It's true legendary rank is really something else...but the problem is that a lot of players even struggle to just climb up to master so they can enjoy legend rank :3 diam is a nightmare sometimes it's unplayable, full of trolls and weak players. So yeah...there is also this issue bro...
If a player cannot reach master then they don’t rly deserve to play legendary ranked anyways imo since it’s a competitive mode and 15 percent of the player base are master
@@talanwr I disagree. If the system really works, then the low-quality players will stay at the bottom and the better ones will rise. This is regardless of what rank regular queue has access to Legendary queue.
Legendary might be a good option for high elo players, and I'm glad some of you are teaming up to try it. But most players are in the emerald - diamond range, so this won't help the majority of us. Climbing out of that range on solo q is a nightmare. I went from plat 4 to emerald 1 in about 40 games, but then I started getting impossible teams. I don't mind playing AGAINST good players, but when I get a diamond teammate who goes 0-10 in ten minutes, what can I do? It's horrible and toxic.
Really interesting topic. Below Master, I never understand how I’m matched with players at level 30-40 who showed zero macro and zero champion mastery, but they still manage to achieve Diamond rank somehow, while my enemies are all above level 100-150. I mean why matching someone playing less than 50 games versus someone playing more than 200 games 😂 But when I play Legendary rank, it does feel like it’s more competitive, people know how to trade in lanes, attend objectives, how to itemise etc, it’s just so different 😅
This explains a lot, I've been hard stuck plat on WR for the past two weeks and I've just started playing on PC. I've noticed how my plat/ emerald WR teammates have worse macro management than my iron PC teammates and we would lose games even when we have a good advantage in gold/ buffs/ kills
I used to be a 1% player according to the ingame stats and loved legendary queue. Now, I lost all my skill or something, or just have a bad attitude, and can’t get to Masters anymore. I just can’t care enough about this game. It’s too late for them to fix it.
There’s only one way to fix it. Make it complete random based on rank. That’s it. Any manipulation of the matchmaking will create horrible inconsistencies
@ yes. Remove MMR conpketely, stop trying to average the teams out, and only matchmaking based on visible rank. What’s ruining matchmaking is the non randomness of it. The shit algorithm that tries to give everyone 50% winrate
I was baffled when I found out ranked didn't work that way. Why would you bother to have ranks if it doesn't matter at all when it comes to matchmaking???
One of the more annoying things about this topic, is that when we say “matchmaking” we all know what we are talking about, but the riot devs have some particular code they wrote and named it “matchmaking” and so only think about whatever that particular random code is, ignoring what we are actually talking about.
talan you are underrated wildrift youtuber dedicated on playing wildrift i hope riot sees your hardwork here. I hope they incentivise you or make collaborations with you just as like what they do here in Philippines bro
Riot has all of the information to improved games yet they refuse to use it OR simplify it. -The ranks matched are wayyyyy too wide -They have a fixation on 50% win rate -Premades have an immediate advantage -Rigged matches just compound the issue -Autofill is the wackest "mechanic" Hugest issue, IMO, is player education. There is little to no incentive to play the game properly. MVP feels like it's based on "Biggest number", SVP is merely a participation award. Even in Master/Legenday people still think it's fine to not pick any frontline in the face of a team with "classic" comp (and wouldn't you know it, as an ADC it's generally my team with no frontline). If you can't land basic skills, you shouldn't even be able to "climb" full stop.
Another thing that impacted Legendary Ranked bad this season is removing Galio’s Aegis. This greatly increased the amount of games you need to grind to climb back to Master even if you’re challenger+ level, especially for people like me who can only play at most 3 ranked games a day, so people had way less time to play legendary ranked this season than last season. I also agree with you that the community needs to emphasize that your normal rank is meaningless. I have actually ran into an account that never went above Master in Normal Ranked but hit Legend and played like a beast.
İ just played some legendary ranked my team had 3 sovereign players (im master 2) and the enemy had just low master players. all 3 of those sovereigns started inting the jinx (sovereign) had less gold than braum and he had around 11k matches on that account the matchmaking just wants to fuck me up after the 11 win streak which i carried all those matches with inters in my team every game
As I said this will only be an issue in the beginning because the mm is based on you legend q rank so once everyone plays the mode a bit they will be given a proper rank and the games will be balanced
You know what, I'll take you up on this offer and I'll play legend rank, especially next season. I do disagree with you on only masters being able to play legend queue being good. I think the rank requirement should be emerald because it will boost player size and cause players to care more about that game mode. Legend ranked is supposed be unforgiving imo so the bad players will be hard stuck. Plus, since it's an LP system players should feel better about ranked since it's rewarding, thus they will play better. This is such a good suggestion because I've been getting teams that like 0/8+ each and I can't carry despite getting 100% ratings, most damage, distracting majority of the enemy team, getting majority of the enemy ults and summoners, getting pretty much all of the towers, nearly killing most of the enemy team by myself, all while having 2+ enemies constantly babysitting me or having the enemy send a death squad against me. 😤 Sorry for the rant, really need to let it all out.
If I can climb to master and prove my skill, I would absolutely love to participate solely in this to improve matchmaking as a whole. I would 100% be committed. Time to lock in.
I ran into a matchmaking problem when I came back to wild rift. Once I reached diamond with a 60 percent win rate, I started having a really big losing streak. And the losing streak ended with exactly on 50% win rate.
Honestly if you can’t solo to your own rank you might not be that rank… grouped players ruin the game they are not even good and lack basic map knowledge.. when they go solo games they always int/troll or lack at their lane :]
I would like to play a lot More of legendary but it has so much downsides right now. It takes so much to find q game and lobbys are awful. Even Challenger players in this mode are either boosted or just dont take the game mode seriously at all. You end un having games as bad as normal ranked but with ti me restrictions and way longer que times, the higher you climb even higher timers.
Hey Talan so I don’t fully agree or relate to this method of matchmaking since I have qued in legendary ranked and had a full team of masters while my opposing enemy team was grandmasters and challengers. I am masters 20 marks so is it because of my skill level or is it the system? Edit: I’m not saying that this method doesn’t work because obviously it does work
I explained in the video why this happens. Legendary ranked match makes based on your legendary rank not your regular rank. So if we actually play this mode then the good master players will reach higher ranks than the bad gm and challs. For the beginning since everyone is the same rank games will be unbalanced but thats a temporary issue
@@talanwr and because gains get negative only in immortal and above its very hard to really seperate the skilled players from the inflated ones, reaching legend takes skill but even in immortal games there will always be a few players that just spam a lot of games, we need more people to play lq and they need to nerf lp gains a bit, atz least keeping ppl with negative winrate in low vanq
Dude, the regular pvp is scuffed. lol I've been trying to learn new characters, and i keep getting 3 irons against 3 emeralds & 2 plats. I literally just went on a 17-game lose streak just trying to learn new characters. (Not to mention the enemies add you just to message you and tell you to uninstall & ff irl) 😅😂😂
Im just going to play legendary ranked from now on this is it. Last game In master rank 3 autofills on my team including me me 54.8%winrate , my team all negative winrate except support who isn't autofilled but has winrate of 50.6% , enemy team all their main roles 53.5+ winrate all of them. My team somehow ended in master just spamming thousands of games Balanced .. I almost quit the game forever, how is that competitive? It's a team game I can't 1v9 every game especially when autofilled
Yes, please go play legendary rank and leave us that still learn the regular rank and stop destroying us. I hate being an emerald fighting against fucking masters and beat the shit out of us within 10 minutes. Just once I managed to beat a team of 36th server rank and I think because they thought it will be easy, they were cocky and that was once in a lifetime situation. Btw, thank you and all other content creators. I managed to reach diamond this season after over 400 games lol for the first time. Playing this game since season 11 never got higher than emerald 2.
Has anyone else played against platinum players who are going like 20/0 I wander if they are just these sovereign players playing for fun Kinda bad if others are trying to climb though
@blaze56701 I’ve started doing what Talan did: climbing on each role, my main acc is support, so I created a second acc to learn mid, and yes I’ve been spamming Syndra and goes 15-20 kills per game, but doing this actually reminds me to have fun in the game which I don’t feel like anymore in my main acc 😂
Another big matchmaking issue: autofill balance. My games consistently have imbalanced amounts of autofilled players on each team, especially Master+. I just had a game with 4 autofilled players vs 0 autofilled. It’s also the biggest issue with queuing as a support main and have to have autofilled players carry. This was also a huge issue on PC that just got acknowledged by Riot but they clearly haven’t fixed this issue in Wild Rift.
0:25 "The Solution is to play legendary ranked". Absolutely clueless take. Hold that L man. Legendary is locked behind Master rank. So your solution to a horrible ranked experience is to *checks notes* play hundreds of games in said horrible ranked experience to hopefully unlock legendary ranked? Do you work for riot or something? Dumbest chain of logic I've heard in a bit.
If ur not able to get to master in a short amount of time then u should be playing the casual mode aka ranked. Also this is literally the best solution, the options r either play more ranked or play some ranked and then a better mode. Idk how u say my logic is flawed but then fail to see that lol
Imo legendary q has yes better game quality and is more competitive ( last time i played it was shortly after legend q release tho) but i think the majority of the playerbase aint that competitive like most of the streamers and just wants to play with their friends and maybe try to reach high rank. Thats just my opinion and i could be wrong but the fact that legend q is dead tells us enough. I wont play legend q because the q times are too long and i find wild rift highly unfun without friends to play it with. Also i agree that challanger feels more rewarding and has more prestige than legend i even find sov rank not as prestigeus as challanger. But maybe you guys can make i work and have fun good luck. (This comment is NO sarcasm and i didnt intend to make anyone fury about my opinion)
I agree with a lot of what u said for sure! Ppl complain about matchmaking so frequently that I want to try rly hard to make legendary ranked work and if ppl prove that they don’t care about legendary ranked, then I will tell them to stfu whenever they complain about matchmaking. Basically I want to promote this so ppl stop having an excuse
It's true legendary rank is really something else...but the problem is that a lot of players even struggle to just climb up to master so they can enjoy legend rank :3 diam is a nightmare sometimes it's unplayable, full of trolls and weak players. So yeah...there is also this issue bro...
Yeah diamond is full of 48% wr 500+ matches bots
If a player cannot reach master then they don’t rly deserve to play legendary ranked anyways imo since it’s a competitive mode and 15 percent of the player base are master
@@talanwr I disagree. If the system really works, then the low-quality players will stay at the bottom and the better ones will rise. This is regardless of what rank regular queue has access to Legendary queue.
legendary q needs diamond elo entry back
the master elo entry makes sense foe the bigger population of china
If u can't climb to master how TF u consider urself to be better player?😂@@seangen
Legendary might be a good option for high elo players, and I'm glad some of you are teaming up to try it. But most players are in the emerald - diamond range, so this won't help the majority of us. Climbing out of that range on solo q is a nightmare. I went from plat 4 to emerald 1 in about 40 games, but then I started getting impossible teams. I don't mind playing AGAINST good players, but when I get a diamond teammate who goes 0-10 in ten minutes, what can I do? It's horrible and toxic.
Ye for low elo it can be tough still definitely
So your solution isn't a solution at all. @@talanwr
Why wven waste your time with this video?
Really interesting topic. Below Master, I never understand how I’m matched with players at level 30-40 who showed zero macro and zero champion mastery, but they still manage to achieve Diamond rank somehow, while my enemies are all above level 100-150. I mean why matching someone playing less than 50 games versus someone playing more than 200 games 😂 But when I play Legendary rank, it does feel like it’s more competitive, people know how to trade in lanes, attend objectives, how to itemise etc, it’s just so different 😅
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was thinking this lol I thought Riot just hated me 😅😂
@ haha sometimes I wonder if I got bots but checked their profiles, they’re real people 😂 it’s just a super inflated system tbh 😂
This explains a lot, I've been hard stuck plat on WR for the past two weeks and I've just started playing on PC. I've noticed how my plat/ emerald WR teammates have worse macro management than my iron PC teammates and we would lose games even when we have a good advantage in gold/ buffs/ kills
Bro plat is lowest rank in WR. Iron to gold are just full of Riot bots
I used to be a 1% player according to the ingame stats and loved legendary queue. Now, I lost all my skill or something, or just have a bad attitude, and can’t get to Masters anymore. I just can’t care enough about this game. It’s too late for them to fix it.
There’s only one way to fix it.
Make it complete random based on rank. That’s it. Any manipulation of the matchmaking will create horrible inconsistencies
Do u mean make matchmaking based solely on visible rank or wdym?
@ yes. Remove MMR conpketely, stop trying to average the teams out, and only matchmaking based on visible rank. What’s ruining matchmaking is the non randomness of it. The shit algorithm that tries to give everyone 50% winrate
I was baffled when I found out ranked didn't work that way. Why would you bother to have ranks if it doesn't matter at all when it comes to matchmaking???
Or place high MMR vs. low MMR. Better players are bound to rank this way.
@myrixy if u do that low mmr players would be able to climb to higher ranks more easily
One of the more annoying things about this topic, is that when we say “matchmaking” we all know what we are talking about, but the riot devs have some particular code they wrote and named it “matchmaking” and so only think about whatever that particular random code is, ignoring what we are actually talking about.
talan you are underrated wildrift youtuber dedicated on playing wildrift i hope riot sees your hardwork here. I hope they incentivise you or make collaborations with you just as like what they do here in Philippines bro
Thx!
The issue with legendary ranked is that it's locked behind a certain time and you can't access it whenever you want :\
It’s a 12 hour time period that’s pretty long
Riot has all of the information to improved games yet they refuse to use it OR simplify it.
-The ranks matched are wayyyyy too wide
-They have a fixation on 50% win rate
-Premades have an immediate advantage
-Rigged matches just compound the issue
-Autofill is the wackest "mechanic"
Hugest issue, IMO, is player education. There is little to no incentive to play the game properly. MVP feels like it's based on "Biggest number", SVP is merely a participation award. Even in Master/Legenday people still think it's fine to not pick any frontline in the face of a team with "classic" comp (and wouldn't you know it, as an ADC it's generally my team with no frontline).
If you can't land basic skills, you shouldn't even be able to "climb" full stop.
Another thing that impacted Legendary Ranked bad this season is removing Galio’s Aegis. This greatly increased the amount of games you need to grind to climb back to Master even if you’re challenger+ level, especially for people like me who can only play at most 3 ranked games a day, so people had way less time to play legendary ranked this season than last season.
I also agree with you that the community needs to emphasize that your normal rank is meaningless. I have actually ran into an account that never went above Master in Normal Ranked but hit Legend and played like a beast.
I made a vid explaining why I dislike galios aegis but it’s true that it makes climbing faster
i think riot should also make soverign rank give skin, this will insentivise the imagine of legend queue more prestige resulting in more players
They should make legend give skins not sovereign
@@talanwr true
@@talanwr and the higher your rank in legendary queue, the more skin argument you get.
İ just played some legendary ranked my team had 3 sovereign players (im master 2) and the enemy had just low master players. all 3 of those sovereigns started inting the jinx (sovereign) had less gold than braum and he had around 11k matches on that account the matchmaking just wants to fuck me up after the 11 win streak which i carried all those matches with inters in my team every game
As I said this will only be an issue in the beginning because the mm is based on you legend q rank so once everyone plays the mode a bit they will be given a proper rank and the games will be balanced
The stats based matchmaking is the worst thing imo. Had someone on my team go 1/23 yesterday which is absurd
Ye agreed
You know what, I'll take you up on this offer and I'll play legend rank, especially next season. I do disagree with you on only masters being able to play legend queue being good. I think the rank requirement should be emerald because it will boost player size and cause players to care more about that game mode. Legend ranked is supposed be unforgiving imo so the bad players will be hard stuck. Plus, since it's an LP system players should feel better about ranked since it's rewarding, thus they will play better.
This is such a good suggestion because I've been getting teams that like 0/8+ each and I can't carry despite getting 100% ratings, most damage, distracting majority of the enemy team, getting majority of the enemy ults and summoners, getting pretty much all of the towers, nearly killing most of the enemy team by myself, all while having 2+ enemies constantly babysitting me or having the enemy send a death squad against me. 😤
Sorry for the rant, really need to let it all out.
Ur good welcome to lq!
Talan you lied to me! I've had the worst experience so far with legend queue. Jk sort of, I'll stick with it.
@@RagaIlOk-jn2ln I explained in the video why It will be unbalanced at the start, the only way to fix this is for players to commit to it for a bit
If I can climb to master and prove my skill, I would absolutely love to participate solely in this to improve matchmaking as a whole. I would 100% be committed. Time to lock in.
W!
I ran into a matchmaking problem when I came back to wild rift. Once I reached diamond with a 60 percent win rate, I started having a really big losing streak. And the losing streak ended with exactly on 50% win rate.
Thats sad man... and im clearly not surprised by it, I heard countless scories like that
Rip
Honestly if you can’t solo to your own rank you might not be that rank… grouped players ruin the game they are not even good and lack basic map knowledge.. when they go solo games they always int/troll or lack at their lane :]
Or they can add flex ranked like in pc so people who are boosted can group there and not ruin other games
Flex ranked is regular ranked rn and legend q is just normal pc ranked. Ppl just don’t realize it
@ legend q is still filled up with boosted players tho.. they get boosted to masters and wait only for legend q
@@michaeel6331i noticed this; boosted challenger players talking down to masters while the challengers perform worse and blame it on masters
Do you ever build bork on kaisa?
Not rly but it’s not bad into heartsteel champs
I would like to play a lot More of legendary but it has so much downsides right now. It takes so much to find q game and lobbys are awful. Even Challenger players in this mode are either boosted or just dont take the game mode seriously at all. You end un having games as bad as normal ranked but with ti me restrictions and way longer que times, the higher you climb even higher timers.
That’s why next szn we r trying to change these things by promoting it as content creators but it will only work if ppl follow us into legend q
Aah, i remember can reach vanquisher and become top 200 leaderboard. But stuck at master lmao
Rip
Hey Talan so I don’t fully agree or relate to this method of matchmaking since I have qued in legendary ranked and had a full team of masters while my opposing enemy team was grandmasters and challengers. I am masters 20 marks so is it because of my skill level or is it the system?
Edit: I’m not saying that this method doesn’t work because obviously it does work
Then what are u trying to say, u just wrote it doesn't work but then an the end u said it does work lmaoo
I explained in the video why this happens. Legendary ranked match makes based on your legendary rank not your regular rank. So if we actually play this mode then the good master players will reach higher ranks than the bad gm and challs. For the beginning since everyone is the same rank games will be unbalanced but thats a temporary issue
@@talanwr and because gains get negative only in immortal and above its very hard to really seperate the skilled players from the inflated ones, reaching legend takes skill but even in immortal games there will always be a few players that just spam a lot of games, we need more people to play lq and they need to nerf lp gains a bit, atz least keeping ppl with negative winrate in low vanq
what elo would be consider high elo?
Depends on who u ask, for me I only consider chall and sovereign high elo
Dude, the regular pvp is scuffed. lol I've been trying to learn new characters, and i keep getting 3 irons against 3 emeralds & 2 plats. I literally just went on a 17-game lose streak just trying to learn new characters. (Not to mention the enemies add you just to message you and tell you to uninstall & ff irl) 😅😂😂
PvP matchmaking does not take into account ranked at all so it makes sense that it would not be balanced
I want but in hardstuck plat so i can't go to legendary Q
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I wish this actually picks up and makes people q up LQ I've tried to in SEA server only to get 1hr que times with no games
Yea hopefully this works
Legendary rank queue time takes awhile
We can fix that by getting everyone to play it
Im just going to play legendary ranked from now on this is it.
Last game
In master rank
3 autofills on my team including me me 54.8%winrate , my team all negative winrate except support who isn't autofilled but has winrate of 50.6% , enemy team all their main roles 53.5+ winrate all of them. My team somehow ended in master just spamming thousands of games
Balanced ..
I almost quit the game forever, how is that competitive? It's a team game I can't 1v9 every game especially when autofilled
This is why we grind legendary ranked (:
I’m def a GM peak hardstuck scrub. I cannot get past 55 points man! Will spam legend Que once I get challenger
W and gl with chall
LEGENDARY Q PROPAGANDA YES SIR
YESSSS
Yes, please go play legendary rank and leave us that still learn the regular rank and stop destroying us. I hate being an emerald fighting against fucking masters and beat the shit out of us within 10 minutes. Just once I managed to beat a team of 36th server rank and I think because they thought it will be easy, they were cocky and that was once in a lifetime situation.
Btw, thank you and all other content creators. I managed to reach diamond this season after over 400 games lol for the first time. Playing this game since season 11 never got higher than emerald 2.
Congrats on diamond!
NA legendary q ladder kinda sus, top players all from same guild HuT
That’s why we will change that haha
@ the HuT players prob win trading huh?
@ we should petition for na server entry be at least diamond
master too high for our small community
@@WildRift-b4k that would be nice
Thank you 😊
Np
@talanwr happy new year ❤️🎊❤️
Has anyone else played against platinum players who are going like 20/0 I wander if they are just these sovereign players playing for fun
Kinda bad if others are trying to climb though
Probably Smurfs
@blaze56701 I’ve started doing what Talan did: climbing on each role, my main acc is support, so I created a second acc to learn mid, and yes I’ve been spamming Syndra and goes 15-20 kills per game, but doing this actually reminds me to have fun in the game which I don’t feel like anymore in my main acc 😂
@@phipham5407 fairs
Another big matchmaking issue: autofill balance. My games consistently have imbalanced amounts of autofilled players on each team, especially Master+. I just had a game with 4 autofilled players vs 0 autofilled. It’s also the biggest issue with queuing as a support main and have to have autofilled players carry. This was also a huge issue on PC that just got acknowledged by Riot but they clearly haven’t fixed this issue in Wild Rift.
I feel like the autofill issue is hard because the player base is so small
@@talanwr Yeah this is not really a problem on the Chinese server.
0:25 "The Solution is to play legendary ranked".
Absolutely clueless take. Hold that L man.
Legendary is locked behind Master rank. So your solution to a horrible ranked experience is to *checks notes* play hundreds of games in said horrible ranked experience to hopefully unlock legendary ranked?
Do you work for riot or something? Dumbest chain of logic I've heard in a bit.
If ur not able to get to master in a short amount of time then u should be playing the casual mode aka ranked. Also this is literally the best solution, the options r either play more ranked or play some ranked and then a better mode. Idk how u say my logic is flawed but then fail to see that lol
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Imo legendary q has yes better game quality and is more competitive ( last time i played it was shortly after legend q release tho) but i think the majority of the playerbase aint that competitive like most of the streamers and just wants to play with their friends and maybe try to reach high rank. Thats just my opinion and i could be wrong but the fact that legend q is dead tells us enough. I wont play legend q because the q times are too long and i find wild rift highly unfun without friends to play it with. Also i agree that challanger feels more rewarding and has more prestige than legend i even find sov rank not as prestigeus as challanger. But maybe you guys can make i work and have fun good luck.
(This comment is NO sarcasm and i didnt intend to make anyone fury about my opinion)
I agree with a lot of what u said for sure! Ppl complain about matchmaking so frequently that I want to try rly hard to make legendary ranked work and if ppl prove that they don’t care about legendary ranked, then I will tell them to stfu whenever they complain about matchmaking. Basically I want to promote this so ppl stop having an excuse
I wish you the best of luck with that task! Gl hf in the rift! @@talanwr
Honestly this game should just be deleted. Trash trash trash. Matchmaking is so bad. Enemies can easily snowball. Just really really bad.
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Just stop playing 😊 but you can't isn't it? very addictive
@affent1522 actually I did stop playing. Lmao 😂. Jokes on u