What's inside this 34 Year Old Quadzilla Engine? (Major Damage)
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- What's inside this 34 Year Old Quadzilla Engine? (Major Damage)
#quadzilla #banshee #2stroke
Chapters
0:04 - Pulling The Bottom End
3:03 - Tearing Down The Bottom End
7:50 - Splitting The Cases
9:13 - Inspecting This Internals
12:45 - Closing
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Clutch basket looks pretty fresh. You said budget build, I would recommend you have the crank rebuilt and replace both crank bearings at a minimum. I would not run those with having had that much trash in there.
I agree. It’s most likely needs balanced and trued after damage like that.
That's definitely a must do. Hopefully he's smart and does that
I agree. It's something that I would love to get my hands on and I would spare no expense to restore her to her full potential.
@@jeffgayzose8129 Mike Sabo knows his shit.
@@ericbrandenburg8583 I'm not questioning that, more of if he's going to cheap out or not
It'll be nice to see this thing sing again. From the looks of the back tires I wouldn't be surprised if it's destruction was caused by roasting the tires on pavement.
Never hurt it lol
These tear down and re assemble videos are my favorite, idk why it’s just satisfying!
Water pump bolt is a reverse thread bolt lol sure u know that by now!
Btw, only the clutch side of the cases is sleeved from the factory.
Damn got him lol....
Ya the Suzuki factory manual would have said so too
Yo! you just saved me a possible YUGE headache ! I just finished replacing my inner clutch hub on my 03 CR250R. I forgot to bend the tabs on the washer over onto the center nut. As soon as I saw you tapping those tabs over to take the hub out, I thought "OH SHIT! I FORGOT TO BEND THOSE TABS OVER!". I immediately went out and drained the oil, took the cover off, re-torqued the nut and bent the tabs over.
Thanks!!!
I don't know if you seen it but at 10:00 when your showing the damage there's another crack at the top and a little bit towards the right. also I love your videos and keep up the great work man.
SaaaaaaBooooooo another truly informed video.
Thank you Brother.
Can't wait to ride with you and Lil Jon. A man can dream.
All the phillips heads had me nervous for you lol
Hey man, I see you seriously changed the video quality and editing techniques I like it!
Poor poor zilla.. glad to see shes getting exhumed from the dead and brought back to life.
Gonna be a beast!! Probably the baddest quad to date!!
It pretty neat how years and years later how much the inside of Suzuki engine’s still look very similar
Awesome content. I’m really surprised you don’t have more subscribers. Your channel rock!!
yep, this is the best thing going on with TH-cam right now. Can't wait to see this beast come back to life.
Man one day I would love to restore a quadzilla one day. Especially a 1990. But those are long gone in the midwest.
Please strip the paint off that motor
Let me blast those cases! I did a few of those exact cases in the past and they come out beautiful
Great video Sabo, you never let me down.
I love how even the inside of this motor is blue!! 😁😁
You split those cases, my anxiety shot through the roof!😂 it’ll be cool too see it come back!👍
Love to see you do a Honda XR series
Can't wait to see this thing rip!!!
Another AMAZING project underway. Keep up the great work my guy.
How do you know how to put all that stuff back...when you take it apart quickly? I usually take a ton of pics and try to label stuff....what's your plan?
Dude I can't wait for the bike..
Your talent with graphic design would be epic..
Goodluck love the channel
I just rechecked the vid, I would check thr service specs and see what feeler gauge is supposed to fit between lower rod end and crank web. Looks like thr crank walked on the pin alot!!! Could be how its supposed to be but id deff check it out. I mean if it checks out, and true/weld it. Flush out the mains and rod bearings good u could easily send it. Idk I'm like 50/50 on it lol. I rebuilt a banshee motor once with a used crank, honed thr jugs, wet sanded the pistons with a block and 600 grit, same ole rings, all new gaskets and seals, and she ran mint. 135psi in ea. She ran so sweet. 1st kick bike every time.
Now that the series is over, I've learned that the zilla is notorious for having quite a bit of play in the lower rod bearing; it still runs strong to the best of my knowledge so I think it was good! And dude, there's just something about getting a machine to run great when you re-use/refinish all the old stuff and it still goes perfectly lol.
ill get the popcorn for this one, do your stuff.
Just looks like they just used a little too much sealer on the cases. It's one of those semi-drying gasket makers like HondaBond or ThreeBond. Cant wait to see what you do to this beast!
Stroker crank time it looks to me!
just put my bottom cases together on my yfz450 and the crankshaft is a bit tough to rotate is this normal?
its my first time, dosent seem or sound like its rubbing on anything either
hyped for this build Sabo! u better kill it or we gona be MAD! lololol
Did your ocd kick in when the coolant fell? Lol 😂 I love watching
Ok, so the blue impact is a good match for the 500, I only own Honda red impacts, no stupid reverse threads! Lol motor looks pretty prime inside, looks like motoseal or utlra gray sealant, nothing wrong with a little motoseal or Hondabond ht on case gaskets, especially on old cases. Could be a cool build if you have a lt500 master do some porting a pipe and 44mm lectron, otherwise a decent big bore Honda will take it, have seen a rare 70+ hp lt out there, and maybe even a near 80hp lt, they are rare and badass. Should be a cool build! Have you done case repairs? It’s an art, for and experienced welder, or lots of motoseal will be in need! Lol
Skirt looked really thin probably was on its last size overbore or close. Done few of those engines pretty simple 🔧🔧 nice job
could you tell me the measurements of the swing arm shaft i have 1 but some one stole me parts and the shaft was 1 of them and iv been looking for that shaft mounts and can’t find anything
My guess - rings weren’t gapped correctly, buddy ran it wide open, rings expanded and hit the power valve or the power valve wasn’t shimmed correctly - destroying the rings lands and then the piston, and finally the cylinder skirt. Probably made, clack clack clack noise for about 3 seconds.
My buddy rebuilt a ski-doo and forgot to gap the rings, and that’s exactly what happened to his engine. I was there for it, when it blew, wasn’t there for the rebuild.
Good build
Hey Mike I’ve got the original frame to our LT500 if you need it was gonna use it to throw a gsxr 600 but plans have changed also have a lt250r frame from a restored build I don’t need and possibly a few other things I’m in Mass I have a few things I’m looking to probably part with since the property is being sold so shops closing down. Haven’t had time to do much on the hybrid ltz400 but I did post a short vid of it running check it out things done just need to put all the goodies on times been hard to get to it might sell that too
No one mentioned prying the cases apart with a screwdriver lol other than that its a pretty good tear down video
ive used loctite 515 to seal my lt250r crank cases. its much better than yamabond. and fixing them cases is a easy fix. ive fixed alot of broke bike cases from chain damage.
Cant wait to see this thing rip 🤙🤙
You should get a z400 for the next quad wars
Ey mike can you rebuild my Quadzilla lt500 I bought it but engine is locked up previous owner says was left outside for 4 years
That Zilla could never compare to my 450ski!!!!!!
I know you have a disclaimer at the beginning of your vids, and I watch every single 1, but come on bro, screwdriver between engine hallves, as we say in South Africa, Eish!
the runny stuff is permetex gasket maker motoseal...
You should get a quadzilla
That Irreversable bolt Gott u a subscribe!
Gotta be care that’s a reverse thread, snaps the water pump reverse threaded bolt
not gonna lie i thought the clutch side was going to be ....super clapped considering the other damage
I was at the track one day and the guy had a quadzilla 500 and I was on a 97 YZ125 and he wanted to race me around the track and I spanked him
Everything is a budget build, jeez.....
Damit
Before welding I would recommend you soak those cases and acetone for several hours maybe even a day or two. Bake them in the oven at 200 for a couple hours, then put them back in the acetone for a while. Welding cast aluminum can be pretty tricky to begin with.
100% this!!!
I just went through this with my Blaster. Counter balancer bearing went and the Balancer punched a silver dollar size hole in the crank pocket. Brake clean the crap out of it, bake at 200F(make sure you put the cases in the oven when COLD so they warm up slowly along with the oven)
Built up the cases with the TIG, hand filed and lapped. I also removed half the mass of the counter balancer just so it knows who's boss. Went with a Namura piston and so far I have nothing but good things to say about them.
She runs better than when new now.
@@ianrochon1728 or just buy another case...its a blaster lol
@@willybman3723 Its a quadzilla not a blaster. Big boy 500 right there 🤟
@@willybman3723 Raised on a farm. That's not how I was shown to do things.
Quadzilla cases are not aluminum, the are a magnesium alloy, but otherwise, yes they are very tricky to weld
Damn mike. I give you mad props for doing the jobs you do. Your very good and precise about it. Your like me love tinkering with engines mainly atv or dirtbikes.
John got robbed 🤣 he's so gullible always buying clapped junk. " I think it was a good deal" 😂🤣
Still worth it it’s a fucking zilla
He seen zilla and that was it just like the kx500
Worth it all day💰💰💰
$2500 for basically a roller that needs bearings and bushings? Back end is bent. Plastics are shot. Ohhh kaayyy
@@downsouth701 blows my mind the guys so clueless. Just like his last video didn't know anything about the 500 class. That kx is a total heap.
Get a Paul Turner pipe for this thing they sound awesome
Love the details bro... you always take your time...
Awesome video I like how you took step-by-step by tearing the motor down pretty knowledgeable pretty cool cool I always loved who is loved the quadzilla
I would not sink any money into that without getting undamaged cases first. Yeah you could repair them but that thing is gonna have serious pressure and force on it. Also, not spending the 150$ or so to have the big end bearing of the crank redone is also a mistake. I understand being on a budget, but sometimes things come to a point where trying to skimp on serious shit like cranks ir center cases and then inevitably dumping a substantial amount of money on top, you could end up just throwing away the money spent on the from crank failing or crank chamber blowing out from the damage it got from the skirt that dropped. As I said last time, owning a zilla is a luxury and should be treated as such, its already not the greatest design in a number of ways and I just personally feel skimping on the bottom is just asking for future problems and a total lack of reliability. With all that said, im a huge fan of the channel, I hope it continues to compound and grow for you because you've put the time and effort in and you deserve, and beyond that you always have high quality, well edited content. Vintage bike life is an expensive one, just ask me, I have maybe 40 machines and they're just money pits and I don't sell them but they are my passion. If you guys are ever near upstate NY area, you should get in touch with me and I can let you guys see some real deal shit.
Connecticut here bud! Got a 87 zilla myself an man this thing is a rocket but very fragile in ways as it’s a 34yr old machine 🤘🏼
Can't wait to see it back to life
Fixed lots of case's worse than that. Fill with weld ,grind/file back to good 🔧🔧 have lots of pics of one's I've done if need ideas or anything
And the moment you have piston pieces in the crank, no bearing is saveable, big end, mains, all need replaced
I’m really liking the difference in editing and video quality bro but your super balsy with that impact man lol
Grape ape fuck yea dude I wanna see the number plates say 420🛴
The Suzuki cases are soft from the factory. My cousin raced a 500 for yrs. Legend quad for sure!
This will be another run for an hour before it blows build by mike.
Why the hate man? People make mistakes he seems too have progressed a lot in his engine building skills in the past years time
Deff service it up right. The money it cost to rebuild a crank, u can get a new hot rods crank and they come with new mains. Do NOT want another grenade a few months or a year as r down the road lol. M.o. anyways. I know ull be fine either way. Those mains prob r fine, but its like....ehhhhh....haha everything looks good though!!!
I hear you there man; I probably would have replaced a bit more but it turned out good and to the best of my knowledge it's still running strong; we ran her pretty hard in the dunes!
That’s a lot of damage!
Nice pick up..
Every 5 tanks of gas ⛽
Was a new set of tires on my old LT500R.
Duncan racing has an amazing
Engine kit.. for the 500. I highly recommend it...
Every 5 tanks? 😵
Congratulations on 70k
Bro look around for some used cases
in the time 6:27 where those gears out of time? i see that the dots dont align. idk what they are for tho.
Bottom gear is the crank upper gear is the crank counter balance. The dots are suppose to align, that one is definitely not aligned. If it was run that way possibly contributed to the sleeve failure as they will vibrate like mad.
Always fun to watch
MIchael I love this...thanks man. I have a 1990 Zilla.
That sauce for the case sealer is permatex moto seal, its a very thin sealant, so it runs.
Was a bit skeptic with it for my Blaster full rebuild vs Yamabond but Motoseal is great stuff. Just have to apply it with your finger to both cases and let it tack-up a bit before assembly.
Went for a full send 215km trail day last Sunday and man, I will vouch for the stuff now. Tight like a tiger she is!
@@ianrochon1728 don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure the Honda bond and yamabond is just the rebranded permatex stuff. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Hi Mike !!
I have a suggestion to help with seeing down into dark, shadowed areas with the recording device, and not seeing much. Strap on a mini head lamp ?!?
Hold on, keep reading, lol !
I occasionally use a couple different cheap ones, they were free or around $5.00. Not uncomfortable for short periods, a few minutes for me. They are easily off & back on head. Hang just about anywhere with all that elastic, and I spread em around, hate tool hunting !!!
I found cheapies with the on/off switch on the top of them, sliding left and right. Very easy to switch left and right, on, off, and strobe function in the other direction on a couple. The lamps with push buttons tend to fail quickly for me, so I stick with sliding switches lamps.
So quick and simple to to get light directly where you want it, when you need it.
So, for your video's, pull on the light, get it as comfortable as possible, hold you recording device as you would while recording, Then Pre-Align, or aim the light beam where you know you'll need it while recording, do a few quick dry runs, then when you take a look for your faithful viewers we can see as well as you do:-)
after the shoot is done with the light, you can just slip it off and toss it before you are being recorded yourself if you don't want to be seen wearing it ? Not a really kool look even though they work great when you don't have that 3rd arm ! No one track mind replies to that comment please, this is a family channel !
What the neck, give it a try if you haven't already ?
Keep up the great shows !!!
Hey mike! I got a question about the FCR 39 carb you ran on your predator. I know it was an Amazon carb so it was a fairly good price, that being said how is it performing? Good quality? I was thinking about getting one for my Ltz 400 but don’t want it to let me down, thanks!
Yeah, the impeller bolt and primary nut are left hand threads. The head of the impeller bolt has "LH" on it. Easy to miss.
Whoever put this engine together doesn't know how to time the balancer. Also, you're right, they used too much sealant. And they used crap fasteners for the stator and LH shift drum bearing retainer.
Actually, the correct material for the main bearing inserts is plastic! Jerry Hall, the master of the Quadzilla, did a lot of testing, with aluminum, steel, brass, etc. while the Quadzilla was still being made! He determined that some sort of plastic is the correct stuff to use. Seems wrong, but it is correct!
Hi again,
Another option would be just Velcro tab, a mini flashlight directly to the recording device ? I can't picture it be stable though, and again, keep on going with your great shows, a lot of people are learning a lot from you !!!!! 5 stars !!!
I had an 87 lt250r that had the same thing happen, trust me do the bottom end, it’s not much for Bearings, you don’t want to go backwards after you start it and hear a knocking or ticking coming from the bottom end, all I did was all bearings clutch cylinder piston rod and gaskets, with a set of boyesen reeds, bike ran like a drama.
Wow this is quite a complex machine. I'm not familiar with quad motors and such. Looks like the gear box and power plant are combined together in one package ya?
More more more lol.. hey mike you do all of your own video editing? And putting the videos together by yourself??? If so we need to get you an assistant and a video editor so you can just build, so we can get like 3 videos a week lol. Keep up the great wk can’t wait to see the next one…
I’m building mine now. Can you please say the torque specs of everything even when putting it together. Even the bolts on the frame for holding the motor.
Excellent video camera quality epic…….There must be only handful of LT left in the Uk would love to have one.
Awesome vid and edits and filming and bikes and shop
Buy a flywheel for a 1990 and save headache for something elsel .
Left hand on the water pump read the book
Thats actually a permanent gasket maker I got a tube of what I thought was grey but it was motosport or something maybe they had a bunch of defective gasket maker sent at once to part houses
The stuff the previous person used on the cases was a spray on gasket material, it looks as if it wasn’t ever really ran after it got rebuilt. Not a lot of hours anyways, just looks like it sat for a long time in the elements
Alittle tig welding and shaping, new sleeve and piston, crank bearings she'll be a monster once again great video Mike..
If u ever sell the quadzilla please contact me … my 88 zilla was stolen LOVE those quads
“Budget build” my ass
great video sabo as always , good luck with welding that case, it looks challenging..
Why wouldn't you replace the bearings since the case is apart.
That's AutoZone's gray gasket maker I use it all the time someone used way too much
Can’t wait for the next videos🤘
Its so hard to just not replace all that after seeing all the liston pieces
That sealant you call paint looks like yamabond
My case's were welded together on my 87"
Looks like a good candidate for an overhaul