5 INSANE Train Concepts (That Were Never Built) | History in the Dark
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- Sometimes certain ideas are left on the drawing room floor. Maybe they weren't economical. Maybe they weren't necessary. Maybe they were just plain insane. These ones lean towards the latter option.
0:00 - Intro
0:54 - Quintuplex
4:37 - PRR Class V1
6:49 - EMD DDR 6700 HP Electric
8:10 - Breitspurbahn
10:40 - Atomic Trains
"In June 1914, George R. Henderson was granted US Patent 1,100,563 for a quadruplex 2-8-8-8-8-2 locomotive, which was assigned to the Baldwin Locomotive Company. Baldwin submitted the design to the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railway, which in the 1910s was a strong proponent of compound locomotives. This would have been, in 1913, by far the largest steam locomotive ever proposed. In quadruplex form, it would have been 129 feet 10+1⁄2 inches (39.586 m) in overall length, total weight of about 885,000 pounds (401 t), with tractive effort of 200,000 pounds-force (890 kN)."
"In 1944 the Pennsylvania Railroad also had plans for a large streamlined turbine locomotive to be built by Westinghouse and Baldwin. It was to be a mechanical drive locomotive and classified as "Class V1". However, the design was changed to a non-traditional steam-turbine-electric with a Bowes drive between the turbine and the common-shafted axles (there were no independent traction motors in the design) of the eight-wheel trucks. The boiler was a modified Q2 turned around with the grate dropped down over the second lead truck. It is unclear exactly why one was never built. It was most likely because of the gaining popularity of diesel locomotives around that same time."
"The Breitspurbahn (German pronunciation: [ˈbʁaɪtʃpuːɐ̯baːn], translation: broad-gauge railway) was a planned 3,000 mm (9 ft 10+1⁄8 in) broad-gauge railway, proposed during the Nazi regime in Germany, supposed to run with double-deck coaches between major cities of Grossdeutschland, Hitler's expanded Germany, and neighbouring states."
"Back in the early 1950s, nuclear power was very fashionable - much like electricity was 50 years earlier - and numerous ideas for its uses were produced. Some were mad, some were bad, and some just plain crazy - at least for land transport, since as we know, a variety of submarines and ships are powered by nuclear reactors. On land, aside from a crackpot idea dreamed up by Ford, for a family car with a nuclear reactor in the boot, the potential for ‘atomic trains’ was seriously investigated 70 years ago."
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To be fair, the French version of the nuclear powered train (electric trains drawing power from a nuclear powered electrical grid) has worked rather well.
Impressively well
France also doesn't have energy crisis'. Sadly people would rather claim it's to do with nationalization rather than admit the benefits of nuclear.....
those trains are more electric than nuclear simply because they don’t have a nuclear reactor on board. Don’t get me wrong the setup that the French have done has and still does work wonders for them and others, but it does take away the whole “drunk engineering” aspect from this concept.
@@mattevans4377 Nationalisation did work when it came to nuclear power in France as it forced standardisation of design when they moved over to the PWR from their own version of Magnox like reactors when the oil crisis hit in the 1970's remember no US or Japanese nuclear plant is exactly the same while in France they are.
@@gregrudd6983 It probably helped, but I just don't like people trying to undermine nuclear power, which is what some people are clearly doing.
Back when I was a kid, I had a really big Santa Fe book that I wanna say was called " The Big Book of Santa Fe" And there was a section in it about "What If" locomotives that the ATSF was interested in, and the Quintaplex was in it, i fact, the very art work that you used is the same aet work of the engine I remember seeing in that book
This book you’re referring to may be “Iron Horses of the Santa Fe,” which lists and details every locomotive they ATSF ever ran on their rails, steam, diesel or concept. A interesting selection of proposals were made at the end of the book, including the Quintuplex. My guess is that they wanted the extra power for Raton Pass. Being cab-forward would’ve been good for the tunnels...
I love the idea of a locomotive so hilariously large it needs an engine order telegraph like a ship!
This is undoubtedly one of the greatest video topics you've covered. These train videos are always great, but I definitely learned a lot during this one in particular covering what could have been.
"Why would you want a train that doesnt need refueling?"
Me: we have that already.
Its called electric trains.
And they already can run on nuclear power. XD
I think i would love to see trains a big as the Breitspurbahn ones
Fun fact: the Soviet Union actually built a portable nuclear power plant into a self propelled crawler to make it easier to transport. It was called the ‘Transportable Electric Station 3’ and was derived from the T-10 tank. The project ran through the end of the 1960s.
I am kinda surprised you didn’t brought up the 5AT project. It was a project to bring steam engines back and with modern day advancements
That's for a part two..... along with the Super-Garratt (a quadraplex, 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2) by Beyer-Peacock, believed to be designed as the unmade GN class for South African Railways....
For context it was to be essentially the cylinder and wheel arrangement of the MJ/MJ1 class, with an additional trailing axle, duplicated to make a Garratt based on the existing GL class, with 25% greater tractive effort.
There was also a proposal for a Garrett-Mallet,for the Canadian Pacific,to be built by Alco! Alco had the license from Beyer-Peacock for North America,so it would have been very interesting! The CP,had only one or two Articulated engines,and the were rather unconventional! Anyway,a small side light on the might have been! Thanks for your attention ☺️ !
The PRR steam turbine seems like it took inspiration from the N&W Jawn Henry too. Many of those shrouded steam turbine electric locomotives looked similar.
About the quadraplex and quintaplex locomotives as interesting as they may seem one locomotive was built using the quadraplex system.
This locomotive is the Belgian No. 2096 it was a steam locomotive that used the Franco-crosti boiler system, the locomotive was 31 meters in length and developed about 3000 horsepower and the locomotives wheel arrangement was a astounding
0-6-2+2-4-2-4-2+2-6-0
Details
It’s a double ended locomotive
It has two fireboxes
The engine requires 4 or 5 crew I think
The grate area is 6.5 m2
Working pressure of 14 atms or 206 psi
Driver diameter of 1.37m
Adhesion weight 163 tonnes
Weight working 248 tonnes
Water capacity 35.6 m3
Coal capacity 9 tonnes
The engine was built in 1932 the stability of the engine was excellent it could maintain curves as tight as 125m and where negotiated easily. The engines max speed was 60 km/hr
The engine was out of use in 1935 for steaming issues
High maintenance
Too much work for the engine to work
And finally you can get the same if not more power if trains just doublehead or triple head.
I gotta say, 6400 hp even back then wasn't unheard of with electric locomotives. The German class 103 passenger locomotive of the same era had nearly double the power at roughly 12000 hp. Current four-axle freight electrics generally have over 8000 hp. What I suspect the EMD would've exelled at is tractive effort.
EDIT: minor correction (I got my large electrics confused), EMD basically just made an electric version of the DD35A and put it up for anyone interested.
8:10 There are scale models for the proposed cars on the Breitspurbahn on display in the Verkehrsmuseum (Transport Museum) Dresden, Germany.
An ignored potential result of the Breitspurbahn was the higher speed, mass transportation of ordinance.... this could include the transportation of rail guns, if not whole, in larger pieces.
@@PiersDJackson they used this idea for the train chapter in Wolfenstein (2014). You’re in an exceptionally wide train car, something that could only possibly be stable with a 3m track gauge
Fun fact: Snowpiercer copied the breitspurbhn into their own series and is quiet cool.
I was actually wondering about that. The engines look VERY similar.
I was wondering the same thing, actually. I saw the locomotive concepts and went 'that looks like Snowpiercer'
From an engineering perspective, that whole idea is just stupid.
@@Dat-Mudkip Snowpiercer, The Hitler Railway, Or both?
@@Combes_ Snowpiecer; Hitler's Railway could at least be built, even if such a project would be a logistical nightmare during construction.
History in the Dark: EMD DDR 6700 HP is insane Electric
Every Siemens Taurus's locomotive with its 8582 HP : Hold my beer
And even the DB 103 series from the 1965 prototype to the 1970 production models had somewhere between 12,000 to 16,000 HP through its six axles. According to Wikipedia on the DB 103.
Helped get one to 175mph. Was there ever a faster locomotive speed that was not a multiple unit train like the TGV, ICE etc.
@@johnd8892 Not to mention the EMD GM10B, a B-B-B electric locomotive that had 10,000 horsepower at its disposal. And the EMD GM6C had 6,000 horsepower, just 700 less than the DDR electric.
@@AutismTakesOn but to be fair, this thing probably would've had a lot of tractive effort to get heavy trains moving thanks to its 8 axles. the similar DD35a had around 503 kN starting and 458 kN continuous, while the GE E50C (E44a) had only 427 or so
@@joeykidd8916 True, though I think a B-B-B-B electric would be better for tight curves. I mean, there are some curves locomotives with a C-C wheel arrangement can't take, and, being an electric, there's no fuel tank to worry about, so 4 two-axle trucks could work just as well as 2 four-axle trucks. Not to mention, there's a finite amount of reactive effort couplers can withstand before breaking, which I believe is around 600,000-650,000 lbf.
Whoo! Okay, those are some very crazy locomotives!!! Good video Darkness The Curse!
Don’t forget England did build a large network of lines to a gauge of 7ft during the nineteenth century. Under the Great Western railway it covered much of southern England. It was done away with around 1897 as it took up a lot of space and was incompatible with the rest of the rail system. Much of it had to be dual gauge in order to accommodate trains from the rest of the system.
Pity. Would've thought it'd have its purpose similar to narrow guage railways, what with the chance at a more even centre of gravity, alongside other things that the larger axle load could provide.
If this ends up being a series I’d like to mention the BR class 51 “Super Deltic” and I suppose you could talk about the proposed features for 60163 Tornado during construction.
I wake up for the loo at 05.04am to find a premiere. Oh why the hell not.
Now I shall return to the land of Nod.
sleep tight
I hope the Beyer-Peacock Super Garratt makes it into the second part of this series
Reminds me of battleship class HMS Lion. The UK wanted to built a Nimitz class aircraft carrier sized battleship...during WORLD WAR 2.
HMS Lion, designed 1938-ish, would have been a smaller battleship than USS Iowa, which was built during WW2. This isn't the place to say any more about them.
Now one thing I may add how would you feel if the new titanic 2 was nuclear powered
I've said it before, I'll say it again: I'm really disappointed that we never saw any North American Garrat steam locomotives. It would have been really awesome and I think they might have been successful here had they been tried. Especially in the western states and in Canada.
The problem was Beyer-Peacock had a patent on the Garrett design and would only sell to Railways in the British Empire. So no American Manufacture would be allowed to make a Garrett before the 1950s, by which point it was too late.
@@TBone-bz9mp ALCO had a license. With that said other European builders constructed Garratts using ideas after the original patents expired. As to Beyer Peacock they would have sold to a North American Road if approached however they would have been more expensive than the US big 3. You would be surprised how much commonality there is between loco's built by the US big 3 while Beyer-Peacock always considered an order a "bespoke job" for a customer. With that said if Beyer-Peacock was approached for a 4-8-4 for use on North American lines you would have ended up with loco that looked like a South African 15-F/25 Non Condenser on steroids with a firebox specially designed for the fuel that that road used and copper tubes for maximum heat transfer. (The design engineers in Manchester would have loved the freedom that North American loading gauges and axle loads offered) Well at end of the 19th century their attempt at a 4-6-0 to compete against a Baldwin design on the NSWGR was superior in performance but let down by the traditional British use of plate frames in comparison the Baldwin was built to a price, the Beyer-Peacock loco was built to a standard.
@@TBone-bz9mp if memory serves Beyer-Peacock held the senior Patent, they licensed construction to Franco-Belge, Hanomag & Henschel, and St. Leonard... there were others either other British Workshops, or local government workshops.
An American Garratt design would probably be comparable to the NSWGR AD60, if built by Beyer-Peacock likely a bespoke design like an AD60 on steroids... depending on the year of introduction... however if designed under licence by Alco or Baldwin, it's likely to be turned out like Frankenstein's monster, a double UP FEF with half of a Vanderbilt tender over each end... also more likely to run Cab-Forward for visibility.
I regret not checking these replies sooner. Thanks for the info. As for the notions: a 15F/25 Non-Condenser on steroids? AD60 on steroids? Stuff built to North American Load gauges? Cab forward builds? I rest my case, Garratts would've been awesome if they were built here!
Henderson sounds like he'd get along brilliantly with Brunel. Both effectively crazy, but with the brains and know how to actually pull off their crazy plans, so long as they get the funding.
3:58
“Bigger is not always better”
Other examples I can think of for more bizarre or even insane un-built locomotive designs include:
ATSF Cab Foward 6-4-4-4 oil-fired steam
Monon 4-10-4
New York Central C1a
Baltimore & Ohio Besler Type (W-1 motor)
Ace 3000 "modern" STEAM
British Rail's 1976 tentative design for double-deck suburban model
London Roller-coaster underground monorail
London Air Rail
Wardale 5AT
Boston's unbuilt elevated steam system
The EMD DDR electric looks like basically an electric version of the DD40s they made for the Union Pacific (hence it being such a BIG CHUNGUS).
Nuclear power + train (I’m kinda worried) + Soviet Union = now I’m terrified considering the Track record of normal trains and infrastructure and the track record of Soviet nuclear submarines
British Rail+ nuclear train = I'm not sleeping for a few weeks. . . . .😬😬
Radiation poisonig but as a net!!
Surprised you didn’t go over the ACE or 5AT projects, but everything here was still super awesome! Second video mayhaps?
Another type of quadraplex locomotive designed but never built was the Beyer-Peacock Super Garratt.
It did look like two Mallet locomotives with a boiler cradle in between in the Garratt fashion.
A design was made up for a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 for South African railways.
Speaking of another crazy concept, but acually built in numbers as well, was the condensing steam locomotive.
The Germans had a condensing version of their class 52 kriegslok, with a special tender with radiators and fans to condense the used steam back into water.
A turbine and fan created the draft on the fire.
This technology was later used in the class 25 locomotives for the South African Railways, these were used in the arid regions of the country where water supply was a problem, they could cover 12 times the distance on an amount of water as regular locomotives could. (some steam will escape in the air still, via leaks, drain valves, safeties and when starting injectors.)
So a few subjects to use in future videos.
Did any railroads use sound-powered phones for crew communication?
A lot of railways used sound powered phones for emergency use for trackside communications.
Gaitronics is one current supplier.
@7:27 this also shows how far modern electric drivetrains have come, as we now have locomotives that manage to put 6400kW/8580hp onto the rails with just 4 axles.
The DDR was proposed in 1966 to the Pennsylvania Railroad, not Conrail, and was essentially an electric version of EMD's DD35 diesel and their proposed DD40 (which became UP's DDA40X). The DDR would have replaced the GG-1 fleet, at least on freight trains. I'm not sure it could operate through the Hudson and East River tunnels, but then again it was probably about the size of today's double deck commuter cars, so maybe it could.
Bro the literal moment I was like “that isn’t a train, it’s straight up from Ace Combat” you followed up with the exact same thing, what even *is* this haha
this is sick, we need to build, all of them! :-D
Nice video! I think #3 may have come about as the result of the oil crisis of the 1970s, But the crisis ended before Conrail was able to move forward with electrification.
hey i know alot of people have already done it but you should make a video about the top 5 retired excursion locomotives and their history
Would be great to se
I love the C&O M1 class locomotive, one of few times I wish I was alive back then to see it run since it was scrapped :'( and sadly there are very few models of this beautiful train and ones that aren't cheap but I hope one day I can at least get a model of this beautiful before its my time to leave this world
Maybe they'll build a replica
That Soviet nuclear train looks like something out of a Gerry Anderson production like Thunderbirds or Captain Scarlet.
Also, how about a list of interesting trains that were never built. The 5at has got to be on that list.
Could you make a video on the top 5 greatest newly built steam locomotoves from around the world?
At 6:49 the 6,700 HP for an electric locomotive is one of the lower powered even back when proposed.
The DB class 103 which were produced and used with well over a hundred operating from 1965 until into the 1990s when they started being displaced by faster multiple unit trains.
To quote Wikipedia on them :
With a one-hour rating of 10,400 kW (13,900 hp) or 12,000 kW (16,000 hp) Class 103 are among the most powerful conventional electric locomotives ever built and it's the most powerful single-section locomotive ever built. Later, its maximum power output has been limited to 9,000 kW (12,000 hp)
Later one set a record for the class of around 175 mph when some high standard track was opened.
Man!
These ideas were crazy,but some were possible!
I am surprised the ACE 3000 has not been mentioned in this series yet.
13:50 damn bro the new sonic the hedgehog boss looks tough
Lol
I have photos of an emd electric demo that looks kind of similar to that one you showed the blueprints of.
I’m definitely seeing a bit of GG1 in the Pennsylvania Railroad v-1
I have to wonder if a turbine-electric drive would be better? Run a generator off the turbine and the turbine can spin at optimum speed no matter how fast the loco is going
The Pennsylvania steam turbine looks like a massively stretched GG1. That Krauss-Maffei proposal for a nuclear powered train seems to use a Heinkel He 111 cockpit 🤔
The only way I could see a Breitspurbahn being useful is transporting massive amounts of goods and people to major hubs like the capitols and significant trade hubs. Places like Berlin, Istanbul, Lisbon, Rome, Moscow, Cairo, Bourdeaux, and not many other places. Overall, I could see it being something that would have been used for a while, and then it might be saved as a museum piece and that's it.
In a way nuclear powered trains are common in places like Japan and France. Their railways are electrified, and the overwhelming source of that power is nuclear reactors. So a nuclear powered train isn't ridiculous, just don't put the power plant on the train. Especially with pebble bed and Thorium reactors that are vastly safer than the 1950s era designs most or the world is using now.
no, most of the world is using much more recent designs or nuclear reactors, the only 1950s derived reactor i could think of is the russian RBMKs which are derived from early graphite based plutonium breeder piles. But of course, the RBMK is a (rightly so) heavily lambasted design and only russia still uses them, graphite moderated water cooled designs such as the RBMK are pretty much illegal under western nuclear standards cos theyre too unstable
I also had came across the B&O W1 “Beasley” Geared No.5800 which is a 4-2-2-2-2-4 locomotive with the Besler Gear Steam Engine which combines the technology of the Shay locomotive, which I was surprised to also find out that some of this locomotives components were actually manufactured including the boiler. The proposal was on September 22, 1937 and the project was canceled although there was no reference to a year. As a side note the W1 would have been given the largest Vanderbilt tender capacity of 23 tons of coal and 22,000 gallons of water. The final nail in its coffin was the President of B&O Daniel Willard ceased to allow steam locomotive experiments in 1940 after having some struggling financial difficulties. Feel free to look it up!
The W1 was NOT related to the Shay, it's "geared technology" had more in common with Steam Motors found in experimental German engines
I was wondering where did you find the information on the DDR. I want to scratch build it but I need my own plans.
Yes finally darkness can talk about the brietspurbahn
#4 steam turbine for C&O shows a steam turbine - electric loco. The driven wheels would have electric motors and not be steam turbine driven. That would have got around the problems of starting a train with a steam turbine.
*"Eventually it will be so big, that it has to work."*
- History in the Dark
About the first one, there’s also the thing about demand.
I get that it was a large railway, but I’m not exactly sure the demand for this thing would be big, what kind of engine would be pulling that many trucks at once? It would probably stretch from one station to the other!
Might even stretch across the whole railway if it had two tenders as shown in the illustration
Ironically I drew something similar to the EMD DD670 only of a dda40x basis, and gg1, dd35 and sd40-2 parts, and it was based off the Emd G67C and G60C
I don't understand why someone would even want to build a nuclear powered train when it is so much safer (and likely cheaper) to build a nuclear power plant, and have it generate electricity for electric trains.
The soviets actually built a prototype nuke loco based on the TEM 110 chassis with concrete anti radiation overlaying and it was quickly dropped because of excessive axel loads
"That is no longer a train, that's an ace combat boss fight"
for the last locomotive: eventually in some states nuclear power powers the locomotive, so it didn't go very far from his initial project
@@beeble2003 If you say it like this ... 😂 However in some cases it is a real shame that some locomotives have never seen the light, it would be interesting to reproduce them with modern technology
Fun fact: Those steam turbines used gearing to turn fast into slow.
They could have partnered with the us Navy and built steam turbine electric, oh! Right!!! that did work spectacularly and the reason it did work was government funding and warship levels of space and tonnage, but once you get past the financials it’s just like a hybrid car today , run a small engine all the time and you have electricity to run the motor at any time even when the engine at maximum doesn’t do the job when max power is needed, because you store the extra energy when you don’t need it till you do. But it’s expensive and more so in the 20’s ( it weird when you realize you are abbreviating years by exactly 100 years ) when the US navy was trying it .
@@philvanderlaan5942 Westinghouse built the locomotive and many of the Navy power plants you refer to. Expense and reliability were the downfall of the closed-loop steam turbine. Open-loop reciprocating engines are far simpler to operate.
@@kurtpena5462 I was saying the one way to make a steam turbine work on a locomotive was to couple it with electric and then I made a sarcastic comment on how well it worked for the navy. And how the navy had more money and space than the railroads did .
@@philvanderlaan5942 It wasn't about space or price to build for the railroads. Yes turbo-electric was more expensive than turbo-mechanical on ships.
The real difference was that closed-loop systems required a bunch of labor. This is the fallacy of trying to use marine propulsion systems on a train.
Railroads managed labor expense to the point that they built duplex, triplex, etc locomotives (and now use DP) to avoid paying two engineers to operate one train.
If we could crack Thorium powered reactors, I could see nuclear powered trains working.
Powered reactors don't move
cool you showed the brights purr barn that was proposed by arnold hilbert in 1840s
Did you have a heartattack when writing Breitspurbahn?
I would love to see them in model form
The Snowpiercer a movie trein, I think you can see where it's based on.
As for triplex and Quadtro's, they are ALL purely based on Mallards, no Garrett in sight and in order to make them work, you need a tripple Garrett setup.
Two for the two Mallard setups (think heavy load wagons, here) and then mount the main Garrett body on them.
Triplex failed because the boiler was not putting a steady load on that third set of drive-wheels and that was because they didn't make them Garretts as well.
Mallard, High Speed.
Garrett, Tight Curves.
They could have gotten locomotives that could go fast and handel tight curves, if they where willing to pay the Garrett Licence, that is.
Bit of a shame, that.
A really big Garrett could be a successful triplex
Well at least we have the DDA40X locomotives that were built.
The Breitspurbahn plan originally looked into several gages, including 4000 and 7000 mm
it seems that the increased weight of trains with limitations to total weight per meter of track would drop the transportable weight above a certain sweetspot which i think would be close to 3000 mm (estimated...)
I think the real problem with the Breitspurbahn is not the difficulty to build or finance it.
any connection would have a number of passengers per day. if you have rather high capacity per train you only need very few trains per day to transport the passengers.
To get high enough acceptance for the connection you need many more trains, which would be too expensive and leave the trains mostly empty.
There is a train that does not have to stop in order to refuel… its called an electric train xD Got to love inventors
So in France slot of electricity is generated use nuclear power,. That power is supplied to SNCF to run their TGV and such like, so technically a nuke powered train????
@@rolfchristensen8350 Yeah right, again. Let them being stationary instead of moving land vehicle
Some have to stop to recharge though
@@rolfchristensen8350 Well kind of
The DD axle Arrangement PRR Predicted the Gas Turbine Electric Locos from GE and Alco, DD35 A and Bs and DD40X And The U50 and 55s and The C30s
There's another reason not to have nuclear trains. If you just built a small nuclear power plant, you could run electric trains, no fuel required. It would be safer and more efficient, and you wouldn't need to invest in a new train design with all the troubles that accompany those.
@@beeble2003 Diesel trains can't cause a nuclear incident if they crash. They're a good option if you don't want to expend money on electrification infrastructure.
@@beeble2003 I did read your whole comment.
@@beeble2003 Because it seemed weird that you would write such a lengthy comment just to agree with me, without actually saying you agreed with me.
in the next vid, include the Ace 3000 please!
I take it as the artist impression of the German Atomic train & the one from the Eagle comic show linkage and drive rods these two were steam engines where the steam is generated by the reactor rather than by a fire box as with conventional steam locomotives, not nuclear-electric which seems to be the method for the Soviet and U of Utah trains
Meanwhile in an parallel universe:
"Today the British Rail Nuclear Powered Pacer entered service for the first time. There were no survivors."
Anyone think HITD should make a shirt that just says “UNSPEAKABLE POWER!” and have pictures of the stupidly powerful locomotives?
Yes he should
I know you aren't interested in best/worst lists for rockets due to the topic being a bit too limited. However, you could make a list on some bizarre or fascinating rockets, shuttles, and space craft that were being seriously considered. Some examples include:
Saturn V-4X(U)
SSTO SERV and MURP
Convair Nexus
Super Orion
Star Raker SSTO
Kankoh-maru
Mustard space shuttle
Soviet air launched Buran shuttle from dual fuselage An-225
Lockheed LS-200 Star Clipper
DC-3 fully reusable space shuttle (yes, the fuel tank would have been piloted)
Saturn Shuttle with flyback booster
Boeing SRB-X
Boeing LMLV
Rombus Rocket 1960s
Jupiter 3
UR-700 (you thought the N1 was truly something? Behold the power of almost-real life Kerbal space program!)
Diogene 2
Nuclear Shuttle
Apollo NERVA
Saturn MLV 5-25S
Saturn AJ-260-2 (first stage would have been entirely solid fuel)
Douglass Icarus troop carrier
NASA's Maglifter shuttle
Hazegrayart has nice animation on what some of these would have been like.
I have the Trains Magazine that covers this in detail! I think I was in HS at the time.
I’ve got other ones for part 2 like the New York Central C1A 4-4-4-4 Duplex, and the Chesapeake & Ohio 2-12-6, Lima 4-8-6!
Who was heading New York Central at the time of that first one's proposal
@@fanofeverything30465 The heading of the NYC were Clint Murchison, Sr. and Sid Williams Richardson.
@@AmityBlightAndSP4449Fan OK 👍🏼 I was wondering if it was a certain person at the time
“SUPERTRAIN” disco intensifies
Can you make a video about BR 11001 please.
Nooohohooo no British rail P L E A S E!
Breitspurbahn always reminds me of snowpiercer tv series and it became an inside joke with some friends calling it Reichpiercer
You could park that Quadra-podra-thingy in one station, and the front end would reach the second station!
A 4-8-8-8-8-8-8-4 is just straight up RIDICULOUS
Another reason the EMD DD Electric may not have been built is because there was a bunch of GG1's still in operation at the time and also because the GG1's were already powerful at over 4000hp
(EDIT, mixed up my large never-built electrics) this engine was essentially just a DD35A with the diesel motor replaced by a AC-DC converter and designed to replace the GG1s.
"As interesting as it might have been to actually see them built, they never were." But, we can scratch-build models of it. You know, use our imagination for liveries or something. The Quintaplex would be interesting to see in O gauge or gauge 1.
What about a top 5 trains qith a awful or bad begining, but ended up being good or maybe incredible
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Time: 0:55 to Time: 4:36 Early 20TH Century STEAMPUNK at it's BEST!!! XD
Seeing an American styled freight loco with pantographs looks really interesting, almost uncanny xd
That German-designed really, wide train reminds me of an old television show named, "Supertrain". I think it was MBC's answer to ABC's, "The Love Boat". You know, an ultra-luxurious fast train with every amentity, including a swimming pool car, and different weekly guest stars to add to the regular "crew". I don't think it lasted more than one season.
I was just going to post about Supertrain TV show, but figured I might check the comments first. Not only was the fictional train wide gauge, but nuclear powered as well.
i hope the d&rgw L-101 is on this the most ridiculous design that was never built
Honestly, i think someone patented the quintuplex so that no one would try it and patent it
With that guage, the Brietspurbahn would have been "Supertrain".
Go to Idaho, the Idaho National Engineering Area outside of Pocatello Idaho you can see the concept of the Nuclear engine and Nuclear jet engine. BTW, reactors can be much smaller then the concept that you actually saw.
The german dubble decker train well , they do exist on a normal scale , the dutch railways have them for the past 40 year if iam not mistaken ,and are still in use.
The british company Metronom runs double decker trains here in Germany as well on some lines (I use them 5 days a week to get to work) The idea behind the Bretispurbahn was to have trains trains that are like cruiseships on rails essentialy
@@TotallyNotAFox The idea wasnt that crazy , the most efficientway for mas transport was by train ,and even today , they are talking about a euronet railway syste, with luxery high speed trains. to cut short flights to a minum. amsterdam to paris is 20 to 40 minute flight , depending on wind . but you need to check in 1 hr before hand plus a train or public transport to the airport , that makes it 2hrs from arival to flight to destination . plus travel time to the airport . over 3 hrs. the same time you travel from amsterdam to paris by train .
Dude, that'd be an awesome Ace Combat boss fight...
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Jeeze, that British atomic train looks like P2 came back from the dead with a “new source of steam”
I wonder how they would have fed the frontal boiler. From the rear? That would have been interesting. THe Quintuplex would have been a very interesting machine. It would have looked very different from a standard steam locomotive.
If there are any countries where railroads are struggling, they won't be struggling for long. They will need railroads more and more.
A nuclear powered maglev train is out of the question. The guy that came up with the idea is an artist. Basically he just comes up with ideas, even if they don't work.
Whe does the EMD DDR have a fuel filler?
We need a triplex+turbine locomotive. Good at slow, good at fast. Boom i just made the best locomotive.
Also, I'm a bit surprised that Ace Combat hasn't had a oversized armored train based aircraft carrier boss. You could even follow it into tunnels for a trench run, as is customary for AC games lol
It would be hugely expensive though Sorry to burst your bubble 😕
Well the TGV is atomic powered if you consider that France generates 80% of its electricity by nuclear.