Have just installed infrared picture panels around the home, they heat a room up very fast 5-10mins and you can feel it all around the room on you. Also found the temp held up for hours after I switch a panel off longer than other heating I have tried. Everyone that has been round has been very impressed by them on the heat they give out and how good they look on the wall. These with my Solar hot water thermal system I have will save me loads and eco friendly. The addition of solar panels these would work great.
There was no mention of various ways infrared heaters (IRH) produce the heat and which is the best way. Carbon crystals are the best at present and not all IRH use that technology. So there are more than one type and there is one type which is better than others. A thing to remember before taking out the wallet.
If infra read heating heats mass, and bypasses air all together, why are we using the volume of the room to assess the wattage of the devices?? That doesn't make much sense... "The heaters don't heat the air" you said, but then "Use the volume of the room to find out how many watts you need." - Huh? Shouldn't we look at how cold the room gets, to see how many watts we need??
@@beatstours696969 but…. That doesn’t make sense and it’s not relevant to the volume of air calculation. It’s a directional Infra red heater. It heats whatever is in front. Nothing else. Volume of air has no business to be in the discussion…
@@TechdoLiberal the formula does *produce* a volume but I think it's really about the surface area and heat retention capabilities of the building materials - that's why the wattage only goes up in increments of 5w based on the house. If you were calculating for radiators I believe the w is about double what they're saying to use in this video, and the increments are much larger. Edit: just ran same calc on a radiator sizing site: new build 3x3 room comes out at 650w. So for sure the calc in this video is adjusted for ir panels. I too would have thought 9+9+9+9+9 (surface area -ceiling) x [some factor] would be how you'd calculate ir panels, it may just be that the maths is "good enough" at 3x3x3x20
@@jezlawrence720 ok let me ask in another way. If IR panels are directional, only heat what’s in front of them and bypass the air completely then they are not heating up any volume of air, but the mass of the objects in front of them, right? We shouldn’t be measuring volume of the room, but distance from the object to be heated and the panel. I have a 140 watt IR panel that the output can be barely felt at 40 cm distance. It does not matter if the panel is inside a 50 square feet room or 500 square feet. The output of the panel is the same, and the distance that the heat reaches is still the same regardless of the size of the room. This is all wrong and now I understand why the reviews online range from fantastic to absolute waste of money. People are looking at the total volume of the room, which makes no sense because the panels are never heating the entire room, just the space in front of them, and then they still under spec the panel. Well, at least now I know. A 140 watts ir panel seems to be an excellent leg/feet warmer to put under a desk, or, a cat warmer.
A heat pump is 400% efficient… ie every 1W of electricity produces 4W of heat. So about 4x cheaper to run than an IR heater. Came here to look at IR heating for outside where a heat pump doesn’t really work.
Hi there, Thanks for getting in touch! We recently posted a video dedicated to comparing heat pumps and electric heating which might be helpful - I'll link it below for you. If you're looking for an outdoor heating solution, we do offer a wide range of infrared patio heaters that are currently on sale on our website. If you'd like to find out more, please check out our buying guide - again linked below. For any further information, please don't hesitate to get in touch! Heat Pumps vs Electric Heating: th-cam.com/video/gVQfVMLCg68/w-d-xo.htmlsi=97TCXLvHW5jTzv19 Infrared Patio Heaters Buying Guide: th-cam.com/video/lQz7xuKd3vM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vYAjKHJjDkVawZdU Website: www.electricradiatorsdirect.co.uk/view-all-outdoor-heaters/ Thanks The ERD Team
Depends where the sensor is placed. If the sensor is heated directly by the IR radiation, then it will get hot very quickly and not give a useful measurement. The sensor/thermostat needs to be in the shadow, i.e. somewhat protected from the radiation so that it measures the air temperature.
Hi there, Thanks for your comment, we're happy you found our video helpful. At ERD, we work with a range of expert manufacturers. Ecostrad, Herschel and Technotherm are the standout specialists when it comes to infrared panels, offering expert infrared technology, smart, energy-saving control options and easy installation. We highly recommend any one of these manufacturers, however it's worth keeping in mind that selecting the right infrared heater for your space, entirely depends on your requirements. For more information, why not visit our website or contact one of our sales specialists on 0330 300 4444. Thank you! The ERD Team
Do panels of the same wattage differ by manufacturer, you say they are 100% efficient this suggest all 500w panels will give the same results is this correct?, that is can I just by the cheapest panel I can find.
All infrared panels, regardless of manufacturer, convert every watt of electricity drawn from the mains into usable heat, making them 100% efficient at point of use. It’s always worth noting that infrared panels with superior controllability, like a precision thermostat and 24/7 programming, will offer you greater scope over managing your energy usage and help slim down running costs. If you’re only concerned with heat output, then yes, infrared panels of the same wattage should offer similar results. If possible, always check out a product’s “heats up to” value, which will inform you how big of an area it can heat effectively.
Ceiling mounting is a big drama !!! Very difficult and ugly cable running along ceiling and wall,... and the thermostate is sticking out ugly from the wall socket.
Hi Rene. We’re sorry to hear you’re not pleased with the overall look of your infrared panel. Have you considered hardwiring? It’s a simple job for a qualified professional, and will give your heater a totally wireless look. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact our customer service hotline, who will be more than happy to help. www.electricradiatorsdirect.co.uk/contact-us/
Safe and natural form of heat but VERY INEFFICIENT. It is just resistive heating, the same as a standard radiator. Only 100% efficient as opposed to 300% to 400% for heat from a heat pump.
If you've got a spare 30K-50K (or more in many cases) sitting around to get your house up to snuff and then add an additional 10-20K for the heatpump system...heatpumps not viable for most people. Too invasive and way too costly. Not to mention the insane amount of problems people have trying to either keep their system running and/or finding someone available to service them. Reminds me of the big push for diesel automobiles... the gov't will be changing its tune down the road.
Not my experience Kevin. I had a multisplit system installed with one outside unit and five inside units (3 were dearer than they needed to be) for $A14,000 five years ago. No problems to date. It just heats or cools the room/s that I want it to when I want it to.
I am under the impression Heat Pumps work the same as gas system except that instead of a gas boiler as the source of the heat, the heat is from under the soil, that's fine, but surely that means all the inefficiencies, inconvenience, expense and pipe plumbing that you have in a gas system
Gas heating is 75% efficient, electric heating is 100% efficient and heat pump heating is 300% to 400% efficient. It's a no brainer really. I use infrared heating in my bathrooms where the heater is only used for a short period of time. Living areas and bedrooms are better heated with heat pumps. The only people who claim that infrared heaters (resistive heating) are efficient are those who sell them. The claim that they are 100% efficient sounds good until you realise that heat pumps are three or four times more efficient.
A brilliant video, explaining everything I wasn't sure about including how to size the infrared to the room. Superb job done. Thank you!!
Hi James,
Thank you for your wonderful feedback! We're glad you're finding our videos helpful.
The ERD Team
Have just installed infrared picture panels around the home, they heat a room up very fast 5-10mins and you can feel it all around the room on you. Also found the temp held up for hours after I switch a panel off longer than other heating I have tried. Everyone that has been round has been very impressed by them on the heat they give out and how good they look on the wall. These with my Solar hot water thermal system I have will save me loads and eco friendly. The addition of solar panels these would work great.
Which brand did you get?
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Pleased to add this is one video giving out the correct figures for radiator/room sizing i.e cubic metres not square metres most advise .
Thank you for making this.
There was no mention of various ways infrared heaters (IRH) produce the heat and which is the best way.
Carbon crystals are the best at present and not all IRH use that technology. So there are more than one type and there is one type which is better than others. A thing to remember before taking out the wallet.
If infra read heating heats mass, and bypasses air all together, why are we using the volume of the room to assess the wattage of the devices?? That doesn't make much sense... "The heaters don't heat the air" you said, but then "Use the volume of the room to find out how many watts you need." - Huh? Shouldn't we look at how cold the room gets, to see how many watts we need??
Cause the bigger the room the more mass there is to heat I'd imagine.
@@beatstours696969 but…. That doesn’t make sense and it’s not relevant to the volume of air calculation.
It’s a directional Infra red heater. It heats whatever is in front. Nothing else. Volume of air has no business to be in the discussion…
@@beatstours696969
@@TechdoLiberal the formula does *produce* a volume but I think it's really about the surface area and heat retention capabilities of the building materials - that's why the wattage only goes up in increments of 5w based on the house.
If you were calculating for radiators I believe the w is about double what they're saying to use in this video, and the increments are much larger.
Edit: just ran same calc on a radiator sizing site: new build 3x3 room comes out at 650w.
So for sure the calc in this video is adjusted for ir panels. I too would have thought 9+9+9+9+9 (surface area -ceiling) x [some factor] would be how you'd calculate ir panels, it may just be that the maths is "good enough" at 3x3x3x20
@@jezlawrence720 ok let me ask in another way. If IR panels are directional, only heat what’s in front of them and bypass the air completely then they are not heating up any volume of air, but the mass of the objects in front of them, right?
We shouldn’t be measuring volume of the room, but distance from the object to be heated and the panel.
I have a 140 watt IR panel that the output can be barely felt at 40 cm distance. It does not matter if the panel is inside a 50 square feet room or 500 square feet. The output of the panel is the same, and the distance that the heat reaches is still the same regardless of the size of the room.
This is all wrong and now I understand why the reviews online range from fantastic to absolute waste of money. People are looking at the total volume of the room, which makes no sense because the panels are never heating the entire room, just the space in front of them, and then they still under spec the panel.
Well, at least now I know. A 140 watts ir panel seems to be an excellent leg/feet warmer to put under a desk, or, a cat warmer.
A heat pump is 400% efficient… ie every 1W of electricity produces 4W of heat. So about 4x cheaper to run than an IR heater. Came here to look at IR heating for outside where a heat pump doesn’t really work.
Very correct
Hi there,
Thanks for getting in touch! We recently posted a video dedicated to comparing heat pumps and electric heating which might be helpful - I'll link it below for you. If you're looking for an outdoor heating solution, we do offer a wide range of infrared patio heaters that are currently on sale on our website. If you'd like to find out more, please check out our buying guide - again linked below.
For any further information, please don't hesitate to get in touch!
Heat Pumps vs Electric Heating: th-cam.com/video/gVQfVMLCg68/w-d-xo.htmlsi=97TCXLvHW5jTzv19
Infrared Patio Heaters Buying Guide: th-cam.com/video/lQz7xuKd3vM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vYAjKHJjDkVawZdU
Website: www.electricradiatorsdirect.co.uk/view-all-outdoor-heaters/
Thanks
The ERD Team
Are infrared panels approved by CE standards or another system of electrical equipment approval in respect of efficiency and safety?
Another question what temperature is measured by sensors in thermostat assuming air is not heated by panel?
None.
Depends where the sensor is placed. If the sensor is heated directly by the IR radiation, then it will get hot very quickly and not give a useful measurement. The sensor/thermostat needs to be in the shadow, i.e. somewhat protected from the radiation so that it measures the air temperature.
When they are turned off, do they / the room cool down instantly?
Great video. Do you recommend a specific manufacturer?
Hi there,
Thanks for your comment, we're happy you found our video helpful.
At ERD, we work with a range of expert manufacturers. Ecostrad, Herschel and Technotherm are the standout specialists when it comes to infrared panels, offering expert infrared technology, smart, energy-saving control options and easy installation.
We highly recommend any one of these manufacturers, however it's worth keeping in mind that selecting the right infrared heater for your space, entirely depends on your requirements.
For more information, why not visit our website or contact one of our sales specialists on 0330 300 4444.
Thank you!
The ERD Team
VERY clear - again rendered less intelligible by the irrelevant "music". Your bright and intelligent communication skills mean you don't need it.
oh a pretty nice lecture. 👧
i've bought one but gonna use it as a portable heater and put legs on it.
"It only heats the surface, not the volume of air in your room. Now calculate the volume of air your room to see what size you need."
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but those surfaces will heat the air eventually, so...
she could keep me warm in winter.. amirite!!
Do panels of the same wattage differ by manufacturer, you say they are 100% efficient this suggest all 500w panels will give the same results is this correct?, that is can I just by the cheapest panel I can find.
All infrared panels, regardless of manufacturer, convert every watt of electricity drawn from the mains into usable heat, making them 100% efficient at point of use. It’s always worth noting that infrared panels with superior controllability, like a precision thermostat and 24/7 programming, will offer you greater scope over managing your energy usage and help slim down running costs. If you’re only concerned with heat output, then yes, infrared panels of the same wattage should offer similar results. If possible, always check out a product’s “heats up to” value, which will inform you how big of an area it can heat effectively.
100% efficient sounds good but translates as inefficient. Heat pumps (minisplits) are between 300% and 400% efficient.
But you don't state wattage requirements for older homes
Yes they did. Do the equation
Ceiling mounting is a big drama !!! Very difficult and ugly cable running along ceiling and wall,... and the thermostate is sticking out ugly from the wall socket.
Hi Rene. We’re sorry to hear you’re not pleased with the overall look of your infrared panel. Have you considered hardwiring? It’s a simple job for a qualified professional, and will give your heater a totally wireless look. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact our customer service hotline, who will be more than happy to help.
www.electricradiatorsdirect.co.uk/contact-us/
Did she mention hot?
Speaking of hot....
Safe and natural form of heat but VERY INEFFICIENT. It is just resistive heating, the same as a standard radiator. Only 100% efficient as opposed to 300% to 400% for heat from a heat pump.
If you've got a spare 30K-50K (or more in many cases) sitting around to get your house up to snuff and then add an additional 10-20K for the heatpump system...heatpumps not viable for most people. Too invasive and way too costly. Not to mention the insane amount of problems people have trying to either keep their system running and/or finding someone available to service them. Reminds me of the big push for diesel automobiles... the gov't will be changing its tune down the road.
Not my experience Kevin. I had a multisplit system installed with one outside unit and five inside units (3 were dearer than they needed to be) for $A14,000 five years ago. No problems to date. It just heats or cools the room/s that I want it to when I want it to.
@@johnrogers1423 yes, minisplit systems are def the way to go - A2W systems are a mess
I am under the impression Heat Pumps work the same as gas system except that instead of a gas boiler as the source of the heat, the heat is from under the soil, that's fine, but surely that means all the inefficiencies, inconvenience, expense and pipe plumbing that you have in a gas system
Gas heating is 75% efficient, electric heating is 100% efficient and heat pump heating is 300% to 400% efficient. It's a no brainer really. I use infrared heating in my bathrooms where the heater is only used for a short period of time. Living areas and bedrooms are better heated with heat pumps. The only people who claim that infrared heaters (resistive heating) are efficient are those who sell them. The claim that they are 100% efficient sounds good until you realise that heat pumps are three or four times more efficient.
She looks like Meghan Markle
Terrible prices, sorry.