@@SimracingPopometer nah its just you chatted pure bull, i can put my house sim racing will be about in the next 5 years. but go ahead and get them clicks in bub.
ACC will last way longer than a lot of people would like to admit for the very same reason that a lot of people have avoided it for so long. Sure, it only does one thing, and sure, it's got plenty of its own issues with physics, VR performance, singleplayer experience, etc. but it is by far the most diverse and in-depth simulation of a specific type of car we have out there. I wish more sims took the approach ACC does, of being focused on giving you a specific experience in as high a fidelity as it can. No other sim does GT3s the justice that ACC does. ACC makes them all feel like unique cars with different characteristics, driving styles, methods to set up, etc., but sims like iRacing and AMS2 meld them all into a mush of "GT3-esque"-feeling material, where the cars all feel like slightly tweaked versions of the same physics model. Raceroom is the only sim aside from ACC that I've felt has the personality that ACC does, but not to the same extent, and it has too many other missing pieces to be a true replacement. ACC has huge grids, it has a multiplayer scene thanks to LFM, it has weather (however flawed its wet physics are), it has time of day, it has enjoyable but believable and hard to master driving, it has multiclass, it has car and setup diversity within the classes it has. It's going to be very hard for a sim which isn't as focused to have all those things in one package, even if other sims will do various bits and pieces better than ACC.
Big thing saying LMU is “gone”, and with someone with your weight and say in the sim racing community, could potentially damage it further. From what I can see, the GT3’s will be coming out at the very least. There are a lot of people out there who have already paid for it with the season pass too. For me, the worst case scenario is iRacing having a monopoly on all these licences. I like iRacing, but it’s dated engine and far from ideal physics, let alone the exorbitant price model for it, makes me worried for the future. I’m into racing. I’m not too worried about a “driving simulator”. Driving a VW Golf around the Nurburgring, or indeed the roads around the Nurburgring, doesn’t excite me too much. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very much looking forward to ACEVO, and have hopes that racing cars will have a much bigger presence than the trailers and info so far are letting on. But LMU is in prime position to take over the batton from ACC. Yes it’s worrying what we’ve seen come out recently about MSG, and we know their track record, but Studio 397 are clearly hugely talented sim racing developers and I think more support from yourself and other influencers on TH-cam could go a long way in helping matters. Saying LMU has “gone” a few days after hearing the recent news is rather hyperbolic and surely can only put more and more people off it, especially coming from a respected sim racer like yourself. If you’re so worried about the future of sim racing, come out with something a bit more positive, especially as we know so little about the scenario.
Agreed - condemning LMU to an early grave while its still being developed, albeit with a smaller team, does it no favours. Whilst we do not know what future it has, I and many others are still keen to see it succeed, and it has become the go-to sim for many of us. And we already know what the next 3-4 months are going to be like as content creators are already fawning all over ACE, and even from a simple no-content minute long promo video have created hours of meaningless fluff.
as I said in the video, there's no reason to assume a self fulfilling prophecy and i dont want to start one. the company has been troubled for a long time and putting it up for sale is not just another normal business move - they need money, and it isn't coming enough from sales apparently. so of course I won't tell people to go out there and buy the game just to support them, because it could mean their money goes to waste. they'll have to organize their own genuine support and convince people of the product. currently the market environment doesn't seem to faciliatet that. Maybe the GT3 Pack will come in time to give them another lifeline. but we gotta stay objective here: it needs a major turnaround, they aren't on the brink of breaking even. and this doesn't come out of nowhere and also not even if ALL my subscribers would buy it. That would give them a few days or weeks of operating costs and thats it. my impact (sadly, luckily?) isn't that big :)
@@SimracingPopometer of course, all very good points, but you guys do have a lot of sway, especially with quite a niche game like LMU. ACC has definitely been boosted by people like yourself and Jardier for example. LMU is in a better position this early on than ACC ever was. I suppose my main issue with your video is that you state LMU has “gone” very early on in the video and way before any of us are to truly know that. I don’t really understand the perspective of not recommending it. It’s not like it’s broken or an awful driving experience. It arguably has some of the most rewarding FFB/driving physics out there already and has huge potential with the ACO licence. Paying £30 now and getting a working game (yes there are bugs, but most are not experiencing game breaking bugs) with this level of driving/racing/online play is, for me, worth it and then some. £30 gets you two race tracks in iRacing… a sim that should be so so far ahead of its competitors with the money it’s raking in. All about perspective and of course personal preference. It helps that I have wanted an official WEC title for years so I may be a little biased, but I can see that a lot of sim racers are missing out on this title, even in its current EA state, due to “boo MSG” or “boo paid DLC for an EA game”. This is not encouraging news, we can’t get away from that, but it would so so disappointing if this falls through. If it does, I’ll just be thankful that it got to EA release and we have what we do.
I’m really heartbroken about the situation with LMU. I’m trying to stay positive and praying it is the next big thing. The game is absolutely brilliant!
Don't worry. Most of the stuff that Nils said in this video is sadly clikbaity bullocks. The company is looking for outside funding, because their financial situation is far from perfect, but they are far from bankruptcy either. Literally in the article CEO said that that reduction of employees is just a normal optimisation of resources. Hell he even said that they are looking for external funding to make a console version a thing and that they have plans for future titles. I'm not sure we can be sure of S397's future in 3-5 year span, but next 12 months are safe for sure.
@@ErwinLiszkowicz I'm rooting for MSG to get LMU finished and have it become a success, but the funding hurdle is a tough one. It seems all their future projects are contingent on outside funding via a sale or merger. I really like the game and want to play it more, but it needs work. I end up on ACC most of the time.
@@____________________ok lmao, firstly - they didn't lay off the programmers or anyone important. Secondly - rF2 isn't being developed so why the hell would you expect perfection from it? It's an abandoned game at this point. LMU is being developed steadily and it's getting significantly better with each update. So there's plenty of stuff that proves they are on the right track. But if you want to find reasons to hate them, go ahead. I don't really care. I'm having a tonne of fun driving on LMU since finally I have a properly simulated Hypercars instead of the bullcrap that belongs to an arcade game that iRacing created.
As an ACC league racer who has LMU and absolutely loves the feel and driving experience it offers. I so so hope lmu survives and pushes forward. The devs in the lmu discord are adament nothing has changed their end at this stage but we will see. lmu will fill that dying ACC world perfectly. Iracing is why to expensive for my tastes having to buy new tracks every week or car just to stay competitive in gt3 or imsa because of bop issues. Also i could never wrap my head around the tyres in iracing. for the good of simracing LMU has to survive and deliver the full GT3 package and expand into ELMS and ALMS which would produce an excellent track list.
Hey Nils, you are the Godfather of SimRacing, no doubt about it! You are way more mature than 95% of the simracing community and I really appreciate this. The German word is "unaufgeregt". Keep on doing the good stuff. P.S. Oh, almost forgot: don´t forget AUTOMOBILISTA2! 1.6 patch is coming!
I totally agree with this comment. Nils is probably the most genuine sim racer/content creator that's also likeable too. As well as having no gimmicks or trying to play a character in an attempt to increase viewership and subs etc. When nils speaks, I listen.
I'm on ACC and i'll be moving to EVO on day one. The main issue for competitive drivers on EVO might be the initial updates that will change your laptimes/setups/driving style. But if there is no GT3 to start with, there will always be some category where people tend to play more often, meaning more splits, which is where you find more door to door racing with people of same safety rating, these two are king for a good experience! Learning a new game/cars is always fun!
we get the Porsche cup and i will be very suprised if they dont port over most of ACCs content.. there was an interveiw where they stated they have a new omnline eco system where people can esily host competitive leagues and the likes so its clearly built to incorporated things like lfm.. as a relative noob who loves ACs physics and ffb but also loves online racing AC LFM has been enough for me for now but would lve a modern sim with the same kind of feeling
This is even more sad for console sim racers! ACC multiplayer on console though is picking up, those wanting a more serious sim racing experience from Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport have no real choice but ACC. Simgrid Seasons enabled multiplayer daily racing in ACC, made it more accessible.
I really feel like Sim Racing hasn't properly figured out how to keep players in the long term, and I mean intermediate level players. The people that are just messing around are always going to gravitate towards Gran Turismo, Forza Horizon, etc. The e-sports types like yourself are going to only care about top tier, online racing ultimately. There's a big gap between which is your competent intermediate sim racer, who is not an never will be an alien, who just wants to race surrounded by similarly paced talent and experience the thrill of close racing. Something needs to be built into multiplayer to keep these people coming back and keep the grids full of close competition. I feel like the newbs get intimidated and quit. The e-sports guys live in their own world, and the intermediates feel discouraged especially when they find themselves in a split with e-sports people because not enough people are in the lobby. I enjoyed working up through iRacing, but I feel like my interest in it has reached a plateau where I just don't want to keep spending on more tracks and cars especially as the purchases would put me in lobbies that aren't well populated. don't know what the answer is. For now, it's occassional online racing in RaceRoom, Co-Op offline in LMU, and running seasons against Adaptive AI in race room, as it gets me that close racing I like without the discouraging "oh look only 5 people in this race" I get all too often online.
I also have absolutely no idea, why no other sim than iRacing actually tries to make a good online racing ecosystem and matchmaking. I've been driving iRacing since 2009, and I just cant switch to any other sim because they dont have the multiplayer career aspect to them. No matter how great the graphics and physics, if its just random lobbies or third party organized leagues, I feel like I have zero incentive to race and the races mean nothing in the end. Imagine if someone created the most amazing online FPS / battle royale game that beat the competition in every way, but didnt include any matchmaking or organized multiplayer and left that for the community. Everyone would consider that as an incredibly stupid decision and massive amount of lost potential. And yet still, every sim racing title except iRacing does that mistake. Still in 2024.
100% this, I've been Simracing for 10 months almost exclusively on iRacing, and although of course it's more expensive, the ecosystem makes it totally compelling. I like the superior graphics etc in other games, but the physics and multiplayer features of iRacing make it unbeatable for me.
I think this video refers mostly to e-sport level simracers. The average simracer, like me, is seeing a very bright future for simracing. I can load up a session in every sim and have amazing racing. Online or offline. For e-sport level drivers, like you Nils, this is much harder to achieve. AI is too slow in every sim, you can do last to first challenges on highest AI level in every sim. So to find competition, you are very correct that the future is more uncertain. For the average simracer (about 96% AI on ACC without too much practice here) it's very much happy days.
I think this is a bit coloured by being a content creator. I can understand why ACC becoming 'static' is a problem for the content creator, there is 'nothing to talk about'. Personally I think your early comment about AC vs ACC and the competitive nature of the latter is key. For me, as long as LFM is fairly populated and there are people to race, I'm good with ACC. Competition is competition, it doesn't need a continuous stream of new content. I'm here for the racing/competitive nature (zero interest in GT3 per-se). I'm closer to pro times than I used to be, but I'm not at the top. Progression doesn't require more tracks, different cars, or fancier graphics. Hopefully there's enough folks of the same mindset to keep it viable, although I do appreciate that 'ooh shiny' is also present in the ACC population. I'm sure at some point, I'll change to whatever the next thing is, but I won't be an early adopter - competitive needs to be in place. Maybe it really is simulation: If I had the money to race real cars, I'm sure I'd be driving the same car on similar tracks multiple years! One thing's sure though, iRacing won't be my future. Good or bad, simply not willing to put that kind of money into pixelised race cars.
Indeed, it does come off as a very streamer centric problem. ACC is my go to and I don't see myself abandoning it either, at least until ACE is fully complete and we know where we stand with it.
@@rms_6401 yes for a few classes but for stuff like the gtps,it feels half assed (i.e. how the gtps shouldn’t have its current rendition of KERS ,which from what i heard came from the f1 car),i might be wrong here but the tyres also feel like they have infinite grip and the car just feels numb, so yeah thats also a pain point for me
I’m gonna keep driving and hosting MP races on AMS2. Leagues have been using it for years and it has been working well enough. Looking forward to the MP improvements and hopefully some bug fixes. If this update brings more people in and they stay, it’ll be great for MP overall. I just hope the studio is able to answer and provide some sort of a guide for quirks and features that new players are unaware of. That seems like a big roadblock for most and if you don’t have help within a league or forum it’s a bit of a lost cause.
I wanted to switch from ACC to LMU 3 month ago, because I love multiclass. But LFM introduced so many new special events recently that I am really happy with ACC right now.
I dont see acc being in real danger. Ofc many rather casual players will wonder off due to the supposed boredom of no new content. But the active player base has, as you mentioned, a very competetive mindset. For me the thrill of acc is the competetive gt3 endurance racing and acc does that like no other. So since theres no real alternative, ill happily stick with acc. Just because theres no further development on the game, doesnt suddenly make it a bad title to play. It just remains as good as it is. Acc shines in league racing and endurance events and as long as the community continues to host these, acc has a good future. In addition theres still daylies on lfm, so the more day to day racing is also covered. I for myself will definitely stick to acc
This. I dont really think ACE will have as much GT3s ACC has, plus I dont think Kunos wants ACE to be their main Esport game. As they said in a report, they will continue support it with the GTWC Esports events. At the end, it will really depends on what ACE is focused: Just driving? Driving plus racing?
As an ACC LFM player my priorities are competitive racing, and the intense immersive feel that ACC gives me. ACC is fairly polished at this point (I'm not so bothered about new cars/content although the new Aston would be nice) and LFM grids are stacked, so I'm happy to wait until this all shakes out and we see what choices remain.
The serious, competitive dedicated sim racer is a small minority in an ever expanding market. The huge success of original Assetto Corsa points to where the market is. So the development of "Driving Simulators" is where the development money is going and will continue to go. Improvements in computer and gaming machine hardware and AI guarantee that this will continue. There is absolutely no reason for developers to pour money into a small market. The name of the game is gaming, not highly competitive racing where fractions of a second matter. ACC and Le Mans Ultimate and IRacing don't appeal to gamers at all, neither do they appeal to people who want to drive cars for pleasure. They never will. Kunos is the only developer that has a chance of producing a sim that satisfies racers and drivers alike. We will have to wait until 2025 to find out whether they are even going to try.
Not a fan of gt3 in iRacing it’s just a dull joyless experience . I will focus on ams2 and hope LFM does a good job. The leagues in ams2 may also grow more too I hope .
I started with ACC around a year ago, but it became stale really quick. I don't want to drive GT3 all day, so I switched to iRacing. While not a fan of the subscription model I still like the variety it brings to the table and I dropped a couple of hundred euros into it lol. The communication with the customer in iRacing is leaps and bounds ahead of any other studio. Not to mention new content every 3 months. I am thrilled to see what they'll deliver next, means cars, tracks or tech and I am looking forward to the "new tyre model". Case in point: there is no perfect sim out there, all sims have good and bad stuff and one has to test and chose for themselves what is subjectively the most important thing and what is the least important one.
If it only it looked like a 2025 simulator, I would probably stay there. It also seems detached from people and focused more on a customer the company relationship mainly whereas AC is built with real people communities that share common love for driving
@@mike_33gt I thought the same prior the switch. But now I really have to say when racing I really don't notice it anymore. I am running reshade though. Without it I would probably agree
I really was not expecting to fall in love with LMU, being I refunded it at launch, and couldn't get past rF2's jank, but the driving, content, AI, physics, and most importantly racing, are all fantastic. Stephen Hood strikes me as somebody trying to do everything they can to save the company from Dimitri Kosko's waste, but being officially broke since 2022, let alone today, it may indeed be too late, and I can't blame players for being hesitant to enter it. However this transition period unfolds, I just hope we don't repeat the mistakes made of the last ten years. 16:24 - Thank god, it wasn't just me...
Between ACC and AC there is enough content to keep me happy. ACE will replace AC but ACC i believe still has its place and i just hope that kunos continue to give it some love once the big push for the early access release of ACE is done, as it still has loads of potential with a full Asia and US series to fulfill, as well as missing European circuits. I think ACE will be more single player / non competitive. Which is fine. But it's not like ACC.
i dont see why ACC wont be rolled in to AC.. they can port the cars tracks over for little work.. they have already stated they have a new online eco system that is designed to allow for completive leagues and events and the new engine will solve all the issues people have with ACC.. people are gonna want to race GT3s in ACE but we will also be able to get proper multi class racing as well
I guess I'll just chill on ACC till there is something better. If there is not, then I'll just drive ACC. Kinda sad to see LMU in the state they are but maybe they can pull thru Just a tad annoyed with Kunos doing quite little with ACC considering the potential there still.
I hope so too but I don't see that being worth while if ACE is on the same level physics-wise and has the same GT cars. Kunos have said Unreal Engine is tricky to work with, so they'll probably be happy to let ACC go and just focus on ACE.
I would say, you pretty much nailed it, Nils! 👍🏼 For me personally, I am a late adopter and (re-)started doing sim racing beginning of 2024. So, in my case I still learn and enjoy ACC a lot!! Therefore, I will most probably be able to bridge the gap until AC Evo takes over. The bigger question for me will be if there stay enough people with me so that the splits in LFM are still well filled. I really hope so!
I still hope LMU gets through this and becomes a staple in Sim Racing. On the other hand, LFM engaged in a cooperation with AMS2 and is developing support for AMS2 on their platform. That is something many players from ACC will have a very easy and almost seamless transition to another sim, whilst staying on the same platform. In the end I hope LMU will get supported by LFM the same in the future when it is ready for prime time. I can see some ACC streamers already trying out iracing but iracing is a very closed platform and does not do cooperations with e.g. SRO as LFM does. For a period of time I can see iracing being the bridge until LFM+AMS2 is ready.
I'm suck on what "sim" i want to be on. iRacing is where I want to be, I just can not get on with the physics. LMU is unfinished and like you said, may even dissapear. AC for me is where i go to mess about with odd combo's of cars and track. With a little bit of drifting. ACC is very stale and i get bored very easy. LFM help's but like you said, it's limited on how many combo's you can race. AMS2 just doesnt have the following for me. Like the game, just struggle to have fun. RF2 and Rennsport.... No thanks. I will be going to AC Evo on day one, I hope it's what we are all looking for.
@@JC21x This is exactly where I am. iRacing claimed in one of their update videos that they’re working to improve tire model and FFB, so I’m hoping that happens sooner than later. Until then, I hope AC Evo hits the spot.
I moved to iracing almost a year ago.. learning curve was large coming from acc... but i always try to remember that anything i tried compared to acc would be wierd because thats what i played for years.. thats not to say acc has everything right of course.. once u drive and understand what u need to do it just becomes the new norm. People put such emphasis on the differences between the two sims but ultimately u just relearn things and away you go... For me i hope evo doesnt focus too much on gt3 racing either because we have this class in every sim. I would prefer something fresh maybe with a sprinkling of gt cars... You say things are stagnant in acc and you want simething new but i bet it will still end up bei g gt3s at monza and red bull ring lol
people are really missing out on LMU, its the most fun and competitive sim out there, the physics are incredible and the way you can quickly join the race is very intuitive, if you can ignore the occasional crashes then you have something special.
Your entire video is based on an *assumption* that LMU won't make it, and if you ask me, you're leaning too much into sensational, clickbaity reports and crossing off LMU way too prematurely. In fact, you are contributing to its troubles by propagating the negative narrative around it, so maybe that's not too smart if you care about future of simracing. That said, the game is not only just too good at the moment to simply disappear, but it's also a joint venture between MSG and ACO, having direct support from the Club, which won't simply let it die. It may actually be the case that the company is considering selling out (because as of now it's only under consideration) because they finally have something of value to offer. Nobody would've wanted the broken mess that was released in February, but now? With some modest investment, given the company's condition, you can have a solid, working foundation for a game that will do exactly what you're wondering about - intercept the entire ACC playerbase.
Nils, you describe my situation and my thoughts exactly. I have tried almost every sim. As I prefer to drive and want to drive online, competitively, in leagues, Endus with driver swap, etc., I almost only drove ACC until the end. My great hope was LMU, as it is the best simulator in my eyes. But with the recent developments at 397 I am unsure about the further developments regarding multiplayer, driver swap, stability, content... It's a shame!!! And I am very sad about that. But as I want to continue driving online, competitively, in leagues, multiplayer, endus, etc., and in a sim that has a future and will be developed further (we can't really see that with ACC), I've also started with iRacing these days. Not all that glitters is gold here either. But it works, is stable and you can drive. These are important criteria for me as a family man and full-time worker who only has limited time for this hobby. But most of all, I'm just sad about LMU. On the other hand, these are also somehow great times for SimRacer, as a lot is happening... :-)
After the originally promising Project Cars series failed to deliver and ultimately died I returned to iRacing and I'm glad I did. No sim is perfect but I prefer the idea of sim racing being a service I can perpetually consume rather than a release title I need to jump onto and then off again 4 years later.
why you (and niels, it seems) need to drive only one sim? i dont get it. not enough storage space available? if most people just playing only one sim then lot of sims may die in the next years.
@Daz555Daz You are 100% correct. This is not more evident than streamers. A few of them jump on the flavour of the month (LMU, Rennsport etc) sing it's praises and then 1 month later, they're back on iRacing because of what it offers overall. You can't escape, what iRacing does well, what it offers, no other sim can compete with. The proof is in the pudding. Money talks, that's why iRacing survives despite players' apparent allegiances to other sims. Clearly, its business model and player base is supporting the thriving sim whilst others struggle despite apparent iRacing's "poor physics", "tyre models" etc. By the way...there is a racing community in iRacing that includes open wheelers, rally cross, Nascar, to mention a few. Not everyone is in it for GT3. Yes, a lot, but no, not everyone.
Agreed, Nils. My fear is that EVO will be trying to compete with the more casual Gran Turismo and still try to maintain the competitive ACC playerbase. Tricky, at best and disastrous at worst.
EVO is clearly aimed at the Gran Turismo crowd but I believe it can also juggle that with competitive ACC player base. All they need to do is copy the GT7 / LMU style online competitive scheme.
I find iracing GT3 is like wrestling a tiger, whereas in ACC GT3, you get to dance with the tiger. I hope there's still room for ACC to grow in some way. Racing street cars in EVO just doesn't cut it 😅
Finally an objective video about that topic. Got tired of videos like:"acc is boring and bad so i leave to iracing or any other sim". i see exactly the same challenge or question like you do: what is the alternative for acc or ac at the moment. As you already described, there are a few causes why acc is as popular as it is. For me driving in endu in sprint leagues in acc with a few races a year i am far away from beeing bored by the game. It is just perfect to know cars and tracks and to just do a few laps of practice before a race to be competitive enough to have fun. I am pretty sure acc will stay where it is for a few years. The few creators who just "left" to iracing recently will probably come back to acc once they got used to the driving and its own specific bugs and problems. They will experience that there is no big difference at all. So I dont see the problem in the sims itself but much more in the big amount of time many people especially creator/esport are spending with racing. No matter in which sim, even racing itself will get boring when you do it every day for many ours. So maybe the question will not even be which simulation will be the next but even if the bored people will even leave to other games. May be the only thing which keeps them racing is the pretty expencive equipment they have. Nevertheless my prediction is that acc will stay where it is and maybe kunos will even surprise us with another update in a few month. Bored people will maybe come back after a short pause.
I think its a bit premature to say LMU is gone. We dont know if some of the layoffs were related to administration or other game licenses/studios which were scrapped. It seems the core staff is still there and we saw the WIP GT3 cars in the summer already. Its not good news, but it may not be as bad as you picture it.
AC EVO is going to eventually be a good game, Kunos has the history to back up that assumption when referring to EVO. I feel there is a large sim racing audience that would like to see a truly well developed and balanced vintage racing scene for multiple classes of cars, not just modern GT offerings. Even something like touring car classes with the same amount realism that went into ACC's gt cars . Not all racers want to race something like GT3's, LMP's or F1 cars but would like to race more car club types of racers that resemble a reasonably modified racing version of the car sitting out in their driveway. One thing that Kunos will miss is having Aris doing his videos explaining to the average sim racer the mechanics and the set ups of the different cars and tire models. Aris did a lot for helping newer sim racers actually understand the workings of the game coming from a man that helped build the game and he explained things in a way non alien drivers could take the information and improve upon their abilities within the game. The more that the new player can learn how to make themselves better and understand how to properly set up their own cars and see the better lap times the more apt they are to stick around for a while. The average non pro sim racer playing in their spare time does not want a game that they feel to succeed they need to buy car set ups on line or pay a driving coach to get somewhat competitive with other drivers in roughly their same skill level. LFM is the best thing to happen for the non iRacing sim titles when it comes to online racing/ranking of the drivers.
u fast guys race intensly most days, others dont so acc is not losing appeal for everyone.. & im guessing some other streamers are just looking for income but i cant see a better on-track experience than acc right now. Each current game will probably have something we can enjoy but i cant see the point in investing time & money into ageing games when a couple of good ones might be released soon. I'll wait & see.
thank you, fantastic summary. I'm crying over the development of LMU as I run the rFactor 2 league. Unfortunately, I don't think it's time for a new super physically accurate simulator despite the top HW available today. Such things were created 20 years ago at ISI as a hobby in the production of professional SW. Today, a few simracers will never pay for it.
I'll stay in ACC... I don't think that AC Evo will replace it anytime soon, or atleast I hope that. There will be a lot of work to be done there, and I do have the hopes that once AC Evo is out there, Kunos will go back on developing ACC... other tracks and so on. I might be delusional, but, I think its a mixture of hope and also thinking about the game purpose itself. ACC will slowly die if it doesnt get any update, but I feel that they came with Nords "big" update to give a breather until they have Evo launched, making money and than being able to dev each game separated. ...
I think AMS 2 will never be a Multiplayer Game, even so Reiza invested some time to make it better. They said themselves it will never be an iracing or ACC in this aspect. Still, I'm hoping for more Online Players, even if Multiclass is not as satisfying with 32 Cars grids as it is with bigger grids. Maybe we can hope for 48 cars in the future, with this grid size getting implemented in Single Player with 1.6. For RaceRoom, I must say, it is very good in Multiplayer and fun to drive, plus the sound is very good too. Sure graphics could be better, but for me as VR-Player I am ok with it. Just needs more Players like AMS 2. I really like all the different content both games have to offer, because for me GT3 is not all, Old DTM Cars or Group C and so on are so much fun to drive.
If Kunos still has the GTWC license it would be a stupid decision to ignore acc. Either fully implement the GT3 category with up to date cars and liveries into ac evo, or continue supporting acc properly, not just adding the current liveries to already existing cars. There is a huge amount of people wanting to do competitive gt3 racing, it would be a waste even financially to leave them behind.
at one side, it feels completely stupid to ignore acc once evo comes out. but at the other one, if evo will feature improvements in... all areas and they still have the licenses, would make sense to try to "migrate" to evo. just implement the same cars and tracks in the game and leave acc without updates. they signaled that support for acc is ending, if I'm not mistaken.
I hope they just migrate the ACC content to EVO and their new engine. The VR experience in ACC is awful, and I only race VR. Hopefully EVO will have good LFE/buttkicker support too.
I don't see a reason to abandon ACC. Why would we need frequent updates when the game already does what its supposed to so well? AC evo won't mean the focused and passionate approach to gt3 physics in ACC will suddenly disappear. Beyond maybe some anti-cheat measure, im content with it as it is. Racing in it is the best racing experience physically in my opinion.
ACC is a great sim, but the physics do have some flaws that the esports drivers and streamers want fixed. Also, they need to bring more cars and tracks otherwise people will get tired. So the most economical solution is to abandon ACC and just focus on making ACE as good, or even better than ACC.
@@axelode45 Yes, but all sims have flaws and most likely will for years and years to come, speaking as someone with a masters degree in dynamic simulations. Accurate real-time simulation of the complex physics involved with a car is computationally just really hard. We're not at the point technologically where perfection is possible. Especially if we're judging based on subjective driving feel which is colored by the different sensory stimulaton involved between a sim and real life, which makes even the feedback of a professional driver unreliable at best. But ACC is really close as far as things go.
@@axelode45yeah but so does iracing. If I remember correctly, the tire model in iracing is shit to say the least. If you drive like in real life, you would overheat the tires in round 1. You have to nurse the car around. Also those little corrections you can do both in ACC and you can see drivers do in reality mid corner, will pretty much spin you around in iracing. Also, the weight simulation wasn't really there for me. It really doesn't matter if you drive a V12 front motor GT3 or one with the motor in the back of the car. Something ACC really does very well. Besides that, Iracing never really felt immersive to me. It looks so... Boring? Both while driving and while watching.
@@NoNamerMr You missed my point entirely, I wasn't saying ACC players should move to iRacing. I was saying if Kunos is aiming to include GT cars in ACE and make the physics the same or better than ACC, it makes no sense to continue developing ACC.
@@Erowens98 Yes I agree and I still love ACC. The thing is, right now ACE looks like it could be a successor to both AC and ACC, so why keep developing ACC? Especially when Kunos's new game engine has more potential than UE and is easier to work with.
@@SimracingPopometer It has better graphics and physics than iRacing. The main argument people use against Raceroom is the same you brought up against AMS2: not enough people play it.
@@snippidippi raceroom has its own ranked and safety system built in. It peaked in 2020 and has fallen off from there. They never made it to the point of needing splits by pace, and their schedule has shrunk to about a 1/4 of what it used to be. LFM won’t bring much over what they already had and lost.
@@OldButVerySlow I wouldn't say its graphics are better. In fact for me it just crashed fairly constantly. It's using DX9...that's not the future of sim racing. Physics I agree with you on. But it has no weather system either. Shame, as I think it has one of the best car selections out there.
I think what we all really need is sebring, road america, corvette, aston martin 2025 and a BOP patch for ACC! I can read all this between the lines of what you all write
LMU is one of the modern sims with the biggest potential, and tbh, for the pricetag, I don't see people being hesitant with a valid reason. It's EA, but giving them the push with a purchase and enabling them to focus more on that project... that will work in the long term. For the cost iRacing expects you to pay.... Nah... Not an option. LMU is the best option for a reasonable budget.
I'm sure there are people supporting LMU. For sure. But honestly I think after its hype interest on it after that first surge dwindled. Its all been more bad news over bad news with the game. Milking people while still in Early Access, on a game that still has issues running properly, shrinking interest even more, and it was no wonder the latest news on it was bad again. I just think some people are clinging onto hopium at this point. Things are not looking good for LMU. Sure it will have its audience and they will stick around, possibly enough to have races happening etc, but outside of those people I don't think the game will be as big as some wish it would be. And no amount of pushing from content creators will change this. There have been several channels saying "if you like sim racing you should support LMU to see it through"... For many this is a sound option. For others of us, yeah I don't have the time to be supporting every game out there especially with such a fierce competition. If I see things I dislike about a game, I am sorry but I am not going to support. Game has dwindled in interest because it simply failed to give people things they wanted. That is all. As for people saying "it will have/do/etc"... Yes, many of us really don't care what it might or might not do down the future. Its the result that counts. If they manage to make it an awesome game, then we will happily try it again.
Nils trying his hardest to act as if he has no clue what AC Evo will be about after being featured in the ADAC SimRacing Expo video while he was talking with the developers
i doubt very much AC evo will be able to replace acc any time soon. i would be very surprised if we dont see more updates for acc next year. gt3 racing IRL changes every year. acc has been very profitable for kunos. you dont just shoot your golden egg
But Kunos paid a licensing fee to have access to the official content, cars and liveries. Perhaps their current license has expired as one of the reasons to pick now to not further update ACC as they are not interested in paying the licensing fee for a renewal. Not saying this is fact but makes sense as to putting up a solid no more updates stance on the title.
I will stick with ACC as one of my main sims right now alongside Raceroom. I think half of the problem with Raceroom is that it isn't marketed well enough. It had a shit ton of cars and tracks to choose from and it's free to play. That's the sim that got me into sim racing back when I was still in college. As for iRacing, I don't want to pay the regular price of ACC every month just to have basic access to iRacing.
I already left ACC half a year ago and was looking for something else. iRacing never really clicked with me, same for AMS2. LMU was a perfect fit, fun to drive and competitive opponents to race against. If LMU will not develop further I probably will stop simracing until something else catches my interest again.
Thank you for your video. For me, all depends on how AC Evo will be developped/bug free on the 16th of January. If the game has enough content and not too much bug, so we have our answer. I hope Kunos is aware of the situation you explained very well here. If they can deliver a good early access game on January, they have a lot of players to gain ! (and... sorry for my english !)
i disagree with the take on acc, its like saying f1 games problem is the lack of variety of car classes, honestly what i like about acc is the it is completely accurate to what series is emulating, if i want to play another class then i go to lmu or another sim
Lets clear this up - just because development has paused or stopped does not mean a game is dying. The user base will dictate that. P.s. very enjoyable video.
Fingers crossed LMU gets bought by a sympathetic investor and continues to develop. It's actually the logical successor to ACC and lots of potential. Really looking forward to AMS2's 1.6 update but see it more as an offline experience
Also für mich als casual ACC Player, ist IRacing einfach zu teuer. Deshalb werd ich wohl ACC über LFM so lange fahren bis vllt etwas vergleichbares kommt. Denke die Pro‘s werden alle zu IRacing wechseln und die nur zum Spaß ab und zu Rennen haben wollen, bleiben vorerst bei ACC.
@MrDanielStr: 👍Vor allem Singleplayer/offline sind nicht bereit monatlich Servermiete zu bezahlen, wenn es doch eine Vielzahl an alternativen Sims gibt....
they dont understand many things there at s397 development. thats why only a few ppl play their games. they have to stop from being annoying and realise whats count and whats not.
In a way I understand it, the hypercars are the star of the show in the WEC, that's what I want to see when I watch WEC. While SRO or DTM is where I go for GT stuff. And the only SRO-licensed game is being kicked to the curb...
Great video Nils, not just the negatives but the dilemma. Kunos will be crazy not to transition the ACC environment but imagine licensing and SRO have a greater say in that. Always surprised how little comes out of Kunos by way of plans?
I enjoy ACC, I love using VR. Yesterday I got back to LMU, and even though the VR element is not finished (by a long shot); I could see myself moving more of my time over to LMU. The graphics are great, the physics are great and very challenging in comparison to ACC (more nuanced and precise driving required) And super importantly for me, I get a lot more fps than ACC in VR at a higher graphical setting. So it's a shame to hear the game is probably going to disappear.
This was the video that had to be made and I appreciate your insight on the topic. Personally I think ACC isn't going away quite as fast as people think and that is in big part due to LFM. As long as EVO doesn't have a stabilized GTx scene on LFM, there just isn't an alternative. For me iRacing just feels too much of a money grab, where you constantly have to keep buying cars and tracks in order to compete in your favorite series. AM2 driving from my limited experience just feels very floaty and drifty (in GT3 and Cup). The aero cars are fine, but I still don't see them taking over from the GT-crowd.
this vid came 10 days too early IMO. lets see whats his thoughts on 2025 simracing scene when he'll actually see in ~10 days if there is enough competition in current ACE build and how the community will react in AMS2 v1.6 (there is a lot of hype and expectations involved there for a long time and a significant investment that NEEDS to go well)
ACC player, and it's now almost impossible to find non-GT3 races in my timezone. Unless you want to run LFM GT3 dailies, the sim feels a little dead compared to this time 12 months ago. Was hoping to switch to LMU in early/mid 2025, but until the MS Games debacle gets sorted I'm not going to spend my money on a sim that may never be completed. AMS2 has a good car/track variety, but feels off still to me. iRacing is too specific (and expensive) and Rennsport is just dead on arrival. At the moment, I'll stick with ACC and the occasional modded AC service. I'll wait and see what LMU and ACE are like in the next 6-9 months before making a call on where to switch.
It's a shame that RaceRoom isn't part of this conversation. Especially with the graphics update, it's become my favorite sim of late, especially in VR. Still waiting for AMS 1.6 and hoping the tire model finally becomes acceptable. AC is really showing its age even with mods, ACC fails utterly in VR, and LMU ....well, who knows what happens there.
Since I use OpenXR for my Reverb2 I have no issues with ACC, lateley I got a workaround to implement ACC Drive with OpenKneeboard to the VR and it works really great.
League racing and LFM on original AC are plenty good enough for years to come (better than ACC in my opinion). Still hope AC Evo will deliver but we don't know yet.
Great unbiased analysis Nils, good job! I don't have an answer for e-sport/competitive sim racers at the moment or in the near future. Luckily we are still blessed with a ton of sims that offer a great driving experience for people who care more about the pure driving fun (like RF2, RBR, AC, Raceroom etc)
What has annoyed me since PC2 and what AMS2 has adopted without question is the absolutely horrible setup management. Limited to a maximum of 12 characters. It's also annoying that I can't use the same setup name for different cars. In addition, the setup is hidden in some weird “blockchain” so that you can't even get a single file. So for me it remains an on/off game with more off than on phases.
What I really don't understand is why the SRO is letting Kunos neglect ACC like that. Even as it is I'm going to stick to it as long as reasonably possible and I'd happily pay more for them to keep working on ACC and I doubt I'm alone with that. But if and when it really "dies" I can't see myself committing to iRacing, so unless LMU somehow becomes a thing after all or AMS2 gets a healthy online scene, I'm probably just not going to sim race competitively and chill on Evo or compete on hotlap leaderboards on AMS2 or something.
I heard the working with SRO was more than difficult and really bound them to do things they didnt like. This is just what I hear, so dont take this as a source
The best refection on the current ACC situation out there. No drama for self justification of Game choice and shit. Well done. Danke vielmals! Grüße aus Hamburg
Gran Turismo 4 and Forza Motorsport 4 emulated until Evo. iRacing I bought a year sub late 2020, bought my fave GT3 car and my two favorite tracks. Then learn no offline AI for the tracks or cars I was interested in and no chance to drive my fave car in online races anyways for probably a couple months. Damn. But they won, they got the monies and i put maybe 20 hours into it. I wonder how many year subs they take where user does less than 20hrs 😅
I only started in ACC about 6 months ago, still got lots to discover in that sim (as a complete newbie in sim racing). I have downloaded LMU, but haven't done much with it, mainly because of the time spent in ACC. LMU would have been my main choice as an alternative to ACC...😢
@@counterclockwise1162 i think when the whole GT3 field will release it will help LMU forward. The base of the game is absolutely awesome, just needs more content.
I always end up back on iRacing. Nothing else has really ever hit the right buttons they way it does. It is not perfect. But there is an "x" factor to it that always pulls me back.
I think it's as addicting as it is repulsive. I find myself coming back to it from time to time (with excitement) but I stop shortly. Besides great multiplayer there's not enough value. The cars don't feel right to me. People say iRacing improves every year, but the tyres still feel shit and their marketing department never stops shilling
We know barely anything about AC EVO except a cheesy trailer that shows very little gameplay, let's not draw any conclusions until they reveal more/we can play the game
@@madburgerman878 I don't even consider these marketing stunts as useful information, so much changes in games between these early playable models and final releases. I don't judge a cake as it's halfway baked. Let them finish cooking, and when they release the game we'll be able to tell. Who knows, it might be the terrible gran turismo clone everyone seems to think it'll be, or it could be the best simracing game ever released. People are already trashing a game that doesn't exist purely based on speculation.
Never believe in the HYPE.. KUNOS ACE Will be guaranteed broken on release. It will probably take them a couple of years to sort out all the bugs and errors, with countless fixes and updates.. You've been warned. Don't pre-order ! You will only be disappointed.. 👍
My chain of thought is that I'll be doing the same I've been doing for a little more (and that's ACC and AC) ... I thought about LMU but with the latest news it's a no go for me, so my gut feeling is that I'll stay with what I know until eventually Evo outgrows the others ... (and I still have ams2 just in case there's a boom there)
All of these problems are PC exclusive. On console it is much worse as the pool of games is massively reduced on consoles. I think that it is a shame that consoles are continuing to be seemingly neglected by studios, and was my biggest problem with ACC. I think many games would release in a much healthier state and be in a much better position if they released all games from now on with crossplay on all platforms. Other types of games like call of duty and fortnight adopted crossplay in their games years ago, even F1 managed it, and that remains to this day, the only vaguely sim title to have proper functioning crossplay across the 3 major platforms and I don't think there is much of an excuse for it any more for sim racing, as especially with the model ACC adopted, it led myself as a console player to feel like I was only there to balance the books, and that I wouldn't get a chance to prove myself against the PC aliens, which is harder now more than ever since games are becoming more and more hardware intensive, the PC required to run a game on optimal settings nowadays are really expensive and really turns people like me away. So yeah, in short summary, I think no matter how bad PC players think they have it, console players have it a lot worse, as the pool of games to choose from is not even half of that list you've just mentioned nils, and I also think crossplay should be a bare minimum requirement going forward for all games.
What I keep hearing from the community about R3E, that it's still on the old DX9, it doesn't have weather changes, no endurance races and no car swap. Even doe, R3E is my go to sim is, because I prefer the force feedback, physics, you can push the cars to its limit and when you make contact with another car you just don't spin out of control. The same thing with Le Mans Ultimate and rFactor2, when it comes to the feedback....I still play some iRacing, and enjoy playing it, plus they have the best infrastructure then any sims on market.
Not to sound negative, since ACC 1.9v update I played it a couple times, the 1.8v too me was the best one. The force feedback feel so numb to me I can't get a feel of what the car is doing especially with braking.
It seems the only way to survive is to use a subscription model...so with the limited range of LMU I would be more than happy to pay £2.99 a month as well as buying car and track packs. IMHO.
All of this is how iv been thinking for the last nearly 2 years. I do still have some confidence that LMU will survive, I just cant see a company not buying them. Companies invest in things all of the time so I dont see no one trying it with 397. Weather it works out or not is another thing but I do belive some one will try it.
I don't think ACC will face a mass exodus. Given all the options why would they? Change to something worse / they like less. Quit sim racing. Sit and wait for something new / better to come. All seems unlikely to me rather than just stick with a well established game and judge other opportunities as they come by.
i think they would be unwise to cease support of ACC, given that AC EVO is not intended to make the game completely redundant. In their place, I would seriously consider making a "demo version" if you will, with bmw m2s only, and I would also say that at least one GT4 car should be made available in the base game. I would also highly suggest an official partnership with LFM, and incorporating their system into the game client.
What an amazing reception of this video, guys. Very happy also with the discussion in the comments, keep 'em coming!
pretty sure someone will make better use of your sim eqiupment, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@@Ginnittowinit bad day at the office, huh?
@@SimracingPopometer nah its just you chatted pure bull, i can put my house sim racing will be about in the next 5 years. but go ahead and get them clicks in bub.
@@Ginnittowinit unfortunately I don't understand what you are saying. but keep being angry on the Internet
Kannst du Crowdfunding starten um LMU zu retten? Bitte
Rennsport was completely left out lmaooooo. My hope is that LMU survives since I think that's the sim with the most potential.
ACC will last way longer than a lot of people would like to admit for the very same reason that a lot of people have avoided it for so long. Sure, it only does one thing, and sure, it's got plenty of its own issues with physics, VR performance, singleplayer experience, etc. but it is by far the most diverse and in-depth simulation of a specific type of car we have out there. I wish more sims took the approach ACC does, of being focused on giving you a specific experience in as high a fidelity as it can.
No other sim does GT3s the justice that ACC does. ACC makes them all feel like unique cars with different characteristics, driving styles, methods to set up, etc., but sims like iRacing and AMS2 meld them all into a mush of "GT3-esque"-feeling material, where the cars all feel like slightly tweaked versions of the same physics model. Raceroom is the only sim aside from ACC that I've felt has the personality that ACC does, but not to the same extent, and it has too many other missing pieces to be a true replacement.
ACC has huge grids, it has a multiplayer scene thanks to LFM, it has weather (however flawed its wet physics are), it has time of day, it has enjoyable but believable and hard to master driving, it has multiclass, it has car and setup diversity within the classes it has. It's going to be very hard for a sim which isn't as focused to have all those things in one package, even if other sims will do various bits and pieces better than ACC.
Big thing saying LMU is “gone”, and with someone with your weight and say in the sim racing community, could potentially damage it further. From what I can see, the GT3’s will be coming out at the very least. There are a lot of people out there who have already paid for it with the season pass too.
For me, the worst case scenario is iRacing having a monopoly on all these licences. I like iRacing, but it’s dated engine and far from ideal physics, let alone the exorbitant price model for it, makes me worried for the future.
I’m into racing. I’m not too worried about a “driving simulator”. Driving a VW Golf around the Nurburgring, or indeed the roads around the Nurburgring, doesn’t excite me too much. Don’t get me wrong, I’m very much looking forward to ACEVO, and have hopes that racing cars will have a much bigger presence than the trailers and info so far are letting on.
But LMU is in prime position to take over the batton from ACC. Yes it’s worrying what we’ve seen come out recently about MSG, and we know their track record, but Studio 397 are clearly hugely talented sim racing developers and I think more support from yourself and other influencers on TH-cam could go a long way in helping matters. Saying LMU has “gone” a few days after hearing the recent news is rather hyperbolic and surely can only put more and more people off it, especially coming from a respected sim racer like yourself.
If you’re so worried about the future of sim racing, come out with something a bit more positive, especially as we know so little about the scenario.
Agreed - condemning LMU to an early grave while its still being developed, albeit with a smaller team, does it no favours. Whilst we do not know what future it has, I and many others are still keen to see it succeed, and it has become the go-to sim for many of us. And we already know what the next 3-4 months are going to be like as content creators are already fawning all over ACE, and even from a simple no-content minute long promo video have created hours of meaningless fluff.
as I said in the video, there's no reason to assume a self fulfilling prophecy and i dont want to start one. the company has been troubled for a long time and putting it up for sale is not just another normal business move - they need money, and it isn't coming enough from sales apparently.
so of course I won't tell people to go out there and buy the game just to support them, because it could mean their money goes to waste. they'll have to organize their own genuine support and convince people of the product. currently the market environment doesn't seem to faciliatet that. Maybe the GT3 Pack will come in time to give them another lifeline. but we gotta stay objective here: it needs a major turnaround, they aren't on the brink of breaking even. and this doesn't come out of nowhere and also not even if ALL my subscribers would buy it. That would give them a few days or weeks of operating costs and thats it. my impact (sadly, luckily?) isn't that big :)
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@@SimracingPopometer of course, all very good points, but you guys do have a lot of sway, especially with quite a niche game like LMU. ACC has definitely been boosted by people like yourself and Jardier for example.
LMU is in a better position this early on than ACC ever was. I suppose my main issue with your video is that you state LMU has “gone” very early on in the video and way before any of us are to truly know that.
I don’t really understand the perspective of not recommending it. It’s not like it’s broken or an awful driving experience. It arguably has some of the most rewarding FFB/driving physics out there already and has huge potential with the ACO licence. Paying £30 now and getting a working game (yes there are bugs, but most are not experiencing game breaking bugs) with this level of driving/racing/online play is, for me, worth it and then some. £30 gets you two race tracks in iRacing… a sim that should be so so far ahead of its competitors with the money it’s raking in.
All about perspective and of course personal preference. It helps that I have wanted an official WEC title for years so I may be a little biased, but I can see that a lot of sim racers are missing out on this title, even in its current EA state, due to “boo MSG” or “boo paid DLC for an EA game”. This is not encouraging news, we can’t get away from that, but it would so so disappointing if this falls through. If it does, I’ll just be thankful that it got to EA release and we have what we do.
@@aaron0288well said. £30 is very very little money to risk for a top tier driving sim.
I’m really heartbroken about the situation with LMU. I’m trying to stay positive and praying it is the next big thing. The game is absolutely brilliant!
Don't worry. Most of the stuff that Nils said in this video is sadly clikbaity bullocks.
The company is looking for outside funding, because their financial situation is far from perfect, but they are far from bankruptcy either.
Literally in the article CEO said that that reduction of employees is just a normal optimisation of resources. Hell he even said that they are looking for external funding to make a console version a thing and that they have plans for future titles.
I'm not sure we can be sure of S397's future in 3-5 year span, but next 12 months are safe for sure.
@@ErwinLiszkowicz I'm rooting for MSG to get LMU finished and have it become a success, but the funding hurdle is a tough one. It seems all their future projects are contingent on outside funding via a sale or merger. I really like the game and want to play it more, but it needs work. I end up on ACC most of the time.
@@____________________ok lmao, firstly - they didn't lay off the programmers or anyone important. Secondly - rF2 isn't being developed so why the hell would you expect perfection from it? It's an abandoned game at this point.
LMU is being developed steadily and it's getting significantly better with each update.
So there's plenty of stuff that proves they are on the right track.
But if you want to find reasons to hate them, go ahead. I don't really care. I'm having a tonne of fun driving on LMU since finally I have a properly simulated Hypercars instead of the bullcrap that belongs to an arcade game that iRacing created.
As an ACC league racer who has LMU and absolutely loves the feel and driving experience it offers. I so so hope lmu survives and pushes forward. The devs in the lmu discord are adament nothing has changed their end at this stage but we will see. lmu will fill that dying ACC world perfectly. Iracing is why to expensive for my tastes having to buy new tracks every week or car just to stay competitive in gt3 or imsa because of bop issues. Also i could never wrap my head around the tyres in iracing. for the good of simracing LMU has to survive and deliver the full GT3 package and expand into ELMS and ALMS which would produce an excellent track list.
Hey Nils, you are the Godfather of SimRacing, no doubt about it! You are way more mature than 95% of the simracing community and I really appreciate this. The German word is "unaufgeregt". Keep on doing the good stuff. P.S. Oh, almost forgot: don´t forget AUTOMOBILISTA2! 1.6 patch is coming!
I totally agree with this comment. Nils is probably the most genuine sim racer/content creator that's also likeable too. As well as having no gimmicks or trying to play a character in an attempt to increase viewership and subs etc. When nils speaks, I listen.
many thanks! :)
AMS2 + Update + LFM can be really nice and have an impact on community and multiplayer...
@@svefre85 AMS2 🔥🔥
7:24 To say Assetto Corsa has no competitive player base is a big understatement.
I'm on ACC and i'll be moving to EVO on day one. The main issue for competitive drivers on EVO might be the initial updates that will change your laptimes/setups/driving style. But if there is no GT3 to start with, there will always be some category where people tend to play more often, meaning more splits, which is where you find more door to door racing with people of same safety rating, these two are king for a good experience! Learning a new game/cars is always fun!
we get the Porsche cup and i will be very suprised if they dont port over most of ACCs content.. there was an interveiw where they stated they have a new omnline eco system where people can esily host competitive leagues and the likes so its clearly built to incorporated things like lfm.. as a relative noob who loves ACs physics and ffb but also loves online racing AC LFM has been enough for me for now but would lve a modern sim with the same kind of feeling
ACEVO will be a place to go for everyone!
This is even more sad for console sim racers! ACC multiplayer on console though is picking up, those wanting a more serious sim racing experience from Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport have no real choice but ACC. Simgrid Seasons enabled multiplayer daily racing in ACC, made it more accessible.
Hope LMU will survive and grow, LMU is absolutely amazing in FFB, graphics, color setting, sound - just awesome!
i hope so too, the hypercar model are soo god, the sound the electronic of those cars etc feels very immersive overall
@@fakepivot LMU crashes every time on loading... deleted shader cache, didn't work anymore.
@@TomDef-j6u works fine for me…
I really feel like Sim Racing hasn't properly figured out how to keep players in the long term, and I mean intermediate level players. The people that are just messing around are always going to gravitate towards Gran Turismo, Forza Horizon, etc. The e-sports types like yourself are going to only care about top tier, online racing ultimately. There's a big gap between which is your competent intermediate sim racer, who is not an never will be an alien, who just wants to race surrounded by similarly paced talent and experience the thrill of close racing. Something needs to be built into multiplayer to keep these people coming back and keep the grids full of close competition. I feel like the newbs get intimidated and quit. The e-sports guys live in their own world, and the intermediates feel discouraged especially when they find themselves in a split with e-sports people because not enough people are in the lobby.
I enjoyed working up through iRacing, but I feel like my interest in it has reached a plateau where I just don't want to keep spending on more tracks and cars especially as the purchases would put me in lobbies that aren't well populated.
don't know what the answer is. For now, it's occassional online racing in RaceRoom, Co-Op offline in LMU, and running seasons against Adaptive AI in race room, as it gets me that close racing I like without the discouraging "oh look only 5 people in this race" I get all too often online.
I also have absolutely no idea, why no other sim than iRacing actually tries to make a good online racing ecosystem and matchmaking.
I've been driving iRacing since 2009, and I just cant switch to any other sim because they dont have the multiplayer career aspect to them. No matter how great the graphics and physics, if its just random lobbies or third party organized leagues, I feel like I have zero incentive to race and the races mean nothing in the end.
Imagine if someone created the most amazing online FPS / battle royale game that beat the competition in every way, but didnt include any matchmaking or organized multiplayer and left that for the community. Everyone would consider that as an incredibly stupid decision and massive amount of lost potential.
And yet still, every sim racing title except iRacing does that mistake. Still in 2024.
100% this, I've been Simracing for 10 months almost exclusively on iRacing, and although of course it's more expensive, the ecosystem makes it totally compelling. I like the superior graphics etc in other games, but the physics and multiplayer features of iRacing make it unbeatable for me.
I think this video refers mostly to e-sport level simracers. The average simracer, like me, is seeing a very bright future for simracing. I can load up a session in every sim and have amazing racing. Online or offline. For e-sport level drivers, like you Nils, this is much harder to achieve. AI is too slow in every sim, you can do last to first challenges on highest AI level in every sim. So to find competition, you are very correct that the future is more uncertain. For the average simracer (about 96% AI on ACC without too much practice here) it's very much happy days.
I think this is a bit coloured by being a content creator. I can understand why ACC becoming 'static' is a problem for the content creator, there is 'nothing to talk about'. Personally I think your early comment about AC vs ACC and the competitive nature of the latter is key.
For me, as long as LFM is fairly populated and there are people to race, I'm good with ACC. Competition is competition, it doesn't need a continuous stream of new content. I'm here for the racing/competitive nature (zero interest in GT3 per-se). I'm closer to pro times than I used to be, but I'm not at the top. Progression doesn't require more tracks, different cars, or fancier graphics. Hopefully there's enough folks of the same mindset to keep it viable, although I do appreciate that 'ooh shiny' is also present in the ACC population.
I'm sure at some point, I'll change to whatever the next thing is, but I won't be an early adopter - competitive needs to be in place. Maybe it really is simulation: If I had the money to race real cars, I'm sure I'd be driving the same car on similar tracks multiple years!
One thing's sure though, iRacing won't be my future. Good or bad, simply not willing to put that kind of money into pixelised race cars.
Indeed, it does come off as a very streamer centric problem. ACC is my go to and I don't see myself abandoning it either, at least until ACE is fully complete and we know where we stand with it.
well said
I Racing = Money Money money... not for us casual Gamers.
And money brings quality which iracing never failed to deliver
@@rms_6401 yes for a few classes but for stuff like the gtps,it feels half assed (i.e. how the gtps shouldn’t have its current rendition of KERS ,which from what i heard came from the f1 car),i might be wrong here but the tyres also feel like they have infinite grip and the car just feels numb, so yeah thats also a pain point for me
I never would pay for iRacings 90s graphics
@@moldysporks2233 which classes do you recommend most ?
@@Kpaxlol i dont really go to iracing due to just the sheer cost but the formulas and some of the gt stuff is really fun if you want close racing
I’m gonna keep driving and hosting MP races on AMS2. Leagues have been using it for years and it has been working well enough. Looking forward to the MP improvements and hopefully some bug fixes. If this update brings more people in and they stay, it’ll be great for MP overall. I just hope the studio is able to answer and provide some sort of a guide for quirks and features that new players are unaware of. That seems like a big roadblock for most and if you don’t have help within a league or forum it’s a bit of a lost cause.
I wanted to switch from ACC to LMU 3 month ago, because I love multiclass. But LFM introduced so many new special events recently that I am really happy with ACC right now.
We are playing Asetto Corsa 1 for another 10 years no worries
@@andrewvillegas7747
With another 16gigs worth of mods
I dont see acc being in real danger. Ofc many rather casual players will wonder off due to the supposed boredom of no new content. But the active player base has, as you mentioned, a very competetive mindset. For me the thrill of acc is the competetive gt3 endurance racing and acc does that like no other. So since theres no real alternative, ill happily stick with acc. Just because theres no further development on the game, doesnt suddenly make it a bad title to play. It just remains as good as it is. Acc shines in league racing and endurance events and as long as the community continues to host these, acc has a good future. In addition theres still daylies on lfm, so the more day to day racing is also covered. I for myself will definitely stick to acc
This. I dont really think ACE will have as much GT3s ACC has, plus I dont think Kunos wants ACE to be their main Esport game. As they said in a report, they will continue support it with the GTWC Esports events. At the end, it will really depends on what ACE is focused: Just driving? Driving plus racing?
Exactly my thoughts.
As an ACC LFM player my priorities are competitive racing, and the intense immersive feel that ACC gives me. ACC is fairly polished at this point (I'm not so bothered about new cars/content although the new Aston would be nice) and LFM grids are stacked, so I'm happy to wait until this all shakes out and we see what choices remain.
The serious, competitive dedicated sim racer is a small minority in an ever expanding market. The huge success of original Assetto Corsa points to where the market is. So the development of "Driving Simulators" is where the development money is going and will continue to go. Improvements in computer and gaming machine hardware and AI guarantee that this will continue. There is absolutely no reason for developers to pour money into a small market. The name of the game is gaming, not highly competitive racing where fractions of a second matter. ACC and Le Mans Ultimate and IRacing don't appeal to gamers at all, neither do they appeal to people who want to drive cars for pleasure. They never will. Kunos is the only developer that has a chance of producing a sim that satisfies racers and drivers alike. We will have to wait until 2025 to find out whether they are even going to try.
AMS2 is primarily a single player game with multiplayer tacked on. Which suits me perfectly.
Money is the main factor regards iRacing. I and others can't afford £130/year plus £15 per car and track
Not a fan of gt3 in iRacing it’s just a dull joyless experience . I will focus on ams2 and hope LFM does a good job. The leagues in ams2 may also grow more too I hope .
I started with ACC around a year ago, but it became stale really quick. I don't want to drive GT3 all day, so I switched to iRacing. While not a fan of the subscription model I still like the variety it brings to the table and I dropped a couple of hundred euros into it lol.
The communication with the customer in iRacing is leaps and bounds ahead of any other studio. Not to mention new content every 3 months. I am thrilled to see what they'll deliver next, means cars, tracks or tech and I am looking forward to the "new tyre model".
Case in point: there is no perfect sim out there, all sims have good and bad stuff and one has to test and chose for themselves what is subjectively the most important thing and what is the least important one.
If it only it looked like a 2025 simulator, I would probably stay there. It also seems detached from people and focused more on a customer the company relationship mainly whereas AC is built with real people communities that share common love for driving
@@mike_33gt I thought the same prior the switch. But now I really have to say when racing I really don't notice it anymore. I am running reshade though. Without it I would probably agree
I really was not expecting to fall in love with LMU, being I refunded it at launch, and couldn't get past rF2's jank, but the driving, content, AI, physics, and most importantly racing, are all fantastic. Stephen Hood strikes me as somebody trying to do everything they can to save the company from Dimitri Kosko's waste, but being officially broke since 2022, let alone today, it may indeed be too late, and I can't blame players for being hesitant to enter it.
However this transition period unfolds, I just hope we don't repeat the mistakes made of the last ten years.
16:24 - Thank god, it wasn't just me...
yeah, i think stephen is very open minded and is trying to do what is needed to keep that ship sailing. but still headwind!
Between ACC and AC there is enough content to keep me happy. ACE will replace AC but ACC i believe still has its place and i just hope that kunos continue to give it some love once the big push for the early access release of ACE is done, as it still has loads of potential with a full Asia and US series to fulfill, as well as missing European circuits.
I think ACE will be more single player / non competitive. Which is fine. But it's not like ACC.
i dont see why ACC wont be rolled in to AC.. they can port the cars tracks over for little work.. they have already stated they have a new online eco system that is designed to allow for completive leagues and events and the new engine will solve all the issues people have with ACC.. people are gonna want to race GT3s in ACE but we will also be able to get proper multi class racing as well
I guess I'll just chill on ACC till there is something better. If there is not, then I'll just drive ACC. Kinda sad to see LMU in the state they are but maybe they can pull thru
Just a tad annoyed with Kunos doing quite little with ACC considering the potential there still.
When ACE comes out I just hope ACC won't be completely abandoned, small updates even once in a while will be enough
I hope so too but I don't see that being worth while if ACE is on the same level physics-wise and has the same GT cars. Kunos have said Unreal Engine is tricky to work with, so they'll probably be happy to let ACC go and just focus on ACE.
It’s sad because LMU is the best driving experience so we need to believe they find investors because physic , driving is just amazing
I would say, you pretty much nailed it, Nils! 👍🏼
For me personally, I am a late adopter and (re-)started doing sim racing beginning of 2024.
So, in my case I still learn and enjoy ACC a lot!! Therefore, I will most probably be able to bridge the gap until AC Evo takes over. The bigger question for me will be if there stay enough people with me so that the splits in LFM are still well filled. I really hope so!
I still hope LMU gets through this and becomes a staple in Sim Racing.
On the other hand, LFM engaged in a cooperation with AMS2 and is developing support for AMS2 on their platform. That is something many players from ACC will have a very easy and almost seamless transition to another sim, whilst staying on the same platform.
In the end I hope LMU will get supported by LFM the same in the future when it is ready for prime time.
I can see some ACC streamers already trying out iracing but iracing is a very closed platform and does not do cooperations with e.g. SRO as LFM does. For a period of time I can see iracing being the bridge until LFM+AMS2 is ready.
I'm suck on what "sim" i want to be on. iRacing is where I want to be, I just can not get on with the physics. LMU is unfinished and like you said, may even dissapear. AC for me is where i go to mess about with odd combo's of cars and track. With a little bit of drifting. ACC is very stale and i get bored very easy. LFM help's but like you said, it's limited on how many combo's you can race. AMS2 just doesnt have the following for me. Like the game, just struggle to have fun. RF2 and Rennsport.... No thanks. I will be going to AC Evo on day one, I hope it's what we are all looking for.
@@JC21x This is exactly where I am. iRacing claimed in one of their update videos that they’re working to improve tire model and FFB, so I’m hoping that happens sooner than later. Until then, I hope AC Evo hits the spot.
I moved to iracing almost a year ago.. learning curve was large coming from acc... but i always try to remember that anything i tried compared to acc would be wierd because thats what i played for years.. thats not to say acc has everything right of course.. once u drive and understand what u need to do it just becomes the new norm. People put such emphasis on the differences between the two sims but ultimately u just relearn things and away you go...
For me i hope evo doesnt focus too much on gt3 racing either because we have this class in every sim. I would prefer something fresh maybe with a sprinkling of gt cars...
You say things are stagnant in acc and you want simething new but i bet it will still end up bei g gt3s at monza and red bull ring lol
I think ACE shouldn‘t focus on GT3 cars but I hope that they also not focus on street cars what it seems to do.
people are really missing out on LMU, its the most fun and competitive sim out there, the physics are incredible and the way you can quickly join the race is very intuitive, if you can ignore the occasional crashes then you have something special.
@@V-Racing indeed!! I want to fully concentrate on LMU, but can’t leave my ACC league.
This!!!
Your entire video is based on an *assumption* that LMU won't make it, and if you ask me, you're leaning too much into sensational, clickbaity reports and crossing off LMU way too prematurely. In fact, you are contributing to its troubles by propagating the negative narrative around it, so maybe that's not too smart if you care about future of simracing.
That said, the game is not only just too good at the moment to simply disappear, but it's also a joint venture between MSG and ACO, having direct support from the Club, which won't simply let it die. It may actually be the case that the company is considering selling out (because as of now it's only under consideration) because they finally have something of value to offer. Nobody would've wanted the broken mess that was released in February, but now? With some modest investment, given the company's condition, you can have a solid, working foundation for a game that will do exactly what you're wondering about - intercept the entire ACC playerbase.
Nils, you describe my situation and my thoughts exactly. I have tried almost every sim. As I prefer to drive and want to drive online, competitively, in leagues, Endus with driver swap, etc., I almost only drove ACC until the end. My great hope was LMU, as it is the best simulator in my eyes. But with the recent developments at 397 I am unsure about the further developments regarding multiplayer, driver swap, stability, content... It's a shame!!! And I am very sad about that.
But as I want to continue driving online, competitively, in leagues, multiplayer, endus, etc., and in a sim that has a future and will be developed further (we can't really see that with ACC), I've also started with iRacing these days. Not all that glitters is gold here either. But it works, is stable and you can drive. These are important criteria for me as a family man and full-time worker who only has limited time for this hobby.
But most of all, I'm just sad about LMU. On the other hand, these are also somehow great times for SimRacer, as a lot is happening... :-)
After the originally promising Project Cars series failed to deliver and ultimately died I returned to iRacing and I'm glad I did.
No sim is perfect but I prefer the idea of sim racing being a service I can perpetually consume rather than a release title I need to jump onto and then off again 4 years later.
why you (and niels, it seems) need to drive only one sim? i dont get it.
not enough storage space available? if most people just playing only one sim then lot of sims may die in the next years.
limited time to reach a reasonable level on a sim and truly deep dive it. a lot of people only have a few hours to spare a week
@Daz555Daz You are 100% correct. This is not more evident than streamers. A few of them jump on the flavour of the month (LMU, Rennsport etc) sing it's praises and then 1 month later, they're back on iRacing because of what it offers overall. You can't escape, what iRacing does well, what it offers, no other sim can compete with. The proof is in the pudding. Money talks, that's why iRacing survives despite players' apparent allegiances to other sims. Clearly, its business model and player base is supporting the thriving sim whilst others struggle despite apparent iRacing's "poor physics", "tyre models" etc. By the way...there is a racing community in iRacing that includes open wheelers, rally cross, Nascar, to mention a few. Not everyone is in it for GT3. Yes, a lot, but no, not everyone.
Agreed, Nils. My fear is that EVO will be trying to compete with the more casual Gran Turismo and still try to maintain the competitive ACC playerbase. Tricky, at best and disastrous at worst.
EVO is clearly aimed at the Gran Turismo crowd but I believe it can also juggle that with competitive ACC player base. All they need to do is copy the GT7 / LMU style online competitive scheme.
I'm already crying because of LMU
Simracing community needs to start crowdfunding!
Stick with ACC and watchout AC Evo. There is no other options...
LMU. Physics and FFB is good!
I find iracing GT3 is like wrestling a tiger, whereas in ACC GT3, you get to dance with the tiger. I hope there's still room for ACC to grow in some way. Racing street cars in EVO just doesn't cut it 😅
Finally an objective video about that topic. Got tired of videos like:"acc is boring and bad so i leave to iracing or any other sim". i see exactly the same challenge or question like you do: what is the alternative for acc or ac at the moment. As you already described, there are a few causes why acc is as popular as it is. For me driving in endu in sprint leagues in acc with a few races a year i am far away from beeing bored by the game. It is just perfect to know cars and tracks and to just do a few laps of practice before a race to be competitive enough to have fun. I am pretty sure acc will stay where it is for a few years. The few creators who just "left" to iracing recently will probably come back to acc once they got used to the driving and its own specific bugs and problems. They will experience that there is no big difference at all. So I dont see the problem in the sims itself but much more in the big amount of time many people especially creator/esport are spending with racing. No matter in which sim, even racing itself will get boring when you do it every day for many ours. So maybe the question will not even be which simulation will be the next but even if the bored people will even leave to other games. May be the only thing which keeps them racing is the pretty expencive equipment they have. Nevertheless my prediction is that acc will stay where it is and maybe kunos will even surprise us with another update in a few month. Bored people will maybe come back after a short pause.
I think its a bit premature to say LMU is gone. We dont know if some of the layoffs were related to administration or other game licenses/studios which were scrapped. It seems the core staff is still there and we saw the WIP GT3 cars in the summer already. Its not good news, but it may not be as bad as you picture it.
a bit of reasonable hyperbole - agree.
But I respect your critical views on simracing, I know you want the best for it. Tough love haha.
The more options out there, the smaller player bases for each game.
indeed.
AMS 2 v1.6 will change the scene... Until ACE comes out swinging.
AMS2 is only good for its visuals in VR and competent A.I racing
@@Ginnittowinit that's your opinion!
AC EVO is going to eventually be a good game, Kunos has the history to back up that assumption when referring to EVO.
I feel there is a large sim racing audience that would like to see a truly well developed and balanced vintage racing scene for multiple classes of cars, not just modern GT offerings.
Even something like touring car classes with the same amount realism that went into ACC's gt cars .
Not all racers want to race something like GT3's, LMP's or F1 cars but would like to race more car club types of racers that resemble a reasonably modified racing version of the car sitting out in their driveway.
One thing that Kunos will miss is having Aris doing his videos explaining to the average sim racer the mechanics and the set ups of the different cars and tire models.
Aris did a lot for helping newer sim racers actually understand the workings of the game coming from a man that helped build the game and he explained things in a way non alien drivers could take the information and improve upon their abilities within the game.
The more that the new player can learn how to make themselves better and understand how to properly set up their own cars and see the better lap times the more apt they are to stick around for a while.
The average non pro sim racer playing in their spare time does not want a game that they feel to succeed they need to buy car set ups on line or pay a driving coach to get somewhat competitive with other drivers in roughly their same skill level.
LFM is the best thing to happen for the non iRacing sim titles when it comes to online racing/ranking of the drivers.
u fast guys race intensly most days, others dont so acc is not losing appeal for everyone.. & im guessing some other streamers are just looking for income but i cant see a better on-track experience than acc right now. Each current game will probably have something we can enjoy but i cant see the point in investing time & money into ageing games when a couple of good ones might be released soon. I'll wait & see.
thank you, fantastic summary. I'm crying over the development of LMU as I run the rFactor 2 league. Unfortunately, I don't think it's time for a new super physically accurate simulator despite the top HW available today. Such things were created 20 years ago at ISI as a hobby in the production of professional SW. Today, a few simracers will never pay for it.
I'll stay in ACC...
I don't think that AC Evo will replace it anytime soon, or atleast I hope that.
There will be a lot of work to be done there, and I do have the hopes that once AC Evo is out there, Kunos will go back on developing ACC... other tracks and so on.
I might be delusional, but, I think its a mixture of hope and also thinking about the game purpose itself.
ACC will slowly die if it doesnt get any update, but I feel that they came with Nords "big" update to give a breather until they have Evo launched, making money and than being able to dev each game separated. ...
I think AMS 2 will never be a Multiplayer Game, even so Reiza invested some time to make it better. They said themselves it will never be an iracing or ACC in this aspect.
Still, I'm hoping for more Online Players, even if Multiclass is not as satisfying with 32 Cars grids as it is with bigger grids. Maybe we can hope for 48 cars in the future, with this grid size getting implemented in Single Player with 1.6.
For RaceRoom, I must say, it is very good in Multiplayer and fun to drive, plus the sound is very good too. Sure graphics could be better, but for me as VR-Player I am ok with it.
Just needs more Players like AMS 2.
I really like all the different content both games have to offer, because for me GT3 is not all, Old DTM Cars or Group C and so on are so much fun to drive.
Man i enjoyed this video. Felt it's a very honest talk and cant agree more!
If Kunos still has the GTWC license it would be a stupid decision to ignore acc. Either fully implement the GT3 category with up to date cars and liveries into ac evo, or continue supporting acc properly, not just adding the current liveries to already existing cars.
There is a huge amount of people wanting to do competitive gt3 racing, it would be a waste even financially to leave them behind.
at one side, it feels completely stupid to ignore acc once evo comes out. but at the other one, if evo will feature improvements in... all areas and they still have the licenses, would make sense to try to "migrate" to evo. just implement the same cars and tracks in the game and leave acc without updates. they signaled that support for acc is ending, if I'm not mistaken.
I hope they just migrate the ACC content to EVO and their new engine. The VR experience in ACC is awful, and I only race VR. Hopefully EVO will have good LFE/buttkicker support too.
There's no crisis, just keep playing iRacing
I don't see a reason to abandon ACC. Why would we need frequent updates when the game already does what its supposed to so well? AC evo won't mean the focused and passionate approach to gt3 physics in ACC will suddenly disappear. Beyond maybe some anti-cheat measure, im content with it as it is. Racing in it is the best racing experience physically in my opinion.
ACC is a great sim, but the physics do have some flaws that the esports drivers and streamers want fixed. Also, they need to bring more cars and tracks otherwise people will get tired. So the most economical solution is to abandon ACC and just focus on making ACE as good, or even better than ACC.
@@axelode45 Yes, but all sims have flaws and most likely will for years and years to come, speaking as someone with a masters degree in dynamic simulations. Accurate real-time simulation of the complex physics involved with a car is computationally just really hard. We're not at the point technologically where perfection is possible. Especially if we're judging based on subjective driving feel which is colored by the different sensory stimulaton involved between a sim and real life, which makes even the feedback of a professional driver unreliable at best. But ACC is really close as far as things go.
@@axelode45yeah but so does iracing. If I remember correctly, the tire model in iracing is shit to say the least. If you drive like in real life, you would overheat the tires in round 1. You have to nurse the car around. Also those little corrections you can do both in ACC and you can see drivers do in reality mid corner, will pretty much spin you around in iracing. Also, the weight simulation wasn't really there for me. It really doesn't matter if you drive a V12 front motor GT3 or one with the motor in the back of the car. Something ACC really does very well.
Besides that, Iracing never really felt immersive to me. It looks so... Boring? Both while driving and while watching.
@@NoNamerMr You missed my point entirely, I wasn't saying ACC players should move to iRacing. I was saying if Kunos is aiming to include GT cars in ACE and make the physics the same or better than ACC, it makes no sense to continue developing ACC.
@@Erowens98 Yes I agree and I still love ACC. The thing is, right now ACE looks like it could be a successor to both AC and ACC, so why keep developing ACC? Especially when Kunos's new game engine has more potential than UE and is easier to work with.
We just need race room with lfm implemented and we are all set to go 😂
feels like a (big) step back :D
@@SimracingPopometer It has better graphics and physics than iRacing. The main argument people use against Raceroom is the same you brought up against AMS2: not enough people play it.
@@snippidippi raceroom has its own ranked and safety system built in. It peaked in 2020 and has fallen off from there. They never made it to the point of needing splits by pace, and their schedule has shrunk to about a 1/4 of what it used to be. LFM won’t bring much over what they already had and lost.
@@OldButVerySlow I wouldn't say its graphics are better. In fact for me it just crashed fairly constantly. It's using DX9...that's not the future of sim racing. Physics I agree with you on. But it has no weather system either. Shame, as I think it has one of the best car selections out there.
I think what we all really need is sebring, road america, corvette, aston martin 2025 and a BOP patch for ACC! I can read all this between the lines of what you all write
LMU is one of the modern sims with the biggest potential, and tbh, for the pricetag, I don't see people being hesitant with a valid reason. It's EA, but giving them the push with a purchase and enabling them to focus more on that project... that will work in the long term. For the cost iRacing expects you to pay.... Nah... Not an option. LMU is the best option for a reasonable budget.
I'm sure there are people supporting LMU. For sure. But honestly I think after its hype interest on it after that first surge dwindled. Its all been more bad news over bad news with the game. Milking people while still in Early Access, on a game that still has issues running properly, shrinking interest even more, and it was no wonder the latest news on it was bad again. I just think some people are clinging onto hopium at this point. Things are not looking good for LMU.
Sure it will have its audience and they will stick around, possibly enough to have races happening etc, but outside of those people I don't think the game will be as big as some wish it would be. And no amount of pushing from content creators will change this. There have been several channels saying "if you like sim racing you should support LMU to see it through"... For many this is a sound option. For others of us, yeah I don't have the time to be supporting every game out there especially with such a fierce competition. If I see things I dislike about a game, I am sorry but I am not going to support.
Game has dwindled in interest because it simply failed to give people things they wanted. That is all.
As for people saying "it will have/do/etc"... Yes, many of us really don't care what it might or might not do down the future. Its the result that counts. If they manage to make it an awesome game, then we will happily try it again.
Nils trying his hardest to act as if he has no clue what AC Evo will be about after being featured in the ADAC SimRacing Expo video while he was talking with the developers
🕵️♂️ ...
“GT3 gonna GT3.” -Empty Box
i doubt very much AC evo will be able to replace acc any time soon. i would be very surprised if we dont see more updates for acc next year. gt3 racing IRL changes every year. acc has been very profitable for kunos. you dont just shoot your golden egg
But Kunos paid a licensing fee to have access to the official content, cars and liveries.
Perhaps their current license has expired as one of the reasons to pick now to not further update ACC as they are not interested in paying the licensing fee for a renewal.
Not saying this is fact but makes sense as to putting up a solid no more updates stance on the title.
I will stick with ACC as one of my main sims right now alongside Raceroom. I think half of the problem with Raceroom is that it isn't marketed well enough. It had a shit ton of cars and tracks to choose from and it's free to play. That's the sim that got me into sim racing back when I was still in college. As for iRacing, I don't want to pay the regular price of ACC every month just to have basic access to iRacing.
I already left ACC half a year ago and was looking for something else. iRacing never really clicked with me, same for AMS2. LMU was a perfect fit, fun to drive and competitive opponents to race against. If LMU will not develop further I probably will stop simracing until something else catches my interest again.
Thank you for your video. For me, all depends on how AC Evo will be developped/bug free on the 16th of January.
If the game has enough content and not too much bug, so we have our answer.
I hope Kunos is aware of the situation you explained very well here. If they can deliver a good early access game on January, they have a lot of players to gain !
(and... sorry for my english !)
i disagree with the take on acc, its like saying f1 games problem is the lack of variety of car classes, honestly what i like about acc is the it is completely accurate to what series is emulating, if i want to play another class then i go to lmu or another sim
Lets clear this up - just because development has paused or stopped does not mean a game is dying. The user base will dictate that.
P.s. very enjoyable video.
Fingers crossed LMU gets bought by a sympathetic investor and continues to develop. It's actually the logical successor to ACC and lots of potential. Really looking forward to AMS2's 1.6 update but see it more as an offline experience
Also für mich als casual ACC Player, ist IRacing einfach zu teuer. Deshalb werd ich wohl ACC über LFM so lange fahren bis vllt etwas vergleichbares kommt. Denke die Pro‘s werden alle zu IRacing wechseln und die nur zum Spaß ab und zu Rennen haben wollen, bleiben vorerst bei ACC.
@MrDanielStr: 👍Vor allem Singleplayer/offline sind nicht bereit monatlich Servermiete zu bezahlen, wenn es doch eine Vielzahl an alternativen Sims gibt....
GT3's should have been the top priority for LMU. I really don't understand how they did not understand this.
they dont understand many things there at s397 development.
thats why only a few ppl play their games.
they have to stop from being annoying and realise whats count and whats not.
In a way I understand it, the hypercars are the star of the show in the WEC, that's what I want to see when I watch WEC. While SRO or DTM is where I go for GT stuff. And the only SRO-licensed game is being kicked to the curb...
It's a WEC game, and GT3s are dull compared to the hypercars.
@@Ho3n3rBut most people play GT3 so if they have startet with GT3 class they would have more paying players
Great video Nils, not just the negatives but the dilemma. Kunos will be crazy not to transition the ACC environment but imagine licensing and SRO have a greater say in that. Always surprised how little comes out of Kunos by way of plans?
I enjoy ACC, I love using VR. Yesterday I got back to LMU, and even though the VR element is not finished (by a long shot); I could see myself moving more of my time over to LMU. The graphics are great, the physics are great and very challenging in comparison to ACC (more nuanced and precise driving required) And super importantly for me, I get a lot more fps than ACC in VR at a higher graphical setting.
So it's a shame to hear the game is probably going to disappear.
FFB is also good imho
This was the video that had to be made and I appreciate your insight on the topic.
Personally I think ACC isn't going away quite as fast as people think and that is in big part due to LFM. As long as EVO doesn't have a stabilized GTx scene on LFM, there just isn't an alternative.
For me iRacing just feels too much of a money grab, where you constantly have to keep buying cars and tracks in order to compete in your favorite series.
AM2 driving from my limited experience just feels very floaty and drifty (in GT3 and Cup). The aero cars are fine, but I still don't see them taking over from the GT-crowd.
this vid came 10 days too early IMO. lets see whats his thoughts on 2025 simracing scene when he'll actually see in ~10 days if there is enough competition in current ACE build and how the community will react in AMS2 v1.6 (there is a lot of hype and expectations involved there for a long time and a significant investment that NEEDS to go well)
ACC player, and it's now almost impossible to find non-GT3 races in my timezone. Unless you want to run LFM GT3 dailies, the sim feels a little dead compared to this time 12 months ago.
Was hoping to switch to LMU in early/mid 2025, but until the MS Games debacle gets sorted I'm not going to spend my money on a sim that may never be completed.
AMS2 has a good car/track variety, but feels off still to me. iRacing is too specific (and expensive) and Rennsport is just dead on arrival.
At the moment, I'll stick with ACC and the occasional modded AC service. I'll wait and see what LMU and ACE are like in the next 6-9 months before making a call on where to switch.
It's a shame that RaceRoom isn't part of this conversation. Especially with the graphics update, it's become my favorite sim of late, especially in VR. Still waiting for AMS 1.6 and hoping the tire model finally becomes acceptable. AC is really showing its age even with mods, ACC fails utterly in VR, and LMU ....well, who knows what happens there.
I also thought the same, the racing experience in Raceroom is amazing.
Since I use OpenXR for my Reverb2 I have no issues with ACC, lateley I got a workaround to implement ACC Drive with OpenKneeboard to the VR and it works really great.
Please push LMU, it is so good!
League racing and LFM on original AC are plenty good enough for years to come (better than ACC in my opinion). Still hope AC Evo will deliver but we don't know yet.
Great unbiased analysis Nils, good job! I don't have an answer for e-sport/competitive sim racers at the moment or in the near future. Luckily we are still blessed with a ton of sims that offer a great driving experience for people who care more about the pure driving fun (like RF2, RBR, AC, Raceroom etc)
What has annoyed me since PC2 and what AMS2 has adopted without question is the absolutely horrible setup management. Limited to a maximum of 12 characters. It's also annoying that I can't use the same setup name for different cars. In addition, the setup is hidden in some weird “blockchain” so that you can't even get a single file.
So for me it remains an on/off game with more off than on phases.
LMU must stay, simply because it‘s good!
yeah, though it sometimes doesn't work out like it should
Lets see if LFM can bring life to AMS2 multiplayer
What I really don't understand is why the SRO is letting Kunos neglect ACC like that. Even as it is I'm going to stick to it as long as reasonably possible and I'd happily pay more for them to keep working on ACC and I doubt I'm alone with that.
But if and when it really "dies" I can't see myself committing to iRacing, so unless LMU somehow becomes a thing after all or AMS2 gets a healthy online scene, I'm probably just not going to sim race competitively and chill on Evo or compete on hotlap leaderboards on AMS2 or something.
I heard the working with SRO was more than difficult and really bound them to do things they didnt like. This is just what I hear, so dont take this as a source
The best refection on the current ACC situation out there. No drama for self justification of Game choice and shit. Well done. Danke vielmals! Grüße aus Hamburg
I think it's pretty simple... AC is going to get even more players for at least 12/18 months. 😊
Gran Turismo 4 and Forza Motorsport 4 emulated until Evo. iRacing I bought a year sub late 2020, bought my fave GT3 car and my two favorite tracks. Then learn no offline AI for the tracks or cars I was interested in and no chance to drive my fave car in online races anyways for probably a couple months. Damn.
But they won, they got the monies and i put maybe 20 hours into it. I wonder how many year subs they take where user does less than 20hrs 😅
I only started in ACC about 6 months ago, still got lots to discover in that sim (as a complete newbie in sim racing). I have downloaded LMU, but haven't done much with it, mainly because of the time spent in ACC. LMU would have been my main choice as an alternative to ACC...😢
No GT3 in LMU is currently holding me back to drive it more.
@@counterclockwise1162 i think when the whole GT3 field will release it will help LMU forward.
The base of the game is absolutely awesome, just needs more content.
I always end up back on iRacing. Nothing else has really ever hit the right buttons they way it does. It is not perfect. But there is an "x" factor to it that always pulls me back.
I think it's as addicting as it is repulsive. I find myself coming back to it from time to time (with excitement) but I stop shortly. Besides great multiplayer there's not enough value. The cars don't feel right to me. People say iRacing improves every year, but the tyres still feel shit and their marketing department never stops shilling
@yanushkowalsky1402 ...to be fair, shilling is the role of EVERY company's marketing department on the planet.😊
i will keep racing ACC until it dies... Hopefully it has a few good years left.
We know barely anything about AC EVO except a cheesy trailer that shows very little gameplay, let's not draw any conclusions until they reveal more/we can play the game
It's going to be playable at sim racing expo later this year
@@madburgerman878 I don't even consider these marketing stunts as useful information, so much changes in games between these early playable models and final releases. I don't judge a cake as it's halfway baked. Let them finish cooking, and when they release the game we'll be able to tell. Who knows, it might be the terrible gran turismo clone everyone seems to think it'll be, or it could be the best simracing game ever released. People are already trashing a game that doesn't exist purely based on speculation.
Never believe in the HYPE..
KUNOS ACE Will be guaranteed broken on release. It will probably take them a couple of years to sort out all the bugs and errors, with countless fixes and updates.. You've been warned.
Don't pre-order ! You will only be disappointed.. 👍
My chain of thought is that I'll be doing the same I've been doing for a little more (and that's ACC and AC) ... I thought about LMU but with the latest news it's a no go for me, so my gut feeling is that I'll stay with what I know until eventually Evo outgrows the others ... (and I still have ams2 just in case there's a boom there)
so WW3 and a sim racing crisis on top of that??
it was hard to imagine times could be more daring
All of these problems are PC exclusive. On console it is much worse as the pool of games is massively reduced on consoles. I think that it is a shame that consoles are continuing to be seemingly neglected by studios, and was my biggest problem with ACC. I think many games would release in a much healthier state and be in a much better position if they released all games from now on with crossplay on all platforms. Other types of games like call of duty and fortnight adopted crossplay in their games years ago, even F1 managed it, and that remains to this day, the only vaguely sim title to have proper functioning crossplay across the 3 major platforms and I don't think there is much of an excuse for it any more for sim racing, as especially with the model ACC adopted, it led myself as a console player to feel like I was only there to balance the books, and that I wouldn't get a chance to prove myself against the PC aliens, which is harder now more than ever since games are becoming more and more hardware intensive, the PC required to run a game on optimal settings nowadays are really expensive and really turns people like me away.
So yeah, in short summary, I think no matter how bad PC players think they have it, console players have it a lot worse, as the pool of games to choose from is not even half of that list you've just mentioned nils, and I also think crossplay should be a bare minimum requirement going forward for all games.
Love how he's completely ignoring Rennsport 😂👍
What I keep hearing from the community about R3E, that it's still on the old DX9, it doesn't have weather changes, no endurance races and no car swap. Even doe, R3E is my go to sim is, because I prefer the force feedback, physics, you can push the cars to its limit and when you make contact with another car you just don't spin out of control. The same thing with Le Mans Ultimate and rFactor2, when it comes to the feedback....I still play some iRacing, and enjoy playing it, plus they have the best infrastructure then any sims on market.
Not to sound negative, since ACC 1.9v update I played it a couple times, the 1.8v too me was the best one. The force feedback feel so numb to me I can't get a feel of what the car is doing especially with braking.
It seems the only way to survive is to use a subscription model...so with the limited range of LMU I would be more than happy to pay £2.99 a month as well as buying car and track packs. IMHO.
All of this is how iv been thinking for the last nearly 2 years. I do still have some confidence that LMU will survive, I just cant see a company not buying them. Companies invest in things all of the time so I dont see no one trying it with 397. Weather it works out or not is another thing but I do belive some one will try it.
I don't think ACC will face a mass exodus. Given all the options why would they? Change to something worse / they like less. Quit sim racing. Sit and wait for something new / better to come. All seems unlikely to me rather than just stick with a well established game and judge other opportunities as they come by.
i think they would be unwise to cease support of ACC, given that AC EVO is not intended to make the game completely redundant. In their place, I would seriously consider making a "demo version" if you will, with bmw m2s only, and I would also say that at least one GT4 car should be made available in the base game. I would also highly suggest an official partnership with LFM, and incorporating their system into the game client.