African Origins of Olmec Civilization - Debunked
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- In this episode we are joined by the Ancient Americas TH-cam Channel, Geneticist Razib Khan and Dr. Ivan Oransky to tackle this controversial subject.
In various videos, books, online forums and etc, we have seen a popular theory that the Olmecs were black or that Olmec Civilization has African roots... but is that true? Or is this merely a vicious appropriation of the history and accomplishments of Indigenous American Peoples and Cultures.
We begin with Pete from the Ancient Americas TH-cam channel who explains how this theory came about and how fringe historians such as Dr. Ivan Van Sertima were able to push this almost into the mainstream so to speak and how academia choosing to ignore these theories rather than debating and crushing them have caused long term issues and especially among under educated audiences.
He notes the various problems with this theory and tackles more than just the "African" features in Olmec art but goes even further by destroying attempts to link Mesoamerican pyramids, writing systems, crops and mummification to African origins.
Lastly he points out how this abuse of history affects the indigenous peoples of the Americas and what we should do as we continue on in the future.
Next geneticist Razib Khan comes on the show to thoroughly debunk the African origins of the Olmecs by touching on ancient DNA and what it has told us about the populations of ancient and pre modern Mexico and how there is no DNA showing an African presence before the arrival of Europeans.
Lastly, we are joined by Dr. Ivan Oransky who runs a website that monitors journal publications and their retractions and we explore why a history journal retracted a paper that claimed the Olmecs were black Africans and the controversy surrounding this outdated narrative and debunked theory.
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If you know bout the Olmec then What do the HELMETS 🪖 REPRESENT ??
You missed the “Olmec El Negro Afro” my guy👽👽👽👽👽👽👽👽
Could you invite Dr. Gabriel Haslip- Viera who is an expert too? He wrote the book: Thieves of Civilization: Afrocentric Attempts to Appropriate the Cultural Heritage of Native Americans and Latino Indo-Mestizos in America. Here the review: "This book is a response to the assertions made over the years by Afrocentric extremists who claim that the first Americans were sub-Saharan Africans, that the first American “civilizations” were created by ancient Egypto-Nubian and West African visitors, and that other West Africans came to the Americas in the fourteenth century CE and again in the years before the European discovery of the Americas in 1492. The book is a point-by-point refutation of some of the most important claims made by Afrocentric extremists and a defense of the real contributions and the actual research that has been done on the cultures, civilizations and peoples of pre-Columbian America by scholars in various fields."
@@sammydasilva6152 we not AFRICAN the Olmec is ET and they have same hair as US Kinky Woolly hair not FUR , Explain that or is hair not genetics 🧬
@@sammydasilva6152 ya don’t even got the Intelligence to see different hair types but claiming Olmec
All the black isralites boutta type seven paragraphs lol
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Who cares. Let them be delusional.
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DAS RIIIIIITE!
I find these theories somewhat insulting, in that these theorists don’t think that the indigenous population of the Americas could develop the Olmec type of civilization.
@Chuck Raylor Then José was an idiot.
@@FriedPi-mc5yt No. Just an inquisitive man posing a theory in a way that wasn't uncommon back then. He had no way of knowing what we do know today. He also had no way of knowing his theory will become a metaphorical bludgeon through identity politics.
Jose sounds like he was a ashamed of his native blood not unheard of in that culture
@@dalentces2492 It was no theory. It was a dumb idea that had no facts to back it up. There was no science to it. That’s the hallmark of an idiot.
@Etruria civilization Watch. The Video. Or take your racism elsewhere.
Depending upon which part of Africa you go to the facial features change drastically and are widely varied from tribe to tribe.
I once heard some native American where taken as slaves by europeans and shipped to Jamaica then to Africa
None are European
@@anthonyharris2231 Europeans are the youngest people on the planet, and don't set the standard for ancient phenotypes.
@@sedwillful what I don't understand is why Europeans try to separate African Americans from anything positive. I.e Egyptians. African Americans only celebrate ancient Egyptians for being Nubians i.e. black Africans. We are Black Africans as well. So why the hate from Europeans. That's like me saying Englishmen, Greeks are in Europe but the Greeks are not European because you know they were the first civilization in Europe so you know the English were barbarians so know way both sets of people are Europeans. See how ignorant that sounds and that's how most white ppl seperates Egypt from its entire continent. Europeans are extremists when it comes to prejudiceness. they will extract an whole country from a continent, simply to demean a race. It's sad.
@@anthonyharris2231 Admission of the truth is to admit guilt.
african people are not the only dark skinned people... its an evolutionary adaptation to the environment. wider nose also not an african exclusive it is another evolutionary feature to help with a certain reagon. its not a bad thing that olmecs arw not african yall have a rich culture of your own. there is no need to encroach on other ancestral people's culture.
This belief that "Olmecs were African" is believed by a small number of African Americans that belong to black supremacy cults that call themselves Hebrew Israelites, Black Moors, and Nation of Islam.
@@facade538 bro all you have to do is google olmecs on google and look at the pictures. I dont understand the need to implant african people into mexican history pre colonization. I understand its demeaning to people of african decent to know that they were brought in as slaves ,but that's literally how it happened.
Exactly.
All of the dislikes are coming from people who put feelings over facts.
Man , you did have to debunk this bunk , but I’m glad you did, sick of my Hotep brothers and their nonsense 😂
These African origin theories imply that indigenous people of the Americas could not develop their own advanced culture, which is pretty insulting. They developed it over and over again in different regions in two continents.
Everybody came out of africa .
@@amadeus5403He is not referring to that African origin theory. He is referring to African origin theory in regards to the Olmec. Very very different time scale.
@@amadeus5403das rite we wuz all da kangz n kweenz n shiet
The real gods of Earth are Black Anunnaki. They created everyone. They never wanted anyone to know.
Polish professor Andrzej Wiercinski showed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban. Even more ancient African skeletons that would clearly predate Columbus’ arrival in the Americas were discovered throughout Central America and South America with some even being unearthed in what is now California.
6000 years ago, Asians began migrating through the Bering Strait to Canada and Northern US and South. They interbred with Blacks already on the lands who were the Folsom people. Their offsprings were the earliest native Americans who had Asiatic features yet didn’t have the yellow skin but brown skin and round eyes.”
@@thfkmnIIIA racist can't teach or learn history because they're too brainwashed to hear the truth. This is why they made white Jesus for you. Who doesn't exist because they knew your simple minds cannot handle the truth. Deal in facts not how much you hate people who never did anything to you.
You can either accept the truth or stroke your ego with racist quotes.
6000 years ago, Asians began migrating through the Bering Strait to Canada and Northern US and South. They interbred with Blacks already on the lands who were the Folsom people. Their offsprings were the earliest native Americans who had Asiatic features yet didn’t have the yellow skin but brown skin and round eyes.”
Polish professor Andrzej Wiercinski showed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban. Even more ancient African skeletons that would clearly predate Columbus’ arrival in the Americas were discovered throughout Central America and South America with some even being unearthed in what is now California.
The Mexican Historians themselves said they were black. This didn't come from black people this came from European Anthropologist and Mexican historians. Get mad at
Polish professor Andrzej Wiercinski!
I deal in facts not racism emotions or immaturity.
Great episode. The recent trend leaning towards native erasure has been growing in cult like proportions. On behalf of indigenous people across the Americas…Thank you for this.
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The mainstream narrative is a hijack in itself. Most native Americans DNA don't match up with the ancient ones in America, but they link up with modern Asians. Yall got some splaining to do.
@@cbenji07 you are incorrect.
@@cbenji07 Nope 👎. Native Americans migrated to the Americas over a long period of time. Multiple waves came across Beringia and moved southward using a variety of routes.
@@cbenji07 bruh they found bodies of ancient native Americans in Florida they tested the DNA of them. And found they are related to the native Americans of today
Thank you for video. Mesoamericans have been fighting this indigenous erasure for years now. We need more videos like this.
No we need the truth not lies and trash like this, go and check scientific sources >>>>>
Acording with out DNA we belongs with a 100% accuracy to the Siberian Mongoloid group, we don't have a single trace of African DNA on us>>>>>
Don't let this IDIOTS confuse you >>>>>>
@@blancostudio3d The video supports what you're saying....
I dont think this dude has the credibility to voice his opinion on this subject... i could be wrong but i dont think so
Y’all are not indigenous at all and you know that it’s clear as day even the Congress knows that so try again you’re actually erased us by working with the Spaniards
@@jamestrice6199 Exactly, this guy didn’t debunk anything, the evidence contradicts what he is saying, even Mexican archaeologists have said they were African
The "braids" are also "on the head gear", not coming from under it. More than likely feather plumage or some other ornament.
Just a thought I had, but if the olmec and other meso-american civilizations had african influence and contact, then wouldn't they have been exposed to old world diseases like smallpox and then the had a higher level of survival come European contact in 1492.
Exactly.
No
@@rn6045 Yes
Them smallpox cases was fake and never happened in a pandemic style
How when those diseases came from Europeans???
The fact that you have to walk on eggshells & practically beg forgivenesses for telling the truth to a group of people says volumes about what exactly is the PROBLEM right now.
The Olmecs were native….not black….not white. But the indigenous people of the area that are still there. 😑
@@lescobrandon8948 I refuted this horshit in the early 90s when the LA riots kicked off Mexicans dont give a fuck bout ur revolution YOU ARE ALL GUESTS IN OUR LAND from Califas to Aztlan Puro Tolucan
@@lescobrandon8948 💯true
@@lescobrandon8948 They are walking on eggshells because the leftist twitter mob might brigade them
Olmec means rubber people. The rubber tree is not indigenous to the Americas.
Africans don't claim this stuffs but rather some Black Americans are
Not even some of us claim that mess.. Almost none of us do. It's like some idiots online with nothing better to do who do
@@jobwesleycoxjr5103 some of you also claim Israel's history, what an embarrassment they are,
who in africa claim egypt?besides egypt being in africa?@@werqzeleke2815
Yes we Africans claim the fact WTF you talk about?
My most humble thank you! As a Mexican American, from 2 Mexican tribes, Huachelo and Yaqui, I can't tell you what this means, not just to me, but for my people. May the Great Creator bless you! Wish others were as courageous as you. Best video EVER!!
No my brother this white Mann dumb asl how u think u got the color black In your skin Africans is the mother of all people so his dumb ass not making sense indigenous that black what u think come first white or black. Black u get white out of black this white wrongfully
@@Driponsauce0 pitiful, so stuck on skin color, can't even grasp the concept that these features are not unique to Afros! So pathetic. Spin it all u want, stay stuck on skin color, you can't change genetics by talking culture vultures BS. Spin it till ur dizzy. Skin color doesn't mean crap against genetic DNA. I ain't white!
Tribes is an African concept
@@DamienBang they hate their black abuelas and will do anything for white proximity, especially in the DR
@@trey9775 💯💯💯💯
What is the correct spelling of phonetic : "casca hell"? I'm interested in expanding my knowledge of it
Thank you for this video. Unfortunately, interest in the history of African peoples is dominated by conspiracy theories and anti-intellectualism, and academia has done little to resolve this problem. A negative side effect of this is that interest in African history is often pushed to the side, as people are more interested in perpetuating conspiracy theories about Olmec or the Egyptians than to actually learn about the numerous interesting histories in and south of the Sahara.
Unfortunately academia doesn't want to say anything to easily disprove the afrocentrics because their scared of being called racist
@@NYCfrankie oh poor victim.
@@jasonmccallop6605 I'm not the victim history is I actually find sub Saharan history interesting and don't understand why ppl claim history or cultures that aren't theirs
@@NYCfrankie that would be a great question to ask Caucasian-Americana
@@jasonmccallop6605 I don't know of any white people claiming heritages that aren't theirs who don't get laughed at yet I constantly hear afrocentrics claiming Mediterranean cultures that aren't theirs
There has been DNA extracted from Olmec remains by the National Institute of Anthropology and History of Mexico, the result is that the remains tested have the most common Native American haplogroup. Even I have the same which is not surprising since I’m from the region.
Link that
What is your haplogroup?
The So-called "native" Americans are from Siberia that European Wights claim they crossed the Bering Strait about 13,0000 and not eumelanated people of the Americas. Their own anthropologists say their elders did not build the mounds or pyramids here but they were built when they got here and neither did people from Africa.
And my haplogroup is A like that of the Olmecs. Plus the oldest anatomical man's DNA has been found here in America. Not Siberians called native Americans today.
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Who wants this Smoke?
@@michaelm.c.hampton1157 The evidence is overwhelming and the date of the arrival of the first Americans is actually between 20 to 25,000 years. All humans have melanin, except for some albinos; pyramids and mounds were built by the ancestors of Native Americans who have been found buried in the same mounds and pyramids. Again, the Scientific evidence is overwhelming.
@@duxarchiteuthis native Americans did not build the mounds or pyramids in the Americas. Your date is obsolete. And yes the evidence is overwhelming, new study shows this:
*Early Man In America*
The Out of Africa theorist took her career away because she wouldn't put her findings in their Out of Africa lie theory. And they hired her!
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*Virginia Steen-McIntyre* , A 250,000 year old discovery in America.
Professor David Huddart (LJMU) explain: "The existence of 40,000 year old human footpro=ints in Mexico means that *the 'Clovis First' model of human occupation can no longer be accepted as the first evidence of human presence in the Americas."* )
After excavations in the 1960's, the site became notorious due to geochronologists analyses that indicated human habitation at Hueyatlaco was dated to 250 ka. The geochronologists claim was largely rejected amongst mainstream archaeologists and anthropologists, who typically date the earliest human habitation of the New World to roughly 15 to 20 ka.
Cynthia Irwin-Williams first excavated the site in the 1960's. They dug four strata to excavate the artefact. Virginia Steen-McIntyre later wrote and published a paper concerning the dating of the artefacts found. It reported four sophisticated, independent tests: uranium-thorium dating, fission track dating, tephra hydration dating and the studying of mineral weathering to determine the date of the artefacts. Their 1981 paper (Quaternary Research (1981) v. 16, pp. 1-17) suggested that these tests, among others, validated a date of 250 ka for the Hueyatlaco artefacts. Later analyses conducted by bio-stratigraphic researcher, Sam VanLandingham, were concordant with the radiometric analyses conducted earlier.
The professional report, categorizing the findings at Hueyatlaco, was delayed for years. When it was finally published in 1981 it met widespread criticism. Steen-McIntyre argues that her findings were rejected not on their failings or merits, but because her critics engaged in circular reasoning.
The centre of the debate is whether the Clovis people were the earliest human inhabitants of the Americas or whether there was a PreClovis human presence in the Americas. The archaeologists studying such sites as Clovis and Hueyatlaco are able to identify the time period through a series of testing techniques. A very simplified version of determining Clovis or PreClovis is the existence of Clovis tool reduction techniques apparent on the tools.
Hueyatlaco is a site that portrays the academic debate between Clovis or PreClovis inhabitation of the Americas. Hueyatlaco is famous because sophisticated, bi facial tools, professionally excavated, are dated to around 250,000 years ago (via concordance of five independent dating methods).
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My uncle Edwin is 100% Guanacaste Indian from Costa Rica. Edwin is Brown skinned with straight black hair and identical in features to the Olmec head. When I first saw the Olmec head, I thought , that must be where the Guanacaste came from.
Anyone who's traveled enough though Latin America would recognize this. It's only through ignorance that one would think certain facial features are exclusive.
Bull crap. The original man is an Africord
@@fabianmark9stop it
@@fabianmark9 Afri-con?
Tell your uncle to test his DNA.
Thank you for this video. It pains me to see people try and erase us from our land
What Mexican looks like Idi Amin????
@KeithDavis-up5cm, nuh nuh nuh….he was referring to OUR continent and OUR Native American heritage! Africans are NOT native to this continent!!!
I taught my children to respect people of other cultures and races and always told them to be proud of their Mexican heritage. I don't have a problem at the possibility of Africans landing in Olmec soil in pre-Columbian days. But i do have a problem when there is no proof to that so called theory. Thank you so much for this video.
what about the giant Olmec heads that look african?
@@far-middle i There are some asian and pacific islanders with those features. I have a philipino friend that if you made a statute of her and placed near an ancient site in Mexico, you wouldn't be able to tell lthe difference between pre-columbian Mexican and my little Filipina friend., Remember that dates have to match. Watch the whole video. No evidence....
That also explains the small percentage of east Asian DNA in my 23and me results.
@@far-middle They look Polynesian and there is Polynesian DNA in the American natives from that region but no West African DNA.
@@johannlindstrom5948 possibly, but the polynesian stone heads on Easter island look completely different
Thank you for this episode. It's always bothered me that those who hypothesize Olmec's "African descent" completely ignore the fact that there have been and STILL are native people who look just like the people the Olmec heads depict (Yes, I've lived in Mexico, I've seen them). And if one sees those people in person, one would not immediately assume an African connection as suggested. At all.
It's a bit insulting to claim a single civilization had a monopoly on being able to develop & cultivate knowledge on their own.
Did you hear him say they don't have DNA from the olmecs? 1:02:00
@Etruria civilization thank you. These mestizos are delusional. 99% of Mexicans today don't have the phenotypes of the Olmecs. In the video, they claim only 1 of Olmec heads had braids...well what about all the ones with Afro textured hair? You don't see that in modern Mexicans, who's DNA mostly linked to Modern Asians, which contradicts an ancient arrival from Asia and suggest a more modern arrival to the Americas.
Can we stop referring to everyone with a melanin dominant make-up, African. Every melanated person did not come from Africa, contrary to popular belief. The descendants of America's aborigines are still here, with a few admixtures. They have just moved north, that's all.
@@cbenji07 How would have a sample from the Olmecs to test against?
@@cbenji07 He is saying they cannot test the Olmec DNA. Sorry that Olmec are not from Africa. There ancestor are still in the Yucatan in Mexico and still look the same.
I am Greek from Thrace 69years old when I was a child most little girls we had long braids So it was common ilat least to rural people!
I hate that people are trying to use African history to erase South American history smh
I truly wish both our histories had survived contact with Europeans without being heavily altered :(
Olmecs is North American not South American.
They tore them all down and it's documented we were already here
No one is using African history to erase America's but the African is the oldest and most traveled across the world. After the split of pangia.
I am African. We do not know who Olmecs are. We do not claim them.
Thank you for this research episode for clarifying that Olmecs and Meso-Americans have nothing to do with us.
Africans do not approve of the age-old practice of Europeans and Euro-Americans stealing African history, beaquething it to West Asians and South European descendants of Africa's Mediterreanian coast
@@ohlangeni ...."Europeans and Euro-Americans stealing ..."-That has nothing to do with Olmec people. Try something else.
@@sunrisings292 I am referring to the claim that North Africa has always been ancient lands of the Caucasians whose descendants are are the Mediterrenian African population commonly referred to as the North Africans. This includes the claim that the native Berbers were originally White.
North African Caucasian population descend from an unbroken settlement by Dorian and Ionian Greeks from 770BC (2,770 years ago) who established colonies of Appollonia, Barca, Bengazi, Tripoli, Cyrenica.
Phoenicians also established colonies there, the most famous is Carthage (new city in Caananite) in 753BC.
Europeans have been in North America, South America and Australia for less than 500 years.
The Greeks and Phoenicians have been in North Africa for nearly 3000 years.
The Eurasian settlement there was augmented by 700 years old rule by Roman Empire.
Furthermore, Vandals (a Germanic tribe) eventually settled and integrated into the North African population. The Arabs, European Barbary slaves and Muslim / Jewish refugees from Moorish Spain (Al Andalus) further added to the genetic pool so much so that presently the modern Arab speaking North Africans cluster genetically with South Europeans of Sicily, Malta, Spain (Marbella, Andalusia, Barcelona), Naples, Nice in France, Corsica and Sardinia all former Ancient Greek colonial settlment. They also cluster genetically with Greeks, Anatolians and West Asian (Lebanese, Syrians, Palestinians and Hebrews).
The African tribes of the Mediterrenian coasts such as the Gaetuli in the Maghreb, the Khazani in what is now Algeria, the Afuri in what is now Tunisia, the Libu in what is now Libya were referred to as Barbarians (Berber) by the ancient Greeks and they were native Black African tribes. Their descendants who are still Africoid or Mulatto still in inhabit those countries: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya.
The ancient Greei colonists had formed a kingdom during the Punic Wars called Numidia. Rome dissolved that Kingdom in 93AD but allowed the Juba Dynasty to establish a new kingdom southwards known as Mauritania. The descendants of the Mauritanians are the Mauri or Moors of Morocco, Mauritania, and the Zenata and Kabylie tribes of Algeria. The Mauritanians genetically cluster with Greeks and southern Europeans.
@Ario James3
1. The region South of the Sahara is native lands of Hunter-Gatherer ethnic groups such as the Twa, Pygmies, KhoiSan, Sandawe etc.
2. The oldest Bantu settlement South of the Sahara is Urewe dating to just 500BC at Uganda. The Archeamed Persian Empire was already ruling Egypt and Carthage was at its height when Bantu speaking peoples settled South of the Sahara.
3. The Kingdom of Kush was building pyramids, and having a writing system before the tribes from the Caucus region settled in Europe.
4. The Mushabean people were practising Agriculture 12000 years ago.
5. Nabta Playa by 11000 years had domesticated cattle, goats and cereals.
6. The Kiffian and Tenerians were practicing livestock heading by 8000 years ago; still practiced by peoples of the Sahara in Sudan, Chad and Fulani in the Sahara and West Africa.
7. The Nok culture were practicing sophisticated metallurgy by 4000 years and the first people to use iron in the world.
8. African domesticated crops such as cotton, watermelon, amarula, okre, African rice, legum, millet, coffee, yam, sorghum etc.
9. African domesticated the donkey, cats, pigeons, goose, helmeted Guinea fowl, Iberian horse, goats, cattle and at the regions of Naqada and Ta Seti invented the Writing system used in the world today.
10. Between 400AD to 1400AD developed Southern African civilisations at Lydenburg (Mpumalanga), Mapungubwe, Thulamele, Butua, Zimba dza mabwe (Great Zimbabwe), and Monomatapa.
@@ohlangeni 👍👍👍
I always questioned that theory, you could say they look like pacific Islanders as well. You can't just make up a theory that they are African because of how the statues look.
Louis Agassiz and Charles Darwin's philosophies and zoology spewing out of the speakers mouth and i dont even think he realizes it "people that have this shaped skull are from here!, asias come from the cold and africans come from the heat and are both not able to identify themselves so allow us" mentality
Then I guess anthropologists can’t make up theories about how bones look, and Galileo can’t make up a theory by how the stars look.
Then I guess anthropologists can’t make up theories about how bones look, and Galileo can’t make up a theory by how the stars look.
@@Eriugena8 totally different for one, and I just watched a documentary on the lost cities in the Amazon, they actually found a tribe in the Amazon that shares DNA with indigenous Australians and from the Pacific. The Olmecs DNA show they are not African.
@@Eriugena8 they do it all the time .....just make stuff up
Our Indigenous Native American History matters too.
I'm so happy I found this video ... I was curious why African Americans were trying to claim that they were the first indigenous of the Americas? 😏 some are so in denial and want to say they were lied too and the first peoples of Americas were the blacks which i can not believe because the Africans would have been engraved into the first nations cultures! African Americans need to go back to the mother land Africa and learn who they are! instead of trying to destroy the history of the first peoples of the Americas that are still here today still having pow wows and spiritual ceremonies! We are the real first peoples !
All land mass was connected the first human on earth were black we birthed you guys your our kids
The ppl who came to America first said we was here first in there diaries . So you can take whoever word you want from it . These guys with no credentials , no facts , no skeletal facts . You can look up whatever you don’t believe but do a thourough search
Nick, hope you are well?
I don't post all that often. I have, previously, posted on my interest in the Bronze Age Collapse and the dynamic between the "Tyrrhenians," the "Teresh," the semi-mythic "Pelasgians" and the later Etruscans.
As it relates to this video. I feel like the 'Debunkers' play a very important role in reviewing and keeping the many new theories on ancient history from going too far afield and falling into complete pseudoscience or just plain fallacy. However, there is little doubt, in my mind, that we will see the 'Orthodox' historical timeline and narrative continue to undergo considerable change with ideas once thought impossible becoming reasonable. Whether its carbon dating the "Dixon Relics," or discovering Iron rings on the fingers of dead Mycenaeans to potential pieces of wood from the "Trojan Horse" being found in the ruins of Troy (which itself is also a myth and never existed). I have serious doubts about the Trojan Horse, myself, too though...lol?
37:00: I believe your guest in his zealousness to crush any possible belief or speculation about the notion of pre-Columbian contact, between the Old and New Worlds, has himself repeated a fallacy of the 'Orthodoxy.' It is my understanding that the issue of the "Cocaine Mummies" is far from settled. It may turn out that there were once many plants endemic to the Old World that are now extinct. There are many plants beside Nicotania Tabacum that produce nicotine there could be, or have been, extinct plants that produce Erythroxylum alkaloids? New World contact is not necessarily the only way that these compounds could legitimately end up in mummies?
Please review the Timeline video about this issue. I believe your guest, even if he is mostly correct, has dramatically understated the arguments to the contrary of his position. I am under the impression that Timeline is a fairly reliable information source, am I mistaken? This topic would make a great next special for you Nick?
Cheers, my friend.
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Ancient Americas does great work. Do not confuse them with an online magazine with a similar name.
Those Stone hey it's look more negro
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They were clearly African , but for some reason everyone wants to debunk it now.
So if you all don’t believe the olmecs were African then you’ll have to research 2 other questions. When did the olmecs go to Africa for the knowledge of the pyramids and culture /speak with a African to receive the knowledge? Or , when did Africans bring the knowledge of the pyramids/culture to the olmecs ? If you don’t believe the olmecs were African then the questions above should be researched. Because it has to be one or the other since the pyramids originated in Africa. There were no cellphones back then to call people to relay knowledge
Pete is a national treasure! Ancient America’s is such a great channel.
Heck ya
The title of this video is slightly off. Everyone came from Africa, of course. The question is whether Olmecs came directly from Africa or did they come from people who had migrated across Asia, then migrated down through North America, as all the other the First Nations of the Americas did.
neither one of these fools have proven anything-the status has proven without a shadow of a doubt who they are and the features say more than enough
@@randyeduo Are you saying that you associate those features only with Africans, therefore the Olmecs must have seen Africans?
Nick, that was great. Thank you for putting so much time and effort in to your videos. Quality content and educational!! Thank you to all the guests also your all great and very knowledgeable and your work is highly appreciated. I can't wait to see what's next 👍👍
Also check out Pete from Ancient Americas, his work is phenomenal. Thank for watching!
MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS stop propaganda
@@hhenderson7259 lol you mean the bearded tall white black people.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449🗣📢 Sure Is Funny How The Sub-Saharan God BES Is On That So-Called Mayan Calendar 🤡 Not To Mention That The Mexicans And Native Americans Are Now Coming Out And Saying THAT YES "Black" People Were Here With Them Waaayy Before Columbus Showed Up 😭 Cry On
If you go to that part of Mexico, you still see people that look dead on the heads. They are not black. In fact in another debunk article, the author has a half and half shot with the head and a modern Mexican from that area and its a perfect match.
@Chuck Raylor yup, because they want to scientifically ensure that you buy their racist crap.This guy may just be ignorant of that fact but I’m sure that bias is working against his better judgment.
Dr. Oransky, Pete, and Razib Khan are spot on! Well done!
I live in NYC and there are many Dark Indian looking Mexicans and I’ve seen those high cheek bone flat nose and thick lips like the stone heads here
27:18 where you think they got the features from ???
Thanks imma a defendant of the Olmec civilization in America. So happy to see you guys giving us the American truth of origin
Honestly, to me, the statue looks more like hawaiian or samoan. Not African.
Polynesians look much like Australian Aboriginals half caste stolen generation white people colonized the entire Oceania it’s so sad … I’ve been researching it lately
Thank you for debunking the Afrocentric pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.
Not a conspiracy theory it is fact that all races comes from the African man. Why? The first man was black. Facts
@@simplymejustd That's certainly true, but that's not what the conspiracy theories are. That's not "The Olmec civilization came from Africa". The long distant ancestors of the Olmecs did, like we all did, but they left Africa some 70,000 years ago and came by way of Asia and northern sea route. The culture the Olmec formed in MesoAmerica developed in place with no later influence from Africa. It's an indigenous American culture.
@@jeffmacdonald9863 she’s delusional lol
They didn't debunk they just showed their lack of knowledge and research.
@@simplymejustd what a bunch of nonsense try teaching the Olmec culture to the natives in Mexico 🤡
Great video. Thanks for the additional information. I'm somewhat of a history buff myself and I find a lot of this information to be highly accurate based on my own research. Excellent content!
How can you accept the argument of gourds washing up on the shore as a probability (and I agree this could happen) and yet not accept the probability that Africans/intelligent beings could have sailed across the Atlantic/Pacific and brought technology? Your argument is SO very CONVOLUTED.
"African/intelligent beings" hmmm well if you look at an IQ map it will tell a different story.
The pyramid style in the Americas is not even the same as the pyramids in Egypt. They were built with different methods and they are not even constructed the same way. Also the pandemics that spread to ancient Africa from Europe made Africans resistant to European diseases years later during colonization. Natives would have been exposed to these diseases from Africans if they did make it but that's not what the evidence shows. Natives had no immunity to European disease during colonization showing it was their first exposure.
Amazing video as always! This goes along with the book I wrote in publication right now. Maybe I’ll send you both a copy real soon!
Thank you for doing this; it’s long overdue.
Same people who thought they were African are the same people who think the Easter island heads have legs buried
Olmec DNA
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As , a Native American, I have had so , many discussions about this online . I am glad up I debunked it .
It's debunked by DNA studies of pre colonial Mesoamerican remains including Olmecs not showing any African DNA.
Which is why I feel it's not even my responsibility to debunk it anymore, it's public information.
I really appreciate this content. It has been a while since the last time I visited this channel and have just discovered that Nick passed away.💔 RIP Nick
African history is glorious enough without Olmecs. 👵
100%
And vice-versa too
Having their history stolen from people not native to this continent iis annoying. Stick to Africa. And Jews are originally middle easterners too. Not black.
@@kikimanchester d'oh ... why I didn't think of it!? So true. 👍
@Etruria civilization Take a DNA test, I bet theres a white person in that tree. Oh, Etruscans were not black and you are an example why close relatives should not breed.
Are there Olmecs heads statues in Africa ? If not they are not from that continent .
No
Olmec DNAth-cam.com/video/PhvhhtW69mw/w-d-xo.html
It is so sad to think that denigrated, ignored, disrespected black civilisations and scholarship have grown in stature not only through their own undloubted and huge merits, but also by treating native Americans like they had been treated. Of course, as journeys between South America and Africa were possible, nothing should be discarded, but it must rest on proof, not wishful thinking.
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This has always been the case sadly. Evidence of black civilisations isn't taught in educational institutions due to racism.
If only I had a time Machine to be able to travel (100 thousand) years into the Past. Thanks for the Video.
The Olmec Heads remind me of Idi Amin.
Hundred yrs not enough more like 2,500 yrs ago ~ the beginnings of the Olmecas
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Thanks, I just need a Local Quantum Singularity with a Tackion Generator. 😎
Surprise, surprise ! That was already clear for any sane person.
in a mad world, only the mad are sane.
Unfortunately, most dissenters are sane people and are motivated by money; they promote these debunk theories via conspiracy theories and religion, and they become celebrities in these niche communities. The communities purposely hold on to debunk theories to prove their nativeness in order to gain state recognization as tribes, if they can't get federal recognization. Others are motivated by hate, herd mentality, and a fraction might be insane.
Thank you for covering the history of my ancestors! As a native of Mexico, thinking about my culture and my ancestors has often brought me to tears! I am very connected to my native roots although I am technically Mestizo. I've done DNA tests and I am 50% native American from Central Mexico! I have ardently argued on behalf of my people on this very subject! So thank you for spreading the message even further!
The olmecs were African. Why is everyone trying to debunk this now? It’s confusing everyone.
@@DerrickPJames go home troll lol
@@DerrickPJames Exactly! African period.. the obvious features give it away..
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😂 Crack is a hell of a drug
The reason why people in Veracruz have African features is because they are Afro-Mexicans. I think some of the heads look like some Indians and Africans. I guess it's easier to believe that Native Americans walked thousands of miles from Asia than it is to believe that African sailors came to the America's by ship. As we study the subject, we should be open to all findings on the subject.
I am a Navajo. I noticed that during researching my own Culture. There are two legends between native american and Polynesian. They are similar.
If you ask the older folks they will tell you that not only were the pyramids already there but their ancestors are African. Also there sure are a lot of theories that need debunking when it comes to African influence. There is always something for something when it comes to black peoples. It’s just so sad that we have to fight so hard and dig for our history. If they had not hidden our history we would not be looking for it everywhere we go and it’s not just our history that was hidden it was the entire worlds history that was hidden which I believe put us back centuries and actually brought us to primitive times because we are so not civilized we are barbaric and devilish
If there was any water to this theory, I would be looking to Melanesians, rather than West Africans.
@Shadis Nightmare that fact is of no importance, really. If West Africans were seabourne explorers they would have populated the Cape Verde islands, but they never set foot there. The Melanesians have the MO, because they had done things like that, having populated numerous South Sea islands.
@Shadis Nightmare boats aren’t good enough to cross the rough seas of the Atlantic, with it’s strong currents and permanent storms. The Pacific has bad weather too, but it’s seasonal and a bit more predictable, so it’s possible to cross on boats as long as you don’t run out of food and water.
West Africans had no need or reason that I know of to leave and go somewhere else. They already had decent farmland.
@Shadis Nightmare Bantu culture was emerging in W Africa 4000 years ago, so that’s your genetic landscape or the best we can do.
@Shadis Nightmare that source does not have a good reputation.
What's more likely: only a few cultures were capable of art and civilization and they had to spread everywhere to explain why many cultures had art and why multiple civilizations exist.... oooorrrr humans are all capable of art and civilization and given a situation and need, any group can develop their own civilization and great achievements. Seems to me that every culture can build what they need, the art they want.
But some have existed on this earth for far longer
Thank you so much for addressing this controversial topic. I am very frustrated with some of the Afrocentric assertions and what appears to be an attempt to appropriate the culture of others. It also does a disservice to proven African and Afro-American history/discoveries and inventions. It makes proven accurate info less believable. Some are saying that there were multiple migrations to the Americas and Black Americans are the original Indigenous people and that the Asiatic Natives are late comers. While it is possible there were multiple migrations to the Americas and a the oldest human remains a Negroid skull (Lucia) was found in Brazil, these theories need further investigation. -Spirit Woman
What discovery disproving African origin of the Olmec heads since they were found? I must have missed something 😅. Someone help if help is to be found.
Nick, and guests, thank you for this amazing deep dive into a subject which has relevance beyond it's obvious content, I love how you tackled this in such a multi faceted way. I feel the intrinsic lesson for all of us is that we are all very much subject to our own biases, which is perfectly natural human behaviour, but leads to all sorts of evils. We need to be disciplined in our thinking to be on guard against our on prejudices at all times, and we need great well thought out content like this!
Thanks for watching and for showing your support Jason! Means the world!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 www.change.org/p/usbank-remove-the-olmec-from-the-heart-of-hyde-park-mural-in-los-angeles-ca
@@1sav110 these fools are frauds
If you listen or even think this fool is right or correct with what they talking. You hoodwinked..
The owner of this page seems to always like the comments that “debunk” Africans being the originators of a civilization, from the Ancient Egyptians to the Olmecs.
Interesting topic. I'm west Indian and my ancestry is South American and African so this topic has my interest. Listening to this im reminded of the amount of public school books that were discontinued in the late 70s/ 80s. The contents were Quite similar to critical race theory today. Changing the ethnicity and gender of fictional story characters is bad enough, historical figures is travesty. Some things he's mentioned is contrary to the findings of Van Sertima and other experts who have traveled and researched these cultures. Whether or not the indigenous people migrated from Africa to America, descended from, or if they traded with Africans I can't say. The world has changed dramatically since then.
I'm exasperated by the "we was kangs" black washing history as much as I am of the (mud hut Africa) white washing of history (mention of the discontinued public school books).
Good to see more people just putting out facts instead of disingenuously using history to promote an ideology.
Facts don't care about feelings
Why do you people keep calling indigenous Americans Indians.
Van Sertima was a fraud who was not at all an actual student of Mesoamerica or Archaelogy
@@stacey-annestoner6434 They are mischief makers
So your entire post is that you don’t know; and you have hate in your heart for people who are trying or possibly have found out something significant. U also have self-hate. Colonized much?? 🤣😂 or perhaps just an incel gaslighting? 🤔
@@stacey-annestoner6434 yeah. And wait until they found out that “Israel” is part of Africa. 🤯
I have actually resolved this controversy.
No matter who got to what continent first, no matter what their skin pigment color was, no matter who else their facial features resembled, and no matter who or where YOU came form, YOU can still be successful and happy!
Now I'm glad everyone can finally stop arguing about some rocks from far away and long ago that have no bearing on any of our lives right now.
Still.... SUPER fascinating stuff. I love the olmec heads. The look to me like a kind of original pre-race .
Culture and origins have a lot of bearing on people’s lives. Native Americans and Africans can use this as a counter argument to other people saying they never did or built anything or never had any great civilization. Be proud of your ancestors and their accomplishments. I am proud of my Nordic, Celtic and Native American anscestors and these stone heads, monuments, etc show me how great they were. If you want to abandon your history for the present, go ahead. Why are you on these videos then if you’re not as curious as everyone else?
i disagree but to each their own
I’m suspicious of any person of European descent who calls themselves an expert on historical events. I don’t believe that anyone from the western world can find anything that does not involve some form of his/her personal biases that are innately or socially infused into their psyche. Every single thing that they do is smeared with an overt or subtle hatred towards anything that is African. This is a phenomenon that should be discussed and studied thoroughly. The Native American people have a saying that was and is as true today as it was before;”white man speaks with fork tongue.”
No, they ain't some "kind of original pre-race". Olmecs are undeniably Mongoloid Native Americans, not slavery-era African shipments like you are. Have you seen all the other Olmec heads and figurines? They're undeniably Mesoamerican. The Olmec head that you Black supremacists try to claim actually represent Native Americans featuring that phenotype.
honestly i take this one personally, my family is lencan and while not olmec, they are the ancestors to many of us and i take great umbrage with this constant push from people claiming we were this that and whatever made up bullshit, i've been told i'm xyz by white people who don't know what their talking about claiming my people come from all over the fucking place or being told that my ancestors were actually african just pisses me off. no they weren't. we were indigenous, we are native americans. as controversial as it sounds, but this never felt like a legitimate argument but just an excuse for peoples to have a reason to say we belong here, even if we have to steal another peoples culture to do so.
And Ty for a very well thought out presentation and show.
Olmec DNA hit the translate button
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Thank you for your work Retraction Watch!
Olmec DNA
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mayans had DNA had African admixture due to the ancient nubians the mayans spoke of. MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS!!!!!! stop propaganda
However, there is some evidence that
some Africans sailed across the Atlantic.
1) Nationall Geographic had an episode
where some historians, etc, found that
boat builders on Lake Titicaca between
Peru + Bolivia build ancient Egyptian
reed boats.They took them to modern
Egypt to once again sail this sort of boat
in its home.
Another episode showed a series of vertical locks up to + down from the
Amazon River + Lake Titicaca.
Other media had reports that in early.modern era, Mali Empire sent 1
emperor (forgot name)--- some claim.that he vanished. others say that
he returned.
Other reports said that some W Africans
(Malians?) regularly sailed every 5 years
to + from S America.
In.1950s? Norwegian scientist? + CIA
asset Thor Heyerdahl sailed solo from
W Africa to S America.
What people wore those helmets or skull caps?
The rubber people and Indigenous Mexicans and Guatemalan.
@@Navaja09I am from El Salvador. There is Olmec art in my country too. They left potbellies there. There are many people in El Salvador who look identical to the Olmec heads too just like Mexico.
Actually Gene Savoy was exploring S,America ,before T hyerdhal ,i,e his studies & travels based upon the cloud people [chachapoya] he recognised very similar glyps in Mesopotamia & Peru highland cultures ,also before Hyerdhal he sailed a totora-reed raft of ancient design, along 2,000 miles of ocean coastline from Peru to Mesoamerica , HE was perhaps the example used to base Indiana Jones upon . im surprised your expert guest never mentioned him
Than you for that. You comment is unfortunately cut short and so is the memory of the once famous Gene Savoy. YT videos about him have very small audience
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Great video
Do another one to debunk their claims of ancient egypt
54:16 I'd like to recommend a book by a well-respected Peruvian historian Jose Antonio del Busto called "Tupac Yupaqui: Descubridor de Oceania". It tries to establish the possibility and feasibility of an Inka voyage, possibly on Northern Andean coast-style freight rafts, riding the currents to and from French Polynesia (there is masonry on Rapa Nui that is very similar to Inka stonework.). All of this: the genetics, the fact that it's written down in chronicles passed on to the Spanish, the presence of the sweet potato in Polynesia and old-world chickens in the Andes strengthens that theory.
You great dude , really ..rigorous , honest, your episode has Always High cultural level that One of the things really lacking in this years
Its funny as an avid student of art history I always thought the Olmec Heads did more to damage the Afrocentric theory then it did to help. Olmec art is highly stylized and very unique in its appearance. It takes a lot of time (many hundreds if not thousands of years) for artistic styles to develop on their own and the more remote and primitive (hate that word) a culture is, the longer it takes. One would think at bare minimum you would see influences of Egyptian art in Olmec art but I see none at all. Proportions, lines, composition, its all drastically different and that's not even considering sculpting techniques. i.e. tools used, types of stone, polishing, etc.....
But it’s Egyptian(kemetic) influence in the Mayan culture and the Olmec heads are black. And every island around the americas was inhabited by blacks. The Hawaiians were black too oh and also the pacific islands are inhabited by blacks. Still to this day New Guinea habitants are black. You see the trend here. Blacks have lived across this world before any group of ppl. We are the oldest humans. Colonization and climate change help change the color of a lot of groups around the world. Y’all not as old as we are. Y’all have only existed thru mixing from us lol.
MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS stop propaganda
Afrocentricty isn’t a theory it’s a form of study.
@@hhenderson7259 When.
@@kingbee1869 You know, having dark skin doesn't make you an African or a person of African descent. Dark skin evolved as way to protect early humans from the sun's ultraviolet rays. And while I 100% believe in the Out of African theory (which is confirmed by genetics, palaeontology and archaeology), I don't believe in what extreme Afro-centrists say. The cultures of the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas were not influenced by any other cultures from the world and created their own civilisations without the help of the inhabitants of the old world.
Im glad someone in a neutral position is speaking out on their findings because if it was a indigenous person who would be stating this that individual would be called a raises As a mexican (mestizo) not eve I can take claim of being a descendent of these great people I believe they were a different human with their own unique gifts during the pre flood period. Not even the Aztecs credit themselves as descendants of this great Civilization .So why should African Americans (not African anymore) should have the right to take claim. 😅
Now I'm not sure but I heard a researcher say that they was in Mexico studying Olmec. I forgot who he is but he said the only thing of the Olmec they found was artifacts and they had never found any Olmec skeletal remains . That's what he said which i found surprising . Don't know if what he said was true or not
Thank you, for your analysis. Yes, I am a Black American and proud of it. I don't need to fluff or reinvent history.
Olmec DNA hit the translate button
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That's what they did...
Black people are Ancient of days
I've heard plausible theories that Ancient Egyptian, Phoenician, Carthaginian, Greek or Roman sailors may have sailed out beyond the Pillars of Hercules, got caught up in a storm and were forced by prevailing trade winds and tides across the Atlantic where they had some contact with the American locals. BUT they would have had a very hard time sailing back home again. They would have had to learn to sail far north or far south to pick up winds & tides back to Africa or Europe. It may have happened occasionally, but not with any planned regularity (e.g.to allow regular trade.)
Europeans are the babies on the planet, that is WHY you all are still studying Our Ancient Civilizations! The Bible tells US that you are from the Isles of the Gentiles and the Caucus Mountains! You found Religion in Africa the Greeks confirms this!
MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS stop propaganda
Yes, different people came
Thats dumb af. The Mediterranean is huge. You'd need an ocean going vessel to navigate the Mediterranean. So how would they not be able to navigate the world? Idiots
There are several archaeologists from mesoamerica with Mesoamerican roots who will tell you they were a black civilization of people that came to mesoamerica pre antiquity and this is a common theme among Mesoamerican folklore
nah
What are their titles and universities?
What language did the Olmec speak and explain the face features on the statues and were the first people of this land Asian or African
@@Nin10dofan8 so it’s not true when they say the original people of the earth were of dark skin and what happened to the Olmec why they disappeared were they attacked by mongoloid people from Asia or white Europe
I would be interested in a video about the Khazar hypothesis, I'm Jewish myself and I don't think it's true based on little research I did, but I'm open to any information.
Khazars, no. Samaritans, yes.
Definitely not from ancient Israel if you’re talking Ashkenazi that’s a fact. Lol
@@SturdyRoots007 They share the same paternal haplotypes are the Samaritans. 23&Me confirmed this in a study. The Samaritans were Assyrians relocated there after the northern kingdom was taken away. These people taking on the identity of the Israelites was prophesied. Deuteronomy 32:16-26 says the Israelites would be scattered and forgotten, but another people who usurp their heritage. 2 Esdras 1:24-40 says it would be a people from the east (like Assyria). And in 2 Kings 17:23-28 these Assyrians are taught the ways of Israel. We see the origins of these people's modern day identity. Even in Maccabees you have foreigners "converting" to the ways of the Jews. I'm not saying they all are Samaritans, many are just European converts, but that's the origin of their identity as jewish.
They did not just pop out of nowhere 500 to 700 years after Judea fell. They were there in the same vicinity of the Israelites centuries prior to the Roman occupation. That's why they have record going back only to 500 BC. Whereas in the Bible the Israelite had records going back to Egypt (1300 BC) when they returned from Babylon.
So if you all don’t believe the olmecs were African then you’ll have to research 2 other questions. When did the olmecs go to Africa for the knowledge of the pyramids and culture /speak with a African to receive the knowledge? Or , when did Africans bring the knowledge of the pyramids/culture to the olmecs ? If you don’t believe the olmecs were African then the questions above should be researched. Because it has to be one or the other since the pyramids originated in Africa. There were no cellphones back then to call people to relay knowledge
@@DerrickPJames First, your comment doesn't have anything to do with what the OP posted or any other comment in this thread. Second, Native Americans made ziggurats, not pyramids. Third, pyramids and ziggurats area basic stacking design. It's found all over.
I find these kinds of videos don’t penetrate into the audience who actually believes what is being debunked. They see the title, and then go find one of the millions of “reaction” channels that agrees with their ideas and watches their edited version of the debunked video. Like this will probably end up cut down and put into several 20 minute reaction videos and the people on either side of the conversation will find someone in their side to listen to and not one person changes their mind.
We know they were so called black. They built pyramids around the world.
I can tell most of the people arguing that the video is crap either didn’t even watch it or didn’t pay attention.
@@fullmetaljackalope8408 it’s just a bunch of idiots who want to rewrite history to fit their modern ideas. I just wish people would actually listen.
@@scottnunnemaker5209 totally agree! I really can’t understand why they don’t get it. It’s really frustrating.
How can you debunk the fact that Olmecs descend from Africans when all of mankind descends from Africans..... Olmecs didn't magically appear in Mexico ... They traveled from Africa .. whether by boat or by Alaska .. Africans traveled the entire Earth and changed colors due to climate
So both of these guys are just sharing their opinions, from research they’ve done themselves (neither one is a scholar) just two guys with a TH-cam channel?
Origin specifically means where the civilization came from originally. You cannot show any evidence of the civilization progressively developing in mesoamerica before their arrival. Their arrival in the mesoamerica came with a completely already intact history. That they did not develop directly in mesoamerica but other Mesoamerican civilizations emulated. There is a civilization older than both the Egyptian and the Olmec. But European history has colluded to keep this knowledge from the mainstream academic archaeological Pantheon of human history
It's plenty of Black scholar living today that he can debate what's wrong if he that strong about it he talking talk is cheap tell him to put his money where his mouth is and do a debate like I said there's plenty of Black scholar that will debate with him
How long does it take the y chromosome to change from the 1st African migration out of Africa to morph to changing people unrelated genetic
See above comment.
So as far as the black natives thing goes also... Us Taino paint ourselves in Jagua ink that is made from a fruit. It dyes the skin black. It was also great to protect our skin from the sun.
That’s why many people are claiming Columbus and his crew initially claimed they saw dark or SWARTHY people in the 1400’s pre colonisation.
Dr. Ivan Van Sertima actually in his later years recanted a lot of what was said about the Olmecs being of African origins. He recognized the importance of the indigenous people and society. I would love to see DNA of different time frames.
Didnt know that. Good to know
Ivan Van Sertima ain't no "Dr.". He had no degrees in archaeology nor Mesoamerican studies. At best, he was a big quack and charlatan who knew how to hustle, selling lies to Black Americans dealing with low self-esteem and racial inferiority issues. Please, let's stop giving props to someone who ain't earned it.
Ok so he states that conquistadors in their own memoirs say the indigenous people they met were negro or black...he says take them with a grain or salt... Furthermore he says not to use European sources but he is ______ trying to be a source of someone else's culture/history.
He didn't say not to use European sources, he says they use prominently european sources and that some should be taken with a grain of salt. There are many scientists of many races who go to indigenous populations with respect, too involve them in their research. Those are the best to go too.
@@dexter7266 the usual whitewash
@@DefaultName-bm1rh huh? 😂😂 Boi stfu
what a wonderful, dense episode!
Love you channel bro!
Terrific now debunk The Hebrew's and Egyptians being white.
Already did that! Check out our video titled "Egyptian Origins."
Egyptians were white same with Hebrews
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 would you consider a video about the Paracas skulls?
@@Yarblocosifilitico already have one coming with an archaeologist!
@@RsFrag3d Ive been to Egypt the faces on the tombs were black and brown.
European contact didnt happen for thousands of years. The Greeks were first that contacted Egypt also described them as black.
As far as the Hebrew. There are a few bible verses that describe what the Hebrews look like none of them say anything close to white.
Please educated yourself and quit spreading lies.
Great program, I've watched a couple of shows now from this channel and they are extremely good topic.
Olmec DNA. if you don't know how to read Spanish hit the translate button
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Thank you for clarifying it’s not just Mexico but some of Central America too. We were the original people in that region ✊thank you guys for the time and dedication to this topic
We needed this for all those culture vultures.
Absolutely
This is my first video of your I watched. I respect your insight on history so far. However, I am still hearing a lot of what if? I believe the studying needs to continue.
Yeah, this never had real weight, but... Internet. Smh
The Olmecs left giant sculptures representing their faces..
Also there’s a couple of videos here on you tube where Polynesian men call themselves black and relate to the Africans
I don't understand the hostility to black Africans in these comments I've never heard of this civilization & never heard a black person claiming they were African but I love to hear about history and ancient civilizations.
James B They are hostile because they are racists pretending to be in search of the truth. Anthropological data has shown that Africans were in many places in the Americas long before Columbus. But concerning the Olmecs, not all the Olmecs look the same. Some do look African and likely were, but not all of them. Just like some of the Egyptian Pharaohs were black, but not all. These folks are just determined to eject blacks from every historical narrative except for slavery.
Ancient Central America was highly diverse and went through multiple migration waves, with some relic evidence still extant in the dna of indigenous people living in the Isthmo-Colombia region.
The genetic traces of Oceanian/Australasian admixture in some people from South America AND Alaska is 100% confirmed. There were black people traversing the continent at some point in the distant past, geneticists just don't know exactly where they came from.
@@gsutton78 no
@@westville1916 Another insecure race troll.
@@gsutton78 sure whatever you say Viking or aztec or are you samurai?
Ancient Americas is my new favorite channel I’ve seen every video of his
Olmec DNA
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MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS stop propaganda
@@hhenderson7259 the fuck they didn't. Why can't my people be their own people?
This was ridiculous. You had some far fetched counters to Dr Van Sertima. What about hair texture, which the Spaniards described. how about the gold tipped spears that were taking by Columbus and taking back to Spain where the spainish claimed it the gold was African
Van sertima was proven wrong.
How? You still didn’t answer my questions. The accounts of Spaniards who described encountering people who liked like they were from Sri Lanka, and then claimning they saw negroes. Two seperate discriptions.
@@CheBlak Colonial Europeans had limited knowledge of other ethnicities, and they didn't know that the Americas existed. So they didn't have the words to properly describe the new land and new people that inhabited those lands.
@@facade538 what? So the Europeans never seen Africans or people from Sri Lanka to make a distinction in phenotype and racial characteristics and just randomly picked those two groups of people to describe as to who the people looked like?!?!
@@CheBlak Stop this comparison of modern times with the past. Not every colonial european was a world traveler. They didn't have iphones and information was scarce. And colonial explorers described Native Americans with approximate values, white like europeans and black like Ethiopians.
The irony is eveything began in the Region of Africa, yet nothing comes from that Region lol
Thank you for debunking this I had a lot of people saying our Mexican natives were from Africa which was insulting to our culture. Thank you I really appreciate it for this good I can’t wait to share with this those clowns
Soooo how is that insulting but if they said it was European you would be accepting of that????
MAYANS THEMSELVES SPOKE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS stop propaganda
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Afrocentric is b.s, y'all are hilarious 😂
@@bigddelgado2508 thank you shut both of them clowns and their Afrocentric and Eurocentric ideas
@@nycbankers1427 exactly these people think it has to be one or the other.
I'm sorry, but afrocentrism is about as bad as eurocentrism in that it seeks to extol a certain set of cultures above other cultures not in this set. I have nothing against celebrating (African, Pre-Columbian American, Central Asian, Polynesian, Australian, Papuan, Southeast Asian, Chinese, European) cultures for what they were and are. No need to invent Ancient Astronaut theories to prop up your favourite culture. Chances are that you can find out a bunch of great things about their real history without making it up.