THIS!! but unfortunately many hosts don't get this shit (especially in the america)😑 like it's so simple. And it will further be more disturbing and disrespectful when seventeen will grow in the western music media, all this interview and guessing will find a way to disregard their own success 😔 It's so sad but it is what it is. I'm saying this because I'm an ARMY and I witness how those western hosts will ask nonsense questions that are not related to BTS music or agenda at all and it's so frustrating😃 then once we ARMY had enough of their shit we suddenly became a toxic and war freak fandom, like are you right on your mind😤 And now this is starting again with SEVENTEEN 😔 my 13 goofy boys, I'll swear to all the living things on this earth I will not let those mother fu*ker disrespect you without a fight 🤬😤
Every time I see someone calling them a “new artist” or whatever it makes me a little bit more annoyed - Bcs they’re not new. They’ve been working their asses off for years and It just feels like calling them “new” discounts all of that hard work.
@@timewithjackson3975 exactly. BTS’s accomplishments are their own, and comparing other groups to them or them to other groups isn’t fair to anyone. BTS’s hard work paid off and they get to set precedents, but that doesn’t make any accomplishments made by other groups worth less.
Thank you ! That’s so true!! Finally someone says it !!! I totally agree! I am sick of people that knows nothing about kpop and just randomly asks stupid questions ! They really should host interviewers that have knowledge in kpop and Korea in general
He better be grateful It's Vernon and Boo isn't fluent in English. Because Vernon kills with kindness and our Boo doesn’t throw hands, he throws flying kicks.
literally like bts is bts. i dont want a new bts. i want seventeen to be seventeen, and i want all of the other groups to be themselves. not everyone has to be the next bts!!
@@iiitsnaomiii yes yes say it louder!!that's what I want to hear every group is unique in their own way and they deserve respect for that, your comment just described my feelings bruh.
Vernon received death threats for his answer, armys spoke ill about his sister, they were hating on him saying he disrespected bts when he clearly didn't. The interviewer is to be blamed here and armys were mad at Vernon for not glorifying any group and answering the question in the best possible way. It's hard to think of an answer better than the one Vernon gave so really kudos to him and he didn't deserve the hate he got for this
I didn't know it will come to that extent. I mean there is nothing wrong on what Vernon said that is whole truth, they debuted at the year of 2015 and we all know BTS is starting to bloom that time the one who is in fault, is the interviewer its seem like they didn't research
That's ridiculous. He didn't say anything wrong, period. He was asked a question on the spot and he had to answer it somehow. I don't understand this kind of obsession of certain fans, as if their fave group is sacred and no one should utter a word about them. It's not a crime to mention other groups and he was respectful.
indeed ...Vernon answer politely to the Host...and that's why he's so lucky that Vernon answer him calmly and politely...hellooo sir host don't compare its not appropriate to do that what a sheeessshhhh....
He probably has seen it coming...anything related to BTS would get them attacked. Wouldn't matter how careful Vernon was with his answer, Seungkwan has probably predicted the outcome hahaha Seungkwan is so funny...carats love him!!
Vernon answered the question really well and he didn't lie, BTS only started to grow exponentially on 2017 when DNA released. But what really irritates me is that the interviewer made it sound as if Seventeen debuted recently and got instant success as if they didn't have 7+ years under their belt Edit: I meant international recognition and popularity. I am well aware BTS was (and still is) popular in Korea and won many major awards around and before (obviously after too) 2017
Vernon gave the right answer. The host should be blamed! Me being an ARMY myself thought Seventeen deserved the best dance category in every single award show. This is so sad. Vernon deserves an apology from all the FAKE ARMYs. Namjoon and every other member taught us to be kind to others since day 1.
when Vernon said, “its crazy where “we” are right now.” I think the “We’’ was used for both them and BTS, which means that he’s happy and can’t believe that both BTS and SVT are so popular. He’s lovely, i’m not a fan but sending him love
Feel like it is for K-pop in general. I mean in 2013-2017 it really was still like something niche, like som people would judge but but end 2017 and till now really paved the way for K-pop to be more international and known!
I'm guessing these butthurted armys are probably those that just joined the fandom when BTS had peaked in popularity lmao. As an ARMY myself since 2013, I watched them grow. Vernon is right they def wasnt big back then. Back then it was those crazy groups like Big Bang, SHINee, Suju Exo etc, as a multifandom fan, this really hurts. I love Seventeen a lot and these behaviour of sending death threats are really disgusting. Leave the man alone, Vernon answered nothing but facts and he is as always respectful.
I think you are right. When I started to Stan Bts ( in end of 2019) I didn't know that they were popular.... I love for their hard work, they make me happy.... Vmas, Grammy, and other awards shows even artist like Ariana, Justin.... I know them after meeting bts. As you said now people are like "oh they are handsome, oh they are popular".... But not know meaning behind their music.they just started to call themselves Armys and started this whole mess. These so called armys are going to far. And sadly our fandom has become toxic 😔
I was actually thinking the same they didn't see the early days off bts..bts, seventeen these boy band came from a small company.. They struggled for so many things..bts seventeen came to these position after overcoming so many hardles and its really appreciatiable. So you can't disrespect one band to show love to other band. Even bts don't appreciate this kind of behaviour..
I couldn’t agree more.. I got into BTS in 2016 (accidentally) and kpop wasn’t even known in my country back then .. it’s only in 2020 when India was gripped by the kpop wave..It has been immensely satisfying as an army to witness their journey. And the fact that the boys have changed and grown so much from 2016-2020 still amazes me.. I am sure for you to witness their growth since 2013 is a whole another experience altogether.. I am you are an OG army 🤗💜
Ikr. I was an ARMY in 2014, which is a year before Seventeen debuted. I could say the top boy group when SVT debuted is EXO. So there’s nothing wrong with his answer.
The second hand embarrassment I got when he asked that to vernon like pls do some search before an interview It would be still understandable if they asked this to txt or enhyphen as BTS was already famous when they debuted and they are their seniors but asking this to SVT doesn't make any sense Really proud of Vernon for answering so bravely and stating the facts
My regards for TXT. Most joined the company in 2014/2015/2016 so BTS wasn’t that famous. And one of the reasons TXT didn’t debut until 2019 was bc BTS didn’t make enough money to debut them until then😅
@@murphie_4559 I knew txt since debute and my point was txt debuted 6 years after BTS and BTS started gaining popularity since 2016 after release of BST and till 2019 their international popularity sky rocketed due to the LY series obviously due to that bighit were able to debut TXT, TXT themselve said BTS are inspiration to them and while attending their concert during rookie days they said they want to have a concert like them ahead in their career. Meanwhile SVT debuted just after BTS won their first music show award through I Need U and they were not know outside korea
Vernon is a straight forward guy, he doesn't beat around the bushes, doesn't sugarcoat or wishwash. That's part of what makes him admirable. Maybe some of y'all were hoping for a sarcastic or sassy reply(yk like Namjoon's reply about being in the same label as Justin Bieber, that totally killed the interviewer lmao), but it's Vernon we're talking about. Good job Hansol.... you're the best boy.
They practiced for hours every day for 10 years . They became comedians just to entertain people on the spot . Fans love them because they are relatable.
As an army and a carat, I totally agree with Vernon. Seventeen also didn’t come from the big 3 and they too worked their ass off self-producing their own music to be the artists they want to be and not to be “the next BTS” Those toxic army hating on Vernon must not be aware of how rough, difficult and how mistreated BTS was during their early years since they came from a small company. Other groups were more famous than them like EXO, Big Bang, Shinee, etc
@@delaluz4356 how is that negative? the op wrote nothing but facts here. both BTS and SVT worked their ass off to be at where they are now, they even friends even bfr BTS being famous as now.
That's so quick... Because that's not witty but a fact Seventeen is seventeen and BTS is BTS.... Even if you make a comparison with your friend, that's not right.
@@Human-jt7ho sorry, even though I am any ARMY but as a CARAT that's offending.... Seventeen is also a great group... They are one of the group who produces great music and great dancers. They are the #1 in synchronisation even though they have 13 members.
Why don't people understand that he doesn't speak ill he just telling the answer when host compare them ,if someone compare you with you friend ,will you fell safe
Both SVT and BTS started somewhere. They didn't just rocket to the top overnight. Both groups worked so hard and so much to get to where they're at right now and I'm so proud of them!
100% .real armys will understand.. If you're going to check their backgrounds its almost the same. 13 boys in 1 dorm is too hard. IF YOU COMPARE THE TRAININGS THE LIFESTYLE before than today . A huge different. I swear.. so please lets not hate .love love💜💜💜❤
Can you imagine, even though our Vernonie was really careful about his answer he recieved hate. Armies bashed him for not glorifying their group. Like imagine getting hate to justify your group. Outrageous
well i am an army and i would be angry too if someone compare bts with any western artist (not kpop because no one is at their level)... host clearly deserved this answer infact he deserved way worse.
@@minnizoh by their level means they are bigger than anyone in k-pop and currently they come under one of the biggest artists in the world. And they dont just have the fame. They are hella talented but I agree with the fact that seventeen is equally talented. And about other groups you are talking about, I dont see anyone (no bg or gg) except seventeen, stray Kids, txt, enhypen and ateez who is anywhere near bts in terms of talent. Infact, txt, enhypen, ateez and stray kids still got a lot to learn but atleast they are talented unlike other groups in k-pop who are just company machines and got no talent of their own. Also I would like to include twice, gidle and fromis_9 too if we are talking about talent.
Ikr this immature army’s are everywhere,my carat heart is sooo hurty by looking back on how they send their unwanted immature disgusting msg to our boy’s,,😢
Vernon's answer was spot on, he's absolutely right. I can't believe he got so much backlash. If it was BTS being compared to another group Armies would've totally thrown the host out the window, I don't understand why Vernon was getting attacked.
Seungkwan was ready to fight y'all... I might be an army but I love seventeen enough to be a carat and to know how seungkwan will react if he knew how to talk in English
My love for vernon has increased to more than infinity pro max My man u r very lucky,thank the heavens uri Boo is not so fluent in English,I know that face that's literally the calm b4 the storm😂
Wth is wrong with these people sending death threats to Vernon 🥲. What he said is the truth. Bts wasn't big. It was not an instant journey for them and that's why I'm sooo proud. Their journey wasn't easy, yet look at em now, they turn the table on em and stand on top. Bts wasn't from a big company, they started from 0, and so is Seventeen. They work hard to achieve the almost impossible dream. And they did achieve it. Both groups hv their own unique concepts, their own colors and their own goals. No one should compare the two.. What's wrong with saying, "at the time bts wasn't as big as now". It just prove bts talent and hard work, armies should be proud .. SEVENTEEN FIGHTING!! ☺🤟
it only caused a fight bc army took it out of context and made it seem like vernon was disrespecting bts when he simply stated what’s true. it’s ridiculous. and with all the hate and death threat he got?? so uncalled for.
if the other group’s fans find this disrespectful even more to attack and throwing threats, they really just denying facts or simply showing where their brain is at.
An idol saying that other idol have worked hard too is such a mesmerizing moment. Vernon speaks about how bts has worked hard to go up there at the top like he really appreciate them... that interviewer was slapped hard by kimchi on his face🤣🤣
@@eunicesalomon735 for me!! 1. Seventeen 2.stray kids 3. Enhypen 4. Twice 5. Black pink 6. Txt 7. Treasure 8. BTS It's not like skz r not,they r also shining in their own way too💛
@@myfavourites4298 for me too!! 1. BTS 2. Twice 3. Txt 4. Mamamoo 5. New Jeans (great songs for a debut) 6. Nmixx (their vocals are so good) 7. Enhypen (hee and sunoo) 8. Seventeen (seungkwan and hoshi) I thought you’re gonna put skz on the top spot since your dn includes skz 💛
Seventeen debuted in 2015. BTS mainly started gaining popularity around 2016 after I need u which later skyrocket around 2018-2019 internationally cuz of boy with luv. Although bts was famous for a rookie group in SK. Most of the rookie grp at that time look up to SHINee, SNSD, Bigbang , 2pm, woundergirl and such. So there was no point of asking question like this or if anything the question would be more appropriate for 4th group seeing as *they* actually look up to bts. but mentioning other artist in another artists interview is disrespectful
@@sarahmaric4125 well exo debuted in 2012 which was only a year before BTS. Even though they were quite popular I don't think many 3 gen grp look up to them again it's more appropriate to say that 4 gen grp look up to them so I wouldn't say exo was a grp for seventeen to look up to
@@istolejiminsjamsbecausenam4044 No actually exo was very popular around 2015 and yes big bang was very popular too but shinee, 2pm and wonder girls wasn't that popular around 2015 I think they used to really popular around 2009-2013. As far i remember people used to compare seventeen with suju and exo coz they both have Chinese members and they were the groups with most members by the time
@@sarahmaric4125 you could be right. I said that cuz just as you said the grps I mentioned were already well known by that time so most rookie grps look up to them for they have seen them at the peek of their golden days when they were younger exo on the other hand was still on the way to reach their much deserved stardom when they debuted. BTW I'm not hating on exo or denying their popularity
Vernon absolutely slayed that answer… he forgets to realize they debuted around the same time and are both 3rd gen groups under the same label .. they both evenly have succeeded and grown as artist.
Seventeen is seventeen okay? They have nothing to do with bts. Seventeen are amazing on their own. They worked so hard and paved they own way to the top. bts is not a standard, it’s just another group.
And what level is bts? Having more English speaking fans? If you look at the music and performances of the groups, seventeen is nothing less than bts. In my opinion, seventeen could be better because all their songs are created by their own members. Woozi is credited as the first producer for all of their songs. They even made many of their choreography. I’m so mad that people are not recognizing the talents and hard work of seventeen. I hope all seventeen members know they they are already the best in the heart of carats. ❤❤
These western interviewers are the biggest reason to why the biggest kpop fandoms get onto e.o neck... trust me if they stop meddling, the world will heal. Kpop by it's name itself is enough to bring up hard-core criticizers. And these people go their way out to belittle kpop artists. I wish atleast kpop stans don't give e.o hard times and appreciate the fact that a grp having same backstory as their ults is achieving heights....
ok but saying bts is « just another group » is wild. « And what level is bts » lmao ?? Y’all can’t appreciate both groups without comparing or diminishing one ? What’s the difference between you and the host now ? And this is extremely hypocritical considering how you got whole BTS playlists saved on your account just to discredit them after.
@lovebeinganintrovert are you dumb? The original comment said that armys are hating on him. So I said whoever is hating I'm gonna throw hands. I just expressed my anger I didn't mean it literally... And I didn't even mention you, so why are you asking me?
I'm really happy by the way Vernon replied to host, some "delusional and toxic armys" hated on him for this and I really apologize on behalf of that immature ppl, they are not even army if they can't even understand the situation so I hope no one will hate on us true armys.
BTS and Seventeen both were come from small companies, they worked hard to reached at this level.... Vernon answer was not disrespectful towards bts , he handled the situation well.... I don't know why don't you guys ( toxic armys) use your common sense. Hate on each and every thing is really disgusting. I sincerely apologize to Vernon and carats on behalf of these kids.
I agree with vernon. Of course bts is one of the greatest. But they weren’t from the first day. Bts worked hard and gain credibility gradually. And svt debuted Only a few years after Bts. So it’s completely okay if they hadn’t had the chance to idolise BTS at that time.
I remember very clearly, I watched BTS for the first time during their rookie day. It was on SBS Gayo Daejun 2013. Yes they were so famous for a rookie but it was in South Korea and maybe Asia. Their popularity had not been like they are now. I like their music, the powerful dance, the swag. Back at those times Bigbang was still on top. Bigbang was my fav one since 2012. You know what Seventeen even had not debuted yet. They debuted in 2015 from not a big company. They didn't wore any outfit with "lux brands" (sorry I didn't mean to hurt my boys 😭) Even I was not into them (that was my bad) I started into them during the left and right era in 2020. I watched everything about them. Their journey is amazing 👍🏼 They are so precious. So don't comparing one to another "different" group. BTS is a whole thing 👌🏼 Seventeen for me is a blessing! I found my fangirling spirit again because of them. For the all fandom, stop doing any silly war! From the video Vernon is just so realistic and he was real. He's cool. It's just Vernon being Vernon. He's a Vernon I knew. For the interviewer, you shouldn't asking that question. Even one of the member from BTS is a friend of Mingyu, DK and the8. The both are not doing a competition btw 😅 so please respect each other 🙏🏼
Ikr. Fans should stop throwing hate to each other and other groups when their favs are actually friends with them. All these hates are just plain stupid 🙁🙁
@@hivbz i still remember that one time when v can't stop playing with jeonghan's hair during isac back in the day, and v also mentioned to the mc at to interview joshua too since he's also '95 liner and has the same birthday as v... That's so sweet of him actually
When you guys are fighting over the answers, Mingyu said to JK " my bro answered just like that." JK replied "Cool answer ! you should learn from him too"
@@khushijain7723 I think they're talking about as Mingyu and JK both are in 97 liners group. So both are friends. They're just implying that BTS and seventeen are friends, so no need to fight between two fandoms. I Hope this answers your question
VERNON REALLY MEANT IT IN A GOOD WAY, I'M AN ARMY TOO BUT I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE TOXIC FANS THEY LITERALLY TWIST OTHER GROUPS WORDS. WHAT VERNON MEANT WAS SIMPLE THAT BTS REALLY GREW, NOT EVERYONE STARTS SUCCESSFULLY, BTS OVERCAME DIFFICULTIES, SEVENTEEN TOO, BOTH WENT THROUGH DIFFRENT THINGS THEY DON'T NEED TO BE COMPARED! I FEEL SO SORRY FOR VERNON TO ANSWER SUCH QUESTION, THE HOST IS AT FAULT!
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if only our Boo was fluent in English, this interviewer would go home in tears I swear! lmao
Yess ✨
Uri sassy boo would definitely gave him benefitting reply ..
I know seungkwan looked like he wanted to answer so bad but the language barrier was the problem 😭😭
He must be saying it in his mind
Diva boo🙄💅🏼
boo is boo , he can make anyone cry with his words🤣
RULE 1: DON'T.👏 COMPARE. 👏ARTISTS. 👏WITH.👏 OTHER. 👏ARTISTS. 👏
Preach .👏Louder.👏
Period 🤌👏
Exactly, thank u for this comment 😌😫👍
Agreed. This is just so heartbreaking that every artists needs to be compared like this. Comparison is really a thief of joy. 😢
THIS!! but unfortunately many hosts don't get this shit (especially in the america)😑 like it's so simple. And it will further be more disturbing and disrespectful when seventeen will grow in the western music media, all this interview and guessing will find a way to disregard their own success 😔 It's so sad but it is what it is.
I'm saying this because I'm an ARMY and I witness how those western hosts will ask nonsense questions that are not related to BTS music or agenda at all and it's so frustrating😃 then once we ARMY had enough of their shit we suddenly became a toxic and war freak fandom, like are you right on your mind😤 And now this is starting again with SEVENTEEN 😔 my 13 goofy boys, I'll swear to all the living things on this earth I will not let those mother fu*ker disrespect you without a fight 🤬😤
He lucky he was talking to Vernon😭
For real. Imagine if it was Shua 😆
@@HluteinotHluteii flashbacks to weekly idol…
Scoups....
@@souheki_nah whag 😨😭😭
Professor Boo 😰😰
If scoups was there then it's the host's last breath of fresh air
or minghao, he was have been torn to shreds
@@daeundancesif hoshi was there he would make a diss track on the host😂
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@@05kbs70lmaooo
They would’ve done nothing, they’re Koop idols, they’re not about to start some dumb shit 😂
The host makes it sound like they debuted yesterday 😐
Exactly! The question is so controversial. 🙄 Like SVT has been around for a while. And they have worked hard too just like every other group.
Every time I see someone calling them a “new artist” or whatever it makes me a little bit more annoyed - Bcs they’re not new. They’ve been working their asses off for years and It just feels like calling them “new” discounts all of that hard work.
@@michaela2191 Frrr
Even if they did I still feel bad for every other kpop artist who now has to have their popularity compared to BTS
@@timewithjackson3975 exactly. BTS’s accomplishments are their own, and comparing other groups to them or them to other groups isn’t fair to anyone. BTS’s hard work paid off and they get to set precedents, but that doesn’t make any accomplishments made by other groups worth less.
bro he rly thought svt debuted days ago💀💀
Ong ☠️☠️☠️
Fr💀💀💀the audacity
Come on everyone knows they're called seventeen because they debuted 17 days ago 🙄
@@neoctsailor actually they’re called seventeen cause they are all 17 like get it right 🙄
@@ariannacolquhoun7538 my bad i must've mixed them up with day6 😥
they need to be interviewed by people who actually know kpop 😭
Thank you ! That’s so true!! Finally someone says it !!! I totally agree!
I am sick of people that knows nothing about kpop and just randomly asks stupid questions ! They really should host interviewers that have knowledge in kpop and Korea in general
Exactly! When fans interview kpop groups it turns out 10xs better
or who’ve actually done common research before interviewing like that was mad embarrassing for him lmfao
Moreover people that are in their respective fandoms, that arent toxic
@@Ionlyeatchipzeverydayikr
It should be that way
He better be grateful It's Vernon and Boo isn't fluent in English. Because Vernon kills with kindness and our Boo doesn’t throw hands, he throws flying kicks.
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“OmG dId yOu eVeR tHiNk yOu cOuLd bE tHe nExT bTs” literally every interviewer to any kpop group
Why they need to the next BTS like even if it indicates popularity still BTS is BTS and Svt is Svt
literally like bts is bts. i dont want a new bts. i want seventeen to be seventeen, and i want all of the other groups to be themselves. not everyone has to be the next bts!!
BTS is just overrated junk since 2018
@@iiitsnaomiii yes yes say it louder!!that's what I want to hear every group is unique in their own way and they deserve respect for that, your comment just described my feelings bruh.
@@iiitsnaomiii that's some matureness right here love you for that ❤
Vernon received death threats for his answer, armys spoke ill about his sister, they were hating on him saying he disrespected bts when he clearly didn't. The interviewer is to be blamed here and armys were mad at Vernon for not glorifying any group and answering the question in the best possible way. It's hard to think of an answer better than the one Vernon gave so really kudos to him and he didn't deserve the hate he got for this
I'm also an army & i don't think vernon said anything wrong.
I didn't know it will come to that extent. I mean there is nothing wrong on what Vernon said that is whole truth, they debuted at the year of 2015 and we all know BTS is starting to bloom that time
the one who is in fault, is the interviewer its seem like they didn't research
That's ridiculous. He didn't say anything wrong, period. He was asked a question on the spot and he had to answer it somehow. I don't understand this kind of obsession of certain fans, as if their fave group is sacred and no one should utter a word about them. It's not a crime to mention other groups and he was respectful.
I am also an ARMY,and I think Vernon was right and that idiot host was just pathetic
I am also a army and I don't think he said anything wrong
I can't believe there are ppl who hate Vernon instead of the host 💀💀💀
no way really??💀
💀 i can't
indeed ...Vernon answer politely to the Host...and that's why he's so lucky that Vernon answer him calmly and politely...hellooo sir host don't compare its not appropriate to do that what a sheeessshhhh....
@@svtrrain yup 💀
Tf, Are there any people who hate vernon ???🤬🤬
Vernon is so good at dealing with the stupid questions props to him
Thanks to all cringey fan calls lol
I just love Seungkwan's face when he heard that disrespectful question 😭
My thoughts exactly
He was like "did I hear this bitch right??"
Seungkwan cant lie 😆 gotta love him!
@@jeonghanlovesjoshua He is way too his real self and can't pretend. That's his best quality.
He probably has seen it coming...anything related to BTS would get them attacked. Wouldn't matter how careful Vernon was with his answer, Seungkwan has probably predicted the outcome hahaha
Seungkwan is so funny...carats love him!!
I'm an ARMY and I'm glad Vernon answered the way he did.
Ps:- Why does DK look so cute 😭
DK is cute and naturally hella funny 😂
I agree
I am an army too and i loved how Vernon hyung answered 💞
Yeah
And he was only saying the truth so...
Dk always looks cute😀
If Boo was fluent in English, all hell would have broken loose 💀✋🏻
so true
Vernon really knows his way with his words... He gave the best possible reply any human being could give.
Vernon answered the question really well and he didn't lie, BTS only started to grow exponentially on 2017 when DNA released. But what really irritates me is that the interviewer made it sound as if Seventeen debuted recently and got instant success as if they didn't have 7+ years under their belt
Edit: I meant international recognition and popularity. I am well aware BTS was (and still is) popular in Korea and won many major awards around and before (obviously after too) 2017
Exactly, he spoke facts...
FR
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
I would say I need you also because they were gonna disband if they didn't get a win (at least that's what I heard)
@@juancarloscorrea8134 I think I Need U gained them more popularity within Korea at the time not so much internationally
Vernon gave the right answer. The host should be blamed! Me being an ARMY myself thought Seventeen deserved the best dance category in every single award show. This is so sad. Vernon deserves an apology from all the FAKE ARMYs. Namjoon and every other member taught us to be kind to others since day 1.
❤ it’s not like Vernon talked shit about BTS anyways…
@@Shazaaaaa yeah vernon's words about BTS credits their struggles
@@Shazaaaaa she didn’t tell anything offensive abt vernon. Btw I’m an army and a carat ❤
That's true
💜🙌🏽
SEVENTEEN IS SEVENTEEN BECAUSE OF SEVENTEEN.
Tbh, that was the only right way to answer this dumb question
Frrr
the way vernon answered it tho...THATS MY BOY!!!
IKR, Vernon slay
literally i so agree gj vernon
when Vernon said, “its crazy where “we” are right now.” I think the “We’’ was used for both them and BTS, which means that he’s happy and can’t believe that both BTS and SVT are so popular. He’s lovely, i’m not a fan but sending him love
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Feel like it is for K-pop in general. I mean in 2013-2017 it really was still like something niche, like som people would judge but but end 2017 and till now really paved the way for K-pop to be more international and known!
IKR I THOUGHT THE SAMEEE
I wish he said it as "when we debuted BACK IN 2015.." 😭
Seungkwan: if I know english well I'mma send u home crying!
Vernon: calm down, I'll do it for u😊
I'm guessing these butthurted armys are probably those that just joined the fandom when BTS had peaked in popularity lmao. As an ARMY myself since 2013, I watched them grow. Vernon is right they def wasnt big back then. Back then it was those crazy groups like Big Bang, SHINee, Suju Exo etc, as a multifandom fan, this really hurts. I love Seventeen a lot and these behaviour of sending death threats are really disgusting. Leave the man alone, Vernon answered nothing but facts and he is as always respectful.
I think you are right. When I started to Stan Bts ( in end of 2019) I didn't know that they were popular.... I love for their hard work, they make me happy.... Vmas, Grammy, and other awards shows even artist like Ariana, Justin.... I know them after meeting bts.
As you said now people are like "oh they are handsome, oh they are popular".... But not know meaning behind their music.they just started to call themselves Armys and started this whole mess. These so called armys are going to far. And sadly our fandom has become toxic 😔
True ...
I was actually thinking the same they didn't see the early days off bts..bts, seventeen these boy band came from a small company.. They struggled for so many things..bts seventeen came to these position after overcoming so many hardles and its really appreciatiable. So you can't disrespect one band to show love to other band. Even bts don't appreciate this kind of behaviour..
I couldn’t agree more.. I got into BTS in 2016 (accidentally) and kpop wasn’t even known in my country back then .. it’s only in 2020 when India was gripped by the kpop wave..It has been immensely satisfying as an army to witness their journey. And the fact that the boys have changed and grown so much from 2016-2020 still amazes me.. I am sure for you to witness their growth since 2013 is a whole another experience altogether.. I am you are an OG army 🤗💜
Ikr. I was an ARMY in 2014, which is a year before Seventeen debuted. I could say the top boy group when SVT debuted is EXO. So there’s nothing wrong with his answer.
The second hand embarrassment I got when he asked that to vernon like pls do some search before an interview
It would be still understandable if they asked this to txt or enhyphen as BTS was already famous when they debuted and they are their seniors but asking this to SVT doesn't make any sense
Really proud of Vernon for answering so bravely and stating the facts
I was feeling so cringe that I didn't even watched the full video for the first time
@@baldsoobinhair Ya like that interviewer was totally giving me vibe of foolishness🤮
Fr I paused before he even said bts and went to the comments💀
My regards for TXT. Most joined the company in 2014/2015/2016 so BTS wasn’t that famous. And one of the reasons TXT didn’t debut until 2019 was bc BTS didn’t make enough money to debut them until then😅
@@murphie_4559 I knew txt since debute and my point was txt debuted 6 years after BTS and BTS started gaining popularity since 2016 after release of BST and till 2019 their international popularity sky rocketed due to the LY series obviously due to that bighit were able to debut TXT, TXT themselve said BTS are inspiration to them and while attending their concert during rookie days they said they want to have a concert like them ahead in their career. Meanwhile SVT debuted just after BTS won their first music show award through I Need U and they were not know outside korea
VERNON beating the hosts ass with the most polite smile 💀🤣
I'm sorry but rn i feel seventeen is at top, they are doing amazing and I'm so happy and blessed to STAN them!
Vernon is a straight forward guy, he doesn't beat around the bushes, doesn't sugarcoat or wishwash. That's part of what makes him admirable. Maybe some of y'all were hoping for a sarcastic or sassy reply(yk like Namjoon's reply about being in the same label as Justin Bieber, that totally killed the interviewer lmao), but it's Vernon we're talking about. Good job Hansol.... you're the best boy.
Hansol is so matured. Good job
Choi Hansol, as always, SLAAAAYYYYYYEED
yOu gOtTa sEiZe ThE oPpOrTuNiTy ✨
@@Hi-ic2eq well it can also be written as Choi tho. Are you a new one to the fandom?
@@Hi-ic2eq that's how you spell his name lol but that's how you pronounce it
@@Hi-ic2eq It's the same actually
His name is hansol?
They practiced for hours every day for 10 years . They became comedians just to entertain people on the spot . Fans love them because they are relatable.
Can we stop for a second just to appreciate how adorable that "Unbelievable" sounded?
As an army and a carat, I totally agree with Vernon. Seventeen also didn’t come from the big 3 and they too worked their ass off self-producing their own music to be the artists they want to be and not to be “the next BTS”
Those toxic army hating on Vernon must not be aware of how rough, difficult and how mistreated BTS was during their early years since they came from a small company. Other groups were more famous than them like EXO, Big Bang, Shinee, etc
same
I'm surprised you are army, armies never says anything negative about bts or armies.
@@delaluz4356 She did'nt said anything negative about bts.She just said facts. Sometimes some only toxic people who call themselves army can hate 17
@@delaluz4356 Why are you even surprised.
@@delaluz4356 how is that negative? the op wrote nothing but facts here. both BTS and SVT worked their ass off to be at where they are now, they even friends even bfr BTS being famous as now.
That's so quick... Because that's not witty but a fact
Seventeen is seventeen and BTS is BTS....
Even if you make a comparison with your friend, that's not right.
EXACTLY! And both groups have worked hard to be where the are now.
Exactly BTS is BTS. It's insulting for them to be compared to every fucking kpop group
@@Human-jt7ho sorry, even though I am any ARMY but as a CARAT that's offending....
Seventeen is also a great group... They are one of the group who produces great music and great dancers. They are the #1 in synchronisation even though they have 13 members.
@@sohiyyi sorry but to me and the rest of the world they're just another kpop group
How many groups produce and synchronize and all
Why don't people understand that he doesn't speak ill he just telling the answer when host compare them ,if someone compare you with you friend ,will you fell safe
Vernon is so thoughtful to answer like that
Vernon gave the best answer !
Seungkwan: Vernon, please.
DK: ✨UnbeLiEvaBlE!✨
LMAOOO
Dk has no sense of it as something not good in my eyes sometimes.
DK is adorable ❤️❤️
Both SVT and BTS started somewhere. They didn't just rocket to the top overnight. Both groups worked so hard and so much to get to where they're at right now and I'm so proud of them!
100%
.real armys will understand.. If you're going to check their backgrounds its almost the same. 13 boys in 1 dorm is too hard. IF YOU COMPARE THE TRAININGS THE LIFESTYLE before than today . A huge different. I swear.. so please lets not hate
.love love💜💜💜❤
Period.
I think namjoon and suga might have been proud of vernon, because he gave a perfect answer to a horrible useless question.
Can you imagine, even though our Vernonie was really careful about his answer he recieved hate. Armies bashed him for not glorifying their group. Like imagine getting hate to justify your group. Outrageous
wdym there was backlash against vernon because of such a great answer to a terrible question???? 😭😭😭🖐️
well i am an army and i would be angry too if someone compare bts with any western artist (not kpop because no one is at their level)... host clearly deserved this answer infact he deserved way worse.
As an army he gave such a great answer Btw I’m a new carat also🫡💓
that’s armys for you
@@my_kpop_obsession
Their level of what??? the fame?? Cuz that's the only thing bts had more than other kpop groups.
@@minnizoh by their level means they are bigger than anyone in k-pop and currently they come under one of the biggest artists in the world. And they dont just have the fame. They are hella talented but I agree with the fact that seventeen is equally talented. And about other groups you are talking about, I dont see anyone (no bg or gg) except seventeen, stray Kids, txt, enhypen and ateez who is anywhere near bts in terms of talent. Infact, txt, enhypen, ateez and stray kids still got a lot to learn but atleast they are talented unlike other groups in k-pop who are just company machines and got no talent of their own. Also I would like to include twice, gidle and fromis_9 too if we are talking about talent.
Army sending death threats is like 3-year-olds threatening to leave home
This is the funniest shit they're crazy child's 😭
😂😂they are bunch of toxic people 💀💀
I cannot😭 You deserve top comment
Ikr this immature army’s are everywhere,my carat heart is sooo hurty by looking back on how they send their unwanted immature disgusting msg to our boy’s,,😢
armys need to srsly chill💀
Even ARMYs are proud of Vernon's Answers .
If it was Josh or Scoups, this hot would’ve run away crying like a baby🙂
Seungkwan was SHOCKED lmao wow
He literally went 😮 to DK like you seeing this shit
Vernon's answer was spot on, he's absolutely right. I can't believe he got so much backlash. If it was BTS being compared to another group Armies would've totally thrown the host out the window, I don't understand why Vernon was getting attacked.
Honestly yeah.
Armys living up to their name of most toxic fandom
the host was thrown out of the window lmfao wtf
@@Daydream_N panties in a twist over a fandom. good.
@@euphoria.yunjin touched a nerve didn't I?
Seungkwan was ready to fight y'all... I might be an army but I love seventeen enough to be a carat and to know how seungkwan will react if he knew how to talk in English
My love for vernon has increased to more than infinity pro max
My man u r very lucky,thank the heavens uri Boo is not so fluent in English,I know that face that's literally the calm b4 the storm😂
Wth is wrong with these people sending death threats to Vernon 🥲.
What he said is the truth. Bts wasn't big. It was not an instant journey for them and that's why I'm sooo proud. Their journey wasn't easy, yet look at em now, they turn the table on em and stand on top.
Bts wasn't from a big company, they started from 0, and so is Seventeen. They work hard to achieve the almost impossible dream. And they did achieve it. Both groups hv their own unique concepts, their own colors and their own goals. No one should compare the two..
What's wrong with saying, "at the time bts wasn't as big as now". It just prove bts talent and hard work, armies should be proud ..
SEVENTEEN FIGHTING!! ☺🤟
i don't understand why fans are fighting when bts and sev are best friends and supportibg each other
Seungkwan was so shocked by the question but glad Vernon without any hesitation speaks what in his mind and what's need to said
Vernon straight out of the books👏💫
every group has its own uniqueness they don't need to compare with each other they shine in their own light...
This caused a real big fight between army and carats on twitter and as an btsvt enjoyer it breaks my heart 💔
The reason why I deactivated my twitter Stan account. Toxicity is next level there
dont use twitter, ur life will be happier
@@orizadhiazwanti9344 this is so true HAHAHAHAHAHA
it only caused a fight bc army took it out of context and made it seem like vernon was disrespecting bts when he simply stated what’s true. it’s ridiculous. and with all the hate and death threat he got?? so uncalled for.
@Miss Win I'm with you
if the other group’s fans find this disrespectful even more to attack and throwing threats, they really just denying facts or simply showing where their brain is at.
SVT now hold the records for the artists with the Most PRE-ORDERED ALBUM in Kpop industry❤Highest 1st day &1st week sales in this century (4.8M)...
“WHEN WE DEBUT BTS WASN’T THE BTS OF TODAY EITHER” LOUDER MAH MAN! Why give unnecessary credits when you've built your own way of success
my guy better have felt ashamed. svt deserve an apology
An idol saying that other idol have worked hard too is such a mesmerizing moment. Vernon speaks about how bts has worked hard to go up there at the top like he really appreciate them... that interviewer was slapped hard by kimchi on his face🤣🤣
I love how Vernon answered
Dk and Kwan looked so ready to throw down and battle. Like that death stare dk had😅
People should stop comparing kpop groups because they are all unique in their own way and they’re all just beautiful inside out.❤
especially for girl groups
Boos face is so funny, like who’s gonna slap the interviewer 😂
Vernon nail it to infront of his face 😂 panot!
Gotta love how Vernon responded!
I just wanna say seventeen is the best kpop group 💯
not skz? sad :((
@@eunicesalomon735 for me!!
1. Seventeen
2.stray kids
3. Enhypen
4. Twice
5. Black pink
6. Txt
7. Treasure
8. BTS
It's not like skz r not,they r also shining in their own way too💛
@@myfavourites4298 for me too!!
1. BTS
2. Twice
3. Txt
4. Mamamoo
5. New Jeans (great songs for a debut)
6. Nmixx (their vocals are so good)
7. Enhypen (hee and sunoo)
8. Seventeen (seungkwan and hoshi)
I thought you’re gonna put skz on the top spot since your dn includes skz 💛
@@eunicesalomon735 ha ha my first place keeps changing between skz, seventeen and enhypen 🤣 my bias is heeseung too,🙋
Seventeen debuted in 2015. BTS mainly started gaining popularity around 2016 after I need u which later skyrocket around 2018-2019 internationally cuz of boy with luv. Although bts was famous for a rookie group in SK. Most of the rookie grp at that time look up to SHINee, SNSD, Bigbang , 2pm, woundergirl and such. So there was no point of asking question like this or if anything the question would be more appropriate for 4th group seeing as *they* actually look up to bts. but mentioning other artist in another artists interview is disrespectful
U forgot exo
@@sarahmaric4125 well exo debuted in 2012 which was only a year before BTS. Even though they were quite popular I don't think many 3 gen grp look up to them again it's more appropriate to say that 4 gen grp look up to them so I wouldn't say exo was a grp for seventeen to look up to
@@istolejiminsjamsbecausenam4044 No actually exo was very popular around 2015 and yes big bang was very popular too but shinee, 2pm and wonder girls wasn't that popular around 2015 I think they used to really popular around 2009-2013.
As far i remember people used to compare seventeen with suju and exo coz they both have Chinese members and they were the groups with most members by the time
@@sarahmaric4125 you could be right. I said that cuz just as you said the grps I mentioned were already well known by that time so most rookie grps look up to them for they have seen them at the peek of their golden days when they were younger exo on the other hand was still on the way to reach their much deserved stardom when they debuted.
BTW I'm not hating on exo or denying their popularity
@@istolejiminsjamsbecausenam4044BTW r u an Indian?
He gave back to him though. Smooth, subtle and savage reply.
"When we debut the BTS weren't the BTS we know now either".
Vernon is so pretty i can't ❤😭
SeungKwan is like: Do I cancel him? Yeah lemme do that🤭
Vernon absolutely slayed that answer… he forgets to realize they debuted around the same time and are both 3rd gen groups under the same label .. they both evenly have succeeded and grown as artist.
Vernon was so lovely & soft while answering that ❤ really admire his calmness 😢
Seventeen is seventeen okay? They have nothing to do with bts. Seventeen are amazing on their own. They worked so hard and paved they own way to the top. bts is not a standard, it’s just another group.
And what level is bts? Having more English speaking fans? If you look at the music and performances of the groups, seventeen is nothing less than bts. In my opinion, seventeen could be better because all their songs are created by their own members. Woozi is credited as the first producer for all of their songs. They even made many of their choreography. I’m so mad that people are not recognizing the talents and hard work of seventeen. I hope all seventeen members know they they are already the best in the heart of carats. ❤❤
These western interviewers are the biggest reason to why the biggest kpop fandoms get onto e.o neck... trust me if they stop meddling, the world will heal. Kpop by it's name itself is enough to bring up hard-core criticizers. And these people go their way out to belittle kpop artists. I wish atleast kpop stans don't give e.o hard times and appreciate the fact that a grp having same backstory as their ults is achieving heights....
ok but saying bts is « just another group » is wild. « And what level is bts » lmao ?? Y’all can’t appreciate both groups without comparing or diminishing one ? What’s the difference between you and the host now ?
And this is extremely hypocritical considering how you got whole BTS playlists saved on your account just to discredit them after.
@@imz00oo y’all fighting this host’s bitterness with reverse hate. There’s no difference between you and him now.
Someone finally said😭💎
this host be sounding goofy asf 💀
His reply was really perfect.❤️ Don't compare any group with each other they have their own struggle to reach at this position
the momwnt i wish i could give boo all my english knowledge. I know my man will make the host cry
AMRY hating because
1. Lack of education, they CLEARLY did not understood the context.
2. ARMY being AMRY - the MOST TOXIC FANDOM EVER.
Who's hating? Tell me, I'm gonna throw hands.
@lovebeinganintrovert I didn't replied to you, I replied to the original comment....
@lovebeinganintrovert are you dumb? The original comment said that armys are hating on him. So I said whoever is hating I'm gonna throw hands. I just expressed my anger I didn't mean it literally... And I didn't even mention you, so why are you asking me?
I'm sorry for being an ARMY
I'm just gonna treat you like a saint😇 All hail🙇🙇🙇
I'm really happy by the way Vernon replied to host, some "delusional and toxic armys" hated on him for this and I really apologize on behalf of that immature ppl, they are not even army if they can't even understand the situation so I hope no one will hate on us true armys.
Oh I AM SO SCARED OF USER @theperillaleafmatchmaker2550
Trump save me
BTS and Seventeen both were come from small companies, they worked hard to reached at this level.... Vernon answer was not disrespectful towards bts , he handled the situation well.... I don't know why don't you guys ( toxic armys) use your common sense. Hate on each and every thing is really disgusting.
I sincerely apologize to Vernon and carats on behalf of these kids.
Me too 😢
Becaz army is being toxic fandom now .And now i feel very cringe calling myself army .
he respectfully answered while mentioning his seniors
Vernon gave such a wise answer to such an inane statement!
Bts and Seventeen has always been one of the most precious friendships in Kpop. Who is that bald headed guy to even question such nonsense.
seungkwans face when the interviewer said that.. same 😭😭
as an army of many years and now baby carat: what the fuck.
The chilliest and honest answer EVER! BTS wasn’t the BTS they are today! Every artist works hard for their fame and success.
I agree with vernon. Of course bts is one of the greatest. But they weren’t from the first day. Bts worked hard and gain credibility gradually. And svt debuted Only a few years after Bts. So it’s completely okay if they hadn’t had the chance to idolise BTS at that time.
I got you, but it wasn’t gradual for bts. It was overnight
@@wisdomabdulaziz3694 it definitely took them time to reach the top😅😅
@@wisdomabdulaziz3694 nah it wasn't
@@x-cdebaratidutta2522 do you think 4 yrs is overnight.
@@wisdomabdulaziz3694 stop embarassing yourself
Wow Vernon was straight to the point when he said they debuted before BTS blew up. Cool guy
I fear that they didn’t “just come out the gate”your honor,I also fear we didn’t do research before we had them on the interview your honor
Vernon answered gracefully ❤
I remember very clearly, I watched BTS for the first time during their rookie day. It was on SBS Gayo Daejun 2013. Yes they were so famous for a rookie but it was in South Korea and maybe Asia. Their popularity had not been like they are now. I like their music, the powerful dance, the swag. Back at those times Bigbang was still on top. Bigbang was my fav one since 2012. You know what Seventeen even had not debuted yet. They debuted in 2015 from not a big company. They didn't wore any outfit with "lux brands" (sorry I didn't mean to hurt my boys 😭) Even I was not into them (that was my bad) I started into them during the left and right era in 2020. I watched everything about them. Their journey is amazing 👍🏼 They are so precious. So don't comparing one to another "different" group. BTS is a whole thing 👌🏼 Seventeen for me is a blessing! I found my fangirling spirit again because of them. For the all fandom, stop doing any silly war! From the video Vernon is just so realistic and he was real. He's cool. It's just Vernon being Vernon. He's a Vernon I knew. For the interviewer, you shouldn't asking that question. Even one of the member from BTS is a friend of Mingyu, DK and the8. The both are not doing a competition btw 😅 so please respect each other 🙏🏼
That one member who is friend of seventeen is jk right
@@Ujaalaa and v
@@Ujaalaa v is friends w 95 liner!
Ikr. Fans should stop throwing hate to each other and other groups when their favs are actually friends with them. All these hates are just plain stupid 🙁🙁
@@hivbz i still remember that one time when v can't stop playing with jeonghan's hair during isac back in the day, and v also mentioned to the mc at to interview joshua too since he's also '95 liner and has the same birthday as v... That's so sweet of him actually
Vernon shut him up so NICELY I LOVE THAT MY ARMYCARAT HEART
Loved Vernon's reply. ❤
Seungkwan's reaction is killing me help 😂😂😂
When you guys are fighting over the answers, Mingyu said to JK " my bro answered just like that."
JK replied "Cool answer ! you should learn from him too"
Bro what ur saying us it truee?? If yes then i'm so happyyy!!
@@khushijain7723 I think they're talking about as Mingyu and JK both are in 97 liners group. So both are friends. They're just implying that BTS and seventeen are friends, so no need to fight between two fandoms. I Hope this answers your question
@@mohiniwaghmare962 thankyou!! And yes this was the answer 🤜🤛
@@khushijain7723 mention not 🤗
i know namjoon wld be proud of vrnons answer
Kudos to Hansol for handling it so articulately.
Why do people compare?? Damn seriously?? 😢
They worked very hard, and they get this? It's fine because we're here to support them no matter what!
Vernon's answer was best. ❤
VERNON REALLY MEANT IT IN A GOOD WAY, I'M AN ARMY TOO BUT I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE TOXIC FANS THEY LITERALLY TWIST OTHER GROUPS WORDS. WHAT VERNON MEANT WAS SIMPLE THAT BTS REALLY GREW, NOT EVERYONE STARTS SUCCESSFULLY, BTS OVERCAME DIFFICULTIES, SEVENTEEN TOO, BOTH WENT THROUGH DIFFRENT THINGS THEY DON'T NEED TO BE COMPARED! I FEEL SO SORRY FOR VERNON TO ANSWER SUCH QUESTION, THE HOST IS AT FAULT!
Seventeen is seventeen bts is bts they both slay hard PERIODT.
My vernon was so kind to answer your ass answer man 😂
VerNOn was so gentle...