2018 Shimano Sustain Review Comparing it inside and out to the Stradic Ultegra Tatula Ballistic
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How does the Shimano Sustain FI compare to the, Stradic FK, Stradic Ci4+ and Ultegra? Let's Find out! Also featuring a comparison to the New Daiwa Tatula Lt and Ballistic LT!
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Sustain FI vs Stradic FK
Sustain vs Certate
Sustain FI vs Certate
2018 Shimano Sustain vs Certate
2018 Shimano Sustain vs Stradic FK
Stradic ci4+ vs Ballistic LT
Stradic Ci4+ vs Tatula Lt
Ultegra FB vs Tatula Lt
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So is the sustain really just a 250$ reel selling stateside for $300....just because?
If the CI4+ carries a premium over the Stradic FK....Why does the Sustain carry that much of a premium over the Ci4+
And why does the Exsence Ci4+ occupy the Sustain's Price space in Japan? As it's essentially a shallow spooled Sustain Ci4+
Very strange
It's Shimano that's why.
You added an extra T to Stradic in the title! Just a heads up!
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One reason might be that CI4 has 6+1 bearings whereas Sustain has 8+1 bearings.
sustain has carbon drag washers and more bearings.. thats about it
Another great video Scoob. As you may know, Shimano is very big in bicycle components. In the80s, some of the bearings in Shimano's bike stuff used a series of raised lips like on the X-Protected anti-reverse. The term they used was "labyrinth seal". Keep up the good work
Another awesome in-depth vid. Even without the main focus great job bringing up the streamlined benefits of the Exsence Spinning reel rotor assembly. Think thats an overlooked point many times.
Bass Nazi I dig your name and the fishing hook swastika is a nice touch
Thank you for the links in the description. I know you're an Amazon Partner so it helps sustain the channel but I can say for a guy like me who is pretty unfamiliar with Shimano and Daiwa it helped having the tabs up to look at the specs and prices side by side while you described them. Seems to me the Daiwa Tatula LT is the best value of all these reels. It also seems to me that the Shimano's lose their high quality after a short time. I would offer however, that a possible reason for that may be that your average Shimano enthusiast probably spends more time on the water than the average angler who uses more budget friendly reels. My only experience with Shimano reels is when using an outfitter's. Those reels get almost near constant use anywhere between 3 - 9 months out of the year for the guided trips I've used. With King Salmon in the Alaskan Interior being on the short end and Atlantic Offshore for the longer periods.
You know, I have to say that I really do appreciate your wildly different take on reel reviews. They're as entertaining as they are informative. I find myself taking something away from most all of them, even on reels I'm not shopping for. Thank you 👍
Thanks Ken....MOst.......you mean everything I put out isn't extra informative earth shattering news :) lolol
Tackle Advisors hey man you can't put a price on consumer confidence, which you provide in spades (not to mention doing the dirty work to make us all a little smarter). Thanks to your videos I'm selling off the Sahara I picked up on an eBay flash sale ($56 out the door) for a small gain and getting a tatula LT, now that I know better. Don't worry, I'll use your affiliate link 😁
I own the first and second generation of Shimano Sustain 4000's and they have never let me down. I fished fresh and saltwater with both and I don't know what kind of fish people are going after, but in freshwater I've pulled in 19 and 20 inch bass without a problem..when fishing saltwater I pulled in 30inch Whitefish, 35-40 inch Yellowtail, 25-30inch California Sheepshead, big Red Vermilion and Boccaccio and Bat Ray's for a period of 3yrs before the bearings gave out and go get new ones every 3 years..till this day I still use those two reels and they are as smooth and strong as the day I purchased them..
Been waiting for this vid cheers for the great work
Do you have a review of the Penn slammer III? I really like them for certain types of fishing...they are relatively a little heavy...
Great reviews btw. Thank you for doing them. Very unbiased and for some reason that's hard to find!
Great review. Thanks for this! I can pick up sustain 5000fg for a nice price. Was wondering if I can use this reel for feeder fishing? Looking for a low weight 5000 reel. Thanks for your advice!
Love your reviews. I'm stuck on whether to get a Ballistic LT or a Saltist Back Bay. You speak very highly of both. Which one would you give the edge to? BLT 5000 or SBB 4000?
Hey there, quick question. What is your rating / opinion of the Ultegra as a spinning reel, especially if it can be purchased sub $100?? Thank you, Nick
I'm fishing my two Sustain 2500 FIs intensively for spinning this season. They do a lot of hours with the handles turning almost constantly and they are holding up really well.
Maybe the positioning of the Sustain FI next to the Stradic Ci4+ is a bit weird at some points but... you do get 2 extra ball bearings in the spool, carbon drag, a metal gear at the worm drive, a titanium nitride coated spool lip, X-ship protection and the metal housing.
Do you need all this for freshwater? I guess not but... a friend has to Stradic Ci4+'s and I think the Sustain definitely has a better, higher quality feel to it fishing them side by side.
And so does he btw...
Is this worth the extra money? That's personal but for me it is. And I think they look a lot better too so for me choosing between these two is really easy.
It's about time to open them up and put some Aquashield in there... :-)
Great review! Exactly what I wanted to know!!
I'm so glad you brought up the Ballistic 6k. I'm really liking it. I use 6K size reels a lot for large snook and Tarpon fishing and I've been using a Saragosa 6k for a while but I'm loving the Ballistic LT 6k.
Cool...this is the first bit of feedback i've heard on it. It felt rock solid. It'll be a perfect fit on my 9'6 tiralejo..hows it's drag holding up and have you had any flex issues when tight on tarps?
Tackle Advisors I haven't noticed any major flex or drag issues in the reel as of yet. The drag is different (like you mentioned in the video) and takes getting used to. I'll put it to the real test soon on some giant's in Boca Grand pass. I'll let you know if it really holds up after a few 150+ lb tarpon. I usually bump up to a 10K for that but I'll see what this new Ballistic is really made of for sure!
Awesome!! thanks! Best of luck to you..I miss them things....I used to fish a ton around ramrod key! different world down there...could have bought a house on the canal for 40k back in 09.....stupid me......lol......FYI 265$ for a Certate right now on amazon amzn.to/2q5U77u
And yeah that drag knob is weird right??? NO tactile feedback....with the smalller sizes you can turn the spool and knob at the same time with the right finger placement to get an idea....but it's not something i've ever done....and I always fidgit with my drag when tight on fish
Definitely post an update on the 6k for tarpon. I was just contemplating picking one up for throwing artificials to tarpon. Right now I have a Slammer III 6500 and that thing is a brute. I won't be around structure too much so drag would be set around 6-8 lbs maybe 10lbs max with 50lb braid.
Dude...........I hope you see this...........you're remarks on the reel are what stuck in my craw enough to finally pull the trigger on it...........Daiwa is asleep at the reel in how they are marketing this reel........it's a 4k bg, saltist, saltiga that's almost half pound lighter..............I put it on an 11 foot tournament ballistic 2-8 ounce rod....which is a monster rod...........and I can't believe I'm now daily driving an 11 footer on open beach and back water........from unloaded redfins to 5 ounces and a bunker head.....the setup gobbles it up.......And the super slow gear ratio while needing to adjust to it.........is a surf casters dream.
Hi! What kind of tool do I need if I want to take off and put back the inductor from Daiwa SV spool in order to replace internal spring?
what are your thoughts on the Abu Garcia Revo Rocket? There's a red version and japanese version that looks more robust, not sure if there's any difference in performance, but japanese usually do make their reels smoother than most.
Thank you for all this informations about the Stradic. I just buyed one CI4+ it's smooth but the rotor could be better balanced and the frame has the same feeling like Okuma's C40X. Greetings from Europe
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I just got Tatula LT silver limited edition and I was wondering if you noticed any difference in it and the original. Mine is nice but it kinda seems a little more resistance when turning the handle than I was expecting. Of course I have been using the Exsence. Just your thoughts?
I rarely subscribe to anything but good golly, you got me! These vids answer every question, don't change! Any thoughts on the JDM Saltist 3500, I see its $20 cheaper than other Saltists and I'm curious is there any difference in quality?
@Tackle Advisors Hi, just want to check if the gear at 11:05 onward on the sustain is interchangeble with the nylon one on the Stradic CI4+? I broke that part twice for my Stradic CI4+, the gear just crack and disintegrate. Not sure how to explain this but maybe because Singapore is very human and it cause the reel to have some issue. The nylon replacement part is cheap so it doesn't really bothers me as I could always purchase a replacement but it take 1-3 months for the replacement parts to come. If it's interchangeble with the gear in the sustain, I will order the sustain version one instead.
A wealth of Info ... I''l be watching allot of your videos this year is the year of upgrades ... just grabbed a watched this video and bought a Daiwa Tatula LT 2000 to replace my Sustain 2500 for sweet water ... About to add a Daiwa Tatula LT 2500 ...
Any side by side size comparisons of 1000, 2000, 2500?
@tackle advisors my old stradic fh makes a weird noise when you turn the handle only when line is on the rotor. What is the explanation for this?
I would love for you to add the twin power xd to your comparisons of these reels.
Thank you so much. So its better to get Daiwa reels now eh?
Awesome as usual! Thanks for your time and hard work. For light saltwater like backcountry and flats, would you choose the Ballistic LT or the Saltist Back Bay? I like the drag and line capacity of the BLT, but I also like the aluminum frame of the BB... so I'm confused and conflicted.
I'm pretty sold on the rigidity of the ballistic frame. And the weight savings is real! And pretty much everything is the same. There is the toyish feel factor due to the weight savings that takes an adjustment. But it's proven to be a game changer in my arsenal enough that I now have 2 ballistic lt 6ks
Any chance of doing reviews on the Quantum PT series of reels? They don’t get much attention compared to the rest of the inshore reels on the market. Just curious about your take on them considering they have some cool features (magnetic bail system, flexible bail wire).
I had an broken Sustain 3000XG reel, would you help me rebuild it?
Great video! I really refer to your channel before i buy any reel, and can you please do a full review on banax ionix superior/limited ? Please please please
Which of these would be your pick for jigging for tog?
I have a stella fi and this sustain. Both same size and gear ratio. Sustain is definitely a good reel.
The Certate 4000 HD JDM you have linked in Amazon? Why are they selling in the US market for that price? Is it an unreliable reel they are trying to clear stock? Would it have a considerable edge over a BG 4000?
I use the ci4+ Stradic for my steelhead and salmon fishing. I do however upgrade the drag stacks to carbon. That's the only upgrade I do. I love the reels. Best bang for the buck in the Shimano line up in my opinion. I do want to try the new tatula Lt series though.
What do you recommend in a 1000 size reel for crappie between $50- $100?
Have you checked out the complex XR, or Sophia? Just wondering how they compare to there American counter parts. If they have any, and what reels come the closest.
Greetings T.A . !! Would a Shimano stradic ci4 4000xg work for stripper plugging on the surf ? Or should I get the 5000 Sustain ?
I bought a brand new shimano sustain And I it a really raspy noise while turning it but was really smooth is this normal
Great review, thank you!
I think many people outside the US will have a different perspective in terms of application of the Sustain. If you live in say Australia there is many medium sized saltwater species you would target with a 5000 size reel and those make your drag sing. This is where metal parts and the bearing supported spool come in i think. As well as the higher corrosion resistance, as you mentioned.
Anyhow love the review! One request please - could you get the new Daiwa Alphas Air Stream Custom and tell us what you think compared to the Aldebaran BFS? :D
I know i am replying to this old review, but I recently bought a Daiwa Prorex 2000D LT) in the Netherlands. (Tatula's are not available in Europe) It's the exact same reel as the Tatula LT, only different colors, purple and black, and a lower gear reatio (5.2). You mention at 16.30 how quickly the drag ramps up of the Tatula and Ballistic. I noticed it as well on mine. It seems to come from the rubber sealing/gasket that's attached underneath the drag-knob. Due to its shape, this rubber gasket is giving too much friction against the top of the spool, and therefore adds to the drag-force. When tightening the drag-knob, the rubber sealing is pushed downwards into the upper-spool-opening-cutout (how do you call this?) and adds a lot of extra friction. I put a bit of grease on the rubber sealing and this helps somewhat. However, I also noticed that when I loosen the drag-knob, the drag won't loosen up as quickly as tightening it. It seems the spool stays sticking to the seal when loosen the drag-knob. (because the spool goes upwards a bit when loosing the drag knob.) Not a big problem, but you have to push the spool down to lessen the drag.
Have you ever had a Johnny Morris BPS platinum signature JPT2000 it’s supposed to have 10+1 bearings
Hello,do you have the shimano twin power sw 5000 inside video? or if you know ,if it has metallic little gears ?thanks
Would you happen to know if the 5000 sustain takes a shimano type a or type b knob? thx
Mr. tackle what do u recommend for saltwater fishing reel for red n strippers and also rock fishing size reel plzz tell would really appreciate, u know all ur stuff I don’t want waste money on reel that can’t handle it. Thank you.
can the tatula lt 4000 be use for casting spanish mackerel or small mackerel ?
could you check what is the spool diameter of Tatula LT 2000, is it any larger that Ci4+ 1000 size? Thank you
hey what reel would you guy pick for saltwater kayak ?
I know this is kinda late... But do you think the "new kid" kinda thing of Bullzen line up (specificly Berzerk Immortal) stand a chance against a powerhouse like Shimano and Daiwa?
Hi bro, thanks for video. Can I ask you btw stradic sw vs twin power sw size 4000. What a different about spoon cover. Bcz some times my reel is down to boat floor and I see spoon round is little screch(stradic 4000 ci14) Twin is better? Thanks from Thailand
I can't wait for the Stella fj vs Exist. From what I have seen the exist vs Stella in a 3000 size, the exist is about a ounce lighter.
I'm here in Japan and I am thinking of picking up the Caldia LT 6000 or 5000. Spec wise they look similar to the Ballistic. Im just hoping they hold up. My BG 4500 gave out after popping and jigging less than a year. Cost me 50$ to fix and Daiwa JP said you cant use full drag all the time (They also said it is a common problem with BGs coming from the US Main Gear/Pinion issues). I tightened the spool until higher pressure was present. Never overtightened, but did catch tons of Mahi/Tunas on it. Did I just get a lemon? Does anyone think The bigger Ballistic/Caldia are a sound investment?. I resently picked up the Freams LT (Fuego LT) over Shimanos 100$ range because the smoothness/magseal for my Ultralight setup
(.5g-7g lures). Do I need to spend more than 250$ range for dependability in a bigger reel size? I take care of all my gear and prefer to spend money on things that last. Anyways love the channel and watch videos multiple times, because the videos are saturated with info. Keep up the good work and thanks for not just reading off the side of the box.
If you old have a van stall or saltiga expedition for free witch one wold it be
I own all the Daiwa Lt line up and from exist all the way down to the revros. They are all good reels. I own lots of shimano reels from the sienna to Stella. Out of the 4 Stella’s fi I own...within 3 months two had bad bearings. Between the stradic fb and ballistic Lt I gave the Lt the win by .5 points. Another words I agreed with everything you said.
Crazy thing about the stella fi's i've owned....the first 2 i bought i returned due to frames being misalligned. (which is crazy)
I was pretty diappointed when last year they went down hill. We'll see how the lt reels hold up..And i'm waiting to find out when i'll be able to get an exist. Friend of mine at a distributor is trying to pull some strings.....That being said the new stella is a marvelous reel.....as amazing as the fi's were when right...the new stella is better...although not as airy as the exsence.
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The Stella fj will be in my hands in about 12 hours. Thanks to your in dept video. I hope you will do a tare down on the new exist. That’s my next reel. Will be doing a first impression vid on the Stella tomorrow on my channel. Fish foot. Thanks for all you do. I learn a lot from your vids. Keep up the good work.
You should make a video on how to lube and grease a baitcaster thanks!!
Have you felt the Diawa saltiga bay jigging reel yet.
when are you going to review the jdm caldia lt??
Any opinions on the Okuma Cedros?
Thanks for the video, I’m wondering if the worm gear on the shimano has a real advantage over the ones used by daiwa. I’m looking for a need reel in the 3000 size and I’m trying to decide between a stradic fk (I already have 3 in the 4000 size) and the tatula lt. any advice? Thanks
For fw reels...I was in the worm gear or death camp for my fw reels until last this year.....
If you shim the new lt's right (seems some need a shim added) the angle and even-ness is on par with what you get out of a stradic. LIne management is on par as well....Gliss fireline ultra 8 and nanofil can be a little finnacky....and they have handled them beautifully. And being that all reels need maintenance to perform like new...I really appreciate the simple mechanics of working on the locomotion oscillatin systems much better (saltiga excluded..that reel is still a pain in the ass)
Also look at gear ratios...the ballistic offers 2 a high and low...Some good prices to be had on the tatulas..I use the 2k and ballistic 2500.....been fishing the tat more....i dig it's size for some reason....and my main daily driver is a 3k stella fi amzn.to/2q5U77u
The Okuma Epixor is also a $70 reel vs the $200+ Stradic
Very good information.Thank a lot.
i was thinking, is it better to get a new 300$ reel every 3 years or a new 100$ every year?, for a guy who doesnt want to spend more then a 100$ every year on a reel and i fish for light salt water game like 4-6 pound Blues, Spanish and sea bass... what do you think
After a while my Stradic ci4 started to make grinding noises with the drag and that dumb silver cover fell off the knob. I’m done. Ballistic LT here I come. I fish tons of saltwater and the reds pull like crazy down here.
Hi TA, can you do the KastKing Kodiak review mate? cheers.
Sorry he probably doesn't review garbage all plastic made products
@@woahtay3429 Well that wouldn't apply to the Kastking Kodiak since it's aluminum made. Please make sure you do some research before you rip on some's taste in tackle. 🙂
With the stradic fb. Even with moving the bail mech on the opposite side to the roller. Shimano still adds a counter weight to the roller side.
Could you do a video on the shimano baitrinner D series
Sustain or Twinpower 5000?
Is it ok to use penn oil on shimano reels my shimano is a Stradic fk
I knew you were all about the looks!
LOLOL!
The best video I have ever watched on the differences, the real differences, between reels. I am subscribing to the channel. Look forward to future videos.
I've watched and been a sub for only a couple of years now,,and you are deep into the works, along with the Most A-D-D videos of any. I say that with love. Guess what I did learn is The best bang for the buck is ( for fresh water ) The Tatula LT I have 30 Shimano Reels, including Ci4 Stradic, I was considering an Ultegra, and now I will swing to Tatula LT . Thanks for your work your wit I will be back again 😜😂😂😂
Lolol thanks brotha! I think that little tatula 2k is one of my favorite all around fw spinners ever. I had original magnesium stradic which were ahead of their time. That little tatula is just a pleasure to fish. 2500 if you are in need of a bit more beef and distance
A huge Help,and saved me from a possible mistake with my 💸💸💸 Thanks
I want to ask something important. At the minute 22:37 you start speaking about how Shimano reels, even Stellas loose their smoothness and their performance doesn't hold up over time. Can you say the same thing about Daiwa and specially the LT series after 2 years of use? Thank You
Hello. I recently found your channel and subscribed. You get deep into these reels. After watching a bunch of your videos I see you are a Shimano fan. I have a question about Shimano spinning reel bails. I have two Stradic FK 1000 and one Nasci 1000 and all have an issue. When opening the bail instead of a solid "thunk" sound sometimes they feel mushy but still stay open. Is there a fix for this or is that just how they are? Thanks!
Thanks man! Hmmmm....not knowing how clean you keep your gear...I'd say carefully remove the rotor and inspect where the trip arm impacts the the trip and the brake. making sure the toothed side is facing up and the ring is seated properly. And at the same time make sure the spring mechanism in the rotor is not gunked up
These reels are all only used about 10 times each. All are really clean. The issue has happened since they were new. They seem really sensitive to where they are positioned when opening the bail. Thanks for the reply too. Appreciate your channel.
I have the sustain 3000 and the Ci4 3000. I like both. But the Sustain just feel much better and smoother. I caught similar 3’ sharks on both. The Sustain is better. Lucky I am a Bass pro member and walked in on Customer Appreciation month and got $75 bucks off the Sustain. I got the Carbon Drag washers for the Ci4 today. After a month of fishing I’ll let you know.
I recently got a 2018 JDM daiwa caldia LT 6000, I believe it's the japanese counterpart to the ballistic (with better aestetics IMO). If you've heard anything about it, what are your opinions on it? Would love to see a tear down of this JDM reel. Great vids you have!
i wanan buy the caldia 4000 but is it possible there to change the stack knob to a power knob or it needs a drill?
In Europe we can get Sustain for ~$190 and I think it is worth it. Stradic CI4+ FB price in Europe ~165$. I use FI sustains in freezing temperatures/fishing with waders for atlantic salmon or any other harsh conditions.
Can you do a teardown van staal vsx100 or 150?
For some reason I keep watching your videos. Lol would love to see a Thunnus ci4 review.
LOL...what the !@#$ is wrong with you :) ....I have the original thunnuses and plan on comparing them to the new spinfisher 6. The current thunnus has been waiting to be out classed. It's nothing special...and a step down compared to the originals which were metal framed and had better line lay and were missile launchers...The old ones had x ship and paladin gears long before shimano gave them names lol The new Spinfisher has one of the best mechanisms on the market. It's sealed. And easy to maintain.
Caught my first striper on the new sustain 5000 (10 lbs) handled it well in the river. Drag smooth, reel is super lightweight and line lay is beautiful. Just wish it was as big as the saragosa 5000. Well see wat happens this fall when the 40 pounders start hitting. If you're unhappy with the performance of all these shimano and daiwa reels, try a van staal VR 50, or a accurate.
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Tackle Advisors Im interested in an easy way to identify those Shimano spinning reels with the worm gear oscillation system -- I noticed "X-ship" pretty much refers only to the 2 ball bearing support on the pinion -- but is there a way that they identify which reals have the worm gear? -- also, are you aware of any other brands using worm gear in a spinning reel? +1 Like :)
I have new sustain first fish on it was a 10 pound striped bass 29 in drag is super smooth no complaints the reel doesn’t feel as smooth as it was out of the box i feel like that’s the companies under greasing i beat my gear up In the salt so if this reel doesn’t survive my next reel is a van stal I’ve broken a tsunami shield after one season
titanium bail on the MGL rotor worth mentioning as well to justify the price. stradic ci4+ is the sweet spot in term of price value ratio and that competes directly with ballistic which feels a bit more sturdier
Hey man! Crap....i completely screwed that up! I went over that as a difference between the ultegra and stradic fk when discussing the 1 piece vs the 2 piece bail wire...but completely cut it out entirely by accident......I think you mentioned that a few months ago in another video no?
Tackle Advisors yeah, i forgotten which video but i do mentioned a while ago. the titanium bail is a huge plus for me as it's really a premium material and help to further lighten the rotation
Got a great fathers day gift, a g looms pro green 7'4" ml action rod 6-10lb test. Want a 1000 series reel for it. Budget is $300. What do you recommend??????
Cool...do you want the 1000 size for the weight aspect? Because you may be better off going larger in a zaion or ci4 frame material that comes in at that same 1000 sized weight. But the Sustain, Ballistic, Stradic ci4, Tatula Lt, Stradics are probably your best bet in that sub 300$ price range.
Does the ci4+ 4000 come with carbon drag? Looking for a light weight reel and I know the 5000 fk comes with carbon but I can’t find info for the 4000 ci4+
Crap I forget... I think felt
Congrats for your videos and thank you for the quality time you put in!
I would like to ask if at some point you could do a roller bearing "comparison". Shielded vs sealed and an estimation of quality of BBs used by each company. There are tons of reels in the sub $100 category for example and someone clueless in baitcasters such as myself would love a more educated guess about which one would be the ideal first reel.
I would also like to hear your thoughts on low end Shimano reels, Caius to Caenan to Casitas to Citica to Engetsu BB to Grappler to Curado. What extra do we get for spending $10-$15 extra to go from one to the next?
Thanks a ton!
Where can I buy shimano lube
Great review as always. You should post some fishing videos.
Thanks... I will... I honestly hate dealing with cameras when on the water. Inconvenient.. In the way and I always seem to get SD card issues or some shit
Tackle Advisors hey totally understandable man.. besides, i could understand how it kinda defeats the purpose of fishing. Like taking work calls on vacation..
Nail on head my friend..on top of that. I'm in NJ....Spot Burning is a real issue.....I have a few people that stalked me on FB and forums.....(long involved story after I released a state record 25" x 20" largemouth bass) Posted a pic and a story...and planted false bread trails to the fake location) Only to find out people actually went there in droves)
Plus As a troyphy junkie....i fish at night :) I turned my go pro into a night vision cam..but it's only so so.
So what I do post..it would have to be at a place that nobody would know..which is why you see more river footage. It's tough. Spot burning in my neck of the woods means no trespassing and no parking signs go up or become enforced.....so it's tough. It's the main reason Elias V just moved ...lol
Tackle Advisors i hear you 100%.. man, such a shame
Which one would you recommend, shimano new ultegra 4000 or stradic 4000 fk
Stradic is far and away the better reel
Hello. K am just about buying a new low gear ratio reel for sea bass I shoud say i have caught barracudas and blue fish but i am not experienced on catching sea bass
As i learn it must retrive less than 75 or 80 cm per turn.
I may sell my biomaster 4000 and buy a slower reel.
I want to learn some reels are making voice while retriving. My biomaster does not. But some of shimanos and penns do. Where does that retriving noise comes from.
In the other hand my options are stella fj , sustain , stradic fl. etc. I am trying to make the most reasonable buy.
But i have read a rewiev. He says if you can not afford the stella go with sustain. The models in between will not make a sensible difference.
How do you evaluate this subject
I will probably sell my biomaster sw and do not want to make a stupidity , wanna buy a smooth silient reel.
I really hope my $500 exsence doesn't have the same issues as your other Shimano's in the video you were talking about not feeling the same over time.
Jeremy Wilson what issues
@tackle advisor If you had to use either the ci4+ or the ballistic LT only for the next 5 years, which would you choose? If you chose the ballistic, would u save some money and get the Tatula LT?
For a 5 year reel I think I'd go with the ballistic over tatula due to the extra seals to keep everything inside nice and clean. It's kind of a toss up between the ci4 and ballistic. Both great reels. I kinda dig the ballistic over it though
Tackle Advisors Thanks for the feedback! I have another question though, why is it so difficult for companies to make a reel that doesn’t have any play with the handle? Having a loose handle is my biggest pet peeve when it comes to reels. I know that the new LT reels have screw on handles but I’m still not certain that they will stay tight for many years.
@@jackhuminski3390 it's the shimming between the main gear and pinion. There is a required amount of play in order for it to run freely. But some reels are excessive. Due to poor quality control
Anyone feel free to input.
I need to replace my anti reverse on my Stradic c5000xg can I used the sustains?
I hate that I spent 200 on a stradic just because its smooth!!! But the spinfisher outfish it. Need to fix it so I can sell to buy a new Spinfisher VI.
You have stated many times that you use Gliss braid. How does it compare to others like J-braid or fused lines?
Hi Steven, Comparing it to j braid and every other standard braid excluding fins 40g which is a sheathed braid. And comparing it to lines like fireline and fireline ultra 8...it is very unique. Fireline fused is a braid....the standard fireline is a loosely woven 4 strand and ultra 8 is a tightly woven 8 strand....Gliss will out cast all but 40g by 20% provided it's an aerodynamic bait. (same with nanofil) However...knots are an issue....the reason i had to finish the vid without the ultegra and ci4 is because I loaned the person the tat and ballistic..and he was popping off fish and lures so often he called it quites...WHen he picked up the reels spooled with ultra 8 and gliss i asked him if he knew how to tie a double or triple palomar knot...informing him that's the only knot that will hold...he said yeah..but found out the hard way after losing 30$ in lures that you need to with the new super slick fuzed ines. And that's the downfall...you really have to use either a FG, PR or triple palomar knot for it to hold...besides that it's spectacular stuff...quieter than every other braid..very limp and thin. And it's fairly durable..not the best in that dept...but good enough. The best part is if you fish current...it's very light and doesn't hold water like most braids..so when you cast it floats down slowly giving you enough time to reel up slack so no line is touching the water so no need to mend...There is a learning curve due to the further distance and knots.
Tackle Advisors I enjoy my j-braid x8. I use it on most my outfits. But recently got some suffix fused online. I have it on one reel and it started out a bit stiff but broke in quickly and seems to wind not a lot less.
Just bought this after inspecting against the 2019 Stradic FL. The Sustain felt smoother, tighter and just better. This will be used for saltwater at the surf 1st and 2nd guts. I tried to get my hands on the 4000 Ci4+ while on sale but no luck! Just saw that Certate link and that looks really tempting too! I do own one certate 2500 and it's great.
Definitely not as smooth
I have a Shimano Ci4 that came in but noticed theres a slight handle play when i was cranking it to see how smooth the reel is. Is that normal or did i have a defective one?
People have been saying Shimano's are very smooth but when i compare it to the Daiwa Saltist Back Bay.
The Back Bay seems smoother compared to the Shimano Ci4. Only thing i noticed is that at first crank the Shimano is a little bit lighter.
What you describe is pretty accurate... Start up inertia should be Lower on the stradic... The handle play should be just a hair more than the back bay... The new vanford is coming soon so if you don't like the ci4 you should have a stradic FL'ed version available shortly
@@TackleAdvisors ok i guess ill return this and get that instead. Im no fanboy of any reel manufacturer so I was open on trying different brands so as to experience it myself on what its all about.
But i cant help not to compare and appreciate what Daiwa has done to their products since their reels have given me good experience.
Btw thank you very much for giving this type of content on your channel, because the information you have given is spot on when it comes to what you expect from the variety of egg beaters in the market.
Can't go wrong with Daiwa or Shimano , both are at the top of the fishing game! I have been putting hours on my Shimano Sustain 5000XG and I really do love it , I don't think it should be a 300 dollar reel in comparison with the Stradic Ci4. Both reels feel similar but the sustain has been a bit better under load. Great video and love the comparisons
The newer Daiwa reels seem to give you a lot more bang for your buck. Shimano price point just isnt justified these days.
White Raven Fin nor and okuma also make really good reels, but daiwa are really killing it lately. I'm looking at buying a BG 3500
Ive tried to give Okuma the benefit of the doubt, but they just arent there yet. For the few extra bucks you spend to upgrade to a daiwa your money is well spent in my experience. For my musky reels the Lexas were a big disappointment until i tried a Komodo 350, which didnt really match up to the Lexa. I was looking for a reel to replace my old CV-Z's. So far none of the low profile musky size reels come close. The Tranx 500 is a nice reel until you try to make 600 casts in a day with one. I just picked up a new 300 Tranx i have high hopes for. I wont know until the ice melts. We are still a month away from open water up here yet before ill know.
White Raven I live in coastal California so I fish inshore salt water year round for multi species from surf perch to large rays, shark and halibut. my son has an okuma rod/reel which I use for my light set up and it hasn't failed me in the 2 years I've used it so no complaints here.
Dean Stanley--All im saying is that for about the same money there are better reels than Okuma. I felt like an idiot after paying what i did for a 350 Komodo and later found the Johncoo Titan, a nearly identical reel, for $55.00 and free shipping.
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Please do one on the Excense Ci4+, is it essentially the same as a Stradic Ci4+?
Nvm saw I'm the comments it's a sustain ci4+
My mind wasn’t even in the gutter until you said get it out of there. Ahaha “beat right off”
"Best 350 bucks you'll ever spend on a fishing reel" 😂 awesome video!
Have a question if anyone can answer the help would be appreciated. Looking at a Fuego 3000lt can I order carbon fiber drag and switch it for the felt it has? If so what do I order to switch it.
Hi Thrax. You sure can. Check out carbontex's site or contact them. If it's not listed you can just measure the washers. Should only cost ya 8 bucks or so
Tackle Advisors thanks!
Do u know a 4000 reel with Digigear or Hagane gear with low gear ratio? I want to use for carp fishing but I can't stand high gear ration and all of these are too high!
I know the ballistics in those sizes are geared a bit lower 32" ipt ish..with low 5:1 ratios amzn.to/2H8AsMc
Shimano '15 TwinPower
4000PG. Gear Ratio is
4.4:1... 👊🏼
I bought a 3000 Stradic CI4 from Europe because it had a 5.1.1 that is not available in the states. fish.shimano-eu.com/content/fish/eu/eu/en/homepage/Product-detail.P-STRADIC_CI4PLUS_FB.html Looks like they have the 4000 in 4.8.1
Dude......great deal on a certate right now! amzn.to/2q5U77u
that's almost 70$ cheaper than i get it for on the daiwa VIP program. Last year they brought in JDM stock and a few dealers were able to sell them at 299 so the price is legit....and the seller is very legit. I've bought from them a bunch of times. that reel is identical to the saltiga bay jigger minus the bronze gear in favor of the cold forged alu
whoops wrong link amzn.to/2EkMAXE
do you have a similar video between the newest stradic and sustain? i am wondering if it's worth paying the extra money for the stradic? cheers
I don't. I have a new vs old stradic vid... But the sustain was a one and done video.... Wasnt all that impressed by it. Nice reel... But nothing otherworldly and they should have waited and made a FL based version... A ci4 variant is coming
@@TackleAdvisors thanks for replying back.
I'll for the next release or might go for a stradic fl
I was originally going to get the stradic plus but a field and stream associate talked me out of it and said the stradic plus was no good for salt cause the sand and salt will destroy the inner workings if it went for a swim and talked me into a Penn Spinfisher V 5500. Did i just get fleeced?? Penn was $100 cheaper though. But im after quality and the stradic is light years lighter than that penn too. I just don't know anything at all about fishing and going in blind when buying stuff i see on the shelf.
You won't have a problem with your spinfisher,very solid reel just a little heavy but as long as you don't dunk your reels you're good probably be good anyways if you did...
The spinfisher v is the most forgiving reel I've ever owned...super fucking heavy but solid and won't lock up