“Only 100 billion people have ever lived. 7 billion people live today and yet we torture and kill 2 billion of sentient living beings every week. 10 thousand entire species are wiped out every year because of the actions of one and we are now facing the 6th mass extinction in cosmological history. If any other organism did this a biologist would call him a virus. It is a crime against humanity of unimaginable proportions.” Phillip Wollen
@@beepboop1748 There's something called intellectual honesty, let me give you an example, Trump says he doesn't believe in human caused climate change, off course I don't think that he doesn't believe it, it's just against his agenda, his interests are in conflict, in this case, it's not ignorance, it's stupidity, and the same goes to factory farmers.
animals if not eaten wud b more in numbers...but that doesnt mean u eat it ! nature or god knws his way to deal with animals population. so as humans we have no rights to take there life !
Listen to all P W said .He said you can eat the ones which are here now but stop breeding them . Within 1 year there will be no farm animals left . Every year 70 billion animals are slaughtered ,while still adolescent ,for human consumption . It is a not a thoughtful argument from you , Caroline . I am sure you can do better if you educate yourself about how the animals you eat live and die .
I have been a vegan for 22 years and was a vegetarian since birth. My father became a vegetarian in 1937. My health improved a lot when I went vegan. I am nearly 60 now and feel great. I am very active and can out run, bike, and hike all my meat eating relatives. At this point high blood pressure, diabetes, arthritis, and osteoporosis have riddled all of these meat eating relatives. A lot of them are 20 to 30 years younger than my self. The biggest evidence is my wife who is a mirror image twin. She is thin active and still full of life and healthy. Her twin looks 20 years older than her and is suffering terrible from most of the malady’s listed above. They are genetically identical. The only real difference in their lives is their diets. And the difference is very dramatic.
@@misterbeefers you realize meat and dairy feed cancer cells and are the sole cause of coronary artery disease right? The countries with the highest dairy intake also have the highest levels of osteoporosis. There is nothing healthy about meat and dairy, but you can THRIVE on plant foods
Fiona acts like we're saying let's not allow cattle and other farm animals to exist. no. Let's just stop eating them and over breeding them. They can still exist and nature can take care of itself as long as we stop harming it and just help when needed.
The cattle raised for meat and dairy have been selectively bred to be very different from the original wild animal. If they were to go extinct, I wouldn't mind because wild ruminants like the American Bison would fill that ecological niche.
@@someguy2135 ............ Bingo! You are 100% correct......... Philip Wollen gave a talk in Melbourne and said "humans have manipulated and re-engineered other species into a vile freak-show. And to add insult to injury, they are now peddling the shameless lie that without the industry they would go extinct".
Phillip Wollen is an activist for animal rights, he speaks with conviction and compassion for animals and the cruelty they endure, I cried every time he spoke...I love love being a vegan and I pray that men like him will be heard so we can continue to make a difference in the world around us!
Thanks for sharing your considered opinion. Out of interest, do you butcher your own rabbits and horses, or do you buy direct from your local gyspy slaughterhouse?
4L3PH4 what is a gyspy? it's some kind of James Bond? or you wanted to write gipsy being a racist fuck and categorizing a nomad group of ppl that invaded the whole world and although their origins are from India and the referenced country has nothing to do with them you still want to make an ad hominem attack... and yes I kill my own animals.. not always but most of the time, do you kill your own plants? or grow them? no...
Well spotted sherlock; I did indeed mean gypsy. There's nothing inherently racist about referring to a group that frequently operates ( *illegal*) slaughterhouse facilities in Romania, so try controlling your troglodyte emotions for a moment. I hope you're somewhat calmer when cutting your animals' throats, you little savage.
What a talented and compassionate speaker Philip Wollen is. Facts, figures and kindness. Reduced me to tears. Peter and Veronica as well- all presenting from different perspectives. Such free thinkers and free from the conditioning we have all been subjected to over history and free from the greed and blocked kindness we could show to all living creatures. Veganism, Vegetarianism ... a choice made by the more evolved human.
I like that Susan Sorenson all three were brilliant. I would like to see Earthling Ed. Joey Carbstrong and Gary Yourofsky go head to head with those three. They would rinse them.
The guy who said the poor country sell their grain so we can eat meat and their children starve?? Surely that's just dumb. Eat the grain first then they wouldn't be hungry... They sell the grain for money it's pure greed
@@TheSamiswellcool That's pretty arrogant of you, Samuel. You obviously have no idea what it is to be grindingly poor. These people barely survive. And who do you think owns / controls vast freehold and leasehold swathes of these country? And the distribution channels? Rich corporations (and maritime poachers) from the West, the European Union and China.
@@TheSamiswellcool is that why farmers in third world countries are killing them selves ? .. most food that are grown for animals are not suitable for human consumption, and this they are forced to sell them, and get very little money in return as animal feed is cheap and highly subsidised my governments...you don't actually understand how food economy works
I am a vegan and I was bracing myself for a serious challenge of my beliefs, this did not come, almost all the arguments against the notion were unsatisfactory.
+benjitayahoo A moment of pleasure is not worth a life time of suffering + slaughter. I am aware there are less cruel methods of animal agriculture, but most of carnists diet are from the most cruel methods of factory farming, because they eat factory farmed meat in restaurants, parties, and etc. And even if hypothetically there was no suffering, there is still no ethical way of slaughtering. If you think there is, then ask your friends to kill you prematurely that way.
I love the fact that the second pro meat dude ended up making a strong compelling case for veganism. Pointless slaughter of male calf’s. it’s almost like he didn’t know about veganism?
I went vegan early this year. It’s crazy the amount of friends I have that are way out of shape are rolling their eyes and laughing at me like I’m gonna miss out on nutrition because I give up meat.
@@andreatarling9574 There is no difference. They're all arrogant, demanding, pushy people and the world must comply with their view or suffer the consequences. If I could slap that look off faces, RARA or Omni, I'd be only too pleased to do so.
@Aditya Vincent Braganza 1. Plants are fed to animals and then humans eat the animals. It is more efficient to eat plants in the First place. -> less animals AND less plants die this way. 2. It is about the mass consumption that is totally off nowadays. If you only eat animals when you really need to, because of health or because you live somewhere you can only get animals, that is perfectly fine. Most of the people dont follow that. In fact they eat so much animals, it affects their health negativley on the back of other living creatures suffering. Plus it damages our Planet. The Balance is totally off, That is the issue!
The panelists that were against kept repeating that "humane" slaughter is OK but how can you humanely slaughter something that doesn't want to die in the first place.... In my opinion the humane part is added just to make humans feel better about what they are doing.
+Jennifer Smith ..There are too many religious people that think that God gave humans the right to enslave and kill all the animals they want...and the Atheists give themselves the same right...no Christian will admit that factory farms/ slaughter houses look more like hell than they do heaven...then they might have to question just which God it is that they worship..I'm happy to here that there are ones such as yourself that have awaken, and wish to awaken others...but I also sadly admit that I have failed at getting my three sisters and their six teenage kids to prepare just one vegan meal...I have a facebook page called Don Lasar, and everytime I post things about veganism, they avoid me ofr days..even if its something nice showing how to make some easy vegan meals..they refuse to acknowledge me...and all of them are animal lovers and hate those that cause animals o suffer....but as they are stuffing those meat lovers pizzas into their faces, they give money to those that cause animals to suffer and die.....and I'm the bad guy.
+Storm Within I couldn't agree more...it's so frustrating. My dad has his own catering business & was a butcher. He processed deer in our home garage. Needless to say he doesn't understand my views at all. In fact he tells it's all smoke & mirrors & belittles my choices. It's so disappointing because I thought I was brought up to be in individual and not a follower & even if he didn't agree with me he would respect my passion to stand up for what I believe in...even if it's not the "normal" opinion. He is contradicting the values he instilled in me growing up by telling me I'm a weirdo for the choices I make. I'm sorry that you have to deal with close minded family & friends....it's such a bummer :(
OMG - this insane woman argues that we can't stop eating meat because domesticated farm animals would become extinct! If it was me who was being farmed for food - like a domesticated pig for example, living a tortured life in a gestation crate in a dark shed awaiting a tortured death and watching my babies bashed to death against the concrete floor by heartless humans, I would choose for it to stop!!!
Exactly. They also seem to forget that thousands of creatures are going extinct because we are chopping down forests to make room for animal farming and all the crops they need
i used to be live and let live mentality but every ay seeing peopel liek that woman makes me despice meatheats more and more...their greed their selfish attitude towars life and the lack of empathy for our poor animal friends who cry in pain being stabbed,kicked,electrocuted,boiled alive and more. How can they support this ? :(
the problem is that these animals are not natural. Mankind has genetically modified the domesticated animals to suit their needs. I read that they are experimenting on pigs not to modify them to be born blind and deaf. It all needs to stop. Let's keep spreading the word and make everyone aware of these atrocities. Of course, there are going to be some good ole boys and girls who will never be compassionate or have empathy, but most people are not aware that pigs are killed in gas chambers, or the baby male chicks killed on their first and only day of life, and dairy cows who suffer being forcibly impregnated and having their babies taken away over and over again.
clearly- the ones debating on ""animals should be on the menu"" look struggling with their bad homework for this debate. Philip Wollen..you are the hero!!
I cannot believe the opposition in this debate raised the ethics of consuming plants and referred to ourselves as "sentient being- centric". I feel like these arguments belong in a primary school playground. I'm pretty sure it was around that time I learned that microbes do not not possess central nervous systems and lack the ability to experience pain and suffering. How unfortunate that they brought so many weak arguments to an intellectual debate.
I agree it is a specious argument. But, that is all they have - other than the fact they just like to do something, in this case eat meat. So damn the other arguments. Other than the enjoying the taste of the food there really are no other compelling arguments and I am leery of Fiona Chambers' arguments about "saving the species" by eating them, particularly since the pro side largely rejected those claims.
Wayne Fitzpatrick It's as if Fiona doesn't realise that we have always shared the planet with other species before we started breeding them for mass human consumption. They're called 'wild animals' or 'native animals'. Someone needs to tell her about them. And if we weren't making space for animal farming and to plant crops to feed them, we would have MORE of them. It's hard not to be a bit condescending towards the opposition team when they insist on not seeing what's right under their nose. It's like Philip Wollen said: It's hard to make someone see the truth when their paycheck relies on them NOT seeing it.
Your comment is 7 years old at this point, but wow. I've never seen Philip Wollen speak, but man can he do so. His passion in the correct place and he has amazing words to go with it.
Dear vegetarians, The more you learn about animal agriculture (not to mention all the other issues where animals are exploited eg entertainment), you will find that a vegetarian lifestyle actually does not agree with your ethics. This was my case, as I understood that the slaughter of beef cow/bull, was no different to the slaughter of a bobby calf, or to the slaughter of day old male chicks in the eggs industry. Hopefully you are on your way to seeing the full picture (trust me you will always be learning) and go vegan. Its easy once you train your mind to always ALWAYS remember the lives that WILL be lost (as you eating an animal product is you saying to the industry "I will pay you to kill for me!". Now, (after less than year of veganism) I will never go back; because eating or contributing to cruelty is completely unacceptable or excusable. Vegan is the most peaceful lifestyle in existence, give it go.
Layla Flame You are 100% correct. . . . . dairy is meat in liquid form. . Every dairy cow is killed in a slaughterhouse. Dairy has a sanitized reputation, but it is a filthy atrocity. . . . . I support your sentiments entirely.
im a meat eater but still i totally agree with what you said. Its funny how we never hear the vegetarian " lessons givers " on this topic. Its the same if as a meat eater i would stop eating only beef and porc because i'm concerned with animal cruelty. And i would go around tell everybody how terrible they are. :)
Layla Flame It's like everything else, you make a start and keep going.... like a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, the journey to becoming an ethical vegan begins when you realise just what it really is on your plate.
Layla Flame Layla, I'm so happy to say that I'm finally, after 8 years of vegetarianism, making the lifestyle switch to veganism. While I will never disagree with the fact that the world's vegetarian population isn't making a huge difference by saving millions of lives each year, it's true in saying that many many dairy farms are factory farms themselves (as just one example). I may wish that I had made this choice sooner, but I will never regret my 8 years spent not supporting the meat industry! Bravo to all who are making any kind of a difference! I believe that those who make ethical and compassionate changes in their lives will only continue to grow and spread their ethics and compassion. We can spread like the bacterium Veronica mentioned ;)
This debate played a huge role in me becoming vegan when I watched it with my mother in 2014. I'm still not fully sure how I ended up watching this the first time but I am grateful that I did
Pepper . Well done. The Philip Wollen 9 minute speech has been seen over 30 million times. Or maybe 60 million? And independently translated into over 20 languages.
Please gimme some points against an argument that plants too have emtions and we kill them for consumption moreover agriculture crop too cause GHG emissions. All the time i failed to defend vegetarianism on these points.
@@maheshjadhav584 Even if people think that plants have emotions -there's no credible scientific evidence that they do- far more plants are killed for non-vegan diets than for vegan diets because of the great inefficiency of converting plants into flesh, milk or eggs, and due to the immense pollution caused by animal agriculture, fishing and fish farming. So by opting for a vegan diet we save countless plants and animals.
@Belex Surprise at what, that someone could hold a different opinion from yours? That that opinion could be expressed clearly and without insults as punctuation? Welcome to the real world, my friend.
The first woman speaking has clearly overlook the fact that legumes fix nitrogen, why would be need pasture phases when we can grow beans instead? The fact that people can spout such ill educated crap in a legitimate debate is plain embarrassing.
In mid 1970 there was a beef shortage in the US. So McDonalds started using horse meat. There was a big uproar when people found that out. When I inquired why it mattered when they could not tell the difference when eating, I was told that horses are pets and cows are not.
Adrian (6th speaker) was an idiot. "I see your science and I raise you useless anecdotes about my relatives" Well done, now please sit own and let the grown-ups talk
@@JamesSmith-eu3mq says the idiot who loves abusing animals for a taste. I am vegan because humans don't need animal products and it is inmoral to torment sentient beings for something you don't even need.
I CANNOT believe what this Fiona Chambers is talking - her character must be beyond disgusting! Thank you Philip Wollen to tell everybody the one and only truth.
Humane slaughter is an oxymoron. What's the point? If anyone is worried about slaughtering humanely... why not just not slaughter? I can't believe we are still having this debate. It's time to evolve.
Humans are retarded that's why. I'd bet 100% of meattards continue eating meat and defending their actions for ONE reason. They're insecure and desperately want to be liked and to fit in with their moronic colleagues or friends or family or all three. They are so afraid to be shunned or.be called a vegan and made fun of and pressured to be meat eaters to the point of suicide. These are weak pathetic insecure peolle who care so much what others think of them that they can never Be vegan because otherwise they would not be "normal". They would even get suicidal and kill themselves if they were made fun of for being vegan that's how sad and pathetic and insecure they are. Their "confident" excuses for eating meat is compete bs and nothing but a facade covering the truth. If you think I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong. But deep down you know I completely nailed it. The whole "I like the meat taste" is really a very weak argument and not the main reason..they eat meat covered with so much marinade or sauce or other plant based flavors or spices that the meat taste is basically not even there. Plus you could replace the meat with something else that absorbs the same flavors and spices and it would taste and feel the same. So it all boils down to their pathetic insecurity. Fuking losers they are
That last guy on the for meat side was talking right out of his ass. There is nothing natural about eating meat 3 times a day and we are evolved from Neanderthals. It is healthier and better for humans to eat vegan...our digestive system and bodies thrive better off it. And it is NOT just about choice because it involves the lives of living sentient beings, it is no longer a personal choice at that point. There are zero diseases caused by a vegan diet, but multitudes caused by meat and dairy consumption. And there are no happy animals killed for meat.. they all go to the same slaughterhouses and "free range" simply means not packed together in crates, to be labeled "free range" animals only have to be allowed to be outside for less than one hour. And if you wouldn't send your cat or dog to a slaughterhouse then ask yourself why you think it is ok to send pigs and cows.
Obviously he is a dead animal carcass eater. His brain is not properly functioning and he made himself a real fool. Everything what he said was pure nonsense ... "Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools because they have to say something- Plato-
I felt the audience was much wiser than I expected. Not only they corrected the people debating against motion, but also added more information regarding cruelty and ethics of dairy industry. Superb! Be vegan 🌱
@Paul Semmens no thanks, I've been to slaughter houses, I've seen more than enough of those barbaric methods and I was even born on a farm and spent my childhood there. I've seen all there is to see and know well enough that there is no kind way to take someone's life when they A) don't want to die and B) don't need to die. Unjustifiable violence can never be humane, that is an objective fact, disagreement also displays ones intelligence quite clearly.
@Paul Semmens yes please. I’d love to see how you think an a sentient being, which has a desire to pursue happiness and avoid suffering and death can be humanely - let me remind you: compassionately - slaughtered without necessity to do so.
Today I have eaten meat , but it led me to the moral dilemma ...a sense of moral guilt tend me to think about the life which I made a dinner for my excessive selfishness ...and finally I have become so determined for not having a dinner of flesh in my entire life ...Thanks ...we must love every being on this planet !!
Veganism is the future! Hang in there my fellow compassionate humans. The unhealthy egocentric people will die off and the healthy evolved open-minded humans will thrive.
Al Maruf Hossain Faysal I dont think you realize that things aren't the same anymore. Over population and demand for meat has turned animal agriculture into an unhealthy practice. If people continue eating their meat they will get sick. Who knows, maybe the ego will take people first ;)
Yohana Genova Dude, are you a Christian? Do you believe in GOD? Do you think , your bullshit researchers know better then your GOD? who has created everything and told you to eat clean meat? Do you think your GOD does not know what is good for you and what is bad? .........Genius!
Just one comment about all the talk about "humane slaughter", there is nothing like "humane slaughter" By definition the act of killing, rape etc. is wrong,evil and NOT HUMANE !!!
***** The "MEAT" is getting to your head. Your ego is taking over you mind. Check this book out "excuses be gone" then consider a vegan diet. Contact me and I can help you!
Exactly. Humane refers to "taking the interest of the other into account", essentially. That means, if someone is in a lot of pain, you might kill them as painlessly as you can. That even goes for humans, in some countries. There is not a single animal ever in a slaughterhouse whose interest is taken into account. Those animals want out, want to live, want companionship and safety. If we were to slaughter them as "humanely" as possible, in effect disregarding their interest to live, it would mean carefully administering a drug until death, petting them and calming them in the process. We know that is about exactly the opposite of what happens. They are pushed and stung forward in blood-smelling and loud rooms. Screams are heard, and finally, some person comes along and either cuts their throat as they twist and scream in panic, or they are shot in the head, gassed, hung upside down and beheaded, ground or suffocated. NO, ZERO, consideration is taken to the interest of these animals. They are mere products that happen to move and make sounds. They "produce" for us. They are "harvested". Humanity (at least the west) is at the doorstep of the next step in moral progress. During all of history, the project of "civilization" has moved away from "nature". That is what civilization is. As we all know, nature is brutal. In nature, it's all about self-preservation, also at the expense of others. Animals who live in nature have terrible deaths and sometimes lives. Our own lives looked like that, in the past. But given our intellectual development and ingenuity, we have gradually created systems that remove more and more individuals from the brutal fates of nature. Instead of letting children die of natural diseases, we develop medicine to treat them. Instead of freezing to death during winters, we build houses and electrical systems to shelter ourselves. We develop vets to treat the animals we identify the most with, and have laws to stop at least some of the worst abuse to animals we could conceive of. We develop more and more sophisticated systems of care to help the most un-productive and vulnerable humans in society, all because we care for their suffering. The next step for humanity is to realize that human>animal is a faulty and detrimental dichotomy. Everyone with the capacity to suffer should be granted moral consideration. Humans ARE animals. Everyone who have interests, and a capacity to have those interest unjustifiably discarded in pursuit of some superficial pursuit, have as much moral worth as any other. On top of these facts, there are the environmental and global health arguments, and veganism is pretty much undeniably the only, and most important, moral cause one can ever support.
I had the day off today and just watched the whole debate. Philip Wollen is probably one of the best speakers on this topic that I've ever heard. He kicked ass! GO VEGANS!
wtf is that crazy woman ranting on about with her incongruent inauthentic voice lying through her clicking teeth. phillip wollen, i love and respect you, bless your beautiful wise courageous heart.
1:19:55 This woman just compared stabbing a living breathing conscious being like a cow or pig to stabbing a mushroom or killing bacteria. She just did ''bacteria tho''. What a joke. Imagine if someone about to kill her justified it by comparing her life to that of bacteria or a mushroom.
She'd be so quick to yell and scream like a bitch and reach for the phone to call the police and ASK OTHERS TO PUT THEIR LIVES IN DSNGER TO SAVE HER and yet she's the type who even after experiencing near death would continue to abuse and kill her pigs in her shitty farm and say "im human. I deserve to have others to save me, but my pigs I torture don't". I really hope someone does this to her and publishes it online
Been Vegan couple of years now, just popped over from the Phillip Wollen interview out of intrigue to see the other side of the argument. So, so weak. Meat eating supporters have some kind of mental constipation where they just keep spouting the same stuff about tradition, cave men, taste etc seriously I have some small respect for them even standing up and trying to make a case against such a powerful argument but they just make themselves look stupid, if you want to eat meat and enjoy it just bury your head in the sand and stay quiet.(The way I did and most people do before they eventaually go vegan- which will happen) Or wake up and realise what you're doing is wrong and disgusting on every possible level.
The opposition was laughable. To say the least, they were intellectually dishonest and intended to use BS arguments such as humane slaughter, biodiversity, and how eating meat is "just Australian".
Philip Wollen is my new hero. The most passionate and convincing animal activist speaker I have ever heard. Kudos to Australians for making this happen. I'm going to do my part in trying to organize something like this in USA.
lol the meat-eating side cannot even find any excuses for their stupidity. The young guy defending meat is COMPLETELY avoiding the subject and has nothing good to tell anyone.
This meat eater woman ride me crazy, I can believe someone think this way, so selfish, ignorant over the animal feelings, everything is about human beings desires, I'm so disgusted with these type of people 😖😖😖
+Rene Starink I know! Meat is actually disgusting. When you stop eating it, you really find out what it actually smells like - rotting shit mixed with garbage. I had to go in a diner the other day for the first time in ages, and it literally smelled like a zoo. When I'm in the grocery store, and I walk by a sampling stand of sausages or whatever, the whole area smells like death. They should open up Kentucky STEAMED chicken... None of the breading, or spices, or oils, since those are all vegetable based and it's where all the flavour is coming from...Just pure unadulterated meat, in its purest form. We'll see how popular Kentucky Steamed Chicken would be with the carnists.
+sfalconi4 ... Sorry, but biblically clean animals were CREATED to be eaten. If it were not true, NO creature in nature would eat meat, you pack of ignorant radicals.
If anyone needs anymore convincing I deeply encourage you to watch a video by Gary Yourofsky - The Most Important Speech You Will Ever Hear and another by Dr Melanie Joy - The Secret Reason We Eat Meat followed by Earthlings (doc mentioned in this video) and Cowspiracy (Netflix) and Forks Over Knives
Gary Yourofsky is arrogant and self congratulatory. He's quite convinced that someone died and left him in charge of the universe. His view of God and the Bible, which I find no evidence that he ever read, are downright blasphemous. All in all, not someone I would take advice from.
After listening to that First Lady speak on the against side, I can't help but think how unfortunate you would be to have her as a mother! She is scary.
Rescue Rhonda You are right. If they were made of glass the thugs in the meat industry wouldn't have a single customer. They would have to go out and get real jobs.
@@kaemcolm5455 No, I don't eat meat, but i hate when people only use the shock factor. People knew what was happening at concentration camps with humans, what does it make you thing it would be diffrent with animals?
@@boscarobert12 I don't believe you when you say you don't eat meat. But that doesn't matter. The "shock" factor (as you quaintly put it) is actually the FACT factor. The evidence is already in. Only the ignorant can avoid it. Animal agriculture is a massive negative factor - in economics, environmentalism, human health, cruelty and a host of other horrid consequences. But the liars who want to continue the abuse have only one place to go. They say "Don't shock me". Well - the situation IS shocking. If you are serious, do something about it. Get active - and help shut down this brutal atrocity.
I am a practicing Cardiologist in UAE. I fully support your intiatives for vegetarianism. A good habit/behaviour from every standpoint and for everyone on the planet and Universe. The scientific data is replete with enough justification. I am ready to join hands with you to make the World more civialised i.e., vegetarian.
@@TheBlaze4000 Animals are sentient beings who should not be exploited for human selfishness. Unless your in a survival situation, there is no justification for enslaving, torturing, exploiting, and murdering animals.
@@funkymunky Animals have shit and pissed on the land to build up the the soil and feed the life in it for millions of years. Now all the modern farmers are doing is spraying it with weedkillers, and toxins that are killing the living things in the soil. It's turning into sand again. Go back to school.
@Bruno56 the southern states in the US took the same stance on slavery. Our views of morality evolve and encompass more and more ground. Thus, future generations might look at us the way we look at Neanderthals: as being primitive and single-minded with little regard for the world around them.
The people who want animals off the menu speak and are thinking about more then just themselves... what I hear from the other side is greed selfishness and ignorant people who are only think about themselves.
it isn't a fair debate, not only the meat team is wrong, that's a bad starting point, their arguments were either false or obviously evil, very weak participants in that side.
I almost stopped listening when she said "in order to save these breeds (cross bred by big agriculture) ...we have to eat them". Quite apart from the moral ethics how on earth would anyone believe they could win a debate by opening with a statement like that.
1) I love the Australian English accent. 2) I love the decency and civility shown by all parties involved in this event.(not much of it here in the US). 3) I am so blessed to have awaken ti veganism 8 years ago and growing stronger. Wonderful event...!
Isn’t it crazy that the obvious needs to be discussed? Who on earth could possibly believe that our lunch and dinner pleasures are above the lives of other individuals that suffer horribly?
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@huffiex all they said was "if you don't want meat don't eat it" that's not an argument, emotional or not. This is a debate on an emotional topic. Truth is most people would limit meat consumption if they saw inside slaughterhouses that's how most vegans became vegan so obviously they're going to bring it up.
THERE IS NO DEBATE. Science: Humans are physiologically NOT designed for scavaging off other vegan animals. We ARE vegan animals. I've dedicated my life to teaching this: I'm currently writing books and articles, and making videos teaching this simple fact.
***** You could google Physicians Committee for Respomsible Medicine, or Dean Ornish, or John McDougall, or The China Study. There is a wealth of information out there - but these sources could be a good start.
***** You could check out: Science Verifies That Humans Are Frugivores - www.scribd.com/doc/17111888/Science-Verifies-That-Humans-Are-Frugivores Paleontologist H.M. Ami, who states that all Paleontologists agree that man did not become a flesh eater until after the arrival of the Glacial Period(which destroyed much of the fruit forests. And you can find online, the book "The Natural Diet of Man" By John Harvey Kellogg This stuff blows apart so many beliefs. That's why I'm so into it.
Tom Kilworth I dont want to argue with you but chimps eat monkey meat. I don't claim we should eat meat but to be fair looking at other apes is not an example of where we came from, you have to look at our common ancestors, I think it is more likely humans diets are largely based on geography. If you were in the fertile crescent your diet would be drastically different than those in the arctic circle. What is most fortunate is that we are omnivorous so even if we ate meat in our past there are no complications in not eating it in the future.
Sad....... I liked eating meat because it was given. Raised up with it. If I was raised up with war, would I more like war or peace? Why not changing a bad and sad habit? Change your mind and look behind. Go vegan!
Philip's concluding comments were powerful. Veganism has always been most in line with my ethical principles, but I never bothered to make the change because it's too easy to just keep eating what you've always eaten. But I think it's time to reconsider.
This is a wonderful video. I became a vegetarian 46 years ago, when I was 16, though I made the decision to do it when I was 4, the day I realised that cows became meat. I'm now 62. I've had a few vegan and vegetarian friends who are totally committed, and far more who will break the rules from time to time. To begin with, I saw the numbers going up, but it's become a way of life, and I just 'got on with it'. I didn't like the idea of facebook, so delayed joining up, but eventually did so last year. It was a sort of revelation, - I discovered how many of us are out there in the world. I am English, but live in Australia, I had come to the conclusion that most Australians are a bit too tough, insensitive about animals, a bit unthoughtful, (also somewhat uninformed) for very many to give up meat. Though I of course knew about Peter Singer, my feelings were that being such a new country, with difficult, tough, beginnings, & a long way from Europe, Australians were still, largely,stuck in survival mode. (At primary school, my son went to camp, and when he came home told me they'd watched cattle being debollocked, when I questioned the teachers about this, they didn't really understand what I was on about. So this video was somewhat of a revelation! I think the anti-meat speakers are all quite brilliant. I believe the reason for this is that they are all committed and very serious about it, - they are passionate, and have spent a lot of time thinking it through. The carnivores on the other hand, clearly haven't given serious thought to what they consume, - they are still in that mode of seeing other animals as commodities. My feelings are that to live with true integrity, you must consider life seriously, and act accordingly. I can't really laugh with these people who make a bit of a joke out of animals lives, & then use that as justification to keep killing. - Sort of 'look at me, I'm a joker, life's a joke so I can do what I want.' I don't take life seriously either, but I think you have an obligation to take OTHERS' lives seriously. It is NOT up to you to take other lives as a laugh. I hadn't heard of Phillip Wollen before, - what a wonderful human - (I've never come across men of the ilk of either he or Peter Singer in Australia, tell me, where do these types hide here? These three people are all magnificent speakers, but Phillip some how manages to get his feelings of heart-wrench at this barbarity across, in a way that I have never seen before, it's the way that I feel, our treatment of animals and sometimes other humans is soul-destroying. It makes a pointless travesty out of being alive. I'm sorry to keep going but this film is so exciting. If you contrast the anti carnivores with the meat eaters, the difference in character is, to my mind, astounding! The meat eaters seem a very wishy-washy uncertain lot, perhaps because they take their stance for granted, they see eating meat as something you just do, not something to bother questioning. Just another awful God-given-right to live at the expense of the misery of others. Anyway, after my nearly half century, of living unreliant upon death and cruelty, in the last year, I have seen a break-through. ALL people are questioning the origins of their diet. I've also noticed the resistors, who seem to be getting a little desperate, for the lack of any authentic argument. They cling desperately and stubbornly, to their hypocritical religions in some pathetic attempt to not have to change their ways. It is really easy now to have no part of cruelty. I spent many a long winter, trudging around in leaky boots, now there are heaps of alternatives, - leaky boots are a thing of the past. I am thrilled, to see so many people acting on their conscience, I used to hope it would happen in my lifetime, but until now, I was never really confident that it would. The world is at last proving that the greater majority do have empathy.
Excellent summary by Lucia . . . . there is something on TH-cam entitled "who is Philip Wollen" and the Age Newspaper wrote an article on him . . . We can't recall the name of the article but you can google it easily.
1:22:40 "I'll cut you a bit of slack, I'll let you eat all the animals that are already sitting in the factory farms, just stop producing anymore" Incredible rebuttal. That's exactly the whole idea.
May be one of the few things I can be proud of being born in a Brahmin family (Namboodiri-Kerala) is we are vegan from almost the beginning of the establishment of our culture to the present day .
I been vegan and I never been healthier I got more energy I have more blood flow looks better than I ever seen I don’t get sick my body has healed incredibly
If you wanna use ethics as your main argument you really should be vegan as the dairy and egg industry is responsible for its fair share of suffering, pain and exploitation.
OMG!! Just by listening to the vegan side, these people show such an intelligence, in words, atittude, thinking wooww just for this fact I feel instant emphaty to their message, and Philip Wollen is a heroe, a true heroe, MY HEROE!!! All of you powerful clever vegan people are heroes whom I so much admire, cause at the beginning it is certainly a bit heavy leaving the meat off the menu - heavy for our taste which is used to it - but after some time, we start to live more responsibly not just in terms of nutrition, but we also acquire a good discipline and self teaching skills to apply in other aspects of our lives. I have being a vegan for 3 years now, no cow, fish, pork or piggies, birds or any derivative products from them at all, my hemoglobin is 16.7 (past month test), never ever felt better, I am in my weight, my heart is so strong I can exercise to my extreme with no issues at all, just health everywhere, God Bless The Vegan Lifestyle!!!!!!
It's odd that the third guy on the pro-meat side said he killed a sheep with his 'vegetarian dad' and then they ate it? How is that a vegetarian dad??? Deluded or lying??
"The brutes and the bullies have been Goliath, but David is coming. Maybe he's in this room; maybe he's one of you; and if not you-who, and if not now-when?" 1:42:21
@@rescuerhonda777 Are you always so rude? Ok I didn't watch what I was typing and my eyesight is very poor, I'm seventy years old and apart from my inherited eyes, my health is very good. OK? I change one letter. Bad typing. Not bad English. And certainly not rude.
And to add to what I said. There is everything in meat. We're made of meat. If you want to live on flour and water, fine, it won't feed starving child.
We as a species have broken the natural world with intensive agriculture and our "modern" life style, attempting to argue for animal husbandry for "ecological reasons" is just insane. Also you can never be justify torture and abuse, which is what we do to animals. Vegan is the only rational choice from an ethical, health and environmental view. I am ashamed of how humans treat the world, plants, animals and each other.
No, I don't have a cat right now, but I have been enslaved by various cats in the past. And I agree with you, the "pet" industry is disgusting, but it's there and until we can close it down I'll continue to pick up the lost and broken victims of it.
Most Vegans are Pro abortion, the mean obscene killing machine ? ? ? Save the animals , terminate the fetuses and embryos ? ? ? This is Deathical not Ethical , of the youngest and defence less generations .!
Brilliant debating from pro meat off menu argument & loved the audiences input as even against speaker's where more diligent than the smirking woman on the panel 👋👋
Her whole speech was ridiculous. She was smiling throughout Phillip Wollen’s fantastic speech and did not clap when he finished. That says a lot about her arrogance.
The pro meat-eating arguments rest on the idea that animals are necessary commodities to sustain culture, tradition, etc.-debunked by the animal rights theory
As a meat eater, I wanted to hear some arguments against vegetarianism, but those were pathetic. Is there really nobody, who could better represent the "against" side? Is that it? Are those abominations the best arguments that can be made?
Round 2 of this debate is desperately needed and long overdue. The brilliance of Phillip, the intelligence of Peter and the subtleness of Veronica were unmatched. They ate this debate up and clearly the majority of the audience agrees.
It genuinely warms my heart to hear how much louder the audience cheered for the pro-health and compassion speakers than for the pro-meat speakers 🥰🌱 Go vegan 🥑 ❤️🐷
The guy who yelled out at 1:38:04 while the point was being made that the destruction of the amazon is caused by soy farmers is right; it's almost all to feed cattle. It takes many thousands of pounds of food and water over a cow's lifetime before we can eat them. Wildlife is destroyed by farming. Farming crops can pollute heavily and use a lot of water. If you think that is an issue, then you should be all for reducing the billions of animals we feed billions, possibly trillions of pounds of grain and water each year. The vast majority of it all ends up excreeted, urinated, or exhaled out anyways. Great job to the "pro" team for their well-prepared arguments grounded in logic and compassion. It's sad that being vegan is seen by some as an extreme form of compassion. To me, not killing someone who doesn't want or need to die should be the bare minimum ethical value for all humans.
dont care + didnt ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe copedon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + so bad + so ass
In Jainism the underlying principle is to minimize violence. There are life forms from single sense to five senses. Animals and humans both have five senses and so are equal in the intensity of violence. Keep your own book of accounts. One is only responsible for the level of violence one commits. Be well what ever you do
this is what the Internet is made for. im vegetarian for 2 years and now finaly im vegan for now 7 month. now i can watch this insane good Video! thank!
These people just don't get it. They STILL speak as "food resources" instead of animals... -.- They still need to grow spiritually and intellectually, i feel sad for them...
"I love eating meat">> "I love unnecessarily eating the sentient beings who trembled fearfully, was scared for their life, didn't want to die, but had to prepare for their throat to be slitted by us, insentient beings, who didn't give a single thought about what we're doing will cause excruxiating pain and suffering. "
Please share this video... Doesn't matter if you are for or against eating meat... just share it, and let people access this information and decide for themselves!! This is vital information for our future, and the future of our planet!
GO VEGAN!! Love the shout at the end and yes, this is the best thing you can do today if you are concerned at all for the future of our planet. Or like some mentioned below, become a cannibal :P LOL
I have been vegan for a little over 4 months now and I have to say, cannibalism is the only way I would ever eat meat again. lol Hell he said over his cold dead body, I think he was volunteering himself. JK he doesn't even look tasty. #vegan4life
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"When we suffer, we suffer as equals and in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear is a boy!" ... Wow!
Very powerful words by Phillip.
A direct quote from Ingrid Newkirk, a very sick person in her own right.
“Only 100 billion people have ever lived. 7 billion people live today and yet we torture and kill 2 billion of sentient living beings every week. 10 thousand entire species are wiped out every year because of the actions of one and we are now facing the 6th mass extinction in cosmological history. If any other organism did this a biologist would call him a virus. It is a crime against humanity of unimaginable proportions.” Phillip Wollen
@Belex It still needed saying again, and I stand by the statement.
Educate yourself Bruno. It's not hard to find the numbers. You can weigh up all the info available just by googling.
The utter stupidity of asking what will happen to all the animals if we don't eat them. I give up!
Caroline Burton it's not stupid it's just ignorant
@@beepboop1748 There's something called intellectual honesty, let me give you an example, Trump says he doesn't believe in human caused climate change, off course I don't think that he doesn't believe it, it's just against his agenda, his interests are in conflict, in this case, it's not ignorance, it's stupidity, and the same goes to factory farmers.
animals if not eaten wud b more in numbers...but that doesnt mean u eat it ! nature or god knws his way to deal with animals population. so as humans we have no rights to take there life !
LOL SO TRue
Listen to all P W said .He said you can eat the ones which are here now but stop breeding them . Within 1 year there will be no farm animals left . Every year 70 billion animals are slaughtered ,while still adolescent ,for human consumption . It is a not a thoughtful argument from you , Caroline . I am sure you can do better if you educate yourself about how the animals you eat live and die .
I have been a vegan for 22 years and was a vegetarian since birth. My father became a vegetarian in 1937. My health improved a lot when I went vegan. I am nearly 60 now and feel great. I am very active and can out run, bike, and hike all my meat eating relatives. At this point high blood pressure, diabetes, arthritis, and osteoporosis have riddled all of these meat eating relatives. A lot of them are 20 to 30 years younger than my self. The biggest evidence is my wife who is a mirror image twin. She is thin active and still full of life and healthy. Her twin looks 20 years older than her and is suffering terrible from most of the malady’s listed above. They are genetically identical. The only real difference in their lives is their diets. And the difference is very dramatic.
maybe the possibility of not being able to eat any junk food what so ever might have a role in how things played out?
What do you say to all the Olympians and pro athletes who eat meat
@@jaketolhoek7596 Watch the movie the Game Changers.
@@jaketolhoek7596 What do you say to the great athletes who do not eat meat? You dumb arse cretin!
@@misterbeefers you realize meat and dairy feed cancer cells and are the sole cause of coronary artery disease right? The countries with the highest dairy intake also have the highest levels of osteoporosis. There is nothing healthy about meat and dairy, but you can THRIVE on plant foods
Fiona acts like we're saying let's not allow cattle and other farm animals to exist. no. Let's just stop eating them and over breeding them. They can still exist and nature can take care of itself as long as we stop harming it and just help when needed.
Yes, it does sound like a strawman fallacy for sure. She also uses the naturalistic fallacy.
The cattle raised for meat and dairy have been selectively bred to be very different from the original wild animal. If they were to go extinct, I wouldn't mind because wild ruminants like the American Bison would fill that ecological niche.
@@someguy2135 ............ Bingo! You are 100% correct......... Philip Wollen gave a talk in Melbourne and said "humans have manipulated and re-engineered other species into a vile freak-show. And to add insult to injury, they are now peddling the shameless lie that without the industry they would go extinct".
@@kaemcolm5455 Great quote. Thanks!
Phillip Wollen is an activist for animal rights, he speaks with conviction and compassion for animals and the cruelty they endure, I cried every time he spoke...I love love being a vegan and I pray that men like him will be heard so we can continue to make a difference in the world around us!
He is indeed a very powerful speaker. Riveting words!
Six years on from your message and we are getting there slowly..
@@robdee9341 unfortunately i just looked on nadias youtube playlist and she favourated a recipie for lamb Shepard's pie... im astounded
@@jaytee213 Me too unbelievable !!!
@@robdee9341 the house 🏡
A fine demonstration of a debate where morality, compassion and intellect crushes greed, self-interest and knuckle-dragging thought processes.
+4L3PH4 Couldn't have said it better. Bang on!
well I don;t care about food so eating meat or plants is irelevant for me
I see these vegans activists in the wrong here
Thanks for sharing your considered opinion.
Out of interest, do you butcher your own rabbits and horses, or do you buy direct from your local gyspy slaughterhouse?
4L3PH4 what is a gyspy? it's some kind of James Bond? or you wanted to write gipsy being a racist fuck and categorizing a nomad group of ppl that invaded the whole world and although their origins are from India and the referenced country has nothing to do with them you still want to make an ad hominem attack...
and yes I kill my own animals.. not always but most of the time, do you kill your own plants? or grow them? no...
Well spotted sherlock; I did indeed mean gypsy.
There's nothing inherently racist about referring to a group that frequently operates ( *illegal*) slaughterhouse facilities in Romania, so try controlling your troglodyte emotions for a moment. I hope you're somewhat calmer when cutting your animals' throats, you little savage.
What a talented and compassionate speaker Philip Wollen is. Facts, figures and kindness. Reduced me to tears. Peter and Veronica as well- all presenting from different perspectives. Such free thinkers and free from the conditioning we have all been subjected to over history and free from the greed and blocked kindness we could show to all living creatures. Veganism, Vegetarianism ... a choice made by the more evolved human.
I like that Susan Sorenson all three were brilliant. I would like to see Earthling Ed. Joey Carbstrong and Gary Yourofsky go head to head with those three.
They would rinse them.
The guy who said the poor country sell their grain so we can eat meat and their children starve?? Surely that's just dumb. Eat the grain first then they wouldn't be hungry... They sell the grain for money it's pure greed
@@TheSamiswellcool That's pretty arrogant of you, Samuel. You obviously have no idea what it is to be grindingly poor. These people barely survive. And who do you think owns / controls vast freehold and leasehold swathes of these country? And the distribution channels? Rich corporations (and maritime poachers) from the West, the European Union and China.
@@kaemcolm5455 not really. You can easily live off what you grow. They'd rather sell up and get money. Their choice.
@@TheSamiswellcool is that why farmers in third world countries are killing them selves ? .. most food that are grown for animals are not suitable for human consumption, and this they are forced to sell them, and get very little money in return as animal feed is cheap and highly subsidised my governments...you don't actually understand how food economy works
I am a vegan and I was bracing myself for a serious challenge of my beliefs, this did not come, almost all the arguments against the notion were unsatisfactory.
+shimon1254 Sorry, what is your argument against eating animals?
+benjitayahoo A moment of pleasure is not worth a life time of suffering + slaughter. I am aware there are less cruel methods of animal agriculture, but most of carnists diet are from the most cruel methods of factory farming, because they eat factory farmed meat in restaurants, parties, and etc. And even if hypothetically there was no suffering, there is still no ethical way of slaughtering. If you think there is, then ask your friends to kill you prematurely that way.
I love the fact that the second pro meat dude ended up making a strong compelling case for veganism. Pointless slaughter of male calf’s. it’s almost like he didn’t know about veganism?
They all cemented my veganism, because the anti-vegans arguments were stu-pid
I went vegan early this year. It’s crazy the amount of friends I have that are way out of shape are rolling their eyes and laughing at me like I’m gonna miss out on nutrition because I give up meat.
You are the BEST Philip Wollen . May God Bless you. So glad I became a Vegan over 7 years ago.
+Dianne Rochenski why are you enslaving that ferret? Disqusting
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@@benjitayahoo youre so affected lmao commenting all over this lol no points, no facts, just cry baby whining and being emotional
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There likely isn't a god to bless him, but I agree, he was quite moving.
and that devilish woman was smiling while the man describing animal suffering
I saw her face too, the devil in a human form.
I've seen the same look on activist faces many many times. No one has a corner on it. Yes, you want to slap it off, but we all do.
@@blisham9580 But the difference is we want to stop suffering, this lady speaker is ignorant and not caring about other beings only humans.
@@andreatarling9574 There is no difference. They're all arrogant, demanding, pushy people and the world must comply with their view or suffer the consequences. If I could slap that look off faces, RARA or Omni, I'd be only too pleased to do so.
Maybe because the vegans are using EMO tactics instead of debating...
"It all comes down to choice".............the animals have no choice..........none at all!
Lesli D you care about animals live which is necessary for our bodies, and you don't care about people who dying because of starving.
What choice does a lion have? Eat grass?
@@ahmedhusseinny Are you a lion :) ?
What a retarded comment.
Don’t you care for vegetables at all? Why don’t they have a choice?
@Aditya Vincent Braganza 1. Plants are fed to animals and then humans eat the animals. It is more efficient to eat plants in the First place. -> less animals AND less plants die this way.
2. It is about the mass consumption that is totally off nowadays. If you only eat animals when you really need to, because of health or because you live somewhere you can only get animals, that is perfectly fine. Most of the people dont follow that. In fact they eat so much animals, it affects their health negativley on the back of other living creatures suffering. Plus it damages our Planet. The Balance is totally off, That is the issue!
The panelists that were against kept repeating that "humane" slaughter is OK but how can you humanely slaughter something that doesn't want to die in the first place.... In my opinion the humane part is added just to make humans feel better about what they are doing.
+Jennifer Smith ..That's it Jennifer....Its not ok for humans to kill other humans in a humane way.
+Storm Within Great point! A lot people are even against the right to die laws & those people want to die. At least they have the choice....
+Jennifer Smith ..There are too many religious people that think that God gave humans the right to enslave and kill all the animals they want...and the Atheists give themselves the same right...no Christian will admit that factory farms/ slaughter houses look more like hell than they do heaven...then they might have to question just which God it is that they worship..I'm happy to here that there are ones such as yourself that have awaken, and wish to awaken others...but I also sadly admit that I have failed at getting my three sisters and their six teenage kids to prepare just one vegan meal...I have a facebook page called Don Lasar, and everytime I post things about veganism, they avoid me ofr days..even if its something nice showing how to make some easy vegan meals..they refuse to acknowledge me...and all of them are animal lovers and hate those that cause animals o suffer....but as they are stuffing those meat lovers pizzas into their faces, they give money to those that cause animals to suffer and die.....and I'm the bad guy.
+Storm Within I couldn't agree more...it's so frustrating. My dad has his own catering business & was a butcher. He processed deer in our home garage. Needless to say he doesn't understand my views at all. In fact he tells it's all smoke & mirrors & belittles my choices. It's so disappointing because I thought I was brought up to be in individual and not a follower & even if he didn't agree with me he would respect my passion to stand up for what I believe in...even if it's not the "normal" opinion. He is contradicting the values he instilled in me growing up by telling me I'm a weirdo for the choices I make. I'm sorry that you have to deal with close minded family & friends....it's such a bummer :(
+Storm Within BTW I'm going to check out you FB page if that's okay?
I'm a newer vegan and today I discovered Phillip Wollen. I'm so glad I did.
Well done, Gmanxxx. You are on the right side of history.
Brilliant wasn't he and was almost crying...
Going vegan is the best decision you can make, gets easier all the time, vegan for life!
OMG - this insane woman argues that we can't stop eating meat because domesticated farm animals would become extinct! If it was me who was being farmed for food - like a domesticated pig for example, living a tortured life in a gestation crate in a dark shed awaiting a tortured death and watching my babies bashed to death against the concrete floor by heartless humans, I would choose for it to stop!!!
Exactly. They also seem to forget that thousands of creatures are going extinct because we are chopping down forests to make room for animal farming and all the crops they need
The others were just as bad
i used to be live and let live mentality but every ay seeing peopel liek that woman makes me despice meatheats more and more...their greed their selfish attitude towars life and the lack of empathy for our poor animal friends who cry in pain being stabbed,kicked,electrocuted,boiled alive and more.
How can they support this ? :(
the problem is that these animals are not natural. Mankind has genetically modified the domesticated animals to suit their needs. I read that they are experimenting on pigs not to modify them to be born blind and deaf. It all needs to stop. Let's keep spreading the word and make everyone aware of these atrocities. Of course, there are going to be some good ole boys and girls who will never be compassionate or have empathy, but most people are not aware that pigs are killed in gas chambers, or the baby male chicks killed on their first and only day of life, and dairy cows who suffer being forcibly impregnated and having their babies taken away over and over again.
Also, we seem to save species that we *want* to save, just fine 🤷♀️
Weird
clearly- the ones debating on ""animals should be on the menu"" look struggling with their bad homework for this debate. Philip Wollen..you are the hero!!
I cannot believe the opposition in this debate raised the ethics of consuming plants and referred to ourselves as "sentient being- centric". I feel like these arguments belong in a primary school playground. I'm pretty sure it was around that time I learned that microbes do not not possess central nervous systems and lack the ability to experience pain and suffering. How unfortunate that they brought so many weak arguments to an intellectual debate.
I agree it is a specious argument. But, that is all they have - other than the fact they just like to do something, in this case eat meat. So damn the other arguments. Other than the enjoying the taste of the food there really are no other compelling arguments and I am leery of Fiona Chambers' arguments about "saving the species" by eating them, particularly since the pro side largely rejected those claims.
Wayne Fitzpatrick It's as if Fiona doesn't realise that we have always shared the planet with other species before we started breeding them for mass human consumption. They're called 'wild animals' or 'native animals'. Someone needs to tell her about them. And if we weren't making space for animal farming and to plant crops to feed them, we would have MORE of them. It's hard not to be a bit condescending towards the opposition team when they insist on not seeing what's right under their nose. It's like Philip Wollen said: It's hard to make someone see the truth when their paycheck relies on them NOT seeing it.
Can you share the link to this with me on facebook or email please Annette.? Dr Ross Perry
Wayne Fitzpatrick I agree, I'd rather be extinct than farmed, and saved for posterity
I started fangirling over Philips opening speech. He is now my idol.
Your comment is 7 years old at this point, but wow. I've never seen Philip Wollen speak, but man can he do so. His passion in the correct place and he has amazing words to go with it.
Dear vegetarians, The more you learn about animal agriculture (not to mention all the other issues where animals are exploited eg entertainment), you will find that a vegetarian lifestyle actually does not agree with your ethics. This was my case, as I understood that the slaughter of beef cow/bull, was no different to the slaughter of a bobby calf, or to the slaughter of day old male chicks in the eggs industry. Hopefully you are on your way to seeing the full picture (trust me you will always be learning) and go vegan. Its easy once you train your mind to always ALWAYS remember the lives that WILL be lost (as you eating an animal product is you saying to the industry "I will pay you to kill for me!". Now, (after less than year of veganism) I will never go back; because eating or contributing to cruelty is completely unacceptable or excusable. Vegan is the most peaceful lifestyle in existence, give it go.
Layla Flame You are 100% correct. . . . . dairy is meat in liquid form. . Every dairy cow is killed in a slaughterhouse. Dairy has a sanitized reputation, but it is a filthy atrocity. . . . . I support your sentiments entirely.
im a meat eater but still i totally agree with what you said. Its funny how we never hear the vegetarian " lessons givers " on this topic. Its the same if as a meat eater i would stop eating only beef and porc because i'm concerned with animal cruelty. And i would go around tell everybody how terrible they are. :)
Layla Flame It's like everything else, you make a start and keep going.... like a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, the journey to becoming an ethical vegan begins when you realise just what it really is on your plate.
Layla Flame Layla, I'm so happy to say that I'm finally, after 8 years of vegetarianism, making the lifestyle switch to veganism. While I will never disagree with the fact that the world's vegetarian population isn't making a huge difference by saving millions of lives each year, it's true in saying that many many dairy farms are factory farms themselves (as just one example). I may wish that I had made this choice sooner, but I will never regret my 8 years spent not supporting the meat industry! Bravo to all who are making any kind of a difference! I believe that those who make ethical and compassionate changes in their lives will only continue to grow and spread their ethics and compassion. We can spread like the bacterium Veronica mentioned ;)
+Daijinkaze Nothing tastes as good as vegan feels, deal with it ;)
This debate played a huge role in me becoming vegan when I watched it with my mother in 2014. I'm still not fully sure how I ended up watching this the first time but I am grateful that I did
Pepper . Well done. The Philip Wollen 9 minute speech has been seen over 30 million times. Or maybe 60 million? And independently translated into over 20 languages.
Thanks for standing on the right side of history!
@@kaemcolm5455 WOW! He's my new vegan hero
Please gimme some points against an argument that plants too have emtions and we kill them for consumption moreover agriculture crop too cause GHG emissions.
All the time i failed to defend vegetarianism on these points.
@@maheshjadhav584 Even if people think that plants have emotions -there's no credible scientific evidence that they do- far more plants are killed for non-vegan diets than for vegan diets because of the great inefficiency of converting plants into flesh, milk or eggs, and due to the immense pollution caused by animal agriculture, fishing and fish farming. So by opting for a vegan diet we save countless plants and animals.
The lady making a case for meat is beyond vile and disgusting. Phillip Wollen simply spoke the truth and owned this entire debate.
If you believe he "owned" the debate, then you're listening very selectively.
@@blisham9580 get your brain checked. It's obvious that the vegans obliterated the rivals
siddharth sharma: beautifully said!!!!
@Belex Surprise at what, that someone could hold a different opinion from yours? That that opinion could be expressed clearly and without insults as punctuation? Welcome to the real world, my friend.
She makes money from animals, it's no wonder she comes up with this garbage: www.wheelercentre.com/people/fiona-chambers
Phillip Wollen is a genius; GREAT SPEECH!
The first woman speaking has clearly overlook the fact that legumes fix nitrogen, why would be need pasture phases when we can grow beans instead? The fact that people can spout such ill educated crap in a legitimate debate is plain embarrassing.
She clearly hasn't watched one episode of Gardening Australia! Crop rotation.
In mid 1970 there was a beef shortage in the US. So McDonalds started using horse meat. There was a big uproar when people found that out. When I inquired why it mattered when they could not tell the difference when eating, I was told that horses are pets and cows are not.
Adrian (6th speaker) was an idiot. "I see your science and I raise you useless anecdotes about my relatives"
Well done, now please sit own and let the grown-ups talk
hahaha I know this is four years late, but thanks for that comment. Enjoyed it immensely.
"iT wOuLd Be uNaUsTrAliaN"
@@albaciani2944 HAAAaHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@albaciani2944 we are ??? Says who ?
@@JamesSmith-eu3mq says the idiot who loves abusing animals for a taste. I am vegan because humans don't need animal products and it is inmoral to torment sentient beings for something you don't even need.
I CANNOT believe what this Fiona Chambers is talking - her character must be beyond disgusting! Thank you Philip Wollen to tell everybody the one and only truth.
Humane slaughter is an oxymoron. What's the point? If anyone is worried about slaughtering humanely... why not just not slaughter? I can't believe we are still having this debate. It's time to evolve.
Humans are retarded that's why. I'd bet 100% of meattards continue eating meat and defending their actions for ONE reason. They're insecure and desperately want to be liked and to fit in with their moronic colleagues or friends or family or all three. They are so afraid to be shunned or.be called a vegan and made fun of and pressured to be meat eaters to the point of suicide. These are weak pathetic insecure peolle who care so much what others think of them that they can never Be vegan because otherwise they would not be "normal". They would even get suicidal and kill themselves if they were made fun of for being vegan that's how sad and pathetic and insecure they are. Their "confident" excuses for eating meat is compete bs and nothing but a facade covering the truth. If you think I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong. But deep down you know I completely nailed it. The whole "I like the meat taste" is really a very weak argument and not the main reason..they eat meat covered with so much marinade or sauce or other plant based flavors or spices that the meat taste is basically not even there. Plus you could replace the meat with something else that absorbs the same flavors and spices and it would taste and feel the same. So it all boils down to their pathetic insecurity. Fuking losers they are
Sending lots of love to all good people out there who have the courage and heart to stand up for animals! ❤
If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
@@autodidact537 It's called animal muscle. We are made of meat so why don't we eat human meat?
@@autodidact537 God doesn't exist so that's an easy one
That last guy on the for meat side was talking right out of his ass. There is nothing natural about eating meat 3 times a day and we are evolved from Neanderthals. It is healthier and better for humans to eat vegan...our digestive system and bodies thrive better off it. And it is NOT just about choice because it involves the lives of living sentient beings, it is no longer a personal choice at that point. There are zero diseases caused by a vegan diet, but multitudes caused by meat and dairy consumption. And there are no happy animals killed for meat.. they all go to the same slaughterhouses and "free range" simply means not packed together in crates, to be labeled "free range" animals only have to be allowed to be outside for less than one hour. And if you wouldn't send your cat or dog to a slaughterhouse then ask yourself why you think it is ok to send pigs and cows.
Obviously he is a dead animal carcass eater. His brain is not properly functioning and he made himself a real fool. Everything what he said was pure nonsense ...
"Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools because they have to say something- Plato-
I felt the audience was much wiser than I expected. Not only they corrected the people debating against motion, but also added more information regarding cruelty and ethics of dairy industry. Superb! Be vegan 🌱
Yeah so heartwarming
"I've seen good slaughter"- Carnists sound so psychopathic sometimes.
Only sometimes?
@Paul Semmens you can't because there is no such thing as humane slaughter. Oxymorons of that proportion don't do well in reality...
@Paul Semmens no thanks, I've been to slaughter houses, I've seen more than enough of those barbaric methods and I was even born on a farm and spent my childhood there. I've seen all there is to see and know well enough that there is no kind way to take someone's life when they A) don't want to die and B) don't need to die. Unjustifiable violence can never be humane, that is an objective fact, disagreement also displays ones intelligence quite clearly.
@Paul Semmens yes please. I’d love to see how you think an a sentient being, which has a desire to pursue happiness and avoid suffering and death can be humanely - let me remind you: compassionately - slaughtered without necessity to do so.
@@tylerw1976 no such thing
Today I have eaten meat , but it led me to the moral dilemma ...a sense of moral guilt tend me to think about the life which I made a dinner for my excessive selfishness ...and finally I have become so determined for not having a dinner of flesh in my entire life ...Thanks ...we must love every being on this planet !!
Veganism is the future! Hang in there my fellow compassionate humans. The unhealthy egocentric people will die off and the healthy evolved open-minded humans will thrive.
Yohana Genova ......or there will BE no future!
Yohana Genova Then why we are not dead yet? How old is Humankind? How old is humankind? How old is the earth?, Genius!
Al Maruf Hossain Faysal I dont think you realize that things aren't the same anymore. Over population and demand for meat has turned animal agriculture into an unhealthy practice. If people continue eating their meat they will get sick. Who knows, maybe the ego will take people first ;)
Yohana Genova Dude, are you a Christian? Do you believe in GOD? Do you think , your bullshit researchers know better then your GOD? who has created everything and told you to eat clean meat? Do you think your GOD does not know what is good for you and what is bad? .........Genius!
Genius ! You know you are wrong ! Do not run from the truth!
Just one comment about all the talk about "humane slaughter", there is nothing like "humane slaughter"
By definition the act of killing, rape etc. is wrong,evil and NOT HUMANE !!!
***** The "MEAT" is getting to your head. Your ego is taking over you mind. Check this book out "excuses be gone" then consider a vegan diet. Contact me and I can help you!
Deno Serafin If you'd consider doing it to a human wrong, it's not humane. Simple as that.
You obviously don’t know what humane means
Exactly. Humane refers to "taking the interest of the other into account", essentially. That means, if someone is in a lot of pain, you might kill them as painlessly as you can. That even goes for humans, in some countries. There is not a single animal ever in a slaughterhouse whose interest is taken into account. Those animals want out, want to live, want companionship and safety.
If we were to slaughter them as "humanely" as possible, in effect disregarding their interest to live, it would mean carefully administering a drug until death, petting them and calming them in the process. We know that is about exactly the opposite of what happens.
They are pushed and stung forward in blood-smelling and loud rooms. Screams are heard, and finally, some person comes along and either cuts their throat as they twist and scream in panic, or they are shot in the head, gassed, hung upside down and beheaded, ground or suffocated.
NO, ZERO, consideration is taken to the interest of these animals. They are mere products that happen to move and make sounds. They "produce" for us. They are "harvested".
Humanity (at least the west) is at the doorstep of the next step in moral progress. During all of history, the project of "civilization" has moved away from "nature". That is what civilization is. As we all know, nature is brutal. In nature, it's all about self-preservation, also at the expense of others. Animals who live in nature have terrible deaths and sometimes lives. Our own lives looked like that, in the past.
But given our intellectual development and ingenuity, we have gradually created systems that remove more and more individuals from the brutal fates of nature. Instead of letting children die of natural diseases, we develop medicine to treat them. Instead of freezing to death during winters, we build houses and electrical systems to shelter ourselves. We develop vets to treat the animals we identify the most with, and have laws to stop at least some of the worst abuse to animals we could conceive of.
We develop more and more sophisticated systems of care to help the most un-productive and vulnerable humans in society, all because we care for their suffering.
The next step for humanity is to realize that human>animal is a faulty and detrimental dichotomy. Everyone with the capacity to suffer should be granted moral consideration. Humans ARE animals. Everyone who have interests, and a capacity to have those interest unjustifiably discarded in pursuit of some superficial pursuit, have as much moral worth as any other.
On top of these facts, there are the environmental and global health arguments, and veganism is pretty much undeniably the only, and most important, moral cause one can ever support.
All animal products should be banned. Period.
***** yes
yes
Kapaya Kalonde yes
one day it will be act an of insanity to eat a dead animal, or its secretions
Banned ? No. you want to be vegan ? Fine. I respect your decision
I had the day off today and just watched the whole debate. Philip Wollen is probably one of the best speakers on this topic that I've ever heard. He kicked ass! GO VEGANS!
wtf is that crazy woman ranting on about with her incongruent inauthentic voice lying through her clicking teeth.
phillip wollen, i love and respect you, bless your beautiful wise courageous heart.
1:19:55 This woman just compared stabbing a living breathing conscious being like a cow or pig to stabbing a mushroom or killing bacteria. She just did ''bacteria tho''. What a joke. Imagine if someone about to kill her justified it by comparing her life to that of bacteria or a mushroom.
@@religionofpeace782 damn right
She'd be so quick to yell and scream like a bitch and reach for the phone to call the police and ASK OTHERS TO PUT THEIR LIVES IN DSNGER TO SAVE HER and yet she's the type who even after experiencing near death would continue to abuse and kill her pigs in her shitty farm and say "im human. I deserve to have others to save me, but my pigs I torture don't". I really hope someone does this to her and publishes it online
Been Vegan couple of years now, just popped over from the Phillip Wollen interview out of intrigue to see the other side of the argument. So, so weak. Meat eating supporters have some kind of mental constipation where they just keep spouting the same stuff about tradition, cave men, taste etc seriously I have some small respect for them even standing up and trying to make a case against such a powerful argument but they just make themselves look stupid, if you want to eat meat and enjoy it just bury your head in the sand and stay quiet.(The way I did and most people do before they eventaually go vegan- which will happen) Or wake up and realise what you're doing is wrong and disgusting on every possible level.
The opposition was laughable. To say the least, they were intellectually dishonest and intended to use BS arguments such as humane slaughter, biodiversity, and how eating meat is "just Australian".
PLEASE GO VEGAN.
Philip Wollen is my new hero. The most passionate and convincing animal activist speaker I have ever heard. Kudos to Australians for making this happen. I'm going to do my part in trying to organize something like this in USA.
lol the meat-eating side cannot even find any excuses for their stupidity. The young guy defending meat is COMPLETELY avoiding the subject and has nothing good to tell anyone.
This meat eater woman ride me crazy, I can believe someone think this way, so selfish, ignorant over the animal feelings, everything is about human beings desires, I'm so disgusted with these type of people 😖😖😖
***** Congratulations on saying absolutely nothing
meat is disgusting....the salt and spices is what you eat....you are so misinformed. No need to deal with a lie
+Rene Starink I agree 100% with you!!!
+Rene Starink I know! Meat is actually disgusting. When you stop eating it, you really find out what it actually smells like - rotting shit mixed with garbage. I had to go in a diner the other day for the first time in ages, and it literally smelled like a zoo. When I'm in the grocery store, and I walk by a sampling stand of sausages or whatever, the whole area smells like death. They should open up Kentucky STEAMED chicken... None of the breading, or spices, or oils, since those are all vegetable based and it's where all the flavour is coming from...Just pure unadulterated meat, in its purest form. We'll see how popular Kentucky Steamed Chicken would be with the carnists.
+sfalconi4 ... Sorry, but biblically clean animals were CREATED to be eaten. If it were not true, NO creature in nature would eat meat, you pack of ignorant radicals.
If anyone needs anymore convincing I deeply encourage you to watch a video by Gary Yourofsky - The Most Important Speech You Will Ever Hear and another by Dr Melanie Joy - The Secret Reason We Eat Meat followed by Earthlings (doc mentioned in this video) and Cowspiracy (Netflix) and Forks Over Knives
Gary Yourofsky is arrogant and self congratulatory. He's quite convinced that someone died and left him in charge of the universe. His view of God and the Bible, which I find no evidence that he ever read, are downright blasphemous. All in all, not someone I would take advice from.
@Belex What's your point?
After listening to that First Lady speak on the against side, I can't help but think how unfortunate you would be to have her as a mother! She is scary.
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we wouldn't be having this debate tonight.
Rescue Rhonda You are right. If they were made of glass the thugs in the meat industry wouldn't have a single customer. They would have to go out and get real jobs.
No, people would still eat meat.
@@boscarobert12 Nonsense! "Some" people would.
Only ignorant brutal people would do that - presumably you are one of them?
@@kaemcolm5455 No, I don't eat meat, but i hate when people only use the shock factor.
People knew what was happening at concentration camps with humans, what does it make you thing it would be diffrent with animals?
@@boscarobert12 I don't believe you when you say you don't eat meat. But that doesn't matter.
The "shock" factor (as you quaintly put it) is actually the FACT factor.
The evidence is already in. Only the ignorant can avoid it.
Animal agriculture is a massive negative factor - in economics, environmentalism, human health, cruelty and a host of other horrid consequences.
But the liars who want to continue the abuse have only one place to go.
They say "Don't shock me".
Well - the situation IS shocking.
If you are serious, do something about it.
Get active - and help shut down this brutal atrocity.
I am a practicing Cardiologist in UAE. I fully support your intiatives for vegetarianism. A good habit/behaviour from every standpoint and for everyone on the planet and Universe. The scientific data is replete with enough justification. I am ready to join hands with you to make the World more civialised i.e., vegetarian.
Brilliant. As Philip Wollen said in a speech in the Parliament in the Hague "You are on the right side of history".
I can't believe in this day and age we have adults arguing against this!
What do you think the right answer is?
@@TheBlaze4000 Animals are sentient beings who should not be exploited for human selfishness.
Unless your in a survival situation, there is no justification for enslaving, torturing, exploiting, and murdering animals.
Did anyone catch the audience member screaming, "Go vegan!", right at the end? Bless her. Go vegan!
Not in a million years. Not after millions of years of meat. We're born to eat the stuff. It looks after our land.
@@toni4729 It's quite the opposite. You'll already behind. Educate yourself.
@@funkymunky Animals have shit and pissed on the land to build up the the soil and feed the life in it for millions of years. Now all the modern farmers are doing is spraying it with weedkillers, and toxins that are killing the living things in the soil. It's turning into sand again. Go back to school.
Love the "GO VEGAN" at the very end (1:51:13)!
damn the meat eaters got owned
That is why your tribe of meat eaters are so stupid , dumb , ignorant and low life and always begging
@Bruno56 the southern states in the US took the same stance on slavery. Our views of morality evolve and encompass more and more ground. Thus, future generations might look at us the way we look at Neanderthals: as being primitive and single-minded with little regard for the world around them.
@Bruno56 I didn't. It's a comparison with something that was once considered morally correct which now isn't.
Your former response about a lot of people eating meat is also a fallacy. Just because a lot of people do it, doesn't make it right.
I don't know why I even bothered.... Best of luck in your endeavours!
That meat dude kinda promoted going vegan by saying stop buying dairy and eggs :D
that was my thought as well, lol
Only one point where I agreed with him! Haha
The people who want animals off the menu speak and are thinking about more then just themselves... what I hear from the other side is greed selfishness and ignorant people who are only think about themselves.
Bias may have something to do with that
it isn't a fair debate, not only the meat team is wrong, that's a bad starting point, their arguments were either false or obviously evil, very weak participants in that side.
Ricardo Delgardo is perfectly correct. The pro-meat argument was weak; their speakers were ignorant; and their assertions were lies.
I almost stopped listening when she said "in order to save these breeds (cross bred by big agriculture) ...we have to eat them". Quite apart from the moral ethics how on earth would anyone believe they could win a debate by opening with a statement like that.
JC Sixties - you are 100% correct. This meat industry lobby is bereft of ethics and intelligence.
1) I love the Australian English accent.
2) I love the decency and civility shown by all parties involved in this event.(not much of it here in the US).
3) I am so blessed to have awaken ti veganism 8 years ago and growing stronger.
Wonderful event...!
Isn’t it crazy that the obvious needs to be discussed? Who on earth could possibly believe that our lunch and dinner pleasures are above the lives of other individuals that suffer horribly?
Rod O Toledo. Exactly - expressed perfectly.
dont care + didnt ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe copedon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + so bad + so ass
Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
@@janieswanson2549LIKE?
This debate was a landslide win for the plant-based lifestyle team!
Not really. Most of their arguments were just emotional crap. The meat side on the other hand was calm, rational and pretty convincing.
@huffiex all they said was "if you don't want meat don't eat it" that's not an argument, emotional or not. This is a debate on an emotional topic. Truth is most people would limit meat consumption if they saw inside slaughterhouses that's how most vegans became vegan so obviously they're going to bring it up.
@@this-is-bioman not convincing enough clearly did you watch to see the results?
THERE IS NO DEBATE.
Science: Humans are physiologically NOT designed for scavaging off other vegan animals. We ARE vegan animals. I've dedicated my life to teaching this: I'm currently writing books and articles, and making videos teaching this simple fact.
***** You could google Physicians Committee for Respomsible Medicine, or Dean Ornish, or John McDougall, or The China Study. There is a wealth of information out there - but these sources could be a good start.
***** You could check out:
Science Verifies That Humans Are Frugivores - www.scribd.com/doc/17111888/Science-Verifies-That-Humans-Are-Frugivores
Paleontologist H.M. Ami, who states that all Paleontologists agree that man did not become a flesh eater until after the arrival of the Glacial Period(which destroyed much of the fruit forests.
And you can find online, the book "The Natural Diet of Man" By John Harvey Kellogg
This stuff blows apart so many beliefs. That's why I'm so into it.
Gary 11101 Thanks Gary, I didn't know about this source - or this information. . . . well done!
Exactly, Tom. . . well said.
Tom Kilworth I dont want to argue with you but chimps eat monkey meat. I don't claim we should eat meat but to be fair looking at other apes is not an example of where we came from, you have to look at our common ancestors, I think it is more likely humans diets are largely based on geography. If you were in the fertile crescent your diet would be drastically different than those in the arctic circle. What is most fortunate is that we are omnivorous so even if we ate meat in our past there are no complications in not eating it in the future.
Sad.......
I liked eating meat because it was given. Raised up with it. If I was raised up with war, would I more like war or peace? Why not changing a bad and sad habit?
Change your mind and look behind. Go vegan!
Good point Calciumchlorid. Agreed.
if the tommorow 'world will be vegetarian, there will be no more war
Philip's concluding comments were powerful. Veganism has always been most in line with my ethical principles, but I never bothered to make the change because it's too easy to just keep eating what you've always eaten. But I think it's time to reconsider.
It took me until the age is 60 finally to give up fish and become a proper vegan. I feel empowered by that decision. ❤️
Your comment was 4 years ago, how's it going now?
This is a wonderful video. I became a vegetarian 46 years ago, when I was 16, though I made the decision to do it when I was 4, the day I realised that cows became meat. I'm now 62. I've had a few vegan and vegetarian friends who are totally committed, and far more who will break the rules from time to time. To begin with, I saw the numbers going up, but it's become a way of life, and I just 'got on with it'. I didn't like the idea of facebook, so delayed joining up, but eventually did so last year. It was a sort of revelation, - I discovered how many of us are out there in the world. I am English, but live in Australia, I had come to the conclusion that most Australians are a bit too tough, insensitive about animals, a bit unthoughtful, (also somewhat uninformed) for very many to give up meat. Though I of course knew about Peter Singer, my feelings were that being such a new country, with difficult, tough, beginnings, & a long way from Europe, Australians were still, largely,stuck in survival mode. (At primary school, my son went to camp, and when he came home told me they'd watched cattle being debollocked, when I questioned the teachers about this, they didn't really understand what I was on about. So this video was somewhat of a revelation! I think the anti-meat speakers are all quite brilliant. I believe the reason for this is that they are all committed and very serious about it, - they are passionate, and have spent a lot of time thinking it through. The carnivores on the other hand, clearly haven't given serious thought to what they consume, - they are still in that mode of seeing other animals as commodities. My feelings are that to live with true integrity, you must consider life seriously, and act accordingly. I can't really laugh with these people who make a bit of a joke out of animals lives, & then use that as justification to keep killing. - Sort of 'look at me, I'm a joker, life's a joke so I can do what I want.' I don't take life seriously either, but I think you have an obligation to take OTHERS' lives seriously. It is NOT up to you to take other lives as a laugh.
I hadn't heard of Phillip Wollen before, - what a wonderful human - (I've never come across men of the ilk of either he or Peter Singer in Australia, tell me, where do these types hide here? These three people are all magnificent speakers, but Phillip some how manages to get his feelings of heart-wrench at this barbarity across, in a way that I have never seen before, it's the way that I feel, our treatment of animals and sometimes other humans is soul-destroying. It makes a pointless travesty out of being alive.
I'm sorry to keep going but this film is so exciting. If you contrast the anti carnivores with the meat eaters, the difference in character is, to my mind, astounding! The meat eaters seem a very wishy-washy uncertain lot, perhaps because they take their stance for granted, they see eating meat as something you just do, not something to bother questioning. Just another awful God-given-right to live at the expense of the misery of others.
Anyway, after my nearly half century, of living unreliant upon death and cruelty, in the last year, I have seen a break-through. ALL people are questioning the origins of their diet. I've also noticed the resistors, who seem to be getting a little desperate, for the lack of any authentic argument. They cling desperately and stubbornly, to their hypocritical religions in some pathetic attempt to not have to change their ways. It is really easy now to have no part of cruelty. I spent many a long winter, trudging around in leaky boots, now there are heaps of alternatives, - leaky boots are a thing of the past. I am thrilled, to see so many people acting on their conscience, I used to hope it would happen in my lifetime, but until now, I was never really confident that it would. The world is at last proving that the greater majority do have empathy.
Very well said, Lucia! And that "wishy-washy"ness that you sensed in the necrovores is called Cognitive Dissonance.
Many thanks Judith.
Excellent summary by Lucia . . . . there is something on TH-cam entitled "who is Philip Wollen" and the Age Newspaper wrote an article on him . . . We can't recall the name of the article but you can google it easily.
***** Thank you,I'll look it up.
I became a vegetarian over 3 years ago. It was one of the best decisions in my life.
Phillip Wollen gave a hell of a speech.
1:22:40 "I'll cut you a bit of slack, I'll let you eat all the animals that are already sitting in the factory farms, just stop producing anymore"
Incredible rebuttal. That's exactly the whole idea.
To kill trillions of living creatures just to cut a bit of a slack to the oppressor?
Horrible rebuttal
@@zerooneonetwothree1872 the idea is to stop producing suffering. That number is higher than trillions if it lasts for generations.
@MorTobXD it’s purely utilitarian. In the long run it’s supposed to be better if we want to reduce suffering. That’s the vibe I get from Singer.
May be one of the few things I can be proud of being born in a Brahmin family (Namboodiri-Kerala) is we are vegan from almost the beginning of the establishment of our culture to the present day .
Vishnu. Agree 100%. You are very lucky.
@@kaemcolm5455 🙏
Don't know about that , the job reservation is against us lol, ...but happy to say I have been vegan for 4 years now
@@VeganSanatani thats entirely different topic 🤣 This is about veganism
I had enjoyed eating meat but I've changed, vegetables for now
Props
How is that going on? Hahaha
@@luisgerardollamasgutierrez9726 great i imagine
this video deserves several million views !
Adrian is another cold-blooded human.
I been vegan and I never been healthier I got more energy I have more blood flow looks better than I ever seen I don’t get sick my body has healed incredibly
Farm animals are better off being extinct than being tortured , the issue is not eating them but to stop hurting them
I love whoever shouted out, in regards to growing soy beans in the Amazon, “which are eaten by animals!” I believe the For argument wins.
"if it's got a pulse, I can cook it"... meat has obviously affected Adrian Richardson's ability to rationalise.
If you wanna use ethics as your main argument you really should be vegan as the dairy and egg industry is responsible for its fair share of suffering, pain and exploitation.
OMG!! Just by listening to the vegan side, these people show such an intelligence, in words, atittude, thinking wooww just for this fact I feel instant emphaty to their message, and Philip Wollen is a heroe, a true heroe, MY HEROE!!! All of you powerful clever vegan people are heroes whom I so much admire, cause at the beginning it is certainly a bit heavy leaving the meat off the menu - heavy for our taste which is used to it - but after some time, we start to live more responsibly not just in terms of nutrition, but we also acquire a good discipline and self teaching skills to apply in other aspects of our lives. I have being a vegan for 3 years now, no cow, fish, pork or piggies, birds or any derivative products from them at all, my hemoglobin is 16.7 (past month test), never ever felt better, I am in my weight, my heart is so strong I can exercise to my extreme with no issues at all, just health everywhere, God Bless The Vegan Lifestyle!!!!!!
Perfect
It's odd that the third guy on the pro-meat side said he killed a sheep with his 'vegetarian dad' and then they ate it? How is that a vegetarian dad??? Deluded or lying??
"The brutes and the bullies have been Goliath, but David is coming. Maybe he's in this room; maybe he's one of you; and if not you-who, and if not now-when?" 1:42:21
I literally cry when I think of these animals. Not many care, no one loves them. It’s heart wrenching to think how they are exploited and treated.
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"Every morsel of meat is slapping the tear-stained face of a hungry child". Powerful statement.
Meat is better for any kid than bread.
@@toni4729 I doubt it since you couldn't put a simple sentence together correctly!
@@rescuerhonda777 Are you always so rude? Ok I didn't watch what I was typing and my eyesight is very poor, I'm seventy years old and apart from my inherited eyes, my health is very good. OK? I change one letter. Bad typing. Not bad English. And certainly not rude.
And to add to what I said. There is everything in meat. We're made of meat. If you want to live on flour and water, fine, it won't feed starving child.
If it were not for your meat-fed mother and grandmother, you wouldn't even be here.
watching this debate in 2019... the arguments in favour of animal agriculture have not withstood the test of time (and are actually laughable now)
The meat eater cook sounds like such a loser omg
Its been laughable 🤣
We as a species have broken the natural world with intensive agriculture and our "modern" life style, attempting to argue for animal husbandry for "ecological reasons" is just insane. Also you can never be justify torture and abuse, which is what we do to animals. Vegan is the only rational choice from an ethical, health and environmental view. I am ashamed of how humans treat the world, plants, animals and each other.
+Michael Wood Well said.
+Caroline Burton I take it by your avatar that you "own" a cat. What right do you have to enslave another animal???
No, I don't have a cat right now, but I have been enslaved by various cats in the past. And I agree with you, the "pet" industry is disgusting, but it's there and until we can close it down I'll continue to pick up the lost and broken victims of it.
you perpetuate the pet industry by using the services it provides. The cruelty will never end until all "pets" are exterminated.
Most Vegans are Pro abortion, the mean obscene killing machine ? ? ? Save the animals , terminate the fetuses and embryos ? ? ? This is Deathical not Ethical , of the youngest and defence less generations .!
Brilliant debating from pro meat off menu argument & loved the audiences input as even against speaker's where more diligent than the smirking woman on the panel 👋👋
It is amazing how a good debate shedding light on truth can change the minds of naysayers! Yes, keep animals off your plate!
No bloody way.
Her whole speech was ridiculous. She was smiling throughout Phillip Wollen’s fantastic speech and did not clap when he finished. That says a lot about her arrogance.
The pro meat-eating arguments rest on the idea that animals are necessary commodities to sustain culture, tradition, etc.-debunked by the animal rights theory
The forces of goodness and justice will always be stronger and carry more power than those of selfishness and greed.
As a meat eater, I wanted to hear some arguments against vegetarianism, but those were pathetic. Is there really nobody, who could better represent the "against" side? Is that it? Are those abominations the best arguments that can be made?
If there are in fact "humanitary slaughtering" the companies should promote tours for kids and tourists, right?
Round 2 of this debate is desperately needed and long overdue. The brilliance of Phillip, the intelligence of Peter and the subtleness of Veronica were unmatched. They ate this debate up and clearly the majority of the audience agrees.
Bende Mark. I agree with you. Well said. The opposition was completely demolished. As Philip said "We had an extra member in our team. "Truth".
It genuinely warms my heart to hear how much louder the audience cheered for the pro-health and compassion speakers than for the pro-meat speakers 🥰🌱 Go vegan 🥑 ❤️🐷
The guy who yelled out at 1:38:04 while the point was being made that the destruction of the amazon is caused by soy farmers is right; it's almost all to feed cattle. It takes many thousands of pounds of food and water over a cow's lifetime before we can eat them. Wildlife is destroyed by farming. Farming crops can pollute heavily and use a lot of water. If you think that is an issue, then you should be all for reducing the billions of animals we feed billions, possibly trillions of pounds of grain and water each year. The vast majority of it all ends up excreeted, urinated, or exhaled out anyways. Great job to the "pro" team for their well-prepared arguments grounded in logic and compassion. It's sad that being vegan is seen by some as an extreme form of compassion. To me, not killing someone who doesn't want or need to die should be the bare minimum ethical value for all humans.
Our intestines are "proof" that we are vegetarians.
If I wasn’t already vegan Peter and Philip speech would have made me vegan in the spot. That was powerful 👏
Andrea Gonzalez. Delighted to meet another vegan. You are right. The opposition team was so deceitful and mean-spirited. They were soundly thrashed.
@@kaemcolm5455 Completely agree!
dont care + didnt ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe copedon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re probably white + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur momdon’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your’re a full time discordian + not funny didn’t laugh + you’re* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + your gay + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ur mom + unknown + random + biased + racially motivated + kys + ur unfunny +ratio don’t care + didn’t ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + so bad + so ass
phillip needs a fucking medal. thank you phillip for being on the panel!!!!!
In Jainism the underlying principle is to minimize violence. There are life forms from single sense to five senses. Animals and humans both have five senses and so are equal in the intensity of violence. Keep your own book of accounts. One is only responsible for the level of violence one commits. Be well what ever you do
this is what the Internet is made for. im vegetarian for 2 years and now finaly im vegan for now 7 month. now i can watch this insane good Video! thank!
DerKopfhörerTyp This speech will definitely interest you!
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These people just don't get it. They STILL speak as "food resources" instead of animals... -.-
They still need to grow spiritually and intellectually, i feel sad for them...
"I love eating meat">> "I love unnecessarily eating the sentient beings who trembled fearfully, was scared for their life, didn't want to die, but had to prepare for their throat to be slitted by us, insentient beings, who didn't give a single thought about what we're doing will cause excruxiating pain and suffering. "
The ignorance of those advocating meat is striking! A complete set of anecdoters!
Phillip Wollen you're a rockstar!!
Please share this video... Doesn't matter if you are for or against eating meat... just share it, and let people access this information and decide for themselves!! This is vital information for our future, and the future of our planet!
GO VEGAN!! Love the shout at the end and yes, this is the best thing you can do today if you are concerned at all for the future of our planet. Or like some mentioned below, become a cannibal :P LOL
I have been vegan for a little over 4 months now and I have to say, cannibalism is the only way I would ever eat meat again. lol Hell he said over his cold dead body, I think he was volunteering himself. JK he doesn't even look tasty. #vegan4life