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After watching do you think they deserved to be frozen?
Yes
Yes
Absolutely
Yes he cheated and got called out for it. Why tf would you even want to go for Dharc there anyways?
Yes,
Shifter really is the best card in the game, freezes accounts
Jib caught slacking here.
Last clip was incriminating evidence holyy
I don't get why people have to ego. Blue was right that "we both know how this goes" yet red wants to try to cheat instead of admitting the mistake and also wants to pull a "who are you???" Well unfortunately for red, the answer to that is "someone with an active account right now unlike you".
People ego because they're people...but yugioh is especially attractive to people who have no other achievements in life (losers) and compensate for that by being good at yugioh. If yugioh is the only thing you have then it's hard to admit you're in the wrong and made a mistake
if he admitted he was in the wrong earlier nothing woulda happened but some people just dont know when to stop
"no offense"
@@brugmoment2608 I always remember the picture of the dog chasing a bug and leaping at it, but off a cliff. Pride and anger are vices that punish in very strong ways.
" Hi judge I made dharc with two fires " 😭😭😭
lmaoooooo
people just CANNOT stand by their mistakes, they rather cheat/lie to cover their misplays. Just say "yeah sorry I forgot birch and I will summon IP like I intended in the first place." case closed.. But no, the ego must be protected at all costs.
Clear case of Jib cheating.
Happens so often that yugioh players think its part of the game to cheat. Wild.
In another dB grinder video the judge ruled it as if the material leave the field you must commit the summon. We need some form of consistency here. DB is a joke for its judge rulings.
@@tylerspiker9998 was the same ruling, but in this case he comited the illegal summon knowing it’s illegal so it’s cheating, he tried to link, said was illegal then summon a card from and link again, Basically he is trying to go back to get advantage
@@tylerspiker9998 To make this simple, as soon as Jib realized the missplay, if instead of returning the monsters and summoned Birch they instead just dropped Dharc on the field, then pause for 5 seconds and say "sorry no dark monster" (despite knowning at this point Dharc is illegal and only covering for IP), even if a judge would be called they would get a PE minor and the gamestate would go back to Ash and Poplar on the field. Then they could continue and actually get away with it.
Even having a log here and the click to "IP", they could claim that was a misclick since Dharc was actually the Link Summon and neither judge would be able to do anything about it.
And that part is what truly annoys me, because as long as you cheat properly you can't get caught.
@@tylerspiker9998 that was also the ruling here
@@babrad except he summoned I:P lol gave his opponent the knowledge of what he was trying to do and then when called out tried to do the dharc. In no way can he claim it was a misclick based on logs and ignored the guy and sat on his I:p board with birch for abit before going back and attempting to fight him on it. But yes as with anything if you “cheat” properly you don’t get caught lol.
Floo player was in the right (never thought I'd say that)
id say they were both in the wrong. from floo players pov, he couldnt know jib wasnt telling the truth about wanting to summon dharc, so he was sharking at the time. plus most ppl use db to get better, only losers care this much about winning on db. (coming from a consistent top 200 player, i like my points a lot too). playing outside of ycs/regionals should be about learning, if you want to be decent at the game. and sharking learns you nothing. only way they can prove his intentions was by admin coming and checking mouse clicks
@mitchgarcia4455 that wasn't sharking, Snake Eye misplayed as unfortunate as that is for them with the Birch play, then trying to rewind back past the legal play of summoning I:P. Summoning the Dharc instead of the I:P and then trying to wind back can be seen as cheating from the opponent even if not intended.
@@mitchgarcia4455 badatygo is right. top 10 player here you could learn something when someone tries to shark you such as cheating isn't allowed. Hope this helps :)
What is an example of an argument from authority?
For example. “The moon is made of greene cheese. Even Gallileo said it was!” The basis of this fallacy is the fact that, the arguer is claiming that because this 'authority' has been shown to be right about other things, they must also be right about this… they have knowledge around this argument.
@@mitchgarcia4455 the intention is obvious here tho, you committed to an ip realize u didnt birch go back to summon dharc to get an illegal play to start from pop,ash. He couldve take the plays slower and summon birch then go to ip. The argument that it's meant for learning isn't valid here, could floo say you've committed to ur summon which he did? Sure but the fk wouldn't have admitted to this which leads to a judge call
Jib really said "who are you?" as a argument. The arrogance.
I don't think there is anything to talk about this. Jib wanted Birch on the field and he missplayed. Then he trier to cheat and had a gameloss/frozen or whatever. In my opinion, if was Jon James making the same play as Jib, probably we wouldn't had nothing to discuss about the gameloss/freezing.
I'm so glad the judges can see that he clicked I:P. That's HUGE. Imagine how hard this is to prove in real life. This is straight up cheating and they should get banned if this happened IRL imo. Floo player is 100% right.
Floo isnt the vilain???? Lol
Floo isn't intelligent enough to be a villain
😆😆😆😆@@pablepablo2321
The most disappointing part about this is that all his viewers were supporting this type of conduct and saying he was in the right when he is literally cheating and showing you how to cheat!
Yup and even PAK was one of them. That doesn't surprise me tho considering his conduct recently lol
@@CrasH_Dxwait what’s been up with Pak’s conduct??
@@CrasH_Dx Can you elaborate on that?
@@grosspapillon9336 Hes hating because hes a loser irl. Simple as that
Pak when playing Infernoble made two illegal plays in two separate feature matches and instead of owning up to it and actually caring about the games integrity he decided to double down and respond with basically, “it doesn’t matter if I cheated I was winning anyway”. Lost a lot of respect from him for that so it doesn’t surprise me that he was supporting a person that was intentionally cheating.
The Air Blender here, knew this was gonna make its way here soon. I was pretty certain from the beginning that they had the intention to cheat. They were committed to a play, and halfway through they realized a better play they could make. That’s fine, happens to all of us. But I wasn’t gonna take them trying to finesse me and treat me like an idiot lol (funnily enough, more than half the watchers’ chat would’ve been … let’s say clueless). But their stream clip is something that I am only seeing for the first time so I appreciate you putting that in there. Should make the situation pretty clear to everyone
who asked
dawg, everytime i watch one of your matches you shark. while you may have been slightly right here, the way you play is miserable
Ok but stop being a sharker for DB Points, thank you
@@ethansmith1991 Insisting people follow the rules is not what sharking means man.
@@hannessteffenhagen61 if you watch his other matches on DB, he constantly sharks misclicks too. he exemplifies the floo player mentality to the highest order "i cant win by myself so i either have to be a degenerate or shark my opponent in hopes that he wont call a judge and i will win off of it"
Wow, dude literally tried to cheat and then lie to two judges
Frozen due to ego yikes
Jib was in the wrong here yes, but even so he fumbeled that judge call BAD
10% match
*90% argument*
Peak yugioh
He messed up for sure when he said he literally made darc on purpose 💀
This is why i love dbgrinder, he'll shout out people he's featuring but also not afraid to call them out when they're cheating or doing sus plays, a real one
The fact that he tried to summon birch just proves it was cheating.
Cheating is amoral. But so is dropping shifter droll on your opponent.
difference is shifter and droll are legal😋
@@brugmoment2608unfortunately 😢
Yaaaaaaay I love when someone gets frozen 🤩 it makes my day
This is especially weird because isn’t I:P plus oak a perfectly fine play play with only two cards in the opponents hand and one of them is a brick too?
that play loses any bird/extender +duality grabbing robin or extender
its not fast enough. NS robina, cl2 field NS eglen, cl2 ip now empen is on field and sp cant trigger and you've lost everything
Shifter us becoming even stronger. Gets people whole match losses and frozen when dropped. Insane card.
This is your brain on Shifter
At 14:30 when you were talking about potential play, Jib needed to make apollousa because SP doesn't beat floo. If their opponent started by Normal Summoning Robina, then they'd have gotten out Empen before SP could trigger.
Would t they still get to empen before you can even get to appo? Normal robina cl1 ef, cl2 field summon oak, resolve search and normal eaglen. Cl1 eaglen cl2 oak to summon. Resolve summon ash from banished, search and summon empen. Now you have I:p and 2 bodies staring down an empen and that you can’t even use IP under.
He needed to have birch on field for the extra body so he could make appo
Yep as von said they needed that extra summon for a more optimal line
both wouldn’t work very well if they got to combo , they needed the birch
"Also there wasn't any Yugioh in this" 💀💀
Knew jib was an L the moment he started becoming regular appearance
he a W but this wasn’t a good look
I live for the drama in these judge calls
Not owning up to your mistakes and trying to ego the other person. Hopefully this will be a humbling experience for Jib, but I doubt it.
They do it online where it doesn’t even matter, imagine what they do in real life.
accusing someone of cheating irl with no proof doesn’t work , gotta have footage
@@TheDBGrinderI’m not accusing them of cheating I’m just saying if they think this is ok then “maybe” they also do it irl. I think if he just thought through his plays a little more, this could’ve been avoided.
@@TheDBGrinderRL cheating footage is much harder these days, you know venues don’t let people record like that anymore
@@AngryAyrabthis exact scenario wouldn’t come up irl tbf
@@DrRockso9 even without footage have you ever heard of jib cheating irl? , there’s certain players you always hear about but he’s not one of them
This is why you must PAY ATTENTION in high rated AT ALL TIMES. Players WILL try to subtle cheat. Props to the floo player. However you should always shifter in dp since the deck auto loses to Talents rip one 9 times out of 10.
Agree, or at least wait until SP to see if they use wanted to play around droll.
We will never know if Flowandereeze would have had a play or not.
Saw it live, just waiting for your video about
Interesting judge call I can see both side but I see it as if the turn player was trying to get the extra body on field after realizing they forgot to summon before linking.
Every time Flunder is involved something will always go wrong
I did not know Jib was Italian 😊
That clip at the end 😬
“Hey everyone I’m here to sell my $25 spreadsheet on how to get frozen on DB” bro Jib is really really bad
i wouldn’t say he’s bad , he has multiple tops
@@TheDBGrinder bad in this scenario for trying to get away with this
Nah air bender in the right dude made a misplay and tried to cheat it back
he gets a pass for getting hit by shifter droll
gotta thug it out somehow
Willing to bet Jib wouldnt have tried to pursue the takeback so hard if he didnt know he was playing against flunder. Maybe talents look at hand was the real misplay causing jib to lose the match and get frozen
Jib looked at hand, saw floo, that’s the moment he decided to cheat for sure.
This is clickbait. NONE would believe in " x VS Floo" where someone gets frozen, that the Floo player wouldn't be that someone.
On a serious note, this is exactly what I meant in my comment on the previous video this issue happened. In this case, we have a clear INTENTION to CHEAT in order to cover a misplay, that would have 100% WORKED in their favour if instead of rewinding and summoning Birch they went all the way with Dharc. The initial click to IP would be labeled a "misclick", and the state would have 100% rewinded to Ash/Poplar on the field with a p.e. minor. Now imagine how difficult this would be for "Air Blender" to prove IRL without a log.
Wanting a takeback, and even admitting to the misplay would be fine. Doing it like this and getting a warning/dq is also fine. My problem is when the misplay is realized one step sooner and the cheater gets away with it, while the judge/opponent can't do anything about it.
NOTE: Personally i don't think Red or Blue are at fault, the policy needs to change and have you announce/reveal the intended summon.
It would have solved a lot of judge calls with Colossus + Colossus + Titan fusing into a "2nd Titan" (that was cut for extra deck space, and was the most common issue I dealt with after Thousand Eyes on Sunlight VS Salad Rage "what happens to wolf) and even solve the issue with "sorry can't resolve" we are still having with Cartesia etc. And it wouldn't reveal private info since this is either happening immediately before the summon in an open game state, or during the resolution of the summoning effect so even if we get an illegal play the gamestate would have to go back to that particular chain link so the opponent wouldn't be able to take advantage of that anyway by going a bit further and changing the situation.
Jib is straight up cheating. You don't get to make illegal plays and hope your opponent doesn't notice. Yes he caught it himself but there is clear intention on making an illegal play.
I can't just start activating milled reinos with no cards in hand and hope my opponents don't catch it because that's cheating.
The cheat wasn't making Dharc - the cheat was _pretending_ (poorly, which is how he got caught) he was going for Dharc specifically to force a rollback, because going for IP first locked him out of Birch.
The temple with ip play you were talking about dosnt work if they start with Robina because by the time the sp comes out empen will be on field
ye thats why i changed and said birch for sp into map
I YIELD!!!
But in regular tournament events if you send materials to gy and whatever you made isnt legal, you aren’t forced to commit to a summon unless you specifically stated I am link summoning, synchro, etc. at least thats how I had it ruled at an event
nah youre committed, if the floor judge says otherwise then call the head judge
this was wild beginning to end. Floo doing something right. time to play the lotto
Ya I agree this was definitely malicious and cheating is an accurate word for it
He just lost the match? Or was he also back to bottom rank?
what happens if something like this happens in person? player 1 sends materials to ed summon but then returns them after said materials leave the field and the opponent makes them commit to an ed summon. would it become a he said she said situation that can't really be proven?
I could see this being ruled the other way around if IP hadn't left the extra deck all they would have to say here is my target wasn't legal since the summon had not been completed yet.
Exactly as you describe. IRL if the person claims those materials never hit the GY/Banish and were just picked up and then placed back in their Zones there is a good chance they will get away with it. It really depends on how both players explain the situation. As an advice, try to explain the situation properly without talking about irrelevant stuff or when not asked, especially the "but he also cheated last turn doing x" because the judge will think you are sharking, but if you actually have a terrible opponent you should instead call a judge on any illegal action they make separately so they are recorded, helping both you but also all other players in the long run.
Also in IRL as well as this case, if instead of rewinding + dropping Birch they went for Dharc immediately, they would get a PE minor and rewind the gamestate before committing to the link summon, thus perfectly covering the misplay.
yes , i had this come up at ycs philly and my opponent tried to cheat me , thankfully the judges caught them in a lie and i won the call
@@TheDBGrinder common dbg dub
Shouldn’t have posted this cause man oh man that was a double clickfest to get to the point
isnt this what u said in the sean pittman video where u said, "better commit ot the illegal summon" in other to rewind and get the correct play feel like jib pulled that
ok i made this comment before wathicng the last 20 seconds of the video LOL
you can’t purposely make a illegal play (he did)
Wouldn't you miss the window to droll if you CL1 shifter?
nah its a quick effect not a trigger
Wait so did he get just a match loss or did the prior judges freeze stay intact?
match loss into a freeze
@@TheDBGrinderhaha wow
Ahhhhhhhhh that clips hilarious
GG, Jib. XD
:^)
ngl a full game is better than a ban game or a toxic game 10 of 10 times
I give it a 5 of 10 times. Healthy balance. But now I'm ngl, I watch the videos where I think the matchup would be interesting, unless I see toxic in the tag, then that shit just becomes an instant click
like fuck no it isnt 😂😂😂
Lmao, jib watched the video the other day and was like shit Ik what to do.. just commit to the wrong ED card. That's scuffed.
Should've just owned up to the misplay instead of cheating
Feel like this one is pretty cut and dry and there was intent to cheat there.
The frozen was well DESERVED. This is how you stop cheating. You punish them! With a bunch of hand slaps they’ll continue to do this and other shenanigans.
Shifter players deserve the freeze more
Alt title: Snake eye vs Floo
floo isn’t a deck
@@TheDBGrinder how about dem birds
4:20 i dont even think this is true, you only commit to an ED summon if you say it verbally, simply putting cards in the GY without declaring what you want to do with them doesnt force you to make any specific play, you can say "from the context you could infer that he was going to summon from the ED", but he never declared that so you're still making an assumption
thats how its ruled , they could also tribute summon (if they didnt normal yet) , putting 2 monsters in gy for no reason would also be cheating
No once you place cards on field you are committed to playing those unless it is something not possible to do similarly if I said super poly and even tho I can't summon guruda BUT I have another legal summon I have to do it.that's why you need to think before u play it. It's similar rule to why you shouldn't cull cards when u search I have seen people cull their cards and pick a different card because they don't know which one they wanted.
You’re just wrong, if you’re sending monsters from the field to the gy/banished, it’s because you’re either making some type of summon OR just moving them for no reason which is cheating. Nobody ever types “link summoning” on DB to declare what they’re doing
While IRL verbally calling an action would ALWAYS overrule what you actually do with your cards, if you picked them up then placed them in GY (or banished) then you are committing to said action.
This can be a huge pain if you pick them up and then put them down again though without placing them in GY etc, it's literally "he said she said situation" and depending on your records (if either player has warnings etc) most probably the accused player will get away with it at least once (the very first time) in the tournament, even at a cost of a "caution" (locals) or a minor (tier 2+ event, but highly unlikely, although they will be informed not to play around with zone placement etc and WONT get a 2nd time getting away with it)
Misplays are part of the game. I’m still relatively new to DB and if I misplay sometimes I will ask my opponent for a take back to get better testing in. Most times they are usually cool with it and will let me take a play back, but sometimes they’ll say no and I just continue with the play from there.
Chad🗿
Too bad i got a big spoiler from the title, name the video better Austin
my name is justin
@@TheDBGrinder not on twitter
Tbh, I liked watching jibs duels before but now I just can’t take him seriously anymore. I think I’ve lost all respect for him, at least when I misplay I admit it and move forward and don’t try to cheat my way back into the right play.
Have you yielded today?
jib is such a trash player lmao
Cheating under shifter, lol happens so often
i'm really tired of these situations were the opp forces an ed summon, because he know he is going to lose. like take the l for godsake. for some people this digital numbers are their whole life and i'm sick and digusted of seeing this. both in the wrong here. opp for sharking and jib for cheating after he realized he gets sharked.
saying it’s just online points is like saying it’s just a ycs top
i get arguing when you make a bad play but…the IP play wasnt bad just be like ok maybe not optimal but fine it wasnt worth arguing over. ESPECIALLY after resolving talents and looking at their hand like you were in such a good spot.
But internet points tho
2nd comment on the situation and I’m moving on from this, at this point In my usage of db is to test for irl events though playing unrated w friend where we allow take backs bc we’re tryna make the best plays possible to get valuable testing . I only play ranked when I’m on stream in which I keep that same philosophy letting my opponents take back moves all the time. So when I que into rated and my opponent sharks me on some dumb shit 3 minutes into the match I reacted inappropriately and looking back on it should’ve called a judge immediately but making dharc and tryna go back was wrong
So instead of owning up to your misplay and subsequent cheating, you decide to call your opponent a shark. Good show of character right there
Clown shit right here. Straight up little boy energy lmao now you're branded a cheater forever congrats
such an obvious cheat maybe if jib went into dharc first but no went into i:p then was like oh if i say mc and go into dharc i can rewind to the point i want
Nah fam he made maq first before dark ffs
wow Jib want cheat wtf..
I always say cheating is what seperates "great" players from casual players
whenever people say that i can instantly tell they have 0 tops jajajajaja , you think jesse kotton cheats ? you think every consistent player cheats?
@TheDBGrinder I can't say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm somewhere in between casual and competitive. Can't tell you how many times "consistent toppers" try to get one over on me but I know my cards and I know their cards. Don't be that guy db getting "top" isn't hard
Unfortunately the Floo player is right
i don't understand db cheaters. the point of db is to test and it isn't real. just play the game bro.
tbf if that was the case the opponent shoulda let them take it back
@@TheDBGrinder there's an argument for that but i also feel bc you can't take stuff back in real games, it helps you learn better.
ye, i think it's fair to ask the opponent if you can take back, but if they don't let you, it's prolly better to move on; if someone calls the judge they'll have final say on the ruling, and they're gonna rule against the 'cheater'.
at that point you should take the L and do better with your next game if your rating matters that much to you.
Jib did “cheat” here but like bro the 1st judge giving a freeze instead of a gameloss is fucking crazy. The infraction was for cheating. Not for lying to a judge etc etc. like bro you shouldn’t get frozen for that.
There are literally rules for this on DB. The MINIMUM penalty for cheating is a 3 day freeze.
i think cheating does deserve a freeze , and they did technically lie to the judge
After watching all the DB videos; you should know that this is an illegal play / cheating 😂😂 playing ignorant here only gets you banned and don’t play into the judges for leading you to get frozen 🤣🤣
Well don’t cheat. lol what a clown
obviously trying to cheat lmfao
i will say this. i 100% deserve the freeze. this made prime content though . Its only 3 days I accept my punishment
VPN + Alt = full combo jajajajaja
HUGE props to you for taking it on the chin unlike most people.
At least you accepted responsibility for the most part. You're a known cheater now tho
Unpopular opinion. If you act like the Floo player on duelingbook and force opponent to commit to something, you’re bad at the game. If this is in person, 100% okay to be like this. But doing this on DB doesn’t help you get better imo. I’d rather my opponent make the board the intended to make so that I can try to break it. I don’t see how people improve by “forcing a play” they didn’t want to make
i agree , jib shoulda asked to go back also instead of doing all that
@@TheDBGrinder absolutely. made things a lot shadier than they needed to be. Just asking makes things so much easier.
Do we have any hope that DB will get better at this point where even content creators cheat like it was the most normal thing in the world (i know i cant generalize but there isn't that much of CC for db) also high rated players try to shark/cheat like part of their gameplan. the state of db rn is wild
A match loss seems super excessive here
This is the type of shit that discourages me from play testing on DB. Points matter so much to some of these players. That type of behavior would never fly IRL.
Bro I would never in my life be able to look at myself in the mirror with confidence if I went out of my way to make sure that every single rule in a children's trading card game was held to the uttermost extreme.
Nothing was even on the line here. The physical game doesn't have any good prize support or anything meaningful on the line.
lmaoo the community is terrible how is it that the one time a wholesome figure like jibriel messes up he gets threatened to get frozen instantly, but we have multiple toxic personalities on DB that do whatever the fuck they want without repercussions
Maybe it's because being wholesome doesn't make you immune to the rules
tbf calling someone names isn’t as bad as cheating , that’s why the people who cheated a lot all got banned and made new accounts
Idk about wholesome but this wasn't a mistake. Bro made a misplay and then tried to cheat his way out of it all while pretending it was all legit
Lmao "wholesome" figure but blatantly cheats
I didn’t know you could cheat as long as you’re wholesome 🤔
Where does it say you have to commit?
the rulebook
Lmao
@@TheDBGrinder can u tell me what part its the first time i hear this.. i thought u commit when u actually summon
people saying that Jib was cheating are the same one for which db is unplayable right now.
How those calls continuously happen this period????
People are just bad
Yes, Jib tried to abuse the rules, but like the reason why all happened was just stupid. Opponent just wanted to win because drew shifrer droll, was tilted and forced Jib to make a suboptimal play to steal the game
Nice test session bro, for sure youll win a ycs after this
“Yes, Jib tried to abuse the rules” Yeah that’s cheating lmao, cry harder.
you also have to think some people ONLY play on db and don’t play irl , like i play one piece online but i have never played irl
@@TheDBGrinder
@martinrios3546 How i can reply to all of you gosh
@martinrios3546
1. Never intended to defend Jib's cheat, just pointing out HOW the opponent was bad. Did i write that Jib was right in abusing them?
2. @TheDBGrinder but Jib not! I dont understand why I have to respect people that consider DB their goal of life, while THEY CLEARLY DONT.
I have never experienced IRL situations like
"You did it check logs"
"Judge opponent took 23 sec to do move 1, 46 to do move 2 etc"
People have to understand that, even though they are similar similar, DB and YGO are different, they have also slight different rules.
Let's be honest, people that act like "you did it" after 0.5sec CLEARLY do it only for winning that game.
Isnt this abusing a situation for winning a game??
Moreover, Jib here WAS WRONG, but how many times it happens to be an actual missclick and you have to let it go otherwise you wait 2 hours for a judge for a position of a monster? How many?
And to the other guy that was praising for ygo pro, sure, continue playing there. You also have omega and other very beautiful platforms in which NOBODY with a brain tests
Personally if I was jib id just leave the game and move on if someone started sharking or doing whatever. Im there to playtest not tryhard for a couple internet points no one cares about
#FREEJIB
Didn't think Jib would try to blatantly cheat like that lmao
What do you expect? Usual na gameplay, u can bet he did illegal dharc to force a replay before
@@raphain0c Whoa brother, idk what NA gameplay you've seen but we play an honest and true game on the states
He literally said on his stream that he 100 was just going to cheat
bozo 🚨
Leave it to a floo player to shark
Looks like u didn't watch the entire video
@@Custarddolphinthe floo players not in the wrong rule wise but the vast majority of db is practicing for irl events. It's kinda rare to see someone actually call a judge over this on db.
@@fortant691people need the internet points lol
@@fortant691 It happens all of the time. On DB take backs are entirely up to the discretion of the other player. The only time you're really obligated to allow take backs is if your opponent let you do so in the first place. Its bad manners to bitch about something going against you when you can just as easily do the same thing if your position is reversed. It reeks of salt and is toxic af.
Yes because calling your opponent out for cheating = sharking.