Switching Back To Matched Grip?! 🤔
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Important decisions in your life:
-Marriage
-Children
-Owning a house
-Matched grip or traditional
Agree. But the order is off? :D Grip comes first.
y not both?
@@Retfie719 It's from least to most important!
I feel the burn... On me... :-(
Marriage? Nope Children? Hell no! Owning a house? Rather own a studio Match grip or traditional? Yes....
Mr brown has a great scense of humor I love it he’s is also a great teacher and drummer
'Preciate it 🙂🙏🏽
Rob Brown of course man
The same thing happened to me. All of my traditional grip practice has pushed my matched grip playing to a whole new level. It was the phrasing differences that made the biggest differences between the grips. Traditional pushes a smooth dynamic flow while playing, and once that was ingrained into me I took it back to matched grip.
"Only one who cares what grip you use is other drummers " Tommy Igoe.. Rob Brown is a fantastic teacher .
You have magnificent chops no mater what, Rob!!!
Thanks, man 🙂✌🏽
Rob, I started on traditional and refused to play matched for 20 years except for when I was playing tympani, (I started my playing in orch and classical studies). Yes I was arrogant and thought the only self taught, or "hackers" played matched grip. But as I watched some of my favorite drummers on TH-cam I saw that some of them played matched and some switched between matched and traditional. So I started experimenting with matched. It was a weird for me at first as going traditional was for you. But I found some definite advantages to playing matched in some areas, and now play matched about 70% of the time. (I do still play traditional when playing in a quiet setting or when playing jazz.). But I have to agree that there is a feeling of power and confidence in playing matched that I don't have in traditional. Conversely I find that I lose finesse in playing matched as compared to traditional.
Let's not forget that traditional grip was developed in order to overcome a mechanical deficit in how drums were carried and played in a marching context. In an orchestra or band setting or on a kit where the drum is mounted on a stand that mechanical deficit is no longer a factor. Hence there is no longer a need for using a traditional grip. It's just... Tradition.
Exactly.
I think Bill Bruford played matched grip.
By far my favourite drummer on TH-cam. Your touch and dynamics and the general feel of your playing never ceases to impress. Your drumming makes me feel good man.
A wrist injury on my left keeps me from playing matched grip. Matched grip is very painful for me where as traditional grip has no issue. I’ve been playing traditional grip for 47 years!
You are a great player no matter which grip you use.
I find this realization to be so interesting. I started when I was 14 years old with traditional grip - that’s what my drum instructor taught me and expected me to play. I did that for 5 years and NEVER felt entirely comfortable with it. I was playing in rock bands and I just didn’t feel I was getting the power I was looking for out of my left hand. So, I decided to try matched grip. It took a little while to get proficient but I was almost immediately more comfortable with it and that’s what I’ve played ever since. Now, I still like traditional grip when playing straight-ahead jazz tunes - it just seeks to ‘fit’ better. But I LOVE matched grip even though I know Buddy Rich would disapprove. It just suits me better and, Rob, it looks like it suits you just fine too!
Rich Pocock amazing story👏 I’m actually trying to learn traditional grip right now😁
Dudes. You gotta check out Jojo Mayer's Secrets for the modern drummer DVD where he talks about Moeller Stroke. I was having the same problem, and my drum teacher worked with me on it. Absolute game changer. So much so, that matched now feels less powerful than traditional
I have had the same story as Rich Pocock. And let's face it - Buddy could be kind of a dick on occasions.
Luke Ross , I totally understand your perspective on this. I LOVE the Moeller technique - it saved my single stroke roll capability - but I play it with matched grip. I’ve tried it with traditional but it’s just not as comfortable - but you’re right, Jojo has a great tutorial on it. I’ll review it again.
You know what I love about you, Rob? I can see (and hear) the joy of playing and also the striving to really express (and nail!) what you are wanting to express on the kit. Not to mention, you have a very relatable and down to earth approach which doesn't downplay your first class ability. It needed to be said.. and I said it. Thanks for what you do and how you do it.
Rob, been watching you for a while now. Your playing is so raw and honest which keeps me coming back. Such flow in that playing at the start! Love it. Big fan from the UK!
Crazy! played traditional since 1966. Switched to matched 8 years ago and left just can't seem to equal my right. It looks like you always played matched... sounded flawless too
I just think of traditional grip as a deprecated function , once you master traditional grip you are already better then any other, switching back after 8 year is a life story , man I spend 8 years at the pool before getting under water :) , you are the best and we love you
I really liked the independent limb action in the little fill at around 1:54. I went back to the "soloing" series, and, Dude, you ARE Peter Parker! Catch that little spider and include him in my next Tspring order.
I saw you soloing with traditional grip...and you did not have the smile on your face when you did this...more attack and power and execution...thanx for your lessons they are just cool
Bro, left hand blazin'! I never tried to play traditional for any extended period of time, but it makes sense that it built strength and chops. Groove on...
Every video I fall more in love with that snare!
I made the switch back. Learned traditional for 3 years while studying jazz. Was abruptly pushed that direction after a hand injury caused me to lose feeling in my left thumb tip. Started playing rock/metal again a few years ago and found that I was struggling with hitting crashes on my left side. Also, just didn’t have as loud of a rim shot. Decided to take the plunge and teach myself to use matched grip again. And you’re exactly right. I found that I noticed the exact same thing. Left hand had actually improved with matched grip after not touching it for years.
I have been playing traditional grip my whole life (on and off for 40 years) but lately have been considering switching to matched grip so I found this video interesting. I am going to spend some time on the practice pad working on developing the matched grip. Afterwards I found and watched your "killer matched grip" video which was helpful. Time to start practicing! I enjoy your videos, please keep them up.
I'm really glad, cuz I prefer your lessons in matched grip! Thank you Rob! Be Safe Be Well!
Good for you, man! Change is always good. Gives you more challenges and strengths. Traditional grip, I have to say, is unnatural, unbalanced, requires more effort, and is very wearing on your hand, as well. People may not realize that, but it's true. Doesn't mean you can't master it and become solid at doing it. I mean, if you held a hammer, traditional grip, while hitting a nail in the wall or floor, you could become good at it. It's still unbalanced, unnatural, requires more effort, and is very wearing on it your hand and fingers. And, great soloing, by the way! You have such a natural and tasteful feel! Be safe
I loved to watch you flow. This was encouraging. I am a beginner and I think I can learn to flow like in 5 years... I'd like to see the footwork simultaneously. Thanks for the live example.
Hey Rob. Sorry to been out of the loop lately with all the Covid19 stuff going on in the U.S. I've been busy with family. I've been going through your videos and playing drums when I can. The one thing you've taught is to be comfortable behind the set. From sticks to posture, I believe no matter what your grip you'll always have that signature Rob Brown style of playing. As always, keep up the awesome drum videos and stay safe bro
New album is wicked! BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? class like that opening drumming.
I loved the video. I think the traditional or matched grip is as much about a drummers head as it is his hands. I have been a drummer for 59 years and used both and the funny thing is- it just feels natural to play some things using traditional and others using matched grip.
Another great video! Truly understood your explanation big time...
For me I use traditional grip when I'm playing jazz and need more finesse; or lighter touch. At least that's the way I feel it.
learn matched better than. with matched i have learned there are a few different finger positions when it comes to playing certain strokes better than other strokes and learning how to swiftly switch between these, to me, is easier than learning how to position a forearm with tradition. Either way keep rocking!! The only difference between the best of the best and the best of the best is the grip.
Funny, I’ve found the same thing, or at least that’s what I think? I started learning when I was about 7 with traditional, started playing rock when I was 13 and it was all matched until 4 years ago when I started teaching and forced myself to go back to traditional. Since then I’ve noticed a huge difference in my left hand!
I went traditional for the look and drumcore as a kid. It's really a grip born out of necessity. After years of never getting as good with matched grip I saw bill Stewart play, who is one of my favorites and I was like why am doing this to myself. I've never looked back.
I went on precisely the same journey. We have to go with what works!
Congrats on your success. That's always good to hear. I'm a beginner again haven't played in 20 years. I'm starting from scratch.thank you for your vid
Oh yeah. No matter what you do its all pro. I love your style and you have the best hands in the business. Great control no matter what you do.
I'm pretty convinced there is a need for both. For heavy backbeat stuff, matched undoubtedly gives the best feel and sound. However, when jazz comping, I would never get the finesse needed not using traditional. Full disclosure, I started playing traditional many years ago and continue to use it at least 75% of the time. I play many genres. When it comes to playing a funk groove, I definitely use matched. In fact usually use the butt end of the stick in left hand. It all works.
Played trad grip all me life,doubles and paradidles fall out my hands. Singles,arm locks up,stick all over the place ! Ever since your 'master trad grip lesson' works alot better. Having said that I got fed up with being a spastic and for no good reason tried singles match grip and they flew out my hand !! Never done match stick before. Thinking about it will be easier around the kit,currently just pad and pedal so you have now got so I can't wait to try it on the kit.
Nice track! So happy for your discovery! Keep it moving forward!
I personally like matched grip because I play in concert band and jazz band so it's just nice using the same grip for two-mallet keyboard playing, timpani, snare and set.
I learned traditional at an early age one drum teacher told me matched is better and has more control flexibility to move around the drums better. True enough. Lately I have been been trying to bring it back to see if I can do it. Traditional grip is a whole set of different principles. I think it's good to know both. Your a good enough Drummer to just stay matched. In your spare time work on it as I do. It's not going to make you a better Drummer. It's not about power on the drums its about feel. If traditional is for you so be it if matched is better than do that.
Buy the way thanx for your videos and your dedication to drums I've learned lots from you even though I've played for 40years. You never stop learning. Thanx dude
Cool take on the grips Rob, you are rocking both. I love the players that can just move between the grips and still slay it. I recall a video where Dave Weckl says he prefers traditional grip for some playing because it enables a very high angle of stick to drum head thus enabling a different sound/dynamic. But pffff what does he know right Rob 😆
Great Video! It's super weird watching you play matched because I've grown super used to you playing traditional. Sounding dope!
Thanks you for showing and sharing some much, you are a great teacher !!!
Welcome back to the dark side, my son. We’ve been waiting 😂
That was tasty, music was just flowing out of your body! I've seen some of your videos and I'm glad that a cool drummer like you, from which I've learned from, is discovering new levels of connection with this instrument.
And I think I know what you meant, actually I've also changed back to matched grip during this quarantine! I started using traditional for the same reason you said (it was the only honest option haha) and although I got really comfortable with it and achieved a stick control that hadn't reached before, I've changed back to matched to start learning to play timbales, which is an instrument we use in Latinoamerica to play genres such as cumbia, salsa, and many other tropical genres.
So it's actually very cool that you started using matched too! Looking foward to see more of you playing friend!
I hold my fishing rod with traditional grip. It just feels more natural and I can express myself better with the fish 🐟
Your newfound confidence shows. In your playing as well as your face as you're playing. I reckon you should roll with that.
I still use both. As a lefty playing right-handed kit, traditional grip helps me to feel more like I'm right-hand dominant for some reason, which helps my cymbal playing stay in time when things get complicated. I also like playing singles using the Tony Williams-esque open left hand - after practicing that way for years, it's actually gotten better than my matched grip singles. My traditional grip is also better at Moeller-type continuous triplets.
But there are other things I do better with matched grip. Plus, I hate playing rim shots with traditional grip - I don't like holding the stick all the way at the butt end because it compromises the stick's rebound, but if I don't, rimshots can hurt my thumb. I mostly practice on the pad with matched now, but I'll still use traditional when playing jazz.
Starting back up after what 20yrs I decided to go traditional like you mentioned all my heroes played traditional.. noticed focusing so much on getting my left up, my matched is making leaps in comfort and control.. Now I flip between the 2 for practice and playing open handed matched is coming to me much easier...
Your videos are so great Rob! I'm taking all my cues on building my new channel from you!
Your soloing here is Bad Ass brother!!! BTW congrats on your new moment!
Q-Tine Time was good for you Brother! Thanks and Blessings!
I feel your excitement. Its very cool hearing it in your voice.
You are just about the most determined clear minded person I have never met. It looks like maybe you just broke thru your own hero ceiling or whatever lol. I share your stuff with my drummer friends whenever I get the chance. And you are literally the first instructor that I have actually taken to a practice pad. Simple motivation
For me just a matter of preference,what you feel comfortable with, and whatever you initially learned throughout your drumming career.I think one is as good as the other. I think it is more about the drummer. A lot of the cats that we admire and are big time drummers,were taught traditional from the start.
I switched to traditional a couple of years ago as way to start over with my left hand and I find the same thing in regards to matched. The more I play traditional the better my matched playing gets. I almost asked this question on a forum to see if it’s a common thing. I’m only a couple of years into it but I find that I’m more relaxed on traditional but work the toms WAY better on matched. Maybe that’s why a lot of the best players play both ways.
Rob, so glad you decided to go back to match sticking, in my honest opinion traditional sticking is so pre 1960’s and only looks normal if you’re in a marching band. Ringo Starr and a few other drummers back then changed are way of drumming and for the best. I have an old VHS tape of Neil Peart where he claimed he practiced for about a year on traditional sticking and when he asked Getty and Alex how it sounded to them they replied that he sounded the same as match sticking. Neil’s feelings was hurt at the time but later on he took it as a compliment since he was able to change his sticking method and still sound as good as the match sticking. Nevertheless he went back to match sticking. True story! As a viewer it so much easier to understand and comprehend what you’re really doing with match sticking and that’s what you’re videos are all about right?
I completely feel you man, I played trad for snare in marching band and at one point I tried using it behind the kit because I felt that my trad was already really strong. But even though I had thousands of hours developing trad on and off the marching field, behind the kit it just feels like having a chain around my left hand. No shame in playing match, keep up the content 🤙
Nothing can replace confidence on the kit for sure !
Thanks for sharing
Great video! Dude, I have been with you for a long time and I think you sound more defined with match grip! I myself play both grips, I prefer match personally!
I have been temping with traditional grip for years and keep at it because my matches feels so good after a trad session. I think it makes my left hand less boisterous. You sound amazing, well done. ⁹
I started out playing traditional grip in the early 60's and switched over to matched (versions) for years playing timpani and mallet instruments. Playing drum set however always felt better with traditional except for most rock tunes. I also got more traditional grip experience playing several years in fife and drum corps.
Alas, I am older now and have developed some arthritis in my left wrist that is greatly aggravated by (oddly enough) playing matched grip, and will have to spend the balance of my time playing tradition.
You obviously do both very well, and I am envious ;-)
Love your videos, Rob!
I learned playing traditional grip. Even when I watched Ringo Starr playing matched grip I held onto traditional grip. I do play matched grip when necessary, which is rarely. However, I have the opposite problem of not being able to master matched grip. Thanks for the video.
I have the same problem, years playing traditional, I can´t get it right with matched and I don't really need matched, I don't play metal so for everything I play I have enough power with traditional.
This is the same reason ive picked up keeping time with the left foot...all my heroes did it!
Hey That was awesome....been watching you for a while !! cool !
Funny how I just tried out trad grip for the first time yesterday because of your videos!
Tony Williams goes back and forth between grips Dave Weckl says it's a more sensual way of playing ,your solo was very tasting , dig your channel and wonder if the traditional grip hoody will still be available .
Glad for you bro! feeling that confidence will boost your playing and audience and your fellows from the band will feel it and say "i knew this guy was good...but damn bro!"
I also felt that, went full traditional because my left hand on matched was horrible. A couple of years playing traditional, and my left hand is waaaay better now. I still like playing traditional cause it's so comfortable in my hand now, but I play some matched here and there when I want to lay down and play real loud.
Great to see you still showing so much infectious passion for the drums.:)
You're drumming is just fantastic!
I play both traditional and matched grip. Keep both ready to play.
Woodshedding pays off and long practice shows. Marvelous sound and technique! Thanks for the message and inspiration.
Really interesting points, been watching your work for years, you've got a great touch, no matter what grip you use keep it up your an inspiration
Here's a thing man. I've been really using the magnifying glass on my technique with all the time I have at hand in the current situation, and what you say makes absolute sense in a way.
Now, I only play matched grip, as I play death metal 99% of the time, but something was just not feeling right with my weaker left hand. Eventually I found out, that my left forearm and wrist had a major imbalance when compared directly to the strong right hand. The way it presented itself was basically as a turning motion as if you were to turn a key in the lock, instead of the wrist motion just going straight down it would twist in an outwards motion in one line with the forearm. Now, to get back to what you're experiencing, traditional grip entirely revolves (heh) around the exact same "directions" of motion for a large part, and you've spent the last 8 years as you said, getting this rotary motion under control. I personally won't, for reasons of the demands of the music I play, employ traditional grip, but literally just using a hammer holding it on the lowest end of the handle and slowly rotating it 180° from one side parallel to the ground to the other for a few minutes each day has done absolute wonders for my left hand control.
Z B, can you tell me where you learned the hammer exercise? Im def gonna try that. My weak left hand has had me so frustrated at times, I've cursed or thrown the stick across the room (practicing, not while playing live! Lol).
lvredsox I didn‘t learn this „excercise“ in any way. You just grab a regular ol hammer with decent weight on the lowest portion of the handle, and then, with the arm at 90 degrees, you rotate the wrist from left to right very slowly. The weight will pull your wrist down, but it‘s easily manageable to keep a consistent, slow pace and stop when thr hammer is parallel to the ground. Then without pause turn it to the other side. Do that for a few minutes each day. Also play weak hand lead single strokes and doubles on a low rebound surface for each a couple minutes every day. Just gotta put in that work to get the weak limb up there!
I just found your channel through the tuning techniques, my life has been changed. Thank you, my drums sound amazing and I’m not pulling my hair out trying to “match perfect pitch”. Subscribed for the other content too :)
your style is so smooth
When I started, it was with matched grip, however, to make fun of a fellow school drummer, I took up the traditional grip. I ended up getting fairly decent with it and stuck with it for several years. However, I did end up going back to matched and like your experience, I felt as if it really did something for my playing. Phrases that I once had difficulty with, while using matched grip seemed to have been remedied and I felt an ability to flow like I never had before. It seems you've had a similar experience from the switch. I'm glad you've gone through this and that you've found a new level of confidence and power. And that's something I noticed, you've always had finesse and power, but... while you still have tons of finesse, your power has seemingly gone through the roof man. Thanks for the inspiration and for sharing this amazing growth in your personal journey as a drummer.
Is there a Pantera reference in there?
@@ChipsNeeson yup I couldn't help but notice that. Phil's a pretty quotable dude though.
I started out matched in the 60's. Got a teacher, went trad. A few years later back to matched. My career was/is pretty much matched 'cept for jazzier playing and brush work. Doing both I always had an issue with the snare drum angle but I had this nagging feeling I wanted to go trad again, or at least fine tune it (admit it - it looks so COOL in the mirror). So with this lockdown I decided to concentrate on traditional and get it good and for good. Problem now is it hurts the soft tissues of my hand and I don't think I can, or want to muscle through it. This video is of unbelievable timing!!
Actually great to see you 'back' using matched grip. That has been my long term grip and, for some reason, I tend to get more inspiration when I see you playing the way I play. That said, maybe now is the time for me to switch to traditional! :)
Red suits you wonderfully to celebrate the occasion.
I never learned to play with traditional grip. I did attempt it periodically however I used my right hand. Now I’m attempting to train my left hand to feel as natural and develop equal stamina as my right. The upside is I’ll be ambidextrous with traditional as I am with matched grip.
Learned playing traditional grip for old school marching band years ago and switched to matched grip a few years later. One advantage I found was that playing "open handed" patterns was easier and moving from drum to drum seemed easier. (ala Billy Cobham, Carter Beauford) Thank You for your lessons!
If traditional grip is superior you would see drummers playing it with the right hand also. I never could master traditional grip, partly because my left hand has always been weak and I’ve had to work really hard to get it up to speed.
Drummers such as Dave Weckl have mastered the traditional grip. Buddy Rich explains why he prefers it in a video available on TH-cam. He was equally proficient in both styles but traditional allowed him to move around the kit more to his liking.
It really is a personal preference.
Also love that little 'ditty' that you're grooving to.
I know exactly how you feel! I went back to traditional grip about 5 years ago, and my matched grip playing improved! I suspect that with traditional grip the muscles used are different than matched and so we end up building a whole new set of "muscle memory" which comes into play when using the matched grip. In other words, we are "teaching" ourselves a new way to move and approach our snare side playing. That is just my humble opinion.
I find with matched grip I can play with more volume. I love the way traditional grip feels, but it tears up my left hand when I play hard. This is why someone like Stewart Copeland either tapes his left hand or ware gloves playing traditional grip. Love your videos.
Copeland tears up his hands, cymbals, skins, pedals, etc........
Just when I'd perfected my trad grip...!!! Was in a marching band as a child, so all I ever knew. Have thought about matched grip lately, but have no baseline. It's just not there for me when I try. But the trad left hand has needed to work hard to undo years of lazy habits. And now Rob goes matched, grrrrr...! All good, mind. He's still the best teacher on YT.
I started at the age of 5 with traditional. It does look cool. BUT it limits ease and length of reach on everything except the snare. I went to matched at 13 as I started to play live more often. The double stroke and delicate buzz rolls took the most work.
Lockdown did not suppress the inevitable. Sure sounds flowing and confident. Thank you.👍🏼🥁
The first two minutes of this video are a great example of everything that’s gone RIGHT with drumming since 2005 or so.
I do have one question though: Rather than learn to play traditional grip, why didn’t you just learn to play left-handed? I only practice a left-handed drum set now and it’s made such a difference in my playing. Live, I play right handed.
Ringo plays left handed on a right hand set up. I always thought his chops would be easy to copy...
Great to see a video on this topic!
Arthur Bird Horses for courses! Look how many different grips Steve Smith uses? Learn them all and alternate as and when required. That's my take on it!
You’re slamming it mate! 👍😀👌🏻🇬🇧
Such a tasteful opening solo.
I use both, even on the same composition, because each grip has its advantages & disadvantages. For more intricate nuanced playing I prefer traditional, but for fluidity around the kit it's matched all the way.
C'mon Mr. Brown--you inspired me to spend the last year learning the useless traditional grip. :-P Seriously tho, you and Todd Sucherman got me to dig in deep, and I was having so much fun looking like a dynamic boss at our gigs. Only, I realized that I never SOUNDED like a dynamic boss... Then I started digging into shuffles and realized that my matched grip was WAY better at shuffling solid 16th notes even after months of exclusive traditional practice... I say heck with it.
Neil Peart spent a lot of time with Trad-Grip and ended up using both depending on the feel of the song.
So, I only started playing a few months ago, and I'm quite right handed (I'm also 48, FWIW). What jumped out at me when learning grip was how much weaker my left hand felt using traditional compared to matched. Striking the pad with each hand using either a matched or traditional grip greatly magnified the difference between them. My left felt less strong and comfortable than my right with matched, but it felt utterly incompetent with traditional, lol!
I switched to match two years ago after over 30 years of traditional. All I can say is, it’s good to be back on the same team w the maestro.
Could you do a detailed video lesson on how to develop ride cymbal technique(playing the bow and bell of the ride cymbal) using both matched grip(German) and French grip?
I've played for 30 years. Taught lessons, played all types of music, studio sessions/touring/live shows, etc. I've played both grips, and I really do prefer matched grip. It's a much more natural, powerful style of playing. I know lots of drummers who have sustained long-term muscle damage from playing traditional grip. Having said that; DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU! Find the grip that works best for your style or playing and go with it. Or, try both!
Great lessons Rob , your cool dude