Wouldn't substitution be a better understanding of the term ransom or atonement? We wouldn't want to sweep our sins under the rug to be covered. We would want them cleansed, or purified. The scapegoat was a substitute, not a covering. In today's world, money is used as a substitution for a kidnapping.
@@myheartwalks There isn’t a Jewish offering at all that is understood as a substitute. That’s medieval Christian theology based on legal reasoning that didn’t exist in the biblical period… At least in the way that we use the term. Aleph Beta will actually use the term substitution in some of their teachings, but not in the same way that we are in your comment. If those nuances were maintained, I think we could entertain the idea of substitution. They don’t see the “problem” or the “solution/intention” in the same way at all. That’s what we’re trying to learn from in this case. Let Judaism shape our biblical understanding, not shape Judaism to our Christian theology.
@@coveredinhisdust So the "covering" that you're referring to is it like how believers are covered by the blood of Jesus that saves us from God's judgement?
@@myheartwalks that language is probably presuming the same substitutionary logic as before, but… yes. As it relates to a clear conscience, as Hebrews states. I’m assuming you’ve listened to the “Atonement 101” episode in the Hebrews podcast?
Wouldn't substitution be a better understanding of the term ransom or atonement? We wouldn't want to sweep our sins under the rug to be covered. We would want them cleansed, or purified. The scapegoat was a substitute, not a covering. In today's world, money is used as a substitution for a kidnapping.
@@myheartwalks There isn’t a Jewish offering at all that is understood as a substitute. That’s medieval Christian theology based on legal reasoning that didn’t exist in the biblical period…
At least in the way that we use the term. Aleph Beta will actually use the term substitution in some of their teachings, but not in the same way that we are in your comment. If those nuances were maintained, I think we could entertain the idea of substitution.
They don’t see the “problem” or the “solution/intention” in the same way at all. That’s what we’re trying to learn from in this case. Let Judaism shape our biblical understanding, not shape Judaism to our Christian theology.
@@coveredinhisdust
So the "covering" that you're referring to is it like how believers are covered by the blood of Jesus that saves us from God's judgement?
@@myheartwalks that language is probably presuming the same substitutionary logic as before, but… yes. As it relates to a clear conscience, as Hebrews states.
I’m assuming you’ve listened to the “Atonement 101” episode in the Hebrews podcast?
@@coveredinhisdust yes, but it's been a while. I'll revisit that one.