Missouri just showed that unions are winning again. In this episode, we report on the successful fight against Missouri's Right to Work Law - bit.ly/2MkHofg
Fascists? So Mr. not fascist American capitalist - tell me - forcing someone in America - working in an American Government job - that is inadvertently funded by you and me, the taxpayer - to join a union - that traditional funnels a majority of its dues to one political party - a party that I don't support - is somehow - what - Apple pie and Chevrolet? Well obviously it was wrong because it is now illegal to do so.
Why don't you use google to define Fascist? You appear to not understand the definition of the word. (I was going to let your ignorance go but you forced me with your statement). Simple - Forcing any worker to join a union in a public sector job is wrong. The union (just like any other business) shouldn't be able to use a taxpayer-funded job as a way to force membership which they then intern funnel 95% to one political party. It WAS wrong as the Supreme Court ended that madness. Unions should have to earn membership without favor from the Democratic party just like every other not-for-profit business. It's "fascist" to believe that you should deny someone a job for not joining an orginization you politically don't allign with.
Ww shoot for the stars, not for the dirt. And these are likely senior level jobs with no growth. College undergrads in computer science make 90k starting out.
Beau Worsham in that case, they should demand more money than 28 an hour. Because 28 an hour is good, but not that good, especially if you’ve hit the ceiling.
a factory that was making Tacoma trucks in California unionized, Toyota then shut down production and transferred that production line to its San Antonio plant... and all the UAW workers were left without a job...
Dennis Leach: When I bought my first car, I ended up buying a Datsun 1200 over an American car. I liked it because it came standard with items that were extra on American cars, like a heater. We had a Ford representative come to our Auto Repair class and I asked him why Ford charged extra for things like heaters, which required a special order and 9 month wait if you wanted a car without a heater.. He said most customers wanted the freedom to order a car without a heater. Now, most Americans know that the American Auto makers were lying to us because they thought their fellow Americans were stupid scum (like you are demanding to be thought of.) So, I bought the Datsun because I was treated as an intelligent adult. Now, my habit was set and it was foreign cars for life.
everything is a race issue in america, particularly the south. just because you are white and don't experience/can't understand these things doesnt mean they havent affected and do not continue to affect people of color throughout the us, particularly in the south.
Please tell us how it really is .....coming from a white person of course, is that what your professor taught you because it sounds a lot like the regurgitated drivel, are you even from the south?
Jeff Banner Except for the pesky little detail that Betty is not in this nonexistent, imaginary Union you speak of (ya know, the entire point of this video). And yet, ole Betty still makes $54k, far above her states median income. But hey, I’m sure you’re right. When the nonexistent union is no longer “nonexistently” around, that’ll totally go way down. Makes sense.
When you pay 150% of your state's average income, you get plenty of applicants, and can pick the best of the labor force. When you pay walmart wages, you compete with walmart for employees. And you get walmart employee effort when people realize they'd be better off working at walmart and McDonald's 45 hours a week. Used to work for a guy who didnt understand that.
$26.00 per hour in one of the lowest cost of living places in the US and she is complaining. Most people in a major city in the north where cost of living is higher, $26.00 per hour is great money. These people are unbelievable. Unions built the country no doubt about it, they were designed to place occupational safety in the industrial age. When OSHA and workers comp premiums kicked in forcing corporations to provide a safe work environment the union no longer became an asset, but a liability.
Hokum Isolated union UAW book worker is probably making $15.00 more per hour then a non union auto worker. The UAW makes money on the employee dues and investing the money made. So out of a high dollar per hour union job, then take out, health benefits, retirement benefits, union fees, etc., and in the end there not making that much more. And with unions merit is no longer the skill for which you are, paid, and employeed. Union work status is based on time in the union and dues paid, not merit. It's a completely antiquated labor system that is slowly dying. The last strongholds are Chicago, Philadelphia and NYC, Boston has a few hold outs but not nearly as the big three cities. Most unions that remain are construction unions, which from personal experience bully, threaten and use chaos to force work contracts. History has shown us what unions do, and what they promise to do.
But it is on the condition of at will employment in a right to work state. With no protections or compensation for injury. He might as well be driving that fork lift naked because he's completely exposed.
@@sorzin2289 I doubt they pay entry level employees that much. He's probably a maintenance worker or something. Most assembly line workers make $15-20/hr. More with time and higher position.
GM= billions in profit after being bailed out by tax payers. The Union should shoot every CEO in the head. That is what happens with the Trump administrative tax incentives. GM will go down the same route as Sears. The whole sell off will go into the pockets of the top at the cost of the tax payers.
The union is fighting for fairness for the workers GM makes the new blazer in Mexico for dollar's and brings them back to America and sells them for 30 grand where is the money going not to the employees and the GM plants that are all idled here in America why can't they build the blazer in one of those plants greed that's why it's all about the dollar so I applaud the UAW for going on strike
@@Jason-zp4ly You're an idiot. Do you know why GM went bankrupt in the first place? Ever heard of legacy costs? They had to nickel and dime every turd they produced because they had to pay pensioners. They had more pensioners than employees when they filed for bankruptcy because they caved to the UAW decades earlier... That is NOT sustainable. The unions were great when they achieved safe working conditions... They have long outlived their usefulness.
alfredshan2 What percentage of their workforce is making that? Why do companies like Wal-Mart, home Depot etc, see unions as a threat and why have we seen stagnant wage growth despite in increase in productivity while Union membership is at an all time low? I will assume you're also against the police Union too correct?
There are tradeoffs to everything. Making 26/hour in a state with the highest purchasing power in the country is not bad. For every dollar that you spend in Mississippi you get1.16 in goods and services. I personally wouldn't vote for unions in that situation. However that may change. I worked Kroger which is unionized if you have Seniority you get 15/hours and better health insurance than the Managers. But if you're new, you make minimum wage and you won't brake 9 /hour for three years and that's working full time. You work at Walmart you start at 9 and top out at 11 or 12 in three years. It all depends who you are what position you're in. If I were in the forklift operator's position. I would take any academic funding that Nissan offers get certified as electro mechanical technician. If they're pay a forklift operator 27/hour they must be paying there skilled labor a shit ton. If they layoff, I would rather be layoff with a certificate that my employer payed for.
I used to be a member of UFCW 700 from 2012 - 2016. I agree, the "benefits" were typically taking a step back. For example, losing insurance on your spouse.
Ask the unions in Canada why their plants are moving to Mexico. The Mexico minimum wage is $4.80 A DAY!!! and people are lined up to work without a union.
Mass layoffs wouldn't happen if any of this people who decide them in the first place really had a reason to fear they are next ones in line to beg for a job paid 4.80$ an hour. I would really love to see any executive living in the filth they have condemned their workers to live in .Get a GM's exec living in a trailer park, changing the champagne for water full of lead right before he starts laying off people and then let us see if that wouldn't change his position. And if that doesn't solve the issue, only then I'll start siding with you.
Not only that they ship the products (cars or whatever) completely tariff free because of that bullshit free trade agreement. So our economy gets completely fucked.
@@do_care919 He'd live through that for months and still do it in a heart beat. Being an owner of assets like the person you just described makes you a monster. You stop looking at your fellow humans beings as people and more so as just functions of money.
According to bankrates cost of living calculator $28 and a 40 hour work week (roughly $58000 yearly)is equals to a 6 figure yearly income here in southern California. I'm a software engineer and if we take cost of living into consideration I make a similar income to this forklift driver. I'm typically pro union but in this man's case he makes a good living and doesn't seem to need a union.
Logical Feynman unfortunately that gap will only increase. With more and more tech graduates. Us men who aren’t afraid to roll up our sleeves will make out like bandits, while you are paying off your degrees... we will both live happy lies, one of use just didn’t get played
Maybe u should unionize and make more. Seems like your being exploited for ur labor. Instead of blamming this guy and going anti union, why dont u blame ur employer who is fucking u over and profiting off u not making enough. This is what the upper class wants u to do, its literally why they feed employees ant union propaganda
Maybe consider forming or joining a union to fight for improving your own conditions, rather than just frothing at the mouth and getting mad at people who did
I'm a retired union member and a Mississippian. I'll just say unions can be a force of good for the workers or they can be a disaster so it is hard to make blanket statements about unions either way. To me working for a good non union company is no different that working for a bad company with a union if the union steps in to settle a beef. Apparently the workers at Canton Nissan were happy with what they had. I'm happy with my union pension and my healthcare for life.
Except the only reason you're paid decent wages is because of unions. Damn ungrateful people taking things for granted, a kid like you has no idea how much unions fought for worker rights in the past when people were dying in coal mines.
@@utsavman47 yes back in the70s 80s. Not now. They have everyone brainwashed into thinking that way. Who is going to save your job if you don't do it right. You not a union.
$26 an hour??? Bro if I was Nissan I would fire that lady. She is making more than a collage grad in big cities with a higher cost of living and she is complaining
@TheRedwings05 College grads are not dumb. It's just that we would rather do hard work with our head instead of with our backs. Without a degree, you have to either be very talented or do physically demanding work to earn a good living. Also, it is nice to have upward mobility, which comes a whole lot easier with a degree. The guy with dreadlocks seems to be a cool guy, and probably gets all the p**sy he wants from his significant other (who is shown in the video), but his success is dependent upon factory work. He has to work hard and deal with the possiblity of unions. With that said, I am not someone who wants to spend all my time on some noisy assembly line. I like the fact that I actually need to go to the gym and don't get all my exercise from doing physically demanding work all day.
Agreed that $26 an hour is very good wage for non managerial factory work. Also working in a modern manufacturing plant isn't back breaking like it used to be. Its just mind numbingly boring and repetitive
@TheRedwings05 - One college grad was asked this question: In what state do they host the Kentucky Derby? His answer- Wisconsin. In some instances I can't argue with you on that one. However consider this: One of my floor supervisors overseeing the manufacturing team that I lead was a dental hygienist who knew absolutley NOTHING about building cars. Nervously she confessed feeling inadequate about this position she was thrust into. We team leaders assured her we would do the best we could in assisting her in making the best decisions for our team members in building the cars in the most efficient manner. And of course upper management didnt like the fact that us guys and gals who actually BUILD the damn things were trying to help her do her job in directly overseeing us. So they pulled her aside and told her to basically not trust us. But rather to shoot orders from the hip which included overriding the decision making that management empowered us to make during the build process to begin with. Which of course caused chaos on the floor because it interfered with us building the cars in the right way. So here is something to ponder over: Who was the real dummy? The college graduate? Or upper know it all management?
D R hard labor. Experience. And all labor and people should be valued to some extent. It's not all about money. Making sure things are right and well equipped beyond just the company worried you'll Sue and then they'll have the money to say it was your fault even though they expected you to do the job ill equipped
Do you have any idea how much labour it takes to grow crops? It's very cheap once you have the farm set up, but it's so much work that farmers have a high suicide rate.
This has absolutely nothing to do with race, when you are actively looking to try to make it about race you will always find something to frame it as something to do with race. This situation is not at all race motivated
Zachary Weaver the whole state of Mississippi is a joke. I thought Alabama was bad, but Mississippi is way worst. People always say in Alabama thank God for Mississippi. Mississippi is last in everything. Couldn't pay me to live there
Collin Blake I know Mississippi is a hell hole. Last in everything. Been through Mississippi several times. It's garbage from the north to south. It's 2018 Mississippi is like 20 years behind. Alabama is miles ahead of Mississippi and that's not saying much
Boogity Bear I dont want to be there either. I left the south years ago when I joined the Army. I am from Alabama. Alabama is a joke, but Mississippi is a bigger joke.
I live in socal. Most warehouse jobs around here pay under $20 an hour. I was making $16 at mine and Im sure the cost of living is alot higher here than Mississippi. $28 for driving a forklift would be good in my area but its unheard of.
even the spokesperson for UAW, "we aren't promising anything", then why are you trying to unionize? i mean, the unions just wants it fees and dues paid.
Unions are the last organised line of defense to maintain the hard earned rights of workers, the Government prove time and time again that they are happy to allow big business to undercut the workers, here in Australia we would be working for peanuts if we did not maintain our Unions.
Ghastly Grinner Unions didn't destroy industry in the North. The death of the industry in the North happened when the upper management of these industry saw that they could make more money by moving factories overseas. So they moved the factories there. And with that move went the investment.
That's a little too simplified. There are cases where you may have to wait for someone to do a job because it's in his job description and not yours....but there are instances in private companies where you have to do 3 other people's jobs that aren't at all in your job description. There are also cases of promotion by seniority in unions, but there are also cases in private companies where some dipshit who knows nothing about a job gets promoted to it and does a terrible job....it's pros and cons. I tell you the argument of "Well I could make more money on my own." is moot...I mean it's just market economics; the union has power in negotiations because the person negotiating is negotiating for everysingle employee and can get a much better benefit package...you alone in a private company can only negotiate for yourself, you have less power. Now if we're talking about going into business for yourself then sure, you may be able to make more entirely on your own, but not everyone wants to be a business owner.
Unions ultimately destroy jobs over time because they always end up demanding too much. If unions were so great, Detroit would still be a great place for jobs.
Tell that to every other OECD nation that has unions and an incredibly high standard of living in comparison to the united states. There is no impartial study on this planet to suggest that your half baked observation that has no scientific rigor is true. It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
Damn $25+ an hour! That's really good especially for non-degree position. Tony has a nice house, a car, a job for 15 yrs, and making a little on the side with U-Haul. He's got it made; better than most college graduates.
25 and hour for a senior job. Should they just settle when they could get more? It's fine when the rich want to enterprise and see what they can take but as soon as the worker reaches out just a little bit more his hand gets cutoff.
@@ippothedestroyer I just assumed union dues were tax deductible in the US. Here in Canada , union dues are tax deductible. I would have to say that Canada is more labour friendly .
For a union to succeed you need politicians that care about the people Since we have had no politicians that care about the US work force in about 40-50 years, everything gets outsourced.
No point in having a union if Nissan is just gonna pack up and move. Which is exactly what they would've done. Making $26-28/hr is nothing scoff at especially in Mississippi. Nissan is paying their employees well above average. I don't blame the employees for voting no. Most of these worker know they probably won't find another job in their state paying that well.
the best thing that ever happened to our plant was getting rid of our union. after we voted them out, we all received a 5% raise, we were offered a 401k, and received a better health care plan. all unions care about is union dues, the more plants and people they have the more $$ goes into their pockets.
PLEASE Unionize! I'd LOVE to have Nissan come to my state and leave yours with a big, empty manufacturing plant while they build one in mine that is full of happy workers!
Wow...so many economics experts in this thread. I didn't know there have been empirical studies showing that NAFTA or a lack of good products caused Detroit to go under? But to answer the OP's question, yes and no. Unions most definitely were A cause of Detroit's downfall, but they weren't the only cause. NAFTA played a role and so did a lack of innovation design and tech.
I used to work for Disney World as an intern and if you were a Union worker there it was downright impossible to get fired no matter how lazy you were. As an intern you could get fired for just about any offense and I knew a lot of interns that got fired for what the union workers got away with on a daily basis. As a result the union workers knew they could get away with a lot and the interns had to pick up the slack. My coordinator advised me to not talk back to them even if they were clearly not doing their job and putting it off on me because they said that the union workers would go to HR and accuse you of being a racist and result in you getting fired since they had union backing. They had seen it happen before. Its ironic the HR department turned our to be the most racist department.
John Hansen , poor overworked interns! You were privileged enough to get your college degree. Must have been so hard working with folks that only make minimum wage. At least you can brag on your LinkedIn profile how you interned at Disney.
There's a lot of reasons a worker might not want a union. In my case, I don't want seniority to come before job performance when it comes to promotions. Plus, oftentimes Union leadership is more concerned about what benefits them than the workers they represent.
@@solomonm.2127 That happens even in union fields. Work hard, be smart, work towards leadership and you'll get it. I'm a union electrician and honestly we would get a lot better pay and conditions if nonunions would just unionize.
jesus fucking christ! *$28 per hour* to operate a fucking forklift?! i work in i.t. and don't make nearly that much. a college education these days is just absolutely useless...
bluetextonwhitebackground Nobody told you to work in IT. You wanted air condition and heat 24/7/365 STFU and take the crumbs and let real men and women *EARN A LIVING WHILE YOU HIDE IN THE SERVER ROOM KID*
Apemanwithcalculator You Clowns in The UK, EU and AU can eat the Queens leftovers YOU PLEBEIANS AIN'T EVEN GOT THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF...2ND AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE REST!💪🇺🇸✌
Thirty years ago I would say unions are good. Today, Not so much. I work for Toyota and have been treated very well without a union taking dues and doing nothing. I can't really blame that guy making 28 hr. for being a forklift driver! That's pretty good anywhere in the US.
Keith Richards Liver unions in manufacturing Construction assembly line and other types of machine work are generally not necessary. was saying unions aren't good doesn't take into account that there are grocery store unions that keep people from being abused by managers at the grocery store. that there are no unions for most hotels and that the hotel workers often work longer than 8 hours with no brakes and have very poor working conditions no healthcare or retirement benefits for long-term employees. there's also no support and unionization within the agricultural sector meaning that the number one abused employees in the country work in agriculture and food manufacturing. that's awesome lack of adequate negotiation and representation in the it sector which no one talks about the Elder Care sector which is not unionized and no one speaks about it is also not included under the union of healthcare workers or nurses that's also the issues when it comes to administrative staff. often people who work in admin as in secretaries front desk staff concierge's and other front desk or paper pushers as they're often called work 10-hour days don't get paid any overtime and don't have competitive rates off and being paid the minimum wage for the country to do the work of a whole office there are exceptions obviously to all the things I've stated but not very many and most of those occur in large cities on the coasts where the highest wages are no one in the Midwest mountainous regions or the South gets the kind of pay that is necessary to live by in this is where you see most of the Union fights happening. we should all support food service worker unions because you're waitress shouldn't make $2 an hour she should at least get to be included in the minimum wage for the country. you shouldn't pay the people who clean your hotel room $5 an hour plus any tips the previous occupant decided to leave for turnover. maintenance and repair staff who are not included in HVAC contracts are often it support individuals that work in poor conditions with no ventilation and improper training such as electrician to install lights for the city people who work for the Power and electric companies but our subcontractors who do quick repairs and individuals who work in the Computer Sciences but as a technician so people who repair cars or reprogram cell phones and repair electronics for a living Austin will get paid at least 12 an hour but will not get overtime insurance through their employer or any retirement benefits. there's a false assumption that unions are necessary because everyone is included in the minimum wage this isn't true unions will be 100% irrelevant and everyone will be happy to disband them once the entire population of US citizens are all paid based on the federal minimum wage but unfortunately that has not happened yet and so as long as everyone ignores this and they stay in their blind spots you will end up disband and unions and saying you don't need them while willfully ignoring all of the sectors that never got a chance to organize and ask for better wages to be included in the minimum wage. have you ever wondered about how much you get paid to make TV dinners that cost a dollar or if the person who cooked your food for your airplane flight spit in your food because he only gets paid $6 an hour and has no Health Care? what about if the person who made your kids school lunches had to come to work with pneumonia because otherwise they would be fired from their $9 an hour position of cooking food all day? it's these people that we ignore that need unions not the manufacturing sector the construction sector the fishing sector
Keith Richards Liver - And you have no idea as to how much BETTER you (and that guy) would be doing today if you had the benefit of collective bargaining on your side. So you're speaking from ignorance -- and enjoying it.
bkminchilog1, I do agree that we should weigh both sides. Workers need protection from abuse but employers also need protection from slackers and mean-spirited individuals. Not all employers are as rich as the corporate elitists. There are small business owners who cannot afford the benefits some people ask of them. People who spit in your food out of spite for receiving less pay are mean-spirited, especially if the customer was innocent of any wrongdoing. However, it seems that many waiters prefer being tipped than getting minimum wage without tips when asked their preference (based on some videos I have viewed), In other countries, servers don't receive tips but do receive minimum wage and are still expected to do their well without tips. Many unions have become more about making more demands despite having better work environments and many union workers have become slackers because they know they are protected instead of being evaluated based on merit and good performance.
RACE is a business and a corporation SO, politicians, black leaders, and the elites use it to push their agenda, garner votes, build institutions, or pit us against one another.They know its a wound that can never be healed so they do their best to poke and prode instead of treating the inflicted area.
Exactly!!! Look at Detroit 50-60 yrs ago, it was one of the jewels of America. It was run by white republicans. For the last 50 yrs, Detroit has been run almost exclusively by liberal/democrats. The white folks left and moved to the suburbs and the black golks moved in!! Crime went up, drug use went up, abortion rate went up, the drop-out rate went up, the number of father-less households went up,unemployment went up, taxes went up, the place looks like a fricken slum now!!! Where Jesse Jacka$$ or the “fraud” alfonse “scarface” Sharpton??? Nowhere to be found, because Detroit had no more companies to fleece!!! NO RACISM HERE, JUST FACTS!!!
MrDemoMan01 mmmmmm may be facts but it's always a reason why things went down like it does ... Not just because black ppl moved in a area ... You're stating facts but not all of them
That black dude in the beginning of the video should be the reporter for Vice and the Vice guy should be the one in the factory. He can drive around on a forklift trying to stir racial tension.
We have around 10k + unions here in brazil and you know what, we have so many "rights" and people here are still fleeing this country because of poor economic opportunities. Their leaders are filthy rich, you have to pay obligatory taxes to the unions and they usually side with the govt in a way to keep the current status quo. They made harder for employers to open a business, if you want some advice, stop them while you can.
In the US, 130 million workers, 14 million are in a union (~10%) In the UK, 30 million workers, 7 million are in a union (~23%). The peak in the UK was back in the late 70s where there was close to 40% of people in a union.
I’m an ex-union steward and recording secretary for a public sector union. I can see why the workers voted against the UAW. Why on gods green earth would workers want to pay dues? The dues could go towards your family. It’s that simple.
Because you make more money with higher wages / bonuses. We wouldn’t even have a minimum wage OR a weekend without unions, if we just let them die we risk losing what our parents and grandparents fought so hard for
I'm not saying Unions are good or bad, but the police unions are some of the strongest in this country yet everyone seems to be behind them 100%. Why isn't it the same when it comes to the working class like these people?
Because the police's job is to protect private property and Capitalists. A union makes them more organized in getting Capitalist to acquiesce to their demands.
Unions are the greediest corporation out there and the workers are their customers. Think about it that way. If union can't make money off you they dump you!
They make cars in Mexico and they don't make $5 an hour. Plant in my town joined the UAW, they got militant soon thereafter, had 3 strikes in close succession pushed wages up to $34 an hour and then the production got relocated to Mexico. Town of 8700 and 900 jobs lost. What did the UAW do for the unemployed workers - nothing.
This is not 1918, it is 2018. Employers know that they need good workers, not slave labor. I have, in recent memory, seen more harm than help by unions. Too many unions have become about the union and not the workers, all the workers, they are supposed to represent.
Why? Your skill driving a forklift doesn't get better after a few years, why in the hell should you get $40/hr for something I can teach a high school grad do in an afternoon? Madness, unionized workers greedier than the CEO himself.
Strong Unions are correlated with a stronger middle class and reduced wealth inequality. The decline in labor unions is one of the major causes for wealth inequality increasing in the U.S. The same thing is true with countries with higher standards of living. They all have strong unions and workers rights. The only reason Republicans hate Unions is because it takes away from their corporate profits. Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the country, and a red state, just like the 10 poorest states. Not surprising at all.
quagmire444 Wealth inequality is a non-issue. Uganda has no wealth inequality, that doesn't mean the people there are living well. When everyone's poor there's no wealth inequality, is that what you want?
+LOCO Fiesta Except you're not taking into account a countries wealth. Both are factors. If a country is very wealthy, but has a severe degree of wealth inequality, its going to take away from its standard of living. Granted, you need wealth in the first place to raise standard of living. Look at China. It has the 2nd highest raw GDP and highest GDP when adjusted for cost of living but its not even 50th in standard of living. It has a severe degree of wealth inequality. It simultaneously has some of the wealthiest and poorest people in the world. Wealth inequality to a degree of normal but after a certain point, the only way its sustained is through some sort of carefully rigged system. China is very authoritarian and suppresses labor rights pretty heavily which benefit people wanting to export product there but severely harm the lower working class who can't negotiate conditions/wage for any of the job choices that they have.
Wealth inequality? That's a fucking fact, wealth inequality is inevitable. People have different skill, different spending, different living, that's why their wealth is not the same. So you want to steal others people money so that everyone have the same money?
Hokum Isolated reading comprehension is a valuable skill my friend, keeps you from looking foolish. He's not saying wealth inequality isn't inevitable, he's saying that it's disparity and arguable range has grown. Those are two different concepts.
Always need a check and balance between union and company. Non union is at will employees. Unions are built on blood for what they fought for. Because of that I have 100% medical and dental. And a blessed with being able to have a roof over my head and also able to give back. I'm forever greatlful and will do anything and give anything to help my union or fraternal brother and sister unions. ILWU STRONG!
As much as I believe in unions , a worker earning $28 dollars an hour in Mississippi has no good reason to risk their job. Nissan would take it personal and that plant would be the first to have their hours cut if a crunch ever came.
Seriously, what a way to paint a target on your back. If the bosses know you have thoughts of your own you're gonna be the one they fire first to scare the rest of them in line.
28 dollars an hour is good money. Most of the factories where I live pay anywhere from 9 dollars to 14.50 an hour. As a matter of fact I would say majority of people make this kind of money in factories in the US.
I drive trucks, when you go to a union working place it usually takes a long time to get loaded or unloaded, the best places to get loaded or unloaded are privately owned and usually Chinese run.
the monetary problem with the unions is that they get the workers salaries high and they stay there. but the rest of the business moves in a credit cycle. sometimes prices rise but also must fall according to market demand. so unions keep the prices high therefore the employer cant afford a union worker in a depression and must close or relocate to where a union doesnt exist.
also unions do not guarantee quality labor worth its inflated price. coked up ford union members couldnt be laid off when they made lemon cars. its more of a hindrance to quality labor.
I have experienced a nightmare with union, when my department were shut down, I became and instantly and outsider with no chances of getting a recall . According to contract. I have to be rehired as a machinist as a beginner for $ 11/h in 1997. Loosing 2 times of my wages. While a janitors are making $22/h.
Jungles Bongles if a car is a lemon, that's not a quality issue. That's a design issue. The high paid designers designed a lemon. Or the manufacturer went cheap on items. by management decree.
Jungles Bongles also not true. Unions can be connected to the management and explain instead of decree the information. The union employees could all agree to a cut. It has in fact happened. This greedy mentality is an illusion.
I don't feel like the issue is race. It's the fact that the UAW is only worried about the UAW not its members. The Tennessee plant pays more because the cost of living is more. And that plants been open longer so those people have been working there longer
What unions don't tell members is that the pie is only so big. If you want a bigger slice, someone else will need to go hungry. I live in a country where the push for minimum wage and race based favor has destroyed competition. Now there are fewer employed and companies are actually pushing automation. So much for improving lives. Unions unfortunately employ idealists to market their racket.
to be honest I was a factory worker too and it doesn't matter where you go... Factory workers are treated like slaves and given very little break time... I believe America needs to adopt a French system where the break time is 2 hours
The idea of Unions ,is a good idea. UAW is what happens when an ideal is corrupted by greed and criminal behavior. UAW has been a corrupt union for well over 50 years now. Why are they the only option?
john wonder out of all the posts here, that is the single best question, and one that needs to be addressed by offering a better union and a method to remove and prevent corruption from effecting the workers.
I have not and will never join a union. I'd rather leave the job and get another than join a union. Not everyone deserves the same pay as not everyone works as hard as some people. That's my opinion on it.
kingleo I think they get too powerful, looks great on paper but end up fucking somebody over. Either the workers which unions have done before or the company. In today's world I don't trust them.
kingleo exactly and where I live that's how every union works. They bait them with goodies and then tell them to suck it. Henceforth the bad taste in my mouth about them. They were useful in the early 1900s sure. No doubt , be way to corruptible. And the unions here promote lazy workers. They send 10 union workers to do a 2 man job leaving 8 guys standing around smoking cigs or talking.
they were useful in the 1900's because they provided benefits that no one else had. Now the government and private employers provide health care safe workplace conditions retirement pensions. Why pay union dues when for benefits when you can obtain those services through the government or your private employer?
These folks make good money. None of those older folks have anything beyond a high school diploma, so what they are getting is eye boggling to current mid 20's folks with master degrees, having to work at Starbucks for 1/3 less and half the hours.
This has nothing at all to do with race...It is all to do with we don't want the Unions in the South...period. These folks are treated well by Nissan, great pay, benefits, etc, why would they want to change anything? The reason a lot of the plants that were in the North are now in the South is lower wages (but also a lower cost of living to offset that) and the Unions. Most of all the new car assembly plants are built in the South. We feel no need to upset the apple cart by bringing in an organization that does nothing for the worker and charges them in dues for that nothing. Nissan did the same exact thing when the UAW tried to organize the Smyrna and Dechard plants...I think they have shown they are not at all interested in playing this game, and neither are the majority of their employees.
Danny Deshler the UAW will continue to fail their misson trying to unionize the three Nissan plants. They can come back to Canton to try again in 2022, but it'll be 20x more difficult to get a vote and they will get crushed even worse if a vote happen. Right now, they can't return until that year due to a heavy margin defeat they suffered last year. They're focusing on Telsa, and if they unionize; the plant could be moving to Mississippi or China.
Missouri just showed that unions are winning again. In this episode, we report on the successful fight against Missouri's Right to Work Law - bit.ly/2MkHofg
u mean wil kill job and destroy peoples lives
Fascists? So Mr. not fascist American capitalist - tell me - forcing someone in America - working in an American Government job - that is inadvertently funded by you and me, the taxpayer - to join a union - that traditional funnels a majority of its dues to one political party - a party that I don't support - is somehow - what - Apple pie and Chevrolet? Well obviously it was wrong because it is now illegal to do so.
Why don't you use google to define Fascist? You appear to not understand the definition of the word. (I was going to let your ignorance go but you forced me with your statement). Simple - Forcing any worker to join a union in a public sector job is wrong. The union (just like any other business) shouldn't be able to use a taxpayer-funded job as a way to force membership which they then intern funnel 95% to one political party. It WAS wrong as the Supreme Court ended that madness. Unions should have to earn membership without favor from the Democratic party just like every other not-for-profit business. It's "fascist" to believe that you should deny someone a job for not joining an orginization you politically don't allign with.
Because Liberals always know what's better for someone else as long as they don't have to deal with the consequenses of the decisions they support.
Sorry, we are.
$28 an hour in Mississippi? You could own the state in five years.
28 an hour isn’t that much. Assuming a 40hr week, it’s less than 60k a year.
Ww shoot for the stars, not for the dirt. And these are likely senior level jobs with no growth. College undergrads in computer science make 90k starting out.
Beau Worsham in that case, they should demand more money than 28 an hour. Because 28 an hour is good, but not that good, especially if you’ve hit the ceiling.
0IIIIII In Mississippi it is.
Why would Nissan want the state of Mississippi?
None of the people you interviewed wanted to talk about race. YOU painted this as race issue VICE.
It's more about Companies union busting and using their power to influence votes.
Making everything about race just to get more views and engagement is disgusting.
The interviewer really wanted this to be about race.
VICE makes everything about race, sex, LGBT, etc
Arcsecant How??
Stop being a snowflake
To an extent, race plays a role. But the role of race is more broadly determined by wider social relations.
You realize they're in Mississippi, right?
a factory that was making Tacoma trucks in California unionized, Toyota then shut down production and transferred that production line to its San Antonio plant...
and all the UAW workers were left without a job...
akui88 Telsa will also shut down the plants if they unionized and move to either southern states like Mississippi or Mexico.
Good business decision
Who cares about price??? Toyota's keep working. American cars die at the 1st stop light.
Michael Sanches move to japan
Dennis Leach: When I bought my first car, I ended up buying a Datsun 1200 over an American car. I liked it because it came standard with items that were extra on American cars, like a heater. We had a Ford representative come to our Auto Repair class and I asked him why Ford charged extra for things like heaters, which required a special order and 9 month wait if you wanted a car without a heater.. He said most customers wanted the freedom to order a car without a heater.
Now, most Americans know that the American Auto makers were lying to us because they thought their fellow Americans were stupid scum (like you are demanding to be thought of.) So, I bought the Datsun because I was treated as an intelligent adult. Now, my habit was set and it was foreign cars for life.
"Race is a part of this conversation right?"
"It really is not"
Ye this is a vice video
The truth hurts, doesn't it buddy? Denial is worse than racism itself.
@@markjwil Yeah man that's why you're not getting anywhere. Pure racism. Easy to blame it on something out of your control isn't it, "buddy"?
@@supersix-four9509, denial is a disease.
@@markjwil why are you denying the truths spoken?
@@sadvenom7826 the reason you're calling it "truth" is because you agree with the racism, not because it's actually true.
$1.78 difference between TN and MS? Because of cost of living?
I live in New York my civil service job with 15 years is 71,200.00 a year. It’s half in Mississippi..I wonder why? Umm cost of living perhaps.
2:08 Smyrna, Tennessee is more expensive to live in than Canton, Mississippi. There's your disparity.
jarryda trueee I live in Smyrna
Facts! i work at the smyrna plant..
Big facts
It's a lot more expensive. I lived in Tennessee for 36 years and a lot of people moved to Mississippi because the cost of land was so reasonable.
@@Lostcreekwv1 race to the bottom
It seems that you are reaching to make this a race issue
Josh Willard there is a disparity between what people are paid based on race however a union won't fix that
bkminchilog1 you are an idiot
everything is a race issue in america, particularly the south. just because you are white and don't experience/can't understand these things doesnt mean they havent affected and do not continue to affect people of color throughout the us, particularly in the south.
you kind of a lost soul if you think everything is really about race. kinda makes me think your a little insecure about your own prejudices.
Please tell us how it really is .....coming from a white person of course, is that what your professor taught you because it sounds a lot like the regurgitated drivel, are you even from the south?
What the hell are you trying to do by trying to make this a racial issue
Race is all just illusions and lies anyways.
To divide in any way that they can.
Divide and conquer.
Because it is one.
@@sorzin2289
Is it?
Please, tell us how.
Sorzin Where’d you run off to?
Betty makes $54k a year in a state where the median household income is $36k a year.smh.
And great benefits, healthcare, vacation, plus huge Nissan discount.
why does the other plant in another state get paid more? caz COL. 100k in Cali isnt the same as 80k in Missouri
For now she does but when there no Union around that will go way down Ive seen it before ,
Jeff Banner Except for the pesky little detail that Betty is not in this nonexistent, imaginary Union you speak of (ya know, the entire point of this video). And yet, ole Betty still makes $54k, far above her states median income.
But hey, I’m sure you’re right. When the nonexistent union is no longer “nonexistently” around, that’ll totally go way down. Makes sense.
When you pay 150% of your state's average income, you get plenty of applicants, and can pick the best of the labor force.
When you pay walmart wages, you compete with walmart for employees. And you get walmart employee effort when people realize they'd be better off working at walmart and McDonald's 45 hours a week.
Used to work for a guy who didnt understand that.
$26.00 per hour in one of the lowest cost of living places in the US and she is complaining. Most people in a major city in the north where cost of living is higher, $26.00 per hour is great money. These people are unbelievable. Unions built the country no doubt about it, they were designed to place occupational safety in the industrial age. When OSHA and workers comp premiums kicked in forcing corporations to provide a safe work environment the union no longer became an asset, but a liability.
I agree.
What? you mean that if UNION is implemented it will now become greater than $26.00 per hour? I rather fired most employees and hired a robot.
Hokum Isolated union UAW book worker is probably making $15.00 more per hour then a non union auto worker. The UAW makes money on the employee dues and investing the money made. So out of a high dollar per hour union job, then take out, health benefits, retirement benefits, union fees, etc., and in the end there not making that much more. And with unions merit is no longer the skill for which you are, paid, and employeed. Union work status is based on time in the union and dues paid, not merit. It's a completely antiquated labor system that is slowly dying. The last strongholds are Chicago, Philadelphia and NYC, Boston has a few hold outs but not nearly as the big three cities. Most unions that remain are construction unions, which from personal experience bully, threaten and use chaos to force work contracts. History has shown us what unions do, and what they promise to do.
Edmund Dobry I wish I made $26/hr
there's always someone wanting to eat a piece of your paycheck via dues.
Sorry, $28 a hr to drive a forklift is damm good
But it is on the condition of at will employment in a right to work state. With no protections or compensation for injury. He might as well be driving that fork lift naked because he's completely exposed.
I know. As a 19 year old, I would KILL to have a job like that.
@@sorzin2289 I doubt they pay entry level employees that much. He's probably a maintenance worker or something. Most assembly line workers make $15-20/hr. More with time and higher position.
@@sorzin2289 Rediculous. Missippi requires employers to have worker's comp, so medical bills and lost work from injuries would be covered.
27,000 LAYOFFS AT General Motors, so where's the Union???
GM= billions in profit after being bailed out by tax payers. The Union should shoot every CEO in the head. That is what happens with the Trump administrative tax incentives. GM will go down the same route as Sears. The whole sell off will go into the pockets of the top at the cost of the tax payers.
The union is fighting for fairness for the workers GM makes the new blazer in Mexico for dollar's and brings them back to America and sells them for 30 grand where is the money going not to the employees and the GM plants that are all idled here in America why can't they build the blazer in one of those plants greed that's why it's all about the dollar so I applaud the UAW for going on strike
@@Jason-zp4ly agreed 100%
Jason
The unions need to die so we can bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Unions are parasitic organizations that need to be put to death.
@@Jason-zp4ly You're an idiot. Do you know why GM went bankrupt in the first place? Ever heard of legacy costs? They had to nickel and dime every turd they produced because they had to pay pensioners. They had more pensioners than employees when they filed for bankruptcy because they caved to the UAW decades earlier... That is NOT sustainable. The unions were great when they achieved safe working conditions... They have long outlived their usefulness.
"Black working class?" Why is it always about race? I'm white and part of the working class, for crying out loud."
You make more money than the average black worker.
UAW they'll get you a 2$ raise and take 5$.
5 bucks for a 2 dollar raise, who doesn't want that
arwen you would be losing $3
And non Union workers don't get a raise and no benefits
signas82 yeah thats why theyre making $26 hr right
alfredshan2 What percentage of their workforce is making that? Why do companies like Wal-Mart, home Depot etc, see unions as a threat and why have we seen stagnant wage growth despite in increase in productivity while Union membership is at an all time low? I will assume you're also against the police Union too correct?
There are tradeoffs to everything. Making 26/hour in a state with the highest purchasing power in the country is not bad. For every dollar that you spend in Mississippi you get1.16 in goods and services. I personally wouldn't vote for unions in that situation. However that may change. I worked Kroger which is unionized if you have Seniority you get 15/hours and better health insurance than the Managers. But if you're new, you make minimum wage and you won't brake 9 /hour for three years and that's working full time. You work at Walmart you start at 9 and top out at 11 or 12 in three years. It all depends who you are what position you're in. If I were in the forklift operator's position. I would take any academic funding that Nissan offers get certified as electro mechanical technician. If they're pay a forklift operator 27/hour they must be paying there skilled labor a shit ton. If they layoff, I would rather be layoff with a certificate that my employer payed for.
Kroger's union (UFCW 700 by me) is very much an "employer" union, not a workers union.
I used to be a member of UFCW 700 from 2012 - 2016. I agree, the "benefits" were typically taking a step back. For example, losing insurance on your spouse.
You hit the nail on the head. You have to keep expanding your marketable skills. Stay still? --> Get left behind.
Just a question as I leave in Europe, why would you want to work 15 hours?? That's not productive at all
@@pipipixx3 He was saying with seniority (at the grocery store called Kroger) you get $15 per hour. Is that what you meant?
Ask the unions in Canada why their plants are moving to Mexico. The Mexico minimum wage is $4.80 A DAY!!! and people are lined up to work without a union.
Mass layoffs wouldn't happen if any of this people who decide them in the first place really had a reason to fear they are next ones in line to beg for a job paid 4.80$ an hour. I would really love to see any executive living in the filth they have condemned their workers to live in .Get a GM's exec living in a trailer park, changing the champagne for water full of lead right before he starts laying off people and then let us see if that wouldn't change his position. And if that doesn't solve the issue, only then I'll start siding with you.
So in order to keep their the jobs they should work for 4.80 or less?
Not only that they ship the products (cars or whatever) completely tariff free because of that bullshit free trade agreement. So our economy gets completely fucked.
@@do_care919 He'd live through that for months and still do it in a heart beat. Being an owner of assets like the person you just described makes you a monster. You stop looking at your fellow humans beings as people and more so as just functions of money.
According to bankrates cost of living calculator $28 and a 40 hour work week (roughly $58000 yearly)is equals to a 6 figure yearly income here in southern California. I'm a software engineer and if we take cost of living into consideration I make a similar income to this forklift driver. I'm typically pro union but in this man's case he makes a good living and doesn't seem to need a union.
Logical Feynman unfortunately that gap will only increase. With more and more tech graduates. Us men who aren’t afraid to roll up our sleeves will make out like bandits, while you are paying off your degrees... we will both live happy lies, one of use just didn’t get played
Maybe u should unionize and make more. Seems like your being exploited for ur labor. Instead of blamming this guy and going anti union, why dont u blame ur employer who is fucking u over and profiting off u not making enough. This is what the upper class wants u to do, its literally why they feed employees ant union propaganda
Maybe consider forming or joining a union to fight for improving your own conditions, rather than just frothing at the mouth and getting mad at people who did
Union don't just negotiate pay. It also includes things like leave, health, benefits, safety, hours, etc
I'm a retired union member and a Mississippian. I'll just say unions can be a force of good for the workers or they can be a disaster so it is hard to make blanket statements about unions either way. To me working for a good non union company is no different that working for a bad company with a union if the union steps in to settle a beef. Apparently the workers at Canton Nissan were happy with what they had. I'm happy with my union pension and my healthcare for life.
Unions days are over. They can't promise anything anymore, so why pay dues. Treat your workers right pay a decent wage u get results.
Except the only reason you're paid decent wages is because of unions. Damn ungrateful people taking things for granted, a kid like you has no idea how much unions fought for worker rights in the past when people were dying in coal mines.
Utsavman47 first of all I'm no kid. Secondly pay attention to what I said. Unions were good they fought for rights. Not anymore!
Morons. Pay attention . They served their purpose. Not anymore.
@Daniel Brown I'm unemployed right now, no boss Dan!
@@utsavman47 yes back in the70s 80s. Not now. They have everyone brainwashed into thinking that way. Who is going to save your job if you don't do it right. You not a union.
$26 an hour??? Bro if I was Nissan I would fire that lady. She is making more than a collage grad in big cities with a higher cost of living and she is complaining
You think 26 dollars an hour is good ? There goes worlds best country crap more like a shithole
@@manjhasan3253 The US has the 4th highest average income of any nation on earth. Yes, $26 is pretty good even here.
@TheRedwings05 College grads are not dumb. It's just that we would rather do hard work with our head instead of with our backs. Without a degree, you have to either be very talented or do physically demanding work to earn a good living. Also, it is nice to have upward mobility, which comes a whole lot easier with a degree. The guy with dreadlocks seems to be a cool guy, and probably gets all the p**sy he wants from his significant other (who is shown in the video), but his success is dependent upon factory work. He has to work hard and deal with the possiblity of unions.
With that said, I am not someone who wants to spend all my time on some noisy assembly line. I like the fact that I actually need to go to the gym and don't get all my exercise from doing physically demanding work all day.
Agreed that $26 an hour is very good wage for non managerial factory work.
Also working in a modern manufacturing plant isn't back breaking like it used to be. Its just mind numbingly boring and repetitive
@TheRedwings05 - One college grad was asked this question: In what state do they host the Kentucky Derby? His answer- Wisconsin. In some instances I
can't argue with you on that one.
However consider this: One of my floor supervisors overseeing the manufacturing team that I lead was a dental hygienist who knew absolutley NOTHING about building cars. Nervously she confessed feeling inadequate about this position she was thrust into. We team leaders assured her we would do the best we could in assisting her in making the best decisions for our team members in building the cars in the most efficient manner. And of course upper management didnt like the fact that us guys and gals who actually BUILD the damn things were trying to help her do her job in directly overseeing us. So they pulled her aside and told her to basically not trust us. But rather to shoot orders from the hip which included overriding the decision making that management empowered us to make during the build process to begin with. Which of course caused chaos on the floor because it interfered with us building the cars in the right way.
So here is something to ponder over: Who was the real dummy?
The college graduate? Or upper know it all management?
CHEAP LABOR ISN'T SKILLED
SKILLED LABOR ISN'T CHEAP
D R hard labor. Experience. And all labor and people should be valued to some extent. It's not all about money.
Making sure things are right and well equipped beyond just the company worried you'll Sue and then they'll have the money to say it was your fault even though they expected you to do the job ill equipped
And Union labor sits at home watching Oprah...
D R
Right on! Unions do 90% of the work required to maintain and build this country
Do you have any idea how much labour it takes to grow crops? It's very cheap once you have the farm set up, but it's so much work that farmers have a high suicide rate.
$28/hr ISNT CHEAP
This has absolutely nothing to do with race, when you are actively looking to try to make it about race you will always find something to frame it as something to do with race. This situation is not at all race motivated
Love that mans quote. "Getting paid $28 an hour makes me a slave use as one."
If I got $30 an hour I be asking for overtime.
Then you're just not being paid enough. These are senior level positions.
$26 an hour on a Mississippi cost of living! And that's not enough!?
UAW: Protecting workers from working
What if the workers want to work?
Yeah working for nothing while their bosses get to go on vacation to their tax haven.
I live in Gluckstadt, 8 miles from the Nissan Plant. Everyone here is glad they voted NO.
Zachary Weaver the whole state of Mississippi is a joke. I thought Alabama was bad, but Mississippi is way worst. People always say in Alabama thank God for Mississippi. Mississippi is last in everything. Couldn't pay me to live there
Courtney Sutherlin you don’t know a damn thing.
Collin Blake I know Mississippi is a hell hole. Last in everything. Been through Mississippi several times. It's garbage from the north to south. It's 2018 Mississippi is like 20 years behind. Alabama is miles ahead of Mississippi and that's not saying much
Boogity Bear I dont want to be there either. I left the south years ago when I joined the Army. I am from Alabama. Alabama is a joke, but Mississippi is a bigger joke.
Zachary Weaver great!
I live in socal. Most warehouse jobs around here pay under $20 an hour.
I was making $16 at mine and Im sure the cost of living is alot higher here than Mississippi.
$28 for driving a forklift would be good in my area but its unheard of.
Kinda makes you wonder if liberal policies work, huh?
@@lakersfansince1991 exactly they don’t, as a Californian, it confuses me to see why the rest of the country would want that for their state
Its not unheard of your just not supporting union i make 43 here in cali union baby
They do that's why they're reacher and smarter. Even the homeless don't want to move South.
even the spokesperson for UAW, "we aren't promising anything", then why are you trying to unionize?
i mean, the unions just wants it fees and dues paid.
Unions are the last organised line of defense to maintain the hard earned rights of workers, the Government prove time and time again that they are happy to allow big business to undercut the workers, here in Australia we would be working for peanuts if we did not maintain our Unions.
Shark Cat Wrong.
Aharon Lawrence please explain
Shark Cat Unions may have once been for workers, but now they pay their executives and high-ups 100's of thousands, and donate billions to politicans.
Shark Cat They spend a miniscule amount of money on actually lobbying for better pay,etc.
Why am I not suprised the South doesn't want a union?
Alonzo Aldaba in in New England and don't want one either. Don't trust them.
Jimmy M smh
Alonzo Aldaba Speaking as a recovering New Yorker , southerners have more common sense.
Ghastly Grinner Unions didn't destroy industry in the North. The death of the industry in the North happened when the upper management of these industry saw that they could make more money by moving factories overseas. So they moved the factories there. And with that move went the investment.
lessons learned from detroit
From my experience with unions, they praise the lazy and punish the hard worker
That's a little too simplified. There are cases where you may have to wait for someone to do a job because it's in his job description and not yours....but there are instances in private companies where you have to do 3 other people's jobs that aren't at all in your job description. There are also cases of promotion by seniority in unions, but there are also cases in private companies where some dipshit who knows nothing about a job gets promoted to it and does a terrible job....it's pros and cons.
I tell you the argument of "Well I could make more money on my own." is moot...I mean it's just market economics; the union has power in negotiations because the person negotiating is negotiating for everysingle employee and can get a much better benefit package...you alone in a private company can only negotiate for yourself, you have less power. Now if we're talking about going into business for yourself then sure, you may be able to make more entirely on your own, but not everyone wants to be a business owner.
Unions ultimately destroy jobs over time because they always end up demanding too much. If unions were so great, Detroit would still be a great place for jobs.
Tell that to Germany, which is a bigger exporter than us and has a far more unionized workforce (especially in their manufacturing).
Tell that to every other OECD nation that has unions and an incredibly high standard of living in comparison to the united states. There is no impartial study on this planet to suggest that your half baked observation that has no scientific rigor is true. It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
Damn $25+ an hour! That's really good especially for non-degree position. Tony has a nice house, a car, a job for 15 yrs, and making a little on the side with U-Haul. He's got it made; better than most college graduates.
I make more in my union one job only
@@mgaraujo1220 What's that?
25 and hour for a senior job. Should they just settle when they could get more? It's fine when the rich want to enterprise and see what they can take but as soon as the worker reaches out just a little bit more his hand gets cutoff.
The $1.60 they make more goes towards union fees. Every time I see pay go up at the place I work so does the union fees.
@Daniel Brown no money always curropts the weak & moralless.
Union fees are tax deductible
@@shanewilson8728 For tax years 2018 through 2025, union dues - and all employee expenses - are no longer deductible
@@ippothedestroyer I just assumed union dues were tax deductible in the US. Here in Canada , union dues are tax deductible. I would have to say that Canada is more labour friendly .
@@shanewilson8728 Yeah they are.I spent about $1200 in union dues last year before taxes.
For a union to succeed you need politicians that care about the people Since we have had no politicians that care about the US work force in about 40-50 years, everything gets outsourced.
No point in having a union if Nissan is just gonna pack up and move. Which is exactly what they would've done. Making $26-28/hr is nothing scoff at especially in Mississippi. Nissan is paying their employees well above average. I don't blame the employees for voting no. Most of these worker know they probably won't find another job in their state paying that well.
So they make over $20 a hour and have health care. What are they wanting for?
NO PENSIONS
20 bucks isn't shit you fuckin moron..
20 bucks is nothing when you have a family to take care of and your the only worker. Cost of living is very very high now.
lissa leggs with no legitimate skills...$28 an hour is the bees knees
New yeezys
the best thing that ever happened to our plant was getting rid of our union. after we voted them out, we all received a 5% raise, we were offered a 401k, and received a better health care plan. all unions care about is union dues, the more plants and people they have the more $$ goes into their pockets.
PLEASE Unionize! I'd LOVE to have Nissan come to my state and leave yours with a big, empty manufacturing plant while they build one in mine that is full of happy workers!
Sounds like they'd rather spend money moving then pay a protected work force. Scared of the working class?
Wait.....$28/hr to drive a forklift and you want a union for higher wages?!? One word....GREED!
NO Union....Because when you get laid off....you can't find them.
But the unions did cause Detroit bankruptcy, no?
Nope, NAFTA did that.
Yup. It was just one thing. Nailed it.
Pretty much.
Not really they didint provide good products for customers.
Wow...so many economics experts in this thread. I didn't know there have been empirical studies showing that NAFTA or a lack of good products caused Detroit to go under?
But to answer the OP's question, yes and no. Unions most definitely were A cause of Detroit's downfall, but they weren't the only cause. NAFTA played a role and so did a lack of innovation design and tech.
I used to work for Disney World as an intern and if you were a Union worker there it was downright impossible to get fired no matter how lazy you were. As an intern you could get fired for just about any offense and I knew a lot of interns that got fired for what the union workers got away with on a daily basis. As a result the union workers knew they could get away with a lot and the interns had to pick up the slack. My coordinator advised me to not talk back to them even if they were clearly not doing their job and putting it off on me because they said that the union workers would go to HR and accuse you of being a racist and result in you getting fired since they had union backing. They had seen it happen before. Its ironic the HR department turned our to be the most racist department.
John Hansen union workers are lazy fucks that the union protects
John Hansen , poor overworked interns! You were privileged enough to get your college degree. Must have been so hard working with folks that only make minimum wage. At least you can brag on your LinkedIn profile how you interned at Disney.
Einar Figueras , I'm bringing privilege? What do you mean?
Anecdotal experience cannot be used as facts.
There's a lot of reasons a worker might not want a union. In my case, I don't want seniority to come before job performance when it comes to promotions. Plus, oftentimes Union leadership is more concerned about what benefits them than the workers they represent.
Remember your words when you are 55 and the new kid in the team will be your boss after your 30 years service.
@@solomonm.2127 That happens even in union fields. Work hard, be smart, work towards leadership and you'll get it. I'm a union electrician and honestly we would get a lot better pay and conditions if nonunions would just unionize.
Npc dickrides the boss
In a;; honesty, why would I want a union if I'm making that kind of money and have health benefits?! What more can the UAW provide?!
No unions. 18.60 dollars a hour is more than enough money for an apartment in a safe area, unlimited 5G data, wholesome foods, and a good used car.
Wow, 28.00 an hour in Mississippi. I can’t blame the guy for not wanting to run them out of there.
jesus fucking christ! *$28 per hour* to operate a fucking forklift?! i work in i.t. and don't make nearly that much. a college education these days is just absolutely useless...
bluetextonwhitebackground 28 ...working graveyard shift.
bluetextonwhitebackground that's exactly why I'm not going to college
Hey buddy I make $28 an hour and I also have a pension so when I retire thanks to the UAW. O yea I forgot to mention I only have a HS Diploma.
bluetextonwhitebackground Nobody told you to work in IT. You wanted air condition and heat 24/7/365 STFU and take the crumbs and let real men and women *EARN A LIVING WHILE YOU HIDE IN THE SERVER ROOM KID*
Apemanwithcalculator You Clowns in The UK, EU and AU can eat the Queens leftovers YOU PLEBEIANS AIN'T EVEN GOT THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF...2ND AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE REST!💪🇺🇸✌
Every job I had through a union ended up trash.
I'll drive the forklift for$22 an hour...
They sound like a cult. If they don't want to join a union then don't harass them.
Your making $26 and your complaining?
Thirty years ago I would say unions are good. Today, Not so much.
I work for Toyota and have been treated very well without a union taking dues and doing nothing.
I can't really blame that guy making 28 hr. for being a forklift driver! That's pretty good anywhere in the US.
Keith Richards Liver unions in manufacturing Construction assembly line and other types of machine work are generally not necessary.
was saying unions aren't good doesn't take into account that there are grocery store unions that keep people from being abused by managers at the grocery store. that there are no unions for most hotels and that the hotel workers often work longer than 8 hours with no brakes and have very poor working conditions no healthcare or retirement benefits for long-term employees. there's also no support and unionization within the agricultural sector meaning that the number one abused employees in the country work in agriculture and food manufacturing. that's awesome lack of adequate negotiation and representation in the it sector which no one talks about the Elder Care sector which is not unionized and no one speaks about it is also not included under the union of healthcare workers or nurses that's also the issues when it comes to administrative staff. often people who work in admin as in secretaries front desk staff concierge's and other front desk or paper pushers as they're often called work 10-hour days don't get paid any overtime and don't have competitive rates off and being paid the minimum wage for the country to do the work of a whole office there are exceptions obviously to all the things I've stated but not very many and most of those occur in large cities on the coasts where the highest wages are no one in the Midwest mountainous regions or the South gets the kind of pay that is necessary to live by in this is where you see most of the Union fights happening.
we should all support food service worker unions because you're waitress shouldn't make $2 an hour she should at least get to be included in the minimum wage for the country. you shouldn't pay the people who clean your hotel room $5 an hour plus any tips the previous occupant decided to leave for turnover. maintenance and repair staff who are not included in HVAC contracts are often it support individuals that work in poor conditions with no ventilation and improper training such as electrician to install lights for the city people who work for the Power and electric companies but our subcontractors who do quick repairs and individuals who work in the Computer Sciences but as a technician so people who repair cars or reprogram cell phones and repair electronics for a living Austin will get paid at least 12 an hour but will not get overtime insurance through their employer or any retirement benefits.
there's a false assumption that unions are necessary because everyone is included in the minimum wage this isn't true unions will be 100% irrelevant and everyone will be happy to disband them once the entire population of US citizens are all paid based on the federal minimum wage but unfortunately that has not happened yet and so as long as everyone ignores this and they stay in their blind spots you will end up disband and unions and saying you don't need them while willfully ignoring all of the sectors that never got a chance to organize and ask for better wages to be included in the minimum wage.
have you ever wondered about how much you get paid to make TV dinners that cost a dollar or if the person who cooked your food for your airplane flight spit in your food because he only gets paid $6 an hour and has no Health Care? what about if the person who made your kids school lunches had to come to work with pneumonia because otherwise they would be fired from their $9 an hour position of cooking food all day?
it's these people that we ignore that need unions not the manufacturing sector the construction sector the fishing sector
Keith Richards Liver - And you have no idea as to how much BETTER you (and that guy) would be doing today if you had the benefit of collective bargaining on your side. So you're speaking from ignorance -- and enjoying it.
bkminchilog1, I do agree that we should weigh both sides. Workers need protection from abuse but employers also need protection from slackers and mean-spirited individuals. Not all employers are as rich as the corporate elitists. There are small business owners who cannot afford the benefits some people ask of them. People who spit in your food out of spite for receiving less pay are mean-spirited, especially if the customer was innocent of any wrongdoing. However, it seems that many waiters prefer being tipped than getting minimum wage without tips when asked their preference (based on some videos I have viewed), In other countries, servers don't receive tips but do receive minimum wage and are still expected to do their well without tips. Many unions have become more about making more demands despite having better work environments and many union workers have become slackers because they know they are protected instead of being evaluated based on merit and good performance.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 most tips are cash. Report enough to meet the minimum and pocket the rest. They aren't dumb.
Lord everything is about race!!!
RACE is a business and a corporation SO, politicians, black leaders, and the elites use it to push their agenda, garner votes, build institutions, or pit us against one another.They know its a wound that can never be healed so they do their best to poke and prode instead of treating the inflicted area.
Exactly!!! Look at Detroit 50-60 yrs ago, it was one of the jewels of America. It was run by white republicans. For the last 50 yrs, Detroit has been run almost exclusively by liberal/democrats. The white folks left and moved to the suburbs and the black golks moved in!! Crime went up, drug use went up, abortion rate went up, the drop-out rate went up, the number of father-less households went up,unemployment went up, taxes went up, the place looks like a fricken slum now!!!
Where Jesse Jacka$$ or the “fraud” alfonse “scarface” Sharpton??? Nowhere to be found, because Detroit had no more companies to fleece!!!
NO RACISM HERE, JUST FACTS!!!
MrDemoMan01 mmmmmm may be facts but it's always a reason why things went down like it does ... Not just because black ppl moved in a area ... You're stating facts but not all of them
MrDemoMan01 You might want to learn the phrase “causation does not equal correlation.”
MrDemoMan01 Speaking the truth hurts for some people
$28 an hour for a forklift driver? Where do I apply? lol 😂
That black dude in the beginning of the video should be the reporter for Vice and the Vice guy should be the one in the factory. He can drive around on a forklift trying to stir racial tension.
Vice News on every story about poor people
Vice:I'm not saying its a race issue
Vice:but it is a race issue.
28 bucks an hour
Dammmmmm
That's awesome
We have around 10k + unions here in brazil and you know what, we have so many "rights" and people here are still fleeing this country because of poor economic opportunities. Their leaders are filthy rich, you have to pay obligatory taxes to the unions and they usually side with the govt in a way to keep the current status quo. They made harder for employers to open a business, if you want some advice, stop them while you can.
That woman makes $26.00 per hour and thinks she needs a union
So she can have more money taken out of her paycheck for union dues
Asian automakers will close the plants...
In the US, 130 million workers, 14 million are in a union (~10%)
In the UK, 30 million workers, 7 million are in a union (~23%). The peak in the UK was back in the late 70s where there was close to 40% of people in a union.
znxster worked out real well for U.k. Manufacturing given the huge amounts of items we see that are made there today.
Yup, I would not disagree, lets hope brexit doesn't screw us!
Unions have a record of growing the work force until 4 or more do the work formerly done by one. Then the work goes to Mexico.
So rich Americans would rather pay "Mexicans" a group of people the president hates..... Irony #1984
I’m an ex-union steward and recording secretary for a public sector union. I can see why the workers voted against the UAW. Why on gods green earth would workers want to pay dues? The dues could go towards your family. It’s that simple.
Because you make more money with higher wages / bonuses. We wouldn’t even have a minimum wage OR a weekend without unions, if we just let them die we risk losing what our parents and grandparents fought so hard for
@@Reworkd unions suck
Too afraid is usually what it is.
26 dollars an hour wtf.. hire me!
I'm not saying Unions are good or bad, but the police unions are some of the strongest in this country yet everyone seems to be behind them 100%. Why isn't it the same when it comes to the working class like these people?
Because the police's job is to protect private property and Capitalists. A union makes them more organized in getting Capitalist to acquiesce to their demands.
Union doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. Only in america(and vice)...
UAW decimated auto industry in Detroit. Unions just want those monthly dues from employees
Unions are the greediest corporation out there and the workers are their customers. Think about it that way. If union can't make money off you they dump you!
They make cars in Mexico and they don't make $5 an hour. Plant in my town joined the UAW, they got militant soon thereafter, had 3 strikes in close succession pushed wages up to $34 an hour and then the production got relocated to Mexico. Town of 8700 and 900 jobs lost. What did the UAW do for the unemployed workers - nothing.
$1.80 more in Tennessee WoW how much is the union dues?
The continuity of living history: working class consciousness.
This is not 1918, it is 2018. Employers know that they need good workers, not slave labor. I have, in recent memory, seen more harm than help by unions. Too many unions have become about the union and not the workers, all the workers, they are supposed to represent.
The video provides all anyone needs to know in the first minute. Guy makes $ 28 an hour driving a lift truck, no union. 'Nuff said.
Unions cannot protect you from layoffs.
I’m from Detroit and work in a ford plant with his years in and driving a fork lift he should be close to $40/hr
Why? Your skill driving a forklift doesn't get better after a few years, why in the hell should you get $40/hr for something I can teach a high school grad do in an afternoon? Madness, unionized workers greedier than the CEO himself.
Strong Unions are correlated with a stronger middle class and reduced wealth inequality. The decline in labor unions is one of the major causes for wealth inequality increasing in the U.S.
The same thing is true with countries with higher standards of living. They all have strong unions and workers rights.
The only reason Republicans hate Unions is because it takes away from their corporate profits. Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the country, and a red state, just like the 10 poorest states. Not surprising at all.
quagmire444 Exactly. I'm a duel citizen and in Europe unions become governments.
quagmire444 Wealth inequality is a non-issue. Uganda has no wealth inequality, that doesn't mean the people there are living well. When everyone's poor there's no wealth inequality, is that what you want?
+LOCO Fiesta
Except you're not taking into account a countries wealth. Both are factors.
If a country is very wealthy, but has a severe degree of wealth inequality, its going to take away from its standard of living. Granted, you need wealth in the first place to raise standard of living.
Look at China. It has the 2nd highest raw GDP and highest GDP when adjusted for cost of living but its not even 50th in standard of living. It has a severe degree of wealth inequality. It simultaneously has some of the wealthiest and poorest people in the world.
Wealth inequality to a degree of normal but after a certain point, the only way its sustained is through some sort of carefully rigged system.
China is very authoritarian and suppresses labor rights pretty heavily which benefit people wanting to export product there but severely harm the lower working class who can't negotiate conditions/wage for any of the job choices that they have.
Wealth inequality? That's a fucking fact, wealth inequality is inevitable. People have different skill, different spending, different living, that's why their wealth is not the same. So you want to steal others people money so that everyone have the same money?
Hokum Isolated reading comprehension is a valuable skill my friend, keeps you from looking foolish. He's not saying wealth inequality isn't inevitable, he's saying that it's disparity and arguable range has grown. Those are two different concepts.
The union paves the way for 28 29 dollars an hour. Even if you are non union. It's to compete for skilled labor. IBEW strong!
Always need a check and balance between union and company. Non union is at will employees. Unions are built on blood for what they fought for. Because of that I have 100% medical and dental. And a blessed with being able to have a roof over my head and also able to give back. I'm forever greatlful and will do anything and give anything to help my union or fraternal brother and sister unions. ILWU STRONG!
As much as I believe in unions , a worker earning $28 dollars an hour in Mississippi has no good reason to risk their job. Nissan would take it personal and that plant would be the first to have their hours cut if a crunch ever came.
Seriously, what a way to paint a target on your back. If the bosses know you have thoughts of your own you're gonna be the one they fire first to scare the rest of them in line.
28 dollars an hour is good money. Most of the factories where I live pay anywhere from 9 dollars to 14.50 an hour. As a matter of fact I would say majority of people make this kind of money in factories in the US.
I drive trucks, when you go to a union working place it usually takes a long time to get loaded or unloaded, the best places to get loaded or unloaded are privately owned and usually Chinese run.
peter8488 let's all.be Chinese then.
Social rating system. And a president for life
Because they use machetes to beat their illegal workers. Of course you aren't a teamster and scab labor undercutting everybodies wages.
the monetary problem with the unions is that they get the workers salaries high and they stay there.
but the rest of the business moves in a credit cycle. sometimes prices rise but also must fall according to market demand.
so unions keep the prices high therefore the employer cant afford a union worker in a depression and must close or relocate to where a union doesnt exist.
also unions do not guarantee quality labor worth its inflated price. coked up ford union members couldnt be laid off when they made lemon cars.
its more of a hindrance to quality labor.
I have experienced a nightmare with union, when my department were shut down, I became and instantly and outsider with no chances of getting a recall .
According to contract. I have to be rehired as a machinist as a beginner for $ 11/h in 1997.
Loosing 2 times of my wages. While a janitors are making $22/h.
Jungles Bongles if a car is a lemon, that's not a quality issue. That's a design issue. The high paid designers designed a lemon. Or the manufacturer went cheap on items. by management decree.
Jungles Bongles also not true. Unions can be connected to the management and explain instead of decree the information. The union employees could all agree to a cut. It has in fact happened.
This greedy mentality is an illusion.
“I have been driving an infinity for 15 years. if thats slavery, then keep using me” ... preach!
I don't feel like the issue is race. It's the fact that the UAW is only worried about the UAW not its members. The Tennessee plant pays more because the cost of living is more. And that plants been open longer so those people have been working there longer
What unions don't tell members is that the pie is only so big. If you want a bigger slice, someone else will need to go hungry. I live in a country where the push for minimum wage and race based favor has destroyed competition. Now there are fewer employed and companies are actually pushing automation. So much for improving lives. Unions unfortunately employ idealists to market their racket.
I think the government should step in and make sure the company abides by safety regulations but there is no need for unions
The workers, in a secret ballot, expressed there desires and told the union to go away. Maybe they remember what the UAW did to the Big 3 in Detroit.
I like how this video shows both sides equally and lets the viewer make a decision. Good work on doing news right.
Well it is vice
to be honest I was a factory worker too and it doesn't matter where you go... Factory workers are treated like slaves and given very little break time... I believe America needs to adopt a French system where the break time is 2 hours
If the people don't want unions and the unions are supposed to be for the people, then what's the purpose in unions?
I'm glad that I'm a Union worker for Ford and my life is great.
Save for the rainy days
The idea of Unions ,is a good idea. UAW is what happens when an ideal is corrupted by greed and criminal behavior. UAW has been a corrupt union for well over 50 years now. Why are they the only option?
john wonder out of all the posts here, that is the single best question, and one that needs to be addressed by offering a better union and a method to remove and prevent corruption from effecting the workers.
I have not and will never join a union. I'd rather leave the job and get another than join a union. Not everyone deserves the same pay as not everyone works as hard as some people. That's my opinion on it.
kingleo I think they get too powerful, looks great on paper but end up fucking somebody over. Either the workers which unions have done before or the company. In today's world I don't trust them.
kingleo yeah but if the company dosent offer those they can leave. If they want to keep any skilled workers the company better offer those lol
kingleo exactly and where I live that's how every union works. They bait them with goodies and then tell them to suck it. Henceforth the bad taste in my mouth about them. They were useful in the early 1900s sure. No doubt , be way to corruptible. And the unions here promote lazy workers. They send 10 union workers to do a 2 man job leaving 8 guys standing around smoking cigs or talking.
they were useful in the 1900's because they provided benefits that no one else had. Now the government and private employers provide health care safe workplace conditions retirement pensions. Why pay union dues when for benefits when you can obtain those services through the government or your private employer?
David Williams because governments change with elections and CEOs are often subject to shareholders. The unions stated goal is to protect the worker.
These folks make good money. None of those older folks have anything beyond a high school diploma, so what they are getting is eye boggling to current mid 20's folks with master degrees, having to work at Starbucks for 1/3 less and half the hours.
GM plant in Arlington UAW skilled trades there is 45-58 an hour. No degree is needed.
This has nothing at all to do with race...It is all to do with we don't want the Unions in the South...period. These folks are treated well by Nissan, great pay, benefits, etc, why would they want to change anything? The reason a lot of the plants that were in the North are now in the South is lower wages (but also a lower cost of living to offset that) and the Unions. Most of all the new car assembly plants are built in the South. We feel no need to upset the apple cart by bringing in an organization that does nothing for the worker and charges them in dues for that nothing. Nissan did the same exact thing when the UAW tried to organize the Smyrna and Dechard plants...I think they have shown they are not at all interested in playing this game, and neither are the majority of their employees.
Danny Deshler the UAW will continue to fail their misson trying to unionize the three Nissan plants. They can come back to Canton to try again in 2022, but it'll be 20x more difficult to get a vote and they will get crushed even worse if a vote happen. Right now, they can't return until that year due to a heavy margin defeat they suffered last year. They're focusing on Telsa, and if they unionize; the plant could be moving to Mississippi or China.
0:11 poor worker, Apple watch...
UAW = UNION FEES... at the end of the day!
Union fees are tax deductible
If the current unions are so shit, just form a new one. WTF people?!
UAW is the reason the Big Three needed a bail-out.