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They basically confirmed this. There is also two "empty" xplane slots that match up with a aircraft like that. GE also have information about the engine on there website for everyone to se. Even me that is not even in the us.
Because of things like negative static stability, the removal of stabilizers can actually mean increased maneuverability as long as the control authority from thrust vectoring is sufficient. Whether that’s actually true or not, I have no clue - the aerodynamic forces working on rudders and elevators provide a lot of maneuverability so it’s going to take a great vectoring setup to match it, but… not impossible.
That's what I was suspecting, stabilization has to come from somewhere. Fly by wire combined with thrust vectoring should make it even more stable and maneuverable. Once they get all the bugs worked out!
@@JustanotherconsumerI feel like it increases reactivity rather than maneuverability(turn rate wise). I mean, WWII fighter aircraft like the Spitfire and P51 are far more maneuverable than most supersonic fighters save for very specific technology demonstrators(and even then, it’s doubtful).
Yea maybe 40 years ago... Now we are just a full blown corporate oligarchy and freedom is just a buzz word republicans use to justify you not having healthcare... Dont get duped.
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
I didn't learn much (except about the engines of the F-22 vs F-15 & SR-72, but that part was confusing as well). However, I keep up on this subject and so not learning anything new is not a fair gage- this was a good, concise presentation of F-22 and NGAD for time used in the video. Not much new has come out on NGAD in years now.
That could even include plasma generators and of course electronic countermeasures. The active/reactive led skin WOULD pose problems for stealth coatings. If they had a material that could be grooved/patterned to absorb a broad array or em signals but seems highly limited.....a fractal etch design maybe?
When we look up at a plane passing over we almost always see it in a shadow. No matter what color the plane is painted it can appear as almost black even if it is white. Experiments have been done in the past that simply illuminated the under surface of a plane so the camo color of its belly showed instead of the shadow it was making. This can make a plane at a proper altitude appear invisible when viewed from the ground. It works similar to the way the "fill flash" of camera works to illuminate a back lit subject.
From what I've seen of the ongoing research, NGAD will improve marginally on current stealth tech. Perhaps they'll be using the new ceramics. However, the basic plan appears to be to just go so fast that nothing will be able to catch it. It's a proven strategy, Much of the PR talks about Mach 5. This thing will probably do at least M10 or perhaps M15. The recent breakthrough in rotating detonation engines, combined with the breakthroughs on mixed cycle design, will deliver an engine that will supercruise well above M5. Detonation shockwaves can reach up to 30 times the speed of sound, so the only clear limit is the material science behind the composites of the leading edges of the airframe. Which will likely heat up to the same temperatures as the shuttle when it re-entered the atmosphere. So, around 3,000 degrees at lower elevations. Obviously, for extremely high speed cruise legs, pilots will stick with high altitudes, maybe 70 - 80k feet or higher. But at lower elevations, if you're going above M5, you're glowing like a shooting star. There's no IR stealth that's going to hide you. But good luck trying to hit such a target. By the time a missile even gets to the NGAD's altitude, that thing is *gone*.
From a Congressional report: "There appears little reason to assume that NGAD is going to yield a plane the size that one person sits in and that goes out and dogfights kinetically, trying to outturn another plane-or that sensors and weapons have to be on the same aircraft. For example, a larger aircraft the size of a B-21 may not maneuver like a fighter, but that large an aircraft carrying a directed energy weapon, with multiple engines making substantial electrical power for that weapon, could ensure that no enemy flies in a large amount of airspace. That is air dominance." The NGAD tech demonstrator was apparently flying before 2020, since the program director said in an interview in 2020 it had already "broken records" without saying which records specifically. Exciting times for aerial combat nerds.
Its context for those who dont have the background knowledge to appreciate the actual story properly. Would you know how amazing the moon landing was without understanding how hard it is to get a rocket into space? what about manning it? what about orbital meetups? what about, what about, what about? it can sometimes be tiresome if you already know it, but the beauty of youtube is you can skip ahead.
We already have an aircraft using a pulse detonation type engine because I've seen it's contrail. This video states the F22's engines produced more power than the F15 and the SR71. Yet the F15 with a top speed of Mach 2.5 (some reports of Mach 2.9) and the SR71's top speed of Mach 3.3 (with reports of Mach 3.8) are both faster than the F22's top speed just over Mach 2. The USAF only has around 130 of the F22's ready to deploy and one of the drawbacks of this fighter is it's very limited range. The F35 has a little more range but not a significant amount. That suggests to me that these stealth jets will be serving in more of an attack role on ground targets during the initial strikes of a campaign rather than as a fighter where is carries limited weapons. It looks like the F15 will likely still be the fighter doing all of the heavy lifting.
Just a guess but I'm pretty sure that it's top speed is lower because of its RAM coating getting damaged. It's not a speed limit its a speed suggestion
Yes the F15 Eagle will soldier on and be a backbone to most missions. As for the Raptor, it may not be super fast, but it’s ability to supercruise is impressive.
I'm not sure I can wrap around my head the fact that the F-22's turbofan engines w/ full afterburners are more powerful than the SR-71 w/ its hybrid ramjet/turbo jet w/ afterburners. The SR-71 was over 90% titanium because at the top speed of Mach 3.3, the skin would get too hot from friction which would make aluminum go soft. Any insights?
I feel the F-22 will still be the best dogfighter in history. The NGAD will be a great BVR interceptor, but will rely on super maneuverable missiles (like the AIM-9X) for dogfighting (like the F-35). I wonder if the NGAD will even have a gun?
NGAD won't be as maneuverable as the F-22 and will have marginal improvement in speed and stealth. F-22 is currently planned to have sixth-generation avionics, so NGAD feels like a downgrade.
@@NationChosenByGodThe NGAD will not be a downgrade, super-manueverability will not be a priority for NGAD. NGAD will just have a couple of different design criteria. It'll improve on the best stealth fighter in the world (F-22), and the F-22 is fast enough. The NGAD will be just more efficient with more range, which the F-22 really needs. It's stealth technolgy will be the fighter equivelant of the new B-21 Raider.
With the new Raptor upgrades such as advanced radar, infra red targeting, networking collaboration, improved stealth coatings, expanded internal and external weapons bays, external STEALTH fuel tanks for much extended range and in-helmet pilot information and targeting the F-22 will once again be the TOP AIR PREDATOR. So yeah, "sensor fusion" to the max.
Maneuverability is define by the parameter of pitch, roll and yaw. The problem of flying wings or airplanes without tail rudder is the yaw control. F22 has all three parameter optimize with thrust vectoring. Therefore, it is a wait and see if the NGAD can exceed the basics or "the bar" of Maneuverability as set by the F22. Even the advantage of active flow control (reducing drag) and vortex generators (adding drag) will aid NGAD. Maybe NGAD can increase another factor of sixth generation jets such as speed, supercruise and range. It is a wait and see right now. However, do we have time since China has more weapons that knocks off of every weapon platform we have. (aircraft, ships, aircraft carriers, tanks, rifles and etc...).
The concept animation used for the NGAD fighter kinda reminds me of a blend between Monogram model kit for the Northrup/Loral "F-19A Specter" Stealth Fighter and the Lockheed/Martin "X-19 Raven" which Testors and Revell produced kits of. Perhaps there was some actual proof to those designs afterall? 🤔
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Because dogfighting is not much of a thing when fighters and weapons are designed to destroy enemy targets beyond visual range. 3d vectoring allows great airshow tricks that would reduce the speed of a fighter so much that it would be a sitting duck for enemies. Those nozzles are also not nearly as stealthy as Raptor nozzles. BTW: the few SU-57's that are in service will be getting new engines with 2D vectoring (currently being tested).
for stealth and maintenance. 3d thrust vectoring has extremely limited use cases, and even the russians, the only people who made 3d thrust vectoring on production aircraft, have moved away from it towards 2d as the benefits are greater.
Videos keep going on about laser weapons for aircraft. Right now, I say it's not possible for an aircraft to fire a laser to shoot down other aircraft. You need around a minimum of 100 kilowatts of power to affect something bigger than a drone. I don't think any fighter jet size aircraft can provide that kind of power.
It's already been done as far as auxiliary plasma flame generators. They can generate extreamly high voltages, just shunt it into supercap arrays and you lasers should stay happy!
Well so there's a couple of things I think you're missing in your theory. 1) 100kw of power isn't as much power as you think. My F150 hybrid pickup has a 35kw generator onboard to recharge its hybrid battery. It's a V6. If you think a couple of turbofan jet engines can't make a mere 100kw of power... you're mistaken 2) we've had MW level chemical lasers onboard aircraft since the early 2000s. Chemical Oxygen Iodine Lasers (COIL) were fielded on the YAL-1 testbed of weapons. ...megawatt level... let that sink in. 3) you don't need powerful lasers for some targeting systems. Targeting systems biased towards sensitive components or even the operator themselves can bring an aircraft down easily.
@@Justanotherconsumer If you have the accuracy, you could hit the axis for the rotors in the jet engine of the other plane. If you have time, hit them both. Both engines blow out, the other plane is done. Pilot should survive.
Laser weapons are not only possible but a reality. Its a mater of how small how strong and how much power can be fitted in an airframe's size and weight limits for effective useage. They require intense cooling systems as well.
Eh designed for different battlegrounds against different enemies, and to different things. If NGAD happens to find itself in a close-in turning fight with a Raptor it’s going to lose.
It does not have more powerful motors than SR-71. That small as a marble thing might be a myth. B-2 and F-117 would still have smaller radar returns. Unless there is a piece of equipment that makes up for F-22's shortcomings.
Nice! But, just a thought & depending on the NGAD, I can still see another major Raptor upgrade in the 2030s. Perhaps shared with our very closest allies, & spare them the time & high costs of their own 5th or 6th Gen programs….for now, I’ll call it…Raptor X capable of leading the way well into the 2040s.
The F-22 fighter jet took decades and almost $70 billion to develop. While it's been considered combat ready since 2005, the F-22 had never been used in combat until air strikes began in Syria this week and took down a chinese balloon. The F-22 fighter jet took decades and almost $70 billion to develop.
Sort of disappointing how everyone else was coming up with their own version of the F-22, which had only slightly different proportions/design cues. After Boeing and Lockheed submitted their proposals for the ngad fighter, it now seems that shape is heavily influencing all those that have yet to build even a 5th gen jet. Just saw Rafales' proposal and sans levcons used on the Su-57, it looks almost identical to the ngad. Same goes for China, and their newly unidentified rudder less stealth fighter but then, that's sort of expected. I think US contractors should played this one a little closer to the chest.
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
The same thing will happen to this as it happened to the raptor. The government will say they want 700 of them as set price and then cut the program to fund things we don't want and then wonder why the price went up.
Do you really think the US is gonna bring its best stealth fighter and show of its actual radar signature to the world so they can all copy it? That kind of shit is mega top secret. They coat the planes with a totally different paint for demos than they do the actual combat units...
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
It’s highly interesting that you mentioned the Phantom name, because I’ve thought for a long while that the name for AF NGAD should consider Phantom III, along with several other names.
Ummmmm, ngad is already operational skunkworks in partnership with Darpa and another aerospace company, which I chose not to list, but it can not be tracked by any radar
Frank Kendall said that NGAD needs to have twice the operational radius of the F35 at the same cost as the F35. This is because China has developed ultra-long-range anti-aircraft missiles that can target tankers. The weapon bay can be the same size as the F35 because the CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) carries the missiles. The US Navy also needs a fighter with twice the operational radius of the FA18. Stealth is the lowest requirement for carrier-based aircraft because the weapon bay is difficult to install and remove missiles. The new design of GCAP meets the requirements of both the US Air Force and the US Navy. The US Navy needs twin-engine aircraft. Let's work with Boeing to get the US Air Force and US Navy on board. Lockheed Martin could create a revised NGAD by enlarging the wings and fuel tanks of the F-35. Fighters would have to visually identify friendly targets with broken identification friend or foe systems before firing a missile. If missile launches were left to the Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA), there would be no need for a weapons bay, reducing manufacturing and maintenance costs.
The amount of power the engines give is higher than the SR-71, at lower speeds, but since turbofan engines loose a lot of power at higher speeds, the SR-71 can travel faster
I wonder if this NGAD fighter will carry the Mutant Morphing Missile? That is an evil sounding name but, there is a missile entering testing that can change its shape during flight to chase down planes or other missiles.
I hope you give most of that money back because thats way more than you need to live comfortably. As the Apostles said if you have food and clothing you should be content.
Im not the final word but i just don't see a tactical fighter without rear stabilizers , i think they could be re configured to be stabilizers and maybe elevators and rudders please tell me someone else's has this idea too i have a idea and am trying to bring it to market for civilization use , but military is where it should be, hay what do i know are there any in use yet please let me know:)
My guess is some kind of air brake at the trailing edges of the wing can act as a rudder in high demand situations but I am also very skeptical about it not having vertical stabilizers...
Raptor’s speed is limited by its stealth coating, as brining it off would mean it’s more visible (but still stealthier than the F-15). It has better aerodynamics and more thrust than any F-15, meaning its actual top speed would exceed that of the Eagle
The F22 hasn't been tested, perhaps it never will. But on paper, it's not just the best 5th generation fighter ever produced, it's the best fighter in any class. On paper. In DCS, it is unstoppable.
your calculations on the power of the f-22 and f-15 are so wrong, each produces 35,000lbs at max power in the f-22 which totals to 70,000lbs. f-15 has two engine variants. one produces 60,000 per airplane in both engines combined or about 50,000 per airplane in both combined
The Raptor still has to point its nose at whatever it is firing at. The F35 does not. The latest Russian SU-57 can supposedly cruise at mach 2. If that is true then the F-22 and the F-35 are going to wind up getting run over. Cannot have the 6th gen soon enough.
How can you get run over by something you see long before they may see you. You would have too be completely derelict of duty f'n that one up. The SU -57 is still a paper Tiger. It hasnt done a lot in reality compared with what it says it does on its spec sheet and its not very Stealthy at all.
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"From the Alpha to the Omega Quaderants" Ok I got to be the Pedantic one here. They have designated the 4 Quarters of the Milky Way in Star Trek Lore as the ALpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma Quaderants, NO OMEGA! Look I get that you need sponsorship but if this is the sales pitch they want you too say tell them to do their homework on the basics as its makes me doubt the games quality if they can't get what should be basic lore correct in an add.
We will find out how good the F-22 is when it meets the SU-57 over Ukraine, not forgetting that in 1991 an "invisible" F-117 was blown out of the sky by a Soviet SA-3 given to the Serbs by Russia in 1963, after the incident the Serbs sent a message to the US Air Force saying "Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible".
lol shooting down a plane….one of many that didn’t get shot down…..is the highlight of the country still. It’s pitiful. Especially the “we didn’t know it was invisible” overused quote 😂. Get some new material. It’s been decades
There will be a navy version based on the same sort of took kit currently named F/AXX. That will probally be exported. But unlike F35, the navy version that probobly will have the same sensors, fusion and engine, will have a totaly diffrent airframe and wing. So it seams like it will be sort of a F15-F18 kind of deal, possibly with more shared component. There will also be a airforce drone fighter. Its roomured to have one engine, possibly with a maned version. So that will basicallt be like a F16. There is a supricing amount of public info about the engine they are going to use, there is even pictures of it (or possibly a mock up). The engine is alreddy built and ready to be used (actually since a few years back). Its a varible duct engine that can change the compression and flow in the core of the engine. This alows it to run much faster as well as run more leanly at low speed. With a possibly fuel saving of about 20% at mach 0.9. A other benefit is that the engine is moreneffective at higher altitudes (as well as having more powet) alowes it to cruise at very high altitude at close to mach 2 with dry thrust. This will probobly cut down on the supersonic fuel consumption as well, but I have seen no numbers.
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
The reason why lockheed execs and shareholders all have $100m yachts. Dont blame europe for Americans not standing up to American greed, congress and the Military industrial complex.
Yet the eagle is faster and has longer range than the raptor? It feels like another type of replacement of the Buff type story but the NGAD is pretty impressive like merging the f-35 with the 22 and 15
Higher top speed and ferry range, perhaps, but things like super cruise mean that the technically slower technically shorter range raptor can go farther more quickly in actual operations.
The eagle is faster for a short period of afterburner. The raptor being able to super-cruise means it keeps going and outruns without running out of fuel.
@@antarcticmonkeys No, no, no. In the long run, the Raptor's supercruise will win over the Eagle which is true, but once the Raptor hit its classified speed, I can damn guarantee you that the Raptor is faster than the Eagle in a vertical climb or chasing another aircraft. And they lied to you about the F-119 engine being a regular turbofan engine when it is actually a rocket turboramjet or air turborocket engine. The F-135 derived from the F-119 engine to 'SOME' degree, used on the F-35, cannot match the true thrust of the F-119 engine used on the Raptor.
The War in Ukraine has busted many of these technological "myths". One can overcome nearly any technological advantage with superior numbers or firepower
The F 22 Raptor has no equal on this planet! It is the best jet fighter of all time ever built, superior to all other countries fighters by light years !! . I think they should have canceled or postponed F35 production to the future and invested in the F22 Raptor even though it was much more expensive to manufacture. The F35 wasn't that cheap in the end either
@Justanotherconsumer You’re forgetting that upgrades and modernization programs exist. If we were smart we could have kept it modern for years to come (not to mention that cancelling the production drastically increased the per unit cost: if we had made more, the price of flight hours, maintenance, and per unit costs would have been dramatically lower)
Sorry - but this is quite idiotic. I am basically arguing and debating since a long time, against the fallacies which have been repeated in this video. Sure - the F-22 is great. But it is especially great, if you are considering, what era it has been deployed (and developed). The F135 engine of the F-35 is even stronger than one jet of the Raptor. Also stop to use Vmax (maximum speed), which is the biggest fallacy in the game - or 2D thrust vectoring (it doesn’t matter how many D’s - and a) dogfights are a thing of the past - and b) even in WVR, the augmented flight controls are far more important than stealth. Sensor fusion (...) is also important - but ithe F-22 is not second to none - but second to the F-35’s system. And nobody is using anymore a cannon. All the focus of the video is wrong. It is not totally false information, but it is very misrepresenting! Also - the shape will unlikely eclipse the Raptor (or the F-35). Sure - the advance in technology will help it, to be maneuverable DESPITE its shape - however the reason, why it is shaped how it is: *stealth & efficiency* - not maneuverability. Yeah NGAD will redefine the aviation - but not in far better kinematics etc. but in its role / strategic capabilities. l The NGAD will also not be revolutionary in VLO - that is preposterous - it will be evolutionary (probably as or beyond the B-21 and the F-35 easier to maintain and more robust RAM). Also - the avionics will be also an evolution - there is no feasible revolution in this area. Not sure about directed energy weapons... while I was pretty positive about it - there hasn’t been any news about any further developments. “And: even” autonomous drones? Of course it will have drone integration, which will be one of the significant hallmarks in the design. Oh shocker: at this point, it is not sanctioned that the NGAD is the 6th generation. Look NGAD is program (it is a group of technologies, not only fighter jets), which should especially solve the shortcomings of current capabilities in the South China Sea. Especially too short ranges of F-22 and F-35 - and vulnerabilities of aviation infrastructure like AWACS and air refuel tankers. It is not a direct “successor of the F-22” and it will be not a replacement at all of the F-35. Probably numbers of the fighter platforms (USAF and USN) will be rather small - because they will be extremely expensive. They will probably also be quite large - for the moment, at least one of the concepts look (in all concept designs) around the size of the F-22 - but given, that it should also carry standoff weapons internally (which are relatively big), and because it has to carry more fuel, NGAD has to be significantly bigger (I would assume similar to the F-111). I would expect a bit better research and little less sensationalism in the video. It is quite ignorant of a lot of clues...
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My guess is some version of this is already flying and people think they're UFOs.
They basically confirmed this. There is also two "empty" xplane slots that match up with a aircraft like that.
GE also have information about the engine on there website for everyone to se. Even me that is not even in the us.
Exactly you sure got that rite
Having no vertical stabilizers does not enhance manuverability in any way, but stealth yes
Because of things like negative static stability, the removal of stabilizers can actually mean increased maneuverability as long as the control authority from thrust vectoring is sufficient.
Whether that’s actually true or not, I have no clue - the aerodynamic forces working on rudders and elevators provide a lot of maneuverability so it’s going to take a great vectoring setup to match it, but… not impossible.
That's what I was suspecting, stabilization has to come from somewhere. Fly by wire combined with thrust vectoring should make it even more stable and maneuverable. Once they get all the bugs worked out!
@@JustanotherconsumerI feel like it increases reactivity rather than maneuverability(turn rate wise). I mean, WWII fighter aircraft like the Spitfire and P51 are far more maneuverable than most supersonic fighters save for very specific technology demonstrators(and even then, it’s doubtful).
Stop, you don't know what your talking about.
Active airflow control and or retractable control surfaces for dog fighting. NGAD and FA/XX will be revolutionary.
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For that to happen an adequate resourceful population is needed. So, no, that is not going to be
Yea maybe 40 years ago... Now we are just a full blown corporate oligarchy and freedom is just a buzz word republicans use to justify you not having healthcare... Dont get duped.
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
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I didn't learn much (except about the engines of the F-22 vs F-15 & SR-72, but that part was confusing as well). However, I keep up on this subject and so not learning anything new is not a fair gage- this was a good, concise presentation of F-22 and NGAD for time used in the video.
Not much new has come out on NGAD in years now.
The F-22 worlds greatest fighter and alls it has shot down was balloons. 😂
Its funny but its a beautiful thing because it shows we are in peaceful times.
@@CrossWindsPat you mean were but not anymore.
That's right! I forgot that we had free health care before the F-22 was created!
we had free health care wow im 57 never knew this
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I was going to say the same thing sir and I got damn fucking sponsor plugs is longer then John Holmes...
Personally, I think the NGAD will have "active stealth" not only in radiation (radar), but visual and IR as well.
Visual stealth can be as simple as the right paint scheme, so… almost a given.
@@Justanotherconsumerwhat if it has an LED panel to match the blue/gray of the sky, or to be switched off to match the dark sky
That could even include plasma generators and of course electronic countermeasures.
The active/reactive led skin WOULD pose problems for stealth coatings. If they had a material that could be grooved/patterned to absorb a broad array or em signals but seems highly limited.....a fractal etch design maybe?
When we look up at a plane passing over we almost always see it in a shadow. No matter what color the plane is painted it can appear as almost black even if it is white. Experiments have been done in the past that simply illuminated the under surface of a plane so the camo color of its belly showed instead of the shadow it was making. This can make a plane at a proper altitude appear invisible when viewed from the ground. It works similar to the way the "fill flash" of camera works to illuminate a back lit subject.
From what I've seen of the ongoing research, NGAD will improve marginally on current stealth tech. Perhaps they'll be using the new ceramics.
However, the basic plan appears to be to just go so fast that nothing will be able to catch it.
It's a proven strategy,
Much of the PR talks about Mach 5. This thing will probably do at least M10 or perhaps M15. The recent breakthrough in rotating detonation engines, combined with the breakthroughs on mixed cycle design, will deliver an engine that will supercruise well above M5. Detonation shockwaves can reach up to 30 times the speed of sound, so the only clear limit is the material science behind the composites of the leading edges of the airframe.
Which will likely heat up to the same temperatures as the shuttle when it re-entered the atmosphere. So, around 3,000 degrees at lower elevations. Obviously, for extremely high speed cruise legs, pilots will stick with high altitudes, maybe 70 - 80k feet or higher.
But at lower elevations, if you're going above M5, you're glowing like a shooting star. There's no IR stealth that's going to hide you.
But good luck trying to hit such a target. By the time a missile even gets to the NGAD's altitude, that thing is *gone*.
From a Congressional report: "There appears little reason to assume that NGAD is going to yield a plane the size that one person sits in and that goes out and dogfights kinetically, trying to outturn another plane-or that sensors and weapons have to be on the same aircraft.
For example, a larger aircraft the size of a B-21 may not maneuver like a fighter, but that large an aircraft carrying a directed energy weapon, with multiple engines making substantial electrical power for that weapon, could ensure that no enemy flies in a large amount of airspace. That is air dominance."
The NGAD tech demonstrator was apparently flying before 2020, since the program director said in an interview in 2020 it had already "broken records" without saying which records specifically. Exciting times for aerial combat nerds.
Thanks for commenting, and I agree - it’s an exciting time in aviation!
It could be any type of record. It could even be design or process based records. We assume its flight based, when it may not be.
What about the new cloaking device the Military has,for tanks ,plane and automobiles😮
Why do these kind of videos always give a history lesson? I don’t give a buck about it!
I am here to watch new things, exciting, and how they work!
Its context for those who dont have the background knowledge to appreciate the actual story properly. Would you know how amazing the moon landing was without understanding how hard it is to get a rocket into space? what about manning it? what about orbital meetups? what about, what about, what about? it can sometimes be tiresome if you already know it, but the beauty of youtube is you can skip ahead.
@@bleachorange alright, that makes sense. I differently didn’t think about there is a need for the context to understand why it is cool.
It can carry 26,000 lb of fuel if that’s where you got that number, the engines have 35,000 lb of thrust each
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We already have an aircraft using a pulse detonation type engine because I've seen it's contrail. This video states the F22's engines produced more power than the F15 and the SR71. Yet the F15 with a top speed of Mach 2.5 (some reports of Mach 2.9) and the SR71's top speed of Mach 3.3 (with reports of Mach 3.8) are both faster than the F22's top speed just over Mach 2. The USAF only has around 130 of the F22's ready to deploy and one of the drawbacks of this fighter is it's very limited range. The F35 has a little more range but not a significant amount. That suggests to me that these stealth jets will be serving in more of an attack role on ground targets during the initial strikes of a campaign rather than as a fighter where is carries limited weapons. It looks like the F15 will likely still be the fighter doing all of the heavy lifting.
Its funny that we are chasing range and speed when we had it 30 years ago with the yf-23. In a stealthier package no less...
Just a guess but I'm pretty sure that it's top speed is lower because of its RAM coating getting damaged. It's not a speed limit its a speed suggestion
Yes the F15 Eagle will soldier on and be a backbone to most missions. As for the Raptor, it may not be super fast, but it’s ability to supercruise is impressive.
I'm not sure I can wrap around my head the fact that the F-22's turbofan engines w/ full afterburners are more powerful than the SR-71 w/ its hybrid ramjet/turbo jet w/ afterburners. The SR-71 was over 90% titanium because at the top speed of Mach 3.3, the skin would get too hot from friction which would make aluminum go soft. Any insights?
I feel the F-22 will still be the best dogfighter in history. The NGAD will be a great BVR interceptor, but will rely on super maneuverable missiles (like the AIM-9X) for dogfighting (like the F-35). I wonder if the NGAD will even have a gun?
Well the airforce version of NGAD is meant to be a high speed penetrator able to operate deep in contested airspace, it likely wont have a cannon.
The pilot will be so unarmed they likely won’t even have a proper sword!
NGAD won't be as maneuverable as the F-22 and will have marginal improvement in speed and stealth. F-22 is currently planned to have sixth-generation avionics, so NGAD feels like a downgrade.
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@@NationChosenByGodThe NGAD will not be a downgrade, super-manueverability will not be a priority for NGAD. NGAD will just have a couple of different design criteria. It'll improve on the best stealth fighter in the world (F-22), and the F-22 is fast enough. The NGAD will be just more efficient with more range, which the F-22 really needs. It's stealth technolgy will be the fighter equivelant of the new B-21 Raider.
With the new Raptor upgrades such as advanced radar, infra red targeting, networking collaboration, improved stealth coatings, expanded internal and external weapons bays, external STEALTH fuel tanks for much extended range and in-helmet pilot information and targeting the F-22 will once again be the TOP AIR PREDATOR. So yeah, "sensor fusion" to the max.
Maneuverability is define by the parameter of pitch, roll and yaw. The problem of flying wings or airplanes without tail rudder is the yaw control. F22 has all three parameter optimize with thrust vectoring. Therefore, it is a wait and see if the NGAD can exceed the basics or "the bar" of Maneuverability as set by the F22. Even the advantage of active flow control (reducing drag) and vortex generators (adding drag) will aid NGAD. Maybe NGAD can increase another factor of sixth generation jets such as speed, supercruise and range. It is a wait and see right now. However, do we have time since China has more weapons that knocks off of every weapon platform we have. (aircraft, ships, aircraft carriers, tanks, rifles and etc...).
Fighter aircraft that changed all the rules: Me-262, F-15, F-117, F-22.
And soon probably the NGAD.
B2, B-21
@@larryc1616 Not yet on the B-21, but soon.
It'll probably have stabilizers that are flush with the body but popup when needed.
The concept animation used for the NGAD fighter kinda reminds me of a blend between Monogram model kit for the Northrup/Loral "F-19A Specter" Stealth Fighter and the Lockheed/Martin "X-19 Raven" which Testors and Revell produced kits of. Perhaps there was some actual proof to those designs afterall? 🤔
Its all this military expenditure that keeps the US from having what other 1st world and even some developing countries offer their citizens. I hope everyone loves the cost of their "freedom"
I like the trust comparison.
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Why only 2d thrust vectoring? Why not 3d ?? Doesn't seem like it would be a big deal to make the nozzles work on a 360 degree plane?
That would be a lot harder.
Also weight/length/maintenance considerations.
Because dogfighting is not much of a thing when fighters and weapons are designed to destroy enemy targets beyond visual range. 3d vectoring allows great airshow tricks that would reduce the speed of a fighter so much that it would be a sitting duck for enemies. Those nozzles are also not nearly as stealthy as Raptor nozzles. BTW: the few SU-57's that are in service will be getting new engines with 2D vectoring (currently being tested).
for stealth and maintenance. 3d thrust vectoring has extremely limited use cases, and even the russians, the only people who made 3d thrust vectoring on production aircraft, have moved away from it towards 2d as the benefits are greater.
F-22 balloon destroyer.
Fucking insane and didn’t they lose a F-35 for a day or two ?
Whoops, I did see this yesterday.
I didn't ?
@@bigmike9128 That's a question?
Videos keep going on about laser weapons for aircraft. Right now, I say it's not possible for an aircraft to fire a laser to shoot down other aircraft. You need around a minimum of 100 kilowatts of power to affect something bigger than a drone. I don't think any fighter jet size aircraft can provide that kind of power.
Just have to hit the right spot.
It's already been done as far as auxiliary plasma flame generators. They can generate extreamly high voltages, just shunt it into supercap arrays and you lasers should stay happy!
Well so there's a couple of things I think you're missing in your theory.
1) 100kw of power isn't as much power as you think. My F150 hybrid pickup has a 35kw generator onboard to recharge its hybrid battery. It's a V6. If you think a couple of turbofan jet engines can't make a mere 100kw of power... you're mistaken
2) we've had MW level chemical lasers onboard aircraft since the early 2000s. Chemical Oxygen Iodine Lasers (COIL) were fielded on the YAL-1 testbed of weapons. ...megawatt level... let that sink in.
3) you don't need powerful lasers for some targeting systems. Targeting systems biased towards sensitive components or even the operator themselves can bring an aircraft down easily.
@@Justanotherconsumer If you have the accuracy, you could hit the axis for the rotors in the jet engine of the other plane.
If you have time, hit them both. Both engines blow out, the other plane is done. Pilot should survive.
Laser weapons are not only possible but a reality. Its a mater of how small how strong and how much power can be fitted in an airframe's size and weight limits for effective useage. They require intense cooling systems as well.
Eh designed for different battlegrounds against different enemies, and to different things.
If NGAD happens to find itself in a close-in turning fight with a Raptor it’s going to lose.
It does not have more powerful motors than SR-71. That small as a marble thing might be a myth. B-2 and F-117 would still have smaller radar returns. Unless there is a piece of equipment that makes up for F-22's shortcomings.
more powerful can be quantified in many ways.
He loves to "fluff" things up for the masses lol.
Nice! But, just a thought & depending on the NGAD, I can still see another major Raptor upgrade in the 2030s. Perhaps shared with our very closest allies, & spare them the time & high costs of their own 5th or 6th Gen programs….for now, I’ll call it…Raptor X capable of leading the way well into the 2040s.
The F-22 fighter jet took decades and almost $70 billion to develop. While it's been considered combat ready since 2005, the F-22 had never been used in combat until air strikes began in Syria this week and took down a chinese balloon. The F-22 fighter jet took decades and almost $70 billion to develop.
As revolutionary and game-changing NGAD is...
I wonder what comes next?😮
You’ll never see a fighter without a full glass windscreen UNLESS it’s a drone. When/if your 360 cameras go down a pilot must see 360.
Sort of disappointing how everyone else was coming up with their own version of the F-22, which had only slightly different proportions/design cues. After Boeing and Lockheed submitted their proposals for the ngad fighter, it now seems that shape is heavily influencing all those that have yet to build even a 5th gen jet. Just saw Rafales' proposal and sans levcons used on the Su-57, it looks almost identical to the ngad. Same goes for China, and their newly unidentified rudder less stealth fighter but then, that's sort of expected. I think US contractors should played this one a little closer to the chest.
Great video, as always.
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
Kinda crazy that the F-35 is available to nearly any ally, but we wouldn't sell the F-22 even to the Five Eyes group. Japan was the ideal customer.
The same thing will happen to this as it happened to the raptor. The government will say they want 700 of them as set price and then cut the program to fund things we don't want and then wonder why the price went up.
Then why can the griphen.Detect it if it is so great.
Do you really think the US is gonna bring its best stealth fighter and show of its actual radar signature to the world so they can all copy it? That kind of shit is mega top secret. They coat the planes with a totally different paint for demos than they do the actual combat units...
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I thought the raptors engines had 35,000 lb of thrust each
Correct
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
Awesome video
It’s highly interesting that you mentioned the Phantom name, because I’ve thought for a long while that the name for AF NGAD should consider Phantom III, along with several other names.
I would LOVE for the NGAD to be named Phantom III - that would be amazing, and in my opinion appropriate.
Good sharing 😊
Ummmmm, ngad is already operational skunkworks in partnership with Darpa and another aerospace company, which I chose not to list, but it can not be tracked by any radar
NGAD(mq-28a,yf-23a).
Frank Kendall said that NGAD needs to have twice the operational radius of the F35 at the same cost as the F35. This is because China has developed ultra-long-range anti-aircraft missiles that can target tankers. The weapon bay can be the same size as the F35 because the CCA (Collaborative Combat Aircraft) carries the missiles.
The US Navy also needs a fighter with twice the operational radius of the FA18. Stealth is the lowest requirement for carrier-based aircraft because the weapon bay is difficult to install and remove missiles.
The new design of GCAP meets the requirements of both the US Air Force and the US Navy. The US Navy needs twin-engine aircraft.
Let's work with Boeing to get the US Air Force and US Navy on board.
Lockheed Martin could create a revised NGAD by enlarging the wings and fuel tanks of the F-35.
Fighters would have to visually identify friendly targets with broken identification friend or foe systems before firing a missile.
If missile launches were left to the Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA), there would be no need for a weapons bay, reducing manufacturing and maintenance costs.
The amount of power the engines give is higher than the SR-71, at lower speeds, but since turbofan engines loose a lot of power at higher speeds, the SR-71 can travel faster
I wonder if this NGAD fighter will carry the Mutant Morphing Missile? That is an evil sounding name but, there is a missile entering testing that can change its shape during flight to chase down planes or other missiles.
Both effective at shooting down spy balloons, detecting those spy balloons is an entirely different issue!
I hope you give most of that money back because thats way more than you need to live comfortably. As the Apostles said if you have food and clothing you should be content.
F22 is being upgraded, instead of investing in NGAD.
The Raptor will retire a starved bird without a single bite of meat
It did clap some balloon cheeks, don't forget
Balloons have a little meat. Gotta get em before they migrate though.😁
I can start to hear LHC "kid" voice start demanding to intercept something.
It still completed its mission by being a deterrent.
Im not the final word but i just don't see a tactical fighter without rear stabilizers , i think they could be re configured to be stabilizers and maybe elevators and rudders please tell me someone else's has this idea too i have a idea and am trying to bring it to market for civilization use , but military is where it should be, hay what do i know are there any in use yet please let me know:)
My guess is some kind of air brake at the trailing edges of the wing can act as a rudder in high demand situations but I am also very skeptical about it not having vertical stabilizers...
The F-15 is still the most badass jet ever it's top speed is 1900 mph and the F-22 top speed is 1500 mph
Raptor’s speed is limited by its stealth coating, as brining it off would mean it’s more visible (but still stealthier than the F-15).
It has better aerodynamics and more thrust than any F-15, meaning its actual top speed would exceed that of the Eagle
Really nice video bro
this plane didn't see any war, but the bragging won't stop
Valid. But also valid is that when you have something leaps and bounds ahead of others, it's more of a deterrent than a weapon
The yf23 was better has greater range speed and stealth.
Remember your phone 30 years ago? It s a raptor
Is it just me or does the NGAD model look a bit like the F-19?
For the overly long embedded commercial: thumb down. Either stop that or shorten it.
Best fighter in the sky that never seen real combat 😅
I still think about the problems fixing such flying jewelry boxes in the field.
The F22 hasn't been tested, perhaps it never will. But on paper, it's not just the best 5th generation fighter ever produced, it's the best fighter in any class.
On paper.
In DCS, it is unstoppable.
Stealth is not invisibility. Just harder to see. Maybe nigh invisible.
Just look at our space force!
The world is defenseless against it!
I think from other jets at certain distance it would be visually invisible based on the shape but not from the ground.
Its a beautiful machine
Looks like a new tech lawn dart
your calculations on the power of the f-22 and f-15 are so wrong, each produces 35,000lbs at max power in the f-22 which totals to 70,000lbs. f-15 has two engine variants. one produces 60,000 per airplane in both engines combined or about 50,000 per airplane in both combined
Yeah the new champ is KIZILELMA
The Raptor still has to point its nose at whatever it is firing at. The F35 does not. The latest Russian SU-57 can supposedly cruise at mach 2. If that is true then the F-22 and the F-35 are going to wind up getting run over. Cannot have the 6th gen soon enough.
How can you get run over by something you see long before they may see you. You would have too be completely derelict of duty f'n that one up. The SU -57 is still a paper Tiger. It hasnt done a lot in reality compared with what it says it does on its spec sheet and its not very Stealthy at all.
WOW to the WOWEE WHAT A BEAUTY WAS THAT THE SAME JET USED IN THE MOVIE TOP GUNN? BTW HOW CLOSE IS SKUNK WORKS TO INVENTING A NUCLEAR ☢️ POWERED JET ENGINE? HOWEVER IF IT GETS SHOT DOWN OR BLOWN OUT OF THE SKY THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS A NUCLEAR ☢️ BOMB CORRECT??
what F-?? is the NGAD, please?
I cannot wait to see what these programs bring us. It screams Murica!!!!
"From the Alpha to the Omega Quaderants" Ok I got to be the Pedantic one here. They have designated the 4 Quarters of the Milky Way in Star Trek Lore as the ALpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma Quaderants, NO OMEGA! Look I get that you need sponsorship but if this is the sales pitch they want you too say tell them to do their homework on the basics as its makes me doubt the games quality if they can't get what should be basic lore correct in an add.
We will find out how good the F-22 is when it meets the SU-57 over Ukraine, not forgetting that in 1991 an "invisible" F-117 was blown out of the sky by a Soviet SA-3 given to the Serbs by Russia in 1963, after the incident the Serbs sent a message to the US Air Force saying "Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible".
😂 which of the 5 SU-57s will they be sending.
Putin on his burner account
lol shooting down a plane….one of many that didn’t get shot down…..is the highlight of the country still. It’s pitiful. Especially the “we didn’t know it was invisible” overused quote 😂. Get some new material. It’s been decades
Will this be exported or for US only?
US Only.
@@FloridaManMatty thanks
There will be a navy version based on the same sort of took kit currently named F/AXX. That will probally be exported.
But unlike F35, the navy version that probobly will have the same sensors, fusion and engine, will have a totaly diffrent airframe and wing.
So it seams like it will be sort of a F15-F18 kind of deal, possibly with more shared component.
There will also be a airforce drone fighter. Its roomured to have one engine, possibly with a maned version. So that will basicallt be like a F16.
There is a supricing amount of public info about the engine they are going to use, there is even pictures of it (or possibly a mock up).
The engine is alreddy built and ready to be used (actually since a few years back). Its a varible duct engine that can change the compression and flow in the core of the engine. This alows it to run much faster as well as run more leanly at low speed. With a possibly fuel saving of about 20% at mach 0.9.
A other benefit is that the engine is moreneffective at higher altitudes (as well as having more powet) alowes it to cruise at very high altitude at close to mach 2 with dry thrust. This will probobly cut down on the supersonic fuel consumption as well, but I have seen no numbers.
US only.
It's F 35 for everyone else (unless they have their own designs)
We can see many USA´s so called "champions" being wiped out in Ukraine- Patriots, HIMARS, Abrams and so on... all are high price and low usability in real combat- all was made for profit ..., usable against enemies in sandals, never against modern strong army...
I should make a video about nothing too
The F-22 Raptor: The reason we don’t have free healthcare
The reason why lockheed execs and shareholders all have $100m yachts.
Dont blame europe for Americans not standing up to American greed, congress and the Military industrial complex.
True but, and this is picky but important, no such thing as free Healthcare. Someone pays for it. At some point.
Free but you'll die waiting for a transplant....
Free? Hahahaha! You meant to say "hidden cost" health care.. IF you get the care you need.
OP, you are clueless dude. Our budget allows them to free up cash for their healthcare
Yet the eagle is faster and has longer range than the raptor? It feels like another type of replacement of the Buff type story but the NGAD is pretty impressive like merging the f-35 with the 22 and 15
Higher top speed and ferry range, perhaps, but things like super cruise mean that the technically slower technically shorter range raptor can go farther more quickly in actual operations.
Raptor speed is classified, but the Raptor max speed is faster than the F-15.
The eagle is faster for a short period of afterburner. The raptor being able to
super-cruise means it keeps going and outruns without running out of fuel.
@@antarcticmonkeys No, no, no. In the long run, the Raptor's supercruise will win over the Eagle which is true, but once the Raptor hit its classified speed, I can damn guarantee you that the Raptor is faster than the Eagle in a vertical climb or chasing another aircraft. And they lied to you about the F-119 engine being a regular turbofan engine when it is actually a rocket turboramjet or air turborocket engine. The F-135 derived from the F-119 engine to 'SOME' degree, used on the F-35, cannot match the true thrust of the F-119 engine used on the Raptor.
That stealth don't do no good.if the griphen can pick it up the enemy will figure this out .
NGAD (lockheed F-23).
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The War in Ukraine has busted many of these technological "myths". One can overcome nearly any technological advantage with superior numbers or firepower
raplacement?
*the other NGAD animation is better*
they still plan to waste money building another unnecessary fighter, but it will have a human pilot?
Nothing new here and no new info here. Just a reason to get clicks
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This narration is pretty low quality. The endless and excessive use of superlatives and metaphors just delays getting to the point. Speak clearly!
The F 22 Raptor has no equal on this planet! It is the best jet fighter of all time ever built, superior to all other countries fighters by light years !! . I think they should have canceled or postponed F35 production to the future and invested in the F22 Raptor even though it was much more expensive to manufacture. The F35 wasn't that cheap in the end either
F22 was ‘80’s technology. Good, but easily superseded with decades of advancements, especially in computing power.
@Justanotherconsumer
You’re forgetting that upgrades and modernization programs exist. If we were smart we could have kept it modern for years to come (not to mention that cancelling the production drastically increased the per unit cost: if we had made more, the price of flight hours, maintenance, and per unit costs would have been dramatically lower)
zero upward or rearward visibility... good luck in a dog fight
Ummm I don't think either vendor will choose that retarded cockpit
Sorry - but this is quite idiotic. I am basically arguing and debating since a long time, against the fallacies which have been repeated in this video.
Sure - the F-22 is great. But it is especially great, if you are considering, what era it has been deployed (and developed).
The F135 engine of the F-35 is even stronger than one jet of the Raptor.
Also stop to use Vmax (maximum speed), which is the biggest fallacy in the game - or 2D thrust vectoring (it doesn’t matter how many D’s - and a) dogfights are a thing of the past - and b) even in WVR, the augmented flight controls are far more important than stealth. Sensor fusion (...) is also important - but ithe F-22 is not second to none - but second to the F-35’s system.
And nobody is using anymore a cannon.
All the focus of the video is wrong. It is not totally false information, but it is very misrepresenting!
Also - the shape will unlikely eclipse the Raptor (or the F-35). Sure - the advance in technology will help it, to be maneuverable DESPITE its shape - however the reason, why it is shaped how it is: *stealth & efficiency* - not maneuverability.
Yeah NGAD will redefine the aviation - but not in far better kinematics etc. but in its role / strategic capabilities. l
The NGAD will also not be revolutionary in VLO - that is preposterous - it will be evolutionary (probably as or beyond the B-21 and the F-35 easier to maintain and more robust RAM). Also - the avionics will be also an evolution - there is no feasible revolution in this area. Not sure about directed energy weapons... while I was pretty positive about it - there hasn’t been any news about any further developments. “And: even” autonomous drones? Of course it will have drone integration, which will be one of the significant hallmarks in the design.
Oh shocker: at this point, it is not sanctioned that the NGAD is the 6th generation.
Look NGAD is program (it is a group of technologies, not only fighter jets), which should especially solve the shortcomings of current capabilities in the South China Sea. Especially too short ranges of F-22 and F-35 - and vulnerabilities of aviation infrastructure like AWACS and air refuel tankers. It is not a direct “successor of the F-22” and it will be not a replacement at all of the F-35. Probably numbers of the fighter platforms (USAF and USN) will be rather small - because they will be extremely expensive. They will probably also be quite large - for the moment, at least one of the concepts look (in all concept designs) around the size of the F-22 - but given, that it should also carry standoff weapons internally (which are relatively big), and because it has to carry more fuel, NGAD has to be significantly bigger (I would assume similar to the F-111).
I would expect a bit better research and little less sensationalism in the video. It is quite ignorant of a lot of clues...
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You lost me with your Star Trek Fleet Command ad. I gave up Star Trek in 1979. Don't bore me with an ad!
So call Champion..? But doesnt test in combat.. hahaha... Best... F22 only kill list.. spy baloon .. aka weather ballon.. haha