver6 I mean, the concern's fair but considering what the comment's talking about? Honestly who likes the guy that screams in your face that it won't be good and tries to basically force you into their line of thinking?
"I can't wait to see with my Dad and see Ewan McGregor's reprisal as Obi-Wan" I had high expectations for the series, especially when they announced it as a movie, I'm glad if you enjoyed it, I love the prequels.
Btw, those Jedi games by EA are the best thing of Star Wars in a long time, at least the games aren't ruined.
Some people aren't happy unless everyone thinks just like them. I think, in a lot of ways, those are the "fans" who identify heavily with Vader, and spout off ridiculous shit like "The Empire wasn't wrong." Fascists and authoritarians aren't just people from the 30s and 40s.
@@shadowsonicsilver6 Not really. Developers make this kind of mistakes too.
Speaking as someone who loves most of what the Disney era of Star Wars has given us (even Rise of Skywalker), I don't have the energy to confront Star Wars fans. I was a Prequel era kid, who grew up on the LEGO games, who went through his own "Prequels bad" era that *everyone* was going through at one point in time. I just want to be able to explain why I love the things I do without being hounded by fans. Rey Skywalker is my favorite Star Wars character, so whenever people compare her to Asohka to bring Rey down (before the Asohka show would make these numbnuts turn on her), it turned me away from talking with other fans and turned me away from looking further into the Clone Wars TV series. Meanwhile characters like Starkiller (an extremely boring protagonist who indirectly ends up being the inspiration for the Rebellion, which I hate on a conceptual level) get a pass. Not everyone will agree with my opinion on Starkiller, but I hate how I will potentially get more harassment for liking Rey and disliking Starkiller than the other way around. It's frustrating.
I just want to be able to give my perspective on Star Wars without feeling like I have to paint a target behind my back, all because I think the new movies are respectful to the previous movies.
If you don't mind me jumping in with some of my own thoughts, I think one of the reasons why Starkiller gets a pass is the same reason a ton of the video game protags of Star Wars got a pass. Nostalgia and people being able to control them. I guarantee you if Starkiller was introduced in a movie or a TV show first? People would HATE him. Hell, I remember people didn't really care for him back in 2008. Same with Ahsoka, there are several comments from people back when the old TCW movie came out where these same fans shat all over her and the series that followed. Hell, I remember when season 5 was announced to be where the series ended and after the response to that where people started petitions and more? They announced the then Netflix-exclusive season and showed a clip as a preview... and that clip pissed these same people off because they thought it was retconning and ruining Episode III because these fans to be blunt are not fans of Star Wars, they are SLAVES to its lore. They are fans of the Star Wars they grew up with and would rather that be constantly preserved in amber and whenever ANYTHING threatens that they complain and cry and claim it's ruined.
It happens with Marvel, it happens with Star Wars, anime, video games and more. Really it's people refusing their childhood isn't ruined but rather they're grown up and are finding that certain things aren't vibing like they used to and instead of doing the thing people really should do when that happens which is accept that a series is not for them and then move on? They're too prideful and ignorant to consider that. To paraphrase the Simpsons meme with Principal Skinner almost verbatim. They don't want to admit they're out-of-touch, it's the children who are wrong to them.
First off, I may come across a bit heated here, but I seriously do want ok have this discussion, so bear with me.
Why do you think the new movies are respectful to the originals? The reason they exist is for teen to make profit for Disney. They aren't made by one crazy guy who had a vision about a galaxy far far away. They're made by loads of people, who all have different views of what star wars is and should be, making the trilogy an absolute mess. I think that Abrams could've made an interesting trilogy, and I think the same of Johnson. But together, with conflicting views on the characters, settings, themes, rules, *everything*, the trilogy comes out a mess.
I am very curious as to why Rey is your favourite character also. I know favourite≠best, but I know that it's possible you think she's both.
I think that it's definitely OK to like her, of course, as it is to like jar jar binks, but I think saying that they are better, or even good for that matter in terms of character writing is about equally ludicrous to me.
I have so many thoughts about this series, and presumably so do you, and I'd be happy to discuss them with you as it seems mine seem to be quite different from yours.
@@tharetsku If you are asking the questions like this? I'm just gonna be blunt here, I believe you when you say you want to have a discussion, I just don't think you're as open-minded as you think to accept that. The thing is, you have these opinions of the sequels, another doesn't and it's simple as that. Two people can come into one piece of media and come out with very differing opinions. Since I saw one of your comments mentioning this, I'd ask why you'd ask this when you liked the Bay-led Transformers films.
I'd say that because critically? They are very much not considered good movies with quite a few fans even hating them. However there are people who have come out of those movies liking them just fine and really it comes down to different tastes. Them reviewing badly doesn't mean they're "objectively" bad. What it means is that the general consensus among critics are that they're bad but otherwise people are still free to have their own opinions. The only time you can bring objectivity into the argument is if you are stating the facts in like an article so if you are writing an article about the Bayverse films and their reception? You have to acknowledge they are generally not well-liked. But if you enjoy them? You're free to enjoy them and you can have your own rationalizations for why scenes work for you and so on.
It is not a fact the sequels are disrespectful to the original films, it is an opinion and really it's not even that, it's disrespectful to how you view the old films which is likely because unlike the old films? The sequels are not your childhood. You didn't grow up with TFA, TLJ and TROS, you likely grew up with there being one Star Wars trilogy and thus your views of those movies will always have that advantage of being the thing that got you into it and sparked your imagination. To use Transformers as an example, I grew up with the Unicron Trilogy which were three localized anime series and the movies. It took me years before I went back and watched G1 and I found from watching it that I didn't like it, finding that while it was fun? It was little more than a cheesy glorified toy commercial with the standard production values one would expect from a cartoon of its day. Of course that's not to take away from the experiences of those who grew up with it and thus recognize it as their Transformers and how they love it but that's my reality. Hell going back to those old shows and movies I used to like? I found I didn't care for the Bayverse films upon rewatching with fresh eyes free of nostalgia and really that's the thing about long-running franchises.
Star Wars is as perfect as any other series in that it's not. It's just that depending on the person getting into it, what age you're getting into it at, what's available and what notions you have going into it? Each person is gonna come out with differing takes. There's no such thing as objectivity with this series because your reaction is based entirely on your personal feelings. Case in point, if you don't like the ST or the PT? It's not that the other person's wrong, it's that you just don't like them, they just didn't click with you like they did with others and for a great deal of movies, there are always things to find that people will like. CinemaWins in particular is a great TH-cam channel for pointing this out because it even covers films that the person running it may not even like and they will be honest about it but they'll still cover a movie fairly in terms of counting off the wins and one might find through the experience there's things they didn't consider. Perhaps they don't walk out with the opinion changed but that's not the purpose. In particular one thing I'm drawn to is how there's a point during specifically his video on Joker where he explains how if you pick apart any movie, you will always find problems, flawless movies don't exist and how problems bother us depend on how we feel about the movie and it affects everybody. Critics for example will often be harsher towards movies because due to the nature of their job they have to watch several movies, even those of genres they may not like and sometimes multiple films in a row. They love the art of film but they also have spent so much time dissecting it as a job that it's hard to sometimes watch a film to enjoy it or even get with a movie's vibe right away depending on when they got to it. It also could've been watched on the day of a tragedy which means they end up associating unconsciously that film with the tragic event. Also every movie falls to pieces when you pick it apart. When you stop watching it as a form of entertainment and are looking for the seams and imperfections, you'll see the cracks.
You're a good man,you should not be shamed for liking a character
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I was 9 years old when the force awakens came out, and I liked it more than episodes I and II. I had shirts, posters and a pencil case with Kylo Ren because I thought he was very cool. I've always been kind of a negative person, but fiction has always been my escape. Things like transformers, star wars, the lord of the rings, and the hobbit make up over half of my fondest memories with my family and friends. I don't know what you consider "growing up" but I don't think being 17 currently that I'm even close to being done. So I'd argue that I grew up with the ST.
And I can't remember what I exactly said about the bayverse, but what I think about those movies is that they're very dumb and very over the top, but to me they're a pretty good time. But in those films I think the character of optimus prime is brutally butchered, much like I think the ST did to Luke. In the bayverse optimus is a somewhat edgy killing machine, not the compassionate loving giant capable of great things he is in for example in transformers prime (the show I grew up on). Luke in the sequel trilogy has his moments obviously, but I still think that him almost killing *the son of his (best?) friend* is not in his character in the slightest. That's why after the last jedi I started viewing the ST as its own thing, separate from the complete story of Anakin Skywalker that is episodes I through VI.
I'm pretty much rambling now and I can't really see what I'm exactly trying to say or the point I'm trying to make, but I still think that the main thing the ST is, is a whole lot of wasted potential.
Also sorry if there are typos, English isn't my firtt language and my autocorrect is absolutely feral. And thank you very much for your well thought out and well worded reply.
Star Wars is itself a reconstruction of old adventure and space opera scifi. It was "obsolete" in 1977. People looked at George like he was crazy to want to make something "like Flash Gordon." Yet he was right. There's no point in deconstructing it; space opera had already been taken apart long before Star Wars and George put it back together. A deconstruction was seen as offensive and pointless. Case in point, the box office numbers plunged. It still made money, but that was only due to people still hoping that TLJ would make TFA make sense. It didn't.
For OG Star Wars fans who grew up with the hope filled Luke, the greatly progressed Han, the e "sister has it Leia", and the ladies man, pragmatic, saviour of the fleet Lando, later films ruined out Star Wars. The prequels lacked the emotional input... of Marcia Lucas, The force presented the clarity of light and dark.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies of all time-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga.
The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama.
The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga.
The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker.
The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more.
The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable.
These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson.
Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy.
Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery.
The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it.
These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds.
This trilogy is the greatest, most ambitious, and best-executed in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements.
Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative.
Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
The prequels are so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
@@QueenTheTrueStarWarsFan I'm not saying that the prequels weren't good. They have far exceeded much of Disney's distortions. As a relatively minor point, all I'm saying is that "The prequels lacked the emotional input... of Marcia Lucas," When I watched The Phantom Menace on it's opening day in Leicester Square, there was a far greater cheer at the opening credits with the Lcasfilm logo than the half hearted one at the end. But the prequels have strengths to the extent that especially people from that era may prefer them. My pinnacle was RtJ which is also a controversial take.
You need to stop being the most sensible critic on TH-cam.
As someone who read a lot of the old books… God were they bad. I loved them as a kid, but I basically only read the bad ones. I cringe thinking about stuff like the giant earthworm scene in Courtship of Princess Leia.
I've read a lot of books in different fandoms over the years. Going back to read stuff you loved as a kid is usually a recipe for disappointment and disaster. I did the same with The Hardy Boys series, a lot of Star Wars expanded universe, D&D novels...but I have to say, there were novels that stood out among the trash.
I remember people being upset that Rey was Palpatine's granddaughter and wondering why when he already has an grandson in the novels. I thought you guys liked the EU?
@@Veylon Triclops CLAIMED to be Palpatine s kiddo, several writers disaggred on if he was true son of Palpy or not and he is a silly cartoony idea that no one takes seriously from what ı know.From what ı remember he was a warden that tried to take over the empire with his Moff buddy (Who has lines like "I bid you all dark greetings!") . He ended up failing miserably. Not really defending it since ı havent even read those books but know about him from some memes. Just saying there is a gap between Palpatine s heroic daughter oc that saves the galaxy and obscure guy that may or may not be related to Palpatine that dies in a ditch before achieving anything.
@@Yusufqxq I was talking about Ken (the titular Jedi Prince), who IIRC, was the son of Triocules, Palpatine's real son. I did read the books and however bad and silly you think they were, they were definitely worse.
I like to bring these series up any time someone puts on their rose colored glasses about the EU and it's lore.
Courtship is...weird. I recently listened to the new audiobook, which was my first experience with the story so I don't have the nostalgia filter for it. It simultaneously has some of my favorite and stupidest moments in the EU. Luke's force healing scene? Fantastic, love it. Perfect explanation for how Force healing works and is consistent with how Qui-Gon couldn't be healed. But it's followed by Luke acting arrogant to the point of being out of character and doesn't gel at all with how he acts in the Thrawn trilogy which immediately follows it. The courtship between Han and Leia itself? Boring and at times outright cringeworthy (you know what I'm talking about). Isolder? Wonderful new character. I had more fun with him and Luke than I did with the two characters the book is supposed to be about.
Turns out the biggest Wars are in one Star, ours.
Because somehow we're even more petty that that galaxy.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
Right down to Sailor Moon being more rewatchable than Star Wars lol
It helps that Sailor Moon stories are fairly contained, no multiple different media muddying the main story of any given adaptation.
I remember back in the day people saying Star Wars was ruined when Return of the Jedi came out and there were Ewoks. I saw the original in it's first run and grew up when Star Wars got "Ruined" by the holiday special. We can all agree THAT was awful. The rest has been fine. I was always confused by all this bullshit thrown around at every release. I have said for years that nobody hates Star Wars as much as a Star Wars fan. I can't even with this kids screaming hate online over this shit. It's embarrassing.
It is 13,700,000,000 BCE. A singularity expands rapidly, time flows and events can begin. Now with time and matter, movies can eventually exist. And Star Wars is ruined forever
But in all seriousness though I'm so tired of the endless regurgitation of "mAh star wars is ruined forever 😩" especially in the so-called "Disney era" it is ridiculous non-troversy that has plagued this franchise for decades I personally blame Gen X and early millennials for this blind worship of star wars and letting their overhype and expectations get in the way but that is just me
As a man in his 50s and a student of history, I've found it ironic to blame an entire generation for the flaws of a segment of their population. Realistically, the blame lays on the prior generation for parenting the next into that kind of behavior.
Gen Z (whom is mostly loyal to the Prequels) are also huge haters of the Sequels. It's just bad.
Yes you could endlessly argue "oh but the old fans also said the same thing about the prequels that we say about the Disney era!", but it'd be wrong. The prequels, even at their worst (which, was most of its actual theatrical run. Nothing can salvage the first two movies) atleast advanced the worldbuilding in novel and frankly, smart ways. The basis for what was set up in those movies led to the Clone Wars show and the entirety of the Old Republic setting.
The Disney sequels feel dead. They didn't establish anything. It doomed Star Wars to eat it's own metaphorical tail by endlessly rehashing Prequel and OT content because of how terrible of a base the Sequels content are.
@@arthurg.calixto3338tons of children love the sequels. Those children will grow up to make TH-cam video about how they are underwater just like children that grew up with the prequels
@@damiantirado9616 Look at things from an objective standpoint. Count how many spinoffs were generated from the worldbuilding of the sequels vs the prequels, how many cool videogames draw from Prequel and Sequel material, how many books.
They're simply not the same
Even if these kids do end up wanting to defend the sequels they'll have little to defend it with.
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Oh yes the sequel fans are going to defend the sequels cause those movies stand on their own unlike the prequels who need a children’s tv show on Cartoon Network to be seen. The clone wars A children’s cartoon doesn’t make a movie good. The prequels are still bad. The sequels don’t need a children’s cartoon cause the people that love the prequels can actually defend the movies themselves cause they have better writing than the prequels.
The OG Harmy edits of the first Star Wars trilogy always feel good to me, and are always as good as I remember. Just like the original LOTR and many other classic films.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
Still can’t believe they never made a sequel to The Last Jedi
If they had and if it had been good, maybe Last Jedi would be more widely accepted today.
@@theazurefire91it’s lucasfilm fault for being afraid of the crazy fanboys
As someone who considers themselves a Star Wars fan, I agree with the majority of what you said
I also agree that way too many people push their opinions out there to feed things down to us (which made me one of them for a while)
Thank you so much for your time and thoughts on this topic. I will love what I love because of what I love, and let everyone else love what they love
I played and beat Knights of the Old Republic, and while I thought the story/characters were great, I'd still argue that game is not a masterpiece by any means from a gameplay standpoint (some tedious fights and frustrating puzzles like Manaan and Korriban) and there were a lot of weird gameplay contrivances, like the fact that there was no logical reason for why your companions were still incapacitated before going to fight the final boss. I mean, she incapacitates your companions because she went evil but then turns good and they're still incapacitated? Why? Also tbh the Malak fight is just badly designed, and the fact that one of the best ways to do it is to cheese it by running around shocking his bacta tanks and then freezing him in place while spamming projectiles is proof of that.
This is one of the best opinions on Star Wars I’ve ever seen! Well done!
This is not just a problem with Star Wars fandom but I am noticing this behaviour from other IPs like Transformers, Marvel Comics, DC comics etc. These people treat their favorite pop culture content as religion and anytime someone decides to make a new take on any of these properties, they are attacked and ridiculed as if they committed blasphemy.
8:12 "It feels half a time no one hates Star Wars more than the average Star Wars fan". As a Star Wars fan dillusioned not with the new media, but with the fandom, that's exactly right. The hate and vitriol is so dense that I grew tire with every new release not because of its quality, but out of worry about the most likely backlash it will face.
I grew up on the OTs and it still boggles my mind that there are gatekeepers “protecting” the Prequels. Discovering there’s a reactionary “old guard” younger than you really puts things into perspective.
I'm old enough to have seen Return of the Jedi in the theatre, but episodes 1-3 ruined Star Wars for me. I liked Rogue One, and that was the only of the "new" Star Wars re-boots I've seen until Force awakens. But even when I liked the new characters, the plot is exactly that of A New Hope, down to the destroying the massive weapon with one shot. I found it lazy. That's the problem, not the black storm trooper or Rey being too good at things. The lack of a cohesive universe in Star Wars shows. The first films were ok, because they did not dig deep, but episodes 1-3 tried to give a backstory that simply made no sense. All Jedis in a galaxy disappearing and being forgotten in one generation makes no sense. It's been 700 years since the Knits Templar were disbanded (the actual knights did not just vanish, some were killed, but not all) and people still make conspiracy theories about them. I think George Lucas wanted a story as a vehicle to do all the cool special effects he wanted, he was not trying to create a universe like the one of Tolkien or Ursula K LeGuin. People just insist in putting a lot of meaning into the story that just isn't there.
I swear,episode 7 should have been a Magic School story with Rey and Ben Solo being students under (Head) Master Skywalker.
George Lucas’s Star Wars prequels are a pure masterpiece, a magnificent, exciting, and incredibly rich work that has greatly contributed to the story, universe, characters, lore, and mythology of Star Wars. They are the greatest movies-a thrilling, cult classic trilogy from beginning to end. These are the Star Wars movies George Lucas always intended to make, and they are the best, most complete, and richest of all the Star Wars trilogies. Everything is superb: the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements is stunning and engaging. The detailed exploration of the Clone Wars, a pivotal moment in Star Wars history, is fascinating. The period of the Clone Wars is the best era in the Star Wars saga.
The gripping storyline develops throughout the films, with the rise of Palpatine (Darth Sidious) portrayed masterfully. His behind-the-scenes machinations to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously shown. His manipulation to create a massive clone army and wipe out the Jedi with Order 66 is central to the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire came to be after the fall of the Republic and how Anakin turned to the dark side, becoming Darth Vader. Anakin’s fall, driven by his desire to save those he loved, is tragic and profound. His transformation into Darth Vader is a breathtaking, iconic scene. The connection to the original trilogy is seamlessly handled. Anakin’s internal conflict-torn between his loyalty to the Jedi Order and his desire to protect those he loves-makes his story deep and tragic. Key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar heighten the drama.
The prequels also brought invaluable depth to the Star Wars universe, offering detailed insight into the Jedi Order, the training of Padawans, the Sith, and Jedi teachings. The focus on the Sith and their philosophy strengthened the dark side of the Force, adding layers of depth and complexity to the saga.
The political aspect of the prequel trilogy introduces a new dimension to Star Wars, with Palpatine’s machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the events of the Original Trilogy-the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi, and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker.
The expansion of the Star Wars universe is also amazing, with new planets, races, creatures, and cultures. The introduction of Dug, Gungans, Toydarians, Kaminoans, the underwater city, the Queen’s palace, the Galactic Senate, the cloning facility, and planets like Naboo and Coruscant-all of which are among the best-help create a larger, more diverse world. Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia, and Mustafar provide visually captivating settings for action scenes, plot development, and key moments in the story. The trilogy also gave us legendary characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, and more.
The action scenes and lightsaber battles are some of the most memorable in the saga. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the podrace on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo, and the Battle over Coruscant are iconic, visually stunning, and filled with emotional stakes, involving characters we’ve grown to love. Lightsaber duels between legendary figures like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul, and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding visceral energy to the story. The duel on Naboo, the clash with Count Dooku, Yoda’s fight with Darth Sidious in the Senate, Darth Maul’s encounter, and the tragic brotherly battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin are unforgettable.
These episodes also enriched Star Wars lore with charismatic new characters, unforgettable music like 'Duel of the Fates,' 'Across the Stars,' and 'Battle of the Heroes,' a fascinating and expansive mythology, and a cast of talented actors, including Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, and Liam Neeson.
Natalie Portman is stunning, graceful, and charismatic as Padmé Amidala, queen and senator of Naboo. She brings strength, determination, and courage to her role, evolving from a queen to a senator and eventually into a strong, elegant, and determined woman-a central feature of the trilogy.
Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson deliver a classy and memorable presence onscreen, and their dynamic as Jedi Masters is palpable, conveying wisdom and resolve that ground the story in Jedi heritage. Christopher Lee’s presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance, and charisma, enhanced by his Shakespearean delivery.
The Star Wars prequels were the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic weight, political context, meaningful stakes, new and iconic characters, and thrilling action scenes. They vastly expanded the Star Wars universe, making it more diverse and richly developed, with a lore that perfectly complements the Original Trilogy and is inseparable from it.
These Star Wars episodes are masterpieces that form an incredible whole, a single, exceptional galactic epic. It is the story of Anakin Skywalker-from his training as a Jedi to his fall to the dark side, and ultimately his redemption in saving his son, destroying the Sith, and bringing balance to the Force. It’s also the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and Palpatine’s rise from senator to emperor of the galaxy-his manipulation to secure his authority in the Senate, create his own Empire, destroy the Jedi Order, and keep Anakin as his apprentice. Furthermore, this trilogy marked a major advancement in digital filmmaking, modern technologies, editing, and special effects, allowing the creation of new worlds, incredible world-building, and the extraordinary narrative of the Star Wars prequels. Like Avatar, it is a vast, rich, and unlimited universe that explores new planets, civilizations, technologies, and worlds.
This trilogy is the greatest, most ambitious, and best-executed in Star Wars, as George Lucas was able to build his universe exactly as he envisioned it. Without the prequels, the Star Wars universe would not be as interesting, vast, developed, or as exciting and rich as it is today.
Star Wars Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are the greatest movies in the Star Wars universe. They are a legendary and essential work, pivotal in shaping the world of Star Wars, representing the best the franchise has to offer in every aspect. From Episodes I to VI, all the Star Wars movies are masterpieces-iconic, stunning, incredibly rich, exciting, and timeless. These movies remain unmatched, defining the pinnacle of science fiction with the best characters, actors, casting, scenes, universe, and storytelling. The depth, the expansion, and the sheer creativity of this universe are unparalleled, with its planets, environments, creatures, and civilizations revolutionizing cinema with groundbreaking technology, digital effects, and editing advancements.
Together, these two epic trilogies form a perfect, magical, and exceptional whole-an inseparable part of a grand, unified story: the tale of Anakin Skywalker, his journey from a Jedi to the dark side, and his ultimate redemption through self-sacrifice to save his son, destroy the Sith, and restore balance to the Force. It’s also the rise and fall of a dictatorship, showing the transformation of a democracy into tyranny, all set in a vast, sprawling universe that is breathtakingly rich and endlessly creative.
Star Wars Episodes I through VI tell the same story, set in the same universe-George Lucas’s singular vision of an extraordinary science fiction saga. Both trilogies are integral to the Star Wars world, two sides of the same galaxy. These two monumental trilogies are masterpieces that have greatly contributed to building the universe and lore of Star Wars as we know it today. They are legendary, exciting, and iconic works of science fiction, the crowning achievement of George Lucas. Six incredible movies that together form an inseparable whole.
The prequels are so wonderful and fantastic, having redefined world-building, storytelling, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, digital technologies and the opening of the expanded Star Wars universe.
George Lucas' six original Star Wars movies are the true masterpieces that built the legend of the Star Wars world, a magnificent, wonderful and timeless work, an indivisible whole in six wonderful parts that form the Skywalker saga, six amazing movies that shaped the lore, built the mythology, the iconic characters of the Star Wars galaxy, the Skywalker story and expanded the open world building and expanded universe of the Star Wars world, and Star Wars I-VI will never be beaten.
I think the biggest factor in the genuine disappointment of fans comes from the fact that when your a kid amazement of seeing something new & something that brings you joy is different than adult thinking. As kids we aren't as critical or concerned about believability. However when you are an adult it takes more than shiny objects to be satisfied.
Secondly one of the biggest factor in how people become addicts or why serial killers escalate is because they are chasing that first high. However no matter what they do or try you can never get that back. Also Star Wars was written for kids but selfish people can handle that reality so they hate that naive storytelling isn't adult oriented.
I really enjoyed the fact that someone finally had the guts to point out Star Wars has always be inconsistent it is why "From a Certain Point of View" storytelling exists.
What bothers me perhaps more than anything is the revisionist history. People love to conveniently ignore that George Lucas was shredded and criticized for everything post Empire. The Ewoks were the original trilogy's Jar Jar. People destroyed the creator of Star Wars for updating his own creation when he released the Special Edition. They accused him of ruining Star Wars.
The first 2 movies in the prequel trilogy were shredded by fans. Some demanded George Lucas let someone else take over the helm. Even to some extent people were overly critical of the Clone Wars series. They said it was to childish & they had Ahsoka for 2 seasons. So I find it hilarious that people people ignore of the first six movies half were hated/heavily criticized. Not to crap on George Lucas but when you really examine his 1977 & forward filmmaking most it is hit or miss with plenty of criticism leveled at.
Therefore when you really think about the reasons George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney you can't ignore that the Fandom made it easier for him to do it.
I think people are fools to act like the criticism & angry fanbase is exclusive to the Disney era. Now I will not blame anyone who is critical of the sequel trilogy because it is absolutely obvious there was no road map or agreed upon story beats or plan when they chose who would direct or what the story was about.
The worst part of Star Wars nowadays is the age of social media & TH-cam. Views, clicks & clout chasing not diversity has destroyed Star Wars. Click bait & hate are rewarded by the algorithm allowing negativity to be be monetize. Sadly in our world scandal, fear & hate gets more attention than genuine critical analysis, enjoyment & positivity. As a result of that creators who have no principled belief or sense shame will crap all over things sight unseen to attract controversy that can be monetized.
Take for example the Acolyte the showrunner made some comments that offended the sensibilities of racists, sexists, incels & revisionist historians so from that moment on shitting all over the show has been gold for those creators.
Negativity is rewarded because human nature seems to be drawn to controversy & conflict it is far sexier than contentment. Proof of this can easily be found by looking the reactions to the Acolyte trailer. All of the ones that crap all over it have far more views than anything that is neutral or positive. Yet when you watch the hate reactions there is nothing of substance. People who have no idea that words & concepts have defined meanings love to throw around "woke" yet have no fundamental understanding of what that even means. They just know it gets them views and makes them money.
I am completely open to things being criticized and people not liking something but the faux rage & anger is laughably ignorant & simply a performance.
I am also so FN tired of the morons & fools that declare they are done with Star Wars and not going to waste any more time on it yet put out a video every time something new is released. Additionally they always tend to be the first one to be commenting on whatever just came out. I dont know about anyone else when I lose interest in something I sure as hell am not racing to put out content. If you truly have quit something you walk away your not the first one talking about it.
There is no one who put out a hate video after the Acolyte trailer was released that judged it strictly on the content of what was released it was all culture war BS.