Very cool. It's odd how the use of the word "partner" has overtaken "wife" or just good old fashioned "girlfriend" though. Are they in business together or??? Anyway good on him!
Last Monday I had lunch with Tom, who is 97, and joined the navy at the age of 15 and a half. HMS Howe was his first ship. He told me stories of arctic convoys and chipping ice off the guns.
If I sail over Spithead on a moonlit night, I often see in my minds eye all of our great Battleships silent and silhouetted against the moon, mighty phantoms of the night, Rodney, Nelson, Barham, King George V, Repulse, Revenge, Renown, the Prince of Wales... ....and in the centre with her high spotting bridge HMS Hood.
Wow, that must have been some sight. Rodney was the perfect BB to bring in to redecorate the upper works of the Bismark, since speed was not a factor at that point. Rodney happily obliged.
@barryguerrero6480 Yes Barry, Rodney was there by pure chance. She was at sea travelling with a merchant ship convoy to the US, she was on her way for a major refit on the US east coast. ...Just at sea at the right moment and fully armed with her 16 inch shells for her 9 16 inch guns.
Obsolete by the time they were finally launched. The current RN fleet is much more sensible. Two SOTA carrier strike groups, long range nuclear subs, etc. HMS Diamond, a Type 45 destroyer, is more powerful & at much longer ranges than a KG5-Class battleship. Things change. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto advised his navy ministry the battleship had seen its best days well before WW2.
My late Dad, a National Service Castle Class (the Oakham) man later served for three weeks on Anson. It was too big for him & he hated it, so he was drafted to the Hengist (ocean going tug), then No.1 barrack guard at Drake. He spoke regularly and with real passion about his time in the RN right up until he crossed the bar on 25th September 2021, aged 90. He loved anything RN & collected tallies for many years. His first tally was of the Howe. I took him to pompey to see the 'new' Queen Elizabeth & he loved the boat trip around the harbour to see her & the Dragon. All the times I spent with him over the years are treasured memories - of a man who loved his family, the RN & his country.
I’ll try and paraphrase a comment I half remember reading somewhere… “If all the history of our great nation was a classic film, we are presently living in the post credits ‘blooper reel’ “
My dad was on the arctic convoy in Flower class corvette HMS Lubilia as a sonar operator my Dad would have been 103 this month allso served in Atlantic and Mediterranean and got called up for Korea on cruiser HMS Superb incidentaly the ship used to replicate the Graf spee in the film battle of the river plate she was built in swan hunters wallsend yard where my dad worked as a scaffolder after the war these brave men were never reconized for their bravery by successive British govt until about 2000 the Russians awarded them the north Russia star which is still in my late mothers home on the wall in a plaque where my younger brother now live absolute disgraced they were eventually shamed into it Brave men all of them !!!!!
I had thought the US navy supplied the ship to replicate the Graf Spee. There is a scene where the commodores boat is arriving back at Graf Spee and being lifted onto deck and the sailors manning one of the guns are wearing the old style US steel helmet.
@ yes your right got a bit mixed up there but she was built at swan hunter with her sister ship HMS tiger the only two of their class built before the cruiser idea was scrapped by the Royal Navy along with battle ships
While Anson and Howe were preeminent commanders in the history of the Royal Navy, I still prefer the original names of Beaty and Jellicoe... Wonderful ships both, and they feature 4 gun turrets fore and aft - a rare sight among Royal Navy battleships.
Well, it is hard to compare to the USN 16" Superheavy as it was only used seriously vs a major naval target once and that was a flimsy battlecruiser from WWI. But the Rodney and KGV at the final action vs Bismarck silenced the Bismarck in about 20 minuttes (21 IIRC and half the main battery was out in the very first minuttes). Some claim that Bismarck already was sinking when the torpedoes hit others that she was scuttled, but no matter what she had at that time ceased to be a fighting ship which is what it is all about and why Tovey chosed to go close. The protection scheme of Bismarck was optimised to protect the interrnals vs short range fire and that worked as intended, but still couldn't keep the ship in the fight for more than a few minuttes. You could call that bad design as you could about the SoDak who at Guudalcanal was de facto silenced by much lighter fire taking out all ther cabling and "eyes" (and the engineer shorcutting her power on top of that) and had it not been for the Washington showing up she probably would have been sunk (by torpedoes). BTW the 14" of DoY also worked fine vs Scharnhorst who had a protection scheme on par with Bismarck.
It isn’t comical, because they were good aircraft, but they comment on the spotting plane and off shoots a Shagbat (Walrus) and then the torpedo bomber is what appears to be an Applecore. Good aircraft that looked so old and out of place.
Even 20 years after the Battle of Jutland controversy raged on about British Admiral Jellicoe’s strategic and tactical decisions and the way he fought his fleet. Admiral Beatty always claimed he would have caused much more harm to the Imperial German High Seas Fleet, but never gave a satisfactory answer as to why he didn’t handle his battlecruisers more effectively. For myself I believe that Beatty was the more aggressive of the two British Admirals but at times Beatty could be reckless. Every one of Jellicoe’s strategic decisions was correct, in my opinion, and I think his tactical decisions were correct as well. Perhaps not as tactically aggressive as Nelson’s decisions would have been but Jellicoe had to remember that he could not be defeated. The loss of the Royal Navy Grand Fleet was final, it could never be replaced fast enough. The British Blockade of Imperial Germany would disappear overnight and Germany would have access to the factories and mineral resources of North and South America. As long as the Royal Navy Blockade was in place time was on the side of Britain and France. Jellicoe was the only man on either side - Military or Civilian - who could lose the entire war in a single afternoon. Jellicoe fought not to win the Battle of Jutland, but to avoid losing it. I think Jellicoe did the right thing. Right now I am reading “Jutland: the Unfinished Battle” written by Jellicoe’s grandson, Nicholas Jellicoe.
Well my Grandfather was a gunners mate on the USS Massachusetts and they were doing shore bombardment at the end of the war with the British Pacific Fleet and the King George V and I think Anson was the second one but he said they were all in awe at the volume of fire the KGV’s were putting out something they couldn’t come close to matching on the Massachusetts.
My uncle served on HMS Howe thru to the end of the war. He is still going strong at 101 living with his partner in Dorset.
Very cool. It's odd how the use of the word "partner" has overtaken "wife" or just good old fashioned "girlfriend" though. Are they in business together or??? Anyway good on him!
Last Monday I had lunch with Tom, who is 97, and joined the navy at the age of 15 and a half. HMS Howe was his first ship. He told me stories of arctic convoys and chipping ice off the guns.
As did my grandad .
He was a gunner on Anson.
Also being from Newcastle he watched it's last journey up the Tyne to breakers yard
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If I sail over Spithead on a moonlit night, I often see in my minds eye all of our great Battleships silent and silhouetted against the moon, mighty phantoms of the night, Rodney, Nelson, Barham, King George V, Repulse, Revenge, Renown, the Prince of Wales...
....and in the centre with her high spotting bridge HMS Hood.
Wow, that must have been some sight. Rodney was the perfect BB to bring in to redecorate the upper works of the Bismark, since speed was not a factor at that point. Rodney happily obliged.
@barryguerrero6480 Yes Barry, Rodney was there by pure chance. She was at sea travelling with a merchant ship convoy to the US, she was on her way for a major refit on the US east coast. ...Just at sea at the right moment and fully armed with her 16 inch shells for her 9 16 inch guns.
Absolutely tragic that Britain didn't preserve at least one battleship for the nation! Now we can barely field a frigate.
You haven't noticed the two 60,000 ton aircraft carriers then?
@@Longboardsinglefin😂
@@Longboardsinglefin What,there are times the 2 can actually sail for more than a few days?^^
Obsolete by the time they were finally launched. The current RN fleet is much more sensible. Two SOTA carrier strike groups, long range nuclear subs, etc. HMS Diamond, a Type 45 destroyer, is more powerful & at much longer ranges than a KG5-Class battleship. Things change. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto advised his navy ministry the battleship had seen its best days well before WW2.
Britain was broke. And the nation was done with war. It is just a hunk of steel to them. Scrap it and make some money.
My late Dad, a National Service Castle Class (the Oakham) man later served for three weeks on Anson. It was too big for him & he hated it, so he was drafted to the Hengist (ocean going tug), then No.1 barrack guard at Drake. He spoke regularly and with real passion about his time in the RN right up until he crossed the bar on 25th September 2021, aged 90. He loved anything RN & collected tallies for many years. His first tally was of the Howe. I took him to pompey to see the 'new' Queen Elizabeth & he loved the boat trip around the harbour to see her & the Dragon. All the times I spent with him over the years are treasured memories - of a man who loved his family, the RN & his country.
my dad trained on a carrier then did all his service of HMS Diamond, a Daring class destroyer.
My old man was a stoker on HMS Valiant and HMS Hotspur.
My father was an engineer on HMS Howe at Okinawa
I’ll try and paraphrase a comment I half remember reading somewhere…
“If all the history of our great nation was a classic film, we are presently living in the post credits ‘blooper reel’ “
Magnificent 🇬🇧
0:42 - pipe smoker in asbestos overalls and gloves, sporting a derby hat - 1940s British engineering at its finest.
My Dad was on the Howe.
My grandad John horey was a gunner on Anson.
"Happy Hunting"
Fantastic footage. 👍
When Britain was great 😢
03:59 What is this procedure called ? And what is does ?
They are dropping the anchor !!!
@@phillipdoorbar1615 Thankyou sir.
In Which city do you stay sir ?
Magnificent!
My dad was on the arctic convoy in Flower class corvette HMS Lubilia as a sonar operator my Dad would have been 103 this month allso served in Atlantic and Mediterranean and got called up for Korea on cruiser HMS Superb incidentaly the ship used to replicate the Graf spee in the film battle of the river plate she was built in swan hunters wallsend yard where my dad worked as a scaffolder after the war these brave men were never reconized for their bravery by successive British govt until about 2000 the Russians awarded them the north Russia star which is still in my late mothers home on the wall in a plaque where my younger brother now live absolute disgraced they were eventually shamed into it Brave men all of them !!!!!
I had thought the US navy supplied the ship to replicate the Graf Spee. There is a scene where the commodores boat is arriving back at Graf Spee and being lifted onto deck and the sailors manning one of the guns are wearing the old style US steel helmet.
I believe it was USS Salem.@@fredericksaxton3991
It was actually the USS Salem, a heavy cruiser, that played the Graf Spee (it is in the credits of the film)
@ yes your right got a bit mixed up there but she was built at swan hunter with her sister ship HMS tiger the only two of their class built before the cruiser idea was scrapped by the Royal Navy along with battle ships
The music is giving off Star Trek vibes
Anyone visiting Edinburgh should take a look inside St Giles' Cathedral Hms Howe's Bell is on display there
Who cares about a bell?
@plenty Do.holdfast453
Great Mighty Ship
Two battleships I never knew existed!
While Anson and Howe were preeminent commanders in the history of the Royal Navy, I still prefer the original names of Beaty and Jellicoe... Wonderful ships both, and they feature 4 gun turrets fore and aft - a rare sight among Royal Navy battleships.
I'm surprised they felt the need to mention the diss of Beatty and Jellicoe I guess their reputations had kind of fallen a bit.
Well, it is hard to compare to the USN 16" Superheavy as it was only used seriously vs a major naval target once and that was a flimsy battlecruiser from WWI. But the Rodney and KGV at the final action vs Bismarck silenced the Bismarck in about 20 minuttes (21 IIRC and half the main battery was out in the very first minuttes). Some claim that Bismarck already was sinking when the torpedoes hit others that she was scuttled, but no matter what she had at that time ceased to be a fighting ship which is what it is all about and why Tovey chosed to go close. The protection scheme of Bismarck was optimised to protect the interrnals vs short range fire and that worked as intended, but still couldn't keep the ship in the fight for more than a few minuttes. You could call that bad design as you could about the SoDak who at Guudalcanal was de facto silenced by much lighter fire taking out all ther cabling and "eyes" (and the engineer shorcutting her power on top of that) and had it not been for the Washington showing up she probably would have been sunk (by torpedoes). BTW the 14" of DoY also worked fine vs Scharnhorst who had a protection scheme on par with Bismarck.
1:54
Originally to be called HMS Beatty, the hero of the the Kaiser’s High Seas Fleet? There was never a HMS Beatty.
Admiral Beatty!
Admiral Beatty!
Glad they didn't name it after that plonker
It was decided that because of the Jutland controversy they would be renamed
Why not name one ship after Beatty and the other after his flagg officer? Both are still in high regard in the german armed reconnaissance sqadron!
It isn’t comical, because they were good aircraft, but they comment on the spotting plane and off shoots a Shagbat (Walrus) and then the torpedo bomber is what appears to be an Applecore.
Good aircraft that looked so old and out of place.
And the only one of the kgvs that is mostly intact is the only one that was sunk…the Prince of Wales
Why were they renamed?
Even 20 years after the Battle of Jutland controversy raged on about British Admiral Jellicoe’s strategic and tactical decisions and the way he fought his fleet. Admiral Beatty always claimed he would have caused much more harm to the Imperial German High Seas Fleet, but never gave a satisfactory answer as to why he didn’t handle his battlecruisers more effectively.
For myself I believe that Beatty was the more aggressive of the two British Admirals but at times Beatty could be reckless. Every one of Jellicoe’s strategic decisions was correct, in my opinion, and I think his tactical decisions were correct as well. Perhaps not as tactically aggressive as Nelson’s decisions would have been but Jellicoe had to remember that he could not be defeated. The loss of the Royal Navy Grand Fleet was final, it could never be replaced fast enough. The British Blockade of Imperial Germany would disappear overnight and Germany would have access to the factories and mineral resources of North and South America. As long as the Royal Navy Blockade was in place time was on the side of Britain and France. Jellicoe was the only man on either side - Military or Civilian - who could lose the entire war in a single afternoon. Jellicoe fought not to win the Battle of Jutland, but to avoid losing it. I think Jellicoe did the right thing. Right now I am reading “Jutland: the Unfinished Battle” written by Jellicoe’s grandson, Nicholas Jellicoe.
That's more like it,when we ruled the waves and waived the rules!
Why were these renamed from planned Beattie & Jellico?
Absolutely, dumb not to keep at least 1 Battleship!!
it's seems odd to hear about a ship, named for a man-Adm Anson still being called 'she'
Leftover from when English had genders in the language. Other languages kept them. English lost them around Middle English.
The age of the battleship ended with the introduction of aircraft carriers face facts get over it.
Hms house
strangely ive never ever heard of these two ww2 battleships before .
They arrived quite late and didn't get a chance to do much.
They were there if needed. Strength in depth. @@Lee-u1f
Did they crew them with Islamists?
14 inch guns?...both of these ships were obsolete, before they were even launched,!!...I'm British by the way....just being honest
Because of treaty limits.
14inch was plenty good enough. Your thinking too much about the insane ships the Japanese and Germans were thinking up.
KG5 class focused on Armour not Armenent. HMS King George V could have smoked Bismarck by it's self.
Well my Grandfather was a gunners mate on the USS Massachusetts and they were doing shore bombardment at the end of the war with the British Pacific Fleet and the King George V and I think Anson was the second one but he said they were all in awe at the volume of fire the KGV’s were putting out something they couldn’t come close to matching on the Massachusetts.
Could use them in the channel to stop immigrants today.