A good change to not make freezer useless with pyro is to make the ice deal area damage once melted by the pyro. Maybe also add a “brittle” effect which makes the enemy take more damage after this
@@A8Key ok for one the necromancer was scrapped in 2020, re added in this update. And I dont see how more realistic freezing would be like a copy, especially if they made it where the ice melts when it comes in contact with fire. And why are you saying everythings a BTD6 copy?
I think they should make freezer like the shotgunner, where if you have good placement u can actually get reallt good freezes, and also give it an ability
@@Alguien_random_aqui Tds ain't adding the freezer's rework. The shotgunner was at least KIND of useful so it had a concept to go off of, but freezer is just terrible. It's either OP and it can freeze stuff for like 30 seconds... or it can fire 3 seconds per shot and do NO damage and the freeze is only 1 second and burnt off by pyro.
@@NancyNielsen-gg6zl Which is kinda a reflection of a problem with TDS's balancing. How many times now have we got a new tower/tower buff, only for them to nerf it after a few days or so. It's like they didn't test the new towers at all, and just released them thinking they're balanced.
@@R3nZed yeah but if for example someone finds a glitch with the tower or something. or they simply reduce it from being too powerful for how easy it is to obtain possibly.
Although the freezer is the worst tower, it's relatively balanced for noobs, as newer players' defenses lack dps, so the freezer buys time. Also the Act III glitch where it perma-froze everything, everyone used it.
I have a rework idea Freezer base cost 400, damage 0, fireate 2 seconds, range 8, freezes enemies for about a second, splash freezing, tower placement limit 8. Lvl 1 cost: 350, damage 1, fireate 2, range 12, freezes enemies for about 2 seconds, retains splash freezing. Lvl 2 cost: 700, damage 2, fireate 1.5, range 16, freezes enemies for 3 seconds, retains splash damage. Lvl 3 cost: 3,000, damage 5, fireate 1, range 16, freezes enemies for 3 seconds, loses the splash damage but gets the hypothermia effect if an enemy gets frozen over 3 times they'll start losing health and walk slower until they die. Lvl 4 cost: 15,000, damage 25, fireate 0.5, range 30, gains hypothermic seige ability gives every enemy besides bosses and molten enemies in its range the hypothermia effect. None of these levels can freeze bosses or molten enemies. Do you like this rework idea?
Ideas, if the freezer was to get a rework: - In Level 0, let it actually deal damage. Even if it is just 1 damage per shot. - Give this tower max hits. So like when upgraded to a certain level, let it freeze up to 2 to 3 enemies or so. - Display in the upgrades section how long the freeze time is. Increases almost every upgrade. - Have the enemies suffer damage while they're frozen solid. So maybe make that a level 2 or 3 upgrade or something. - Freezer's defense melting is pretty useless and pyro does it better, so get rid of it. - Bring his ability back. Please. We all miss it and that was what made him OP back then.
Okay, some of this stuff I agree with, but removing its defense melting is very unnecessary and bringing back its ability is a little too much, considering its a Beginner tier tower, it shouldn't be having abilities.
Honestly I want them to rework freezer into being an aoe tower like Pyromancer where it sprays some cold icy waves, or turn it into a mage like character (not a skin) that has aoe stunning on it's entire range (kinda like the fire mage from arena tower defense)
Imagine if the Christmas event is called “freezer’s revenge” where you get a report that a freezer stepped on radioactive stuff and he became sane about all the stuff the devs did to him then he makes you unable to use the op towers like engi golden mini and maybe accel
This is the same with the sledger and the jesters ice bombs. Toxic gunner is now the best tower for defence reduction if you plan on bringing freeze towers.
freezer just needs to have it be pyro's damage numbers and similar costs, while freezing after building up a bar against enemiees (has pierce) so that way it can do decent damage, slow and have enough impact to be worth putting in a loadout. Because as it is, its pretty much worthless. Even its older version kinda sucked since its better to just replace the- 10k cost (not joking) with like 3 max gold scouts to get a way bigger profit. Its damage is low, its freeze is bad and to make things worse, it has no splash and low attack speed.
@@Proto_the_wickergen I said in terms of balancing fire arrows only deal 10 dps which isn't worth thawing a freeze affect unlike pyro that can melt defense
Whats next? Make explosion towers like ace, pursuit, bomber, rocketeer and grenadier melt ice? Maybe even accelerator? Thats stupid. By that logic make everyone have to reload ammo like militant.
Paradoxum games promised us a freezer rework but they give us ranger and mini rework instead, like how many times do they have to rework these 2 towers
The only way to use freezer is to use it in a cheesy way, that by just spamming them so hard to delay a enemy that you know you can't beat, That the only thing I've seen it be used for. I used the Pw2 old coin grind strat where you spam freezers to stall the amalgamation. thats literally it.
Here's a good idea for buffs to it: first off make the base fire rate 1.5 - 1.25 but also add a passive at max level that slows By 25% and if there in for longer then 3 seconds they get frost bite which reverses there armor into more damage taken and increases fire duration by 1.5x
@@AverageIdiot-bs5ts cause they won't feel it and take a quick second to actually notice there burning to put it out is probably what I was thinking then
Honestly they should give it a upgrade where it doesn't have its freeze burned off when they rework it and call it permafrost, which will also slow the enemies afterwards. Why are they going for realism anyway? There's so many enemies that don't follow those rules.
If they want it more eealistic well they should think abour Morter nuclear monster and accel having a void powered particle accelerator laser gun not being able to defeat a mutates bull
if they want their game to be "realistic" then remove metal ballon zombie that they have in hardcore and actually remove all the zombies because they want it to be realistic
Sledger also getting nerfed in this is horrible for me since I have him in my main load out. I constantly have to warn people with G. Pyro that my sledger won’t freeze the bosses and tanks that are on fire.
if they nerfed it it means its a troll nerf and they wanted to say with this that they actually didnt forget about him and we might get freezer rework on christmas update
My idea for freezer rework Coins needed for freezer will be now 2k Passive: can inflict cold and when it reach to 3 or after freezer hit it 3 times it will gain frostbite then lose 10% (stackable until 30%)of the enemy defence and last for 10 seconds but if there is a pyro nearby the freezer the frostbite effect will be removed from the enemy but the passive will change to hypothermia that will slow down the enemy by 10% (not stackable). Base stats Placement cost: 400 or 450 Dmg 0 Spa 2.5 Range 9 Upgrade 1: Cryo gun Cost to upgrade: 500 Dmg 1 Spa 2 Range 11 Upgrade 2: feezing air Cost: 1000 Dmg 4 Spa 1 Range 10 Upgrade 3: better snow gear Cost 3000 Dmg 5 Spa 1 Range 12 Switch: can switch mode to aoe that gives him a weapon like pyro but it shoots snow ang gives him 9 range, 2 dmg, 0.75 spa Upgrade 4: cold reaper Cost 5000 Dmg 9 (aoe mode 3) Range 15 (aoe mode 10) Spa 0.75 (aoe mode 0.55) Gives him a slow aura that slows the enemy for 15% ( can stack with hypothermia ) and his weapons change for the singel target into a ice sickle shooter aswell as well as having a new thing called payback that negates the fire and can now apply frostbite every 2 hits and now last for 15 seconds Thats all, i am not good at balancing but i want your opinion of this is good if anything needs to change
They should make freezer give frostbite after getting frozen wich increases the damage the zombies take by 20% every time it gets hit but still make it stay a single target unit and at max level make it deal 50 damage with 1.3 second atack speed
@@Yi-Ming734 you know they could also like not add that effect on sledger and instead of straight up freezing ppl by whacking them he should be slowing them like bruh
@@dej.v pyromancer makes freezer even worse than it already is as frozen enemies get thawed as well as enemies on fire don't get frozen, what's the point of bringing a tower that's already shit and then making it basically useless, which will waste a tower slot. of course he didn't think that you could beat fallen with only freezer.
guys come to think about it Below needs to buff, Freezer, Paintballer, Commando, Slasher, Swarmer, Frost Blaster and toxic gunner which is pretty long but, They have been slowly buffing them
I actually quite like the freezer, now call me what you want but i think if you place enough of them down they can stunlock a long time for the price, I (thanks for noticing) understand its not the best at its job and DEFININITELY needs a buff but i believe it can do ok ammounts of stunning for its price and i feel like its unfair to compare it to like eletro or sth cuz first its a beginner tower and secondly it 350, quite cheap, i understand the. "freeezer doosnt do anyeh damage so it succ" but its a support tower. I feel like this community is making it sound like the freezer is worst than it is, so please give freezer a chance.
I feel like the freeze debuff and burn debuff should negate each other. If a pyro burns a frozen enemy, it takes off the frozen debuff and applies burn. If a sledger freezes a burning enemy, it takes away the burn effect and freezes it. It gives you the option of stalling with freeze or melting defense with burn but not both
@@JuliusOrbigoso-zz6clice+fire just melts the ice, while water+fire just evaporates the water, where did you get the idea that it would be obsidian when its water+lava not fire
hey heres an idea what if the admins made a new tower maybe called snowman or something that would do splash damage deal defense melting and freeze enemies for long the higher the boss the lower the freeze time but it would work faster plus if it could freeze other enemies that arent frozen yet it would work so much faster it is a great idea if you give it the right stats but the starter freezer yea theres no saving that tower but making a higher level one would work better
There is one time I was obsessed with freezer and medic a couple of years ago their standard upgrade cash was about 14,000 for the both of them without DJ the molten boss always had 2,000 Health left
They changed the effect system. So now they can do some things with it like this that enemies on fire can't get freezed from anything they will most likely add more of these lil things with effecgs
Freezer actually have a use, for stuns in strategy. You know strategy must had a perfect money so you can follow the strategy, because of how upgrade money works in freezer, you can't use electroshocker because the cost to upgrade is different from strategy. And one of them is hardcore gems grind strategy, use it to slow down the slow boss.
If a enemy is on fire, it can't get frozen. This means if a frost blaster, sledger, or freezer hit an enemy while its on fire it won't freeze them. Makes sense but it sucks.
Maaan i miss freezer ability i feel like im going to cry cuz when i start playing tds and i brought freezer it was so good i spam is ability but yhen when i got back into this game is ability just gone is like it erase my nostalgia memory
I wouldn't really say freezer is bad tower since it's a support tower and people mostly compared it with its dps. Remember it's in the starter tower mean it's meant to help new player as it's the cheapest support tower they could afford on a early level so us a higher level player didn't use it and considered it bad because we can afford a better support tower that does better and start to meme on a starter support tower that is meant for easy mode and not difficult mode like fallen or hardcore. We all know we ain't bringing a starter tower to a hard mode like bring paintballer to hardcore mode cause it can do damage to lead like at that point that we unlocked hardcore we already have unlocked other tower that can do the exact same thing but way better. We don't really see much people bringing sniper, demoman, hunter, (scout and soldier doesn't count cause they have a golden skin) to play fallen or hardcore at all, because we have tower like minigunner, cowboy, accelerator, engineer to beat the mode already. Heck I use freezer on fallen and it clutch way more than I thought, just by placing 3 max out freezer help out alot and save me from losing so many time.
Being a starter tower and a support tower are not excuses for it being pretty terrible. Not only is it very oudated (Hasn't even been updated enough to use new animations, and its legs are completely stiff) but it's also just an objectively worse version of Sledger. Pyromancer and Electroshocker are two other support towers that you can get pretty early in the game, and they help a ton even later on, since they are actually decent towers. Freezer isn't bad because it's a starter support tower, it's just bad.
You said its meant for starter players to be used in easy mode. Tbh id much rather just use scouts and soldiers to win in easy , freezer wont help at all
@@smirking_moon that's my opinion if you still think freezer is bad go with it. I prefer to use it for fun as it's still decent for slowing enemies down at max if you play right, the game is a strategy game so freezer can have some what of a use for beginners but it won't last long until they get new towers like electro shocker or warden but it still take along time to grind for.
@@Monochromystii I'm pretty sure pyro is not a support tower on easy mode as it has no support because the mode early on have no reason to bring pyro as a support but as a crowd control tower like there is no enemies on easy or molten have defence armour and pyro is better off supporting on fallen and hardcore. Sledger is an event tower so beginners can't get that anymore only if it comes back as a gamepass but ok. Also this is my opinion don't take things too seriously.
I have literally no idea how freezer saved you from "losing so many times" when you spend like 30k (expensive ass tower for no reason) on it to deal like 10dps when you couldve used that money for like accelerator, minigunners, military bases, more farms, hell even scout can get you somewhere better, or even maxed out sledgers if you have the tower that do the job of freezing better and deal a ton of damage. that's kinda the problem, freezer gets outclassed way too damn easily lmao. also just because its a beginner tower doesnt even matter because if you have the material to win fallen mode, freezer is a bad investment. if you have the material to win normal mode, freezer is a terrible investment. if you have the material to win molten mode, freezer isn't a good investment but its not bad because you get a lot of money in that mode, but nonetheless its still very bad to spend your money on it when you can just spam scouts and farms and actually get far, but if you just waste like 30k getting maxed freezers, thats a bit crazy and you're definitely going to leak some rusher zombies. FREEZA SUCKS.
Meanwhile in Tower Battles: Planet3arth: "Hey you're useful in the Halloween event now, have fun." Cryo-gunner: "Thank you papa." Meanwhile in TDS: Freezer: "Below may I please get a buff..." BelowNatural: " *N o* " Frost Blaster: "Atleast we're safe Sledger." Sledger: "You stupid."
2022 april: hey guys were gonna make freezer broken like the old days but balance the coins to get it NOW:time to nerf it bc 99% of our promises on bad stuff to get better arent true
this is exactly why sledger is the best stun tower (in my opinion) - it's cheap like gladiator - it has piercing (at a certain level atleast) - it can deal HELLA DAMAGE, im talking it can take down 6 abnormal bosses at once - fast hit time, so it can get more hits if you dont have sledger, just use electroshocker please. it's electricity chaining or whatever is really good, but i'd pick sledger over it the only bad thing about sledger is it has no hidden detection, but you shouldn't even need that if you have a minigunner or even a gold soldier (unless hidden boss lol)
It been 1-2 years since i waited for them to buff freezer every time the game updated i said freezer buff when but every one forgot about it i feel disappointed faster than anyone
Sledger also has the nerf that the freeze gets molten well when i played with 2 randoms 1 put down sledger and 1 put down pyro and sledger was completely useless
Ngl, they could rework freezes and give him a frostbite effect (passive dps for all the track + idk, enemies takr 10% more damage?) It would be some simple buffs that would make him really good
Because if that happens, that logic would also apply to the other freezing towers (sledger and frost blaster) sledger can already do 100 damage per hit with aoe and freezing. If it also makes it so towers do more damage to them. It's gonna become a meta tower
I remember when I used freezer during the gladiator event before it was bad. The ability was cool, and was very helpful. Now... I'd rather just not play TDS than use the tower.
Freezer: **exists** Paradoxum: F*** you! Nerf this f***ing shit! Also I remember about the exclusive balancing channel in the TDS Discord Server, the balancer said freezer's ice is going to melt if its mixed with pyro's fire (how does a bomb shoot through an ice without breaking it💀) I think this was supposed to release on the freezer's rework but it releases now? Also the balancer must've slept 23 hours 50 minutes a day because freezer "promised" rework that have been announced about a year ago doesn't get released or revealed at all.
How about make it zero dmg ever updgrade dosent burn from flame and just stun cuz that the purpose of freezer it is to freeze not to attack it is called freezer for a reason
"Fires once every five minutes"
- Elite
Elite’s Brain : 🐧
hyperbole
@@rianreonhyper ball
@justanoob3444 he means exaggeration (hyperbole)
@@MyuzetAwngSlovelychannel i know
A good change to not make freezer useless with pyro is to make the ice deal area damage once melted by the pyro. Maybe also add a “brittle” effect which makes the enemy take more damage after this
btd6 top path ice monkey
@@A8Key what does this have to do with btd6? defrosted ice will leave brittle irl
@@LDNinetyNine It would like like a btd6 copy if they did. You cant even argue cuz tds stole many ideas from btd6 for example the necromancer.
@@A8Key ok for one the necromancer was scrapped in 2020, re added in this update. And I dont see how more realistic freezing would be like a copy, especially if they made it where the ice melts when it comes in contact with fire. And why are you saying everythings a BTD6 copy?
Same with frost blaster of course. It’s such a cool tower skin yet it’s so usseles
I think they should make freezer like the shotgunner, where if you have good placement u can actually get reallt good freezes, and also give it an ability
Remember when they sent a sneak peak of the shotguner rework and also showed a freezer one but didn't add the freezer one?
Thats litteraly just the frost gunner
or you know we could give freezer Aoe freezing... y'know maybe theres a reason tower blitz and tower battles have splash freezing
@@meghollowssó basicaly give its ability back
@@Alguien_random_aqui Tds ain't adding the freezer's rework. The shotgunner was at least KIND of useful so it had a concept to go off of, but freezer is just terrible. It's either OP and it can freeze stuff for like 30 seconds... or it can fire 3 seconds per shot and do NO damage and the freeze is only 1 second and burnt off by pyro.
Tower: *becomes overpowered after buff*
Paradoxum: "Ah yes let's nerf an already weak tower"
Well nerfing said Buffed tower would kinda defeat the point of the buff, wouldn't it?
well you could nerf it without putting it back to its original state@@R3nZed
@@NancyNielsen-gg6zl Which is kinda a reflection of a problem with TDS's balancing. How many times now have we got a new tower/tower buff, only for them to nerf it after a few days or so. It's like they didn't test the new towers at all, and just released them thinking they're balanced.
@@R3nZed yeah but if for example someone finds a glitch with the tower or something.
or they simply reduce it from being too powerful for how easy it is to obtain possibly.
They got the miner treatment
Although the freezer is the worst tower, it's relatively balanced for noobs, as newer players' defenses lack dps, so the freezer buys time. Also the Act III glitch where it perma-froze everything, everyone used it.
its showing how bad it is if it needs a glitch to have use
I have a good idea for you to use them with slugger to do like five times the damage I would normally do plus more freeze time
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I have a rework idea
Freezer base cost 400, damage 0, fireate 2 seconds, range 8, freezes enemies for about a second, splash freezing, tower placement limit 8.
Lvl 1 cost: 350, damage 1, fireate 2, range 12, freezes enemies for about 2 seconds, retains splash freezing.
Lvl 2 cost: 700, damage 2, fireate 1.5, range 16, freezes enemies for 3 seconds, retains splash damage.
Lvl 3 cost: 3,000, damage 5, fireate 1, range 16, freezes enemies for 3 seconds, loses the splash damage but gets the hypothermia effect if an enemy gets frozen over 3 times they'll start losing health and walk slower until they die.
Lvl 4 cost: 15,000, damage 25, fireate 0.5, range 30, gains hypothermic seige ability gives every enemy besides bosses and molten enemies in its range the hypothermia effect.
None of these levels can freeze bosses or molten enemies. Do you like this rework idea?
Ngl when I saw that burn change it felt weird to see but now I wonder if it's a pre-emptive change for the new mode or the new towers
Atleast in Tower Battles the Cryogunner is actually really helpful even though its a beginner tower
i would say that freezer in tower battles is also really good, bothnpaths
@@LyrLyrPantsOnFyr you mean Tower Blitz? Tower Battles towers dont have 2 paths
yeah whoops @@tac0perator
Elite: “now the tank everybody knows it’s a fast enemy and it’s really not easy to defeat”
Sledger: bet
warden: bet
jester: bet
Brawler: Bet!
used to spam the ice ability back it when was present. we took down bosses really easily with that ability. good times...
nice vid and my younger brother brought freezer weeks ago 💀
Ideas, if the freezer was to get a rework:
- In Level 0, let it actually deal damage. Even if it is just 1 damage per shot.
- Give this tower max hits. So like when upgraded to a certain level, let it freeze up to 2 to 3 enemies or so.
- Display in the upgrades section how long the freeze time is. Increases almost every upgrade.
- Have the enemies suffer damage while they're frozen solid. So maybe make that a level 2 or 3 upgrade or something.
- Freezer's defense melting is pretty useless and pyro does it better, so get rid of it.
- Bring his ability back. Please. We all miss it and that was what made him OP back then.
tower battles:
@@meghollowstower battles is dead💀
Seeing freezer being a “beginner” tower I won’t see it getting its ability back, but I guess AoE is pretty cool
Hold on, let me do the stats
Okay, some of this stuff I agree with, but removing its defense melting is very unnecessary and bringing back its ability is a little too much, considering its a Beginner tier tower, it shouldn't be having abilities.
Belownatural, PLEASE release the reworked freezer from your basement. He has suffered enough!
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What about the frost blaster 💀
the supposed "rework" was leaked like 1 year ago
Honestly I want them to rework freezer into being an aoe tower like Pyromancer where it sprays some cold icy waves, or turn it into a mage like character (not a skin) that has aoe stunning on it's entire range (kinda like the fire mage from arena tower defense)
Bro just explained cryomancer
Imagine if the Christmas event is called “freezer’s revenge” where you get a report that a freezer stepped on radioactive stuff and he became sane about all the stuff the devs did to him then he makes you unable to use the op towers like engi golden mini and maybe accel
Though i will admit... They nerfed close combat as the gone doesn't work prob a bug but i guess it's a bit better with the freeze itself...
Its not only bad but alot of strong enemie that you want to slow down have freeze imunity so its even worst
This is the same with the sledger and the jesters ice bombs. Toxic gunner is now the best tower for defence reduction if you plan on bringing freeze towers.
freezer just needs to have it be pyro's damage numbers and similar costs, while freezing after building up a bar against enemiees (has pierce) so that way it can do decent damage, slow and have enough impact to be worth putting in a loadout. Because as it is, its pretty much worthless. Even its older version kinda sucked since its better to just replace the-
10k cost (not joking) with like 3 max gold scouts to get a way bigger profit. Its damage is low, its freeze is bad and to make things worse, it has no splash and low attack speed.
It also affects sledger by the way
Also setting freezer to random might help since it shoots the frozen enemies and it doesnt stack slowdown
No way sledger gets freeze burnt off?
Broooo💀💀💀💀
Archer also can defrost towers that can freeze which makes no sense in terms of balancing because archer doesn't even melt defense but whatever
@@femurbreaker0fire arrow exist
@@Proto_the_wickergen I said in terms of balancing fire arrows only deal 10 dps which isn't worth thawing a freeze affect unlike pyro that can melt defense
Well, for the new unfreezing mechanic that works for all towers that freeze freezer, cryo-blaster, and sledger
I agree that’s a bit over the top with paradox
Cyro-blaster is from tower battles. I think you’re thinking of frost blaster.
Whats next? Make explosion towers like ace, pursuit, bomber, rocketeer and grenadier melt ice? Maybe even accelerator? Thats stupid. By that logic make everyone have to reload ammo like militant.
@@E_manrobloxcyro blaster is not from tower battles what
@@Netzachfromlorit is
Paradoxum games promised us a freezer rework but they give us ranger and mini rework instead, like how many times do they have to rework these 2 towers
For reference for 6000$ you can almost get 2 level 3 sledgers or you can get around 3 level 2 wardens
when you say they nerfed freezer but doesn’t show the sledger is also effected
and frostblaster too
"the worst tower"
@@qwerty_qwerty im talking abt specifically the video
@@GB-sr9kv ??? ye, the video is specifically about "the worst tower", meaning freezer
It’s kinda crazy how a melee freeze unit is better than freeze range unit
its better cus of its strenght.
@@ericevans1196and freeze time and also being able to freeze multiple targets and a fast firerate
why would range matter??
@@szy_kbecause you can attack longer
@@thisisnotachannel15 dps matters more than range.
The only way to use freezer is to use it in a cheesy way, that by just spamming them so hard to delay a enemy that you know you can't beat, That the only thing I've seen it be used for. I used the Pw2 old coin grind strat where you spam freezers to stall the amalgamation. thats literally it.
Here's a good idea for buffs to it: first off make the base fire rate 1.5 - 1.25 but also add a passive at max level that slows By 25% and if there in for longer then 3 seconds they get frost bite which reverses there armor into more damage taken and increases fire duration by 1.5x
why would the fire be longer
@@AverageIdiot-bs5ts cause they won't feel it and take a quick second to actually notice there burning to put it out is probably what I was thinking then
tbh it's 0 damage was too op
True, i think they need to make freezer heal the enemies
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Freezer deserves a buff😞
He's too op, they need to nerf him
@@jasiu6952ikr too op
The freezer rework has never even came out...
@@Ashura530even without that, freezer is so op that everyone banned to use it and nobody uses it
at least so it does some damage or freezes for longer
lol remember when they leaked the freezer rework 1 year ago, and we still don’t have it.
Sledgers freeze also can get burnt off
Also ice tea freezer reduces the radius of where u can't place
Honestly they should give it a upgrade where it doesn't have its freeze burned off when they rework it and call it permafrost, which will also slow the enemies afterwards. Why are they going for realism anyway? There's so many enemies that don't follow those rules.
True
If they want it more eealistic well they should think abour Morter nuclear monster and accel having a void powered particle accelerator laser gun not being able to defeat a mutates bull
I mean realistic
if they want their game to be "realistic" then remove metal ballon zombie that they have in hardcore and actually remove all the zombies because they want it to be realistic
Sledger also getting nerfed in this is horrible for me since I have him in my main load out.
I constantly have to warn people with G. Pyro that my sledger won’t freeze the bosses and tanks that are on fire.
Both of them cost $14,000 each so you can pretty much hold enemies back until you get healed pretty much the ultimate tanking built for extra farming
if they nerfed it it means its a troll nerf and they wanted to say with this that they actually didnt forget about him and we might get freezer rework on christmas update
Dam. You predicted it right
My idea for freezer rework
Coins needed for freezer will be now 2k
Passive: can inflict cold and when it reach to 3 or after freezer hit it 3 times it will gain frostbite then lose 10% (stackable until 30%)of the enemy defence and last for 10 seconds but if there is a pyro nearby the freezer the frostbite effect will be removed from the enemy but the passive will change to hypothermia that will slow down the enemy by 10% (not stackable).
Base stats
Placement cost: 400 or 450
Dmg 0
Spa 2.5
Range 9
Upgrade 1: Cryo gun
Cost to upgrade: 500
Dmg 1
Spa 2
Range 11
Upgrade 2: feezing air
Cost: 1000
Dmg 4
Spa 1
Range 10
Upgrade 3: better snow gear
Cost 3000
Dmg 5
Spa 1
Range 12
Switch: can switch mode to aoe that gives him a weapon like pyro but it shoots snow ang gives him 9 range, 2 dmg, 0.75 spa
Upgrade 4: cold reaper
Cost 5000
Dmg 9 (aoe mode 3)
Range 15 (aoe mode 10)
Spa 0.75 (aoe mode 0.55)
Gives him a slow aura that slows the enemy for 15% ( can stack with hypothermia ) and his weapons change for the singel target into a ice sickle shooter aswell as well as having a new thing called payback that negates the fire and can now apply frostbite every 2 hits and now last for 15 seconds
Thats all, i am not good at balancing but i want your opinion of this is good if anything needs to change
Also have chance to block pyro fire for payback at the last lvl
Tldr :/
@@amalgamation6954cool
@amalgamation6954 what's tldr?
They should make freezer give frostbite after getting frozen wich increases the damage the zombies take by 20% every time it gets hit but still make it stay a single target unit and at max level make it deal 50 damage with 1.3 second atack speed
That feels way too advanced for freezer. I think it should be more about freezing stuff.
@@lowerlord9453what do you think happens when you get frozen genius
@@Netzachfromlor I meant freezer getting better at freezing enemies rather than increasing damage
Wouldn't that also affect yk like. SLEDGER? Sledger is already really strong. It's gonna become a meta tower if that happens
@@Yi-Ming734 you know they could also like not add that effect on sledger and instead of straight up freezing ppl by whacking them he should be slowing them like bruh
Wow Elite is uploading alot of Tds Content ITS AWSOME
the fire cancels ice thing is now a feature for all freezing towers.
Freezer hit rock bottom and kept on digging
Elite: We’re going to use freezer to beat fallen
Also Elite: **places pyromancer**
bro he is NOT beating fallen with just freezer
@@dej.v pyromancer makes freezer even worse than it already is as frozen enemies get thawed as well as enemies on fire don't get frozen, what's the point of bringing a tower that's already shit and then making it basically useless, which will waste a tower slot. of course he didn't think that you could beat fallen with only freezer.
guys come to think about it Below needs to buff, Freezer, Paintballer, Commando, Slasher, Swarmer, Frost Blaster and toxic gunner which is pretty long but, They have been slowly buffing them
7:38 “maybe i need a freezer” XDDD yeah maybe
I actually quite like the freezer, now call me what you want but i think if you place enough of them down they can stunlock a long time for the price, I (thanks for noticing) understand its not the best at its job and DEFININITELY needs a buff but i believe it can do ok ammounts of stunning for its price and i feel like its unfair to compare it to like eletro or sth cuz first its a beginner tower and secondly it 350, quite cheap, i understand the. "freeezer doosnt do anyeh damage so it succ" but its a support tower. I feel like this community is making it sound like the freezer is worst than it is, so please give freezer a chance.
they never came LOL
*Insert random reply about empty slot being better than bringing freezer*
me is hate you1!1!1!1!1!1!1
and also its "I understand the" not "i understand the"
@@WhiteDeath_0001nerd
The pyro not letting freezer freeze has been here for a while and it applies for all freezing towers including sledger
I find it annoying as a sledge user
I think when freezing and burning towers shoot/hit the same enemy they should get stunned because ice/water+fire=obsidian minecraft reference lol
I feel like the freeze debuff and burn debuff should negate each other. If a pyro burns a frozen enemy, it takes off the frozen debuff and applies burn. If a sledger freezes a burning enemy, it takes away the burn effect and freezes it. It gives you the option of stalling with freeze or melting defense with burn but not both
@@JuliusOrbigoso-zz6clice+fire just melts the ice, while water+fire just evaporates the water, where did you get the idea that it would be obsidian when its water+lava not fire
@@jeffersucc ...minecraft? they clearly said 'minecraft reference lol'
plus im like 75% sure that it was a joke due to the 'lol' but idk man
hey heres an idea what if the admins made a new tower maybe called snowman or something that would do splash damage deal defense melting and freeze enemies for long the higher the boss the lower the freeze time but it would work faster plus if it could freeze other enemies that arent frozen yet it would work so much faster it is a great idea if you give it the right stats but the starter freezer yea theres no saving that tower but making a higher level one would work better
There is one time I was obsessed with freezer and medic a couple of years ago their standard upgrade cash was about 14,000 for the both of them without DJ the molten boss always had 2,000 Health left
Why can't they give my boy freezer a break man 😭😭😭
Fun fact: this also affected sledger and frost blaster bc they added logic
So it's a slow type of tower instead of freezing
They changed the effect system. So now they can do some things with it like this that enemies on fire can't get freezed from anything they will most likely add more of these lil things with effecgs
Freezer actually have a use, for stuns in strategy. You know strategy must had a perfect money so you can follow the strategy, because of how upgrade money works in freezer, you can't use electroshocker because the cost to upgrade is different from strategy. And one of them is hardcore gems grind strategy, use it to slow down the slow boss.
sledger better
good logic😊👍️
and pyromancer burn time is rlly looooooong
They really nerfed Freezer for like no reason like bro Freezer has already had enough through insults from the community 😭
Hopefully the devs see this so it reminds them to rework/buff freezer
"maybe I need a freezer" a line as satire as it sounds, i thought i would never hea it said before.
If a enemy is on fire, it can't get frozen. This means if a frost blaster, sledger, or freezer hit an enemy while its on fire it won't freeze them. Makes sense but it sucks.
freezer is becoming more of its "stereotypical freezer" form.
they’re really trying their best to make this tower unusable💀
Maaan i miss freezer ability i feel like im going to cry cuz when i start playing tds and i brought freezer it was so good i spam is ability but yhen when i got back into this game is ability just gone is like it erase my nostalgia memory
Where is the freezer rework we've been promised?? 😭😭
I wouldn't really say freezer is bad tower since it's a support tower and people mostly compared it with its dps. Remember it's in the starter tower mean it's meant to help new player as it's the cheapest support tower they could afford on a early level so us a higher level player didn't use it and considered it bad because we can afford a better support tower that does better and start to meme on a starter support tower that is meant for easy mode and not difficult mode like fallen or hardcore. We all know we ain't bringing a starter tower to a hard mode like bring paintballer to hardcore mode cause it can do damage to lead like at that point that we unlocked hardcore we already have unlocked other tower that can do the exact same thing but way better. We don't really see much people bringing sniper, demoman, hunter, (scout and soldier doesn't count cause they have a golden skin) to play fallen or hardcore at all, because we have tower like minigunner, cowboy, accelerator, engineer to beat the mode already. Heck I use freezer on fallen and it clutch way more than I thought, just by placing 3 max out freezer help out alot and save me from losing so many time.
Being a starter tower and a support tower are not excuses for it being pretty terrible.
Not only is it very oudated (Hasn't even been updated enough to use new animations, and its legs are completely stiff) but it's also just an objectively worse version of Sledger.
Pyromancer and Electroshocker are two other support towers that you can get pretty early in the game, and they help a ton even later on, since they are actually decent towers.
Freezer isn't bad because it's a starter support tower, it's just bad.
You said its meant for starter players to be used in easy mode. Tbh id much rather just use scouts and soldiers to win in easy , freezer wont help at all
@@smirking_moon that's my opinion if you still think freezer is bad go with it. I prefer to use it for fun as it's still decent for slowing enemies down at max if you play right, the game is a strategy game so freezer can have some what of a use for beginners but it won't last long until they get new towers like electro shocker or warden but it still take along time to grind for.
@@Monochromystii I'm pretty sure pyro is not a support tower on easy mode as it has no support because the mode early on have no reason to bring pyro as a support but as a crowd control tower like there is no enemies on easy or molten have defence armour and pyro is better off supporting on fallen and hardcore. Sledger is an event tower so beginners can't get that anymore only if it comes back as a gamepass but ok. Also this is my opinion don't take things too seriously.
I have literally no idea how freezer saved you from "losing so many times" when you spend like 30k (expensive ass tower for no reason) on it to deal like 10dps when you couldve used that money for like accelerator, minigunners, military bases, more farms, hell even scout can get you somewhere better, or even maxed out sledgers if you have the tower that do the job of freezing better and deal a ton of damage. that's kinda the problem, freezer gets outclassed way too damn easily lmao. also just because its a beginner tower doesnt even matter because if you have the material to win fallen mode, freezer is a bad investment. if you have the material to win normal mode, freezer is a terrible investment. if you have the material to win molten mode, freezer isn't a good investment but its not bad because you get a lot of money in that mode, but nonetheless its still very bad to spend your money on it when you can just spam scouts and farms and actually get far, but if you just waste like 30k getting maxed freezers, thats a bit crazy and you're definitely going to leak some rusher zombies. FREEZA SUCKS.
Meanwhile in Tower Battles:
Planet3arth: "Hey you're useful in the Halloween event now, have fun."
Cryo-gunner: "Thank you papa."
Meanwhile in TDS:
Freezer: "Below may I please get a buff..."
BelowNatural: " *N o* "
Frost Blaster: "Atleast we're safe Sledger."
Sledger: "You stupid."
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Devs said freezer rework will only come after everything else is balanced
He said "whenever somebody thinks of a bad tower, this comes to their mind"
No, i literally forgot that even existed
they should improve the dps of the freezer, give it aoe damage and let it hit multiple enemies at once
2022 april: hey guys were gonna make freezer broken like the old days but balance the coins to get it NOW:time to nerf it bc 99% of our promises on bad stuff to get better arent true
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this is exactly why sledger is the best stun tower (in my opinion)
- it's cheap like gladiator
- it has piercing (at a certain level atleast)
- it can deal HELLA DAMAGE, im talking it can take down 6 abnormal bosses at once
- fast hit time, so it can get more hits
if you dont have sledger, just use electroshocker please. it's electricity chaining or whatever is really good, but i'd pick sledger over it
the only bad thing about sledger is it has no hidden detection, but you shouldn't even need that if you have a minigunner or even a gold soldier (unless hidden boss lol)
I never knew that
he can hit hiddens with aoe
@@Paranormal_activity. that too
I want the freezer to have something like the accel, a constant stream of energy. It wouldn’t need to recharge though
Adding the ability back and increasing the freeze time would make the freezer fine atleast
It been 1-2 years since i waited for them to buff freezer every time the game updated i said freezer buff when but every one forgot about it i feel disappointed faster than anyone
Paint baller is actally good for new players. its cheap and it can really destroy the normals/slows.
I remember when he was a must to duo old badlands
Can you try beating fallen with only stunning/slowdown towers
the freezer is the Bison from tf2 of tds. has sucked for many years, yet still got beaten into the ground even after it sucked
Freezer and rocketeer were my favourite towers, then paradoxum games nerfed these towers to the ground
Sledger also has the nerf that the freeze gets molten well when i played with 2 randoms 1 put down sledger and 1 put down pyro and sledger was completely useless
I remember when freezer could freeze everything in its range as an ability
what if u use pyro, freezer and jester together in a loadout with g mini and a support tower (commander or dj prolly)
Remember when it was op and everyone used it for glad event
He need to buff like AoE slow down enemy like pyro and chance to get freeze. Is my opinion :P
Remember when they leaked a freezer rework?
*That was from 1-2 years ago.*
Pretty sure it got a rework
A lot of times I use it for slowing bosses
“Maybe I need a freezer” is something I have never heard in tds before
"You know maybe I need a Freezer!"
*I haven't heard those words in years...*
They should make freezer let shoot more bullets, so it can freeze multiple enemies at once
Ngl, they could rework freezes and give him a frostbite effect (passive dps for all the track + idk, enemies takr 10% more damage?)
It would be some simple buffs that would make him really good
Sledger is gonna become a meta tower
Because if that happens, that logic would also apply to the other freezing towers (sledger and frost blaster) sledger can already do 100 damage per hit with aoe and freezing. If it also makes it so towers do more damage to them. It's gonna become a meta tower
the nerfed sledger in this way as well
i found out by tryna freeze things in my pyro's range
I think the reson was chaos sledger ruled the stunning meta, and they just forgot about freezer
i quited tds a long time ago
after watch this vid, I wonder why you place the pyro, doesn't it just make the enemies goes faster?
I remember when I used freezer during the gladiator event before it was bad. The ability was cool, and was very helpful. Now... I'd rather just not play TDS than use the tower.
Well imagine if the freezer freezes the enemy and pyro melts the ice making an water puddle,slowing enemies down
Freezer: **exists**
Paradoxum: F*** you! Nerf this f***ing shit!
Also I remember about the exclusive balancing channel in the TDS Discord Server, the balancer said freezer's ice is going to melt if its mixed with pyro's fire (how does a bomb shoot through an ice without breaking it💀) I think this was supposed to release on the freezer's rework but it releases now?
Also the balancer must've slept 23 hours 50 minutes a day because freezer "promised" rework that have been announced about a year ago doesn't get released or revealed at all.
btw this happens on sledger and frost blaster
How about make it zero dmg ever updgrade dosent burn from flame and just stun cuz that the purpose of freezer it is to freeze not to attack it is called freezer for a reason
0:38 bro really said i can find a use for military base
I remember when they showed us some pictures of freezer rework
its been like what a year or 2? where is it????
Now pyro can’t be used with freeze towers like sledger or freezer or even a frostblaster
Elite: There will never ever be a time where you want the freezer
Act 3 when it just came out 🌚🌚
honestly it just needs some better freeze and thats pretty much it
They also did it with all the other freezing towers